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 244 2014-01-27 05:07:35 <jspilman> asking dev questions in #bitcoin - facepalm
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 250 2014-01-27 05:25:17 <andytoshi> jspilman: what do you mean by "less priv'd"? to even do createrawtransaction you need rpc
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 252 2014-01-27 05:26:43 <andytoshi> well, createrawtransaction i could do with my own code. but for usability reasons i need listunspent and getnewaddress to work.
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 254 2014-01-27 05:35:51 <jspilman> andytoshi: of course not, you can just broadcast a transaction, but for example no way to get a public key that way
 255 2014-01-27 05:36:02 <jspilman> preceisely
 256 2014-01-27 05:36:44 <jspilman> those are basically the minimum required commands to make an app of significance without touching the wallet
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 258 2014-01-27 05:37:11 <jspilman> or I should say, owning not touching
 259 2014-01-27 05:38:44 <jspilman> you could do some other interesting things, like send a payment request to bitcoind, but as you say, usability
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 265 2014-01-27 05:42:00 <jspilman> would you ever have / want a situation where you can query all the public data, list unspent and create receive points, you build the transaction but signing happens in bitcoind? almost like adding plugin support
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 358 2014-01-27 08:00:04 <brisque> aynstein: I've been using it for a while with no problems. it breaks p2pool, even if your payout address isn't in the associated node's wallet. easy fix though.
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 361 2014-01-27 08:01:04 <aynstein> brisque: Thats what I was going to ask next, I want to use it with a p2pool node
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 363 2014-01-27 08:01:33 <aynstein> brisque: whats the fix?
 364 2014-01-27 08:01:52 <brisque> aynstein: https://github.com/forrestv/p2pool/pull/148
 365 2014-01-27 08:02:36 <aynstein> Thank you!
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 369 2014-01-27 08:04:20 <aynstein> Now I am very confused. Is there a simple answer to why using the genesis block fixes this?
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 371 2014-01-27 08:05:30 <brisque> it's just a sanity check to see if bitcoind is alive. the patch just changes it to something which exists when the wallet is disabled.
 372 2014-01-27 08:06:04 <aynstein> Ahh, now that is far less scary then I was expecting :)
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 374 2014-01-27 08:06:41 <aynstein> BTW, thanks for the info on the block difficulty calculations, gave me hours of frustration and entertainment all rolled into one!!
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 382 2014-01-27 08:15:52 <skruffy[]> Hi folks
 383 2014-01-27 08:16:17 <skruffy[]> Do you care about proper ASLR for window binaries?
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 390 2014-01-27 08:20:20 <SomeoneWeird> skruffy[], I'm sure they probably do, is there something broken?
 391 2014-01-27 08:21:21 <skruffy[]> ld skips reloc section during linking for exe, windows loader can't to change base addr if no relocations.
 392 2014-01-27 08:23:38 <SomeoneWeird> hrm, right
 393 2014-01-27 08:23:41 <SomeoneWeird> open an issue on github
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 399 2014-01-27 08:33:36 <wumpus> skruffy[]: some flag needs to be passed to the linker to avoid that?
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 401 2014-01-27 08:35:00 <wumpus> I had to add -fPIC for some of the dependencies to make pie work on x64 for linux
 402 2014-01-27 08:35:23 <wumpus> but the idea of PIC is that no relocations are needed and the code is just relocatable, but windows may be different
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 407 2014-01-27 08:38:45 <skruffy[]> -fPIC not support by pe target for gcc
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 409 2014-01-27 08:39:00 <wumpus> then what should be provided?
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 411 2014-01-27 08:39:51 <skruffy[]> -pie creates reloc section but broken exe with wrong entry point and waste export table
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 414 2014-01-27 08:40:23 <wumpus> right, it's only worth doing if it doesn't break the output
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 416 2014-01-27 08:40:32 <skruffy[]> --export-all-symbols creates working exe with reloc section but export ALL symbols.
 417 2014-01-27 08:40:37 <wumpus> bleh
 418 2014-01-27 08:40:41 <skruffy[]> ls patch needs.
 419 2014-01-27 08:40:46 <skruffy[]> *ld
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 421 2014-01-27 08:43:03 <wumpus> is there a patch for upstream mingw-w64?
 422 2014-01-27 08:43:25 <skruffy[]> mingw not writes binutils
 423 2014-01-27 08:43:34 <skruffy[]> why to patch mingw?
 424 2014-01-27 08:44:03 <wumpus> I don't want to argue semantics, it's part of the mingw-w64 cross compile chain
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 432 2014-01-27 08:49:53 <wumpus> likely in the future we will switch gitian to build the entire toolchain from scratch, so in that case we could apply patches to the compiler or binutils as well, but that's not currently possible
 433 2014-01-27 08:50:19 <wumpus> you're still welcome to file an issue though with a link to the patch, so it can be picked up then
 434 2014-01-27 08:50:21 <skruffy[]> http://pastebin.com/HaVCuH2D some version of patch that adds new option to create reloc section.
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 637 2014-01-27 12:45:31 <wallet42> is a transaction that has 2 outputs to the same address valid?
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 641 2014-01-27 12:47:27 <sipa> yes
 642 2014-01-27 12:47:31 <wallet42> crafting such a tx with bitcoind is not possible afaik since the destinations is a json key-value. but would it be a valid transaction? and if yes how will it be listet in listtransactions.
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 644 2014-01-27 12:50:34 <sipa> you can try it with createrawtransaction :)
 645 2014-01-27 12:51:09 <wallet42> no you cant since createrawtransaction takes a {"address": 1} json hashmap
 646 2014-01-27 12:51:29 <wallet42> so the keys would overwright each other (imo)
 647 2014-01-27 12:52:12 <gavinandresen> wallet42: yes.  Why do you want to have 2 outputs to the same address?  What are you trying to accomplish?  Or just curious?
 648 2014-01-27 12:52:22 <wallet42> i dont want to ^^
 649 2014-01-27 12:53:22 <wallet42> it would complicate things for my project where i try to have a unique compound pk on txid-account
 650 2014-01-27 12:53:39 <wallet42> for the received funds
 651 2014-01-27 12:53:59 <sipa> oh, right, you'll need to construct the transaction by hand
 652 2014-01-27 12:54:09 <sipa> but you can still use signrawtransaction to sign it, iirc
 653 2014-01-27 12:54:16 <gavinandresen> if you want to test, you could createrawtransaction with two addresses, and then just replace the 20 bytes of the second address hash with the first.  signrawtransaction will (I think-- not sure it was ever tested) sign it
 654 2014-01-27 12:54:33 <wallet42> okay so it is very unlikly this will be an issue
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 656 2014-01-27 12:54:53 <wallet42> and the user only hurt himself if i only credit 1 output
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 658 2014-01-27 12:55:05 <freewil> wallet42, thats what i would do
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 660 2014-01-27 12:55:24 <freewil> worst case scenario you have to do some sort of manual adjustment to increase the credit
 661 2014-01-27 12:56:11 <wallet42> thx!
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 663 2014-01-27 12:57:13 <gavinandresen> wallet42: that feels like the kind of decision you might very much regret if your project is successful
 664 2014-01-27 12:57:59 <gavinandresen> wallet42: if coinjoin or some other merge-transactions-together privacy technique gets popular you might find your customers complaining if they lose money because you can't handle one transaction paying to an address twice
 665 2014-01-27 12:59:12 <freewil> that's a good point
 666 2014-01-27 12:59:26 <freewil> alternatively you could add the tx output index to the compound pk
 667 2014-01-27 12:59:51 <wallet42> gavinandresen: how would it look like in listtransactions ? i think i simply sum the recieve funds group by txid-account and still have 1 row in the db
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 669 2014-01-27 13:01:51 <sipa> wallet42: you should see it as separate entries in listtransactions
 670 2014-01-27 13:03:51 <wallet42> ok then i sum these and credit in 1 row. it seems to me to be a very unlikely case since you cannot even create it without tricks like replacing a placeholder address
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 672 2014-01-27 13:05:24 <wallet42> another question is: i would like to use listsinceblock in a cronjob that credits all the receive txs, then saves the "lastblock" in cache and runs every minute or so. but what happens if there is a reorg and "lastblock" becomes an orphan?
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 731 2014-01-27 14:26:51 <gavinandresen> wallet42: if you are crediting 1-confirmation transactions, then you must realize that a re-org has happened and possibly un-credit them.  You could notice by calling getblockhash <height> and seeing if that is still the block you cached.  If not… then you've got work to do to figure out if the re-org invalidated any transactions that were confirmed before.
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 733 2014-01-27 14:28:40 <TD> hey gavin
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 977 2014-01-27 18:40:51 <nsokl> hi guys, forgive me if this is the wrong channel for this. I have a raw multisig transaction (BBE dump is at http://pastebin.com/qZMNng02) that I need to sign in bitcoinjs-lib (the unsigned txn was produced on the server side and I need to sign it with the privkey on the webclient). It's a bit of an odd txn (actually it encodes metadata ito the 2nd pubkey in the multisig txout)...  unfortunately the libbitcoin-js code and functions i'
 978 2014-01-27 18:40:52 <nsokl> ve found assume a txin with a script set.. I am a bitcoin dev newbie, so in this odd case, I'm not sure the process. bitcoind's signrawtransaction will sign it (and it's ready and valid for broadcast if the privkey were in the wallet), but I'm not sure what the process is here, given I need to sign it in JS client side. any pointers would be more than welcome!!
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 985 2014-01-27 18:45:07 <kuzetsa> I think this is a strange error to get while compiling the source tarball from https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/archive/v0.8.6.tar.gz ---> (quote / error message during compile)  ["   fatal: Not a git repository (or any parent up to mount point /var/tmp) Stopping at filesystem boundary (GIT_DISCOVERY_ACROSS_FILESYSTEM not set).   "]
 986 2014-01-27 18:45:18 <nsokl> moreover, if I pass it through bitcoind's signrawtransaction (where the privkey is not in the wallet, of course), I get back a modified output that has a "script" field in txout 0. I'm not sure if I should be signing and working with that, or with the original raw txn
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 991 2014-01-27 18:46:07 <kuzetsa> it works fine with the v0.8.5 tarball located in the same folder onthe github repo for bitcoin
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 995 2014-01-27 18:49:43 <midnightmagic> kuzetsa: It's simpler to grab the entire repository and then checkout the tag.
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 997 2014-01-27 18:52:38 <kuzetsa> midnightmagic: all I did to get this error was this:
 998 2014-01-27 18:52:43 <kuzetsa> emerge bitcoind --verbose --ask
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1001 2014-01-27 18:54:35 <kuzetsa> and /usr/portage/net-p2p/bitcoind/bitcoind-0.8.6.ebuild (( the official package on gentoo )) pulls from https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/archive/v0.8.6.tar.gz
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1003 2014-01-27 18:54:59 <kuzetsa> because gentoo doesn't force users to have git when installing packages if a source tarball for a stable, known version is available
1004 2014-01-27 18:55:12 <midnightmagic> kuzetsa: Ah, I see. Sorry I thought you were just doing it manually.
1005 2014-01-27 18:55:44 <kuzetsa> no worries
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1008 2014-01-27 18:56:50 <kuzetsa> I wonder if this is related to why gentoo still has bitcoind version 0.8.6 still marked as unstable / testing and 0.8.5 marked as stable
1009 2014-01-27 18:58:48 <kuzetsa> I'm running on gentoo stable, only reason 0.8.6 was building is that I manually unmasked it to see if it would upgrade me from 0.8.5 to 0.8.6 with my otherwise stable system (very few exceptions from gentoo's stable branch, and none of the exceptions are core libraries or build dependancies)
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1016 2014-01-27 19:03:28 <kuzetsa> removed the line: ["    =net-p2p/bitcoind-0.8.6 ~x86    "] from my /etc/portage/package.keywords and it reverted to the known stable (bitcoin 0.8.5) so all is well I guess
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1019 2014-01-27 19:04:06 <kuzetsa> that GIT_DISCOVERY_ACROSS_FILESYSTEM thing looked like potentially a red herring / false positive for the source of the error though
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1026 2014-01-27 19:04:59 <kuzetsa> I did some digging, and it looks like smtp suggested thought that error message could be misleading and mess up the debug process ---> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129861.msg1453060#msg1453060
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1029 2014-01-27 19:05:33 <kuzetsa> the wording "fatal" implies that a condition is blocking a successful build
1030 2014-01-27 19:05:51 <kuzetsa> so I assumed that it was related to my being unable to build
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1036 2014-01-27 19:10:46 <kuzetsa> https://gist.github.com/kuzetsa/8655171#file-gistfile1-txt-L31 <--- build log, error in question on or around line #31
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1039 2014-01-27 19:13:03 <sipa> kuzetsa: that's just git describe failing because you're not building from within a git repo
1040 2014-01-27 19:13:11 <sipa> it shouldn't prevent building
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1048 2014-01-27 19:17:33 <kuzetsa> sipa: yeah well... like I said, all I did was type: "emerge bitcoind --verbose --ask" and that was the result *shrugs*
1049 2014-01-27 19:17:47 <sipa> well, i have no clue what the gentoo ebuild is doing
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1051 2014-01-27 19:17:58 <kuzetsa> uhh
1052 2014-01-27 19:18:09 <sipa> go tell the person who's doing that
1053 2014-01-27 19:18:12 <kuzetsa> heh
1054 2014-01-27 19:18:22 <kuzetsa> the ebuild does the exact same thing as 0.8.5 ebuild
1055 2014-01-27 19:18:39 <sipa> strange, very little changed
1056 2014-01-27 19:18:40 <kuzetsa> only difference is pulling the 0.8.6 tarball instead
1057 2014-01-27 19:18:44 <kuzetsa> indeed
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1060 2014-01-27 19:22:03 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, ^
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1066 2014-01-27 19:23:05 <kuzetsa> I have git installed on this system, but only because I use it for building windows binaries (mingw target / gentoo crossdev) for cgminer
1067 2014-01-27 19:23:55 <kuzetsa> it just doesn't seem like it should be neccessary to manually use git to pull the source and build and install a package on gentoo
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1074 2014-01-27 19:33:21 <gjs278> kuzetsa: it isn't
1075 2014-01-27 19:33:29 <gjs278> I emerge bitcoind without those errors all the time
1076 2014-01-27 19:33:41 <sipa> kuzetsa: git is not necessary
1077 2014-01-27 19:33:42 <gjs278> can't tell you what's wrong with yours though, but it should work with nothing more than emerge bitcoind
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1079 2014-01-27 19:34:00 <sipa> kuzetsa: but the build process *tries* to use git to find what version the current code is
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1083 2014-01-27 19:35:12 <gjs278> kuzetsa: I tried it just now and I get all the same warnings and messages you do, but my compile completed
1084 2014-01-27 19:35:29 <gjs278> that fatal git error message was there as well, but it still finished fine
1085 2014-01-27 19:36:05 <sipa> oh, internal compile error
1086 2014-01-27 19:36:11 <sipa> buggy compiler
1087 2014-01-27 19:36:14 <sipa> or perhaps OOM
1088 2014-01-27 19:36:16 <gjs278> indeed
1089 2014-01-27 19:36:24 <sipa> the git warning has nothing to do sith it
1090 2014-01-27 19:36:43 <gjs278> gcc version 4.8.2 was able to finish the compile on gentoo here, but this is x64 not x86
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1113 2014-01-27 19:57:17 <kuzetsa> [14:25:30] <gjs278> gcc version 4.8.2 was able to finish the compile on gentoo here, but this is x64 not x86
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1115 2014-01-27 19:57:25 <kuzetsa> sorry, was AFK figuring out brunch
1116 2014-01-27 19:57:34 <kuzetsa> my build system is x86
1117 2014-01-27 19:58:01 <sipa> kuzetsa: how much RAM do you have free?
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1122 2014-01-27 19:59:18 <kuzetsa> "cached" is at: 598304
1123 2014-01-27 19:59:35 <kuzetsa> free swap is at 2609480
1124 2014-01-27 20:00:01 <kuzetsa> (total swap is 2621436, total physical ram is 1030068)
1125 2014-01-27 20:00:07 <sipa> and how much actually free :)
1126 2014-01-27 20:00:11 <kuzetsa> heh
1127 2014-01-27 20:00:22 <sipa> i think your compiler just OOMed
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1129 2014-01-27 20:00:45 <kuzetsa> 18908 "free" and but counting buffers / cache is @ 625144
1130 2014-01-27 20:01:37 <kuzetsa> it seems strange that I can compile the linux kernel itself, rebuild new versions of gcc (for new cross compile targets or otherwise) but bitcoind can't compile because OOM
1131 2014-01-27 20:02:32 <sipa> heh, C++ compilation - especially with tons of stuff in headers as bitcoin does - requires orders of magnitude more memory than C compilation
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1133 2014-01-27 20:02:59 <kuzetsa> :(
1134 2014-01-27 20:03:20 <kuzetsa> wait... gcc 4.8.2 uses c++ as the implementatino language though
1135 2014-01-27 20:04:13 <sipa> all depends on how templated the code is
1136 2014-01-27 20:04:15 <kuzetsa> and I can compile gcc itself just fine and the source packages and binary excecutable outputs for gcc are much larger than bitcoin's
1137 2014-01-27 20:04:27 <sipa> the executable size isn't relevant
1138 2014-01-27 20:04:50 <sipa> bitcoin really just isn't written for efficient compilation
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1141 2014-01-27 20:06:03 <phantomcircuit> sipa, quite possibly the understatement of the month
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1147 2014-01-27 20:10:37 <kuzetsa> hmm
1148 2014-01-27 20:11:02 <sipa> my gcc processes often reach 400-600 MB
1149 2014-01-27 20:11:20 <kuzetsa> so free ram + swap in excess of 2 GB isn't enough to compile bitcoin?
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1152 2014-01-27 20:11:46 <jgarzik> well RAM matters, not swap
1153 2014-01-27 20:11:56 <kuzetsa> weird
1154 2014-01-27 20:11:59 <sipa> technically, virtual memory is all that matters
1155 2014-01-27 20:12:00 <jcorgan> lol.  try gnuradio; until we took steps to lower it, we once had a working set of 1.7G RAM needed
1156 2014-01-27 20:12:00 <jgarzik> you can get into swap death, where progress is so slow it takes days
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1158 2014-01-27 20:12:22 <sipa> jgarzik: yes, but it dies; it doesn't trash
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1161 2014-01-27 20:12:36 <kuzetsa> jgarzik: 1 gig ram, but the storage layer is SSD-backed
1162 2014-01-27 20:12:41 <sipa> kuzetsa: are you building in parallel?
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1167 2014-01-27 20:12:56 <kuzetsa> sipa: oh, reduce the jobs to like 1 or something?
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1169 2014-01-27 20:13:23 <jgarzik> yeah, don't build in parallel, for one
1170 2014-01-27 20:13:46 <kuzetsa> make -j12 works fine for me for most things
1171 2014-01-27 20:13:50 <sipa> lol
1172 2014-01-27 20:14:01 <kuzetsa> I'll reduce it to -j3
1173 2014-01-27 20:14:04 <sipa> bitcoin with -j6 kills my 8 GiB RAM laptop
1174 2014-01-27 20:14:08 <kuzetsa> whaaat?
1175 2014-01-27 20:14:21 <kuzetsa> buh
1176 2014-01-27 20:14:32 <sipa> with 1 GiB ram, i suggest -j1 or -j2 maybe
1177 2014-01-27 20:14:43 <kuzetsa> I'll try -j1
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1181 2014-01-27 20:21:28 <kuzetsa> there, I set up an environment variable override thingy to disable makeopts -j12 in favor of -j1 for certain packages, and applied it for bitcoind since it's the first thing I've ever had trouble building at -j12
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1183 2014-01-27 20:24:28 <gjs278> j12 how many cores do you even have
1184 2014-01-27 20:24:44 <gjs278> I have 6 cores and I only j12 if I'm not using ck patches
1185 2014-01-27 20:24:52 <gjs278> but I also have 24gb of ram
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1187 2014-01-27 20:26:12 <jgarzik> a few other packages -- libreoffice, maybe?  trying to remember from RH days -- have huge C++ codebases, and they regularly killed the standard MAKEOPTS parallel build settings the RPM build bots did
1188 2014-01-27 20:26:50 <jgarzik> all these templates, N copies of the same damn algorithm
1189 2014-01-27 20:27:09 <jgarzik> C++ was secretly funded by DRAM manufacturers, I'm convinced
1190 2014-01-27 20:27:18 <jcorgan> lol
1191 2014-01-27 20:28:13 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, swap matters if you're using -j
1192 2014-01-27 20:29:17 <phantomcircuit> kuzetsa, you'll get a much better improvement by using ccache
1193 2014-01-27 20:29:19 <kuzetsa> gjs278: the system I use for buidling has 2x intel xeon E5-2670 (so 16 physical cores, 32 threads since hyperthreading really does do what it was designed for and improve concurrency & utilization)
1194 2014-01-27 20:29:38 <gjs278> but it only has 2gb of ram?
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1198 2014-01-27 20:30:17 <gjs278> yeah that's what I thought when I read 2670
1199 2014-01-27 20:30:45 <kuzetsa> the xen instance I'm using for compiling only has 1 gig ram, but the storage array is SSD backed & most disk IO actually hits the ram on the dom0 hypervisor instead of physical disk anyway when I use swap
1200 2014-01-27 20:31:16 <gjs278> you can't "share" memory between xen instances with pure ram?
1201 2014-01-27 20:31:21 <sipa> well, -j12 will certainly need more than a few GB for compiling
1202 2014-01-27 20:31:31 <kuzetsa> heh
1203 2014-01-27 20:31:38 <kuzetsa> whatever
1204 2014-01-27 20:31:55 <gjs278> if your swap is high enough I think it would work
1205 2014-01-27 20:31:56 <kuzetsa> I'm cpu bottlenecked / limited not ram most of the time no matter what I build
1206 2014-01-27 20:32:06 <kuzetsa> bitcoin is the only thing I ever had issues with before today
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1208 2014-01-27 20:32:22 <kuzetsa> (it built successfully now BTW, thanks for suggesting -j1 for debugging my issue)
1209 2014-01-27 20:32:30 <gjs278> oh nice
1210 2014-01-27 20:32:35 <sipa> good to hear
1211 2014-01-27 20:33:02 <kuzetsa> getinfo now says "version" : 80600
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1213 2014-01-27 20:33:11 <kuzetsa> I'm assuming that's right :)
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1215 2014-01-27 20:33:41 <gjs278> it is
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1219 2014-01-27 20:38:26 <kuzetsa> http://libusbx.org/ <--- (quote) "...As of 2014.01.26, this project has been fully merged back into libusb and is being discontinued."
1220 2014-01-27 20:38:48 <kuzetsa> err... nevermind that, it was meant for a different channel (related to development of mining stuff)
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1222 2014-01-27 20:42:06 <kuzetsa> WRT the "getinfo" thing I just did, I still find it frustrating that (   "subver" : "/Satoshi:0.8.6/",   ) shows up on getpeerinfo on a remote, attached node (and is human readable) but getinfo only reports the less nicely formatted (   "version" : 80600   )
1223 2014-01-27 20:42:37 <kuzetsa> (I felt the need just now to test using getpeerinfo from a remote node as a sanity test)
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1225 2014-01-27 20:43:25 <kuzetsa> waaaait a sec
1226 2014-01-27 20:43:27 <kuzetsa> this is a mismatch
1227 2014-01-27 20:43:39 <kuzetsa> getinfo on the local bitcoind said 80600
1228 2014-01-27 20:43:55 <kuzetsa> but getpeerinfo to check remotely said (   "version" : 70001,   )
1229 2014-01-27 20:44:08 <sipa> that's the protocol version
1230 2014-01-27 20:44:11 <sipa> not the client version
1231 2014-01-27 20:44:20 <kuzetsa> ...
1232 2014-01-27 20:44:24 <sipa> since somewhere 0.6 or so they are not linked anymore
1233 2014-01-27 20:44:36 <sipa> getinfo should also report protocolversion 70001
1234 2014-01-27 20:45:02 <kuzetsa> ah, so it does
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1236 2014-01-27 20:45:07 <kuzetsa> thanks for clearing that up
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1239 2014-01-27 20:47:22 * kuzetsa nudges some used chewing gum out of the way and sticks some more duct tape and twine on the local notes about bitcoin's internal structure and codebase to try and tidy things up a bit, and accidentally misplaces and drops in last week's obsolete grocery list and a few copper coins
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1241 2014-01-27 20:47:36 <kuzetsa> (I can't keep track of it all anymore)
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1243 2014-01-27 20:48:48 <maaku> current bitcoin source tree is pretty clean imho
1244 2014-01-27 20:48:57 <maaku> didn't used to be
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1247 2014-01-27 20:51:49 <sipa> main/net are still a mess with unclear abstractions and responsibilities
1248 2014-01-27 20:52:58 <jcorgan> it's better, but there are well-known code organization practices that could make things cleaner and faster to compile, yet i'm afraid it would be considered "bike shedding"
1249 2014-01-27 20:53:30 <gavinandresen> every change has risk associated, if only the risk that the time it takes us to code review means we don't do something more important
1250 2014-01-27 20:53:47 <gavinandresen> … so do cleanups as you FIX something, please, don't cleanup for cleanups sake
1251 2014-01-27 20:54:22 <jgarzik> current codebase is a _lot_ better than it used to be
1252 2014-01-27 20:54:29 <jcorgan> agree
1253 2014-01-27 20:54:33 <jgarzik> sipa, agree
1254 2014-01-27 20:55:49 <sipa> well, i'm sure we all remember the time when wallet/protocol/core/keystore/mining/version/alert/addrman/txmempool were inside main...
1255 2014-01-27 20:56:23 <sipa> then again, i'm not sure main is actually shorter in number of lines of code than then...
1256 2014-01-27 20:56:29 <gavinandresen> lol
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1261 2014-01-27 21:02:52 <sipa> ok, did a build from scratch while monitoring the size of the forked cc1plus processes
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1263 2014-01-27 21:03:02 <sipa> a total of 108 (?!) were run
1264 2014-01-27 21:03:38 <sipa> and they require over 4 GiB of RAM all together
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1266 2014-01-27 21:03:42 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, right which is why i haven't pushed for fixing IsConfirmed
1267 2014-01-27 21:03:54 <sipa> phantomcircuit: i really want to get vtxPrev fixed
1268 2014-01-27 21:03:55 <phantomcircuit> afaict there is some behaviour that only works correctly when it's broken
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1270 2014-01-27 21:04:16 <phantomcircuit> sipa, i can submit a patch that removes vtxPrev without trying to fix the IsConfirmed logic
1271 2014-01-27 21:04:51 <phantomcircuit> im just not sure if there is anything else that works because that doesn't
1272 2014-01-27 21:04:56 <sipa> i am unconvinced there is a problem with it
1273 2014-01-27 21:05:20 <phantomcircuit> the behavior of the getbalance rpc call is bizarre with edge cases
1274 2014-01-27 21:05:26 <sipa> it is
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1276 2014-01-27 21:05:31 <phantomcircuit> it can actually display a negative balance if you send payments to yourself
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1279 2014-01-27 21:07:27 <sipa> phantomcircuit: given that the only things that *can* end up in vtxPrev, are things that are in your own wallet
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1281 2014-01-27 21:07:56 <phantomcircuit> sipa, right
1282 2014-01-27 21:07:57 <sipa> would it make sense to keep the current processing in IsConfirmed, but have it pull from mapWallet instead of from vtxPrev?
1283 2014-01-27 21:08:12 <sipa> i am unconvinced it makes a difference
1284 2014-01-27 21:08:14 <phantomcircuit> that's actually what my patch currently does
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1286 2014-01-27 21:09:06 <sipa> oh!
1287 2014-01-27 21:09:07 <phantomcircuit> sipa, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2966
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1289 2014-01-27 21:10:44 <phantomcircuit> sipa, it also fixes the behavior of relaytransaction
1290 2014-01-27 21:11:11 <sipa> ewww, a CWalletTx in main
1291 2014-01-27 21:11:18 <sipa> that looks wrong
1292 2014-01-27 21:11:40 <phantomcircuit> sipa, yeah im sure it is
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1298 2014-01-27 21:16:59 <phantomcircuit> sipa, the ListUnconfirmedSupportingTransactions function could be improved significantly by pulling from the mempool
1299 2014-01-27 21:17:12 <phantomcircuit> it would then be a fairly complete snapshot of what the client knows
1300 2014-01-27 21:17:40 <phantomcircuit> either way the code needs to be reviewed and probably CWalletTx parts of it moved into the proper file
1301 2014-01-27 21:17:54 <phantomcircuit> and i just dont have time to do that
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1306 2014-01-27 21:20:54 <sipa> phantomcircuit: as only wallet transactions can enter vtxPrev, and wallet transactions are never forgotten, just replacing every lookup of vtxPrev by finding inputs in the wallet itself, should have 0 impact
1307 2014-01-27 21:20:57 <gfawkes__> so now that man-in-the-middle attacks have been proven to be viable at least by the state level, is there now any importance on fixing that for bitcoin? probably not.
1308 2014-01-27 21:21:13 <sipa> gfawkes__: what MitM are you talking about?
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1310 2014-01-27 21:21:29 <sipa> gfawkes__: bitcoin p2p is not encrypted or authenticated, there is nothing to mitm
1311 2014-01-27 21:21:39 <jgarzik> gfawkes__, Don't be ridiculous.  Users are targeted far more often by non-state-level bad guys.
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1315 2014-01-27 21:21:57 <phantomcircuit> sipa, right, but IsConfirmed's insane fractal whatever run time effectively limits how screwed up getbalance can be relative to outputs
1316 2014-01-27 21:22:08 <phantomcircuit> it's still wrong but not quite as bad
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1318 2014-01-27 21:22:17 <sipa> phantomcircuit: adding the mempool into view would improve certain decisions perhaps, but it shouldn't be necessary to retain current behaviour
1319 2014-01-27 21:22:36 <gfawkes__> i privately informed folks back in 2011, id prefer not to publicly announce it, and no there have been no release notes about it
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1321 2014-01-27 21:22:53 <phantomcircuit> sipa, im not sure if there is anything else where the logic breaks if IsConfirmed starts working properly for unconfirmed txs
1322 2014-01-27 21:23:01 <phantomcircuit> as it stands it basically never works
1323 2014-01-27 21:23:39 <gavinandresen> gfawkes__: we have no idea what you're talking about, unless you're talking about MITM'ing bitcoin addresses sent over insecure channels like email
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1325 2014-01-27 21:23:55 <gavinandresen> gfawkes__: … in which case the payment protocol will fix those attacks.
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1327 2014-01-27 21:24:34 <sipa> phantomcircuit: IsConfirmed can already return true for unconfirmed transactions, namely if they are from yourself
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1329 2014-01-27 21:25:20 <phantomcircuit> sipa, right but the runtime performance for IsConfirmed with unconfirmed transactions of any complexity is so attrocious that i doubt that happens very frequently
1330 2014-01-27 21:25:35 <phantomcircuit> the getbalance logic only breaks when you're spending your own unconfirmed transactions
1331 2014-01-27 21:25:49 <phantomcircuit> which is exactly the case where IsConfirmed takes approximately forever to run
1332 2014-01-27 21:26:05 <sipa> phantomcircuit: plan: 1) remove vtxPrev and replace it with wallet lookups (just save memory and wallet size)
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1335 2014-01-27 21:26:40 <sipa> phantomcircuit: 2) make IsConfirmed use a cache so every transaction is at most evaluated once
1336 2014-01-27 21:26:55 <phantomcircuit> sipa, i believe it would be safer to remove the unconfirmed tx logic in IsConfirmed
1337 2014-01-27 21:26:58 <gfawkes__> anyway, thats the last time i report it privately, we'll see what happens
1338 2014-01-27 21:27:10 <phantomcircuit> then we could add it back as a separate pull request
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1343 2014-01-27 21:28:13 <sipa> phantomcircuit: 3) (potentially) make it use mempool data to form a better conclusion
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1345 2014-01-27 21:28:41 <sipa> phantomcircuit: being able to spend your own unconfirmed balance is a pretty important feature
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1349 2014-01-27 21:30:37 <phantomcircuit> sipa, right, but is that dependent on IsConfirmed working?
1350 2014-01-27 21:30:49 <sipa> i believe so
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1375 2014-01-27 21:47:08 <Subo1977> wieviel connections habt iihr bei euren hidden service?
1376 2014-01-27 21:47:37 <sipa> english please
1377 2014-01-27 21:48:06 <sipa> and it seems i have 85 (WTF??) onion connections
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1381 2014-01-27 21:51:49 <Subo1977> sorry sipa. oh i got only 20 after 24 hours
1382 2014-01-27 21:52:22 <Subo1977> i would post the question in -de queue
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1443 2014-01-27 22:50:41 <Luke-Jr> kuzetsa: the build error there is a GCC crash. broken GCC is not something we can deal with here
1444 2014-01-27 22:50:59 <Luke-Jr> i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++: internal compiler error: Killed (program cc1plus)
1445 2014-01-27 22:51:06 <Luke-Jr> otoh, that might just be OOM killer too
1446 2014-01-27 22:51:09 <gjs278> it was
1447 2014-01-27 22:51:17 <Luke-Jr> k
1448 2014-01-27 22:51:19 <gjs278> he solved it by lowering his jobs
1449 2014-01-27 22:51:26 <Ry4an> heh
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1493 2014-01-27 23:11:49 <phantomcircuit> sipa, hmm you're right
1494 2014-01-27 23:11:58 <phantomcircuit> ok well in that case my current solution is optimal
1495 2014-01-27 23:12:09 <phantomcircuit> getbalance should be fixed with another pull request
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1498 2014-01-27 23:12:22 <sipa> phantomcircuit: mind if i try implementing it?
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1504 2014-01-27 23:15:48 <sipa> phantomcircuit: just getting rid of vtxPrev seems very simple
1505 2014-01-27 23:16:49 <phantomcircuit> sipa, no of course not
1506 2014-01-27 23:16:52 <phantomcircuit> have at it
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1508 2014-01-27 23:17:58 <sipa> there are 3 places where vtxPrev is used: IsConfirmed, Relaying and Reaccepting
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1512 2014-01-27 23:18:59 <phantomcircuit> sipa, reaccepting?
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1514 2014-01-27 23:20:15 <sipa> phantomcircuit: push missing wallet transactions to mempool
1515 2014-01-27 23:20:38 <phantomcircuit> CWalletTx::AcceptWalletTransaction ?
1516 2014-01-27 23:20:38 <sipa> and finding spent coins
1517 2014-01-27 23:20:51 <sipa> yeah, it's only called from ReacceptWalletTransactions
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1519 2014-01-27 23:21:23 * Luke-Jr was pleasantly surprised to see CodeShark and BlueMatt in Miami. :>
1520 2014-01-27 23:21:29 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: where were you⁈ :P
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1522 2014-01-27 23:22:37 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, working :(
1523 2014-01-27 23:22:49 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: all your coworkers made it <.<
1524 2014-01-27 23:22:59 <phantomcircuit> yeah they dont actually do any real work
1525 2014-01-27 23:23:03 <phantomcircuit> (i didn't say that)
1526 2014-01-27 23:23:16 <Luke-Jr> lol
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1532 2014-01-27 23:31:06 <sipa> phantomcircuit: ummm... this code has not worked since 0.8.0
1533 2014-01-27 23:31:11 <sipa> typo by me
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1535 2014-01-27 23:31:45 <phantomcircuit> sipa, you mean the patch i have?
1536 2014-01-27 23:31:45 <sipa> if (!mempool.exists(hash) && pcoinsTip->HaveCoins(hash)) tx.AcceptToMemoryPool(false);
1537 2014-01-27 23:31:52 <sipa> no, current master
1538 2014-01-27 23:31:56 <phantomcircuit> oh
1539 2014-01-27 23:32:01 <phantomcircuit> where is that?
1540 2014-01-27 23:32:16 <sipa> so if a transaction is NOT in the memory, but IS in the blockchain, then we attempt to add it to the memory pool...
1541 2014-01-27 23:32:25 <phantomcircuit> lol
1542 2014-01-27 23:32:28 <sipa> 0.7.2 had an extra !
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1545 2014-01-27 23:33:26 * sipa doubts: delete or fix
1546 2014-01-27 23:33:41 <phantomcircuit> 722fa283 (Pieter Wuille            2013-10-19 18:42:14 +0200  807)                 if (!mempool.exists(hash) && pcoinsTip->HaveCoins(hash))
1547 2014-01-27 23:33:43 <phantomcircuit> :X
1548 2014-01-27 23:33:53 <sipa> 00:19:57 < sipa> typo by me
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1550 2014-01-27 23:34:41 <phantomcircuit> i believe my current patch handles that
1551 2014-01-27 23:34:49 <phantomcircuit> it gets a list of the unconfirmed supporting transaction
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1553 2014-01-27 23:34:52 <phantomcircuit> and tries to add those
1554 2014-01-27 23:35:20 <phantomcircuit> ListUnconfirmedSupportingTransactions is actually fairly useful in a bunch of places
1555 2014-01-27 23:35:30 <sipa> yup, those 3
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