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  11 2014-02-01 00:14:50 <mappum> if i have tx-index=1 on bitcoind, is it fast at looking up any random transaction? or am i better off storing them in my own db?
  12 2014-02-01 00:15:20 <sipa> bitcoind is generally not very fast at processing RPCs, especially multiple at once
  13 2014-02-01 00:15:30 <sipa> but actually looking up transactions becomes fast with it, yes
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  15 2014-02-01 00:17:29 <mappum> well i'm doing all the wallet management stuff outside of that, should that solve some things? it's only doing a lot of RPCs at the beginning when it scans for tx's
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  19 2014-02-01 00:19:34 <sipa> you're probably much better off using one the bitcoin p2p libraries that let you receive the transactions directly
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  55 2014-02-01 01:35:03 <iateadonut> hi.  i'm wondering how do i find total reciepts for any address from the command line?
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  75 2014-02-01 02:40:35 <alex_fun> is this  if (dAmount <= 0.0 || dAmount > 21000000.0) function serves as hard limit of coins?
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 173 2014-02-01 05:51:47 <iateadonut> hi - what's the best langauge to write a transaction analyzer in?
 174 2014-02-01 05:52:02 <iateadonut> i'm looking at primecoin right now, but it's the same as bitcoin.
 175 2014-02-01 05:52:24 <iateadonut> i'm wondering what language can respond to immediate changes in the block database
 176 2014-02-01 05:52:37 <iateadonut> what language can immediately respond
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 179 2014-02-01 06:00:38 <Burrito> I've seen a few blockchain analysers pop up which are written in Go
 180 2014-02-01 06:00:42 <Burrito> I guess Go is fast or something
 181 2014-02-01 06:01:14 <Burrito> By a few, I mean less than 5 >_<
 182 2014-02-01 06:02:21 <Burrito> http://thomassileo.com/blog/2013/12/17/parsing-the-bitcoin-block-chain-with-go-language-using-gocoin/
 183 2014-02-01 06:02:36 <Burrito> "It's faster to process raw blocks (blkxxxx.dat files) directly than calling bitcoind RPC API, and Go is fast enough for the job."
 184 2014-02-01 06:02:40 <Burrito> iateadonut, ^
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 190 2014-02-01 06:06:17 <Luke-Jr> iateadonut: with -blocknotify, anything can react immediately
 191 2014-02-01 06:06:30 <iateadonut> wait what?
 192 2014-02-01 06:06:36 <iateadonut> what's -blocknotify?
 193 2014-02-01 06:07:00 <Luke-Jr> bitcoind option to execute a command when there's a new block
 194 2014-02-01 06:07:12 <iateadonut> whoah!
 195 2014-02-01 06:07:19 <iateadonut> sweet!
 196 2014-02-01 06:07:26 <iateadonut> i thought iw as going to have to learn a new language.
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 198 2014-02-01 06:08:19 <iateadonut> well, glad i stayed up  "just 5 more minutes"
 199 2014-02-01 06:09:22 <iateadonut> Luke-Jr, thanks!
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 201 2014-02-01 06:09:37 <iateadonut> why do so many knowledgable people start roaming around 1am?
 202 2014-02-01 06:10:08 <iateadonut> of course, i should've read the output of primecoind --help way more carefully.
 203 2014-02-01 06:11:01 <Burrito> I was wondering why you need a language... thought you were doing something very complicated.
 204 2014-02-01 06:12:11 <Burrito> (but I didn't know about that -blocknotify thing either ^_^)
 205 2014-02-01 06:12:19 <iateadonut> well, PHP is what i know best.  that should probably do it.  put each transaction in a database.
 206 2014-02-01 06:12:27 <Burrito> ah
 207 2014-02-01 06:12:50 <iateadonut> just send to a bash script which sends the JSON to PHP, which parses and puts in a MySQL database
 208 2014-02-01 06:12:55 <iateadonut> is probably what i'm going to do.
 209 2014-02-01 06:13:22 <iateadonut> server might be a little expensive to maintain
 210 2014-02-01 06:13:57 <iateadonut> probably can't use a VPS, but primecoin is pretty small
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 213 2014-02-01 06:17:41 <iateadonut> how does blockchain.info make money?
 214 2014-02-01 06:17:46 <Luke-Jr> ads?
 215 2014-02-01 06:19:15 <iateadonut> i don't know, but if i end up publishing a service like their's, i'm copying their legal warning.
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 217 2014-02-01 06:21:02 <lianj> also add 'anything is possible - running on php' at the end ;)
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 227 2014-02-01 06:30:55 <iateadonut> php is how you receive data from blockchain.info itself.  not sure what database they use.
 228 2014-02-01 06:31:13 <iateadonut> what's with blocks whose transactions don't show anything?
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 233 2014-02-01 06:40:43 <iateadonut> hmmm... after i decode a raw transaction, how do i tell what address it was sent from?
 234 2014-02-01 06:41:19 <gmaxwell> iateadonut: see channel topic.
 235 2014-02-01 06:41:38 <iateadonut> thanks
 236 2014-02-01 06:42:30 <iateadonut> but blockchain.info somehow gets it
 237 2014-02-01 06:42:39 <Luke-Jr> no, they don't.
 238 2014-02-01 06:42:50 <Luke-Jr> they fabricate something that is completely meaningless
 239 2014-02-01 06:43:54 <iateadonut> so currently, you can't tell how much money a wallet has in it.
 240 2014-02-01 06:43:59 <iateadonut> ?
 241 2014-02-01 06:44:11 <Luke-Jr> iateadonut: you can if you have a copy of the wallet file
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 243 2014-02-01 06:44:40 <Luke-Jr> and it's quite intentional that you can't otherwise
 244 2014-02-01 06:45:23 <iateadonut> how about in litecoin?  http://explorer.litecoin.net/address/LY1L6M6yG26b4sRkLv4BbkmHhPn8GR5fFm
 245 2014-02-01 06:45:58 <Luke-Jr> scams such as litecoin are off-topic here
 246 2014-02-01 06:46:01 <Apocalyptic> mentioning litecoin in front of Luke-Jr, you got courage dude
 247 2014-02-01 06:46:47 <iateadonut> well, we're talking development, right?
 248 2014-02-01 06:47:00 <Luke-Jr> *bitcoin* development.
 249 2014-02-01 06:47:30 <iateadonut> got it.  so no way to know an account balance without a wallet.
 250 2014-02-01 06:48:03 <iateadonut> that explains coinwidget and how the balance is just how much total you were donated
 251 2014-02-01 06:48:05 <lianj> Apocalyptic: haha
 252 2014-02-01 06:54:18 <iateadonut> thanks for all your help.
 253 2014-02-01 06:54:53 <iateadonut> whoah!
 254 2014-02-01 06:55:00 <iateadonut> are you THE luke-jr?
 255 2014-02-01 06:55:09 <lianj> Z
 256 2014-02-01 06:55:29 <lianj> wrong window, sorry
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 259 2014-02-01 06:58:11 <iateadonut> i threw up a website to try and get some money for this lady to buy a wheelchair van.  thought adding BTC might increase revenue.  got sucked into this to expand coinwidget to use XPM, but need some kind of database.
 260 2014-02-01 06:58:16 <iateadonut> thanks a lot.
 261 2014-02-01 06:59:22 <Luke-Jr> iateadonut: the only one afaik
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 263 2014-02-01 07:00:48 <iateadonut> well, at the risk of getting booted, the site is projectminivan.com if you want to donate.
 264 2014-02-01 07:00:48 <iateadonut> i think i've got a total understanding of what to do.  now i just have to do it.
 265 2014-02-01 07:01:10 <iateadonut> thanks again and good night.
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 268 2014-02-01 07:04:06 <iateadonut> Saint Eligius is the patron saint of goldsmiths.  Neat!
 269 2014-02-01 07:08:17 <iateadonut> luke-jr, may i pm you?
 270 2014-02-01 07:09:32 <Luke-Jr> if it's something that requires privacy
 271 2014-02-01 07:09:53 <Luke-Jr> if it's just chatter that the public can participate in, usually #eligius is the channel for that
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 356 2014-02-01 09:30:25 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: (except for qt, which is linked dynamically on linux because we want to use what is on the system)
 357 2014-02-01 09:30:33 <Luke-Jr> static linking is always bad :p
 358 2014-02-01 09:30:35 <wumpus> it's the predictable way to do things
 359 2014-02-01 09:30:47 <wumpus> sure, you always know better of course
 360 2014-02-01 09:31:06 <Luke-Jr> otoh, running random binary tarballs isn't good either
 361 2014-02-01 09:31:16 <Luke-Jr> oh well
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 363 2014-02-01 09:32:12 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: it's not like there isn't a clear consensus about static linking being bad <.<
 364 2014-02-01 09:32:42 <aynstein> Luke-Jr: Lazaro said you might run for the bitfoundation chair again, have you decided and when is the election?
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 370 2014-02-01 09:34:39 <aynstein> No I didnt mean the arrest, isnt it an annual election?
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 373 2014-02-01 09:35:22 <Luke-Jr> whatever it was, the original 5 would be opening up this year IIRC, but I didn't think until later..
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 584 2014-02-01 15:48:04 <jgarzik> "Bitcoin 2014 international conference in Amsterdam to be held on May 15-17"
 585 2014-02-01 15:48:22 <sipa> \o/ nearby
 586 2014-02-01 15:48:27 <jgarzik> gavinandresen_, sipa, TD, gmaxwell, wumpus: other devs going?
 587 2014-02-01 15:48:38 <jgarzik> hosted by Bitcoin Foundation
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 589 2014-02-01 15:48:54 <gavinandresen_> I'll definitely be there
 590 2014-02-01 15:48:58 <jgarzik> BitPay has an office in Amsterdam, too
 591 2014-02-01 15:49:04 <gavinandresen_> hey… why do I have an underscore.....
 592 2014-02-01 15:49:13 <jgarzik> to underscore your presence ;p
 593 2014-02-01 15:49:18 <gavinandresen_> oh, ok then.
 594 2014-02-01 15:49:28 <gavinandresen_> (now I want TWO)
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 596 2014-02-01 15:50:52 * jgarzik accepts the invite
 597 2014-02-01 15:51:41 <jgarzik> Am trying to start turning down bitcoin conference speaking requests.  It's beginning to become a bit of preaching to the choir, telling the audience all about stuff they already know, for the most part
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 599 2014-02-01 15:53:05 <sipa> well, you can avoid that by talking about more technical stuff
 600 2014-02-01 15:54:21 <sipa> but that restricts the audience too of course
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 616 2014-02-01 16:16:49 <denisx> I want to report that bitcoind is running like a rock on freebsd since 0.8.6
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 618 2014-02-01 16:18:40 <sipa> is 0.9.0rc1 too?
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 621 2014-02-01 16:19:38 <denisx> never tried
 622 2014-02-01 16:20:20 <denisx> with running like a rock I mean it runs on my small pool since release without a crash or restart
 623 2014-02-01 16:20:30 <denisx> and it is still hammered with getworks by some users
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 631 2014-02-01 16:29:20 <denisx> is there a changelog anywhere?
 632 2014-02-01 16:30:35 <sipa> yes
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 637 2014-02-01 16:38:31 <denisx> sipa: and where?
 638 2014-02-01 16:38:33 <denisx> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/release-notes.md is empty
 639 2014-02-01 16:38:57 * Apocalyptic would like the link as well
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 654 2014-02-01 17:03:20 <Diablo-D3> https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/restore-net-neutrality-directing-fcc-classify-internet-providers-common-carriers/5CWS1M4P
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 682 2014-02-01 17:37:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Question: How come for Windows, we build 32- and 64-bit in one 64-bit VM, but for Linux, we build each descriptor (boost, deps, and Bitcoin) in two VMs, a 32-bit VM for the 32-bit build and a 64-bit VM for the 64-bit build?
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 719 2014-02-01 18:03:52 <richcollins> does bitcoin-qt have to sync before broadcasting a tx?
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 729 2014-02-01 18:12:52 <Neozonz> Discx2!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|is there a way to filter transactions by amount?
 730 2014-02-01 18:12:59 <Neozonz> Discx2!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|like bitcoind listtransactions above 10
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 757 2014-02-01 18:38:36 <CourtJesterG> Am trying to build bitcoin-master, and when doing autogen.sh I get this warning
 758 2014-02-01 18:38:43 <CourtJesterG> configure.ac:681: warning: 'INCLUDES' is the old name for 'AM_CPPFLAGS' (or '*_CPPFLAGS')
 759 2014-02-01 18:39:01 <phantomcircuit> CourtJesterG, what version of autotools do you have installed
 760 2014-02-01 18:40:18 <CourtJesterG> am not sure
 761 2014-02-01 18:40:22 <CourtJesterG> am using homebrew
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 763 2014-02-01 18:41:03 <CourtJesterG> when I do ./configure I get this though: configure: error: libdb_cxx headers missing
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 765 2014-02-01 18:41:16 <CourtJesterG> Homebrew doesn't have a formula for autotools
 766 2014-02-01 18:41:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Neozonz|Discx2: No, there isn't -- but you can take the output and filter it yourself
 767 2014-02-01 18:41:46 <CourtJesterG> I've been search for that libdb_cxx header
 768 2014-02-01 18:41:48 <Neozonz> Discx2!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|i see
 769 2014-02-01 18:41:49 <Neozonz> Discx2!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|thx
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 771 2014-02-01 18:42:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|In Ruby, you'd use transactions.select { |tx| tx["amount"] > 10 }
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 773 2014-02-01 18:42:56 <CourtJesterG> I am running automake 1.14.1
 774 2014-02-01 18:43:03 <CourtJesterG> with autoconf
 775 2014-02-01 18:43:30 <CourtJesterG> I also have cmake installed
 776 2014-02-01 18:43:34 <CourtJesterG> and make
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 785 2014-02-01 18:54:37 <CourtJesterG> so anybody know where I can find this missing library?
 786 2014-02-01 18:54:42 <CourtJesterG> I've been search for that libdb_cxx header
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 788 2014-02-01 18:54:47 <CourtJesterG> or header what ever
 789 2014-02-01 18:54:58 <devrandom> gavinandresen_: re https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/issues/45
 790 2014-02-01 18:55:37 <gavinandresen_> devrandom: mmm?
 791 2014-02-01 18:55:51 <devrandom> if you run "apt-get install --reinstall -y -d bash" twice, does it download the second time?
 792 2014-02-01 18:56:04 <devrandom> or does it say "need to download 0 B"
 793 2014-02-01 18:56:30 <devrandom> also, are you running gbuild with -i?
 794 2014-02-01 18:57:03 <gavinandresen_> not running gbuild with -i, let me see what happens when I run apt-get twice...
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 799 2014-02-01 18:59:27 <gavinandresen_> devrandom: yes, running twice second time it doesn't download
 800 2014-02-01 18:59:55 <devrandom> could it be that your base image had 'apt-get clean' in it?
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 802 2014-02-01 19:00:32 <devrandom> what could be happening is that the apt cache directory was cleaned out in the base image, so every time you gbuild (without -i) you have to redownload
 803 2014-02-01 19:00:40 <gavinandresen_> not sure I understand-- base image was a VirtualBox VM that I manuall ran apt-get update/upgrade
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 805 2014-02-01 19:01:08 <gavinandresen_> I didn't run apt-get clean, I don't THINK….
 806 2014-02-01 19:01:14 <devrandom> you are not using the builtin gitian make-base-image, etc.?
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 808 2014-02-01 19:01:18 <devrandom> you are managing your own base image?
 809 2014-02-01 19:01:29 <gavinandresen_> yes
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 812 2014-02-01 19:02:54 <devrandom> so your base VirtualBox VM probably has an empty apt archive lib
 813 2014-02-01 19:03:30 <devrandom> gbuild (unless it was modified) copies the base VM image on every run
 814 2014-02-01 19:03:47 <devrandom> so the apt-get install -d will end up downloading every time
 815 2014-02-01 19:04:13 <gavinandresen_> hmm.  /var/cache/apt/archives definitely has lots of things in it in the base VM
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 817 2014-02-01 19:04:47 <CourtJesterG> I've been search for that libdb_cxx header
 818 2014-02-01 19:04:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gbuild result for linux: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6856785/
 819 2014-02-01 19:05:10 <devrandom> gavinandresen_: hmmm...
 820 2014-02-01 19:05:32 <devrandom> can you try that apt-get install incantation on one of the things that's in the archives dir?
 821 2014-02-01 19:05:36 <devrandom> does it download?
 822 2014-02-01 19:05:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Has anyone gbuilt 0.9.0rc1 yet?
 823 2014-02-01 19:05:59 <teward> CourtJesterG: you're compiling from the code, right?  did you take a peek at this?  https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/build-osx.md
 824 2014-02-01 19:06:12 <CourtJesterG> I'll have a look
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 826 2014-02-01 19:06:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(I see no pushed sigs)
 827 2014-02-01 19:06:40 <teward> CourtJesterG: assuming "homebrew" means the package management software that comes with MacOSX, but that's just an assumption
 828 2014-02-01 19:07:01 <gavinandresen_> devrandom: yes, it did want to reinstall zlib1g ...
 829 2014-02-01 19:07:30 <gavinandresen_> michagogo|cloud: your bin/32/bitcoin-qt doesn't match mine
 830 2014-02-01 19:07:31 <CourtJesterG> no homebrew doesn't come with OS X, I decided to give it another try after a few fail attempts with other packagemanagers
 831 2014-02-01 19:08:25 <CourtJesterG> - It sure beats going in search for a bunch of dependcy
 832 2014-02-01 19:08:30 <gavinandresen_> CourtJesterG: careful, it is easy to shoot yourself in the foot by getting some dependencies from MacPorts and another from Brew
 833 2014-02-01 19:08:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen_: :-/
 834 2014-02-01 19:08:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|How about the rest?
 835 2014-02-01 19:08:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Also, has anyone else built?
 836 2014-02-01 19:08:54 <gavinandresen_> michagogo|cloud: see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3612 for my checksums
 837 2014-02-01 19:08:55 <devrandom> gavinandresen_: I'm confused about something - how are you using virtualbox with gitian?
 838 2014-02-01 19:09:30 <gavinandresen_> devrandom: I build the base VMs manually, and then use the VirtualBox support I added to gbuild ….
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 840 2014-02-01 19:09:38 <devrandom> ah
 841 2014-02-01 19:09:39 <gavinandresen_> devrandom: see USE_VBOX
 842 2014-02-01 19:10:04 <devrandom> oh yeah, forgot about that
 843 2014-02-01 19:10:09 <gavinandresen_> :)
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 845 2014-02-01 19:10:14 <CourtJesterG> Ever tried just typing in google VM Fusion Serials? I kinda got tired of the fact everytime my Mac OS X updates VMFusion decides to update, and the previous verison you bought no longer works, kinda forceing people to pay up
 846 2014-02-01 19:10:19 <devrandom> :o)
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 849 2014-02-01 19:11:16 <CourtJesterG> I actually got a serial right in the search results without clicking on a link
 850 2014-02-01 19:11:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen_: Looks like we mismatch bitcoind, bitcoin-qt, and test_bitcoin-qt, on both architectures
 851 2014-02-01 19:11:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And also src/bitcoin-0.9.0.tar.gz?
 852 2014-02-01 19:11:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What generates that tarball?
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 857 2014-02-01 19:15:42 <devrandom> gavinandresen_: could it be that the packages on the base VM are just out of date?  the grab-packages script is not that smart, and always tries to download latest packages
 858 2014-02-01 19:16:02 <devrandom> so if the base VM image has out of date packages, every gbuild will get them anew
 859 2014-02-01 19:16:15 <devrandom> the solution to that would be to do apt-get upgrade on the base
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 861 2014-02-01 19:17:30 <gavinandresen_> devrandom: possible-- I might have screwed up and created the "Gitian-Clean" virtualbox snapshot before running apt-get update/upgrade
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 863 2014-02-01 19:17:49 <devrandom> okay, let me know if that fixes it
 864 2014-02-01 19:17:58 <gavinandresen_> devrandom: will do, I'll close the bug if it was user error
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 866 2014-02-01 19:18:15 <devrandom> OK, thank you
 867 2014-02-01 19:19:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen_: Mind giving me your src/bitcoin-0.9.0.tar.gz from the Linix gbuild?
 868 2014-02-01 19:19:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Linux*
 869 2014-02-01 19:19:25 <gavinandresen_> michagogo|cloud: sure, one sec
 870 2014-02-01 19:19:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;google tarball gixx
 871 2014-02-01 19:19:35 <gribble> Aroden - PathfinderWiki: <http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Aroden>; ClearCase LT Release Notes - Support - IBM: <http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/cchelp/v7r0m1/topic/com.ibm.rational.clearcase.help.doc/cclt_release_notes.htm>; [Lets read] Pathfinder Campaign setting: The Inner sea world guide ...: <http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?711655-Lets-read-Pathfinder-Campaign- (1 more message)
 872 2014-02-01 19:19:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|erm
 873 2014-02-01 19:19:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;google tarball diff
 874 2014-02-01 19:19:40 <gribble> linux - How to compare two tarball's content - Stack Overflow: <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1030545/how-to-compare-two-tarballs-content>; linux - How to compare two tar archives (including file content, new ...: <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19930300/how-to-compare-two-tar-archives-including-file-content-new-removed-files-syml>; tar - diff a gzipped tarball against (1 more message)
 875 2014-02-01 19:19:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;more
 876 2014-02-01 19:19:54 <gribble> a directory? - Unix & Linux Stack ...: <http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/16750/diff-a-gzipped-tarball-against-a-directory>
 877 2014-02-01 19:21:13 <gavinandresen_> michagogo|cloud: https://bitcoincore.org/~gavin/bitcoin-0.9.0.tar.gz
 878 2014-02-01 19:21:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Thanks
 879 2014-02-01 19:24:00 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wishes he knew how to use tar without looking at the help every time
 880 2014-02-01 19:24:33 <Naphex> michagogo|cloud: just use tar xf, it will autodetect format :)
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 883 2014-02-01 19:27:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen_: Looks like the unpacked tarball has the same files
 884 2014-02-01 19:27:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Before I continue, that tarball is supposed to be deterministic, right?
 885 2014-02-01 19:27:40 <aegis> Hi all, does anyone actually use Bitcoin Armory?  It's pretty much unusable at this point...  Any plans to revive it at some point?
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 887 2014-02-01 19:29:50 <phantomcircuit> aegis, hilariously i think people still use it even in it's broken state
 888 2014-02-01 19:30:07 <phantomcircuit> iirc the guy who wrote it was working on reducing the memory footprint and basically failed
 889 2014-02-01 19:30:17 <aegis> phantomcircuit: It's crazy, right?
 890 2014-02-01 19:30:23 <aegis> ha
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 892 2014-02-01 19:30:59 <gavinandresen_> michagogo|cloud: binaries being deterministic is much more important than tarball.  Are you using kvm or lxc to gitian build?
 893 2014-02-01 19:31:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|lxc
 894 2014-02-01 19:31:20 <gavinandresen_> I was never able to get lxc builds deterministic....
 895 2014-02-01 19:31:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hm, the contents of the tarballs are the same
 896 2014-02-01 19:31:54 <gavinandresen_> (and never took the time to figure out why, becaues VirtualBox was working nicely)
 897 2014-02-01 19:32:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Must just be the metadata
 898 2014-02-01 19:32:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen_: I've had deterministic builds in the past...
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 901 2014-02-01 19:35:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|btw, Windows result: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6856968/
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 908 2014-02-01 19:41:25 <gavinandresen_> michagogo|cloud: can you run the windows build again and see if you self-match?
 909 2014-02-01 19:42:20 <gavinandresen_> michagogo|cloud: …. and how can you have gbuilt 0.8.6, 0.8.6 used lucid VMs and 0.9 uses precise
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 925 2014-02-01 19:48:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen_: I gbuilt them with lucid VMs (containers)
 926 2014-02-01 19:49:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I mean the VM that I'm running gitian in, not the gitian VM
 927 2014-02-01 19:50:40 <gavinandresen_> michagogo|cloud: ah, you're doing the VM-inside-a-VM thing… that just makes my brain hurt.
 928 2014-02-01 19:51:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen_: actually a VPS, but yeah
 929 2014-02-01 19:52:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Okay, so rerunning ./bin/gbuild --commit bitcoin=v${VERSION} ../bitcoin/contrib/gitian-descriptors/gitian-win.yml
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 958 2014-02-01 20:16:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen_: Looks like a second Windows build is identical except for bitcoin-qt and bitcoin-0.9.0-win64-setup: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6857185/
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 976 2014-02-01 20:43:38 <mriou> hey there, I'm trying to follow the evolution of the difficulty on testnet3 to test my impl
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 979 2014-02-01 20:44:27 <mriou> during the 4 first sections of 2016 blocks it did 1, 1, 4, 16, 4
 980 2014-02-01 20:44:58 <mriou> (from 0-2016 to 6048-8064)
 981 2014-02-01 20:45:28 <mriou> I'm puzzled as to why it's not 1, 4, 16, 64, etc.
 982 2014-02-01 20:45:58 <mriou> given that all of this happened within only 3 days instead of 2 weeks
 983 2014-02-01 20:46:03 <mriou> does that make sense?
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 985 2014-02-01 20:50:03 <keyboard> Why is that puzzly?
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 987 2014-02-01 20:51:51 <mriou> keyboard: in theory difficulty increases with the rate of block validation
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 989 2014-02-01 20:52:10 <mriou> in proportion to how faster it has been compared to 2 weels
 990 2014-02-01 20:52:19 <mriou> weeks, sorry
 991 2014-02-01 20:52:39 <mriou> to discover the last 2016 blocks
 992 2014-02-01 20:52:56 <keyboard> and decreases also
 993 2014-02-01 20:53:02 <mriou> in this case it's been much faster than 2 weeks every time
 994 2014-02-01 20:53:07 <mriou> keyboard: correct
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 996 2014-02-01 20:53:42 <mriou> however in this case it's been much faster each time
 997 2014-02-01 20:54:03 <mriou> so I don't understand why it's gone done
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 999 2014-02-01 20:55:07 <keyboard> Test nets use different system for difficulty
1000 2014-02-01 20:55:37 <mriou> keyboard: oh I see, that makes more sense
1001 2014-02-01 20:55:51 <mriou> any idea where I could see how it works on testnet3?
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1003 2014-02-01 20:57:10 <mriou> keyboard: okay, found it by myself, thanks
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1005 2014-02-01 20:57:37 <mriou> knowing that difficulty was evolving differently on mainnet was the key part, thanks again
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1008 2014-02-01 20:58:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|mriou: It's not really a different system
1009 2014-02-01 20:58:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|There's just one change
1010 2014-02-01 20:59:12 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|When there have been 20 minutes without a block, a difficulty 1 block is allowed
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1012 2014-02-01 20:59:41 <mriou> michagogo: it seems to also be half of what mainnet difficulty would be
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1014 2014-02-01 20:59:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hm?
1015 2014-02-01 21:00:13 <mriou> quoting the wiki: "Minimum difficulty of 1.0 on testnet is equal to difficulty of 0.5 on mainnet. This means that the mainnet-equivalent of any testnet difficulty is half the testnet difficulty."
1016 2014-02-01 21:00:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh, right
1017 2014-02-01 21:01:22 <mriou> I still don't get what happened between block 6048 and 8064 on testnet3 tho, there are only 5 min between the 2
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1020 2014-02-01 21:01:41 <mriou> so it should have gone up, the 20 min rule wouldn't apply
1021 2014-02-01 21:01:50 <mriou> http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/block/000000000be66197ad285aedd52e56036f28d595fe281858bc5d562173d4d6de
1022 2014-02-01 21:01:56 <mriou> and http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/block/00000000118da1e2165a19307b86f87eba814845e8a0f99734dce279ca3fb029
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1024 2014-02-01 21:02:14 <iateadonut> for the vout portion of a block, the hex is the unique identifier of a reciept?
1025 2014-02-01 21:02:32 <iateadonut> for example, given one transaction id, there will be vin and vout
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1028 2014-02-01 21:02:43 <iateadonut> vout show addresses and teh value of the receipt
1029 2014-02-01 21:02:57 <CourtJesterG> bob the builder can we build it
1030 2014-02-01 21:03:01 <iateadonut> the unique identifier to each of those receipts to each of those addresses is the hex?
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1032 2014-02-01 21:03:42 <mriou> michagogo|cloud: do you see what I mean?
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1034 2014-02-01 21:05:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|mriou: o_O
1035 2014-02-01 21:05:19 <mriou> I know, my feelings exactly :)
1036 2014-02-01 21:05:22 <CourtJesterG> The whole reason why am building from source, is that I did a bootstrap with blocks, that went okay. Waited a few days still downloading the rest. Got almost done, and oneday I open it up and it has this weird error to update, or others need to update nodes, and wasn't sync anymore. So i looked it up, and someone mention to reindex the block, I did that took two days. Than I go to open it and bam error I can't even get in
1037 2014-02-01 21:05:22 <CourtJesterG> to the wallet.
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1040 2014-02-01 21:06:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|mriou: I wonder what I'm forgetting that explains that
1041 2014-02-01 21:07:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Did you check the timestamps of all the blocks around that?
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1044 2014-02-01 21:08:00 <mriou> michagogo|cloud: yeah, they're all pretty close, there must be something else
1045 2014-02-01 21:08:42 <mriou> I can go check the sources here and there and see if I can dig out something if it doesn't ring a bell
1046 2014-02-01 21:08:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And are they all normal diff (not 20-min rule)?
1047 2014-02-01 21:09:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|mriou: I think checks for whether or not the software is running on testnet use the variable fTestNet, if that helps
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1049 2014-02-01 21:10:25 <mriou> michagogo|cloud: could it be related to the fact that those blocks only have a coinbase transaction?
1050 2014-02-01 21:10:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Nah
1051 2014-02-01 21:11:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Many blocks are like that
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1088 2014-02-01 21:41:15 <iateadonut> how many times should a block be confirmed before a payment is considered to have 'gone through'?
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1090 2014-02-01 21:42:28 <jaakkos> iateadonut: not a question for -dev. but it depends on who receives the payment.
1091 2014-02-01 21:42:58 <jaakkos> iateadonut: the one who receives the payment can decide what kind of risk they are willing to accept. a sensible "default" is 6 confirmations.
1092 2014-02-01 21:43:36 <jaakkos> blocks don't get "confirmed", transactions do
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1110 2014-02-01 21:58:24 <Emcy> paymetns go thru instantly, what changes is how likely it is to be reversed
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1126 2014-02-01 22:17:48 <iateadonut> bitcoind getblock $blockhash - this is where it shows 'confirmations' - is this the wrong thing?
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1132 2014-02-01 22:22:59 <iateadonut> i don't see anything within decoderawtransaction like 'confirm'
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1147 2014-02-01 22:43:04 <sipa> iateadonut: confirmations == how deep a block or transaction is buried in the blockchain
1148 2014-02-01 22:43:15 <sipa> it's a derived value of the chain
1149 2014-02-01 22:43:24 <sipa> it's not a field in the transaction or block itself
1150 2014-02-01 22:43:33 <sipa> as it changes iver time
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1177 2014-02-01 23:12:18 <pizzaman1337> is --with-qt still the correct configure flag to make a QT binary?
1178 2014-02-01 23:12:28 <pizzaman1337> (I just get: configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --with-qt)
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1182 2014-02-01 23:19:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|pizzaman1337: --with-gui
1183 2014-02-01 23:20:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sipa: have you gbuilt 0.9.0rc1 yet?
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1185 2014-02-01 23:21:01 <pizzaman1337> michagogo|cloud: that was it, thanks (now I'm working on "libprotobuf not found")
1186 2014-02-01 23:21:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|pizzaman1337: Yeah, you also need protobuf for the payment protocol
1187 2014-02-01 23:21:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Looks like bitcoin-qt.exe and therefore the setup aren't deterministic build-to-build at the moment, and Gavin and I don't match sigs for the bins or the source tarballs
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1190 2014-02-01 23:25:53 <pizzaman1337> michagogo|cloud: what's the recommended way to setup libprotobuf on OSX?
1191 2014-02-01 23:26:08 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|shrugs
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