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   3 2014-01-04 08:08:08 <sipa> gmaxwell: quite accurately :)
   4 2014-01-04 08:08:18 <sipa> netg: nodespy?
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   8 2014-01-04 08:11:43 <robonerd> the current xkcd, being careful to not forget the alt text, is sheer genius
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  14 2014-01-04 08:20:12 <netg> the programm/tool with that you generated that big bitcoind node list
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  16 2014-01-04 08:22:08 <sipa> netg: github.com/sipa/bitcoin-seeder
  17 2014-01-04 08:23:48 <netg> tnx
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  30 2014-01-04 08:35:04 <abrkn> i'm looking at the bitcoinjs-lib at npm, attempting to create a transaction that sweeps a list of inputs. anyone used it for that? not sure how to sign the tx with the corresponding private keys
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 410 2014-01-04 10:33:00 <wallet42> is it true there a hard limit of 21 million altcoins?
 411 2014-01-04 10:33:12 <sipa> lol
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 413 2014-01-04 10:34:27 <warren> wallet42: http://coingen.io/  pay only 0.01 BTC and find out!
 414 2014-01-04 10:35:04 <sipa> pay 210000 BTC, you mean
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 607 2014-01-04 14:07:40 <coldwall> I know that I can test the ability to deposit bitcoins into my cold wallets by.. well, sending some bitcoins and check the public key on blockchain.info. Is there a way to verify the integrity of the private key and the passphrase used to unlock it though?
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 611 2014-01-04 14:10:25 <netg> sign a message
 612 2014-01-04 14:15:27 <coldwall> netg: ?
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 614 2014-01-04 14:16:32 <coldwall> When I enter my private key and the BIP38 passphrase in "Wallet Details" section of bitaddress.org, it gives me to proper public key. I suppose that's enough verification?
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 626 2014-01-04 14:32:14 <tholenst> coldwall: what netg means is to do: bitcoin-cli signmessage <address> "This is a test message"
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 629 2014-01-04 14:32:47 <tholenst> This will make bitcoin sign the message "This is a test message", and you can verify the message using the RPC call "verifymessage" -- if you can sign messages, you can sign transactions later too
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 634 2014-01-04 14:34:01 <grau> !seen BlueMatt
 635 2014-01-04 14:34:01 <gribble> BlueMatt was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 16 hours, 3 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <BlueMatt> software can do anything!
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 645 2014-01-04 14:44:03 <heeventuli> hi guys! i just started reading some code and i have a question (i'm pretty sure its not a clever one :D): why does the GetValueIn method of a transaction return a int64? i would have expected a double. or _is_ a bitcoin a integer an the floating-point representation is just to make it more readable (meaning: i can transfer 0.5btc right?)
 646 2014-01-04 14:44:46 <jaakkos> heeventuli: bitcoin is integer-based, yes
 647 2014-01-04 14:44:55 <jaakkos> it would be a nightmare otherwise
 648 2014-01-04 14:45:02 <ZjP> heeventuli: Never use floating point for money.
 649 2014-01-04 14:45:05 <tholenst> You don't want to use floating point for money, you'd have to think a lot about rounding issues. Instead, you want to do exact computations. Thus, you use a small unit and do integer arithmetic.
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 652 2014-01-04 14:45:44 <heeventuli> ah, i see! :)
 653 2014-01-04 14:47:39 <coldwall> tholenst: Can I use bitcoind instead of bitcoin-cli?
 654 2014-01-04 14:50:14 <tholenst> yes
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 726 2014-01-04 16:29:39 <ldcicconi> does anyone here know what details bitpay requires from the vendor? I am to write an xml file with these requirements and I cannot seem to find it
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 795 2014-01-04 18:27:08 <lifeofcray> guys
 796 2014-01-04 18:28:02 <lifeofcray> say i have a wallet for an alt-coin, based on the bitcoind wallet, with this code in it: if (dAmount <= 0.0 || dAmount > 50000.0)
 797 2014-01-04 18:28:31 <lifeofcray> and i change it to 100000 or something and compile, will the wallet still work for that coin
 798 2014-01-04 18:28:36 <lifeofcray> or will it fork the coin?
 799 2014-01-04 18:29:46 <Luke-Jr> lifeofcray: off-topic here
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 801 2014-01-04 18:30:30 <lifeofcray> well, it's technically the bitcoin wallet
 802 2014-01-04 18:30:45 <lifeofcray> so say i want to compile a bitcoin wallet then
 803 2014-01-04 18:30:54 <lifeofcray> and add that coin, will the wallet work for bitcoin still?
 804 2014-01-04 18:31:05 <lifeofcray> add that line of code*
 805 2014-01-04 18:31:25 <lifeofcray> it's in src/bitcoinrpc.cpp
 806 2014-01-04 18:31:38 <lifeofcray> line 96
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 813 2014-01-04 18:36:45 <Luke-Jr> lifeofcray: bitcoinrpc.cpp does not exist
 814 2014-01-04 18:37:16 <Luke-Jr> I guess it does in 0.8.6, but not with that line
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 816 2014-01-04 18:42:03 <andytoshi> lifeofcray: also, if you don't understand your code on this level, you should -not- be screwing around with cryptographic software
 817 2014-01-04 18:42:58 <lifeofcray> not my code
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 904 2014-01-04 20:57:38 <Apocalyptic> <ryazi> litecoin devs help bitcoin devs a lot // they do ?
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 906 2014-01-04 21:00:35 <sipa> they sometimes implement some experimental things earlier
 907 2014-01-04 21:01:34 <warren> I wouldn't call it a lot.
 908 2014-01-04 21:01:48 <warren> we break ourselves sometimes
 909 2014-01-04 21:03:07 <Luke-Jr> only because warren is a litecoin dev <.<
 910 2014-01-04 21:03:16 <Luke-Jr> if he wasn't, it'd be pretty much zero
 911 2014-01-04 21:03:36 <Luke-Jr> so it's more fair to say *warren* helps bitcoin devs a lot
 912 2014-01-04 21:03:44 <Luke-Jr> but then I'd argue warren is also a bitcoin dev ;)
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 914 2014-01-04 21:03:59 <Luke-Jr> so then we get "warren is a bitcoin dev" which isn't saying much! :P
 915 2014-01-04 21:04:23 <warren> warren helps warren
 916 2014-01-04 21:04:29 <warren> there?
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 941 2014-01-04 21:37:09 <jcorgan> anyone familiar with BIP0032 internals? I'm creating an implementation and have run into some challenges.
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 943 2014-01-04 21:39:08 <shesek> jcorgan, it would be easier if you just ask a question
 944 2014-01-04 21:40:35 <jcorgan> i have master key generation and CKD subkey generation working, as verified by those portions of the test vectors
 945 2014-01-04 21:41:32 <jcorgan> but i'm having trouble getting CKD' right
 946 2014-01-04 21:42:29 <jcorgan> i think that m/0' means to apply CKD'(0) to the master key's secret and chain code
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 949 2014-01-04 21:42:57 <jcorgan> but CKD' returns a pubkey and chain code, while the test vector has a secret key shown
 950 2014-01-04 21:43:17 <jcorgan> the pycoin implementation gets this correct
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 952 2014-01-04 21:43:44 <jcorgan> but when i look at the code there, it doesn't look like it is doing CKD', but a variant of CKD
 953 2014-01-04 21:43:54 <jcorgan> so I'm sort of confused :)
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 956 2014-01-04 21:46:47 <jcorgan> unfortunately, the pycoin implementation combines CKD and CKD' into a common function with argument flags for 'is_prime' and 'is_private'
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 961 2014-01-04 21:48:27 <jcorgan> in pycoin, to get the correct test vector output for test vector 1, chain m0', you create a master node with the proper entropy, then call subkey(0, is_prime=True, as_private=True)
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 964 2014-01-04 21:50:18 <jcorgan> but internally it is creating the chain HMAC input out of '\0' || secret_key || i, which is actualy the chain HMAC input function from CKD
 965 2014-01-04 21:51:08 <sipa> jcorgan: there are 2 keys, and 2 derivations, and 2 modes of derivation
 966 2014-01-04 21:51:24 <sipa> jcorgan: the terminology is confusiong, but i haven't come up with better names yet
 967 2014-01-04 21:51:24 <jcorgan> yeah, the 'matrix' is confusing
 968 2014-01-04 21:52:00 <sipa> with CKD you go private->private, and it can be applied both with normal and prime indices
 969 2014-01-04 21:52:03 <jcorgan> well, the good news is that i do have some of it implemented and working
 970 2014-01-04 21:52:20 <sipa> with CKD' you go public->public, and it can be applied only on non-prime indices
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 972 2014-01-04 21:52:54 <sipa> so if you have a private key, and you want a derivated public key from it, you apply CKD, and just compute the public key corresponding to the obtained private key
 973 2014-01-04 21:53:05 <sipa> wait
 974 2014-01-04 21:53:49 <sipa> yes!
 975 2014-01-04 21:54:01 <jcorgan> o_O?
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 978 2014-01-04 21:57:15 <sipa> jcorgan: what isn't clear?
 979 2014-01-04 21:57:28 <jcorgan> ok, my first misconception i think is the meaning of ' in the index
 980 2014-01-04 21:57:46 <jcorgan> i have master key m, with a secret_key and chain_code
 981 2014-01-04 21:57:54 <sipa> ' is just a short notation for "+ 0x8000000"
 982 2014-01-04 21:57:59 <jcorgan> what do I call to get the test vector output m/0'
 983 2014-01-04 21:58:07 <jcorgan> oh fuck
 984 2014-01-04 21:58:43 <sipa> you apply the CKD to the (secret_key, chain_code)
 985 2014-01-04 21:58:52 <jcorgan> so m/0' comes from CKD(0 + 0x80000000) ?
 986 2014-01-04 21:59:14 <sipa> well m is the master seed
 987 2014-01-04 21:59:17 <jcorgan> yes
 988 2014-01-04 21:59:26 <sipa> you first need to convert that to a key/chaincode pair
 989 2014-01-04 21:59:37 <jcorgan> CKD(m.secret_key, m.chain_code, 0+0x80000000)
 990 2014-01-04 21:59:43 <sipa> yes
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 993 2014-01-04 22:00:05 <sipa> that gives you the secret key and chaincode corresponding to m/0'
 994 2014-01-04 22:00:10 <jcorgan> ok, well, my CKD is working, so I'll try that.  My major malfunction was thinking m/0' meant call CKD'(0)
 995 2014-01-04 22:00:17 <sipa> ah!
 996 2014-01-04 22:00:33 <sipa> yeah, that sounds like a very reasonable assumltion
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1000 2014-01-04 22:04:12 <jcorgan> (redoing some stuff and testing)
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1007 2014-01-04 22:13:43 <jcorgan> does i retain the high bit set when concatenated to the data going into the HMAC?
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1009 2014-01-04 22:14:16 <jcorgan> or is it just a flag that should be masked off
1010 2014-01-04 22:14:23 <sipa> you retain it
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1016 2014-01-04 22:17:23 <jcorgan> win
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1018 2014-01-04 22:18:46 <jcorgan> ok, test vector 1 chains m, m/0' and test vector 2 chains m, m/0 pass
1019 2014-01-04 22:19:09 <jcorgan> thanks for the clarifications
1020 2014-01-04 22:19:12 <sipa> yw
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1022 2014-01-04 22:19:44 <sipa> suggestions for how to clarify in the bip are welcome
1023 2014-01-04 22:20:20 <jcorgan> there are a lot of things i'd change, but until I get all the test vectors to pass, i don't really think i'm qualified :)
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1027 2014-01-04 22:35:29 <jcorgan> all of test vector 1 passes
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1039 2014-01-04 22:46:11 <jcorgan> and all of test vector 2 passes
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1041 2014-01-04 22:46:30 <jcorgan> but there are no test vectors that exercise CKD'
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1099 2014-01-04 23:59:36 <nsh> http://pastebin.com/EzGqVr0A segfault in bitcoin-qt reported by azi' in #bitcoin