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50 2014-02-05 00:45:49 <tlrobinson> why does the block 90th percentile tend to be either 10-30 seconds, or almost exactly 120 seconds? http://bitcoinstats.com/network/propagation/
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54 2014-02-05 00:47:24 <go1111111> is there a simple way to list all addresses in the keypool?
55 2014-02-05 00:47:56 <sipa> dumpwallet RPC
56 2014-02-05 00:48:00 <sipa> in 0.9.0rc1
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59 2014-02-05 00:49:23 <go1111111> thanks
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128 2014-02-05 02:29:34 <alex_fun> hello :)
129 2014-02-05 02:29:53 <alex_fun> does bitcoin somehow hardcodes max value of 21 million coins?
130 2014-02-05 02:29:55 <alex_fun> or not really?
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132 2014-02-05 02:31:04 <SomeoneWeird> alex_fun, yes
133 2014-02-05 02:33:31 <alex_fun> SomeoneWeird: and how its done?
134 2014-02-05 02:33:56 <SomeoneWeird> i'd have to find the bit of code, and i'm at work atm
135 2014-02-05 02:34:16 <SomeoneWeird> grep the codebase for 2100000 or something
136 2014-02-05 02:34:20 <alex_fun> via halving I presume
137 2014-02-05 02:34:41 <alex_fun> I greped it there is one function but it seems to check transaction sanity
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140 2014-02-05 02:37:33 <alex_fun> I found something here 21,000,000 = 2 * 50 * 210,000
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142 2014-02-05 02:40:32 <copumpkin> I thought it was just the sum of a geometric series
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150 2014-02-05 02:54:59 <andytoshi> alex_fun: ./src/core.h:18:static const int64_t MAX_MONEY = 21000000 * COIN;
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152 2014-02-05 02:55:41 <alex_fun> andytoshi: that seems to be max transaction value
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154 2014-02-05 02:55:46 <andytoshi> but MAX_MONEY is just used in some (redundant) sanity checks.
155 2014-02-05 02:55:47 <andytoshi> rigth
156 2014-02-05 02:56:02 <alex_fun> so some people wont send like 50000000000000000 coins :D
157 2014-02-05 02:56:06 <andytoshi> the actual coin limit is the sum of a geometric series
158 2014-02-05 02:56:24 <alex_fun> yes i figured that out with google help :)
159 2014-02-05 02:56:29 <andytoshi> MAX_MONEY is only there to screw with dogecoin developers ;)
160 2014-02-05 02:56:35 <alex_fun> hehehe
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162 2014-02-05 02:56:39 <alex_fun> :)))
163 2014-02-05 02:57:24 <alex_fun> int64 AmountFromValue(const Value& value) { double dAmount = value.get_real(); if (dAmount <= 0.0 || dAmount > this also checks for max transactions?
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166 2014-02-05 02:58:00 <alex_fun> so if its less than 0 and higher that 21,000,000 it gives error 3
167 2014-02-05 02:58:05 <alex_fun> invalid amount
168 2014-02-05 03:00:09 <alex_fun> oki tv time :)
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174 2014-02-05 03:03:44 <antephialtic> has an altcoin ever been written that uses NTRU signatures?
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270 2014-02-05 04:21:25 <nessence> doubtful if it's patented
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281 2014-02-05 04:26:08 <gmaxwell> sipa: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/script.cpp#L299 < care to fix that too, I know you changed the signing to switch to the order/2 check.
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288 2014-02-05 04:31:15 <jbitcm-> hello
289 2014-02-05 04:31:25 <jbitcm-> can you help me please
290 2014-02-05 04:31:47 <jbitcm-> i want to know how i can get involved for develop bitcoin
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360 2014-02-05 05:45:23 <quellhorst> how can i get the data on all bitcoin addresses and transactions without using blockchain.info's website?
361 2014-02-05 05:46:26 <Luke-Jr> quellhorst: getrawtransaction, unless it's pruned
362 2014-02-05 05:46:42 <Luke-Jr> quellhorst: if you reindex with txindex=1 in your config, it will work for any transaction
363 2014-02-05 05:48:15 <quellhorst> ok, so all i need is bitcoind with a copy of the entire blockchain and i can get all the data from running shell commands?
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365 2014-02-05 05:48:59 <antephialtic> if you prefer Java, create a BitcoinJ BlockStore with the fullStoreDepth set to Integer.MAX_INT
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367 2014-02-05 05:49:13 <quellhorst> antephialtic: yeah, i'm getting a bit more into java these days
368 2014-02-05 05:49:39 <quellhorst> antephialtic: do i need to redownload everything with bitcoinj?
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371 2014-02-05 05:50:26 <antephialtic> unfortunately, yes, it uses a different on-disk format.
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373 2014-02-05 05:51:30 <quellhorst> hmm, maybe i could specify my dedicated node to seed from that way it could download faster
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377 2014-02-05 05:53:49 <antephialtic> yes, there are methods for this in the PeerGroup class.
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379 2014-02-05 05:54:24 <antephialtic> I'll be in #bitcoinj if you have any more questions
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528 2014-02-05 10:02:55 <omefire> Hey guys
529 2014-02-05 10:03:24 <omefire> I'm trying to understand how bitcoin-qt calculates the balance.
530 2014-02-05 10:04:36 <omefire> from whatever I have glanced from the code, it seems like the UI gets the balance from CWallet.getBalance()
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535 2014-02-05 10:05:19 <jaakkos> are you interested on general level how the balance is computed or code-level details in bitcoin-qt?
536 2014-02-05 10:05:37 <omefire> and CWallet maintains an in-memory data structure of transactions : mapWallet or something similar
537 2014-02-05 10:06:10 <omefire> my question is : who calls/notifies CWallet about new transactions so that it can update itself ?
538 2014-02-05 10:06:46 <omefire> jaakkos : I'm interested in code-level details.
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540 2014-02-05 10:08:49 <omefire> I have found that CWallet gets notified about new transactions by main.cpp via boost sigals .
541 2014-02-05 10:09:22 <omefire> but who calls main.cpp about transactions updates ?
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557 2014-02-05 10:35:22 <Grouver> sipa, We have shutted down the trusted node and copied the blocks folder and chainstate folder. We have pasted this on my local pc where we deleted the index folder in the blocks folder and removed all lock files and database/log files. Now when i s tart bitcoin-qt from the terminal I get this error in the terminal.
558 2014-02-05 10:36:09 <Grouver> grouver@bitonic$ ./bitcoin-qt
559 2014-02-05 10:36:09 <Grouver> bitcoin-qt: main.cpp:1602: bool ConnectBlock(CBlock&, CValidationState&, CBlockIndex*, CCoinsViewCache&, bool): Assertion `hashPrevBlock == view.GetBestBlock()' failed.
560 2014-02-05 10:36:10 <Grouver> Aborted (core dumped)
561 2014-02-05 10:37:16 <Grouver> Again this is about 0.9.0rc1
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564 2014-02-05 10:37:27 <jouke> Grouver: ircc you also specified -rescan
565 2014-02-05 10:37:46 <Grouver> Right.
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567 2014-02-05 10:38:03 <wumpus> shouldn't that be -reindex?
568 2014-02-05 10:38:04 <Grouver> jouke, I get the same error if I do this without -rescan.
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570 2014-02-05 10:38:27 <wumpus> rescan rescans the wallet, it does not affect the block handling logic
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574 2014-02-05 10:46:28 <alex_fun> hello, I have been reading about as to why coins take 100 confirmation before valid when they are mined. The purpose of this rule is to prevent long chain splits from invalidating lots of transactions that spend newly-generated BTC. But how splitted chain can invalidate recent transcations?
575 2014-02-05 10:46:55 <alex_fun> low diff creates 2 chains and then they keep swapping places as to who is longest chain?
576 2014-02-05 10:47:23 <alex_fun> also is there some graphical representation of bitcoin forks real time?
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590 2014-02-05 11:02:21 <Emcy> f the other chain overtakes the "real" one, all txns in that cahin up to current are erased from the timeline
591 2014-02-05 11:02:29 <Emcy> including coinbase txn that mints coins
592 2014-02-05 11:03:26 <Emcy> this would cause a huge shitstorm so 120 confs is like doubling up the rubbers when youre slumming in bangkok
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595 2014-02-05 11:09:27 <epscy> nice metaphor
596 2014-02-05 11:09:40 <alex_fun> hehehe
597 2014-02-05 11:10:15 <alex_fun> I love thai girls
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599 2014-02-05 11:11:37 <alex_fun> Emcy: so say there is pool xyz once another chain become longer
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601 2014-02-05 11:11:58 <alex_fun> it deletes previous chain data from ./bitcoin?
602 2014-02-05 11:12:09 <alex_fun> what if they back it up and restore?
603 2014-02-05 11:12:51 <sipa> alex_fun: it is nit an implementation problem
604 2014-02-05 11:13:08 <sipa> the problem is that coinbase transactions depend on the chain that created them
605 2014-02-05 11:13:20 <sipa> if we reorganjze, that chain is not loner active
606 2014-02-05 11:13:53 <Emcy> alex_fun there is only one unbroken chain, that is the definition of the system
607 2014-02-05 11:14:00 <sipa> so its coinbase transactions, and anyone paid using its outputrs, and all transactions that spent coins from it, become invalid
608 2014-02-05 11:14:53 <sipa> Grouver: what if you run 0.8.2 on the new node? does it accept the database?
609 2014-02-05 11:14:55 <Emcy> alex_fun i think orphaned blocks from a usurped chain segment are stored for a while by the database
610 2014-02-05 11:15:02 <alex_fun> but longer chain would still be built on previosly longer chain
611 2014-02-05 11:15:17 <sipa> alex_fun: #bitcoin please
612 2014-02-05 11:15:55 <alex_fun> sipa is there some wiki entry related to it? as #bitcoin is kinda mad
613 2014-02-05 11:16:52 <sipa> read bitcoin.stackexchange.com, read the paper, ...
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615 2014-02-05 11:17:17 <alex_fun> I read it like 20 times lol
616 2014-02-05 11:17:29 <Apocalyptic> alex_fun, if you really understand how bitcoin works it's straightforward to see
617 2014-02-05 11:17:47 <sipa> sorry, but this is not the place for explaining bitcoin's basics
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619 2014-02-05 11:18:18 <alex_fun> sipa yet this paper is not very obviou :)
620 2014-02-05 11:18:21 <alex_fun> obvious
621 2014-02-05 11:18:35 <alex_fun> or say all potential implications
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625 2014-02-05 11:21:24 <alex_fun> but what is the issue? client checks for longest chain each time when it request new work, so its allways on the longest chain, and that new long chain would still cointan old coins and transations that happen prior to split, only when some how two forks exist same time mess can happen. but how they can co exist when client ask for longest chain each time it gets work?
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627 2014-02-05 11:22:27 <Grouver> sipa, okay i will try.
628 2014-02-05 11:22:59 <Grouver> sipa, if i may ask, why not 0.8.6?
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632 2014-02-05 11:30:56 <alex_fun> :)))
633 2014-02-05 11:32:14 <sipa> Grouver: i mean 0.8.6, sorry
634 2014-02-05 11:32:41 <Grouver> sipa, Right. I am downloading now.
635 2014-02-05 11:33:50 <sipa> alex_fun: forks happen all the time, because sometimes two blocks are generated simultaneously, and their miners may not have heard yet about eachother's new block just because of propagation delay across the earth
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637 2014-02-05 11:34:28 <sipa> alex_fun: and bitcoin most deal with them
638 2014-02-05 11:34:33 <sipa> *must
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641 2014-02-05 11:35:59 <sipa> alex_fun: in normal cases, transactions from one fork can move to the other fork just fine, as the coins exist likely in both
642 2014-02-05 11:36:17 <sipa> alex_fun: but coinbase transactions cannot mocve to a new chain
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644 2014-02-05 11:36:37 <sipa> as they onky exist in the block that generates them
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646 2014-02-05 11:39:16 <alex_fun> ok ty
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648 2014-02-05 11:41:22 <Grouver> sipa, bitcoin 0.8.6 has no problems with the same blocks & chainstate folder.
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653 2014-02-05 11:42:37 <Grouver> sipa, Thats cause maybe its a 0.8.6 blockchain i copied from the trusted node.
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656 2014-02-05 11:45:28 <sipa> Grouver: can you put the chainstate online?
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658 2014-02-05 11:47:21 <Diablo-D3> https://plus.google.com/+UrsH%C3%B6lzle/posts/UseinB6wvmh
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665 2014-02-05 12:01:13 <Emcy> does testnet really generate like 20 blocks a minute sometimes
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667 2014-02-05 12:01:53 <Grouver> sipa, We stopped the trusted node before copying. But right now we are gonna try it again. Maybe, just maybe the daemon was still running.
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671 2014-02-05 12:03:40 <jouke> Hmm, the bitcoind of the trusted node we tried to copy it from just segfaulted :(
672 2014-02-05 12:04:18 <Grouver> But for some reason now 0.8.6 and 0.9.0 dont recognize the blocks and start completey over with syncing. Then in the debug logs we see it get the first block from the network and wants to overwrite the already existing block. Really weird.
673 2014-02-05 12:04:19 <jouke> (after giving the stop command through rpc)
674 2014-02-05 12:04:53 <warren> jouke: did you build the bitcoind yourself? what version of boost?
675 2014-02-05 12:05:10 <Emcy> "Please note that as I am no longer employed by Google, after 0.11 signing the Google contributor license agreement will no longer be necessary"
676 2014-02-05 12:05:58 <Emcy> does that mean bitcoinj is a product of mike as a google employee? I thought it was a personal endeavour
677 2014-02-05 12:07:40 <jouke> warren: 8.5 prebuilt
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679 2014-02-05 12:09:12 <warren> ok, I think that static links to whatever boost is in 10.04
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682 2014-02-05 12:13:36 <jouke> Upgraded to 0.8.6, starts just fine, works as expected, but segfaults at shutdown.
683 2014-02-05 12:13:57 <jouke> I guess that is why the other bitcoin client can't load the blockchain-files?
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685 2014-02-05 12:15:04 <sipa> 0.9 may have some stronger consistency checks
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688 2014-02-05 12:17:34 <jouke> but 8.6 didn't work either. We copied blocks/*.dat and chainstate/
689 2014-02-05 12:18:16 <Grouver> jouke, we loaded it up without the index folder which is in the blocks folder
690 2014-02-05 12:21:16 TD has joined
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692 2014-02-05 12:23:36 <sipa> heh, that won't work
693 2014-02-05 12:24:00 <sipa> the chainstate may not be newer than the block index
694 2014-02-05 12:24:53 <sipa> that is, the best chain in chainstate must be present in blocks and blocks/imdex
695 2014-02-05 12:27:20 <Grouver> hmm, I thought i red some where we only needed the blocks folder and chainstate folder where we dont need the index folder which is in the blocks folder. Hmm. Attemp #4
696 2014-02-05 12:27:37 <jouke> Right. Let's try that again.
697 2014-02-05 12:28:04 <jouke> The node still segfaults with 8.6 on shutting down by the way.
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705 2014-02-05 12:35:07 <sipa> Grouver: blocks > blocks/index > chainstate
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709 2014-02-05 12:35:23 <sipa> you can copy just blocks, blocks+blocks/index, or all
710 2014-02-05 12:35:38 <sipa> they're like several stages of processing
711 2014-02-05 12:35:47 <sipa> the chainstate refers to things in the block index
712 2014-02-05 12:35:51 <sipa> and the block index to stuff in blocks
713 2014-02-05 12:36:10 <Grouver> sipa, Ah. Okay. Thanks for pointing that out.
714 2014-02-05 12:36:25 <sipa> well, blocks+blocks/index can be created independently from the chainstate
715 2014-02-05 12:36:38 <sipa> as the chainstate only refers to blocks by hash, not by position on disk
716 2014-02-05 12:37:12 <Grouver> so the chainstate folder is actually not really needed?
717 2014-02-05 12:37:49 <sipa> if you don't copy it, you have to rebuild it
718 2014-02-05 12:37:55 <sipa> which takes almost as long as reindexing
719 2014-02-05 12:37:59 <wumpus> it is, it stores the UTXO set for transaction verification, so it's very important
720 2014-02-05 12:38:16 <sipa> the chainstate is the trusted part
721 2014-02-05 12:38:47 <Grouver> Yes. Right. But if you have a other wallet.dat and not the original wallet.dat from the trusted node?
722 2014-02-05 12:39:13 <sipa> wallet.dat is completely independent
723 2014-02-05 12:39:35 <sipa> you can run 0.9 without wallet even
724 2014-02-05 12:39:48 <wumpus> non of the other files depends on the wallet
725 2014-02-05 12:39:50 <Grouver> oh, I always thought the index folder was connected to your keys.
726 2014-02-05 12:39:56 <sipa> no, not at all
727 2014-02-05 12:40:05 <sipa> eerything related to your wallet is in wallet.dat
728 2014-02-05 12:40:09 <wumpus> that's why you can just swap wallet.dat's around (while bitcoind/qt is not running)
729 2014-02-05 12:40:16 <sipa> (and at runtime, the database/ folder)
730 2014-02-05 12:40:51 <Grouver> Alright. :)
731 2014-02-05 12:41:38 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wonders if wumpus is around
732 2014-02-05 12:41:59 * wumpus hides
733 2014-02-05 12:43:00 <sipa> Grouver: blocks/index basically contains "block X can be found in blocks file X position Y, along with some metadata about the blocks"
734 2014-02-05 12:43:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;seen wumpus
735 2014-02-05 12:43:32 <gribble> wumpus was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 3 days, 1 hour, 56 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <wumpus> hehe
736 2014-02-05 12:44:34 nsh has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
737 2014-02-05 12:44:43 skinnkavaj has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
738 2014-02-05 12:44:45 <wumpus> ...huh
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740 2014-02-05 12:46:30 <wumpus> test
741 2014-02-05 12:46:44 attilah has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
742 2014-02-05 12:46:45 <wumpus> lol, I've been talking here for nothing for quite a while
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744 2014-02-05 12:46:54 <wumpus> wasn't id'd so my messages didn't come through
745 2014-02-05 12:47:12 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|heh
746 2014-02-05 12:47:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Isn't there an error
747 2014-02-05 12:47:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|"cannot send to channel" or something?
748 2014-02-05 12:47:27 <wumpus> yes, but not in this tab
749 2014-02-05 12:47:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ahh
750 2014-02-05 12:47:34 omefire has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
751 2014-02-05 12:47:40 <wumpus> [13:41:38] -*- michagogo|cloud wonders if wumpus is around
752 2014-02-05 12:47:40 <wumpus> [13:41:59] -*- wumpus hides
753 2014-02-05 12:47:44 <wumpus> hehe
754 2014-02-05 12:47:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|:P
755 2014-02-05 12:48:05 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|is currently booted into his external HD with Ubuntu on it
756 2014-02-05 12:48:14 Ninsei has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
757 2014-02-05 12:48:17 Guest has joined
758 2014-02-05 12:48:23 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|spent several hours last night rebuilding the system after it somehow became unbootable
759 2014-02-05 12:48:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: What did you want me to test?
760 2014-02-05 12:48:52 <wumpus> strange
761 2014-02-05 12:49:05 <wumpus> maybe a kernel that doesn't want to work with your hw?
762 2014-02-05 12:49:11 <sipa> OS on USB == bad idea
763 2014-02-05 12:49:25 <sipa> reliability, many small writes, bad parallellism, ...
764 2014-02-05 12:49:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The linux deps gbuild with your 2014_01_gitian_linux_deps_fix branch?
765 2014-02-05 12:49:53 <sipa> (I almost said 'OS on USD')
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767 2014-02-05 12:49:56 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: linux gitian build (including deps and boost) with #3622
768 2014-02-05 12:50:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Btw, if you care about my sigs from tag 0.9.0rc1, you can see github.com/Michagogo/gitian.sigs
769 2014-02-05 12:50:39 <wumpus> sipa: hah, I've run ubuntu from an USB stick for a while, had no problems, though I know it should wear out the stick quite quickly
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771 2014-02-05 12:50:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I have two branches there, one from LXC and one from KVM
772 2014-02-05 12:51:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|KVM is from last night after I reinstalled Ubuntu
773 2014-02-05 12:51:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: Including boost? I saw you didn't bump the version number there
774 2014-02-05 12:51:31 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: I've made a lot of (necessary) determinism changes in that pull
775 2014-02-05 12:52:02 <wumpus> well the underlying code didn't change; determism is all in times, timezones, ordering of the zips, etc
776 2014-02-05 12:52:15 <Grouver> sipa, Thanks.
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778 2014-02-05 12:53:00 <wumpus> should not affect the resulting bitcoind/bitcoin-qt/etc, but it's nice to get the intermediate outputs hashes deterministic as well
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780 2014-02-05 12:53:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: So should I rebuild boost r1 even though it's still r1?
781 2014-02-05 12:53:08 <wumpus> yes
782 2014-02-05 12:53:09 disident has quit (Quit: disident)
783 2014-02-05 12:53:15 <wumpus> and upload the .zip if it doesn't match mine
784 2014-02-05 12:53:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|.zips, you mean
785 2014-02-05 12:53:40 <wumpus> well, only the 32-bit is usually enough
786 2014-02-05 12:53:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah, okay
787 2014-02-05 12:54:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|BTW, how come we build 32 and 64 bit for Linux in two separate gitian VMs (32 in 32, 64 in 64), but build both 32 and 64 bit for Windows in one 64 bit VM?
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789 2014-02-05 12:54:32 <wumpus> usually if they differ they both differ
790 2014-02-05 12:54:36 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: good question
791 2014-02-05 12:54:55 <wumpus> it should absolutely be possible to build 32-bit executables on a 64-bit VM
792 2014-02-05 12:55:10 <wumpus> even linux->linux
793 2014-02-05 12:55:14 <warren> are the 32bit libraries available in the 64bit arch?
794 2014-02-05 12:55:32 <warren> I'm not sure how debian/ubuntu handles multilib
795 2014-02-05 12:55:36 <wumpus> AFAIK yes
796 2014-02-05 12:55:45 <wumpus> but no one looked at this in detail, that's why it's still like this
797 2014-02-05 12:55:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;32 bit libraries ubuntu 64 bit
798 2014-02-05 12:55:57 <gribble> Error: "32" is not a valid command.
799 2014-02-05 12:56:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;google 32 bit libraries ubuntu 64 bit
800 2014-02-05 12:56:03 <gribble> 32bit_and_64bit - Community Ubuntu Documentation: <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit>; Is it possible to have 32 bit libraries installed on a 64 ... - Ask Ubuntu: <http://askubuntu.com/questions/60751/is-it-possible-to-have-32-bit-libraries-installed-on-a-64-bit-system>; 12.04 - how can I install a 32bit library on a 64bit system - Ask Ubuntu: (1 more message)
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802 2014-02-05 12:56:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;more
803 2014-02-05 12:56:12 <gribble> <http://askubuntu.com/questions/126108/how-can-i-install-a-32bit-library-on-a-64bit-system>
804 2014-02-05 12:56:37 <warren> not all pkgconfig gets it right
805 2014-02-05 12:56:50 <wumpus> the basics should be there, libc and such, it used to be something like -m32 to build 32-bit executables on 64-bit
806 2014-02-05 12:57:00 <wumpus> we don't care about that; all the interesting deps we build ourselves
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808 2014-02-05 12:57:20 <warren> ooh, especially now that it has a deps zip on linux
809 2014-02-05 12:57:38 <wumpus> the only uncertainty would be qt
810 2014-02-05 12:58:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You should be able to install 32-bit packages on a 64-bit system with:
811 2014-02-05 12:58:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sudo apt-get install packagename:i386
812 2014-02-05 12:58:29 <wumpus> would need a package like libqt4-dev:i386
813 2014-02-05 12:58:34 <wumpus> yes
814 2014-02-05 12:58:48 <warren> does it install into a separate chroot or /usr/lib64 /usr/lib like Fedora?
815 2014-02-05 12:59:12 <Diablo-D3> yeah
816 2014-02-05 12:59:18 <Diablo-D3> also you need the sources added for 32 bit
817 2014-02-05 12:59:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: 38658a215429992a8d066f827b6f46ca63abc14173983647d16ac0e21a9ddfb7 build/out/bitcoin-deps-linux32-gitian-r3.zip
818 2014-02-05 12:59:25 <wumpus> /usr/lib32
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821 2014-02-05 12:59:48 <Diablo-D3> so like for me, deb [arch=amd64,i386] http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib
822 2014-02-05 13:00:12 <warren> I need to sleep...
823 2014-02-05 13:00:37 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: so it matches the OP, good!
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826 2014-02-05 13:02:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|T××× ×× ×× KVM
827 2014-02-05 13:02:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|This is in KVM
828 2014-02-05 13:02:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(KVM running in a native-running OS)
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831 2014-02-05 13:04:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Unfortunately, running KVM inside a VMware Player VM, while possible, doesn't work to build the deps
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833 2014-02-05 13:04:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|OpenSSL throws an error, something having to do with assembly code
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835 2014-02-05 13:04:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: 2dc3b04d0bb03e1ad0c18dfe1c5635aa6e3741a7a6173203554d8345cd5b5a95 bitcoin-deps-linux64-gitian-r3.zip
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837 2014-02-05 13:04:57 <wumpus> also matches what is in #3622
838 2014-02-05 13:04:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Building your boost now
839 2014-02-05 13:05:41 <wumpus> yes, the openssl assembly problem is very strange, must be some image problem, maybe that's what happens if you build the 32-bit version in 64-bit or vice versa? :)
840 2014-02-05 13:06:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: My guess is that VMware's virtualization virtualization isn't perfect
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843 2014-02-05 13:07:30 <wumpus> at least virtualbox warns when it cannot enable 64-bit-in-64-bit virt, but qemu/kvm may not and just proceed with.. something
844 2014-02-05 13:07:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Well
845 2014-02-05 13:07:51 <wumpus> LXC could work?
846 2014-02-05 13:07:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I know that in qemu, KVM simply fails to run
847 2014-02-05 13:08:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|erm, in vbox*
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849 2014-02-05 13:08:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Or maybe it even fails to install at the apt-get stage?
850 2014-02-05 13:08:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Don't remember
851 2014-02-05 13:08:34 <wumpus> KVM in general works very badly inside VMs
852 2014-02-05 13:08:43 <wumpus> I think that's one reason why LXC support was added
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855 2014-02-05 13:09:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Virtualbox doesn't give its guests access to hardware virtualization at all
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858 2014-02-05 13:09:47 <wumpus> LXC may even work on crappy VPS'es, though I haven't tried, would be nice to have some automatic nightly builder some day
859 2014-02-05 13:09:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It does
860 2014-02-05 13:10:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I gbuilt 0.8.6 on DigitalOcean
861 2014-02-05 13:10:17 <wumpus> cool
862 2014-02-05 13:10:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I think I needed the 3rd tier ($0.03/hour, 2GB RAM)
863 2014-02-05 13:12:45 <wumpus> the only annoying thing about LXC seems to be that it hangs the whole machine for some seconds here while starting, but that's only a problem if you're using the computer for anything interactive
864 2014-02-05 13:13:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I wish gitian could be ported to Windows
865 2014-02-05 13:13:28 <wumpus> i'm sure that's possible
866 2014-02-05 13:13:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|There's a bunch it'd require
867 2014-02-05 13:13:59 <wumpus> at least qemu/kvm exists for windows, and virtualbox, LXC would obviously not work :)
868 2014-02-05 13:14:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|As far as I could tell from a 10-second Google search, apt-cacher-ng doesn't exist for Windows
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870 2014-02-05 13:14:49 <wumpus> hm that isn't just some ruby/python script?
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872 2014-02-05 13:15:06 <wumpus> if it needs compilation it generally sucks on windows
873 2014-02-05 13:15:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~bloch/acng/
874 2014-02-05 13:16:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|http://packages.debian.org/sid/apt-cacher-ng
875 2014-02-05 13:17:11 <wumpus> cannot find anything about the language it's in, so that probably means C :(
876 2014-02-05 13:17:56 <wumpus> it'd be pretty simple to do a caching proxy in python though
877 2014-02-05 13:18:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|1e534dc2e337bc0ac35ebd6544e15c4641b245c621706cc2c03436de545c600a build/out/boost-linux32-1.55.0-gitian-r1.zip
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879 2014-02-05 13:18:40 <wumpus> ...or ruby, for that matter
880 2014-02-05 13:18:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|0473f96aa382d4448994fde4192155f3a96454a7436efdc04c5fc693b185d864 boost-linux64-1.55.0-gitian-r1.zip
881 2014-02-05 13:19:00 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: they match!
882 2014-02-05 13:19:08 <sipa> \o/
883 2014-02-05 13:19:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hm
884 2014-02-05 13:20:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: Are there any changes in your branch that are relevant to the build?
885 2014-02-05 13:20:35 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: yes, in openssl
886 2014-02-05 13:20:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|In other words, do I need to figure out how to have it use your git repo for the actual build, or are your changes just in the descriptors
887 2014-02-05 13:20:43 <wumpus> so in the -deps
888 2014-02-05 13:20:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I mean, the bitcoin build itself
889 2014-02-05 13:20:53 <wumpus> the boost is only determinism fixes
890 2014-02-05 13:21:01 <wumpus> (hence the version bump for -deps)
891 2014-02-05 13:21:28 <wumpus> "need to build OpenSSL with faketime because a timestamp is embedded into cversion.o" that's what triggered all of this
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893 2014-02-05 13:22:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Looks like it's just in the descriptors
894 2014-02-05 13:22:56 <wumpus> oh yes, it's not just in the descriptors, but the openssl change affects the end product
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898 2014-02-05 13:23:01 <wumpus> -not
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900 2014-02-05 13:23:36 <wumpus> also don't forget that the git commit id is embedded in the build
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902 2014-02-05 13:24:01 <wumpus> so if you build from master with #3622's descriptors you will get a different result
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904 2014-02-05 13:24:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hmm?
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907 2014-02-05 13:25:48 <wumpus> the whole business with src/version.cpp and build.h
908 2014-02-05 13:25:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Gitian pulls its own copy of the repo listed in the descriptors
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911 2014-02-05 13:26:11 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: yes, sucks doesn't it
912 2014-02-05 13:26:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Okay, running this: micha@micha-Precise-ExtHD:~/GitianBuild/gitian-builder$ ./bin/gbuild ../bitcoin/contrib/gitian-descriptors/gitian-linux.yml --commit bitcoin=v0.9.0rc1
913 2014-02-05 13:26:27 <wumpus> I've commented out that a long time ago and manage the inputs/bitcoin repository myself
914 2014-02-05 13:26:37 <sipa> i have a script that initializes gitian from a local repository
915 2014-02-05 13:26:39 <wumpus> otherwise it drove me insane
916 2014-02-05 13:28:25 <wumpus> the elegant way would be to add a command line option to gbuild 'ignore the repository in the descriptor and fetch from this (local) one'
917 2014-02-05 13:28:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|That's with the descriptor at the head of your 2014_01_gitian_linux_deps_fix branch
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920 2014-02-05 13:29:32 <wumpus> in any case, I can build master with the new descriptors and cross-check with you, no problem
921 2014-02-05 13:29:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: Well, if you think about it, it makes sense given gitian's goal, which is to build in a deterministic way
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923 2014-02-05 13:30:17 <wumpus> yes, but usually I want to build in a deterministic way from my local repository, not the upstream one
924 2014-02-05 13:30:36 <wumpus> otherwise it's impossible to test other pulls in gitian, for example
925 2014-02-05 13:31:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I guess.
926 2014-02-05 13:31:11 <wumpus> (which is also what happens, almost no one tests their pulls in gitian or while developing)
927 2014-02-05 13:31:48 <wumpus> so a day before the release all the gitian problems come to light :P
928 2014-02-05 13:31:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I dislike the way Ubuntu handles multiple windows of one application
929 2014-02-05 13:32:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: hey, I ran a gbuild at some point a couple weeks ago
930 2014-02-05 13:32:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(it's the way I know to build a Windows binary)
931 2014-02-05 13:33:02 <wumpus> yes it's also the only way in which I build windows binaries nowadays, I had my own cross-build script that ran natively but it's far out of date
932 2014-02-05 13:33:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But at the time it was git master that I was trying to build, so...
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934 2014-02-05 13:34:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(it was when Jeff updated bootstrap.dat to 279,000)
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937 2014-02-05 13:35:24 <wumpus> in any case, just report which exact commit id you built and I'll build the same and compare
938 2014-02-05 13:35:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|v0.9.0rc1
939 2014-02-05 13:36:02 <wumpus> so you built 0.9.0rc1 with the descriptors of #3622?
940 2014-02-05 13:36:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yes
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942 2014-02-05 13:36:12 <wumpus> ok, I'll do the same
943 2014-02-05 13:36:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6879035/
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948 2014-02-05 13:37:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|micha@micha-Precise-ExtHD:~/GitianBuild/gitian-builder$ sha256sum build/out/src/bitcoin-0.9.0.tar.gz
949 2014-02-05 13:37:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|65825311a3860984ed7cafdb2f603ea69520f87ed33fafbb5d4ebbe2cfc576ec build/out/src/bitcoin-0.9.0.tar.gz
950 2014-02-05 13:37:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|64-bit is running now
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952 2014-02-05 13:38:16 <warren> wumpus: FWIW, the very first win64 build I left running before my trip to Asia. got back today and it was still running with no crash.
953 2014-02-05 13:38:40 * warren failing to sleep.
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957 2014-02-05 13:41:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;later tell devrandom Did you see my comment about the Vagrantfile in Gitian?
958 2014-02-05 13:41:32 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
959 2014-02-05 13:42:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;later tell devrandom If not: I checked, and unless there's something I'm missing, it's not fully equivalent to what make-base-vm does to make a KVM base VM...
960 2014-02-05 13:42:43 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
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964 2014-02-05 13:46:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: done
965 2014-02-05 13:46:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|micha@micha-Precise-ExtHD:~/GitianBuild/gitian-builder$ head -n30 result/bitcoin-res.yml | pastebinit
966 2014-02-05 13:46:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|http://paste.ubuntu.com/6879066/
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969 2014-02-05 13:47:41 <wumpus> mine is still building
970 2014-02-05 13:48:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Okay, I g2g
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972 2014-02-05 13:48:56 <wumpus> okay, later
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974 2014-02-05 13:48:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You can check if that matches
975 2014-02-05 13:49:04 <wumpus> yes
976 2014-02-05 13:49:12 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And maybe later I'll test for determinism in lxc
977 2014-02-05 13:50:50 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: all match
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982 2014-02-05 13:51:37 <goodbtc> I may be offtopic and have no idea if this is relevant, maybe sometime this could be important: http://mina.naguib.ca/blog/2012/10/22/the-little-ssh-that-sometimes-couldnt.html
983 2014-02-05 13:52:08 <wumpus> seems we have an actual deterministic build now, including intermediate targets, first time since the autotools switch... at least for linux, next stop would be windows
984 2014-02-05 13:52:12 <goodbtc> tl,dr : packet corrupted but checksum ok
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988 2014-02-05 13:53:25 <wumpus> goodbtc: sounds familiar; I've had lots of those problems a few years ago with mobile internet connections
989 2014-02-05 13:55:40 <goodbtc> i hope it cannot affect a public key trenasmitted over the network, for example
990 2014-02-05 13:55:55 <wumpus> the IP-level checksum is lame and there's a considerable % of packets that make it through despite the checksum checking
991 2014-02-05 13:56:21 <wumpus> it can
992 2014-02-05 13:56:52 <goodbtc> call satoshi :P
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994 2014-02-05 13:57:20 <wumpus> pgp-sign (or otherwise authenticate) your messages that contain public keys
995 2014-02-05 13:57:36 <wumpus> consider network corruption a MITM attack by nature
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1000 2014-02-05 14:03:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: cool
1001 2014-02-05 14:03:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|When I get home I'll test lxc
1002 2014-02-05 14:04:07 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: binaries all match but src/bitcoin-0.9.0.tar.gz doesn't match... wtf :)
1003 2014-02-05 14:04:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|In my vm, and maybe I'll also spin up a do droplet
1004 2014-02-05 14:05:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: yeah, I've noticed those send to be non-set
1005 2014-02-05 14:05:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|tend* non-det*
1006 2014-02-05 14:05:37 <wumpus> I suppose the .tar.gz needs a sorting step as wll
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1008 2014-02-05 14:06:14 <wumpus> file systems tend to return files in non-determnistic order. And maybe the timestamps or other file attributes need to be normalized...
1009 2014-02-05 14:06:27 <wumpus> it's a nightmare
1010 2014-02-05 14:07:25 <sipa> find | sort | tar -T /dev/stdin
1011 2014-02-05 14:08:02 <sipa> and maybe use --mtime to tar, to prevent it from storing mtimes of the actual files
1012 2014-02-05 14:08:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sipa: he already does something like that in boost and deps
1013 2014-02-05 14:08:32 <wumpus> yes, that's what I made zip do, but the .tar.gz is created by 'make dist' internally
1014 2014-02-05 14:08:40 <wumpus> so it needs to go through a kind of whitening filter
1015 2014-02-05 14:10:01 <wumpus> hm no, that's for the source archive returned with the windows deps
1016 2014-02-05 14:10:15 <wumpus> this one is created in the gitian descriptor itself so sipa's solution is easy to apply
1017 2014-02-05 14:11:26 <wumpus> hm no it isn't.. that's a tar xf
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1020 2014-02-05 14:12:00 <wumpus> it doesn't build a .tar.gz with the binaries in it at all
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1022 2014-02-05 14:13:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: yeah, release-process.md does that
1023 2014-02-05 14:14:11 <wumpus> I suppose that's because the 32 and 64 bit files are collected over two VM runs
1024 2014-02-05 14:14:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yeah
1025 2014-02-05 14:14:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Wait, if there are two builds
1026 2014-02-05 14:14:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And they produce a src tarball
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1028 2014-02-05 14:15:05 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Does the 32-bit tarball just get overwritten by the 64-bit one?
1029 2014-02-05 14:15:38 <wumpus> yes :-)
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1031 2014-02-05 14:16:16 <sipa> hopefully the generated source is independent of the target platform :)
1032 2014-02-05 14:16:25 <wumpus> hopefully :)
1033 2014-02-05 14:16:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|...
1034 2014-02-05 14:16:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You know what I mean.
1035 2014-02-05 14:16:52 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|hopes that the digital dog in the bus stop is wrong
1036 2014-02-05 14:16:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sign on*
1037 2014-02-05 14:17:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|How'd autocorrect get from sign to dog?
1038 2014-02-05 14:17:22 <Diablo-D3> lol.
1039 2014-02-05 14:17:27 <wumpus> hehehehhe
1040 2014-02-05 14:17:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh, I get it
1041 2014-02-05 14:17:32 <Diablo-D3> get your digital dog on.
1042 2014-02-05 14:17:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|D and S are together
1043 2014-02-05 14:17:59 <Diablo-D3> wasd ftw
1044 2014-02-05 14:18:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I and O are together as well
1045 2014-02-05 14:18:14 <wumpus> autocorrect is a threat to the sanity of human communication!
1046 2014-02-05 14:18:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: while it messed up a lot
1047 2014-02-05 14:18:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|messes*... How ironic
1048 2014-02-05 14:18:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It fixes a hell of a lot more
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1050 2014-02-05 14:19:02 <wumpus> it will be forbidden after WW3 is started by an autocorrect mistake
1051 2014-02-05 14:19:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I hope not
1052 2014-02-05 14:19:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If that happens it'll mean much slower typing
1053 2014-02-05 14:19:50 <sipa> wumpus: sounds like a hilarious plot for a hollywood doomsday-comedy
1054 2014-02-05 14:19:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(On mobile, that is)
1055 2014-02-05 14:19:59 <wumpus> sipa: yes :)
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1058 2014-02-05 14:23:11 <Grouver> sipa, Would you know by any coincidence why 0.9.0rc1 doesnt load up my request url containing a signed paymentrequest file when I click the bitcoin uri? It does load up when i manually download the regarding payment request file and load it up in the client. Really weird.
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1060 2014-02-05 14:23:43 <wumpus> anything in debug.log?
1061 2014-02-05 14:23:46 <sipa> Grouver: i know nothing about GUI stuff :)
1062 2014-02-05 14:23:52 <Grouver> :(
1063 2014-02-05 14:24:02 <wumpus> can you give the link?
1064 2014-02-05 14:24:54 <wumpus> I can debug the issue probably
1065 2014-02-05 14:24:56 <Grouver> wumpus, Its a localhost link. So. I can give it to you but it wouldnt work on your side.
1066 2014-02-05 14:25:02 <wumpus> hmm
1067 2014-02-05 14:25:10 <Grouver> This worked last time though.
1068 2014-02-05 14:25:22 <Grouver> last time = a couple of months back
1069 2014-02-05 14:25:34 <wumpus> so, anything in debug.log?
1070 2014-02-05 14:26:11 <wumpus> it maybe you need to pass -debug=qt to get it to spew verbose messages about that
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1080 2014-02-05 14:41:13 <jgarzik> mornin'
1081 2014-02-05 14:41:41 <jgarzik> Grouver, I wonder if it's an issue with signed requests
1082 2014-02-05 14:41:55 <Grouver> it is :)
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1084 2014-02-05 14:42:36 <Grouver> but, when you load the payment request file itself, it will show you a green screen.
1085 2014-02-05 14:43:52 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|hopes the Begin is backed up
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1093 2014-02-05 14:53:23 <Grouver> are payment requests through URI: nog logged?
1094 2014-02-05 14:53:26 <Grouver> *not
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1100 2014-02-05 14:59:24 <jgarzik> Grouver, seems like an oversight, if so
1101 2014-02-05 14:59:36 <jgarzik> Grouver, BitPay is working on testing payment requests right now, too
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1108 2014-02-05 15:04:32 <wumpus> Grouver: maybe optionally, have you tried passing -debug=qt ?
1109 2014-02-05 15:05:04 <wumpus> there should be some logging for payment requests
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1111 2014-02-05 15:05:23 <wumpus> but it may be optional after the 0.9 logging changes
1112 2014-02-05 15:05:27 <Grouver> it is just -debug
1113 2014-02-05 15:05:39 <wumpus> that's ok, -debug should enable all debugging
1114 2014-02-05 15:06:26 <Grouver> We have watched the debug output. We saw that the cert chaining failed. Strangly enough we only saw this error once in the debug output.
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1116 2014-02-05 15:07:11 <Grouver> If we load the bitcoin uri containing the payment request again debug doesnt show the same error again. Really weird.
1117 2014-02-05 15:07:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|How does debug=1 in 0.9 compare to the default pre-0.9
1118 2014-02-05 15:07:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|?
1119 2014-02-05 15:08:04 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: enables all debug information
1120 2014-02-05 15:08:14 <wumpus> very, very noisy
1121 2014-02-05 15:08:31 <wumpus> that's why -debug was split into categories
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1123 2014-02-05 15:08:44 <wumpus> --help should show which ones
1124 2014-02-05 15:08:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The amount of debug verbosity was reduced between 0.8 and 0.9, wasn't it?
1125 2014-02-05 15:09:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|By default, that is
1126 2014-02-05 15:09:08 <wumpus> if you don't provide -debug, yes
1127 2014-02-05 15:09:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What was removed?
1128 2014-02-05 15:09:25 <wumpus> don't know by heart
1129 2014-02-05 15:09:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Okay
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1131 2014-02-05 15:09:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Is the data with -debug the same as it was before?
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1133 2014-02-05 15:10:46 <wumpus> I don't think so, I think it logs more now, not sure though...
1134 2014-02-05 15:11:18 <wumpus> you do realize that 0.8 is a year ago, that's ancient history in bitcoin terms :)
1135 2014-02-05 15:11:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Wow, really?
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1137 2014-02-05 15:11:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|When was 0.8.2?
1138 2014-02-05 15:12:17 <wumpus> 0.8.0 was feb 2013, dunno about .2
1139 2014-02-05 15:12:24 <sipa> $ git show v0.8.0
1140 2014-02-05 15:12:24 <sipa> tag v0.8.0
1141 2014-02-05 15:12:24 <sipa> Tagger: Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com>
1142 2014-02-05 15:12:24 <sipa> Date: Mon Feb 18 18:49:32 2013 -0500
1143 2014-02-05 15:12:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hmm, battery's about to die
1144 2014-02-05 15:12:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Almost home, though...
1145 2014-02-05 15:12:38 <sipa> 0.8.2 was in may
1146 2014-02-05 15:13:15 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|is on a bus
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1149 2014-02-05 15:14:01 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|greets Gavin
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1152 2014-02-05 15:16:57 <Grouver> wumpus, I am using gavins php payment request lib for this. But its an old one. From about 2~3 months ago. Would this maybe matter anything?
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1154 2014-02-05 15:17:23 <Grouver> Ill try launching it with debug=qt for now.
1155 2014-02-05 15:17:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wimpish: okay, about a minute away
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1157 2014-02-05 15:19:04 <wumpus> Grouver: should only make a difference if it still uses request= instead of r=, apart from that nothing changed in the standard
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1159 2014-02-05 15:19:45 <Grouver> Right, well its using the ?request parameter. So thats not it then.
1160 2014-02-05 15:20:15 <wumpus> ?r= I hope?
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1164 2014-02-05 15:21:40 <wumpus> ?request= is what *doesn't* work anymore, it was shortened for compactness in qr codes and such
1165 2014-02-05 15:21:49 <Grouver> wumpus fixed. Wow. ;_;
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1168 2014-02-05 15:22:19 <wumpus> heh
1169 2014-02-05 15:22:38 <Grouver> It was using ?request
1170 2014-02-05 15:24:14 <Grouver> Right. Thanks for the help.
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1179 2014-02-05 15:33:53 <nkuttler> do i need some newer release to send to 2NBSPnairPi7NvWWLHvZMV5FAyWy8wYEQA? should be valid, shouldn't it?
1180 2014-02-05 15:35:18 <sipa> what type of address is that?
1181 2014-02-05 15:35:23 <nkuttler> testnet
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1183 2014-02-05 15:35:47 <nkuttler> i got a request on my faucet, no idea who generated it
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1185 2014-02-05 15:35:56 <sipa> testnet addresses start with a m or n i thought
1186 2014-02-05 15:36:07 <nkuttler> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/List_of_address_prefixes
1187 2014-02-05 15:36:13 <nkuttler> 2 Testnet script hash
1188 2014-02-05 15:36:39 <sipa> oh, testnet p2sh
1189 2014-02-05 15:36:41 <nkuttler> not sure though what script hash means..
1190 2014-02-05 15:37:10 <wumpus> nkuttler: seems to get a checksum mismatch
1191 2014-02-05 15:37:16 <nkuttler> wumpus: oh
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1193 2014-02-05 15:37:37 <nkuttler> wumpus: yeah, on 0.8.6
1194 2014-02-05 15:37:50 <nkuttler> but i vaguely remember this format being used for multi sig transactions.. or something..
1195 2014-02-05 15:38:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|nkuttler: ,,(bc,wiki p2sh)
1196 2014-02-05 15:38:09 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0016 | Dec 6, 2013 ... This page describes a BIP (Bitcoin Improvement Proposal). Please see BIP 0001 for more information about BIPs and creating them. Please do ...
1197 2014-02-05 15:38:27 <nkuttler> michagogo|cloud: thanks
1198 2014-02-05 15:38:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Heh, "17:06:01 <michagogo|cloud> wimpish: okay, about a minute away" made it through
1199 2014-02-05 15:38:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|My battery died as I sent it
1200 2014-02-05 15:39:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And couldn't fix the autocorrect
1201 2014-02-05 15:39:18 <wumpus> nkuttler: if it gets a checksum mismatch it will get a checksum mismatch on any version, that part hasn't changed since the beginning
1202 2014-02-05 15:39:42 <wumpus> newer version may add other address types (version bytes) but the checksum computation will not change
1203 2014-02-05 15:39:45 <nkuttler> wumpus: how did you know it's a checksum mismatch? validateaddress just says valid false
1204 2014-02-05 15:39:47 <wumpus> lol michagogo|cloud
1205 2014-02-05 15:40:07 <wumpus> nkuttler: python-bitcoinlib
1206 2014-02-05 15:40:12 <nkuttler> wumpus: ok, thanks
1207 2014-02-05 15:40:21 <nkuttler> i mean, it's just my faucet. i guess people could submit invalid addresses
1208 2014-02-05 15:40:51 <wumpus> maybe they clipped off a letter
1209 2014-02-05 15:40:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|nkuttler: if you don't validate, of course they could
1210 2014-02-05 15:40:58 <wumpus> or added one
1211 2014-02-05 15:41:06 <nkuttler> michagogo|cloud: i just throw it at bitcoind
1212 2014-02-05 15:41:17 <nkuttler> (later)
1213 2014-02-05 15:41:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Try truncating it, or adding each of the 58 chars
1214 2014-02-05 15:41:26 <wumpus> hehe
1215 2014-02-05 15:41:29 <nkuttler> heh
1216 2014-02-05 15:41:36 <nkuttler> oh well, i guess i'll pass :)
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1246 2014-02-05 16:17:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: sorry, got distracted when I got home
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1248 2014-02-05 16:18:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|D'you want a copy of my src tarball?
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1253 2014-02-05 16:23:21 <Subo1977> 31NAAEFTQ: which means your username?
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1259 2014-02-05 16:27:21 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: first trying to add sorting/time normalizing to the tar output, then that will make sense
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1264 2014-02-05 16:31:04 <jiffe98> is there anything special about the genesis block that it needs to be hard coded?
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1270 2014-02-05 16:36:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: Okay -- if you want it anyway, http://michagogo.cadoth.net/bitcoin-0.9.0.tar.gz
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1311 2014-02-05 17:19:17 <devrandom> michagogo|cloud: is the main concern about vagrant security or repeatability?
1312 2014-02-05 17:19:39 <devrandom> it's definitely not secure right now, since images are not verified
1313 2014-02-05 17:20:04 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I don't know, there may be concerns about those
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1315 2014-02-05 17:20:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What I was thinking, though, is that the Vagrant-generted VM should be as similar as possible to the KVM VMs that make-base-vm makes
1316 2014-02-05 17:21:25 <devrandom> I definitely agree
1317 2014-02-05 17:21:44 <devrandom> so need to investigate what the base image comes with and compare to what debbootstrap has
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1319 2014-02-05 17:21:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Indeed.
1320 2014-02-05 17:22:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Wait, debootstrap? That's used for KVM?
1321 2014-02-05 17:22:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I thought it's only used for LXC
1322 2014-02-05 17:22:16 <devrandom> that's what vmbuilder uses underneath
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1324 2014-02-05 17:22:26 <devrandom> vmbuilder is used for both KVM and LXC
1325 2014-02-05 17:22:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|erm...
1326 2014-02-05 17:22:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sudo apt-get install debootstrap lxc # for LXC mode
1327 2014-02-05 17:22:49 <devrandom> AFAIK vmbuilder pulls deboostrap too
1328 2014-02-05 17:23:04 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|So why do you call for it specifically for lxc like that?
1329 2014-02-05 17:23:15 <devrandom> I don't recall writing that line ;)
1330 2014-02-05 17:23:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=python-vm-builder
1331 2014-02-05 17:23:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/python-vm-builder
1332 2014-02-05 17:24:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It does indeed depend on debootstrap
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1334 2014-02-05 17:24:09 <devrandom> yeah
1335 2014-02-05 17:24:12 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|As well as qemu-kvm...
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1337 2014-02-05 17:25:46 <jaakkos> when an SPV node gives filters to neighbors, do they have to go through whole blockchain to match them? utxo surely can't be enough because the SPV wants to know about history as wel?
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1339 2014-02-05 17:26:11 <devrandom> jaakkos: it's up to the node to ask the peer for blocks after setting up the filter
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1341 2014-02-05 17:26:40 <devrandom> the node can ask for just a range of blocks if they already scanned earlier ones or have a reason to believe that the address wasn't used before a certain time
1342 2014-02-05 17:26:45 <devrandom> e.g. timestamp on the key
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1344 2014-02-05 17:28:21 <jaakkos> alright, that makes sense
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1347 2014-02-05 17:30:43 <devrandom> interesting for autonomous agents: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/02/cryptography-breakthrough/
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1351 2014-02-05 17:33:41 <omefire> Hi
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1353 2014-02-05 17:33:54 <omefire> I'm trying to understand how bitcoin-qt calculates the balance.
1354 2014-02-05 17:34:15 <omefire> from whatever I have glanced from the code, it seems like the UI gets the balance from CWallet.getBalance()
1355 2014-02-05 17:34:34 <omefire> nd CWallet maintains an in-memory data structure of transactions : mapWallet or something similar
1356 2014-02-05 17:34:47 <omefire> my question is : who calls/notifies CWallet about new transactions so that it can update itself ?
1357 2014-02-05 17:34:56 <omefire> I have found that CWallet gets notified about new transactions by main.cpp via boost sigals .
1358 2014-02-05 17:35:04 <omefire> but who calls main.cpp about transactions updates ?
1359 2014-02-05 17:35:41 <jgarzik> omefire, fundamentally, your balance is your unspent outputs
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1361 2014-02-05 17:36:08 <jgarzik> omefire, that list of unspent outputs may be updated by (a) you, creating a new transaction or (b) receiving new data from a transaction via the network
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1365 2014-02-05 17:37:12 <sipa> omefire: main (the validation engine, mostly) sees all blocks and transactions that are processed (seen on the network, or locally generated)
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1369 2014-02-05 17:38:32 <TD> devrandom: yes, the papers are quite interesting. but it's not really clear how far it is from practicality
1370 2014-02-05 17:38:42 <omefire> sipa : which class is the validation engine implemented in ? or the part that monitors network transactions ?
1371 2014-02-05 17:38:49 <TD> devrandom: there are important impossibility results lurking at every corner
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1373 2014-02-05 17:40:18 <devrandom> TD: I see... will look at it further.
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1375 2014-02-05 17:41:06 <omefire> jgarzik + sipa, : And also : at any point in time, I have access to the whole blockchain on disk, right ? so, I can potentially look up unspent transactions for any addresses, not just those in my wallet. am I wrong ?
1376 2014-02-05 17:41:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|omefire: You have the UTXO set, as a full node, yes
1377 2014-02-05 17:42:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If you want to be able to look up arbitrary transactions, set txindex=1 in yhe conf file
1378 2014-02-05 17:42:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Note that you'll need to reindex to activate that
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1380 2014-02-05 17:42:55 <sipa> omefire: you have the whole blockchain on disk, but not indexed
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1382 2014-02-05 17:43:25 <sipa> omefire: you only know where to find on disk every block, not where transactions are found, and certainly no information about addresses (those don't exist at the protocol level)
1383 2014-02-05 17:43:42 <sipa> omefire: there is however a separate and mostly independent database of all unspent transaction outputs
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1385 2014-02-05 17:44:17 <sipa> omefire: validation is implemented in various classes and functions in main.cpp, coins.cpp, script.cpp, ...
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1387 2014-02-05 17:45:09 <jbitcm-_> can you help me please
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1389 2014-02-05 17:45:26 <omefire> sipa: how do I access the UTXO database ?
1390 2014-02-05 17:45:40 <sipa> omefire: the pcoinsTip object
1391 2014-02-05 17:46:03 <sipa> omefire: it represents the set of unspent transaction output at the currently-active block
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1395 2014-02-05 17:50:02 <omefire> sipa: this means that pcoinsTip is upto date ? (confused about the " currently-active block" part)
1396 2014-02-05 17:50:18 <sipa> it is up to date when it is up to date
1397 2014-02-05 17:50:33 <omefire> sipa: :)
1398 2014-02-05 17:50:36 <sipa> obviously while it is being brought up to date, it is not
1399 2014-02-05 17:50:43 <sipa> but usually, at stable points in the program, it is
1400 2014-02-05 17:50:56 <sipa> and how do you define up to date?
1401 2014-02-05 17:51:05 <sipa> there can always be a new block on the network you don't know about yet
1402 2014-02-05 17:51:55 <omefire> sipa: up to date = data gets refreshed constantly, at least every 15 minutes or so.
1403 2014-02-05 17:52:09 <sipa> there is no such guarantee
1404 2014-02-05 17:52:16 <sipa> when you're building the index, it can take hours
1405 2014-02-05 17:52:45 <sipa> the only guanrantee is that at stable points in the code (while cs_main is not being held, for example), pcoinsTip is synchronized with chainActive
1406 2014-02-05 17:53:28 <omefire> makes sense.
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1413 2014-02-05 17:56:35 <omefire> sipa : if instead of going through pcoinsTip, I wanted to access the UTXO from a separate program, is there a file or database file that I can open up and read from ?
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1415 2014-02-05 17:56:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|omefire: the chainstate directory
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1419 2014-02-05 17:59:31 <omefire> michaelgogo: thanks.
1420 2014-02-05 17:59:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|omefire: Micha isn't short for Michael
1421 2014-02-05 18:00:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micha
1422 2014-02-05 18:00:34 <omefire> micha : Oops ! sorry
1423 2014-02-05 18:00:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|np :)
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1425 2014-02-05 18:02:21 <omefire> micha : so in order to read the UTXO, I'd have to read and parse these files in chainstate folder ?
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1427 2014-02-05 18:02:54 <omefire> hmmm, it won't be fun
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1431 2014-02-05 18:04:03 <wumpus> I wouldn't suggest trying to parse the chainstate data yourself, it's not a supported interface
1432 2014-02-05 18:04:23 <wumpus> also AFAIK you cannot access the leveldb data while bitcoind is running
1433 2014-02-05 18:05:59 <jgarzik> wumpus, correct
1434 2014-02-05 18:06:10 <jgarzik> though "should not" is perhaps a better phrase :)
1435 2014-02-05 18:06:25 <omefire> ok,
1436 2014-02-05 18:07:08 <omefire> can I compute the UTXO myself by using code similar to this one ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117866.0
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1444 2014-02-05 18:14:10 <omefire> or I could maybe make the UTXO accessible via json-rpc by reindexing (conf = -txindex 1) ?
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1450 2014-02-05 18:17:51 <midnightmagic> does anyone know if the -Wl,-z,relro and -z,now hardening flags were supposed to wipe out the LDFLAGS from the build environment on purpose?
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1452 2014-02-05 18:18:31 <midnightmagic> I'll assume "no".
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1455 2014-02-05 18:20:33 <wumpus> midnightmagic: no, they're not
1456 2014-02-05 18:20:54 <midnightmagic> wumpus: Thanks. If this build ends up working, maybe i should do a pullreq
1457 2014-02-05 18:21:15 <wumpus> omefire: I guess the way would be to adapt bitcoind to add the UTXO queries that you need
1458 2014-02-05 18:22:34 <wumpus> omefire: computing the UTXO yourself is notoriously difficult to get right
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1461 2014-02-05 18:23:55 <midnightmagic> Running 110 test cases... *** No errors detected <-- unit tests on NetBSD
1462 2014-02-05 18:23:59 <wumpus> midnightmagic: looks very wrong, I guess it should be using HARDENED_LDFLAGS and it's also overwriting the LDFLAGS instead of appending to them
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1465 2014-02-05 18:25:05 <midnightmagic> wumpus: Presuming to do as little damage as possible, I just modified the assignment to append the flags to LDFLAGS
1466 2014-02-05 18:25:23 <midnightmagic> and it looks like bitcoind is sync'ing up right now.
1467 2014-02-05 18:25:29 <midnightmagic> well that was easy.
1468 2014-02-05 18:26:10 <wumpus> but if you look at the lines above it they append to HARDENED_LDFLAGS
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1471 2014-02-05 18:27:45 <wumpus> which later on get appended to LDFLAGS anyway
1472 2014-02-05 18:28:42 <midnightmagic> wumpus: I saw that. I like to presume the guy doing whatever it was he was doing did it on purpose. It ends up working either way.
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1474 2014-02-05 18:29:21 <midnightmagic> I think I'll make a pkgsrc entry.
1475 2014-02-05 18:29:40 <wumpus> build systems generally remind me of those contraptions from the incredible machine games
1476 2014-02-05 18:29:44 <midnightmagic> ah there's a wip entry already cool
1477 2014-02-05 18:30:33 <wumpus> anyway, are you going to submit a pull or should I do it?
1478 2014-02-05 18:30:39 <midnightmagic> is "noud4" in here somewhere?
1479 2014-02-05 18:31:06 <midnightmagic> wumpus: I can do it, just need a couple minutes to reconstruct.
1480 2014-02-05 18:31:32 <wumpus> okay
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1482 2014-02-05 18:32:24 <midnightmagic> I'm curious as heck to know how the wip/ tree fixed the endian detection now..
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1484 2014-02-05 18:33:56 <wumpus> endian detection? in bitcoin?
1485 2014-02-05 18:34:18 <jgarzik> hehehe
1486 2014-02-05 18:34:41 <midnightmagic> yeah there's some platform endian detection in the leveldb tree right beside some other platform-specific detections and it gets it wrong for netbs.
1487 2014-02-05 18:35:25 <midnightmagic> gets it right for the other stuff. wrong for the PLATFORM_IS_LITTLE_ENDIAN macro. Which is really weird. I guess it assumes the define is configured by configure or something.
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1495 2014-02-05 18:41:41 <midnightmagic> wumpus: The weird thing is it wipes out the other $LDFLAGS like --large-address-aware ..
1496 2014-02-05 18:42:13 <wumpus> midnightmagic: well that's not weird, those two lines in configure.ac are just wrong
1497 2014-02-05 18:42:22 <midnightmagic> I mean "the other ldflags" not the hardened
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1499 2014-02-05 18:42:26 <midnightmagic> lol
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1501 2014-02-05 18:42:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: My VM is updating its packages
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1503 2014-02-05 18:43:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(it has been for a while...)
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1508 2014-02-05 18:47:00 <skinnkavaj> If you send BTC to an exchange and then withdraw it, can you trace it? If so how? Since there is no from address
1509 2014-02-05 18:47:10 <midnightmagic> wumpus: there we go.
1510 2014-02-05 18:47:21 <warren> adobe flash exploit in wild, users probably need to update or coins will be stolen.
1511 2014-02-05 18:47:55 Plinker_ is now known as Plinker
1512 2014-02-05 18:48:21 <midnightmagic> warren: cool!
1513 2014-02-05 18:48:35 <midnightmagic> warren: Can you send me a private link?
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1519 2014-02-05 18:49:37 <warren> it's in the news
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1521 2014-02-05 18:50:28 <skinnkavaj> warren: Is chrome sandboxed affected?
1522 2014-02-05 18:50:41 <wumpus> people need to uninstall adobe flash urgently
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1525 2014-02-05 18:51:50 <midnightmagic> gavinandresen: You're still doing the changing host thing and your IP is there.
1526 2014-02-05 18:52:19 <warren> skinnkavaj: disconnect from internet and you'll be 99.999% secure
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1530 2014-02-05 18:53:13 <gavinandresen> midnightmagic: mmm. I'm traveling today, on a train underneath new york city at the moment.
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1533 2014-02-05 18:53:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen: You have an internet connection?
1534 2014-02-05 18:54:23 <gavinandresen> michagogo|cloud: yes, through Amtrak train connection... might get flaky, though.
1535 2014-02-05 18:54:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh, Amtrak
1536 2014-02-05 18:54:38 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|assumed MTA
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1538 2014-02-05 18:55:19 <gavinandresen> I was supposed to visit Princeton today, but they're closed due to weather...
1539 2014-02-05 18:55:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|IIRC the one time I looked at Amtrak, the ticket would have been ~80% of the price of a flight
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1574 2014-02-05 19:11:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: Okay, running the builds with your 2014_01_gitian_linux_deps_fix descriptors
1575 2014-02-05 19:11:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|On a DO droplet, and also on a VM once make-base-vm finishes making a base VM for precise-i386 (apparently I didn't have one for some reason)
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1577 2014-02-05 19:13:23 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: ok, great
1578 2014-02-05 19:13:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(LXC, of course)
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1580 2014-02-05 19:14:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: Okay, DO just finished the first part: micha@gitian:~/build/gitian-builder$ sha256sum build/out/bitcoin-deps-linux32-gitian-r3.zip
1581 2014-02-05 19:14:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|38658a215429992a8d066f827b6f46ca63abc14173983647d16ac0e21a9ddfb7 build/out/bitcoin-deps-linux32-gitian-r3.zip
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1583 2014-02-05 19:15:34 <wumpus> matches
1584 2014-02-05 19:15:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|woot
1585 2014-02-05 19:15:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Next question, will it match, say, tomorrow
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1593 2014-02-05 19:17:36 <wumpus> well if it's something date-based it should already be mismatching today, I generated the sha256s in the issue yesterday
1594 2014-02-05 19:18:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah, good
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1600 2014-02-05 19:27:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: 2dc3b04d0bb03e1ad0c18dfe1c5635aa6e3741a7a6173203554d8345cd5b5a95 bitcoin-deps-linux64-gitian-r3.zip
1601 2014-02-05 19:27:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|building deps now
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1604 2014-02-05 19:29:06 <midnightmagic> sigh.
1605 2014-02-05 19:29:16 <midnightmagic> that's what I get for being lazy
1606 2014-02-05 19:29:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|midnightmagic: what is?
1607 2014-02-05 19:29:40 <midnightmagic> messing up the simplest possible pullreq there basically could be
1608 2014-02-05 19:31:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|3632?
1609 2014-02-05 19:31:06 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: matches
1610 2014-02-05 19:31:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Also, I disagree about "the simplest possible pullreq there basically could be"
1611 2014-02-05 19:31:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I've made simpler
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1613 2014-02-05 19:31:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pulls/Michagogo?direction=desc&page=1&sort=created&state=closed
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1615 2014-02-05 19:32:16 <wumpus> nah, don't feel ashamed, some people even botch creating issues without attached code https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3630
1616 2014-02-05 19:32:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I would say https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3362/files is probably the simplest possible pullreq there basically could be
1617 2014-02-05 19:32:27 <midnightmagic> lol
1618 2014-02-05 19:32:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wth
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1620 2014-02-05 19:33:10 <wumpus> or what about the people that try to merge one branch (like 0.8.6) into master and submit that as pull, that happened a few times and is a true wtf
1621 2014-02-05 19:33:28 <wumpus> (without any additional commits, and without text)
1622 2014-02-05 19:34:20 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: don't forget merge requests for PPCoin and Litecoin!
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1624 2014-02-05 19:34:40 <wumpus> for example https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3463
1625 2014-02-05 19:35:01 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: hah, yes, that has happened too
1626 2014-02-05 19:37:04 <jgarzik> for some reason, my cpuminer project gets a lot of pull requests for cgminer
1627 2014-02-05 19:37:18 <jgarzik> I'll get mile-long pull requests with hundreds of commits
1628 2014-02-05 19:39:32 <wumpus> maybe they think they're helpful, they're adding gpu support ! :)
1629 2014-02-05 19:40:34 <midnightmagic> hrm. is there a way to delete a pullreq?
1630 2014-02-05 19:41:02 <wumpus> there doesn't seem to be one, why?
1631 2014-02-05 19:41:13 <midnightmagic> just messy.
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1633 2014-02-05 19:41:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|38658a215429992a8d066f827b6f46ca63abc14173983647d16ac0e21a9ddfb7 build/gitian-builder/build/out/bitcoin-deps-linux32-gitian-r3.zip
1634 2014-02-05 19:41:38 <jgarzik> midnightmagic, github support staff manual request will do it
1635 2014-02-05 19:41:50 <jgarzik> midnightmagic, all normal humans may do is close
1636 2014-02-05 19:41:51 <midnightmagic> okie dokie
1637 2014-02-05 19:41:57 <wumpus> midnightmagic: you don't need to create a new pull, you can just re-push to the old branch
1638 2014-02-05 19:42:02 <midnightmagic> no big deal
1639 2014-02-05 19:42:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yeah, github doesn't allow for deleting much
1640 2014-02-05 19:42:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But yo-what wumpus said
1641 2014-02-05 19:42:10 <jgarzik> +1 wumpus
1642 2014-02-05 19:42:42 <midnightmagic> then two commits get pulled in don't they?
1643 2014-02-05 19:42:45 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: matches
1644 2014-02-05 19:42:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|:D
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1647 2014-02-05 19:43:00 <wumpus> midnightmagic: no, they will just be overwritten
1648 2014-02-05 19:43:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|midnightmagic: yes
1649 2014-02-05 19:43:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|unless you amend/rebase
1650 2014-02-05 19:43:19 <wumpus> midnightmagic: (assuming you amended your old commit)
1651 2014-02-05 19:43:38 <midnightmagic> wumpus: Are you talking about a force-push to overwrite the old branch with a single other commit?
1652 2014-02-05 19:43:40 <wumpus> oh sure if you add another commit there will be two, but you can always squash those again using rebase
1653 2014-02-05 19:43:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Just make the change, add, `git commit --amend`, and then `git push --force`
1654 2014-02-05 19:43:49 <wumpus> midnightmagic: yes
1655 2014-02-05 19:43:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|midnightmagic: correct
1656 2014-02-05 19:43:51 <midnightmagic> ah, right.
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1658 2014-02-05 19:44:22 <midnightmagic> dangit, the kvm guest had a supervisor trap
1659 2014-02-05 19:44:33 <midnightmagic> bitcoind fried my netbsd guest. :)
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1661 2014-02-05 19:45:13 <wumpus> cpu overheat?
1662 2014-02-05 19:45:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|2dc3b04d0bb03e1ad0c18dfe1c5635aa6e3741a7a6173203554d8345cd5b5a95 bitcoin-deps-linux64-gitian-r3.zip
1663 2014-02-05 19:45:44 <midnightmagic> might be a kernel bug
1664 2014-02-05 19:45:51 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: good too
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1666 2014-02-05 19:46:05 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Okay, building v0.9.0rc1 with your descriptor
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1669 2014-02-05 19:47:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Crap
1670 2014-02-05 19:47:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Did I not move the boost zips to inputs/?
1671 2014-02-05 19:47:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|-_-
1672 2014-02-05 19:48:16 <wumpus> ouch
1673 2014-02-05 19:48:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hmm
1674 2014-02-05 19:49:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|How come gitian doesn't refuse to run if there are input files missing?
1675 2014-02-05 19:49:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|micha@gitian:~/build/gitian-builder$ ./bin/gbuild ../bitcoin/contrib/gitian-descriptors/gitian-linux.yml --commit bitcoin=v0.9.0rc1
1676 2014-02-05 19:49:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sha256sum: boost-linux32-1.55.0-gitian-r1.zip: No such file or directory
1677 2014-02-05 19:49:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sha256sum: boost-linux64-1.55.0-gitian-r1.zip: No such file or directory
1678 2014-02-05 19:49:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|remote: Counting objects: 31, done.
1679 2014-02-05 19:49:28 <wumpus> oh it refuses to run alright
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1681 2014-02-05 19:49:35 <wumpus> messy, but it does :)
1682 2014-02-05 19:49:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|No, I mean why doesn't gitian itself throw up an error
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1684 2014-02-05 19:50:05 <wumpus> probably because no one added that
1685 2014-02-05 19:50:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|odd
1686 2014-02-05 19:50:28 <wumpus> no one likes to spend a lot of time with gitian :)
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1689 2014-02-05 19:50:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yeah, but why have the ability to pull in input files, without requiring them to exist?
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1693 2014-02-05 19:54:06 <midnightmagic> man, git sure does make mirroring easy
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1695 2014-02-05 19:55:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hm?
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1697 2014-02-05 19:55:42 <midnightmagic> I have two hops before my gitian builder, of the bitcoin git repository
1698 2014-02-05 19:56:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Erm, could you rephrase that?
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1700 2014-02-05 19:57:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: Oh, wait, I think I just derped up and didn't build boost at all
1701 2014-02-05 19:57:12 <midnightmagic> github bitcoin repo -> local mirroring script written to help me mirror large numbers of external repositories -> internal storage machine -> gitian builder :)
1702 2014-02-05 19:57:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah
1703 2014-02-05 19:57:40 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: lol, you built the deps twice
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1705 2014-02-05 19:58:03 <midnightmagic> and it's just a git fetch --all or pull across the two intermediate hops.
1706 2014-02-05 19:58:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Indeed.
1707 2014-02-05 19:58:24 <midnightmagic> just nice that it works
1708 2014-02-05 19:58:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(last message was directed at wumpus)
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1710 2014-02-05 19:59:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|1e534dc2e337bc0ac35ebd6544e15c4641b245c621706cc2c03436de545c600a build/gitian-builder/build/out/boost-linux32-1.55.0-gitian-r1.zip
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1713 2014-02-05 20:00:16 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: good, matches
1714 2014-02-05 20:00:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Wow, make-base-vm in the VM on my laptop is taking a very long time
1715 2014-02-05 20:00:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Still not done
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1718 2014-02-05 20:03:30 <midnightmagic> whoah. not a lot of people still doing gitian builds is there
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1721 2014-02-05 20:04:32 <wumpus> why not midnightmagic?
1722 2014-02-05 20:04:40 <wumpus> join the fun!
1723 2014-02-05 20:04:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|midnightmagic: What makes you say that?
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1725 2014-02-05 20:05:10 <midnightmagic> wumpus: I did before when luke asked me to. I went back and did a whole whack of them including old-school 0.4.x* and the old win32.
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1728 2014-02-05 20:05:45 <midnightmagic> I would say it's hard to do that so not many people would. I needed to sync back the gitian builder yml.
1729 2014-02-05 20:05:46 <wumpus> well he's sort of right, before last week no one had run gitian on master for a long, long time
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1731 2014-02-05 20:06:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|21:54:18 <midnightmagic> I would say it's hard to do that so not many people would. I needed to sync back the gitian builder yml.
1732 2014-02-05 20:06:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|hmm?
1733 2014-02-05 20:06:35 <midnightmagic> michagogo|cloud: There should be lots of external people doing it too. Everyone should be who can.
1734 2014-02-05 20:06:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|midnightmagic: No, I meant the second paert
1735 2014-02-05 20:06:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|part*
1736 2014-02-05 20:06:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I agree with you on that point
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1740 2014-02-05 20:07:25 <midnightmagic> oh. For the earlier versions the yml file had to match IIRC, the tag I was trying to build, since gitian didn't (again IIRC) sync the yml file back before reading it.
1741 2014-02-05 20:07:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Erm, what?
1742 2014-02-05 20:07:40 <midnightmagic> then *getting ahold* of the deps was a real pita.
1743 2014-02-05 20:07:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I'm sorry, I'm not completely sure what you mean
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1745 2014-02-05 20:08:01 <wumpus> getting the deps is easy now, doc/release-process.md lists a series of wget commands to get them
1746 2014-02-05 20:08:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: It's done that for a while
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1748 2014-02-05 20:08:13 <midnightmagic> wumpus: Even for the old versions?
1749 2014-02-05 20:08:21 <wumpus> old versions of what?
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1751 2014-02-05 20:08:32 <midnightmagic> wumpus: The old 0.4.6 deps?
1752 2014-02-05 20:08:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But as some of the deps get updated, the links go dead as the old versions are moved to an archive URL
1753 2014-02-05 20:08:38 <midnightmagic> (when it was still wx?)
1754 2014-02-05 20:08:38 <wumpus> who would care about that?
1755 2014-02-05 20:08:51 <midnightmagic> dunno. Luke did.
1756 2014-02-05 20:08:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And in some cases (one case?), even removed
1757 2014-02-05 20:09:33 <wumpus> it's up to date for 0.8.6 and master, I'm not really concerned with older releases
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1760 2014-02-05 20:10:17 <midnightmagic> same with everyone else, I think that's why luke asked me to gitian them all--so he wasn't just the only one
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1763 2014-02-05 20:10:24 <wumpus> hehe
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1768 2014-02-05 20:12:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Do historical build sigs have any value?
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1770 2014-02-05 20:12:39 <kinlo> to check if an old installation has been modified?
1771 2014-02-05 20:12:47 <kinlo> dunno, doesn't hurt to keep em
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1776 2014-02-05 20:13:25 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: you want to start selling them? :)
1777 2014-02-05 20:13:38 <netg_> 77
1778 2014-02-05 20:13:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: no :-P
1779 2014-02-05 20:13:48 <wumpus> collectibles, here have your own unique historical bitcoin build signature!
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1782 2014-02-05 20:14:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I was thinking, maybe if I'm bored one day I might boot into my external Ubuntu drive and go back and fill in old sigs
1783 2014-02-05 20:14:19 <midnightmagic> michagogo|cloud: Yeah I think Luke was maintaining them and making occasional changes.
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1787 2014-02-05 20:14:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(boot into the external drive because until recently, the build used Wine, which apparently can't run in LXC)
1788 2014-02-05 20:15:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|1e534dc2e337bc0ac35ebd6544e15c4641b245c621706cc2c03436de545c600a boost-linux32-1.55.0-gitian-r1.zip
1789 2014-02-05 20:15:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|0473f96aa382d4448994fde4192155f3a96454a7436efdc04c5fc693b185d864 boost-linux64-1.55.0-gitian-r1.zip
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1798 2014-02-05 20:20:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: So for the Windows build I need to check out a different branch of yours, right?
1799 2014-02-05 20:20:56 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: yes, again with only descriptor changes
1800 2014-02-05 20:21:36 <wumpus> #3625
1801 2014-02-05 20:22:04 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah, that one doesn't even change the gitian-win.yml
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1804 2014-02-05 20:22:55 <wumpus> the gitian-win.yml is fine (apart from the source tarball generation), it's just the the intermediate outputs were not deterministic
1805 2014-02-05 20:23:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Why not make the gitian-win tarball deterministic as well?
1806 2014-02-05 20:23:44 <wumpus> (but the end product was, after the last round of gitian fixes that was merged before 0.9.0rc1)
1807 2014-02-05 20:23:49 <wumpus> because I haven't got around to that yet
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1810 2014-02-05 20:24:21 <wumpus> let's first test if it works with the linux deps...
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1812 2014-02-05 20:24:41 <wumpus> in any case, I can't do zillions of things at a time
1813 2014-02-05 20:24:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I'll let you know when the first half of the linux build completes
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1825 2014-02-05 20:34:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Heh, apparently KVM was originally Israeli
1826 2014-02-05 20:36:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6881221/
1827 2014-02-05 20:37:06 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: KVM was israeli? why?
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1829 2014-02-05 20:38:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-based_Virtual_Machine#History
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1837 2014-02-05 20:40:45 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: hm, the .tar.gz doesn't match
1838 2014-02-05 20:41:08 <wumpus> you did check out the most recent commit for the descriptors?
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1840 2014-02-05 20:41:35 <wumpus> (e41db5b)
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1844 2014-02-05 20:42:26 <wumpus> well in any case the executables match that's great :)
1845 2014-02-05 20:42:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: How do I check?
1846 2014-02-05 20:42:35 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: git show HEAD
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1848 2014-02-05 20:42:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|yes, commit e41db5bff5853113d1e2d45158c467d605db037c
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1850 2014-02-05 20:43:05 <wumpus> ok, weird then
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1854 2014-02-05 20:46:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: ftp://gitian.us.to
1855 2014-02-05 20:46:38 <wumpus> oh nooooooooooooooooooooo
1856 2014-02-05 20:46:54 <wumpus> gitian-linux.yml doesn't have a export TZ=UTC
1857 2014-02-05 20:47:38 <wumpus> let's check, but I suspect 99% sure that's the problem
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1862 2014-02-05 20:49:04 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: That server has the tarball
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1868 2014-02-05 20:52:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6881327/
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1876 2014-02-05 20:56:05 <devrandom> < midnightmagic> same with everyone else, I think that's why luke asked me to gitian them all...
1877 2014-02-05 20:56:07 <wumpus> I think I did something wrong in my own build
1878 2014-02-05 20:56:21 <devrandom> gitian has been verbed, I win! \o/
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1880 2014-02-05 20:56:29 <midnightmagic> :)
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1885 2014-02-05 20:59:15 <wumpus> hehe
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1887 2014-02-05 21:02:11 <wumpus> ... so the ordering used by the 'sort' utility actually depends on the LC
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1900 2014-02-05 21:16:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|devrandom: Why does gitian not require input files to actually exist?
1901 2014-02-05 21:16:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: lc?
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1903 2014-02-05 21:17:18 <wumpus> locale
1904 2014-02-05 21:18:53 <wumpus> seems that if your system locale is anything but 'C', sort will do a case insensitive sort, which depends on the locale...
1905 2014-02-05 21:19:15 <wumpus> not that it was the problem in this case, but I can see it causing problems with determinism too
1906 2014-02-05 21:20:53 <TD> BlueMatt: does moxie hang out on irc at all?
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1909 2014-02-05 21:21:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: did you grab my tarball and compare?
1910 2014-02-05 21:21:42 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: yes, already found the problem, forgot a --non-recursive flag on tar
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1913 2014-02-05 21:22:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah
1914 2014-02-05 21:22:20 <wumpus> so it was still doing recursion of its own, ignoring the sort
1915 2014-02-05 21:22:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Heh
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1945 2014-02-05 21:43:27 <devrandom> michagogo|cloud: it doesn't? probably a bug in that case
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1947 2014-02-05 21:45:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|devrandom: it prints a sha256sum error, because the file doesn't exist
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1949 2014-02-05 21:45:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But then it just keeps going
1950 2014-02-05 21:46:37 <devrandom> bug then
1951 2014-02-05 21:46:41 <devrandom> I'll file it
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1970 2014-02-05 22:03:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Just to make sure you know what I'm referring to.
1971 2014-02-05 22:03:42 <jiffe98> there anything out there that will parse a script into readable format
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1974 2014-02-05 22:05:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: I see you updated the PR -- trying it now
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1980 2014-02-05 22:08:12 <kreal> woops
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1988 2014-02-05 22:15:17 <nugget_> When a node broadcasts a transatcion, how many nodes does it broadcast to?
1989 2014-02-05 22:16:27 <jouke> Why do nodes forward transactions? What is their incentive?
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1992 2014-02-05 22:19:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|nugget_: Bitcoin Core broadcasts to anyone who will take it
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1994 2014-02-05 22:20:32 <nugget_> Who woulnt want to take it?
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1996 2014-02-05 22:23:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: 4f814c1fdef4676db39e19bc35427b22348e427a5d50c2cde0c947a0c67612b4 build/out/src/bitcoin-0.9.0.tar.gz
1997 2014-02-05 22:24:24 <jgarzik> another incredibly long email to the core devs (via forum PM)
1998 2014-02-05 22:24:28 <jgarzik> tl;dr
1999 2014-02-05 22:24:37 <BlueMatt> TD: not much afaik
2000 2014-02-05 22:24:47 <BlueMatt> TD: twitter, I think, is a good way to contact him
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2013 2014-02-05 22:43:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6881897/
2014 2014-02-05 22:44:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|That's on DO, --commit bitcoin=v0.9.0rc1, descriptors from 4debddc
2015 2014-02-05 22:47:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: uh-oh
2016 2014-02-05 22:47:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|In my local VM, c609049c60d96e193a172d0c5c0f44914032f562ee1691d18218bb3c0275ec32 build/out/bitcoin-deps-linux32-gitian-r3.zip
2017 2014-02-05 22:47:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|aea5d842642b299c7ca89daa1e1df477f43e04d413243df94ed5b5a0c526c5a0 build/out/bitcoin-deps-linux64-gitian-r3.zip
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2034 2014-02-05 23:02:53 <midnightmagic> holy crap gitian use is wayyyyyy easier than it used to be.
2035 2014-02-05 23:03:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|midnightmagic: Is it?
2036 2014-02-05 23:03:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|How so?
2037 2014-02-05 23:04:36 <midnightmagic> michagogo|cloud: I remember it being much more touchy and prone to errors.
2038 2014-02-05 23:04:49 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|shrugs
2039 2014-02-05 23:05:17 <midnightmagic> michagogo|cloud: What I mean is I remember it being much more tweaky. I had to carefully use a special package cacher, and tweak timeouts, and fiddle around with ssh invocation, etc.
2040 2014-02-05 23:05:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah
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2051 2014-02-05 23:11:40 <cagedwisdom> bitcoin, ripple,ethereum, are there any other cryptocurrencies with unique ideas?
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2064 2014-02-05 23:26:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: Ah, crud
2065 2014-02-05 23:26:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|3f7baf4ce8ee1150f3bf2948a569b73e6959dc2c241715ac924f12aa55148e13 build/out/boost-linux32-1.55.0-gitian-r1.zip
2066 2014-02-05 23:27:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|There's something wrong with my LXC set up in my VM
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2077 2014-02-05 23:37:39 <jiffe98> there anything out there that will parse a script into readable format?
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2095 2014-02-05 23:54:27 <andytoshi> jiffe98: i have a perl script which i used to have on -blocknotify to email me full block decodes
2096 2014-02-05 23:54:30 <andytoshi> one sec, i'll pastebin it
2097 2014-02-05 23:54:43 <devrandom> michagogo|cloud: got it
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2099 2014-02-05 23:57:59 <andytoshi> jiffe98: i lied, it was a C program doing the magic
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2101 2014-02-05 23:58:01 <andytoshi> main.c: http://0bin.net/paste/RA49EEEa1VW8k+Z0#daBlBrIuR1TwYlRBGeFJHa0rlwu5jRY9JKU/mamkpik=
2102 2014-02-05 23:58:22 <andytoshi> opcodes.h: http://0bin.net/paste/fclpipa1Pu4uOAHB#aBVdofmR/7N15Rk1qW5dsn5qFKEiVv8xN6QyTJmy5O8=
2103 2014-02-05 23:58:26 <andytoshi> (that's the whole thing)
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