1 2014-01-19 00:11:32 daktak has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
   2 2014-01-19 00:11:50 phillipsjk has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
   3 2014-01-19 00:12:40 phillipsjk has joined
   4 2014-01-19 00:12:59 daktak has joined
   5 2014-01-19 00:13:36 wallet42 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
   6 2014-01-19 00:14:24 loeken has joined
   7 2014-01-19 00:15:21 daybyter has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
   8 2014-01-19 00:18:03 loeken- has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
   9 2014-01-19 00:18:22 eoss has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
  10 2014-01-19 00:19:22 wallet42 has joined
  11 2014-01-19 00:22:00 rdymac has quit (Excess Flood)
  12 2014-01-19 00:24:09 rdymac has joined
  13 2014-01-19 00:25:55 hmsimha has joined
  14 2014-01-19 00:28:34 Subo1977_ has joined
  15 2014-01-19 00:28:58 Subo1977 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  16 2014-01-19 00:31:51 neozonz has quit (Disconnected by services)
  17 2014-01-19 00:31:56 Neozonz is now known as Discx2!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|Neozonz
  18 2014-01-19 00:37:49 brisque has joined
  19 2014-01-19 00:38:57 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  20 2014-01-19 00:40:35 debiantoruser has joined
  21 2014-01-19 00:44:35 <tigereye> for the first time in months my bitcoind node seems to be running out of connections frequently
  22 2014-01-19 00:44:43 <tigereye> it's happened 6 times in the last 2:30
  23 2014-01-19 00:44:50 <brisque> running out of them?
  24 2014-01-19 00:45:00 <brisque> hitting the default limit?
  25 2014-01-19 00:45:15 <tigereye> well, I run p2pool, and p2pool has reported that it's lost connection to bitcoind. Yes, hitting the _raised_ limit that I configured long ago
  26 2014-01-19 00:45:40 <tigereye> sure enough, when I "bitcoind getinfo" I have a tough time connecting to it in order to retrieve info from the commandline
  27 2014-01-19 00:46:03 <brisque> RPC is on a different port and isn't limited though
  28 2014-01-19 00:46:07 <lechuga__> what OS
  29 2014-01-19 00:46:16 <tigereye> slackware/linux
  30 2014-01-19 00:46:21 <brisque> even if you max out your peers RPC will still be chugging along happily.
  31 2014-01-19 00:46:46 <tigereye> well <shrug> p2pool reports bitcoind connectivity problems for the first time in 6 months
  32 2014-01-19 00:47:00 <tigereye> I figured I'd mention it in case others have started seeing it today too
  33 2014-01-19 00:47:12 <tigereye> i realize this may be p2pool, or may be othe rlocalized reasons.
  34 2014-01-19 00:47:25 <tigereye> I just awnted to mention it in case others suddenly saw it too.
  35 2014-01-19 00:48:52 <brisque> raise the number of RPC threads maybe? I'm taking a stab in the dark, not something I've had issues with.
  36 2014-01-19 00:49:22 nomailing has quit (Quit: nomailing)
  37 2014-01-19 00:49:33 SwampTony has joined
  38 2014-01-19 00:50:07 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  39 2014-01-19 00:51:32 debiantoruser has joined
  40 2014-01-19 00:51:49 <tigereye> I'm giving it the ol' Rule#1 in tech support
  41 2014-01-19 00:51:54 <tigereye> "Have you tried turning it off and on?"
  42 2014-01-19 00:52:50 <tigereye> P2Pool shows fancy graphs for various metrics, and the graph for bitcoind latency definitely shows giant spikes of 14s+ on 5 occasions in the last ~3hrs
  43 2014-01-19 00:52:50 linagee has joined
  44 2014-01-19 00:53:16 <tigereye> Not sure what's making bitcoind lag so suddenly this evening but hopefully a reboot will fix it.
  45 2014-01-19 00:53:57 <sipa> if you restart bitcoind, does the problem go away (temporarily) ?
  46 2014-01-19 00:54:04 <tigereye> just did. Will see.
  47 2014-01-19 00:54:11 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  48 2014-01-19 00:55:20 <tigereye> I do know that bitcoind/p2pool configuration haven't been altered in the last 5 months this node has been running, and these symptoms have never been seen before tonight. 5 instances in the last 3 hours has peaked my interest.
  49 2014-01-19 00:55:49 <CodeShark> you mean piqued :p
  50 2014-01-19 00:56:03 <tigereye> I do :) thx
  51 2014-01-19 00:56:34 <tigereye> I can share the graphs that show the behaviour upon request.
  52 2014-01-19 00:56:57 <brisque> tigereye: #p2pool or forre`stv could be of more use.
  53 2014-01-19 01:00:24 soylentbomb has quit (Quit: leaving)
  54 2014-01-19 01:02:02 Blackreign has quit ()
  55 2014-01-19 01:06:35 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  56 2014-01-19 01:08:07 debiantoruser has joined
  57 2014-01-19 01:09:13 <lechuga__> anyone know avg txn propagation time?
  58 2014-01-19 01:09:32 macboz has joined
  59 2014-01-19 01:09:32 Guest30169 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  60 2014-01-19 01:09:48 <brisque> lechuga__: http://bitcoinstats.com/network/propagation/
  61 2014-01-19 01:10:24 <lechuga__> ty
  62 2014-01-19 01:12:44 rdymac has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  63 2014-01-19 01:16:39 rdymac has joined
  64 2014-01-19 01:18:06 mrkent has joined
  65 2014-01-19 01:19:33 <jgarzik> Goonie, I'm happy to entertain BitPay complaints -- please do! -- but not on this channel.  #bitcoin is fine
  66 2014-01-19 01:20:19 johnsoft has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  67 2014-01-19 01:21:07 johnsoft has joined
  68 2014-01-19 01:22:19 Application has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  69 2014-01-19 01:22:46 mrkent has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
  70 2014-01-19 01:23:01 Ursium has joined
  71 2014-01-19 01:24:12 Ursium_ has joined
  72 2014-01-19 01:27:05 Cory has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  73 2014-01-19 01:27:40 vespaper has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)
  74 2014-01-19 01:28:03 vespaper has joined
  75 2014-01-19 01:28:23 Ursium has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  76 2014-01-19 01:29:01 Cory has joined
  77 2014-01-19 01:29:23 <sipa> ;;nethash
  78 2014-01-19 01:29:24 <gribble> 15208047.5479
  79 2014-01-19 01:32:21 <lechuga__> does any1 have any guess what coinbase does for off-the-blockchain txns
  80 2014-01-19 01:32:56 <brisque> a database with balances for each user?
  81 2014-01-19 01:33:31 <brisque> not particularly complex, just a lot of checks and balances to make sure you don't end up with people having the wrong balances when there's networking or database issues.
  82 2014-01-19 01:33:53 <lechuga__> yeah makes sense
  83 2014-01-19 01:34:17 <lechuga__> i wonder how likely an inter-ledger protocol would be
  84 2014-01-19 01:34:39 <lechuga__> so coinbase-like entities can enable cross-domain micropayments
  85 2014-01-19 01:34:50 <brisque> that requires trust.
  86 2014-01-19 01:34:54 <lechuga__> yeah
  87 2014-01-19 01:35:02 <lechuga__> that seems to be the biggest issue
  88 2014-01-19 01:35:27 <brisque> you invariably end up with parties not having a consensus and then the trust is broken. that's what the design of bitcoin is trying to avoid.
  89 2014-01-19 01:35:38 bbdud3 has joined
  90 2014-01-19 01:36:04 <lechuga__> so then is the real micropayment solution an optimized blockchain?
  91 2014-01-19 01:36:23 <brisque> ;;bc,wiki scalability
  92 2014-01-19 01:36:24 <gribble> http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Scalability | Jul 6, 2013 ... 1 Scalability targets; 2 Current bottlenecks; 3 CPU; 4 Network; 5 Storage; 6 Optimizations. 6.1 CPU; 6.2 Simplified payment verification.
  93 2014-01-19 01:36:34 <lechuga__> yeah ive seen that site
  94 2014-01-19 01:36:45 <lechuga__> but no1 even does micropayments right now
  95 2014-01-19 01:36:51 <lechuga__> so u cant compare it to existing load
  96 2014-01-19 01:36:57 <brisque> bitcoin isn't really designed for them.
  97 2014-01-19 01:37:06 <lechuga__> well right but could it be throug optimization
  98 2014-01-19 01:37:14 <lechuga__> through*
  99 2014-01-19 01:37:31 CheckDavid has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 100 2014-01-19 01:37:52 <brisque> this is likely off topic for #bitcoin-dev, but I don't see it being friendly for micropayments any time in the near future. see "dust transactions".
 101 2014-01-19 01:38:07 <lechuga__> tru re: offtopic
 102 2014-01-19 01:38:13 <maaku> sipa: we had a discussion about changing to XBT on the developer list, and IIRC there was some concensus about 1 XBT = 1 uBTC, but no one actually made a pull request
 103 2014-01-19 01:38:17 copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 104 2014-01-19 01:38:31 <sipa> maaku: first thing i heard about it
 105 2014-01-19 01:38:41 bbdude has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 106 2014-01-19 01:40:18 copumpkin has joined
 107 2014-01-19 01:41:31 <maaku> sipa: 14 Nov "moving the default display to mbtc"
 108 2014-01-19 01:42:24 <sipa> right, i remember that discussion
 109 2014-01-19 01:43:07 da2ce7 has joined
 110 2014-01-19 01:44:01 <brisque> there's lots of drivel on bitcointalk about wanting to move to "new BTC" by redefining the value. as if Bitcoin wasn't already confusing enough.
 111 2014-01-19 01:45:23 <maaku> brisque: that's essentially the heart of the matter.  "new BTC" / XBT is better than redefining the symbol
 112 2014-01-19 01:45:49 <brisque> why do you even want that?
 113 2014-01-19 01:46:50 johnsoft has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
 114 2014-01-19 01:47:37 johnsoft has joined
 115 2014-01-19 01:47:45 mattco has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 116 2014-01-19 01:49:12 Spiralmind has joined
 117 2014-01-19 01:49:39 t2che has joined
 118 2014-01-19 01:49:55 MoALTz__ has joined
 119 2014-01-19 01:50:05 SwampTony has joined
 120 2014-01-19 01:50:15 paxtoncamaro91 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 121 2014-01-19 01:50:25 jeewee1 has joined
 122 2014-01-19 01:50:46 pecket has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 123 2014-01-19 01:50:53 Count_Niedar has joined
 124 2014-01-19 01:50:53 jeewee has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 125 2014-01-19 01:50:53 digitalmagus has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 126 2014-01-19 01:50:53 Spiralvortex has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 127 2014-01-19 01:51:10 paxtoncamaro91 has joined
 128 2014-01-19 01:51:21 tsche has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 129 2014-01-19 01:51:22 pecket has joined
 130 2014-01-19 01:51:41 <scoofy> actually most of altcoins are 'new BTC' redefining the value, in terms of relative to BTC
 131 2014-01-19 01:51:42 mattco has joined
 132 2014-01-19 01:51:42 digitalmagus has joined
 133 2014-01-19 01:51:42 digitalmagus has quit (Changing host)
 134 2014-01-19 01:51:42 digitalmagus has joined
 135 2014-01-19 01:51:49 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 136 2014-01-19 01:51:50 wizkid057 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 137 2014-01-19 01:52:17 gfawkes_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 138 2014-01-19 01:52:17 stretchwarren has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 139 2014-01-19 01:52:27 nickler has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 140 2014-01-19 01:52:40 <scoofy> well that's not a fixed ratio, but their value can vary widely
 141 2014-01-19 01:52:45 Niedar has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 142 2014-01-19 01:52:45 MoALTz_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 143 2014-01-19 01:52:57 stretchwarren has joined
 144 2014-01-19 01:53:03 wizkid057 has joined
 145 2014-01-19 01:53:40 debiantoruser has joined
 146 2014-01-19 01:54:41 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 147 2014-01-19 01:56:17 greenspa has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 148 2014-01-19 01:56:21 sacrelege has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 149 2014-01-19 01:57:09 greenspa has joined
 150 2014-01-19 01:57:13 Snacks__ has joined
 151 2014-01-19 01:57:26 Snacks__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 152 2014-01-19 01:58:38 dansmith_btc has quit (Quit: I'm using a Free IRC Bouncer from BNC4FREE - http://bnc4free.com/)
 153 2014-01-19 02:00:27 Snacks_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 154 2014-01-19 02:01:36 dansmith has joined
 155 2014-01-19 02:02:50 <Luke-Jr> scoofy: TBC is fixed ratio :P
 156 2014-01-19 02:02:52 <maaku> scoofy: the precient is the history of many fiat currencies
 157 2014-01-19 02:03:08 <maaku> e.g. Taiwan Dollar -> New Taiwan Dollar which dropped some zeros
 158 2014-01-19 02:03:21 <maaku> although in this case deflationary instead of inflationary
 159 2014-01-19 02:03:58 <jcorgan> maaku: hmm, interesting way to think about it
 160 2014-01-19 02:04:49 <brisque> the thing is, if you change the meaning of BTC you needlessly confuse things.
 161 2014-01-19 02:05:21 <brisque> if your excuse is that people don't understand bitcoin is divisible, maybe that needs to be made more apparent in introduction material.
 162 2014-01-19 02:05:47 hmsimha has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 163 2014-01-19 02:07:12 <jcorgan> I don't think it really the issue that people don't know that bitcoin is divisible (but there are some), its the difficult people seem to have with lots of zeros after the decimal point
 164 2014-01-19 02:07:26 Gene303 has joined
 165 2014-01-19 02:07:36 Gene303 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 166 2014-01-19 02:07:52 <jcorgan> so introducing a new currency symbol and making it equate to a small division of BTC would fix that
 167 2014-01-19 02:07:53 <brisque> so use milibitcoin.
 168 2014-01-19 02:08:25 <brisque> the only people that care about the currency symbol are traders, who really should be able to handle decimal places. their job revolves around it.
 169 2014-01-19 02:09:20 <jcorgan> someone (don't remember who) proposed going through ISO standardization on XBT, and setting it to a 100 satoshis, which would solve two problems at once
 170 2014-01-19 02:09:44 <jcorgan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_4217
 171 2014-01-19 02:10:25 <jcorgan> getting an officiall recognized currency symbol, and helping people by putting the zeros to the left of the decimal point
 172 2014-01-19 02:12:51 btclovernick has joined
 173 2014-01-19 02:13:30 breesy has joined
 174 2014-01-19 02:18:26 meangene has joined
 175 2014-01-19 02:19:40 meangene has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 176 2014-01-19 02:19:55 genegenegene has joined
 177 2014-01-19 02:22:03 dansmith has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 178 2014-01-19 02:23:15 Guyver2 has quit (Quit: :))
 179 2014-01-19 02:23:23 <scoofy> why would that help
 180 2014-01-19 02:23:36 Snacks_ has joined
 181 2014-01-19 02:23:47 <sipa> human behavior
 182 2014-01-19 02:24:40 wallet421 has joined
 183 2014-01-19 02:24:40 wallet42 has quit (Killed (holmes.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)))
 184 2014-01-19 02:24:40 wallet421 is now known as wallet42
 185 2014-01-19 02:25:20 hmsimha has joined
 186 2014-01-19 02:25:39 <scoofy> so people would say 1 dollar is worth 8000000000 XBT
 187 2014-01-19 02:25:56 <scoofy> or something like that, right?
 188 2014-01-19 02:27:00 dansmith has joined
 189 2014-01-19 02:27:43 Snacks_ has quit (Client Quit)
 190 2014-01-19 02:28:10 <scoofy> 1 sathoshi is 1e-8 BTC, or so 100 satohshi is 1e-6 BTC, or $0.0008
 191 2014-01-19 02:28:32 <scoofy> so 1 dollar would worth 1250 XTB
 192 2014-01-19 02:28:49 <scoofy> and 1000 dollar = 1250000 XBT
 193 2014-01-19 02:29:13 <scoofy> how is that better than writing: 1000 dollar = 1.25 BTC
 194 2014-01-19 02:29:32 <scoofy> s/XTB/XBT
 195 2014-01-19 02:29:37 jtimon has joined
 196 2014-01-19 02:30:16 <scoofy> you either add 3 zeros, or remove 3 zeros...
 197 2014-01-19 02:31:05 genegenegene has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 198 2014-01-19 02:31:29 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 199 2014-01-19 02:32:59 <scoofy> anyways i somewhat like the idea of mBTC, because that roughly equals one dollar
 200 2014-01-19 02:33:03 debiantoruser has joined
 201 2014-01-19 02:33:08 <sipa> for now
 202 2014-01-19 02:33:26 <scoofy> yep. if BTC goes up to $100,000, then it won't be true
 203 2014-01-19 02:33:40 <sipa> or if it crashes to $1 again
 204 2014-01-19 02:33:49 <scoofy> if it drops to $10, it won't be true either
 205 2014-01-19 02:34:27 <scoofy> so it's impossible to find a value representation that stays constant with wide value fluctiations...
 206 2014-01-19 02:34:41 <scoofy> you can go some orders of magnitude up, or down
 207 2014-01-19 02:34:52 <scoofy> in any case (with XBT too)
 208 2014-01-19 02:35:25 Snacks_ has joined
 209 2014-01-19 02:35:29 Denim-jdev has joined
 210 2014-01-19 02:38:07 uiop has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 211 2014-01-19 02:39:35 <scoofy> if btc crashes to $1, and XBT = 100 satoshi, then 1 XBT will worth 0.000001 USD
 212 2014-01-19 02:39:52 <scoofy> and 1 USD will worth 1000000 XBT
 213 2014-01-19 02:39:56 roconnor has joined
 214 2014-01-19 02:42:55 uiop has joined
 215 2014-01-19 02:45:59 sensorii has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 216 2014-01-19 02:47:26 sensorii has joined
 217 2014-01-19 02:47:59 guruvan has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 218 2014-01-19 02:48:27 guruvan has joined
 219 2014-01-19 02:50:30 fanquake has joined
 220 2014-01-19 02:50:50 SwampTony has joined
 221 2014-01-19 02:55:33 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 222 2014-01-19 03:00:21 Drenllateno has joined
 223 2014-01-19 03:02:36 [\\\] has joined
 224 2014-01-19 03:04:23 btclovernick has quit (Quit: btclovernick)
 225 2014-01-19 03:05:11 Diablo-D3 has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
 226 2014-01-19 03:13:31 <midnightmagic> it would be amusing to officially move the decimal place and see how the market reacts.
 227 2014-01-19 03:13:49 <midnightmagic> watch it climb to $1 parity again. lol
 228 2014-01-19 03:14:09 <jgarzik> heh
 229 2014-01-19 03:14:20 troj has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 230 2014-01-19 03:14:43 troj has joined
 231 2014-01-19 03:15:33 <Luke-Jr> midnightmagic: "officially"?
 232 2014-01-19 03:16:23 <brisque> moving the decimal place would just confuse everybody and break the conventions we have in place. if the unit can move, why not change the coin cap, make mining easier?
 233 2014-01-19 03:16:25 <midnightmagic> yeah just slip it into the reference client. move it 3 spots to the right, so 1 "btc" is now 10e5 satoshis.
 234 2014-01-19 03:17:16 <midnightmagic> brisque: Because the decimal place is just a constant. everything is a psychological barrier: what happens when people realise it's been simple human perception right from the start?
 235 2014-01-19 03:17:59 <Luke-Jr> midnightmagic: the reference client already supports mBTC
 236 2014-01-19 03:18:32 hydrogenesis has joined
 237 2014-01-19 03:18:38 sacrelege has joined
 238 2014-01-19 03:19:01 <jcorgan> if we came out with XBT = 100 Satoshis, people could use either XBT or BTC as needed
 239 2014-01-19 03:19:07 dkog has joined
 240 2014-01-19 03:20:07 sacrelege has quit (Client Quit)
 241 2014-01-19 03:20:48 <midnightmagic> Luke-Jr: You mean by fiddling with COIN and CENT in util.h ?
 242 2014-01-19 03:21:05 <midnightmagic> or is there a switch now for mbtc display that I've missed?
 243 2014-01-19 03:21:13 <Luke-Jr> midnightmagic: no, I mean Settings->Options
 244 2014-01-19 03:21:22 <Luke-Jr> Display->Unit to show amounts in: mBTC
 245 2014-01-19 03:21:29 <midnightmagic> ah, you're in the qt client.
 246 2014-01-19 03:21:31 <Luke-Jr> been there since 0.5 I'm pretty sure
 247 2014-01-19 03:21:38 <Luke-Jr> midnightmagic: yes, the reference client..
 248 2014-01-19 03:21:55 ericmuyser has joined
 249 2014-01-19 03:21:59 <midnightmagic> not the reference client i'm using. :)
 250 2014-01-19 03:22:11 zeiris has joined
 251 2014-01-19 03:22:12 <Luke-Jr> midnightmagic: bitcoind is not intended for human use in the first place.
 252 2014-01-19 03:22:24 <Luke-Jr> midnightmagic: the only reason it doesn't count amounts in satoshis is for backward compatibility
 253 2014-01-19 03:22:46 <midnightmagic> :-P I don't consider the GUI to be human-usable, personally.
 254 2014-01-19 03:22:56 <Luke-Jr> midnightmagic: when was the last time you tried it? :P
 255 2014-01-19 03:23:43 <brisque> https://github.com/chjj/termcoin this is a nice replacement for the QT GUI.
 256 2014-01-19 03:24:05 <midnightmagic> I'm not interested in running X infrastructure on top of everything I already do.
 257 2014-01-19 03:24:07 <Luke-Jr> wow, ASCII art QR codes?
 258 2014-01-19 03:24:16 <Luke-Jr> midnightmagic: Bitcoin-Qt *should* work without X
 259 2014-01-19 03:24:32 <brisque> Luke-Jr: heh, yeah, you can make them with the 'qrencode' package too.
 260 2014-01-19 03:24:36 <midnightmagic> wouldn't that defeat the purpose of using it rather than just bitcoind?
 261 2014-01-19 03:24:46 <Luke-Jr> midnightmagic: no?
 262 2014-01-19 03:24:52 <Luke-Jr> midnightmagic: Bitcoin-Qt is far more functional
 263 2014-01-19 03:25:29 <midnightmagic> You trust QT more than I do.
 264 2014-01-19 03:25:52 <Luke-Jr> what's to trust? it's just a programming language.
 265 2014-01-19 03:26:16 <midnightmagic> My employer has discovered crash bugs in the QT toolkit that took trolltech like 9 months to commit fixes for.
 266 2014-01-19 03:26:31 <brisque> crashes aren't security issues though
 267 2014-01-19 03:26:38 <brisque> annoying at best
 268 2014-01-19 03:27:12 <midnightmagic> mm..  depends on the crash. I'm confident the ones we found could have been security issues depending on how the clients used the broken functions.
 269 2014-01-19 03:28:29 <midnightmagic> Luke-Jr: How does one run bitcoin-qt without some kind of X infrastructure as a display server?
 270 2014-01-19 03:28:57 <Luke-Jr> Windows
 271 2014-01-19 03:28:59 <Luke-Jr> </troll>
 272 2014-01-19 03:29:08 <midnightmagic> lol turkey
 273 2014-01-19 03:29:11 <Luke-Jr> more seriously, http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qt-embedded-linux.html
 274 2014-01-19 03:30:29 <Luke-Jr> there's also the Wayland port
 275 2014-01-19 03:30:48 wei__ has joined
 276 2014-01-19 03:37:46 johnsoft has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 277 2014-01-19 03:38:46 johnsoft has joined
 278 2014-01-19 03:39:19 Tinku99 has joined
 279 2014-01-19 03:40:50 wei__ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 280 2014-01-19 03:44:07 Tinku99 has quit (Client Quit)
 281 2014-01-19 03:47:09 drayah has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 282 2014-01-19 03:47:46 drayah has joined
 283 2014-01-19 03:50:42 smash_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 284 2014-01-19 03:51:14 smash_ has joined
 285 2014-01-19 03:51:38 SwampTony has joined
 286 2014-01-19 03:52:01 drayah has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 287 2014-01-19 03:52:59 wei__ has joined
 288 2014-01-19 03:53:56 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 289 2014-01-19 03:55:16 debiantoruser has joined
 290 2014-01-19 03:56:19 smash_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 291 2014-01-19 03:56:19 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 292 2014-01-19 03:57:37 MoALTz__ has quit (Quit: brb)
 293 2014-01-19 03:57:56 MoALTz has joined
 294 2014-01-19 03:58:01 smash_ has joined
 295 2014-01-19 03:58:30 elgrecoFL has quit (Excess Flood)
 296 2014-01-19 03:59:36 elgrecoFL has joined
 297 2014-01-19 04:01:23 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 298 2014-01-19 04:01:35 b4epoche_ has joined
 299 2014-01-19 04:03:08 debiantoruser has joined
 300 2014-01-19 04:03:33 melvster has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 301 2014-01-19 04:04:51 b4epoche has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 302 2014-01-19 04:05:14 paxtoncamaro91 has quit (Quit: For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain.)
 303 2014-01-19 04:05:28 elgrecoFL has quit (Excess Flood)
 304 2014-01-19 04:06:12 Application has joined
 305 2014-01-19 04:06:48 pooler has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
 306 2014-01-19 04:08:35 elgrecoFL has joined
 307 2014-01-19 04:08:43 wei__ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 308 2014-01-19 04:08:58 justanotheruser has joined
 309 2014-01-19 04:09:27 brson has quit (Quit: leaving)
 310 2014-01-19 04:09:35 Cryo has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 311 2014-01-19 04:09:53 <justanotheruser> For programs that involve creating and looking at bitcoin wallets and transactions do developers usually use a library, a modified satoshi client, or a satoshi client with API calls being made from the program?
 312 2014-01-19 04:11:21 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
 313 2014-01-19 04:11:54 Subo1977 has joined
 314 2014-01-19 04:12:07 mynameis has joined
 315 2014-01-19 04:12:39 Subo1977_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 316 2014-01-19 04:12:58 debiantoruser has joined
 317 2014-01-19 04:14:15 Cryo has joined
 318 2014-01-19 04:14:15 Cryo has quit (Changing host)
 319 2014-01-19 04:14:15 Cryo has joined
 320 2014-01-19 04:14:20 <scoofy> QT doesn't need X. runs fine on Windows
 321 2014-01-19 04:14:37 <brisque> and OSX, which doesn't have X either
 322 2014-01-19 04:15:03 justanotheruser has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 323 2014-01-19 04:23:26 dmanderson_jump is now known as dmanderson
 324 2014-01-19 04:27:32 jtcwang has joined
 325 2014-01-19 04:28:22 gfawkes__ has joined
 326 2014-01-19 04:29:07 andytoshi has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2)
 327 2014-01-19 04:32:44 smash_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 328 2014-01-19 04:35:02 hydrogenesis has quit (Quit: hydrogenesis)
 329 2014-01-19 04:39:01 macboz_ has joined
 330 2014-01-19 04:40:51 Eiii has joined
 331 2014-01-19 04:41:49 macboz has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 332 2014-01-19 04:42:32 Eiii has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 333 2014-01-19 04:46:22 jtcwang has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 334 2014-01-19 04:48:04 bbdud3 has left ()
 335 2014-01-19 04:48:07 rasengan has left ("WeeChat 0.3.7")
 336 2014-01-19 04:48:08 bbdud3 has joined
 337 2014-01-19 04:48:15 bbdud3 has left ()
 338 2014-01-19 04:48:23 syncoherent has joined
 339 2014-01-19 04:49:41 mynameis has quit (Quit: mynameis)
 340 2014-01-19 04:51:15 sassamo has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 341 2014-01-19 04:51:45 sassamo has joined
 342 2014-01-19 04:52:02 SwampTony has joined
 343 2014-01-19 04:56:33 sassamo has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)
 344 2014-01-19 04:56:59 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 345 2014-01-19 04:57:32 nanotube has quit (Quit: Something is wrong...)
 346 2014-01-19 04:58:24 nanotube has joined
 347 2014-01-19 04:59:51 roconnor has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 348 2014-01-19 05:04:34 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 349 2014-01-19 05:05:29 TheSeven has quit (Disconnected by services)
 350 2014-01-19 05:05:30 debiantoruser has joined
 351 2014-01-19 05:05:41 [7] has joined
 352 2014-01-19 05:06:04 jtcwang has joined
 353 2014-01-19 05:19:28 nessence has joined
 354 2014-01-19 05:21:45 macboz_ has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 355 2014-01-19 05:22:14 sassamo has joined
 356 2014-01-19 05:22:39 macboz has joined
 357 2014-01-19 05:23:46 da2ce7 has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
 358 2014-01-19 05:24:47 Denim-jdev has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 359 2014-01-19 05:24:54 roconnor has joined
 360 2014-01-19 05:30:25 zcopley has joined
 361 2014-01-19 05:30:39 sassamo has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 362 2014-01-19 05:33:07 digitalmagus2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 363 2014-01-19 05:33:29 digitalmagus2 has joined
 364 2014-01-19 05:35:27 Diablo-D3 has joined
 365 2014-01-19 05:37:17 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 366 2014-01-19 05:38:43 debiantoruser has joined
 367 2014-01-19 05:43:43 digitalmagus3 has joined
 368 2014-01-19 05:44:57 uiop has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 369 2014-01-19 05:45:05 digitalmagus2 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 370 2014-01-19 05:45:15 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 371 2014-01-19 05:46:39 debiantoruser has joined
 372 2014-01-19 05:47:05 smash_ has joined
 373 2014-01-19 05:51:57 smash_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 374 2014-01-19 05:53:13 SwampTony has joined
 375 2014-01-19 05:54:29 elgrecoFL has quit (Excess Flood)
 376 2014-01-19 05:56:36 elgrecoFL has joined
 377 2014-01-19 05:58:09 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 378 2014-01-19 05:58:52 dansmith has quit (Changing host)
 379 2014-01-19 05:58:52 dansmith has joined
 380 2014-01-19 05:59:08 andyo has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 381 2014-01-19 06:00:32 smash_ has joined
 382 2014-01-19 06:01:38 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 383 2014-01-19 06:03:15 uiop has joined
 384 2014-01-19 06:04:06 andyo has joined
 385 2014-01-19 06:07:21 gribble has quit (Quit: brb)
 386 2014-01-19 06:07:23 Raziel has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 387 2014-01-19 06:07:50 stretchwarren has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
 388 2014-01-19 06:10:45 debiantoruser has joined
 389 2014-01-19 06:11:47 gribble has joined
 390 2014-01-19 06:13:30 MolokoBot has joined
 391 2014-01-19 06:13:41 justanotheruser has joined
 392 2014-01-19 06:14:49 eoss has joined
 393 2014-01-19 06:15:16 skydome has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 394 2014-01-19 06:15:37 MolokoDeck has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 395 2014-01-19 06:16:47 Plinker__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 396 2014-01-19 06:17:11 Plinker__ has joined
 397 2014-01-19 06:19:49 waxwing has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 398 2014-01-19 06:20:13 paxtoncamaro91 has joined
 399 2014-01-19 06:22:01 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 400 2014-01-19 06:23:42 debiantoruser has joined
 401 2014-01-19 06:25:05 MolokoBot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 402 2014-01-19 06:25:23 MolokoBot has joined
 403 2014-01-19 06:27:42 <Snowleaksange> i need a job that pays in bitcoins
 404 2014-01-19 06:27:57 <Snowleaksange> ah meant for #bitcoin
 405 2014-01-19 06:31:45 AusBitBank has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 406 2014-01-19 06:34:05 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 407 2014-01-19 06:35:26 mappum has joined
 408 2014-01-19 06:35:34 debiantoruser has joined
 409 2014-01-19 06:41:03 hmsimha has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 410 2014-01-19 06:41:47 mappum has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 411 2014-01-19 06:52:18 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
 412 2014-01-19 06:53:06 paxtoncamaro91 has quit (Read error: No route to host)
 413 2014-01-19 06:53:45 SwampTony has joined
 414 2014-01-19 06:54:07 debiantoruser has joined
 415 2014-01-19 06:56:34 da2ce7 has joined
 416 2014-01-19 06:56:54 sassamo has joined
 417 2014-01-19 06:57:05 Eiii has quit (!~NA@unaffiliated/eiii|Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 418 2014-01-19 06:58:17 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 419 2014-01-19 06:59:15 zcopley has quit (Quit: *disappeared in a puff of logic*)
 420 2014-01-19 06:59:56 Drenllateno has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 421 2014-01-19 07:01:15 sassamo has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 422 2014-01-19 07:01:28 da2ce7 has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
 423 2014-01-19 07:02:43 da2ce7 has joined
 424 2014-01-19 07:05:31 mappum has joined
 425 2014-01-19 07:08:26 JZavala has joined
 426 2014-01-19 07:14:28 Coincourse has joined
 427 2014-01-19 07:15:05 da2ce7 has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
 428 2014-01-19 07:16:03 da2ce7 has joined
 429 2014-01-19 07:16:23 dkog has quit (Quit: dkog)
 430 2014-01-19 07:17:31 Coincourse has quit (Client Quit)
 431 2014-01-19 07:17:46 cyphase has quit (Quit: cyphase.com)
 432 2014-01-19 07:17:50 mappum has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 433 2014-01-19 07:18:24 mappum has joined
 434 2014-01-19 07:23:20 johnsoft has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 435 2014-01-19 07:24:27 ericmuyser has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 436 2014-01-19 07:25:00 ericmuyser has joined
 437 2014-01-19 07:26:23 da2ce7 has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
 438 2014-01-19 07:26:54 da2ce7 has joined
 439 2014-01-19 07:27:32 Guest40759 has joined
 440 2014-01-19 07:29:55 berndj has joined
 441 2014-01-19 07:30:23 ericmuyser has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 442 2014-01-19 07:30:34 hmsimha has joined
 443 2014-01-19 07:31:50 nessence has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 444 2014-01-19 07:33:10 CryptoBuck_ALT has joined
 445 2014-01-19 07:34:03 ahbiscuits has quit (Quit: Sleeping)
 446 2014-01-19 07:35:02 a5m0 has quit (Disconnected by services)
 447 2014-01-19 07:35:11 a5m0 has joined
 448 2014-01-19 07:36:23 CryptoBuck has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 449 2014-01-19 07:36:23 wizkid057 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 450 2014-01-19 07:36:24 Raccoon has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 451 2014-01-19 07:36:24 keyboard has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 452 2014-01-19 07:36:24 majoh has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 453 2014-01-19 07:36:24 Application has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 454 2014-01-19 07:36:24 brisque has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 455 2014-01-19 07:36:24 pierre` has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 456 2014-01-19 07:36:24 crank has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 457 2014-01-19 07:36:24 stk` has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 458 2014-01-19 07:36:24 T19EL has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 459 2014-01-19 07:36:25 lolcat has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 460 2014-01-19 07:36:25 JyZyXEL has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 461 2014-01-19 07:36:25 Jouke has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 462 2014-01-19 07:36:26 wangbus has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 463 2014-01-19 07:36:26 hopey has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 464 2014-01-19 07:36:31 Jouke has joined
 465 2014-01-19 07:36:33 haxar has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 466 2014-01-19 07:36:33 dongshenz has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 467 2014-01-19 07:36:33 lolcat has joined
 468 2014-01-19 07:36:41 Raccoon has joined
 469 2014-01-19 07:36:56 hydrogenesis has joined
 470 2014-01-19 07:36:57 Application has joined
 471 2014-01-19 07:37:01 T19EL has joined
 472 2014-01-19 07:37:13 hopey has joined
 473 2014-01-19 07:37:23 ahbiscui_ has joined
 474 2014-01-19 07:37:28 JyZyXEL has joined
 475 2014-01-19 07:37:37 wangbus has joined
 476 2014-01-19 07:37:42 crank has joined
 477 2014-01-19 07:37:56 pierre` has joined
 478 2014-01-19 07:38:05 brisque has joined
 479 2014-01-19 07:38:15 cyphase has joined
 480 2014-01-19 07:38:52 ds has joined
 481 2014-01-19 07:39:28 majoh has joined
 482 2014-01-19 07:41:42 keyboard has joined
 483 2014-01-19 07:42:20 wizkid057 has joined
 484 2014-01-19 07:42:25 haxar has joined
 485 2014-01-19 07:44:26 justanotheruser1 has joined
 486 2014-01-19 07:44:36 justanotheruser1 has quit (Changing host)
 487 2014-01-19 07:44:36 justanotheruser1 has joined
 488 2014-01-19 07:46:21 mappum has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 489 2014-01-19 07:48:20 justanotheruser has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 490 2014-01-19 07:49:23 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 491 2014-01-19 07:50:47 debiantoruser has joined
 492 2014-01-19 07:54:16 AusBitBank has joined
 493 2014-01-19 07:54:25 hmsimha has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 494 2014-01-19 07:54:41 SwampTony has joined
 495 2014-01-19 07:57:23 sassamo has joined
 496 2014-01-19 07:57:37 hydrogenesis has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 497 2014-01-19 07:58:06 Neozonz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 498 2014-01-19 07:59:11 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 499 2014-01-19 07:59:53 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 500 2014-01-19 08:01:21 da2ce7 has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
 501 2014-01-19 08:01:26 wei__ has joined
 502 2014-01-19 08:01:37 debiantoruser has joined
 503 2014-01-19 08:05:29 smash_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 504 2014-01-19 08:06:13 sassamo has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 505 2014-01-19 08:12:10 b4epoche has joined
 506 2014-01-19 08:15:19 b4epoche_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 507 2014-01-19 08:16:17 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 508 2014-01-19 08:17:33 debiantoruser has joined
 509 2014-01-19 08:21:36 rdymac has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 510 2014-01-19 08:24:49 rdymac has joined
 511 2014-01-19 08:25:36 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 512 2014-01-19 08:26:05 eoss has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 513 2014-01-19 08:27:25 debiantoruser has joined
 514 2014-01-19 08:37:22 roconnor has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 515 2014-01-19 08:38:32 Neozonz has joined
 516 2014-01-19 08:41:06 eoss has joined
 517 2014-01-19 08:42:57 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 518 2014-01-19 08:43:10 ericmuyser has joined
 519 2014-01-19 08:44:23 debiantoruser has joined
 520 2014-01-19 08:46:42 hmsimha has joined
 521 2014-01-19 08:49:54 RoboTeddy has joined
 522 2014-01-19 08:54:00 giustoXricordarv has joined
 523 2014-01-19 08:55:10 SwampTony has joined
 524 2014-01-19 08:57:06 Neozonz has joined
 525 2014-01-19 08:58:49 nightlingo has joined
 526 2014-01-19 09:00:07 Neozonz has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 527 2014-01-19 09:00:37 techguy has joined
 528 2014-01-19 09:00:41 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 529 2014-01-19 09:01:57 sassamo has joined
 530 2014-01-19 09:04:30 Neozonz has joined
 531 2014-01-19 09:06:00 hmmma has joined
 532 2014-01-19 09:06:55 sassamo has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 533 2014-01-19 09:07:07 Neozonz has quit (Disc!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 534 2014-01-19 09:10:16 hmmma has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 535 2014-01-19 09:10:27 VinceSamios has joined
 536 2014-01-19 09:12:47 smash_ has joined
 537 2014-01-19 09:17:41 JZavala has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 538 2014-01-19 09:17:47 smash_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 539 2014-01-19 09:18:52 RoboTeddy has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 540 2014-01-19 09:23:14 techguy has left ()
 541 2014-01-19 09:28:03 askmike_ is now known as askmike
 542 2014-01-19 09:29:41 eoss has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 543 2014-01-19 09:32:53 saivann has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 544 2014-01-19 09:34:36 brisque has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
 545 2014-01-19 09:38:19 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 546 2014-01-19 09:39:11 askmike_ has joined
 547 2014-01-19 09:40:02 debiantoruser has joined
 548 2014-01-19 09:40:04 askmike has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 549 2014-01-19 09:42:14 saivann has joined
 550 2014-01-19 09:43:32 hmmma has joined
 551 2014-01-19 09:48:19 askmike_ is now known as askmike
 552 2014-01-19 09:51:55 jtcwang has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 553 2014-01-19 09:52:35 rlifchitz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 554 2014-01-19 09:54:15 johndoe1111 is now known as foamo
 555 2014-01-19 09:56:10 Guyver2 has joined
 556 2014-01-19 09:56:12 zer0def has quit (Quit: Quit:)
 557 2014-01-19 09:56:13 jdnavarro has joined
 558 2014-01-19 09:56:14 SwampTony has joined
 559 2014-01-19 10:00:45 bitnumus has joined
 560 2014-01-19 10:00:45 abueesp has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 561 2014-01-19 10:01:08 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 562 2014-01-19 10:01:48 foamo has quit ()
 563 2014-01-19 10:02:27 sassamo has joined
 564 2014-01-19 10:02:34 zer0def has joined
 565 2014-01-19 10:07:22 sassamo has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 566 2014-01-19 10:17:01 hnz has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 567 2014-01-19 10:20:07 Blackreign has joined
 568 2014-01-19 10:21:29 hnz has joined
 569 2014-01-19 10:23:36 c0rw1n has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 570 2014-01-19 10:24:23 Goonie has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 571 2014-01-19 10:24:34 jtcwang has joined
 572 2014-01-19 10:25:00 viperhr has joined
 573 2014-01-19 10:26:57 jtcwang has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 574 2014-01-19 10:28:23 mattco has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 575 2014-01-19 10:30:32 pooler has joined
 576 2014-01-19 10:31:08 hmmma has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 577 2014-01-19 10:32:22 _BNCatDIGISHELL has quit (Quit: changing servers)
 578 2014-01-19 10:32:34 BNCatDIGISHELL has joined
 579 2014-01-19 10:35:43 CryptoBuck_ALT has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 580 2014-01-19 10:39:50 nickler has joined
 581 2014-01-19 10:40:20 yubrew has joined
 582 2014-01-19 10:48:01 giustoXricordarv has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 583 2014-01-19 10:48:28 <wumpus> so is it really time to get rid of the GUI, everyone here seems to be so annoyed by it? or is that just -dev posturing, we don't need a GUI because we're so technical?
 584 2014-01-19 10:48:41 syncoherent has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 585 2014-01-19 10:50:22 mattco has joined
 586 2014-01-19 10:50:58 <gmaxwell> I don't think we should get rid of the gui.
 587 2014-01-19 10:51:11 giustoXricordarv has joined
 588 2014-01-19 10:51:47 <wumpus> I think especially for windows it's useful, as people are not used to running services without a GUI
 589 2014-01-19 10:52:02 <gmaxwell> absolutely, I agree there.
 590 2014-01-19 10:52:29 mattco1 has joined
 591 2014-01-19 10:52:47 <gmaxwell> and even for technical users in windows they use the gui plus the gui console. The windows command prompt is foreign and behaves not so great.
 592 2014-01-19 10:52:51 <maaku> Not everyone can use the command line
 593 2014-01-19 10:53:15 <maaku> I am aware of no other GUI that is a full node
 594 2014-01-19 10:53:25 <gmaxwell> well I'm pretty sure everyone _can_ but— not everyone should be or needs to be.
 595 2014-01-19 10:54:31 mattco has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
 596 2014-01-19 10:54:39 guruvan has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 597 2014-01-19 10:54:40 <wumpus> maaku: that's entirely true, but end-users will use some other app or web service, they aren't encouraged to run a full node anymore
 598 2014-01-19 10:54:59 sensorii has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 599 2014-01-19 10:55:29 <maaku> wumpus: most users will be fine on multbit, yes, but some users will feel they need to run a full node, maybe with good reason
 600 2014-01-19 10:55:41 <maaku> and they may be uncomfortable or untrained in using a command line
 601 2014-01-19 10:56:02 <gmaxwell> Multibit is glitchy and very feature constrained.
 602 2014-01-19 10:56:02 <wumpus> right... I agree with you
 603 2014-01-19 10:56:40 SwampTony has joined
 604 2014-01-19 10:57:08 <gmaxwell> Multibit should probably be removed from bitcoin.org, I don't mean this to be controversial but as far as I know no one other than its author even can build it.
 605 2014-01-19 10:57:26 <gmaxwell> and indeed, being able to run a full node (at the reasonable and relevant costs) is a part of what makes bitcoin bitcoin and not paypal.
 606 2014-01-19 10:58:29 Namworld has quit ()
 607 2014-01-19 10:58:48 <wumpus> right, as long as there is a sizeable amount of users that wants to run a full node and is helped by having a GUI, then it makes sense to continue maintaining it :)
 608 2014-01-19 10:59:33 <gmaxwell> now, seperating out the gui in the codebase more, and such, thats all a grand plan.
 609 2014-01-19 11:00:09 scoofy has quit ()
 610 2014-01-19 11:00:24 rlifchitz has joined
 611 2014-01-19 11:00:55 sensorii has joined
 612 2014-01-19 11:01:44 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 613 2014-01-19 11:02:18 <wumpus> the GUI already builds seperately, I think the next seperation effort would be the wallet and the rest of the node
 614 2014-01-19 11:02:29 Guyver2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 615 2014-01-19 11:03:04 sassamo has joined
 616 2014-01-19 11:03:38 <wumpus> as in, seperate processes
 617 2014-01-19 11:04:42 go1111111 has joined
 618 2014-01-19 11:05:09 melvster has joined
 619 2014-01-19 11:06:49 rlifchitz has quit (Quit: "I never worry about action, but only about inaction" (W. Churchill))
 620 2014-01-19 11:07:08 rlifchitz has joined
 621 2014-01-19 11:08:00 sassamo has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
 622 2014-01-19 11:18:42 rlifchitz has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 623 2014-01-19 11:19:31 guruvan has joined
 624 2014-01-19 11:25:21 rlifchitz has joined
 625 2014-01-19 11:29:42 Satorin has joined
 626 2014-01-19 11:30:09 Guyver2 has joined
 627 2014-01-19 11:30:44 airbreather has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 628 2014-01-19 11:32:20 waxwing has joined
 629 2014-01-19 11:35:23 hmsimha has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 630 2014-01-19 11:40:14 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 631 2014-01-19 11:41:42 debiantoruser has joined
 632 2014-01-19 11:51:45 FabianB_ has joined
 633 2014-01-19 11:52:28 FabianB has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 634 2014-01-19 11:54:12 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 635 2014-01-19 11:56:05 debiantoruser has joined
 636 2014-01-19 11:57:08 SwampTony has joined
 637 2014-01-19 12:02:03 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 638 2014-01-19 12:03:38 sassamo has joined
 639 2014-01-19 12:05:51 hmsimha has joined
 640 2014-01-19 12:05:52 bitnumus has quit (Quit: :))
 641 2014-01-19 12:06:19 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 642 2014-01-19 12:07:43 yubrew has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 643 2014-01-19 12:07:58 debiantoruser has joined
 644 2014-01-19 12:08:15 yubrew has joined
 645 2014-01-19 12:08:29 sassamo has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 646 2014-01-19 12:09:58 Guest40759 has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 647 2014-01-19 12:10:21 johnsoft has joined
 648 2014-01-19 12:12:49 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 649 2014-01-19 12:17:15 JZavala has joined
 650 2014-01-19 12:17:41 ircuser-6 has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
 651 2014-01-19 12:21:33 haqe17 has joined
 652 2014-01-19 12:21:47 jdnavarro has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 653 2014-01-19 12:22:43 b4epoche_ has joined
 654 2014-01-19 12:22:50 wallet42 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
 655 2014-01-19 12:23:31 tmsk has joined
 656 2014-01-19 12:24:00 wallet42 has joined
 657 2014-01-19 12:24:11 tmsk has quit (Client Quit)
 658 2014-01-19 12:24:31 tmsk has joined
 659 2014-01-19 12:25:32 phillipsjk has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 660 2014-01-19 12:26:26 b4epoche has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 661 2014-01-19 12:28:58 pooler_ has joined
 662 2014-01-19 12:30:52 pooler has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 663 2014-01-19 12:30:53 pooler_ is now known as pooler
 664 2014-01-19 12:32:28 t7 has joined
 665 2014-01-19 12:33:17 maaku has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 666 2014-01-19 12:48:46 bitnumus has joined
 667 2014-01-19 12:52:11 fanquake has left ()
 668 2014-01-19 12:52:24 Zarutian has joined
 669 2014-01-19 12:53:12 Denim-jdev has joined
 670 2014-01-19 12:54:26 yubrew has joined
 671 2014-01-19 12:58:19 SwampTony has joined
 672 2014-01-19 12:59:26 Snacks__ has joined
 673 2014-01-19 12:59:28 viperhr has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 674 2014-01-19 13:00:38 Snacks__ has quit (Client Quit)
 675 2014-01-19 13:01:38 Snacks_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 676 2014-01-19 13:03:15 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 677 2014-01-19 13:04:24 sassamo has joined
 678 2014-01-19 13:08:59 sassamo has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 679 2014-01-19 13:09:07 ircuser-6 has joined
 680 2014-01-19 13:13:50 Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian)
 681 2014-01-19 13:15:18 giustoXricordarv has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 682 2014-01-19 13:18:47 Ursium_ has quit (Quit: Ursium_)
 683 2014-01-19 13:20:08 midnightmagic has quit (Quit: quit)
 684 2014-01-19 13:20:38 Ursium has joined
 685 2014-01-19 13:20:41 Ursium has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 686 2014-01-19 13:20:42 midnightmagic has joined
 687 2014-01-19 13:20:50 drayah has joined
 688 2014-01-19 13:24:11 rdymac has quit (Excess Flood)
 689 2014-01-19 13:25:06 giustoXricordarv has joined
 690 2014-01-19 13:25:16 drayah has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 691 2014-01-19 13:28:40 rdymac has joined
 692 2014-01-19 13:29:51 hmsimha has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 693 2014-01-19 13:31:09 Eneerge has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
 694 2014-01-19 13:38:44 d3p0rt3d has quit (Quit: changing servers)
 695 2014-01-19 13:42:25 hmsimha has joined
 696 2014-01-19 13:46:05 Burrito has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 697 2014-01-19 13:48:08 AusBitBank has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 698 2014-01-19 13:50:11 Grouver has joined
 699 2014-01-19 13:53:32 newos has joined
 700 2014-01-19 13:53:38 null`` has joined
 701 2014-01-19 13:53:42 oPen_syLar has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 702 2014-01-19 13:53:42 newos has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 703 2014-01-19 13:53:56 null`` has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 704 2014-01-19 13:54:05 null`` has joined
 705 2014-01-19 13:55:00 Eneerge has joined
 706 2014-01-19 13:55:03 testnode9 has joined
 707 2014-01-19 13:58:44 SwampTony has joined
 708 2014-01-19 13:58:45 nightlingo has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 709 2014-01-19 14:00:20 null`` has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 710 2014-01-19 14:02:49 null`` has joined
 711 2014-01-19 14:03:20 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 712 2014-01-19 14:04:31 Snacks_ has joined
 713 2014-01-19 14:04:59 sassamo has joined
 714 2014-01-19 14:05:10 haqe17 has quit (Quit: NNnNNnnNnN)
 715 2014-01-19 14:09:28 sassamo has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 716 2014-01-19 14:16:31 null`` has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 717 2014-01-19 14:19:42 Raziel has joined
 718 2014-01-19 14:24:59 dansmith is now known as dansmith_btc
 719 2014-01-19 14:27:19 runeks has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 720 2014-01-19 14:27:23 runeks_ has joined
 721 2014-01-19 14:38:32 breesy has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 722 2014-01-19 14:40:54 DBordello has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 723 2014-01-19 14:41:24 viperhr has joined
 724 2014-01-19 14:41:53 Insti has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 725 2014-01-19 14:43:13 ralphi has joined
 726 2014-01-19 14:44:34 DBordello has joined
 727 2014-01-19 14:44:46 Insti has joined
 728 2014-01-19 14:52:44 Belxjander has joined
 729 2014-01-19 14:54:32 guruvan has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 730 2014-01-19 14:54:51 nightlingo has joined
 731 2014-01-19 14:55:09 guruvan has joined
 732 2014-01-19 14:55:28 twizt has joined
 733 2014-01-19 14:56:32 <twizt> anyone know if hteres a game dev channel on this network
 734 2014-01-19 14:56:33 <twizt> ?
 735 2014-01-19 14:57:20 JZavala has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 736 2014-01-19 14:57:29 ThomasV has joined
 737 2014-01-19 14:59:14 SwampTony has joined
 738 2014-01-19 14:59:21 t7 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 739 2014-01-19 15:01:45 wallet421 has joined
 740 2014-01-19 15:01:45 wallet42 is now known as Guest85271
 741 2014-01-19 15:01:45 wallet421 is now known as wallet42
 742 2014-01-19 15:02:18 ralphi has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 743 2014-01-19 15:04:14 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 744 2014-01-19 15:04:30 Guest85271 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 745 2014-01-19 15:05:32 sassamo has joined
 746 2014-01-19 15:09:31 Blackreign has quit ()
 747 2014-01-19 15:10:00 sassamo has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 748 2014-01-19 15:16:19 jps has joined
 749 2014-01-19 15:17:21 nightlingo has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 750 2014-01-19 15:18:09 macboz has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 751 2014-01-19 15:18:31 jakov has joined
 752 2014-01-19 15:23:02 CheckDavid has joined
 753 2014-01-19 15:24:17 giustoXricordarv has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 754 2014-01-19 15:30:10 CheckDavid has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
 755 2014-01-19 15:33:54 CheckDavid has joined
 756 2014-01-19 15:34:36 giustoXricordarv has joined
 757 2014-01-19 15:35:30 wei__ has quit (Quit: wei__)
 758 2014-01-19 15:43:13 d3p0rt3d has joined
 759 2014-01-19 15:49:21 Coincourse has joined
 760 2014-01-19 15:58:00 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
 761 2014-01-19 15:58:49 jps has quit (Quit: jps)
 762 2014-01-19 16:00:31 SwampTony has joined
 763 2014-01-19 16:05:16 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 764 2014-01-19 16:06:05 sassamo has joined
 765 2014-01-19 16:09:31 CryptDrift has joined
 766 2014-01-19 16:09:31 CryptDrift has quit (Changing host)
 767 2014-01-19 16:09:31 CryptDrift has joined
 768 2014-01-19 16:10:30 sassamo has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 769 2014-01-19 16:11:06 jakov has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 770 2014-01-19 16:12:03 Subo1977 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 771 2014-01-19 16:12:58 Subo1977 has joined
 772 2014-01-19 16:15:25 sassamo has joined
 773 2014-01-19 16:15:59 Plinker__ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 774 2014-01-19 16:16:31 datagutt has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 775 2014-01-19 16:17:12 datagutt has joined
 776 2014-01-19 16:22:37 Plinker_ has joined
 777 2014-01-19 16:25:17 justanotheruser1 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 778 2014-01-19 16:26:20 linagee has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 779 2014-01-19 16:28:40 Satorin has left ()
 780 2014-01-19 16:32:14 petertretyakov has joined
 781 2014-01-19 16:33:14 b4epoche has joined
 782 2014-01-19 16:33:30 zeddan81 has joined
 783 2014-01-19 16:33:50 b4epoche_ has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
 784 2014-01-19 16:34:47 tmsk_ has joined
 785 2014-01-19 16:37:19 tmsk has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 786 2014-01-19 16:38:52 grishnakh__ has joined
 787 2014-01-19 16:40:46 Grishnakh has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 788 2014-01-19 16:41:19 zeddan81 has quit (Quit: Lämnar)
 789 2014-01-19 16:41:45 justanotheruser has joined
 790 2014-01-19 16:44:52 daybyter has joined
 791 2014-01-19 16:45:50 Coincourse has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 792 2014-01-19 16:46:41 cr3pe has joined
 793 2014-01-19 16:47:25 aburan28 has joined
 794 2014-01-19 16:49:48 sassamo has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 795 2014-01-19 16:50:15 sassamo has joined
 796 2014-01-19 16:52:44 hmsimha has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 797 2014-01-19 16:54:26 Guest30169 has joined
 798 2014-01-19 16:55:50 viperhr has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 799 2014-01-19 16:56:35 twizt has quit (Quit: Page closed)
 800 2014-01-19 16:58:30 jakov has joined
 801 2014-01-19 17:00:21 da2ce7 has joined
 802 2014-01-19 17:00:33 elgrecoFL is now known as PFM
 803 2014-01-19 17:00:51 SwampTony has joined
 804 2014-01-19 17:00:53 PFM is now known as Broncos-PFM
 805 2014-01-19 17:05:30 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 806 2014-01-19 17:08:27 Guest30169 has left ()
 807 2014-01-19 17:08:59 HM has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 808 2014-01-19 17:10:32 Anduck has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 809 2014-01-19 17:11:01 HM has joined
 810 2014-01-19 17:15:06 lopp has joined
 811 2014-01-19 17:17:10 ielo has joined
 812 2014-01-19 17:19:53 evan82_1 has joined
 813 2014-01-19 17:21:12 Khyber has joined
 814 2014-01-19 17:22:37 lolcat has quit (Changing host)
 815 2014-01-19 17:22:37 lolcat has joined
 816 2014-01-19 17:23:21 aburan28 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 817 2014-01-19 17:26:21 Zarutian has joined
 818 2014-01-19 17:26:48 d3p0rt3d has quit (Read error: No route to host)
 819 2014-01-19 17:26:49 giustoXricordarv has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 820 2014-01-19 17:27:12 skydome has joined
 821 2014-01-19 17:27:17 <lopp> I've asked this question on both Bitcointalk and Reddit without a single response. Hopefully someone on here can shed some light...
 822 2014-01-19 17:27:23 evan82_1 has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 823 2014-01-19 17:27:27 <lopp> It's fairly straightforward to see the strength of the Bitcoin mining infrastructure growing by viewing the graphs of the relentlessly-increasing hashrate and thus mining difficulty. What I'd like to learn more about is the "health / strength" of the network with respect to the number of full nodes that are broadcasting transactions.
 824 2014-01-19 17:27:35 <lopp> I try to keep tabs on the number of full nodes via http://getaddr.bitnodes.io/chart/nodes/ and have been disappointed by the recent decline, but I don't know if it is cause for concern. Does anyone know of a method by which we can determine the optimal number / minimum threshold of operating full nodes that will keep the relaying of transactions robust?
 825 2014-01-19 17:29:02 Anduck has joined
 826 2014-01-19 17:29:58 Joker_Da_Man has joined
 827 2014-01-19 17:30:20 <sipa> lopp: full nodes have distinct functions, and the "optimality" differs between them
 828 2014-01-19 17:30:47 <sipa> 1) full nodes provide lookup of historic blocks, which is necessary for new nodes synchronizing
 829 2014-01-19 17:31:15 <sipa> 2) full nodes provide filtered transaction lookup for SPV clients, which is necessary for those clients to function
 830 2014-01-19 17:31:27 <sipa> 3) full nodes validate blocks and transactions, and relay them
 831 2014-01-19 17:32:08 <sipa> 1 and 2 are easy... we just need enough to satisfy reasonable (non-attack) demand
 832 2014-01-19 17:32:28 caktux has joined
 833 2014-01-19 17:32:43 <sipa> 3 is a bit harder, relay of blocks and transactions is important, but technically doesn't require a full node
 834 2014-01-19 17:32:54 <sipa> what full nodes however do, is make sure the network is honest
 835 2014-01-19 17:33:10 hydrogenesis has joined
 836 2014-01-19 17:33:11 <sipa> and this is not so much as question of how many there are
 837 2014-01-19 17:33:12 airbreather has joined
 838 2014-01-19 17:33:18 <sipa> it's more about how hard it is to run one
 839 2014-01-19 17:34:03 melvster has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 840 2014-01-19 17:34:18 hsmiths2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 841 2014-01-19 17:35:40 sensorii has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 842 2014-01-19 17:36:02 melvster has joined
 843 2014-01-19 17:36:08 <lopp> Understood. Is there any worry, however, about the ratio of nodes running the standard 8 connections vs those that maintain 100+ connections? I've seen them referred to as "seeder" and "leecher" nodes but haven't seen any hard proof that it is "bad" to only accept 8 connections.
 844 2014-01-19 17:36:35 hsmiths has joined
 845 2014-01-19 17:36:58 accelerate has joined
 846 2014-01-19 17:37:41 EngierkO has joined
 847 2014-01-19 17:37:46 <sipa> accept?
 848 2014-01-19 17:37:55 giustoXricordarv has joined
 849 2014-01-19 17:37:59 tych0 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 850 2014-01-19 17:38:03 <sipa> the reference client by default accepts up to 120 connections
 851 2014-01-19 17:38:13 <sipa> it never makes more than 8 outgoing connections those
 852 2014-01-19 17:38:23 <sipa> in order not to exhaust connectable peer slots
 853 2014-01-19 17:38:34 <sipa> s/those/though/
 854 2014-01-19 17:39:36 EngierkO has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 855 2014-01-19 17:40:12 EngierkO has joined
 856 2014-01-19 17:40:38 d3p0rt3d has joined
 857 2014-01-19 17:40:39 joeykrim has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 858 2014-01-19 17:40:39 kuzetsa has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 859 2014-01-19 17:40:39 kuzetsa has joined
 860 2014-01-19 17:40:42 kuzetsa has quit (Changing host)
 861 2014-01-19 17:40:42 kuzetsa has joined
 862 2014-01-19 17:41:08 syncoherent has joined
 863 2014-01-19 17:41:22 sensorii has joined
 864 2014-01-19 17:41:45 Guest26144 has joined
 865 2014-01-19 17:41:57 jakov has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 866 2014-01-19 17:42:05 <lopp> I believe it comes down to people running a node behind a router / firewall who don't open / forward the port. So you're saying that when my full node reports 100 connections, those are all incoming and only 8 are outgoing?
 867 2014-01-19 17:42:15 <sipa> yes
 868 2014-01-19 17:42:47 s7r has joined
 869 2014-01-19 17:42:51 <lopp> Doesn't make sense to me, because my upstream bandwith usage goes through the roof when I open up my bitcoin port...
 870 2014-01-19 17:43:15 <sipa> that makes perfect sense
 871 2014-01-19 17:43:28 <sipa> incoming connections are much more likely to be by peers who are still catching up
 872 2014-01-19 17:43:35 EngierkO_ has joined
 873 2014-01-19 17:43:38 <sipa> so they tend to request much more data from you
 874 2014-01-19 17:44:09 <lopp> oh, ok, they're "incoming" from the viewpoint of the rest of the network
 875 2014-01-19 17:44:30 <sipa> incoming connections: from the network to you
 876 2014-01-19 17:44:36 <sipa> outgoing connections: from you to the network
 877 2014-01-19 17:44:43 <lopp> gotcha
 878 2014-01-19 17:44:49 EngierkO has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
 879 2014-01-19 17:47:04 sassamo_ has joined
 880 2014-01-19 17:47:24 belpheg has joined
 881 2014-01-19 17:47:29 sassamo_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 882 2014-01-19 17:47:33 stretchwarren has joined
 883 2014-01-19 17:47:46 <lopp> then it sounds like any node that is not allowing incoming connection is, in essence, "leeching"
 884 2014-01-19 17:47:47 sassamo_ has joined
 885 2014-01-19 17:48:12 EngierkO_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 886 2014-01-19 17:49:03 EngierkO has joined
 887 2014-01-19 17:49:03 <lopp> would it be helpful if we could determine a seeder:leecher ratio a la bittorrent?
 888 2014-01-19 17:49:07 <sipa> if the only resource you're considering is available connection slots, yes
 889 2014-01-19 17:49:12 MolokoBot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 890 2014-01-19 17:49:31 MolokoBot has joined
 891 2014-01-19 17:49:32 <sipa> but even nodes that only make outgoing connections do verify transactions and blocks, and relay those between their peerds
 892 2014-01-19 17:50:29 belpheg has quit (Client Quit)
 893 2014-01-19 17:50:35 <lopp> but we can't publicly query a node for those granular statistics, correct?
 894 2014-01-19 17:50:48 sassamo has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 895 2014-01-19 17:51:04 caktux has quit (Quit: caktux)
 896 2014-01-19 17:51:22 EngierkO has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 897 2014-01-19 17:51:26 justanotheruser has quit (Changing host)
 898 2014-01-19 17:51:26 justanotheruser has joined
 899 2014-01-19 17:51:59 EngierkO has joined
 900 2014-01-19 17:53:07 porquilho has joined
 901 2014-01-19 17:53:48 EngierkO has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 902 2014-01-19 17:54:24 EngierkO has joined
 903 2014-01-19 17:58:30 <lopp> I'm assuming that not all nodes are equal with regard to how many transactions that they verify and relay
 904 2014-01-19 17:58:40 wiretapped has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 905 2014-01-19 17:59:35 eoss has joined
 906 2014-01-19 18:00:33 <sipa> every node verifies and relies every block (and every transaction in it)
 907 2014-01-19 18:00:40 <sipa> *relays
 908 2014-01-19 18:02:00 SwampTony has joined
 909 2014-01-19 18:03:12 JZavala has joined
 910 2014-01-19 18:03:25 <blazon> propigation, depending on node density in your area is a different story
 911 2014-01-19 18:04:32 <CryptDrift> what is the easiest way to generate QR codes for BTC addresses in a webpage?
 912 2014-01-19 18:06:24 <justanotheruser> CryptDrift: probably to use a QR code library
 913 2014-01-19 18:06:35 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 914 2014-01-19 18:06:36 <CryptDrift> bitaddress.org qrcode.js ?
 915 2014-01-19 18:07:30 <CryptDrift> sweet there is jquery qrcode but wanted to keep the project lightweight
 916 2014-01-19 18:08:19 <sipa> lightweight for the server or for the client?
 917 2014-01-19 18:08:47 <CryptDrift> for the client
 918 2014-01-19 18:09:30 <justanotheruser> CryptDrift: there probably is a library for whatever you are using to generate web pages
 919 2014-01-19 18:09:54 <sipa> well then you'll need to geneate the qr code images server-side :)
 920 2014-01-19 18:09:56 digitalmagus3 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 921 2014-01-19 18:09:59 <CryptDrift> justanotheruser, okay already got a nice jquery plugin
 922 2014-01-19 18:10:16 <CryptDrift> was just curious are there any differences for BTC addresses than a normal string
 923 2014-01-19 18:10:19 digitalmagus3 has joined
 924 2014-01-19 18:10:52 <sipa> as far as the QR code generation is concerns, a bitcoin address is just a string
 925 2014-01-19 18:11:00 petertretyakov has left ()
 926 2014-01-19 18:11:03 <sipa> a bitcoin: URI, rather
 927 2014-01-19 18:11:15 <CryptDrift> sipa thanks thats what I needed to know
 928 2014-01-19 18:11:27 <CryptDrift> bitcoin URI doesn't work with electrum wallet :/
 929 2014-01-19 18:13:35 <CryptDrift> sometimes bitcoin URI annoys like email URIs
 930 2014-01-19 18:16:14 Zarutian has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 931 2014-01-19 18:20:49 drayah has joined
 932 2014-01-19 18:22:48 Neozonz has joined
 933 2014-01-19 18:24:25 tych0 has joined
 934 2014-01-19 18:25:22 skydome has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 935 2014-01-19 18:25:23 CryptDrift has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 936 2014-01-19 18:25:44 Neozonz has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 937 2014-01-19 18:25:45 viperhr has joined
 938 2014-01-19 18:25:50 drayah has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 939 2014-01-19 18:26:23 skydome has joined
 940 2014-01-19 18:29:47 Eiii has joined
 941 2014-01-19 18:30:07 Snacks_ has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 942 2014-01-19 18:30:33 jakov has joined
 943 2014-01-19 18:30:33 jakov has quit (Changing host)
 944 2014-01-19 18:30:33 jakov has joined
 945 2014-01-19 18:35:28 Ursium has joined
 946 2014-01-19 18:40:58 ericmuyser has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 947 2014-01-19 18:41:34 ericmuyser has joined
 948 2014-01-19 18:42:04 EngierkO has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
 949 2014-01-19 18:42:10 Denim-jdev has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 950 2014-01-19 18:42:24 wiretapped has joined
 951 2014-01-19 18:43:40 JZavala has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 952 2014-01-19 18:43:56 justanotheruser1 has joined
 953 2014-01-19 18:44:35 EngierkO has joined
 954 2014-01-19 18:44:45 justanotheruser has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
 955 2014-01-19 18:44:45 EngierkO has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 956 2014-01-19 18:46:26 tg0 has joined
 957 2014-01-19 18:46:50 ericmuyser has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 958 2014-01-19 18:48:28 justanotheruser1 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
 959 2014-01-19 18:48:29 gst has joined
 960 2014-01-19 18:50:51 Broncos-PFM has quit (Excess Flood)
 961 2014-01-19 18:50:56 lopp has quit (Quit: Page closed)
 962 2014-01-19 18:52:37 elgrecoFL has joined
 963 2014-01-19 18:53:08 digitalmagus2 has joined
 964 2014-01-19 18:53:50 daybyter has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
 965 2014-01-19 18:54:24 digitalmagus3 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 966 2014-01-19 18:57:02 rdymac has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 967 2014-01-19 18:58:42 rdymac has joined
 968 2014-01-19 18:59:31 profreid has joined
 969 2014-01-19 18:59:42 maaku has joined
 970 2014-01-19 18:59:58 <niston> I wonder who comes first with hardware crypto support, AMD or nVidia?
 971 2014-01-19 19:00:06 maaku is now known as Guest75386
 972 2014-01-19 19:00:14 <Luke-Jr> niston: Intel
 973 2014-01-19 19:00:17 Guest75386 has left ()
 974 2014-01-19 19:00:20 <Luke-Jr> actually, VIA
 975 2014-01-19 19:00:22 <niston> heh.
 976 2014-01-19 19:00:35 <niston> what chipset?
 977 2014-01-19 19:00:38 coius has joined
 978 2014-01-19 19:01:12 maaku has joined
 979 2014-01-19 19:02:18 SwampTony has joined
 980 2014-01-19 19:04:16 coeus_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
 981 2014-01-19 19:04:50 justanotheruser has joined
 982 2014-01-19 19:05:50 Burrito has joined
 983 2014-01-19 19:06:03 Luke-Jr has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 984 2014-01-19 19:07:09 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 985 2014-01-19 19:07:10 justanotheruser has quit (Changing host)
 986 2014-01-19 19:07:11 justanotheruser has joined
 987 2014-01-19 19:07:24 <sturles> C3 and C7 at least.
 988 2014-01-19 19:07:35 <Diablo-D3> heh
 989 2014-01-19 19:07:41 <Diablo-D3> it'd probably be intel
 990 2014-01-19 19:07:48 <Diablo-D3> that comes first in hw crypto support
 991 2014-01-19 19:09:32 <niston> interesting
 992 2014-01-19 19:10:23 <sturles> VIA had hw crypto support in their x86 CPUs for ten years now.
 993 2014-01-19 19:11:02 jdnavarro has joined
 994 2014-01-19 19:11:13 <niston> yeah I have an ALIX board with a VIA chip
 995 2014-01-19 19:11:25 <niston> but would it be useful for mining? I doubt that.
 996 2014-01-19 19:11:50 <niston> its nice for VPN throughput however.
 997 2014-01-19 19:13:56 Luke-Jr has joined
 998 2014-01-19 19:14:34 <Luke-Jr> niston: look into VIA PadLock
 999 2014-01-19 19:16:30 <lianj> niston: sadly the alix boards have 100mbit nics though :)
1000 2014-01-19 19:17:19 <sturles> Looks like both AMD and Intel have had AES specific instructions for a while: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES_instruction_set#Supporting_CPUs
1001 2014-01-19 19:18:24 Anduck has quit ()
1002 2014-01-19 19:19:52 hydrogenesis has quit (Quit: hydrogenesis)
1003 2014-01-19 19:20:20 hydrogenesis has joined
1004 2014-01-19 19:20:29 <niston> lianj: true ;)
1005 2014-01-19 19:21:17 <niston> I still think it would be logical for gfx card manufacturers to include support for crypto mining
1006 2014-01-19 19:24:30 RoboTeddy has joined
1007 2014-01-19 19:24:37 Goonie has joined
1008 2014-01-19 19:25:17 jakov_ has joined
1009 2014-01-19 19:25:37 <lianj> sturles: some/most of them. "Mobile: all Core i7 and Core i5" is not true, you can be unlucky and by a an i5 that doesn't have it
1010 2014-01-19 19:25:47 RoboTeddy has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1011 2014-01-19 19:26:06 jakov has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
1012 2014-01-19 19:26:09 <lianj> *buy an
1013 2014-01-19 19:26:17 <Luke-Jr> niston: that makes not much sense. GPUs already do SHA2 very well
1014 2014-01-19 19:28:32 OneFixt has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1015 2014-01-19 19:30:14 giustoXricordarv has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
1016 2014-01-19 19:31:08 coeus_ has joined
1017 2014-01-19 19:31:52 ielo has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1018 2014-01-19 19:32:45 coius has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
1019 2014-01-19 19:34:41 alphaw0lf has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1020 2014-01-19 19:35:50 alphaw0lf has joined
1021 2014-01-19 19:36:20 alphaw0lf has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1022 2014-01-19 19:36:46 <niston> Luke-Jr but theres no dedicated on chip support for it, is there?
1023 2014-01-19 19:36:54 alphaw0lf has joined
1024 2014-01-19 19:37:09 Mikalv has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net)
1025 2014-01-19 19:37:44 nomailing has joined
1026 2014-01-19 19:37:49 alphaw0lf has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1027 2014-01-19 19:37:55 lachesis has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
1028 2014-01-19 19:38:02 Traintop has joined
1029 2014-01-19 19:38:28 giustoXricordarv has joined
1030 2014-01-19 19:38:31 alphaw0lf has joined
1031 2014-01-19 19:38:57 Mikalv has joined
1032 2014-01-19 19:38:58 alphaw0lf has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1033 2014-01-19 19:39:34 alphaw0lf has joined
1034 2014-01-19 19:40:09 Traintop has quit (Client Quit)
1035 2014-01-19 19:45:52 hydrogenesis has quit (Quit: hydrogenesis)
1036 2014-01-19 19:47:42 jps has joined
1037 2014-01-19 19:49:37 smash_ has joined
1038 2014-01-19 19:49:56 jps has quit (Client Quit)
1039 2014-01-19 19:50:57 smash_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1040 2014-01-19 19:52:02 smash_ has joined
1041 2014-01-19 19:53:48 giustoXricordarv has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1042 2014-01-19 19:55:20 Coincourse has joined
1043 2014-01-19 19:56:43 wavelet has joined
1044 2014-01-19 19:58:37 Anduck has joined
1045 2014-01-19 19:58:37 Anduck has quit (Changing host)
1046 2014-01-19 19:58:37 Anduck has joined
1047 2014-01-19 20:03:23 SwampTony has joined
1048 2014-01-19 20:04:20 <maaku> niston: there'd be no point and a real cost
1049 2014-01-19 20:07:28 da2ce7 has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
1050 2014-01-19 20:08:06 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1051 2014-01-19 20:10:25 hybridsole has joined
1052 2014-01-19 20:10:55 da2ce7 has joined
1053 2014-01-19 20:12:31 Ashaman_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1054 2014-01-19 20:18:49 daybyter has joined
1055 2014-01-19 20:21:16 CheckDavid has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
1056 2014-01-19 20:24:51 Eneerge has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
1057 2014-01-19 20:27:37 roconnor has joined
1058 2014-01-19 20:28:53 Eneerge has joined
1059 2014-01-19 20:29:22 sassamo_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1060 2014-01-19 20:29:50 sassamo has joined
1061 2014-01-19 20:31:57 da2ce7 has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
1062 2014-01-19 20:34:11 sassamo has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1063 2014-01-19 20:37:07 giustoXricordarv has joined
1064 2014-01-19 20:43:50 b4epoche_ has joined
1065 2014-01-19 20:46:52 b4epoche has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
1066 2014-01-19 20:46:55 ZG has joined
1067 2014-01-19 20:48:31 Snacks_ has joined
1068 2014-01-19 20:49:39 Snacks_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1069 2014-01-19 20:49:55 Snacks_ has joined
1070 2014-01-19 20:50:30 sassamo has joined
1071 2014-01-19 20:50:34 smash_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1072 2014-01-19 20:51:42 mrkent has joined
1073 2014-01-19 20:52:44 Goonie has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1074 2014-01-19 20:54:40 random_cat has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1075 2014-01-19 20:57:30 random_cat has joined
1076 2014-01-19 21:03:47 SwampTony has joined
1077 2014-01-19 21:07:40 roconnor has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1078 2014-01-19 21:08:57 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1079 2014-01-19 21:09:37 jakov_ has left ()
1080 2014-01-19 21:09:45 jakov has joined
1081 2014-01-19 21:16:40 ZG has quit (caktux!~caktux@dsl-173-248-230-158.acanac.net|Quit: ZG|caktux)
1082 2014-01-19 21:21:12 profreid has quit (Quit: profreid)
1083 2014-01-19 21:24:26 CheckDavid has joined
1084 2014-01-19 21:25:56 cr3pe has quit (Quit: leaving)
1085 2014-01-19 21:26:44 n0n0 has joined
1086 2014-01-19 21:31:15 CheckDavid has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1087 2014-01-19 21:33:41 tmsk_ has quit (Quit: tmsk_)
1088 2014-01-19 21:35:01 CheckDavid has joined
1089 2014-01-19 21:39:59 viperhr has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1090 2014-01-19 21:41:03 Blackreign has joined
1091 2014-01-19 21:43:25 ralphi has joined
1092 2014-01-19 21:43:25 ralphi has quit (Client Quit)
1093 2014-01-19 21:44:50 AusBitBank has joined
1094 2014-01-19 21:46:26 jdnavarro has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1095 2014-01-19 21:48:25 Namworld has joined
1096 2014-01-19 21:52:11 viperhr has joined
1097 2014-01-19 22:01:21 smash_ has joined
1098 2014-01-19 22:04:07 Guest30169 has joined
1099 2014-01-19 22:04:19 SwampTony has joined
1100 2014-01-19 22:04:23 damethos has quit (Quit: Bye)
1101 2014-01-19 22:05:48 smash_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1102 2014-01-19 22:06:05 damethos has joined
1103 2014-01-19 22:06:27 VinceSamios has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1104 2014-01-19 22:06:28 Application has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1105 2014-01-19 22:08:47 Guyver2 has quit (Quit: :))
1106 2014-01-19 22:08:54 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1107 2014-01-19 22:13:14 testnode9 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1108 2014-01-19 22:14:38 damethos has quit (Quit: Bye)
1109 2014-01-19 22:18:12 MolokoBot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1110 2014-01-19 22:18:21 hmmma has joined
1111 2014-01-19 22:18:30 MolokoBot has joined
1112 2014-01-19 22:18:59 smash_ has joined
1113 2014-01-19 22:21:16 drayah has joined
1114 2014-01-19 22:25:36 drayah has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1115 2014-01-19 22:26:14 testnode9 has joined
1116 2014-01-19 22:26:24 yubrew has quit ()
1117 2014-01-19 22:26:36 Guyver2 has joined
1118 2014-01-19 22:29:26 emowataji has joined
1119 2014-01-19 22:30:35 [Author] has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net)
1120 2014-01-19 22:30:55 [Author] has joined
1121 2014-01-19 22:33:56 MolokoBox has joined
1122 2014-01-19 22:37:02 MolokoBot has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1123 2014-01-19 22:37:42 Mikalv has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net)
1124 2014-01-19 22:38:29 Mikalv has joined
1125 2014-01-19 22:40:34 justanotheruser has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1126 2014-01-19 22:41:00 giustoXricordarv has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
1127 2014-01-19 22:42:36 AmLearning has joined
1128 2014-01-19 22:46:36 giustoXricordarv has joined
1129 2014-01-19 22:49:41 hoffmabc has joined
1130 2014-01-19 22:51:36 geneous has joined
1131 2014-01-19 22:54:53 justanotheruser has joined
1132 2014-01-19 22:55:26 Listen has joined
1133 2014-01-19 22:55:52 justanotheruser1 has joined
1134 2014-01-19 22:56:24 justanotheruser1 has quit (Changing host)
1135 2014-01-19 22:56:24 justanotheruser1 has joined
1136 2014-01-19 22:57:02 Luke-Jr has quit (Excess Flood)
1137 2014-01-19 22:57:20 Luke-Jr has joined
1138 2014-01-19 22:59:18 justanotheruser has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1139 2014-01-19 22:59:43 hoffmabc has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
1140 2014-01-19 23:00:50 Listen has quit (Quit: Page closed)
1141 2014-01-19 23:01:07 AmLearning has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1142 2014-01-19 23:02:11 rdymac has quit (Excess Flood)
1143 2014-01-19 23:02:47 ZG has joined
1144 2014-01-19 23:04:13 Guest30169 has left ()
1145 2014-01-19 23:04:42 SwampTony has joined
1146 2014-01-19 23:05:48 ielo has joined
1147 2014-01-19 23:06:42 ZG has quit (caktux!~caktux@dsl-173-248-230-158.acanac.net|Client Quit)
1148 2014-01-19 23:07:08 rdymac has joined
1149 2014-01-19 23:08:41 drayah has joined
1150 2014-01-19 23:09:16 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
1151 2014-01-19 23:09:41 ZG has joined
1152 2014-01-19 23:15:29 nessence has joined
1153 2014-01-19 23:16:41 hoffmabc has joined
1154 2014-01-19 23:20:56 hoffmabc has quit (Client Quit)
1155 2014-01-19 23:22:09 breesy has joined
1156 2014-01-19 23:22:52 LeAgente has joined
1157 2014-01-19 23:25:50 Snacks_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
1158 2014-01-19 23:26:07 Guyver2 has quit (Quit: :))
1159 2014-01-19 23:31:29 robonerd has joined
1160 2014-01-19 23:31:29 robonerd has quit (Changing host)
1161 2014-01-19 23:31:29 robonerd has joined
1162 2014-01-19 23:32:10 ZG has quit (caktux!~caktux@dsl-173-248-230-158.acanac.net|Quit: ZG|caktux)
1163 2014-01-19 23:32:16 drayah has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1164 2014-01-19 23:32:53 drayah has joined
1165 2014-01-19 23:34:05 n0n0 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1166 2014-01-19 23:35:44 AmLearning has joined
1167 2014-01-19 23:37:03 AmLearning has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1168 2014-01-19 23:37:15 drayah has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1169 2014-01-19 23:38:17 Coincourse has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1170 2014-01-19 23:39:51 justanotheruser has joined
1171 2014-01-19 23:42:50 justanotheruser1 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
1172 2014-01-19 23:43:45 daybyter has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
1173 2014-01-19 23:43:59 Grouver has quit (Quit:  HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference)
1174 2014-01-19 23:45:48 justanotheruser1 has joined
1175 2014-01-19 23:47:41 justanotheruser2 has joined
1176 2014-01-19 23:48:01 justanotheruser has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1177 2014-01-19 23:50:02 justanotheruser1 has quit (Read error: No route to host)
1178 2014-01-19 23:50:08 justanotheruser has joined
1179 2014-01-19 23:52:13 <sipa> ;;blocks
1180 2014-01-19 23:52:14 <gribble> 281389
1181 2014-01-19 23:52:42 justanotheruser2 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
1182 2014-01-19 23:54:58 justanotheruser has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
1183 2014-01-19 23:56:08 nomailing has quit (Quit: nomailing)
1184 2014-01-19 23:56:13 justanotheruser has joined
1185 2014-01-19 23:57:35 Blackreign has quit ()
1186 2014-01-19 23:58:52 ericmuyser has joined