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  19 2014-02-15 00:15:03 <maaku> Luke-Jr: no i meant people being unable to figure out solo mining in general
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  21 2014-02-15 00:15:29 <maaku> solopool shouldn't need to exist
  22 2014-02-15 00:15:34 <Luke-Jr> it doesn't.
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  28 2014-02-15 00:19:16 <ahmed_bodi> maaku: a p2pool integrated would be much better than solo mining
  29 2014-02-15 00:19:24 <ahmed_bodi> even if it was via a config option
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  31 2014-02-15 00:19:35 <ahmed_bodi> solo mining nowadays gets nothing
  32 2014-02-15 00:19:56 <Mallstromm> ahmed_bodi: depends on your hashrate :D
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  35 2014-02-15 00:20:28 <ahmed_bodi> Mallstromm: True, but im sure even those with huge hashrates might like to p2pool mine on a local node
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  38 2014-02-15 00:20:49 <Luke-Jr> ahmed_bodi: or they could mine on any of 10+ other pools
  39 2014-02-15 00:20:55 <ahmed_bodi> the only coin i know of thats adding p2pool is digitalcoin and thats in their lite wallet
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  42 2014-02-15 00:21:10 <ahmed_bodi> Luke-Jr:  like i said some people like a local node
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  44 2014-02-15 00:21:20 <ahmed_bodi> the whole idea of p2pool is to be distributed
  45 2014-02-15 00:21:32 <Luke-Jr> ahmed_bodi: yes, p2pool isn't the first nor the only of such pools
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  47 2014-02-15 00:21:58 <ahmed_bodi> which others are there? (i've not heard of any others so forgive my ignorance)
  48 2014-02-15 00:22:33 <Luke-Jr> ahmed_bodi: BitPenny was the first one; it used a fork of bitcoind (and got broken with P2SH)
  49 2014-02-15 00:22:58 <ahmed_bodi> ahh i've heard of bitpenny didnt know it was like p2pool though
  50 2014-02-15 00:23:24 <Luke-Jr> ahmed_bodi: any pool that supports the GBT standard (eg, Eligius) is also decentralised from the network's perspective, and can in theory use a local node (though support for this is still very limited)
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  53 2014-02-15 00:25:09 <ahmed_bodi> Luke-Jr:  thats true. but like you said you'reseld using a local node with gbt is limited
  54 2014-02-15 00:25:26 <ahmed_bodi> and the use of GBT is limited
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  56 2014-02-15 00:25:42 <ahmed_bodi> the only pools with support afaik are triplemining, bitminter and eligius
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  59 2014-02-15 00:27:40 <kinlo> ahmed_bodi: actually, triplemining dropped support :/
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  61 2014-02-15 00:28:06 <Luke-Jr> ahmed_bodi: hopefully it will improve, as GBT implementation progresses
  62 2014-02-15 00:28:24 <Luke-Jr> once libblkmaker supports local nodes better, GBT bandwidth use drops signficantlty
  63 2014-02-15 00:28:39 <lechuga_> which reminds me
  64 2014-02-15 00:28:48 <lechuga_> i didn tget to my GBT change the other night as intended
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  66 2014-02-15 00:29:15 <Luke-Jr> XD
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  68 2014-02-15 00:29:47 <lechuga_> and now with this terrible holiday i wont be able to tonight either
  69 2014-02-15 00:29:52 <lechuga_> long weekend shud provide ample opportunity
  70 2014-02-15 00:30:03 <Luke-Jr> hey, don't insult St. Valentine! :P
  71 2014-02-15 00:30:09 <lechuga_> lol :)
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  75 2014-02-15 00:33:13 <ahmed_bodi> kinlo: is that because they switched away from eloipool?
  76 2014-02-15 00:33:31 <ahmed_bodi> (well more a question of did they switch away :P)
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  81 2014-02-15 00:38:00 <ahmed_bodi> kinlo: ? u guys dropped eloipool?
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  83 2014-02-15 00:39:42 <arubi> Hi all, I wrote down an idea I had for long term storage of coins. If you could spare a couple of minutes, I could use some criticism : http://pastebin.com/YyLJvkAi
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  93 2014-02-15 00:51:10 <kinlo> ahmed_bodi: we're currently still using eloi, just no more gbt :)
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  96 2014-02-15 00:52:06 <ahmed_bodi> ahh i see. i tried eloi. cant get used to it though. much prefer stratum (mainly cause its quite tightly integrated with the MPOS frontend)
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 138 2014-02-15 01:28:37 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell: you familiar with the Trezor implementation?
 139 2014-02-15 01:29:00 <etotheipi_> specifically, that they allow arbitrary message signing, thus a compromised online computer may be able to bypass supporting-tx check
 140 2014-02-15 01:29:23 <etotheipi_> (support-tx check == fee check)
 141 2014-02-15 01:29:56 <sipa> or you could be tricked into sending your fortune away as fees?
 142 2014-02-15 01:30:08 <gmaxwell> what?!
 143 2014-02-15 01:30:13 <gmaxwell> why would they do that?
 144 2014-02-15 01:30:21 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell: I guess not....
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 146 2014-02-15 01:30:26 <gmaxwell> are you sure it's not just an implemention of signmessage?
 147 2014-02-15 01:30:27 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell: I'm not positive
 148 2014-02-15 01:30:33 <etotheipi_> that's why I'm asking
 149 2014-02-15 01:30:36 <sipa> signmessage should be fine
 150 2014-02-15 01:30:39 <gmaxwell> (which is safe, because we use another hash specifically to prevent this weakness)
 151 2014-02-15 01:30:41 <sipa> it cannot be used for transaction signing
 152 2014-02-15 01:31:38 <etotheipi_> do they do the supporting-tx thing?  I haven't really looked at it but one of my guys is saying he's not seeing it
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 154 2014-02-15 01:32:16 <gmaxwell> I dunno anything about their details, alas. recieved no info and when I'd looked they'd not actually posted any implementation.
 155 2014-02-15 01:32:32 <etotheipi_> gmaxwell: okay, we'll do more investigation on our side
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 163 2014-02-15 01:44:48 <etotheipi_> it also may be the case that the Trezor shield does not accurately represent what the final product will do
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 169 2014-02-15 01:48:48 <andytoshi> YabaDabaDoge: what os are you running? can you compile from source?
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 171 2014-02-15 01:50:11 <YabaDabaDoge> im in linuix   I don't know what the other guy is running
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 173 2014-02-15 01:50:40 <andytoshi> YabaDabaDoge: you said your wallet is displaying a malleated tx, that you want removed?
 174 2014-02-15 01:50:48 <andytoshi> the other guy doesn't matter wrt your own display
 175 2014-02-15 01:50:50 <YabaDabaDoge> the other guy droped out of the channel so I cant help him
 176 2014-02-15 01:51:17 <andytoshi> to get the latest source code you can run
 177 2014-02-15 01:51:19 <andytoshi> git clone https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git
 178 2014-02-15 01:51:40 <YabaDabaDoge> thx
 179 2014-02-15 01:52:16 <andytoshi> there is a new bitcoind/bitcoin-qt command-line option -zapwallettx which removes all txes and rescans the blockchain to find the confirmed ones
 180 2014-02-15 01:52:33 <andytoshi> note that rescanning is a loong process, a few hours at least
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 185 2014-02-15 01:56:32 <YabaDabaDoge> "a few hours"  O.O      thanks for the info
 186 2014-02-15 01:56:42 <andytoshi> YabaDabaDoge: actually you might not need to rescan at all, bitcoin-qt recognizes conflicted transactions now and should do the right thing
 187 2014-02-15 01:56:54 <andytoshi> (can someone corroborate that? i didn't test what the gui does)
 188 2014-02-15 01:57:00 <YabaDabaDoge> is it working w/ libboost1.53?
 189 2014-02-15 01:58:12 <andytoshi> i'm using 1.54, afaik 1.53 is fine
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 192 2014-02-15 02:00:33 <YabaDabaDoge> yep line 450
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 244 2014-02-15 02:33:31 <nezZario> do testnet block rewards confirm faster?
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 248 2014-02-15 02:35:53 <nezZario> does tesetnet block rewards get handed out quicker?
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 264 2014-02-15 02:44:18 <nezZario> hm
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 267 2014-02-15 02:44:28 <nezZario> i'm sorry i asked twice earlier
 268 2014-02-15 02:44:48 <nezZario> irssi was scrolled up and I didn't even notice until nothing had changed in a while
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 270 2014-02-15 02:45:02 <nezZario> freewil: no, i thought it took 120 blocks to confirm.. is it faster on testnet?
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 272 2014-02-15 02:45:18 <Luke-Jr> nezZario: it is 100 blocks, on both testnet and mainnet
 273 2014-02-15 02:45:29 <Luke-Jr> nezZario: testnet is intentionally as few changes from mainnet as reasonable
 274 2014-02-15 02:45:34 <nezZario> gotcha
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 276 2014-02-15 02:46:25 <freewil> Luke-Jr: didn't it used to be 120
 277 2014-02-15 02:46:33 <Luke-Jr> no
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 279 2014-02-15 02:46:55 <Luke-Jr> bitcoind/-qt enforces 120 artificially, but the network rule has always been 100
 280 2014-02-15 02:47:01 <freewil> ah ok
 281 2014-02-15 02:47:23 <Luke-Jr> miners/relays enforce 101 due to a bug
 282 2014-02-15 02:47:50 <Luke-Jr> (but accept 100 in blocks)
 283 2014-02-15 02:48:43 <freewil> interesting
 284 2014-02-15 02:48:48 <freewil> bitcoind reports "immature" for coinbases < 120 which is what i was thinking
 285 2014-02-15 02:49:30 <nezZario> oh i found a facet, that's good enough
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 363 2014-02-15 04:10:27 <BlueMatt> muhoo: Luke-Jr yes, pull-tester briefly did coverage tests, but lcov was buggy as hell so it didnt work
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 365 2014-02-15 04:11:12 <BlueMatt> muhoo: dont know what language you want, but some of the best tests you can write in general are the raw hex json stuff in src/test/data
 366 2014-02-15 04:12:01 <BlueMatt> behind that, if you want to write java, working on the bitciondcomparisontool in bitcoinj (which is part of pull-tester's runs) is also useful
 367 2014-02-15 04:12:30 <BlueMatt> its a nice way to do black-box testing of the most important part of bitcoind (the block acceptance stuff)
 368 2014-02-15 04:12:41 <BlueMatt> it also has some basic tx acceptance checks which could be significantly extended
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 374 2014-02-15 04:15:39 <BlueMatt> it has missed a lot of bugs over the years, so it needs to be built out, really
 375 2014-02-15 04:15:57 <BlueMatt> but, if you want to write tests that are useful to lots of people, write script/txn tests in src/test/data
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 390 2014-02-15 04:30:33 <johnsoft> does bitcoind expose network synchronization progress over RPC anywhere?
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 395 2014-02-15 04:31:17 <BlueMatt> dunno about direct, but you could getpeerinfo and getinfo and compare block heights
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 397 2014-02-15 04:31:41 <BlueMatt> and if you try to getblocktemplate and its not synced, you'll get an error
 398 2014-02-15 04:32:17 <johnsoft> getpeerinfo sounds perfect, thanks
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 400 2014-02-15 04:32:40 <BlueMatt> (note that the block counts there are the block counts that the peer had at the time of connection, not now)
 401 2014-02-15 04:34:08 <johnsoft> hm, it's still a ballpark number though, i guess it's close enough if there's nothing better
 402 2014-02-15 04:35:03 <gmaxwell> johnsoft: there is no real synchronization progress it's always syncing.
 403 2014-02-15 04:35:28 <gmaxwell> the gui thing is mostly just based on the date and tx count.
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 407 2014-02-15 04:39:15 <johnsoft> i guess to be precise i'm after the non-locally-verified block height claimed by each connected peer
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 410 2014-02-15 04:40:38 <johnsoft> or wherever the number in "processed x of y estimated blocks" comes from
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 415 2014-02-15 04:50:53 <gmaxwell> IIRC we don't use the local height for display purposes anymore, some jokers were intentionally doing stupid stuff when we did.
 416 2014-02-15 04:51:53 <gmaxwell> the words "estimated blocks" don't appear to be in the current codebase.
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 419 2014-02-15 04:55:14 <johnsoft> oops, yeah, estimated isn't in there.
 420 2014-02-15 04:55:26 <johnsoft> this is what i was thinking of http://i.imgur.com/gWUikOb.png
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 422 2014-02-15 04:56:40 <gmaxwell> oh hmph. indeed, we actually still do have the peer number— gui only.
 423 2014-02-15 04:57:48 <denisx> I want to report that RenameThread() does work on FreeBSD
 424 2014-02-15 04:57:54 <denisx> can't speak for openbsd though
 425 2014-02-15 04:58:09 <johnsoft> guess I'll look into OCR software then
 426 2014-02-15 04:58:19 <gmaxwell> johnsoft: OCR software, oh come on.
 427 2014-02-15 04:58:23 <johnsoft> just kidding :) but thanks for the help
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 429 2014-02-15 04:58:48 <gmaxwell> johnsoft: getpeerinfo compute it yourself, keep in mind that the data doesn't update as the software runs, and it's sometimes BS.
 430 2014-02-15 04:58:49 <johnsoft> i'll... use blockchain.info, i guess
 431 2014-02-15 04:58:59 <gmaxwell> johnsoft: why would you do that?
 432 2014-02-15 04:59:19 <gmaxwell> hell I think BC.i is wrong as often as getpeerinfo is. :P
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 434 2014-02-15 04:59:37 <johnsoft> it's just for an admin dashboard
 435 2014-02-15 04:59:42 <gmaxwell> denisx: does it do anything bad or just nothing?
 436 2014-02-15 04:59:57 <johnsoft> just a niceity, I've spent too much time on it as it is
 437 2014-02-15 05:00:02 <denisx> gmaxwell: I said it DOES work!
 438 2014-02-15 05:00:10 <gmaxwell> oh!
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 440 2014-02-15 05:00:18 <gmaxwell> omg someone reported something working!
 441 2014-02-15 05:00:30 <denisx> gmaxwell: it is still commented out until someone reports that it does work
 442 2014-02-15 05:00:50 <gmaxwell> johnsoft: yea, well enjoy the support calls when some bozos connect and claimd 6666666 blocks. :P
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 498 2014-02-15 05:57:00 <Logicwax> wow, insight is awesome
 499 2014-02-15 05:57:06 <Logicwax> its like my own personal blockchain.info
 500 2014-02-15 05:58:01 <Luke-Jr> not sure if compliment or insult <.<
 501 2014-02-15 05:58:11 <Luke-Jr> also, I think insight is like my own personal Tcl/Tk debugger
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 504 2014-02-15 06:00:27 <Logicwax> huh?
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 507 2014-02-15 06:01:01 <Logicwax> i meant
 508 2014-02-15 06:01:02 <Logicwax> https://github.com/bitpay/insight
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 510 2014-02-15 06:01:15 <Logicwax> bitpay released it
 511 2014-02-15 06:01:18 <Logicwax> very cool
 512 2014-02-15 06:01:28 <Logicwax> its like your own local bl.c
 513 2014-02-15 06:01:41 <Logicwax> *blockchain.info
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 516 2014-02-15 06:02:23 <Luke-Jr> https://www.sourceware.org/insight/
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 527 2014-02-15 06:09:19 <waxwing> if i have two utxos as inputs in a 2 of 3 multisig txn, do i provide 2 signatures for each input, or just 2 signatures overall? i think the former but i've forgotten.
 528 2014-02-15 06:11:15 <gmaxwell> the former, the there must be a signature for each input, they are independant.
 529 2014-02-15 06:11:37 <waxwing> right thanks, an iirc the order of the sigs has to correspond to the order of the pubkeys in the address, right?
 530 2014-02-15 06:11:42 <waxwing> an = and
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 541 2014-02-15 06:29:35 <Fistful_of_Coins> question about p2pool: could a miner withhold submitting a share that qualifies as a block to the pool, and submit it himself to claim the full reward?
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 545 2014-02-15 06:33:15 <Luke-Jr> Fistful_of_Coins: of course not
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 548 2014-02-15 06:36:28 <gmaxwell> waxwing: every input has a single "signature", the inputs and signatures are in the same order. Within a signature for a multisignature scriptpubkey there are internal signatures, and they must— indeed— be in the same order.
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 550 2014-02-15 06:37:59 <waxwing> gmaxwell, so like if A B C are the pubkeys to set up the msigaddress, then the sigs internally for 1 input have to be A B or A C or B C. Is that it?
 551 2014-02-15 06:39:02 <gmaxwell> yes
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 556 2014-02-15 06:42:04 <waxwing> tks.  would it be possible for input 1 to be signed by A and B and input 2 to be signed by B and C? (Weird idea; just curious)
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 564 2014-02-15 06:51:13 <gmaxwell> waxwing: it's not weird at all, it's fine.
 565 2014-02-15 06:51:42 <waxwing> gmaxwell, ok got it. appreciated.
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 603 2014-02-15 08:05:11 <anddam> can I list the RPC calls list from running daemon?
 604 2014-02-15 08:05:30 <Luke-Jr> that's what the 'help' RPC is for
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 606 2014-02-15 08:05:44 <anddam> thanks
 607 2014-02-15 08:08:54 <anddam> is reindexing time comparable to fetching the blockchain from zero?
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 609 2014-02-15 08:10:18 <anddam> I applied https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3652 to master, should I make a blockchain backup before reindexing or will previous version of bitcoin be able to use it as well later?
 610 2014-02-15 08:11:42 <jcorgan> hmm, not sure, easy enough for me to check
 611 2014-02-15 08:12:22 <anddam> also while reindexing should I specify both flags -addrindex -reindex ?
 612 2014-02-15 08:12:58 <jcorgan> yes.  i suggest putting addrindex=1 in your conf file, then you can run -reindex once on the cli but without it otherwise
 613 2014-02-15 08:13:00 <anddam> what's -txindex for? Since I'm going with reindex should I specify -txindex too in order to reindex only once?
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 615 2014-02-15 08:13:35 <jcorgan> yes.  -txindex means to index all the transactions (by txid), and -addrindex (or conf file equivalents) mean to add an index by address as well
 616 2014-02-15 08:13:45 <anddam> jcorgan: ok, thanks. What about the backward compatibility? I usually run 0.8.6
 617 2014-02-15 08:13:54 <jcorgan> i'm checking that empirically now
 618 2014-02-15 08:14:26 <anddam> jcorgan: oh I now realize you're the guy who updated the pull request
 619 2014-02-15 08:15:15 <jcorgan> yeah, sipa did original work, blame me for any problems with the forward port
 620 2014-02-15 08:15:41 <jcorgan> you're amad3us, right?
 621 2014-02-15 08:15:44 <anddam> jcorgan: I slightly edited PR 2802 to work on top of 0.8.6 but main.{cpp,h} were slightly different, do you have a couple minutes to double check the patch and see if there's anything obviously wrong?
 622 2014-02-15 08:15:47 <anddam> me?
 623 2014-02-15 08:15:49 <anddam> no
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 625 2014-02-15 08:15:57 <anddam> neverheard, btw
 626 2014-02-15 08:16:01 <jcorgan> oh nm
 627 2014-02-15 08:16:15 <jcorgan> i can look at it, yes
 628 2014-02-15 08:16:17 <anddam> if I were my nick would be "amad3us" :-)
 629 2014-02-15 08:17:04 <anddam> again: will adding txindex=1 to conf as well before reindexing save me a reindex cycle?
 630 2014-02-15 08:17:10 <anddam> let me upload those
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 632 2014-02-15 08:17:48 <jcorgan> so, add txindex=1 and addrindex=1 to your conf file
 633 2014-02-15 08:17:58 <jcorgan> run bitcoind with -reindex until it is caught up
 634 2014-02-15 08:18:15 <jcorgan> then either leave it alone or rerun it without the -reindex
 635 2014-02-15 08:18:51 <anddam> how long should I expect it to take?
 636 2014-02-15 08:19:00 <anddam> I'm on laptop not connected to power network now
 637 2014-02-15 08:19:01 <jcorgan> so far it looks like 0.8.6 stock will open a blockchain database that was made by 0.9-git w/addrindex turned on, no complaints
 638 2014-02-15 08:19:21 <jcorgan> depends a lot on your system; single digit hours seems typical
 639 2014-02-15 08:19:41 <anddam> I'll wait to be at a desk then
 640 2014-02-15 08:19:49 <jcorgan> "macbook air with SSD" was 5 hours by someone here
 641 2014-02-15 08:20:14 <Luke-Jr> I would be surprised if 0.8.6 loaded a 0.9 index successfully
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 644 2014-02-15 08:20:52 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: it will not compain though, at most it will ignore the extra index
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 646 2014-02-15 08:21:20 <jcorgan> yeah, and if you run it long enough like that, you'd probably want to reindex when you go back to the addrindex patched version
 647 2014-02-15 08:21:21 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: due to the pruning of OP_RETURN data carriers, I expect it will complain about "corruption"
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 649 2014-02-15 08:22:24 <jcorgan> well, no harm in backing up your datadir for safety
 650 2014-02-15 08:22:47 <jcorgan> fyi, with both txindex and addrindex the current blockchain+db is 22G
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 652 2014-02-15 08:22:51 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: ... hmm ... no idea if that has any effect
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 655 2014-02-15 08:23:40 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: would be a pity if due to that reason it's no longer possible to downgrade to 0.8 without reindexing, we even went as far as patching leveldb for that
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 657 2014-02-15 08:25:48 * Luke-Jr thought he mentioned it during that discussion
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 659 2014-02-15 08:26:35 <jcorgan> so three blocks have arrived while running on a 0.8.6 stock daemon using a datadir that was previously 0.9-git w/addrindex, no complaints logged in the debug.log
 660 2014-02-15 08:26:56 <anddam> ouch at 22GB
 661 2014-02-15 08:26:58 <anddam> jcorgan: http://trac.macports.org/changeset/117082
 662 2014-02-15 08:27:21 <anddam> jcorgan: patch_bitcoin-bitcoin_pull-request_2802.diff is taken from the pull request minus main.cpp and main.h
 663 2014-02-15 08:27:32 <anddam> those two I had to split in order to track the changed bits
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 666 2014-02-15 08:28:25 <anddam> the serialize is apart, it's some 0.8.6 clang idiosyncrasy with redefine, I noticed later on the insert redefine was removed
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 668 2014-02-15 08:29:03 <anddam> it's not pushed and about what you just wrote I guess it won't be until 0.9.0 tag is released
 669 2014-02-15 08:29:59 <anddam> also this sounds wrong: running master bitcoind with -addrindex asks "Do you want to rebuild the block database now?" and the the program exits
 670 2014-02-15 08:30:07 <anddam> that line suggests bitcoind should wait for input
 671 2014-02-15 08:30:49 <jcorgan> -addrindex is not in the master branch, only in the pull request branch
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 676 2014-02-15 08:32:41 <jcorgan> it's too hard for me to look at your macports diffs and judge whether there are any issues; i'd apply everything and then post a diff off 0.8.6 that could be reviewed
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 686 2014-02-15 08:41:31 <wumpus> anddam: yea that message is really meant for the gui, the daemon auto-exits instead of asking
 687 2014-02-15 08:42:34 <anddam> there should be a check, I guess with the forecoming separation of bitcoind/bitcoincli/bitcoinqt it'll be handled
 688 2014-02-15 08:42:47 <anddam> so now I have the address querying api
 689 2014-02-15 08:42:54 <anddam> I just lack the data to query :-)
 690 2014-02-15 08:44:03 <wumpus> well the problem here is due to the separation: we don't want the core code to know if this is gui/not gui
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 692 2014-02-15 08:44:34 <wumpus> you could for example implement the interactive prompt in the daemon with a CLI interface
 693 2014-02-15 08:44:41 <wumpus> currently it's not implemented at all :-)
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 698 2014-02-15 08:53:54 <maaku> a bitcoind REPL would be nice
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 711 2014-02-15 09:06:20 <anddam> wumpus: why is that about the core code?
 712 2014-02-15 09:06:41 <anddam> I'd think that a full separation daemon/gui/cli would be better
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 714 2014-02-15 09:07:24 <anddam> cli would only wrap RPC, GUI would mantain a state by dealing with RPC as well
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 716 2014-02-15 09:08:40 <wumpus> anddam: because the query comes from the core code, it is 'broadcasted' as a signal so to say
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 718 2014-02-15 09:09:10 <wumpus> anddam: the GUI listens to this signal and shows a dialog, the daemon... prints the message, ignores the query and return 0's 
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 722 2014-02-15 09:10:36 <wumpus> for the user it would be more clear to have a different message in the case of the daemon, as it doesn't have interactive prompts, but there is currently no way for the 'ui backend' to say I can do this and this
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 724 2014-02-15 09:10:59 <wumpus> sure that could be implemented, but there are lots of higher priority issues right now
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 730 2014-02-15 09:17:19 <wbaw> it would be good to have interactive prompts in the daemon
 731 2014-02-15 09:17:47 <wbaw> for encrypting wallets, for example, to avoid leaking sensitive info on the command line
 732 2014-02-15 09:18:16 <wumpus> wbaw: but it still has to account for the case in which there is no interactive terminal, for example bitcoind launched from init scripts
 733 2014-02-15 09:18:35 <wbaw> at the moment if you encrypt a wallet on the command line in linux the password gets stored in .bash_history
 734 2014-02-15 09:18:39 <wbaw> in plain text
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 737 2014-02-15 09:18:55 <wbaw> it'd only need to be for sensitive stuff
 738 2014-02-15 09:19:31 <wumpus> wbaw: you mean that *bitcoin-cli* should have an interactive mode
 739 2014-02-15 09:19:48 <wbaw> yes
 740 2014-02-15 09:20:09 <wbaw> so it doesn't encourage you to leak wallet passwords mainly
 741 2014-02-15 09:20:19 <wumpus> wbaw: see contrib/bitrpc/bitrpc.py in  the source distribution for a basic interactive cli
 742 2014-02-15 09:20:36 <wbaw> thanks
 743 2014-02-15 09:20:43 <wumpus> wbaw: you can use it to ask for wallet passphrase, for example
 744 2014-02-15 09:21:25 <wumpus> I remember someone was working on a more extensive bitcoin cli but I have no idea how that's coming along
 745 2014-02-15 09:21:47 <wbaw> something like that should be encouraged & typing the password on the command line disabled
 746 2014-02-15 09:22:17 <wbaw> since the command line is usually logged in plain text
 747 2014-02-15 09:23:00 <wumpus> you could add a warning in bitcoin-cli when someone provides the wallet passphrase on the command line, then again don't forget that bitcoin-cli is also used from scripts in which you don't want superfluous warnings and prompts
 748 2014-02-15 09:23:36 <wbaw> it could read the password from stdin
 749 2014-02-15 09:24:06 <wbaw> no point in having a password if it's stored in plain text
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 751 2014-02-15 09:25:16 <wumpus> sounds like a good idea, feel free to add a -readfromstdin option to bitcoin-cli
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 753 2014-02-15 09:26:14 <jouke> wbaw: when you put a white space in front of a command, it won't be stored in bash_history
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 756 2014-02-15 09:26:46 <wbaw> not everybody is going to know that
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 760 2014-02-15 09:28:45 <wbaw> it should have secure defaults, as much as possible
 761 2014-02-15 09:31:01 <anddam>  wbaw | at the moment if you encrypt a wallet on the command line in linux the password gets stored in .bash_history <--  well, if you're using bash
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 763 2014-02-15 09:31:20 <anddam> you should read password from file anyway
 764 2014-02-15 09:31:22 <wbaw> yeah, lots of people do
 765 2014-02-15 09:31:42 <anddam> foolish people
 766 2014-02-15 09:32:14 <wbaw> you should need to do something really purposefully stupid to leak the wallet password in plain text
 767 2014-02-15 09:32:31 <wbaw> it shouldn't be possible by accident
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 770 2014-02-15 09:36:41 <wbaw> bash isn't the only shell that logs commands
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 773 2014-02-15 09:41:15 <wumpus> wbaw: should be pretty straightforward to implement, please help the project by submitting a pull request, arguing won't get anything solved :)
 774 2014-02-15 09:41:43 <wbaw> i've got other things to do at the moment, it's just a suggestion
 775 2014-02-15 09:42:06 <wumpus> a straightforward, sane way would be: if someone uses bitcoin-cli walletpassphrase without argument, ask for it
 776 2014-02-15 09:42:08 <wbaw> i might have a look at it over the next week or so, is a pull request on github the correct way?
 777 2014-02-15 09:42:30 <wumpus> yes
 778 2014-02-15 09:43:21 <wbaw> i'll do that if i get a fix then, but i'm more of a php web dev than c, so, might be better for somebody better to look at it
 779 2014-02-15 09:44:01 <wumpus> 'somebody better' will likely have more difficult issues to worry about, so this kind of simple stuff never gets done
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 781 2014-02-15 09:44:19 <wbaw> possibly, it does seem fairly simple
 782 2014-02-15 09:44:38 <wbaw> i'm not just a good c programmer at all, can barely read it
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 784 2014-02-15 09:45:08 <wbaw> but i'll have a try if i get some free time & nobody else does it first
 785 2014-02-15 09:45:11 <wumpus> then learn it, c/c++ is a very good skill to have as programmer, if you can write those languages without shooting yourself in the foot then you can master anything :)
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 787 2014-02-15 09:46:38 <anddam> I should give C++ a shot, I seriously dislike the syntax
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 790 2014-02-15 09:47:22 <anddam> but I learned that until you dive in and wait a little to settle in you cannot really judge
 791 2014-02-15 09:47:24 <wumpus> yes that adds to the challenge
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 794 2014-02-15 09:51:40 <wbaw> i think rpcssl should be default on too
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 797 2014-02-15 09:53:15 <anddam> what should I backup before reindex?
 798 2014-02-15 09:53:19 <anddam> reindexing*
 799 2014-02-15 09:53:25 <anddam> I see blocks/ is 17GB
 800 2014-02-15 09:53:40 <anddam> are chainstate/ and database/ worth backupping?
 801 2014-02-15 09:53:45 <wumpus> always backup your wallet :p
 802 2014-02-15 09:54:01 <anddam> wallet is backed up
 803 2014-02-15 09:54:03 <anddam> and empty atm
 804 2014-02-15 09:54:09 <wumpus> apart from that it doesn't make sense to backup anything before indexing
 805 2014-02-15 09:54:10 <anddam> (thank you, mtgox)
 806 2014-02-15 09:54:42 <anddam> that's due to what I wrote earlier, I'm willing to run 0.8.6 vanilla again later on
 807 2014-02-15 09:54:49 <wumpus> (you won't ever lost your blocks due to reindexing, those are only read)
 808 2014-02-15 09:55:02 <anddam> nice, I like my blocks
 809 2014-02-15 09:55:06 <anddam> like a little tiny minecrafter
 810 2014-02-15 09:55:09 <wumpus> hehe
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 812 2014-02-15 09:57:48 <anddam> txindex=1 addrindex=1 in bitcoin.conf, right?
 813 2014-02-15 09:58:33 <anddam> is there a way to see progress in reindexing?
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 816 2014-02-15 10:00:27 <jcorgan> look at the debug.log, it will tell you the blocks it is processing
 817 2014-02-15 10:00:42 <anddam> also is the reindexing CPU or I/O bound?
 818 2014-02-15 10:00:50 <jcorgan> but like usual, the last 5% take up 95% of the time, and it is i/o bound
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 821 2014-02-15 10:02:10 <viajero> !seen sturles
 822 2014-02-15 10:02:11 <gribble> sturles was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 2 days, 14 hours, 16 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <sturles> To move 42 BTC from account a to account b: bitcoind move a b 42
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 829 2014-02-15 10:08:47 <anddam> jcorgan: thanks again
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 831 2014-02-15 10:09:02 <anddam> jcorgan: if you get a chance to check that patch drop me a line
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 834 2014-02-15 10:10:27 <jcorgan> no problem. if you get it working atop 0.8.6 it would worth posting a branch on github.  i doubt it would ever get considered for a pull for 0.8, but i'm sure some people would be interested in it.
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 836 2014-02-15 10:12:18 <anddam> jcorgan: it's already working, I asked for a double check since I'm not familiar with the codebase and just adapted what was obvious in the patch
 837 2014-02-15 10:12:38 <anddam> but I'm running reindex with the 0.8.6 patched now
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 841 2014-02-15 10:13:38 <jcorgan> cool.  if you publish a branch at least make a comment on #3652 so people know about it.
 842 2014-02-15 10:14:32 <anddam> I think it shouldn be added under #2802 with a note in #3652
 843 2014-02-15 10:14:39 <anddam> since the .diff if from the former
 844 2014-02-15 10:14:43 <anddam> 2014-02-15 10:13:24 ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
 845 2014-02-15 10:14:45 <anddam> 2014-02-15 10:13:24 SetBestChain: new best=000000000000033da037aa6b3305a44d6821f7e83aaf4916b26b94bd96577336  height=155885  log2_work=67.281196  tx=1963676  date=2011-12-03 16:17:08 progress=0.024466
 846 2014-02-15 10:14:47 <jcorgan> make sense
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 848 2014-02-15 10:15:10 <anddam> sounds fair, the macbookpro is ready to lift off, according to the fan noise
 849 2014-02-15 10:16:44 <jcorgan> ah, CPU waste heat, your personal contribution to the eventual heat death of the universe :)
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 851 2014-02-15 10:17:47 <anddam> Entropy is a bitch
 852 2014-02-15 10:18:06 <jcorgan> but not a cold one :)
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 856 2014-02-15 10:21:10 <chairman_meow> hello
 857 2014-02-15 10:21:22 <chairman_meow> did the recent "bug" require a hard fork?
 858 2014-02-15 10:22:17 <jcorgan> of course not
 859 2014-02-15 10:22:49 <chairman_meow> what was the bug about?
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 861 2014-02-15 10:23:05 <jcorgan> i don't know, you brought it up
 862 2014-02-15 10:23:07 <anddam> chairman_meow: you mean the Mtgox thing?
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 864 2014-02-15 10:23:22 <chairman_meow> i read a news title
 865 2014-02-15 10:23:31 <anddam> chairman_meow: or the DDoS-I-didnt-understand-what-it-was thing?
 866 2014-02-15 10:23:43 <chairman_meow> a recent bug that caused theft of millions worth of theft
 867 2014-02-15 10:23:57 <anddam> chairman_meow: better you link the article
 868 2014-02-15 10:24:04 <wbaw> sr2?
 869 2014-02-15 10:24:13 <anddam> chairman_meow: that doesn't make much sense
 870 2014-02-15 10:24:17 <jcorgan> there was a DOS that exploited an well-known and documented edge case in bitcoin that some sites didn't account for properly
 871 2014-02-15 10:24:26 <anddam> I mean said that way it didn't even regard bitcoin
 872 2014-02-15 10:24:51 <jcorgan> thos sites are fixing their software
 873 2014-02-15 10:25:09 <wbaw> there was a story about silk road 2 getting robbed, not sure how true it is
 874 2014-02-15 10:25:13 <chairman_meow> i believe I read the words "transaction malleability"
 875 2014-02-15 10:25:14 <anddam> jcorgan: my point in searching for address was exactly to look for mtgox double payments
 876 2014-02-15 10:25:22 <anddam> wbaw: that's lollish
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 878 2014-02-15 10:25:44 <jcorgan> wbaw: the SR2 thing was more likely a case of self-hack using the network issues as a convenient cover
 879 2014-02-15 10:25:49 <wbaw> yeah, i think so too
 880 2014-02-15 10:25:55 <jcorgan> but there is no way to really know
 881 2014-02-15 10:26:11 <wbaw> but it's the only story of a big 'theft' i've seen
 882 2014-02-15 10:26:14 <chairman_meow> http://www.vcpost.com/articles/21639/20140214/protocol-flaw-exchange-shutdown-and-2-7m-heist-prompt-speculations-about-end-of-bitcoin.htm
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 885 2014-02-15 10:27:05 <jcorgan> don't believe everything you read
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 887 2014-02-15 10:27:33 <chairman_meow> so what is it really about? a bug in the exchange?
 888 2014-02-15 10:27:53 <wbaw> silk road 2 is a blackmarket drug exchange
 889 2014-02-15 10:28:01 <wbaw> they're probably lying
 890 2014-02-15 10:28:59 <TZander> did this channel turn into #bitcoin ?
 891 2014-02-15 10:29:20 <jcorgan> mtgox, in designing their own exchange software, failed to take into account something already understood about bitcoin ("transaction malleability"), which resulted in the ability for customers to make withdrawals that their accounting system didn't see correctly.  Then they compounded the error by issuing automatic retransmissions of those withdrawals in a way that allowed them to get exploited over and over again.
 892 2014-02-15 10:29:29 <chairman_meow> sorry, i was asking for a technical explanation of the "bug"
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 910 2014-02-15 10:37:13 <sipa> wumpus: yeah, the corruption check may fail in 0.8.6 when loading a 0.9 blockchain, if there has been a recent prunable output
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 935 2014-02-15 11:27:19 <murr4y> hi all, it looks like bitcoin-qt is sending 3 addr-messages after receiving getaddr. is that expected behaviour? the wiki docs says "The response to receiving this message is to transmit an addr message" which leads me to believe only one should be sent
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 950 2014-02-15 11:39:27 <wumpus> murr4y: it can send more addr messages 
 951 2014-02-15 11:39:38 <wumpus> murr4y: for example if there are more than 1000 addresses to report
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 956 2014-02-15 11:46:54 <_syslog> salut,
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 962 2014-02-15 11:50:13 <_syslog> i'm exploring bitcoin rpc calls.  ( listreceivedbyaddress )   how should i use to get
 963 2014-02-15 11:50:13 <_syslog> 1- received ( my wallet addresses, the address which i get coin )
 964 2014-02-15 11:50:13 <_syslog> 2- send addresses  ( the addresses which i send coin )
 965 2014-02-15 11:50:47 <sipa> listreceivedbyaddress will tell you for each receive address how much you've received on it
 966 2014-02-15 11:50:57 <sipa> it doesn't do anything wrt sends
 967 2014-02-15 11:51:20 <sipa> getnewaddress will give you a new address (of yours, so to receive with)
 968 2014-02-15 11:51:42 <sipa> getting a new send address: having someone else ask you to send money there
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 970 2014-02-15 11:52:24 <_syslog> i don't want to get new address, i want to lsit my address which i already have. ( like listaccounts call )
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 972 2014-02-15 11:52:50 <_syslog> *listaccounts doesn't shows wallet address, it only shows account.
 973 2014-02-15 11:54:43 <sipa> getaddressesbyaccount
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 975 2014-02-15 11:56:00 <_syslog> it requires an account and returns only address with that account, it doesn't list all accounts on wallet.
 976 2014-02-15 11:56:34 <_syslog> *address not account
 977 2014-02-15 11:56:41 <_syslog> *sorry for wrong english
 978 2014-02-15 11:59:17 <murr4y> wumpus: i see, thanks - i think that should be mentioned in the wiki :)
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 980 2014-02-15 12:01:09 <sipa> _syslog: if you're not using accounts, all addresses are assigned to the '' account
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 982 2014-02-15 12:01:31 <sipa> may i ask why you need to know all your addresses?
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 984 2014-02-15 12:03:13 <_syslog> i'm developing a multi wallet ( opensource ),  let me send you a screen shot
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 990 2014-02-15 12:05:03 <wumpus> murr4y: yes, please fix the wiki
 991 2014-02-15 12:05:28 <_syslog> in receive tab i want to list all bitcoin receiver address, and address book tab i want to show all other addresss
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1007 2014-02-15 12:16:43 <gribble> amantonop was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 3 days, 20 hours, 37 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <amantonop> skype:aantonop
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1019 2014-02-15 12:28:27 <venzen> i'm trying to understand the occurence whereby a send transaction and a mutated version of the same transaction (ie txid has been changed) both exist on the network at the same time... which will be given preference to be included in a block and what happens if the same (miner) node sees the original and later the mutant - does it even know?
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1021 2014-02-15 12:30:18 <sipa> venzen: from the point of view of the network, it's just a double spend
1022 2014-02-15 12:30:26 <sipa> which means that nodes will only accept the first one they see
1023 2014-02-15 12:30:40 <sipa> and ignore the second one
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1027 2014-02-15 12:32:58 <venzen> sipa: so if the muant was seen first it will become the tx to go in the blockchain and get confirmed again and again?
1028 2014-02-15 12:33:06 <venzen> *mtuant
1029 2014-02-15 12:33:14 <venzen> **mutant :)
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1034 2014-02-15 12:37:29 <sipa> venzen: maybe
1035 2014-02-15 12:37:34 <sipa> venzen: miner's discretion
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1037 2014-02-15 12:37:45 <sipa> they may dislike the mutant for other reasons
1038 2014-02-15 12:38:08 <sipa> but the mutant may end up in the block chain, yes
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1041 2014-02-15 12:38:59 <venzen> ok, it's not guaranteed, but this occurred sometimes  with some custom wallets, in that the original txid never got confirmed and hence payment may have been sent again?
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1043 2014-02-15 12:39:55 <venzen> i think that's the nutshell of the recent TM scare...
1044 2014-02-15 12:40:07 <sipa> you are right, except the 'hence'
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1046 2014-02-15 12:40:52 <sipa> if you resend because the original never confirms, you should at least make it a double spend, so not both can confirm
1047 2014-02-15 12:42:36 <venzen> sipa, i see what you mean... IF the custom wallet used only txid to verify confirmation it could have been fooled
1048 2014-02-15 12:42:49 <sipa> venzen: it should still see the mutant too
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1051 2014-02-15 12:43:08 <sipa> and even if it doesn't do that, if you reissue a payment because the original one doesn't confirm, make it a double spend
1052 2014-02-15 12:43:16 <sipa> otherwise you still risk that both confirm
1053 2014-02-15 12:43:22 <sipa> (regardless of malleability)
1054 2014-02-15 12:43:53 <venzen> so if it looked for it, it would see the mutant in the blockchain?
1055 2014-02-15 12:44:18 <sipa> normal wallet software tracks whatever transactions affect your balance
1056 2014-02-15 12:44:22 <sipa> whether you sent them or not
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1059 2014-02-15 12:47:18 <venzen> sipa, thanks for taking the time to explain - i have not been able to follow (and form a complete picture) of everything that happened here this week...
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1062 2014-02-15 12:48:24 <venzen> i imagine the message is now clear to all stakeholders that tx outputs should be considered (besides only txid)
1063 2014-02-15 12:48:54 <venzen> *should be considered -> should be used as verification
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1066 2014-02-15 12:49:05 <sipa> inputs, reallt
1067 2014-02-15 12:49:20 <venzen> oh
1068 2014-02-15 12:49:44 <sipa> it's the inputs that are signed by the sender
1069 2014-02-15 12:49:47 <sipa> nobody can change those
1070 2014-02-15 12:50:15 <venzen> time, amount, address (being sent to) are defined as inputs?
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1074 2014-02-15 12:50:47 <sipa> no
1075 2014-02-15 12:50:56 <sipa> the previous outputs you're spending
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1077 2014-02-15 12:52:02 <venzen> right... and so where do the previous outputs come from, sipa?
1078 2014-02-15 12:52:12 <sipa> ?
1079 2014-02-15 12:52:20 <sipa> the sender's money
1080 2014-02-15 12:53:51 <sipa> transactions consist of inputs and outputs: outputs create new coins, inputs consume coins created by previous transactions
1081 2014-02-15 12:54:04 <sipa> it's those inputs that are signed, to prove ownership
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1083 2014-02-15 12:54:21 <sipa> the signatures can be modified, but not what is actually being spent
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1088 2014-02-15 12:58:35 <venzen> sipa, thanks for explaining
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1272 2014-02-15 16:23:10 <anddam> jcorgan, wumpus:processing april '13 now
1273 2014-02-15 16:23:36 <jcorgan> lol
1274 2014-02-15 16:23:52 <anddam> I had to stop the job :-)
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1304 2014-02-15 16:42:40 <jcorgan> anddam: you could try moving the chainstate directory to a tmpfs or ramdisk and symlink it back to your datadir
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1308 2014-02-15 16:44:55 <sipa> ... just increase your database cache instead
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1310 2014-02-15 16:45:06 <sipa> that will have a much larger effect during reindex
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1327 2014-02-15 17:01:22 <jcorgan> sipa: you keep saying that and I keep forgetting that you have :)
1328 2014-02-15 17:01:40 <jcorgan> is that a cli option?
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1331 2014-02-15 17:05:13 <anddam> can reindexing be interrupted?
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1334 2014-02-15 17:06:02 <anddam>  -dbcache=N
1335 2014-02-15 17:06:21 <jcorgan> i don't think it can be, without it starting over
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1337 2014-02-15 17:06:25 <anddam> sipa: I think this guy knows better than you http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/3331
1338 2014-02-15 17:06:35 <anddam> (yes, I know)
1339 2014-02-15 17:06:59 <anddam> jcorgan: start over is fine, I fear corruption
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1341 2014-02-15 17:07:29 <anddam> jcorgan: also it processed only up to 20130512 now
1342 2014-02-15 17:07:46 <anddam> so about a month in 40 minutes
1343 2014-02-15 17:08:04 <jcorgan> ouch
1344 2014-02-15 17:08:34 <anddam> not a big deal, the CPU is not very busy so it's just running there
1345 2014-02-15 17:09:00 <anddam> I did this in order to check those mtgox transaction, I'd like to figure some "suspect" for double payments
1346 2014-02-15 17:09:18 <anddam> but I only have http://mtgox.com/api/0/bitcoin_tx.php
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1348 2014-02-15 17:09:48 <anddam> couldn't find historical data yet, that's a job for reddit, I suppose
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1380 2014-02-15 17:30:11 <maaku> <anddam> sipa: I think this guy knows better than you http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/3331 <--- was that a joke?
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1382 2014-02-15 17:30:42 <copumpkin> lol
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1396 2014-02-15 17:42:46 <anddam> maaku: yes, as I wrote in the following line
1397 2014-02-15 17:43:04 <maaku> ah
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1406 2014-02-15 17:48:29 <v_y> has mtgox given examples of mutated transactions?
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1414 2014-02-15 17:53:48 <andytoshi> v_y: https://gist.github.com/sipa/8907691 is how txes are mutated, i think (5) is mostly what we've seen
1415 2014-02-15 17:54:48 <v_y> andytoshi: the OP_PUSHDATA2 appear on february 9th. mtgox announced they had been attacked on february 7th.
1416 2014-02-15 17:55:04 <v_y> andytoshi: http://www.righto.com/2014/02/the-bitcoin-malleability-attack-hour-by.html
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1419 2014-02-15 17:55:21 <andytoshi> oh, the gox changes were (2), gox was encoding the sigs wrong in the first place and people were fixing them
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1421 2014-02-15 17:56:44 <v_y> ah ok
1422 2014-02-15 17:56:50 <v_y> do you have a source on that?
1423 2014-02-15 17:57:56 <andytoshi> hmm, don't have any links. but a lot of the weirdly-signed txes got into the blockchain, there is evidence out there
1424 2014-02-15 17:58:07 <andytoshi> somebody else might have a better answer
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1428 2014-02-15 17:59:37 <maaku> i pushed a normative transaction ID branch which uses base-32 encoding and error correction codes : https://github.com/maaku/bitcoin/tree/normtxid
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1430 2014-02-15 18:01:03 <maaku> it includes a general mechanisn for boiling the uint<n> classes down to an ECC-protected base-32 code
1431 2014-02-15 18:02:40 <maaku> so it might also be useful for serializing e.g. private keys, where the extra bits of the encoding can be used to indicate encryption or pubkey compression
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1434 2014-02-15 18:05:50 <sipa> jcorgan, anddam: yes, -reindex can be interrupted; just kill it, and restart (without -reindex the second time, otherwise you'll start over)
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1436 2014-02-15 18:07:24 <sipa> andytoshi: correct; mtgox changes were (2), the attack is (5)
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1439 2014-02-15 18:10:15 <jcorgan> -dbcache=1000 FTW, already at 50% reindexing after 40 minutes
1440 2014-02-15 18:11:28 <anddam> sipa: the daemon recognize it has to complete the previous, incomplete indexing?
1441 2014-02-15 18:11:37 <anddam> does the daemon*
1442 2014-02-15 18:12:39 <sipa> anddam: yes
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1445 2014-02-15 18:13:00 <sipa> it stores a flag in the database "reindexing busy
1446 2014-02-15 18:13:09 <sipa> and if that is present at startup, it continues
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1448 2014-02-15 18:13:59 <anddam> sipa: default db cache is 25 MB, what size should I put for a sensible boost?
1449 2014-02-15 18:14:08 <sipa> as much as you can spare
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1451 2014-02-15 18:14:14 <sipa> the default is 120 iirc
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1453 2014-02-15 18:14:18 <anddam> and we're talking RAM here?
1454 2014-02-15 18:14:20 <sipa> yes
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1456 2014-02-15 18:14:32 <sipa> over 1 GB doesn't help much anymore
1457 2014-02-15 18:14:52 <sipa> on a 32-bit system, don't go over 2 GB
1458 2014-02-15 18:15:03 <anddam> what the hell, I got 8GB and only chrome and a terminal emulator running
1459 2014-02-15 18:15:19 <anddam> so I'm going with -dbcache=1000
1460 2014-02-15 18:15:28 <anddam> the unit is MB, I understand
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1463 2014-02-15 18:15:44 <sipa> oh, the default is indeed 25 MB
1464 2014-02-15 18:15:47 <sipa> we should change that
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1466 2014-02-15 18:15:55 <anddam> I took that from your SO answer
1467 2014-02-15 18:16:11 <sipa> that's really outdated :)
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1469 2014-02-15 18:16:31 <sipa> we don't even use a cache for BDB anymore, and the database of that time was completely replaced by leveldb
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1473 2014-02-15 18:17:48 <anddam> is the debug log UTC?
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1475 2014-02-15 18:18:01 <anddam> I see it's a hour off with respect to my locale
1476 2014-02-15 18:18:15 <sipa> yes
1477 2014-02-15 18:18:28 <anddam> I guess it'd be better to append Z to it then
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1479 2014-02-15 18:19:12 <anddam> to make it self-explanatory
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1481 2014-02-15 18:19:26 <anddam> can I import a private key while reindexing?
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1483 2014-02-15 18:19:37 <sipa> i believe so
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1485 2014-02-15 18:20:18 <anddam> is the term "sathosi" subject to nominal inflection?
1486 2014-02-15 18:20:36 <sipa> no idea, never heard about it
1487 2014-02-15 18:20:36 <anddam> one sathosi, two satoshi   or   one satoshi, two satoshis ?
1488 2014-02-15 18:20:41 <sipa> ah!
1489 2014-02-15 18:20:46 <sipa> no idea
1490 2014-02-15 18:21:02 <lnovy> I would say, both are legal
1491 2014-02-15 18:21:02 <anddam> …you should have heard satoshi…
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1493 2014-02-15 18:21:32 <sipa> i have heard about satoshi, not about sathosi :)
1494 2014-02-15 18:21:48 <anddam> I stand corrected
1495 2014-02-15 18:21:50 <lnovy> :D
1496 2014-02-15 18:21:52 <anddam> (typo)
1497 2014-02-15 18:22:06 <sipa> yeah, i was just making fun of it, sorry :)
1498 2014-02-15 18:22:10 <anddam> more often than not I switch to letters in a word
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1501 2014-02-15 18:22:42 <anddam> I call it "digital lapsus", with the double entendre
1502 2014-02-15 18:22:47 <anddam> switch two letters*
1503 2014-02-15 18:23:03 <anddam> and the "to letters" was just a typo
1504 2014-02-15 18:24:00 <lnovy> most people on bitcointalk tends to use satoshis I think..
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1506 2014-02-15 18:25:11 <anddam> but I wouldn't use btctalk as reference for anything
1507 2014-02-15 18:25:23 <anddam> the place is a mess
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1509 2014-02-15 18:25:49 <lnovy> googlefight is useless here i guess
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1514 2014-02-15 18:26:39 <anddam> sipa: I'm not sure I can see an increase in speed with 1 GiB dbcache, I think it processed 201307 very quickly but I may just have been distracted
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1516 2014-02-15 18:26:44 <anddam> now I'm looking at the 201308 output and it doesn't seem noticeably faster
1517 2014-02-15 18:27:08 <sipa> "the 201308 output" ?
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1519 2014-02-15 18:27:33 <sipa> what output are you talking about?
1520 2014-02-15 18:27:42 <anddam> I'm looking at the debug output and there are messages saying   "2014-02-15 18:27:15 SetBestChain: new best=000000000000004f16229625c1b1e43c0fac1de1c508348be83727e6c1a11c37  height=250850  log2_work=71.092527  tx=21726580  date=2013-08-08 05:45:17 progress=0.282906"
1521 2014-02-15 18:27:58 <sipa> it won't be faster per-block
1522 2014-02-15 18:28:01 <anddam> I assume the date is the reindexing proceeding from start of the blockchain till now
1523 2014-02-15 18:28:05 <sipa> the cache just allows it to do more blocks at once
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1525 2014-02-15 18:28:14 <anddam> parallelism?
1526 2014-02-15 18:28:16 <sipa> no
1527 2014-02-15 18:28:28 <sipa> it flushes the cache to disk once it exceeds the threshold
1528 2014-02-15 18:28:43 <sipa> so with larger dbcache, it just flushes less frequently
1529 2014-02-15 18:28:44 <anddam> like a cache should do
1530 2014-02-15 18:28:56 <sipa> but that is in between the blocks
1531 2014-02-15 18:29:04 <sipa> not during
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1534 2014-02-15 18:29:30 <lnovy> i like the difference the linux has between calling something a cache and a buffer
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1536 2014-02-15 18:30:04 <lnovy> or was it just me?
1537 2014-02-15 18:32:04 * lnovy will stop dumping everything he thinks to channel as nobody is interested in his thoughts mess
1538 2014-02-15 18:32:57 <anddam> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/How_to_import_private_keys#Import_Private_key.28s.29 --> "The importing process is now started. Bitcoind will rescan the entire block data to ensure this key has not been used before."
1539 2014-02-15 18:33:10 <anddam> does that cope well with the reindexing already in progress?
1540 2014-02-15 18:33:52 <maaku> it should ... modulo any undiscovered race conditions
1541 2014-02-15 18:34:15 <maaku> and ugh that text is bad. it's not ensuring the key hasn't been used, it's picking up existing transactions
1542 2014-02-15 18:35:13 <anddam> I see Karpeles registered bitcoin.it, I somehow thought it was "official"
1543 2014-02-15 18:35:39 <maaku> anddam: nothing in bitcoin is official
1544 2014-02-15 18:35:41 <maaku> by design
1545 2014-02-15 18:35:43 <Apocalyptic> ^
1546 2014-02-15 18:35:46 <Apocalyptic> remember thos
1547 2014-02-15 18:35:48 <Apocalyptic> *this
1548 2014-02-15 18:35:52 <anddam> I would contribute to it but he could eventually seize the characters I type in and not letting those out
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1551 2014-02-15 18:36:21 <Apocalyptic> anddam, nothing stops you from contributing and mirroring the content
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1553 2014-02-15 18:36:47 <anddam> here's the plan: 1) import privkey while reindexing and see if there are any actual race conditions 2) get pizza
1554 2014-02-15 18:36:57 <lnovy> for anyone wondering why backtracking from unspend outputs is not enough, give it a couple more seconds :)
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1556 2014-02-15 18:37:15 <Tecan> how would i make a coint that matures really fast but leaves rewards later ?
1557 2014-02-15 18:37:30 <Tecan> low block rate ?
1558 2014-02-15 18:37:34 <anddam> mm "error: {"code":-4,"message":"Error adding key to wallet"}"
1559 2014-02-15 18:37:36 <Apocalyptic> no scamcoin discussion here
1560 2014-02-15 18:37:53 <anddam> the command is   bitcoind importprivkey "$k" "anddam-address"
1561 2014-02-15 18:38:06 <anddam> variable k contains the privkey
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1565 2014-02-15 18:39:57 <maaku> lnovy: enough for what?
1566 2014-02-15 18:40:13 <maaku> Tecan: this is #BITCOIN-dev
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1569 2014-02-15 18:40:32 <wallet42> hey, is there a BIP for OP_RETURN Data "prefixing" ?
1570 2014-02-15 18:40:47 <lnovy> maaku: for checking that the privkey is only yours
1571 2014-02-15 18:41:10 <lnovy> or the address pubkey actually
1572 2014-02-15 18:41:11 <wallet42> i d really love some 4 magic bytes prefix or sth else so every project can identify data relevant to its own protocol
1573 2014-02-15 18:41:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wallet42: there is not
1574 2014-02-15 18:41:36 <maaku> anddam: is the key already imported?
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1584 2014-02-15 18:51:25 <Luke-Jr> wallet42: OP_RETURN has a few bytes extra size just for prefixes
1585 2014-02-15 18:51:32 <Luke-Jr> wallet42: but you're not supposed to actually use OP_RETURN
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1588 2014-02-15 18:52:53 <wallet42> i dont get what you mean
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1593 2014-02-15 18:53:32 <wallet42> i thaught its OP_RETURN + PUSHDATA_80 [80bytes]
1594 2014-02-15 18:53:43 <wallet42> or alike
1595 2014-02-15 18:54:38 <petertodd> wallet42: it's *up to* 80 bytes, and you can also have a bare OP_RETURN with no data too
1596 2014-02-15 18:55:16 <wallet42>  need exactly 79 bytes
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1599 2014-02-15 18:55:30 <petertodd> wallet42: 79 is fine
1600 2014-02-15 18:55:52 <wallet42> 4 magic bytes, int16, int64, sig[65]
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1603 2014-02-15 18:56:25 <petertodd> wallet42: it's better if what the data is for isn't clear, from a privacy point of view
1604 2014-02-15 18:57:09 <petertodd> wallet42: what are you trying to do exactly?
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1610 2014-02-15 18:59:07 <wallet42> petertodd: you mean i should do sth like 4 magic bytes + HASH160(int16, int64, sig[65]) ?
1611 2014-02-15 18:59:22 <petertodd> wallet42: depends, what are you trying to do exactly?
1612 2014-02-15 18:59:50 <wallet42> its like a signed invoice
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1615 2014-02-15 19:00:30 <wallet42> so the payer/buyer can prove that he just did as the seller asked him to
1616 2014-02-15 19:00:32 <petertodd> wallet42: you seen stealth addresses? chances are they're closer to what you want; I intend to add a small data field
1617 2014-02-15 19:00:53 <petertodd> wallet42: secondly, have you seen timo hanke's pay-to-contract talk? it may also be what you want
1618 2014-02-15 19:01:02 <wallet42> i saw stealth adresses, its your proposal right?
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1620 2014-02-15 19:01:38 <petertodd> wallet42: yup, though the principle has been reinvented by a few people (including myself)
1621 2014-02-15 19:01:45 <wallet42> i like it very much, is there a bip to consolidate the information for the proposal?
1622 2014-02-15 19:02:16 <petertodd> wallet42: genjix is working on an implementation; I intend to write a bip once we have working code
1623 2014-02-15 19:02:30 <wallet42> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwyALGlG33Q ?
1624 2014-02-15 19:02:41 <petertodd> wallet42: specifically, I'm going to write up my own "reference" implementation of it so we can check compatibility
1625 2014-02-15 19:02:48 <wallet42> i saw a reddit post of sx having it implemented already
1626 2014-02-15 19:03:02 <petertodd> wallet42: that's the video
1627 2014-02-15 19:03:10 <petertodd> wallet42: implemented part of it, not all of it
1628 2014-02-15 19:03:38 <wallet42> does OP_RETURN has to be the first opcode?
1629 2014-02-15 19:03:45 <petertodd> wallet42: yes
1630 2014-02-15 19:04:10 <petertodd> wallet42: reminds me, I should write a BIP for provably-prunable...
1631 2014-02-15 19:04:44 <wallet42> totally please
1632 2014-02-15 19:04:48 <wallet42> we need more BIPs
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1634 2014-02-15 19:07:09 <wallet42> wait...
1635 2014-02-15 19:07:20 <wallet42> i think i cannot use 80 bytes
1636 2014-02-15 19:07:25 <wallet42> or 79 bytes
1637 2014-02-15 19:07:28 <petertodd> ?
1638 2014-02-15 19:08:08 <wallet42> i need OP_RETURN OP_PUSHDATA1 79 [79 bytes]
1639 2014-02-15 19:08:15 <wallet42> not?
1640 2014-02-15 19:08:30 <petertodd> the "80 bytes" is calculated as the size of the data, not the scriptPubKey
1641 2014-02-15 19:08:31 <wallet42> oh stupid me, i dont need the stack stuff
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1643 2014-02-15 19:08:51 <petertodd> wallet42: nope, without a pushdata it's considered invalid
1644 2014-02-15 19:09:25 <wallet42> so above is valid?
1645 2014-02-15 19:09:26 <petertodd> wallet42: s/invalid/non-standard/
1646 2014-02-15 19:09:33 <petertodd> wallet42: yes
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1651 2014-02-15 19:12:24 <jcorgan> nice, -dbcache=1000 did full reindex (with addrindex) in ~100 minutes
1652 2014-02-15 19:12:45 <petertodd> jcorgan: ssd? how much ram?
1653 2014-02-15 19:13:09 <wallet42> -dbcache is awesome feature :)
1654 2014-02-15 19:13:25 <jcorgan> raid 10 with 6 spindles, 8 cores, and 16 GB ram, i'm afraid
1655 2014-02-15 19:13:48 <jcorgan> but same system with default took something like 6-7 hours before
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1657 2014-02-15 19:15:47 <petertodd> jcorgan: lol, well, I've had similar timings on one of the intel ssd's on a 32GiB system
1658 2014-02-15 19:16:30 <petertodd> jcorgan: heck, should try it again now that I got a second ssd on raid1, although I use btrfs which has 100MiB stripes rather than traditional raid1
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1660 2014-02-15 19:17:23 <jcorgan> i'm going to see about EC2 m1.small (1.7GB RAM) in a bit, probably use -dbcache=500 though
1661 2014-02-15 19:18:55 <petertodd> jcorgan: you know EC2 can easily change instance types 'eh? I usually switch it to something stupidly fast, do the reindex, and then switch it back to a cheaper instance type
1662 2014-02-15 19:19:27 <jcorgan> sure.  until you forget to change it back (I've *never* done that :)
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1664 2014-02-15 19:20:04 <rdymac> oh c'mon banned from #bitcoin ?
1665 2014-02-15 19:20:27 <petertodd> jcorgan: schedule a shutdown with shutdown -h 1day :)
1666 2014-02-15 19:20:42 <petertodd> jcorgan: actually, might be handy to have the ability to run a command when reindex is done...
1667 2014-02-15 19:21:34 <jcorgan> well, i'm off to go fly a plane
1668 2014-02-15 19:21:49 <petertodd> jcorgan: enjoy that $100 burger
1669 2014-02-15 19:22:15 <jcorgan> more than that now
1670 2014-02-15 19:22:39 <petertodd> jcorgan: you're taxiing it to the resturant at the other side of the airfield right? :P
1671 2014-02-15 19:23:21 <jcorgan> with the weather right now i'll be lucky to get out of the traffic pattern
1672 2014-02-15 19:23:35 <petertodd> jcorgan: heh, good luck!
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1698 2014-02-15 19:41:13 <chichov> what data type does the coinbase field in TxIn have?
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1702 2014-02-15 19:42:49 <lnovy> chichov: serialized CScript https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0034.mediawiki
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1704 2014-02-15 19:43:31 <chichov> alright, already suspected that it's simply CScript
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1706 2014-02-15 19:43:47 <sipa> *technically* the coinbase scriptSig is not a script
1707 2014-02-15 19:43:52 <sipa> it's just a byte array
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1710 2014-02-15 19:44:02 <sipa> and doesn't need to consist of meaningful script opcodes
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1712 2014-02-15 19:44:23 <sipa> but since bip34 it must start with a normal script push of the height
1713 2014-02-15 19:44:24 <chichov> gavin seems to name it "Serialized CScript"
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1715 2014-02-15 19:44:41 <sipa> start with, yes
1716 2014-02-15 19:44:43 <sipa> be, no
1717 2014-02-15 19:44:48 <Moon_Man> Could someone give me a brief high level overview on how to compile a client from the latest build version?
1718 2014-02-15 19:44:55 <sipa> Moon_Man: what OS?
1719 2014-02-15 19:45:02 <Moon_Man> Mac OSX mavericks
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1721 2014-02-15 19:45:29 <chichov> so it's rather a byte[] with the height in the first byte
1722 2014-02-15 19:45:56 <chichov> was already wondering if ScriptSigLen was used for that
1723 2014-02-15 19:46:06 <sipa> Moon_Man: have you followed https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/build-osx.md ?
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1725 2014-02-15 19:46:31 <Moon_Man> Erp, no I had no idea that existed. I'll do just that, thanks.
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1728 2014-02-15 19:48:54 <chichov> oh, the height is simply the block numbering
1729 2014-02-15 19:49:06 <chichov> where's the coinbase field length encoded?
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1783 2014-02-15 20:31:21 <maaku> sipa: is anyone working on implementing your malleability soft-fork bip?
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1787 2014-02-15 20:35:11 <sipa> maaku: not afaik
1788 2014-02-15 20:35:31 <maaku> sipa: ok, it's my next task after the ECC ntxid
1789 2014-02-15 20:35:50 <maaku> just didn't want to step on other people's toes
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1804 2014-02-15 20:48:15 <P4Titan> Does a CTransaction contain both the CTxIn and CTxOut for that
1805 2014-02-15 20:48:16 <P4Titan>           transaction, or can there be a CTxOut and a CtxIn in different
1806 2014-02-15 20:48:16 <P4Titan>           places?
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1808 2014-02-15 20:48:43 <P4Titan> Wierd formatting
1809 2014-02-15 20:50:00 <sipa> i don't understand the question
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1815 2014-02-15 20:58:02 <lnovy> P4Titan: it might be a bit abstract, but CTransaction is a class representing a transaction, CTxIn and CTxOut are also classes, there are some places where you do manipulations with instances of those but mainly, these instances are stored in vectors inside an instance of CTransaction... try rephrashing the question please...
1816 2014-02-15 20:59:41 <P4Titan> Well...
1817 2014-02-15 21:00:06 <P4Titan> In 1 transaction, there is a CTxIn and CTxOut, correct?
1818 2014-02-15 21:00:17 <lnovy> vectors of both
1819 2014-02-15 21:00:21 <sipa> at least one of each
1820 2014-02-15 21:00:28 <P4Titan> yes
1821 2014-02-15 21:00:38 <lnovy> class as itself doesn't assert that
1822 2014-02-15 21:00:49 <lnovy> but yes
1823 2014-02-15 21:01:27 <P4Titan> Ok, so, can there be a case where there is a Out and an In of the same transaction in different places
1824 2014-02-15 21:01:46 <sipa> define "places"
1825 2014-02-15 21:02:00 <P4Titan> different CTransactions
1826 2014-02-15 21:02:22 <sipa> two transactions can have the same inputs or the same outputs yes
1827 2014-02-15 21:02:42 <sipa> if they share the same inputs, those are conflicting or "double spending" transactions
1828 2014-02-15 21:02:53 <sipa> as both cannot be considered valid at the same time
1829 2014-02-15 21:02:58 <lnovy> these vectors are just "pointers", if you are speaking about inner working of bitcoind, it's possible to have even two instances representing the same txout or txin, but in consistend state, there is not such thing in blockchain
1830 2014-02-15 21:03:44 <lnovy> (inputs, same output is of course possible)
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1832 2014-02-15 21:04:30 <P4Titan> So after it is in the block chain, written down and confirmed many times, an input and an output of some transaction will be in the same holder, CTransaction
1833 2014-02-15 21:05:15 <lnovy> CTransaction is a "way" to handle and manipulate transactions generally
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1835 2014-02-15 21:05:25 <lnovy> you are mixing apples with oranges
1836 2014-02-15 21:05:32 <sipa> P4Titan: two transactions in the blockchain can have identical outputs
1837 2014-02-15 21:05:44 <sipa> if they pay the same amount to the same address
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1841 2014-02-15 21:07:37 <P4Titan> ok, but from an output I can link it to an input within the same CTransaction
1842 2014-02-15 21:08:20 <lnovy> I think you really mean just transactions not CTransaction...
1843 2014-02-15 21:08:42 <P4Titan> Well, isn't a Ctransaction a holder for a transaction
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1845 2014-02-15 21:09:49 <lnovy> yes, but for just every imanigable transaction, even invalid, even with no inputs... still could be represented by an instance of CTransaction. On the other hand an transaction from the blockchain is much narrower concept...
1846 2014-02-15 21:10:26 <P4Titan> Ok, by CTransaction I mean a complete legitmate transaction
1847 2014-02-15 21:11:15 <lnovy> so you are really meaning just transaction.
1848 2014-02-15 21:11:20 <P4Titan> Yes
1849 2014-02-15 21:12:09 <lnovy> then that is the basic concept of bitcoin, no two transactions in the blockchain can have the same input.
1850 2014-02-15 21:12:44 <P4Titan> why is that?
1851 2014-02-15 21:13:13 <lnovy> please try to learn how the bitcoin work, this is a development channel
1852 2014-02-15 21:13:31 <P4Titan> Ok
1853 2014-02-15 21:13:49 <P4Titan> I came here because I did not get much help from #bitcoin
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1856 2014-02-15 21:14:45 <lnovy> please do so again only when you are pointed to go here, not when you are not answered at all, thx
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1858 2014-02-15 21:15:34 <sipa> try reading bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf, or the wiki
1859 2014-02-15 21:16:06 <sipa> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Change is a particularly useful page, as it highlights a very common misconception
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1861 2014-02-15 21:16:19 <lnovy> yes, reading the source code is not exactly the easiest way to get a grasp of bitcoin working
1862 2014-02-15 21:16:21 <_syslog> i'm having some problems btc call ( actually my english is the problem )   how can i get this list via rpc call http://s8.postimg.org/4ru0wyrg5/image.png
1863 2014-02-15 21:17:05 <_syslog> * iknow i'm asking same question several times. but i still have no answer.
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1865 2014-02-15 21:17:10 <sipa> _syslog: i told you: getaddressesbyaccount
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1869 2014-02-15 21:17:43 <sipa> but the RPC interface isn't really intended for writing GUI clients on top
1870 2014-02-15 21:18:21 <P4Titan> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list may be good
1871 2014-02-15 21:18:26 <sipa> there was an early attempt for that, called spesmilo iirc
1872 2014-02-15 21:18:45 <_syslog> sorry wrong picture
1873 2014-02-15 21:18:47 <_syslog> http://s9.postimg.org/foga574qn/image.png
1874 2014-02-15 21:18:50 <_syslog> my bad.
1875 2014-02-15 21:19:12 <sipa> yes, that
1876 2014-02-15 21:19:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|23:11:55 <lnovy> then that is the basic concept of bitcoin, no two transactions in the blockchain can have the same input.
1877 2014-02-15 21:19:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Well, it used to be possible
1878 2014-02-15 21:19:34 <sipa> michagogo|cloud: never intentionally
1879 2014-02-15 21:19:38 <sipa> _syslog: the problem is that the GUI uses labels, and the RPC interface uses accounts
1880 2014-02-15 21:19:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Up until block height on coinbase
1881 2014-02-15 21:19:43 <sipa> _syslog: and unfortunately, they are linked
1882 2014-02-15 21:19:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|in*
1883 2014-02-15 21:20:10 <_syslog> so i have to make 2 connection for getting that info.
1884 2014-02-15 21:20:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sipa: sure, but it was possible
1885 2014-02-15 21:20:28 <sipa> _syslog: connections?
1886 2014-02-15 21:20:40 <sipa> you can reuse the same rpc connection, and i certainly advise you to do so
1887 2014-02-15 21:21:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|_syslog: I think you may mean calls
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1889 2014-02-15 21:21:33 <_syslog> i hate my english, you are right
1890 2014-02-15 21:21:53 <sipa> you'll need to make one call per label even
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1892 2014-02-15 21:22:40 <_syslog> getaccounts->loop all accounts -> send rpc call -> get info.  ( i understand now ) thank you
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1894 2014-02-15 21:22:48 <sipa> yeah
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1903 2014-02-15 21:31:21 <gavinandresen> _syslog : if performance is an issue, you can optimize by making lots of RPC calls in one "batch"  (bitcoind json-rpc supports the JSON 2.0 batch feature)
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1912 2014-02-15 21:37:44 <_syslog> gavinandresen:  i'm going to search your information, thank you.
1913 2014-02-15 21:39:34 <lnovy> michagogo|cloud: yes, bip34 solved that, and I was burned hard for not know this until yesterday :)
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1953 2014-02-15 21:57:19 <wallet42> petertodd: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418437.0 it seems like 78 bytes is the max?
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1962 2014-02-15 21:58:42 <wallet42> gavinandresen: is it OP_RETURN [anything80bytes] or is it OP_RETURN OP_PUSHDATA1 78 [any78bytes] or is it allowed to to OP_RETURN OP_PUSHDATA1 80 [any80bytes]
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1973 2014-02-15 22:01:54 <gavinandresen> wallet42: OP_PUSHDATA1 80 [any80bytes].   Must be a valid push-data-onto-stack after the OP_RETURN for it to be considered standard.
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1979 2014-02-15 22:02:32 <wallet42> but this means 82 bytes after OP_RETURN right? wont this be rejected?
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1983 2014-02-15 22:03:14 <gavinandresen> … so OP_RETURN OP_0    would be ok.  OP_RETURN OP_PUSHDATA4 0x00000000 would be ok too….
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1991 2014-02-15 22:05:56 <gavinandresen> wallet42: see line 200 or so in test/transaction_tests.cpp
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1994 2014-02-15 22:06:58 <gavinandresen> wallet42: … and feel free to extend those unit tests and submit a pull request
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2037 2014-02-15 22:24:03 <knotwork> I have been running "version" : 80500, it just told me "Warning: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade." so I did "git pull" and that told me "You are not currently on a branch. Please specify which
2038 2014-02-15 22:24:03 <knotwork> branch you want to merge with. See git-pull(1) for details."
2039 2014-02-15 22:24:38 <knotwork> What branch ought I to use? How to even guess which one if simply main pull is not the one?
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2043 2014-02-15 22:25:45 <knotwork> If I just delete my repo and do a fresh clone will leave me still not on a branch or will that magically select a branch for me and hopefully the correct one?
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2046 2014-02-15 22:26:18 <sipa> in normal circumstances you're always on a branch
2047 2014-02-15 22:26:33 <sipa> only during a rebase or some other surgery operations you end up in a not-on-a-branch state
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2049 2014-02-15 22:26:50 <sipa> ah, explicitly checking out a remote branch also causes that, iirc
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2051 2014-02-15 22:26:53 <gmaxwell> checkout {commit id} also puts you not-on-a-branch
2052 2014-02-15 22:27:28 <sipa> do this: git fetch upstream; git checkout master; git reset --hard upstream/master
2053 2014-02-15 22:27:32 <sipa> also: it will not help
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2056 2014-02-15 22:28:15 <sipa> it's much more likely that your database has become corrupted
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2059 2014-02-15 22:28:45 <lnovy> detached head trickery, I <3 git
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2061 2014-02-15 22:29:17 <knotwork> Are there malleability fixes in latest version?
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2064 2014-02-15 22:30:06 <knotwork> git fetch upstream; git checkout master; git reset --hard upstream/master
2065 2014-02-15 22:30:06 <knotwork> fatal: 'upstream' does not appear to be a git repository
2066 2014-02-15 22:30:06 <knotwork> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
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2068 2014-02-15 22:30:22 <sipa> maybe it's called origin instead of upstream, if you cloned it directly
2069 2014-02-15 22:30:49 <sipa> in git head there are some malleability fixes
2070 2014-02-15 22:30:58 <sipa> not in any released version
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2072 2014-02-15 22:35:13 <knotwork> Maybe just running the version I already have, with -rescan or -reindex or both might be best thing to do then instead of build a new executable?
2073 2014-02-15 22:35:30 <sipa> i would suggest you upgrade to 0.8.6 first
2074 2014-02-15 22:36:08 <sipa> or 0.9.0rc1 if you're willing to potentially less tested code
2075 2014-02-15 22:36:27 <knotwork> which would I get if I delete my repo and so a clone from scratch?
2076 2014-02-15 22:36:32 <knotwork> s/so/do/
2077 2014-02-15 22:36:40 <sipa> just do as i say
2078 2014-02-15 22:36:43 <sipa> git fetch origin
2079 2014-02-15 22:36:45 <sipa> does that work?
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2081 2014-02-15 22:37:11 <knotwork> it didnt complain nor indicate that it did anything
2082 2014-02-15 22:37:57 <knotwork> I hate messign with branches normally for apps I just do git clone first time then git pull thereafter to keep up to date
2083 2014-02-15 22:38:46 <sipa> git checkout master
2084 2014-02-15 22:38:50 <sipa> git reset --hard origin/master
2085 2014-02-15 22:38:57 <sipa> and you're good to go
2086 2014-02-15 22:39:47 <knotwork> ok thanks
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2096 2014-02-15 22:44:51 <knotwork> Obviously it did change something, as now I get "util.h:99:2: error: #error missing boost sleep implementation" which I was not getting before.
2097 2014-02-15 22:45:32 <knotwork> Ouch I also am missing makefile.unix which is what I usually make my makefile.fedora17 out of
2098 2014-02-15 22:45:56 <sipa> those don't exist anymore
2099 2014-02-15 22:46:01 <knotwork> Ahhh autotools
2100 2014-02-15 22:46:08 <knotwork> cool I will autoconf it
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2102 2014-02-15 22:46:40 <knotwork> how would I tell it about my custom openssl though that has the elliptic curves since Fedora normally lacks elliptic curves?
2103 2014-02-15 22:47:21 <sipa> rtfm
2104 2014-02-15 22:47:28 <sipa> ./configure --help
2105 2014-02-15 22:47:35 <lnovy> knotwork: I work for redhat, use fedora on my home computers and usually install bitcoin in debian virt. machine :)
2106 2014-02-15 22:47:58 <lnovy> much easier :)
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2108 2014-02-15 22:48:37 <knotwork> Normally I just hack the makefile. Presumably with autotools it'll be some kind of switch to tell it where my openssl is located
2109 2014-02-15 22:48:41 <Luke-Jr> lnovy: get RedHat to stop being stupid instead? :P
2110 2014-02-15 22:48:56 <knotwork> --with-openssl= or something like that
2111 2014-02-15 22:49:51 <lnovy> Luke-Jr: yeah, i find respecting patent law stupid also, but they would not listen to me :)
2112 2014-02-15 22:50:07 <Luke-Jr> lnovy: there is nothing patented about the EC bitcoin needs/uses
2113 2014-02-15 22:50:15 <andytoshi> knotwork: my fedora configure line is,
2114 2014-02-15 22:50:17 <andytoshi> CRYPTO_CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/ssl/include CRYPTO_LIBS="-L/usr/local/ssl/lib -ldl -lcrypto" SSL_CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/ssl/include SSL_LIBS="-L/usr/local/ssl/lib -lssl" ./configure --disable-ipv6 --with-qt=no --enable-tests=no --without-miniupnpc
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2116 2014-02-15 22:50:35 <andytoshi> oops, note that --with-qt=no doesn't work, i think it's supposed to be --without-qt
2117 2014-02-15 22:50:43 <lnovy> Luke-Jr: it's much more complicated and we would be heavily offtopic...
2118 2014-02-15 22:50:57 <sipa> disable ipv6? :o
2119 2014-02-15 22:52:12 <andytoshi> iirc i did that because 'curl localhost' resolves to 127.0.0.1 and won't talk to bitcoind otherwise. or something
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2121 2014-02-15 22:53:36 <sipa> that sounds like a bug...
2122 2014-02-15 22:53:57 <richardus> what is the purpose of the sort sleep in the bitcoin client networking code
2123 2014-02-15 22:54:03 <richardus> s/sort/short/
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2125 2014-02-15 22:54:28 <sipa> richardus: avoiding busy loops
2126 2014-02-15 22:54:39 <andytoshi> sipa: yeah, i'll build without that flag and see if i can remember what broke.
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2131 2014-02-15 22:56:55 <knotwork> Hmm configure finds boost chrono but cannot find exit in boost chrono does it need some newer version of boost maybe that fedora 17 didn't have?
2132 2014-02-15 22:57:23 <lnovy> fedora 17 is oooold
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2134 2014-02-15 22:57:57 <knotwork> I know. I started moving some machines to Fedora 19 but am having to wait for electricity hookup in country house before I can really do much with anything lately
2135 2014-02-15 22:58:25 <knotwork> cant plug in another machine here to start migrating stuff off my old fedora 17 box yet
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2138 2014-02-15 22:59:28 <knotwork> I guess upgradign bitcoin will have to wait. I will try rescan and re-index in case its actually a database problem not a version of code problem as someone indicated earlier
2139 2014-02-15 22:59:41 <lnovy> are you services that critical you cannot upgrade without migrations back and forth? in that case, you should really be having HA/loadbalancing implemented first...
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2143 2014-02-15 23:00:23 <knotwork> last times I tried upgrading existing installs from 17 to 19 they didnt go well
2144 2014-02-15 23:00:33 <lnovy> i'm sorry, I little bit overstrethed, i haven't got much sleep last week
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2146 2014-02-15 23:00:38 <knotwork> so have taken to preferrign to just start a new machine with 19 from scratch
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