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  33 2014-02-20 00:24:05 <Keverw> Hey. I'm trying to use MacDeploy and getting "Could not import appscript which is required for fancy disk images." yet I installed appscript and even rebooted. Any ideas why?
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  36 2014-02-20 00:25:33 <analogrithems> Hey I'm working on an a project where I query the block chain in elastic search and I'm wondering if their is an easy way to dump the block chain from bitcoind.  Also for the bootstrap.dat where can I find a mapping definition for the format?
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  39 2014-02-20 00:26:49 <analogrithems> or can anyone recommend a good method in perl, C, or php for dumping the the block chain?
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  42 2014-02-20 00:28:45 <freewil> using bitcoind you can use the rpc commands getblockhash <index> and getblock <hash>
  43 2014-02-20 00:29:19 <freewil> if you just start by calling getblock <hash> with the genesis block then i think the output will give you the output of the next block
  44 2014-02-20 00:29:49 <freewil> correction: the hash of the next block
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  48 2014-02-20 00:31:51 <sipa> bootstrap.dat is just a concatenation of blocks in network format
  49 2014-02-20 00:32:13 <sipa> each preceeded by an 8-byte header: 4 bytes network magic, and 4 byte block length
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  55 2014-02-20 00:39:05 <analogrithems> sipa: thanks, but what about the script part and confirmation?  Or does that not get stored in the final block chain?
  56 2014-02-20 00:39:45 <sipa> analogrithems: confirmations == the number of blocks on top of a block
  57 2014-02-20 00:39:59 <sipa> analogrithems: and the scripts are within the outputs of transactions inside the block
  58 2014-02-20 00:40:37 <analogrithems> awesome guys thanks
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 215 2014-02-20 03:29:39 <CourtJesterG> the read me txt and than it has the readme-qt.rst to build the graphic interface
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 409 2014-02-20 06:11:02 <freewil> are blockhashes mallable?
 410 2014-02-20 06:11:11 <antephialtic> no
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 412 2014-02-20 06:11:43 <da2ce7> freewil: wat? no. the least mallable data structure on earth.
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 414 2014-02-20 06:12:16 <freewil> im just wondering if right after a miner broadcasts a block
 415 2014-02-20 06:12:41 <freewil> if arbitrary data can be added to it to change the blockhash similar to the txid
 416 2014-02-20 06:12:57 <da2ce7> freewil: no. no no.
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 441 2014-02-20 06:43:15 <freewil> ok, good to hear
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 449 2014-02-20 06:48:51 <wumpus> to malleate the block you need to do all the mining work again
 450 2014-02-20 06:49:21 <wumpus> in which case you do a lot of work to create a stale block
 451 2014-02-20 06:49:54 <freewil> i see
 452 2014-02-20 06:50:17 bitblender_m is now known as bitblender
 453 2014-02-20 06:50:23 <freewil> so you cannot just add arbitrary data to a block that isnt computed with mining
 454 2014-02-20 06:51:00 <wumpus> the entire block is hashed for mining - so, no
 455 2014-02-20 06:51:23 <freewil> ok thanks
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 533 2014-02-20 08:17:32 <abishek> hi, is there a page that details about what is new or what has changed since the previous release of bitcoind?
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 540 2014-02-20 08:20:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/doc
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 543 2014-02-20 08:20:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|There should be a directory called "release-notes" or something like that
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 545 2014-02-20 08:21:14 <abishek> michagogo|cloud, thanks, I found this https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/release-notes.md
 546 2014-02-20 08:21:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: that's for the latest version
 547 2014-02-20 08:21:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(Which isn't released yet)
 548 2014-02-20 08:21:46 <abishek> ok
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 550 2014-02-20 08:22:54 <abishek> thanks
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 555 2014-02-20 08:24:47 <abishek> michagogo|cloud, how do I find what is the current version of bitcoin installed on linux? I have bitcoind running
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 557 2014-02-20 08:26:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: getinfo
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 559 2014-02-20 08:26:07 <abishek> ok
 560 2014-02-20 08:26:08 <wumpus> bitcoind --version
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 562 2014-02-20 08:26:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Or that
 563 2014-02-20 08:26:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(Taking Wladimir's word for it)
 564 2014-02-20 08:26:42 <wumpus> eh no that doesn't actually work
 565 2014-02-20 08:26:45 <wumpus> :D
 566 2014-02-20 08:26:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Heh
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 568 2014-02-20 08:27:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|abishek: so yeah, the getinfo rpc
 569 2014-02-20 08:27:10 <wumpus> --help
 570 2014-02-20 08:27:12 <wumpus> that works
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 573 2014-02-20 08:27:34 <wumpus> I guess a --version would be nice too, that goes on the long list of would be nice
 574 2014-02-20 08:27:54 <abishek> wumpus, i dont I will be able to use --help if the daemon was already running, I will try to use getinfo rpc call
 575 2014-02-20 08:28:15 <wumpus> you can always use --help even if it's already running :p
 576 2014-02-20 08:28:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: I'd imagine it's easier than some of the others to implement, though
 577 2014-02-20 08:28:46 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: most of the 'would be nice' list is easy to implement, but no one ever gets around to it
 578 2014-02-20 08:29:03 <wumpus> that's how open source works isn't it, the hard stuff is implemented because it's fun :)
 579 2014-02-20 08:29:13 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|would if he knew any cpp
 580 2014-02-20 08:29:56 <wumpus> I still need to fix ipv6 support in bitcoin-cli
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 582 2014-02-20 08:30:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Erm, you need ipv6 for localhost?
 583 2014-02-20 08:30:36 <wumpus> yes, it's the new way
 584 2014-02-20 08:30:43 <wumpus> [::1] is where the heart is
 585 2014-02-20 08:31:12 <wumpus> just kidding, bitcoin-cli should also work for non-localhost
 586 2014-02-20 08:31:33 <wumpus> which is the harder thing to test if you don't have a IPv6 network, but we'll figure something out
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 589 2014-02-20 08:34:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: he.net tunnel?
 590 2014-02-20 08:35:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(I got a t-shirt from them a week or two ago after completing their ipv6 quizzes some time last year...)
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 597 2014-02-20 08:46:40 <wumpus> btw if anyone is interested in running statistics for this 1Enjoy 1Sochi 'spam attack', I've collected about 700 of those transactions overnight including metadata such as receive time and relaying node: https://download.visucore.com/bitcoin/1Enjoy_1Sochi.tar.bz2
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 643 2014-02-20 09:41:00 <shaileshg> Hi, total value of unspent outputs in https://blockchain.info/unspent?active=1dice8EMZmqKvrGE4Qc9bUFf9PX3xaYDp&format=json is 18976413
 644 2014-02-20 09:41:24 <shaileshg> whereas if I see the final balance of same address in https://blockchain.info/address/1dice8EMZmqKvrGE4Qc9bUFf9PX3xaYDp?format=json, it is 46976953
 645 2014-02-20 09:42:13 <shaileshg> can anyone explain why they are different knowing the face that 0.02 btc has not been included in the value of 1st link
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 652 2014-02-20 09:43:50 <gmaxwell> shaileshg: sounds like a question for bc.i, not here.
 653 2014-02-20 09:44:10 <shaileshg> gmaxwell: oh. okay
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 701 2014-02-20 10:58:44 <maaku> pushed (hopefully final) version of my base32 error correction codes and normative transaction ID to https://github.com/maaku/bitcoin/tree/normtxid
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 703 2014-02-20 10:59:08 <maaku> now with documentation, a couple of bug fixes, and complete unit test coverage
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 737 2014-02-20 11:33:12 <wallet42> in essence what does the normtx hashes?
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 739 2014-02-20 11:33:29 <sipa> everything but input scripts
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 752 2014-02-20 11:43:47 <wallet42> so… unsiged txhash?
 753 2014-02-20 11:44:33 <sipa> pretty much
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 755 2014-02-20 11:46:02 <wallet42> pretty much or eq?
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 757 2014-02-20 11:46:26 <wallet42> because if we can just use the unsigned txhash then we dont need to introduce a new txhash
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 763 2014-02-20 11:48:37 <sipa> you mean the signature hash?
 764 2014-02-20 11:48:49 <sipa> that is different for every input, unfortunately
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 767 2014-02-20 11:49:01 <wallet42> oh right… i forgot
 768 2014-02-20 11:49:04 <sipa> as it mixes in the script of the output being spent
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 776 2014-02-20 11:52:17 <wallet42> another thing crossed my mind last night. i remember ed25519 by djb to support deterministic signatures out of the box. has this been discussed?
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 783 2014-02-20 11:53:53 <iBuyBTC> ;;voiceme
 784 2014-02-20 11:53:54 <gribble> Error: You already have voice in #bitcoin-otc.
 785 2014-02-20 11:53:55 <gmaxwell> wallet42: uh. From context I am thinking that you are thinking this is related to malleability. It is absolutely not.
 786 2014-02-20 11:54:45 <wallet42> gmaxwell: you are right thinking, me thinking that ;) nevermind then
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 789 2014-02-20 11:56:01 <sipa> ecdsa also supports determinisitc signatures
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 791 2014-02-20 11:56:22 <wallet42> i wasnt suggesting ed25519 in general too (for instance bip32 not possible -_-). but djb may use some trick to generate deterministic signatures somehow
 792 2014-02-20 11:56:23 <sipa> but that is a client side implementation detail
 793 2014-02-20 11:57:05 <wallet42> sipa: can the verifier prove the signature was generated in a determisic way?
 794 2014-02-20 11:57:15 <gmaxwell> wallet42: no.
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 796 2014-02-20 11:57:52 <sipa> not for eddsa and not for ecdsa
 797 2014-02-20 11:58:20 <gmaxwell> The only way I know to make a verifyably determinstic signature in a regular EC group (as opposed to a gap-DH group) is to pre-commit to the nonce prior to signing, and then you can only safely sign a single message.
 798 2014-02-20 11:58:35 <gmaxwell> e.g. make the nonce part of the public key.
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 800 2014-02-20 11:58:55 <wallet42> like a hash of it?
 801 2014-02-20 11:58:58 <gmaxwell> (and another lame thing about bitcoin is that you can't currently construct a nonce-constraning txout, alas)
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 803 2014-02-20 11:59:46 <gmaxwell> wallet42: a hash is fine, or the r value explicitly.
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 850 2014-02-20 12:39:09 <JackH> it seems that my BitcoinQt is having a huge problem downloading blocks. I am 3 weeks behind, more or less before the malability problem started
 851 2014-02-20 12:39:16 <JackH> anyone experienced the same issue?
 852 2014-02-20 12:39:20 <JackH> I am on Ubuntu
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 854 2014-02-20 12:39:47 <phillipsjk> What problems?
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 858 2014-02-20 12:40:29 <JackH> extreme slowness
 859 2014-02-20 12:40:39 <JackH> I am talking 5+ min for a block here
 860 2014-02-20 12:40:51 <JackH> ah well, maybe 2-3 min
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 862 2014-02-20 12:41:09 <JackH> version 0.8.6
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 866 2014-02-20 12:42:32 <JackH> with this speed its going to take me 3 days to download 3 weeks block data
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 870 2014-02-20 12:44:21 <phillipsjk> seems normal. Don't have enough experience catching up the chain to know how much of an outlier your case is.
 871 2014-02-20 12:44:52 <JackH> well, let me just say it did not go this slow
 872 2014-02-20 12:44:56 <JackH> I mean, this is waaay to slow
 873 2014-02-20 12:45:05 <JackH> who on earth is going to wait these times
 874 2014-02-20 12:45:09 <JackH> it makes Bitcoin slower than any bank
 875 2014-02-20 12:45:13 <JackH> and I am a Bitcoin fan here
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 877 2014-02-20 12:45:18 <JackH> but this, this is not alright
 878 2014-02-20 12:46:37 <phillipsjk> how much of your memory is the Bitcoin process using? sounds like it may be swapping out.
 879 2014-02-20 12:47:52 <JackH> its actually not that high
 880 2014-02-20 12:47:54 * phillipsjk was under the impression most the memory leaks were squashed.
 881 2014-02-20 12:48:01 <JackH> about 40-50%
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 883 2014-02-20 12:48:17 <JackH> since we started this conversation, 7 blocks are downloaded
 884 2014-02-20 12:48:19 <JackH> 7!
 885 2014-02-20 12:48:39 <phillipsjk> 10 mins
 886 2014-02-20 12:48:57 <wumpus> probably it picked a a slow node
 887 2014-02-20 12:48:58 <JackH> yes
 888 2014-02-20 12:49:03 <wumpus> or is CPU usage high too?
 889 2014-02-20 12:49:21 <JackH> CPU usage seems to be "fair"
 890 2014-02-20 12:49:34 <sipa> is it using more than a single core of CPU?
 891 2014-02-20 12:49:43 <JackH> memory is 31%
 892 2014-02-20 12:49:49 <JackH> cpu is about 20% on each core
 893 2014-02-20 12:49:56 <sipa> most likely theory: you're downloading from a slwo peer
 894 2014-02-20 12:49:58 <roybadami> What's CPU utilization?  On my 2010 vintage Macbook Air it maxes out both cores at a solid 100%.
 895 2014-02-20 12:50:09 <JackH> I cant see if Bitcoin is using a specific amount of cores, can I ?
 896 2014-02-20 12:50:26 <JackH> how do I increase peer number from 8 to more?
 897 2014-02-20 12:50:31 <sipa> if no core is mased out, it's not cpu bound
 898 2014-02-20 12:50:41 <sipa> you want to decrease it
 899 2014-02-20 12:50:46 <Adlai> JackH: you'll need to open ports so you can get incoming connections
 900 2014-02-20 12:50:46 <sipa> more peers will slow you down
 901 2014-02-20 12:50:49 <andytoshi> will restarting give him new peers?
 902 2014-02-20 12:50:50 <JackH> no core is above 20
 903 2014-02-20 12:50:54 <sipa> andytoshi: yes
 904 2014-02-20 12:51:06 <roybadami> (And this morning I caught up on about a week's worth of blocks on my Air and it took under an hour)
 905 2014-02-20 12:51:08 <JackH> why? dont I want as many peers as possible?
 906 2014-02-20 12:51:12 <sipa> no
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 908 2014-02-20 12:51:29 <sipa> that means it needs to do more work in relaying and accepting messages from peers
 909 2014-02-20 12:51:37 <sipa> the actual downloading only happens from a single peer
 910 2014-02-20 12:51:46 <JackH> ahh i see
 911 2014-02-20 12:51:49 <sipa> that's being worked on, but it's remarkably tricky
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 913 2014-02-20 12:52:06 <JackH> well it has always been 8, and is 8 now as well
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 915 2014-02-20 12:52:19 <roybadami> sipa: how about a heurisit to switch peers if the selected one is slow?
 916 2014-02-20 12:52:26 <roybadami> *heuristic
 917 2014-02-20 12:52:34 <JackH> to multi download?
 918 2014-02-20 12:52:35 <sipa> roybadami: "meh"
 919 2014-02-20 12:52:47 <sipa> roybadami: not a solution
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 921 2014-02-20 12:52:59 <phillipsjk> Multidownload has been solved by bitorrent.
 922 2014-02-20 12:53:13 <wumpus> phillipsjk: for a completely different problem set
 923 2014-02-20 12:53:24 <roybadami> Most people will be CPU bound - you don't really need multiple peers unless you hit a bad one.
 924 2014-02-20 12:53:45 <roybadami> (Not saying it's an elegant solution - but if the elegant solution is too hard...)
 925 2014-02-20 12:53:47 <JackH> what is the actual avarage size of one block anyway?
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 927 2014-02-20 12:53:59 <phillipsjk> like 256kB
 928 2014-02-20 12:54:00 <JackH> 500kb? 1MB? 1kb?
 929 2014-02-20 12:54:03 <wumpus> is there a manual way to switch to another peer?
 930 2014-02-20 12:54:10 <sipa> wumpus: no
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 932 2014-02-20 12:54:47 <wumpus> apart from restarting the client, of course
 933 2014-02-20 12:55:08 <JackH> the dev's should add more options to let us run parameters in the Qt to how we want to se our options
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 935 2014-02-20 12:55:14 <JackH> se = set
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 937 2014-02-20 12:55:29 <sipa> what options do you need?
 938 2014-02-20 12:55:59 <sipa> the fact that we download from a single peer, is a bug imho
 939 2014-02-20 12:56:03 <JackH> check this out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2730.msg4663147#msg4663147
 940 2014-02-20 12:56:10 <JackH> my msg on the boards
 941 2014-02-20 12:56:15 <JackH> that one, would rock to have
 942 2014-02-20 12:56:26 <sipa> JackH: 0.9 has that
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 944 2014-02-20 12:56:46 <wumpus> nah it does not have seperate walletdir and blockchaindir
 945 2014-02-20 12:56:47 <JackH> oh
 946 2014-02-20 12:56:53 <JackH> didnt know that
 947 2014-02-20 12:56:54 <wumpus> but you can specify another wallet name
 948 2014-02-20 12:56:56 <gmaxwell> it has
 949 2014-02-20 12:56:56 <gmaxwell>   -wallet=<file>         Specify wallet file (within data directory)
 950 2014-02-20 12:56:58 <JackH> wait, 0.9 is not out yet, is it?
 951 2014-02-20 12:57:04 <sipa> please help test :)
 952 2014-02-20 12:57:08 <JackH> lol, does it or doesnt it
 953 2014-02-20 12:57:16 <sipa> no, 0.9.0rc1 exists
 954 2014-02-20 12:57:19 <JackH> ahh
 955 2014-02-20 12:57:21 <JackH> damn :/
 956 2014-02-20 12:57:24 <JackH> so still no other location
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 959 2014-02-20 12:57:39 <wumpus> right, within the data directory, it's not possible to set a walletdir
 960 2014-02-20 12:57:44 <wumpus> there is actually an issue on github for that
 961 2014-02-20 12:57:52 <JackH> ugh, dev stuff....
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 963 2014-02-20 12:57:59 <JackH> as much as I would like to, this would eat up my time
 964 2014-02-20 12:58:02 <wumpus> don't post feature requests on the forum as no one of us reads that
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 966 2014-02-20 12:58:20 <wumpus> (well at least I don't)
 967 2014-02-20 12:58:25 <sipa> neither do i
 968 2014-02-20 12:58:29 <JackH> yeah but gaving closed that
 969 2014-02-20 12:58:40 <sipa> ?
 970 2014-02-20 12:58:53 <JackH> I found the very same thing on git, but the topic was closed
 971 2014-02-20 12:58:56 <JackH> sec...
 972 2014-02-20 12:58:57 <wumpus> JackH: here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3214
 973 2014-02-20 12:59:09 <JackH> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/68
 974 2014-02-20 12:59:17 <wumpus> it's Open, which means it will be addressed some time between now and the end of time
 975 2014-02-20 12:59:41 <JackH> ahh it has a new post
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 977 2014-02-20 12:59:51 <wumpus> and the other one is closed because it is implemented
 978 2014-02-20 12:59:58 <wumpus> maybe *read* the comments?
 979 2014-02-20 13:00:12 <JackH> yes
 980 2014-02-20 13:00:12 <JackH> Closing; 0.9 release has a "-wallet=filename.dat" option. It must still be in the -datadir, though.
 981 2014-02-20 13:00:25 <JackH> but, I read the topic as wallet being in a different folder
 982 2014-02-20 13:00:35 <JackH> and not in datadir
 983 2014-02-20 13:01:03 <wumpus> the wallet actually lodges a db environment around with it, so you need to reserve an entire directory for it, not just a file
 984 2014-02-20 13:01:25 <sipa> it would be possible to set the database environment elsewhere, independent from the datadir
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 986 2014-02-20 13:01:46 <wumpus> sure, that would -walletdir do
 987 2014-02-20 13:01:54 <sipa> but if you just put it around the wallet file, i'm sure we'll see many people try to run it off usb sticks and such
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 989 2014-02-20 13:02:30 <wumpus> in any case it would be good to be able to separate them; backup preferences are completely different for both, for example
 990 2014-02-20 13:02:58 <sipa> let's implement an append-only wallet file format first
 991 2014-02-20 13:03:03 <JackH> I see this as a security preference, to save the wallet into an encrypted folder
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 993 2014-02-20 13:03:17 <sipa> JackH: agree, that's a good use case
 994 2014-02-20 13:03:25 <wumpus> hah, let's do append-only firs,t that's one way to make sure it never gets done :-)
 995 2014-02-20 13:03:41 <sipa> wumpus: i implemented that years ago :)
 996 2014-02-20 13:03:51 <sipa> (well, never to a point where it was production ready...)
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 998 2014-02-20 13:04:23 <JackH> you guys are really in the center of all the chaos eh
 999 2014-02-20 13:04:27 <wumpus> ok great but getting from here to there wil still be tricky
1000 2014-02-20 13:04:38 <JackH> devs for a currency that is touching the central banks
1001 2014-02-20 13:04:41 <JackH> and you are unpaid
1002 2014-02-20 13:04:45 <JackH> haha, this is crazy :)
1003 2014-02-20 13:04:50 <wumpus> even if we had a fully-working append only deterministic wallet implementation that could work with bitcoind
1004 2014-02-20 13:05:12 <sipa> wumpus: dumpwallet / importwallet still work
1005 2014-02-20 13:05:27 <wumpus> sipa: that's true...
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1007 2014-02-20 13:05:53 <sipa> i don't believe in unifying wallet file formats, as we don't yet have best practices or even have come to a consensus what a wallet really is
1008 2014-02-20 13:06:08 <sipa> doesn't mean we can't export/import to an interchange format
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1010 2014-02-20 13:07:19 <wumpus> in any case I still like the append-only wallet idea
1011 2014-02-20 13:08:08 <wumpus> though deterministic wallet would have higher prio I guess
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1021 2014-02-20 13:24:13 <sipa> wumpus: they're orthogonal, but indeed
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1076 2014-02-20 14:03:30 <gpmnlxdw> 22:02:56
1077 2014-02-20 14:03:30 <gpmnlxdw> 
1078 2014-02-20 14:03:30 <gpmnlxdw> gettransaction "1075db55d416d3ca199f55b6084e2115b9345e16c5cf302fc80e9d5fbf5d48d"
1079 2014-02-20 14:03:30 <gpmnlxdw> 22:02:56
1080 2014-02-20 14:03:30 <gpmnlxdw> 
1081 2014-02-20 14:03:31 <gpmnlxdw> Invalid or non-wallet transaction id (code -5)
1082 2014-02-20 14:03:39 <gpmnlxdw> so bad .....
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1084 2014-02-20 14:04:18 <gpmnlxdw> I have add the txindex=1 in the bitcoin.conf, also I have launched the bitcoin-qt with -reindex option
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1086 2014-02-20 14:04:29 <gpmnlxdw> But I can not get others' transaction
1087 2014-02-20 14:04:34 <gpmnlxdw> >_<
1088 2014-02-20 14:04:58 <andytoshi> gpmnlxdw: the id you posted is 63 characters long..
1089 2014-02-20 14:05:10 <andytoshi> should be 64
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1092 2014-02-20 14:06:51 <sipa> gpmnlxdw: gettransaction queries the effect of a transaction on your wallet's ledger
1093 2014-02-20 14:06:58 <sipa> it only works for your own wallet
1094 2014-02-20 14:07:14 <sipa> to just query for actual bitcoin transactions, use getrawtransaction
1095 2014-02-20 14:07:42 <gpmnlxdw> yes, But I want to get the tx details of others
1096 2014-02-20 14:07:52 <gpmnlxdw> oooo
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1100 2014-02-20 14:07:56 <gpmnlxdw> getraw ....
1101 2014-02-20 14:08:22 <gpmnlxdw> yeah, it works
1102 2014-02-20 14:08:23 <gpmnlxdw> !
1103 2014-02-20 14:08:25 <gpmnlxdw> :D
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1108 2014-02-20 14:10:29 <Tyklol> is there an estimate for when the new bitcoind version where the transaction thing is fixed will be released ?
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1131 2014-02-20 14:15:39 <nsh> Tyklol, malleability problems will probable be fixed progressively, due to complexity of changes and side-effects
1132 2014-02-20 14:15:44 <nsh> *probably
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1146 2014-02-20 14:16:21 <nsh> i don't think there's a definite roadmap yet, but i haven't been paying too close attention to discussions
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1152 2014-02-20 14:16:40 <sipa> there are really a few separate discussions
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1155 2014-02-20 14:17:00 <sipa> one is to make the reference client wallet more robust against malleability and double spending
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1157 2014-02-20 14:17:22 <sipa> another is a long-term set of changes to get rid of malleability when wantes
1158 2014-02-20 14:17:30 <Tyklol> okay well I have a couple of servers/services built on top of bitcoind, they are showing incorrect balances and transactions that never confirm, last week I was told in here that a fix should be forthcoming next week (this week)
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1160 2014-02-20 14:19:06 <Tyklol> I'd rather not use the unreleased code if I can avoid it, but it depends a bit on the timeframe
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1188 2014-02-20 14:30:16 <gpmnlxdw> I'm studying Gavin's TwoOfThree.sh, I'm wondering the scriptPubKey's value. Where does the scriptPubKey come from when createrawtransaction for a spending from the multisig addr?
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1191 2014-02-20 14:30:40 <wallet42>    2372 /Satoshi:0.8.5/:
1192 2014-02-20 14:30:40 <wallet42>    7396 /Snoopy:0.1/:
1193 2014-02-20 14:30:40 <wallet42>    9218 /Satoshi:0.8.6/:
1194 2014-02-20 14:30:49 <wallet42> dafuq? what is snoopy
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1196 2014-02-20 14:31:23 <wallet42> snoop dogg has implementet his own bitcoin client?
1197 2014-02-20 14:31:27 <gpmnlxdw> it is decoded from previous input transaction?
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1199 2014-02-20 14:31:53 <gavinandresen> gpmnlxdw: validateaddress <your bitcoin address> will tell you the address' full pubkey
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1210 2014-02-20 14:32:48 <gpmnlxdw> Ah ha, Gavin is here!!!!!
1211 2014-02-20 14:32:55 <gpmnlxdw> Thank you, I will try it!
1212 2014-02-20 14:33:20 <ikbenwouter> wallet42, https://github.com/cdecker/pycoin/blob/master/bitcoin/common.py ? snoopy mentioned as user agent over there
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1217 2014-02-20 14:33:46 <gpmnlxdw> But how can I get the pubkey if I'm the mediator?
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1222 2014-02-20 14:34:53 <gpmnlxdw> not so good, validateaddress just works for my own's wallet
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1240 2014-02-20 14:38:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gpmnlxdw: to Crete the multisig address, you need all the keys
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1261 2014-02-20 14:38:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Each party needs to provide their own key(s)
1262 2014-02-20 14:38:56 <gpmnlxdw> Yes, I have collect all of them, and the the multisig addr
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1266 2014-02-20 14:39:34 <gpmnlxdw> But how to get the transactions' pubkey? not the address's pubke
1267 2014-02-20 14:39:48 <gpmnlxdw> # Create the spend-from-multisig transaction. Since the fund-the-multisig transaction
1268 2014-02-20 14:39:48 <gpmnlxdw> # hasn't been sent yet, I need to give txid, scriptPubKey and redeemScript:
1269 2014-02-20 14:39:48 <gpmnlxdw> ./bitcoind createrawtransaction '[{"txid":"3c9018e8d5615c306d72397f8f5eef44308c98fb576a88e030c25456b4f3a7ac","vout":0,"scriptPubKey":"a914f815b036d9bbbce5e9f2a00abd1bf3dc91e9551087","redeemScript":"52410491bba2510912a5bd37da1fb5b1673010e43d2c6d812c514e91bfa9f2eb129e1c183329db55bd868e209aac2fbc02cb33d98fe74bf23f0c235d6126b1d8334f864104865c40293a680cb9c020e7b1e106d8c1916d3cef99aa431a56d253e69256dac09ef122b1a986818a7cb624532f062c1d1f8722084861c5c329
1270 2014-02-20 14:39:48 <gpmnlxdw> 1ccffef4ec687441048d2455d2403e08708fc1f556002f1b6cd83f992d085097f9974ab08a28838f07896fbab08f39495e15fa6fad6edbfb1e754e35fa1c7844c41f322a1863d4621353ae"}]' '{"1GtpSrGhRGY5kkrNz4RykoqRQoJuG2L6DS":0.01}'
1271 2014-02-20 14:40:01 <gpmnlxdw> Gavin note that,
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1283 2014-02-20 14:42:05 <gpmnlxdw> And the difficulty is that I suppose I'm the mediator, not the funds input
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1314 2014-02-20 14:56:41 <stonecoldpat> guys, out of interest - are most tools to analyze the blockchain (e.g. count no of transactions that have sent 1 BTC) home grown? or is there a project out there a group of people are working on?
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1345 2014-02-20 15:17:52 <wallet42> btc.ondn.net/search
1346 2014-02-20 15:17:58 <wallet42> stonecoldpat: btc.ondn.net/search
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1348 2014-02-20 15:18:20 <wallet42> also: https://github.com/znort987/blockparser, is extenable
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1350 2014-02-20 15:19:16 <gmaxwell> sipa: any preference for numbers?
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1354 2014-02-20 15:26:33 <gmaxwell> sipa: 62 assigned.
1355 2014-02-20 15:28:09 <sipa> i think we should also outlaw OP_CODESEPARATOR in blocks with version 3
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1357 2014-02-20 15:28:17 <sipa> gmaxwell: thanks
1358 2014-02-20 15:29:09 <gavinandresen> sipa: ACK, OP_CODESEPARATOR needs to go away
1359 2014-02-20 15:29:40 <gmaxwell> my little brain can't manage to retain what it does. This is probably not a good sign. (not sure if its not a good sign for my brain, or for the opcode)
1360 2014-02-20 15:29:55 <kjj> heh.  I was just going to say that it is a headscratcher
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1362 2014-02-20 15:32:23 <sipa> i wonder whether we should also outlaw including signatures in scriptPubKeys
1363 2014-02-20 15:33:54 <helo> outlaw - make non-standard?
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1367 2014-02-20 15:36:16 <stonecoldpat> why would you include a signature in a scriptpubkey? (its normally in the scriptSig)
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1370 2014-02-20 15:37:54 <gmaxwell> sipa: p2sh only. :P  /me ducks
1371 2014-02-20 15:38:24 <sipa> helo: make illegal
1372 2014-02-20 15:38:44 <kjj> like jail illegal
1373 2014-02-20 15:38:59 <gpmnlxdw> hi guys, what is error -22? I got such error when I send transaction out -----> error: {"code":-22,"message":"TX rejected"}
1374 2014-02-20 15:38:59 <sipa> worse... like block chain forking illegal
1375 2014-02-20 15:39:42 <gpmnlxdw> oooo, seems my funds not enough
1376 2014-02-20 15:39:59 <kjj> gpmnlxdw: it means the transaction was rejected.  yoru logs may have some hints.  failing to meet relay standards is one way to be rejected. using unknown inputs is another.
1377 2014-02-20 15:40:19 <gpmnlxdw> ok, thank you!
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1385 2014-02-20 15:47:06 <gmaxwell> with jail you can get a conviction overturned... :)
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1391 2014-02-20 15:59:01 <BTC_Bear> gm you are one dedicated developer. Shouldn't you be kicking back drinking Mai Tai's ?
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1395 2014-02-20 16:06:05 <maaku> why do people have this persisting image that core development is insanely profitable?
1396 2014-02-20 16:06:40 <jgarzik_> yeah really
1397 2014-02-20 16:06:54 <jgarzik_> unpaid volunteer development pays zip
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1399 2014-02-20 16:07:10 <jgarzik_> no donations, because everybody assumes you're rich
1400 2014-02-20 16:07:54 <sipa> i think all my BTC donations together ever, at current exchange rate, may be 2 months wage :)
1401 2014-02-20 16:08:16 <jgarzik_> ditto
1402 2014-02-20 16:08:18 <BTC_Bear> jgarzik_: Do you want a donation?
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1405 2014-02-20 16:08:43 <sipa> (i'm not complaining, i usually tell people i don't need donations either; i don
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1408 2014-02-20 16:09:24 <jgarzik_> BTC_Bear, sure I take free money :)   most core devs have donation addresses, it's more like a free-beer tip thing usually
1409 2014-02-20 16:09:44 <BTC_Bear> Well anyways, your doing good work... keep it up. Besides BIP 16 :)
1410 2014-02-20 16:10:05 <jgarzik_> or for signing things.  e.g. John Dillon has created a couple multisig rewards redeemable by my signature from my donation address 1BrufViLKnSWtuWGkryPsKsxonV2NQ7Tcj or gmaxwell's donation address 1gmaxwell... etc.
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1412 2014-02-20 16:10:47 <BTC_Bear> I'll be giving GM some BTC for some upcoming Libertarian elections, I presume.
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1420 2014-02-20 16:17:18 <maaku> jgarzik_: that's awkward ;)
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1424 2014-02-20 16:18:45 <jgarzik_> maaku, yeah, getting involuntarily drafted into a multisig is not my idea of fun
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1439 2014-02-20 16:26:08 <gmaxwell> it's like a 3 of 5 or something with all the keys he could find, and some I don't reconize.
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1462 2014-02-20 16:42:38 <alex_fun> heya
1463 2014-02-20 16:43:00 <alex_fun> whats the easiest way to extrapolate difficulty from total hashrate?
1464 2014-02-20 16:43:22 <alex_fun> to see if totalhash info is accurate :D
1465 2014-02-20 16:43:44 <kjj> easiest?  bitcoind getinfo | grep difficulty
1466 2014-02-20 16:43:52 <alex_fun> yes I know
1467 2014-02-20 16:43:58 <alex_fun> but some fun math way?
1468 2014-02-20 16:44:30 <alex_fun> for example it takes x hash to solve 1 block, but how I can math calculate how much hash it takes?
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1471 2014-02-20 16:45:55 <kjj> well, you can divide the hashrate by 7158388.055, if you feel you must
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1473 2014-02-20 16:46:09 <flound1129> current difficulty is the avg number of diff 1 shares it takes to solve a block~
1474 2014-02-20 16:46:24 <stonecoldpat> as far as im aware, it gets ^2 as hard for every zero is required in the hash output, so 00asdjadjasjd is ^2 more difficult than 0asdjasdasd
1475 2014-02-20 16:46:59 <kjj> *2, not ^2
1476 2014-02-20 16:47:01 <stonecoldpat> or it could be based on the binary of the hash representation, i remember hearing something along those lines a while ago
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1478 2014-02-20 16:47:20 <kjj> the zeros thing is an analogy to help people get started
1479 2014-02-20 16:47:41 <alex_fun> current difficulty is the avg number of diff 1 shares it takes to solve a block = yep
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1481 2014-02-20 16:47:44 <kjj> the network has a target, which is a 256-bit scalar (calculated from a polynomial, but whatever)
1482 2014-02-20 16:48:02 <alex_fun> diff 1 means diff 1 or 0.00026?
1483 2014-02-20 16:48:18 <alex_fun> as I recall initially diff may well not be 1
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1485 2014-02-20 16:48:44 <kjj> if the hash is below the target, it is valid.  if over, it is not.  the polynomial is recalculated every 2016 blocks, using the interval of the last 2015 blocks
1486 2014-02-20 16:48:54 <alex_fun> yes thats easy
1487 2014-02-20 16:49:16 <alex_fun> I wonder how i can calculate on paper or in excel how many hashes it takes to solve 1 block at diff 1
1488 2014-02-20 16:49:33 <kjj> a side effect is that small numbers start with zero bits, but the bits aren't important, only the value of the integer as a whole
1489 2014-02-20 16:49:39 <alex_fun> going to peak in source code :)
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1491 2014-02-20 16:50:54 <shaileshg> Hi, what does -walletnotify=<cmd> do? Wiki says: It executes command when a wallet transaction changes
1492 2014-02-20 16:50:54 <sipa> alex_fun: 1 difficulty requires (2^256 / max_target) hashes
1493 2014-02-20 16:51:07 <shaileshg> what does wallet transaction means here?
1494 2014-02-20 16:51:15 <sipa> shaileshg: a transaction in your wallet
1495 2014-02-20 16:51:41 <shaileshg> sipa: is there any tool to see what all there is in my wallet
1496 2014-02-20 16:51:46 <kjj> the target for difficulty 1 is (very approximately) 2^256/2^32.  because hashes are more-or-less randomly distributed, that divisor is also roughly the number of hashes you should expect to need to do* to find a valid hash
1497 2014-02-20 16:51:51 <sipa> shaileshg: listtransactions ?
1498 2014-02-20 16:52:47 <alex_fun> sipa and max target is 256 digit long decimal nr? or whats the max target value in decimal sys?
1499 2014-02-20 16:52:51 <shaileshg> i want to see keypairs, default and reserve keys and key pool etc
1500 2014-02-20 16:53:05 <shaileshg> sipa: so listtransactions won't serve my purpose
1501 2014-02-20 16:53:12 <sipa> shaileshg: db4.8_dump
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1503 2014-02-20 16:54:04 <shaileshg> sipa: its not under /testnet3/
1504 2014-02-20 16:54:10 <kjj> shaileshg: "when a wallet transaction changes" means when it is created or first seen, and/or when it appears in a block for the first time
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1506 2014-02-20 16:54:42 <shaileshg> where to look for db4.8_dump?
1507 2014-02-20 16:55:02 <kjj> google
1508 2014-02-20 16:55:16 <sipa> shaileshg: /usr/bin
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1510 2014-02-20 16:55:42 <sipa> (no idea on non-unix systems)
1511 2014-02-20 16:56:37 <shaileshg> kjj: i thought its bitcoind generated file.. didn't knew its unix feature
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1513 2014-02-20 16:57:12 <sipa> bitcoin wallet files are Berkeley DB files
1514 2014-02-20 16:57:24 <sipa> so you can use standard BDB tools to inspect them
1515 2014-02-20 16:57:31 <kjj> it is part of the BDB package.  it is also less useful than you'd hope
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1521 2014-02-20 16:59:41 <kjj> there are two reasons to muck around in your wallet.dat using BDB tools.  One, you have a pathological desire to understand how the reference client operates.  two, you are trying to recover from a crash and aren't familiar with pywallet.
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1523 2014-02-20 17:00:12 <kjj> If one, welcome to the club.  If two, good luck.  If three, yer gonna get burned.
1524 2014-02-20 17:00:38 <shaileshg> kjj: its one
1525 2014-02-20 17:02:11 <home_jg> or gavinandresen's bitcointools
1526 2014-02-20 17:02:17 <home_jg> which directly interacts with the BDB wallet
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1530 2014-02-20 17:04:26 <shaileshg> sipa: it doesn't work on mac?
1531 2014-02-20 17:04:31 <shaileshg> looking for other BDB tool
1532 2014-02-20 17:04:45 <sipa> shaileshg: i'm sure it exists for mac, but you'll somehow have to install it or build it
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1535 2014-02-20 17:07:03 <phillipsjk> I am having trouble building pkg-config because it can not find glib after I installed it and used pkgconf to set the GLIB_CFLAGS and GLIB_LIBS environment variables
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1546 2014-02-20 17:11:41 <stonecoldpat> In the input of a transaction - when you have <sig> and <public key> - i know the signature is produced using ecdsa, but what is actually signed? From what I can tell - it a hash sha256(output) of the previous transaction, but what part of the output is it? is it the scriptpubkey? or the id of the previous transaction?
1547 2014-02-20 17:12:16 <stonecoldpat> so sign(sha256(what is hashed)) - ive been reading http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1139081/BitcoinImg/OpCheckSigDiagram.png but its blown my mind a bit
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1551 2014-02-20 17:14:29 <shaileshg> sipa: its db_dump for mac
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1554 2014-02-20 17:14:42 <gavinandresen> stonecoldpat: see https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/OP_CHECKSIG   .  Questions like that are best asked at bitcoin.stackexchange.com
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1559 2014-02-20 17:20:17 <stonecoldpat> ill have a read of that, thanks gavin
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1564 2014-02-20 17:23:38 <phillipsjk> building with pkg-config --with-internal-glib aslo fail, complaining about "No iconv() implementation found in C library or libiconv" -- even after installing libiconv
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1567 2014-02-20 17:28:11 <phillipsjk> hmm, running ldconfig seemed to fix it.
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1575 2014-02-20 17:33:58 <JackH> guys, it looks like the Bitcoin-Qt client was affected by the latest exploit in the ASUS routers. The download of blocks was very very slow
1576 2014-02-20 17:34:26 <JackH> as in very slow/non existent almost (2+ min PER block to download)
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1578 2014-02-20 17:34:48 <JackH> dont know if there is anything in specific that affects the block download speed?
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1580 2014-02-20 17:35:24 <sipa> JackH: connect to a single fast peer directly
1581 2014-02-20 17:35:33 <sipa> if that helps, it likely has nothing to do with your router
1582 2014-02-20 17:35:45 <JackH> well what helped was to upgrade my router firmware
1583 2014-02-20 17:35:54 <JackH> now the download is 1 block per sec, as I was usually getting
1584 2014-02-20 17:35:56 <sipa> i think that's very unlikely
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1586 2014-02-20 17:36:14 <sipa> the client just gets confused sometimes, or temporarily fetches from a slow peer
1587 2014-02-20 17:36:21 <JackH> I am telling you, the very same second the firmware upgrade was done, Bitcoin-Qt started to download at super speeds again
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1589 2014-02-20 17:36:31 <JackH> yeah but I waited 5 hours with slow downloads
1590 2014-02-20 17:36:34 <JackH> then upgraded
1591 2014-02-20 17:36:35 <JackH> and BAM
1592 2014-02-20 17:36:37 <JackH> back to normal
1593 2014-02-20 17:36:55 <sipa> did you try restarting during those 5 hours?
1594 2014-02-20 17:36:59 <JackH> nope
1595 2014-02-20 17:37:02 <JackH> well Qt yes
1596 2014-02-20 17:37:04 <sipa> that explains it :)
1597 2014-02-20 17:37:04 <JackH> the computer no
1598 2014-02-20 17:37:08 <sipa> ah
1599 2014-02-20 17:37:26 <JackH> but I also did not restart qt while I did firmware upgrade
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1601 2014-02-20 17:37:32 <JackH> it just started working
1602 2014-02-20 17:37:33 <sipa> oh
1603 2014-02-20 17:37:47 <JackH> I could hear the fan of my comp going into overdrive as usually when downloading blocks
1604 2014-02-20 17:37:48 <sipa> but the connection probably broke, and it reconnected
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1606 2014-02-20 17:37:51 <JackH> then I checked qt
1607 2014-02-20 17:37:56 <sipa> that's enough to restart the sync mechanism
1608 2014-02-20 17:37:57 <JackH> and then I saw it was working again
1609 2014-02-20 17:38:07 <JackH> but I did that manually alot of times
1610 2014-02-20 17:38:13 <sipa> ok
1611 2014-02-20 17:38:15 <sipa> hmm
1612 2014-02-20 17:38:17 <sipa> ok, interesting
1613 2014-02-20 17:38:27 <JackH> thats why I am asking what affects block download speed in general
1614 2014-02-20 17:38:42 <JackH> if this ASUS exploit thing does "something" that would affect it
1615 2014-02-20 17:38:54 <sipa> would have been nice to see you test connecting to a single fast peer without patching
1616 2014-02-20 17:39:07 <JackH> http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/02/dear-asus-router-user-youve-been-pwned-thanks-to-easily-exploited-flaw/
1617 2014-02-20 17:39:13 <JackH> yeah
1618 2014-02-20 17:39:19 <JackH> there is no log file in qt I can show you?
1619 2014-02-20 17:39:25 <JackH> from the past 12h or so?
1620 2014-02-20 17:40:44 <sipa> well the only thing the client does is "ok, what blocks do you know of after X?" - "these blocks: <hash> <hash> <hash>" - "ok, send me <hash> <hash> <hash>" - "here is <block> <block> <block>"
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1623 2014-02-20 17:40:53 <sipa> you won't see anything useful in debug.log
1624 2014-02-20 17:41:01 <sipa> just blocks that arrive slowly
1625 2014-02-20 17:41:03 <JackH> hmm yeah ok, that wont help
1626 2014-02-20 17:41:13 <JackH> funny thing is everything else was working fine
1627 2014-02-20 17:41:16 <JackH> youtube music
1628 2014-02-20 17:41:19 <JackH> browsing
1629 2014-02-20 17:41:21 <JackH> email client
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1631 2014-02-20 17:41:22 <JackH> all of it
1632 2014-02-20 17:41:26 <JackH> but bitcoin
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1635 2014-02-20 17:41:44 <JackH> and voila, now I am synched up :)
1636 2014-02-20 17:41:57 <JackH> took pretty much since I just joined this room again
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1638 2014-02-20 17:42:25 <phillipsjk> So I build and install pkg-config, and suddenly, the bitcoin configure script complains OpenSSL is missing :P
1639 2014-02-20 17:42:43 <sipa> JackH: i still think you were just hitting a slow peer :)
1640 2014-02-20 17:43:22 <JackH> not if I had bitcoin-qt open all the time
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1642 2014-02-20 17:43:31 <sipa> ?
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1644 2014-02-20 17:43:37 <JackH> and I had rebooted 3 times before the firmaware update
1645 2014-02-20 17:43:50 <sipa> that is strange yes
1646 2014-02-20 17:43:58 <JackH> why should the first 3 time, for 5+ hours be excruciating slow and then all the sudden after firmware upgrade all goes back to normal
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1648 2014-02-20 17:44:22 <JackH> bah, the whole internet is one big chaos and mess
1649 2014-02-20 17:44:28 <JackH> the warroom of todays world
1650 2014-02-20 17:44:31 <robonerd> didn't used to be
1651 2014-02-20 17:44:33 <JackH> keyboard warriors
1652 2014-02-20 17:44:42 <robonerd> left-handed keyboard warriors
1653 2014-02-20 17:44:53 <JackH> still annoying ;)
1654 2014-02-20 17:45:16 <JackH> to be honest, the typical computer user today is skrewed to put it midly
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1656 2014-02-20 17:45:24 <robonerd> yes, today
1657 2014-02-20 17:45:25 <sipa> JackH: absolutely
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1659 2014-02-20 17:45:27 <robonerd> didn't used to be this wya
1660 2014-02-20 17:45:35 <JackH> well that is long long ago mate
1661 2014-02-20 17:45:43 <JackH> before everyone had a kit of the latest hacker tools
1662 2014-02-20 17:46:03 <sipa> JackH: it means typical computer users are less likely to run a full node... and that is very sad indeed
1663 2014-02-20 17:46:34 <JackH> yeah bitcoin is not how it was to be honest
1664 2014-02-20 17:46:39 <JackH> it was easy getting them, easy selling them
1665 2014-02-20 17:46:48 <JackH> today its actually harder cos of the regulatory clampdown
1666 2014-02-20 17:46:56 <JackH> I remember I got 1BTC from Gavins faucet
1667 2014-02-20 17:47:01 <sipa> that has little to do with technical development :)
1668 2014-02-20 17:47:08 <JackH> true
1669 2014-02-20 17:47:09 <wallet42> how likley is it that a block has more than 65k transactions in the near future?
1670 2014-02-20 17:47:16 <sipa> wallet42: 0
1671 2014-02-20 17:47:34 <sipa> only about 4000 transactions fit in a block
1672 2014-02-20 17:48:11 <JackH> didnt you guys have plans to make local transactions off-chain happening?
1673 2014-02-20 17:48:20 <wallet42> sipa: i know. this is the case right now. and i think a block increase may happen to 10MB. 100MB very unlikly.
1674 2014-02-20 17:48:55 <sipa> JackH: i think you should have plans for that, not us :)
1675 2014-02-20 17:49:04 <sipa> JackH: off-chain == not bitcoin transactions
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1677 2014-02-20 17:49:10 <wallet42> sipa: and my datamodel is 8 bytes identifyer for a txout. [4-bytes block height][2 bytes txindex][2 bytes output index]
1678 2014-02-20 17:49:11 <JackH> lol true
1679 2014-02-20 17:49:19 <sipa> wallet42: what do you mean by near future?
1680 2014-02-20 17:49:27 <wallet42> like 2 weeks
1681 2014-02-20 17:49:36 <wallet42> jk, 4-8 years
1682 2014-02-20 17:49:37 <shaileshg> i successfully openend wallet.dat using db_dump, but I am getting "unexpected file type or format" + "Invalid argument" error while opening blk*****.dat file
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1684 2014-02-20 17:49:52 <sipa> shaileshg: the blk*.dat files are just concatenated bitcoin blocks
1685 2014-02-20 17:49:56 <sipa> not database files
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1688 2014-02-20 17:50:27 <shaileshg> sipa: why do they have .dat extension?
1689 2014-02-20 17:50:40 <sipa> why not?
1690 2014-02-20 17:50:49 <wallet42> sipa: what to you think
1691 2014-02-20 17:51:07 <sipa> wallet42: within 4-8 years, i think 10-100 MB is possible :)
1692 2014-02-20 17:51:10 <shaileshg> I don't know. I thought .dat files are bd file format to databases
1693 2014-02-20 17:51:19 <shaileshg> *for
1694 2014-02-20 17:51:20 <sipa> shaileshg: .dat really just means "some data"
1695 2014-02-20 17:51:27 <shaileshg> ohkay
1696 2014-02-20 17:51:30 <sipa> it's not specifically referring to bdb files
1697 2014-02-20 17:51:36 <shaileshg> hmm
1698 2014-02-20 17:51:38 <sipa> the real reason for using .dat is historical
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1700 2014-02-20 17:51:44 <sipa> satoshi used .dat for everything too
1701 2014-02-20 17:51:54 <shaileshg> hmm
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1704 2014-02-20 17:52:23 <shaileshg> is there any command line tool to open blk*.dat files
1705 2014-02-20 17:52:33 <wallet42> shailshg: cat
1706 2014-02-20 17:52:38 <shaileshg> wallet42: k
1707 2014-02-20 17:52:51 <wallet42> shaileshg: what do you want to do?
1708 2014-02-20 17:53:24 <wallet42> there is blockparser if you want to get basic stats, its on gh, and has callbacks if you want to implement your own
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1710 2014-02-20 17:53:37 <shaileshg> wallet42: gh?
1711 2014-02-20 17:53:41 <wallet42> github
1712 2014-02-20 17:54:09 <shaileshg> hmm.. i wanted to run some basic map-reduce task on blockchain / blocks
1713 2014-02-20 17:54:35 <wallet42> if you like C go with blockparser
1714 2014-02-20 17:54:45 <sipa> realize that the blocks in blk*.dat files may be  a) incomplete  b) invalid  c) not in the main chain
1715 2014-02-20 17:54:46 <wallet42> if you like python checkout richardkiss/pycoin
1716 2014-02-20 17:54:46 <phillipsjk> Has anybody else been able to build Bitcoin on freeBSD? with ./configure no longer seeing openssl, I am about to give up. (before installing pkg-config, I was only getting errors at the "make" step)
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1718 2014-02-20 17:55:20 <wallet42> yes, sipa ist right, you should use some bootstrap.dat
1719 2014-02-20 17:55:45 <wallet42> it does not contain the very newest block tou
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1722 2014-02-20 17:56:28 <shaileshg> wallet42: Uh? bootstrap.dat?
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1724 2014-02-20 17:56:40 <wallet42> i just downloaded bootstrap.dat via torrent on a server of mine… 640MBit/s 3 minutes. why cant end user have connections like that :((
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1727 2014-02-20 17:56:55 <shaileshg> wallet42: oh
1728 2014-02-20 17:56:56 <wallet42> shaileshg: its a lineraized version of blocks
1729 2014-02-20 17:56:56 <shaileshg> got it
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1732 2014-02-20 17:57:27 <shaileshg> would try pycoin though :)
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1734 2014-02-20 17:58:17 <wallet42> i d love to see an extendable "port" of blockparser.c based on pycoin.py
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1736 2014-02-20 18:00:33 <shaileshg> sipa: in which cases blocks would be a) incomplete  b) invalid. Also, if I am correct, not being in main chain is because two different miners mined two blocks at nearly the same time, but only one got further elongated leaving other orphaned? (add if there is any other reason for it to be not in the main chain)
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1743 2014-02-20 18:02:24 <sipa> shaileshg: if your client crashes in the middle of writing a block, there may be a partial block in that file... it's append only
1744 2014-02-20 18:02:46 <sipa> shaileshg: and blocks are stored as soon as they are connectable to the genesis block (so all their parents are known)
1745 2014-02-20 18:02:53 <sipa> shaileshg: they're only validated afterwards
1746 2014-02-20 18:02:59 <sipa> so you could have invalid blocks
1747 2014-02-20 18:04:27 <shaileshg> sipa: hmm..
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1749 2014-02-20 18:04:56 <wallet42> use bootstrap.dat for the first blocks and query bitcoind via rpc for the newest ones
1750 2014-02-20 18:05:14 <shaileshg> wallet42: yeah. was thinking the same
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1752 2014-02-20 18:05:45 <wallet42> you may use linearize.py (contrib) for creating bootstrap2.dat which starts right after bootstrap.dat latest block
1753 2014-02-20 18:05:52 <wallet42> so you still have file access
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1757 2014-02-20 18:10:45 <phillipsjk> the pkg-config autogen script no longer finds glib either :P
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1769 2014-02-20 18:19:14 <phillipsjk> well uninstalling pkg-config worked.
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1771 2014-02-20 18:20:06 <phillipsjk> back to "make: don't know how to make am--refresh. Stop" on "make"
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1773 2014-02-20 18:21:35 <phillipsjk> autogen.sh gave to following warings (x5): "configure.ac:681: warning: 'INCLUDES' is the old name for 'AM_CPPFLAGS' (or '*_CPPFLAGS')"
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1775 2014-02-20 18:21:47 <jupiterfunk> What is the theoretical maximum number of transaction inputs and outputs?
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1793 2014-02-20 18:33:10 <shaileshg> wallet42: .sst files are index files for 1) keeping track of UTXO in chainstate 2) blocks in blocks/index ?
1794 2014-02-20 18:33:32 <wallet42> shaileshg: idk
1795 2014-02-20 18:34:27 <shaileshg> sipa: ^
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1798 2014-02-20 18:35:33 <nsh> jupiterfunk, transactions are bounded by total length. since 0.8.2 tx over 100kb is non-standard
1799 2014-02-20 18:35:57 <shaileshg> how do wallet service providers work? do they maintain different wallet.dat for each user?
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1801 2014-02-20 18:36:51 <heeventuli> shaileshg: unlikely, i guess they'll have one wallet with multiple accounts
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1805 2014-02-20 18:37:37 <shaileshg> heeventuli: wallet contains transactions done from/to your addresses, keypairs for each of your addresses etc
1806 2014-02-20 18:38:25 <heeventuli> yea. so?
1807 2014-02-20 18:38:41 <shaileshg> in that case, are you saying addresses will be tied up to accounts and everything else will be in common wallet.dat file?
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1809 2014-02-20 18:39:12 <_syslog> why rpc call setaccount <addr><accountname>  sets account for address and creates another address ?
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1811 2014-02-20 18:40:00 <shaileshg> _syslog: it does so only if account has existing addr
1812 2014-02-20 18:40:06 <shaileshg> *already has
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1815 2014-02-20 18:40:28 <shaileshg> heeventuli: ?
1816 2014-02-20 18:40:38 <heeventuli> shaileshg: yes. call getnewaddress(account) will create an address for the user, bound to account
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1818 2014-02-20 18:40:58 <heeventuli> or am i missing something? o_O see no problem ^^
1819 2014-02-20 18:41:01 <shaileshg> Oh. Okay.
1820 2014-02-20 18:41:14 <_syslog> shaileshg: then how can i set set main ( first created ) address  a account ?
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1822 2014-02-20 18:41:53 <_syslog> setaccount <FirstCreatedAddress> <thisLabel>
1823 2014-02-20 18:42:02 <_syslog> this causes another address creation.
1824 2014-02-20 18:42:39 <_syslog> * first address mean the address which wallet gived by wallet after first installation.
1825 2014-02-20 18:42:53 <Luke-Jr> shaileshg: transactions are never from addresses
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1827 2014-02-20 18:43:46 <shaileshg> _syslog: it should not unless I am missing something.
1828 2014-02-20 18:43:53 <shaileshg> Luke-Jr: ?
1829 2014-02-20 18:44:01 <_syslog> weirdly it does  :/
1830 2014-02-20 18:44:02 <Luke-Jr> shaileshg: addresses only receive, never send
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1832 2014-02-20 18:45:08 <shaileshg> Luke-Jr: then what does it mean when bitcoin-qt Addresses tab says "Bitcoin addresses for sending payments"
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1835 2014-02-20 18:45:26 <JackH> can anyone see if this transaction should have arrived in my wallet by now? https://blockchain.info/address/1KQTRJkJ8JQBDpMopf2PUJwFRt8s5qpqTs?sort=0
1836 2014-02-20 18:45:31 <JackH> cos I cant see anything yet
1837 2014-02-20 18:45:39 <shaileshg> and more importantly.. what sends transactions?
1838 2014-02-20 18:46:19 <Luke-Jr> shaileshg: those are addresses you can send to (or more often, have sent to).
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1840 2014-02-20 18:46:30 <Luke-Jr> shaileshg: wallets send transactions
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1842 2014-02-20 18:47:41 <JackH> something is very wrong with my bitcoin-qt client
1843 2014-02-20 18:47:50 <JackH> I am not receiving my bitcoins and my sync is completely busted
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1845 2014-02-20 18:48:08 <shaileshg> Luke-Jr: hmm. And if you are running wallet provider service.. do you store all user's keys and transactions in single wallet or do you manage different wallet for each user
1846 2014-02-20 18:48:09 <shaileshg> ?
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1849 2014-02-20 18:48:33 <Luke-Jr> shaileshg: any sane service would have at least 3 wallets shared by all users
1850 2014-02-20 18:49:09 <btiefert> I have new demographic information what peers my bitcoin node has seen if anyone is interested.  Top two are BitCoinJ at 895 unique I.P's and Satoshi at 632 uniques.
1851 2014-02-20 18:49:24 <shaileshg> Luke-Jr: redundancy mode?
1852 2014-02-20 18:49:42 <Luke-Jr> shaileshg: security
1853 2014-02-20 18:50:13 <shaileshg> but only 1 in live and rest 2 in cold storage?
1854 2014-02-20 18:50:16 <Luke-Jr> yes
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1856 2014-02-20 18:50:37 <Luke-Jr> 1 hot-wallet, 1 cold-wallet, and 1 long term storage
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1858 2014-02-20 18:50:40 <Luke-Jr> ideally all with multisig
1859 2014-02-20 18:51:42 <shaileshg> yeah. But all users' info in single wallet (3 copies) which is because bitcoind can talk to only 1 wallet at a time?
1860 2014-02-20 18:52:28 <kjj> stop thinking of users having info in the wallet.  they don't, but you do.  user data goes in your database
1861 2014-02-20 18:52:50 <shaileshg> kjj: *keys
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1863 2014-02-20 18:53:08 <btiefert> I would be paranoid about employee theft without sig.
1864 2014-02-20 18:53:16 <phillipsjk> I tried all the dependencies listed here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=bitcoin-daemon&stype=all&sektion=all --still no luck.
1865 2014-02-20 18:53:22 <shaileshg> my bad for using info when i meant keys
1866 2014-02-20 18:53:24 <kjj> users don't have keys either.  you have keys.  you generate them somewhere, and put the address in your database
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1869 2014-02-20 18:53:41 <kjj> you give your users addresses, but you keep the keys
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1871 2014-02-20 18:54:01 <andytoshi> i wonder if there are any services which actually receive funds to multisig addresses
1872 2014-02-20 18:54:07 <Luke-Jr> I never said 3 copies.
1873 2014-02-20 18:54:08 <Luke-Jr> also, you wouldn't be using bitcoind for this.
1874 2014-02-20 18:54:10 <andytoshi> and then require an audit bot to sign and record every transaction..
1875 2014-02-20 18:54:23 <kjj> on an ongoing basis?  I can't think of any.  but I've been known to use multisig here and there
1876 2014-02-20 18:55:41 <kjj> are there any public gateways that allow random internet traffic to hit a tor hidden service?
1877 2014-02-20 18:56:28 <jgarzik> andytoshi, Similar to that described in the P2SH Safe Addresses proposal?   Bitcoin is a distributed consensus network that maintains a secure and trusted distributed ledger through a process called “proof-of-work.”
1878 2014-02-20 18:56:34 <jgarzik> er
1879 2014-02-20 18:56:47 <jgarzik> andytoshi, Similar to that described in the P2SH Safe Addresses proposal?   https://www.belshe.com/2013/12/15/p2sh-safe-addresses/
1880 2014-02-20 18:56:51 <andytoshi> lol
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1882 2014-02-20 18:57:27 <jgarzik> Sorry, was pasting a lol-worthy tech snippet from someone who should know better
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1884 2014-02-20 18:57:47 * phillipsjk is not even sure what a "slave port" is.
1885 2014-02-20 18:57:55 <jgarzik> I really want someone to run a bot or service, that signs 2-of-3 TX's
1886 2014-02-20 18:58:11 <ryan-c> jgarzik: I saw one a few weeks ago.
1887 2014-02-20 18:58:29 <kjj> jgarzik: that's why I'm asking about tor
1888 2014-02-20 18:58:30 <jgarzik> first key in your wallet, second key in your safe offsite, and third key at service requiring 2FA and other details (such as a delay, if fund movement is large, etc.)
1889 2014-02-20 18:58:36 <ryan-c> You could define a robosigning policy.
1890 2014-02-20 18:58:41 <jgarzik> yep
1891 2014-02-20 18:59:01 <kjj> basically, I refuse to host any bitcoin utilities on boxes that I care about.
1892 2014-02-20 18:59:04 <jgarzik> kjj, I heard from TD that Tor and PGP are finally growing libs... meaning they are finally becoming usable in real apps
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1895 2014-02-20 18:59:24 <jgarzik> rather than having to cart around a binary built by others
1896 2014-02-20 18:59:45 <JackH> is anyone else having big problems synching up with the network? my client keeps loosing out and is constantly 1-3 blocks behind
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1898 2014-02-20 18:59:55 <JackH> and it stalls
1899 2014-02-20 19:00:04 <JackH> as if it cannot connect to get the blocks
1900 2014-02-20 19:00:32 <kjj> get better peers?
1901 2014-02-20 19:00:44 <JackH> I have rebooted like 10 times
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1903 2014-02-20 19:01:08 <kjj> are you stuck on one particular block, or is it a sliding window?
1904 2014-02-20 19:01:26 <JackH> right now 286913
1905 2014-02-20 19:01:34 <JackH> out of 286917
1906 2014-02-20 19:01:46 <JackH> 14!
1907 2014-02-20 19:01:49 <JackH> got one more
1908 2014-02-20 19:02:03 <jgarzik> JackH, hardware setup: cpu? available RAM? disk setup?
1909 2014-02-20 19:02:04 <kjj> heh.  286920
1910 2014-02-20 19:02:09 <JackH> but this is....I mean, I been using bitcoin since 2011. this was never a problem
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1912 2014-02-20 19:02:19 <jgarzik> JackH, also, client version?
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1914 2014-02-20 19:02:21 <JackH> and I have 12 connections
1915 2014-02-20 19:02:29 <JackH> sec, jgarzik
1916 2014-02-20 19:02:36 <jgarzik> Let me guess... you are using 0.7 on a VPS with 256 MB of RAM.
1917 2014-02-20 19:02:39 <JackH> v0.8.6.0-g03a7d67-beta
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1919 2014-02-20 19:03:00 <JackH> RAM, like 5.7 GiB
1920 2014-02-20 19:03:06 <JackH> Intel® Core™ i3-2330M CPU @ 2.20GHz × 4
1921 2014-02-20 19:03:10 <JackH> 375.5 GiB
1922 2014-02-20 19:03:13 <JackH> Ubuntu 12.04
1923 2014-02-20 19:03:25 <ryan-c> did anyone else see that site? They'd let you set up either a 2-of-2 or 2-of-3 for which they had the private and you set up a policy and sent them partially signed txs over some api.
1924 2014-02-20 19:04:19 <JackH> it has behaved very odd all day
1925 2014-02-20 19:04:38 <jgarzik> JackH, your hardware can definitely handle the load.  available memory for bitcoin, on the box?  i.e. is it swapping due to other apps taking up RAM?
1926 2014-02-20 19:04:44 <jgarzik> JackH, what does top(1) say?
1927 2014-02-20 19:04:52 <JackH> top1=
1928 2014-02-20 19:04:55 <JackH> top1?
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1930 2014-02-20 19:05:04 <jgarzik> JackH, top
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1933 2014-02-20 19:05:23 <jgarzik> JackH, The "(1)" refers to the Unix manual page section, where you will find documentation for top
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1935 2014-02-20 19:05:32 <kjj> nerd
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1937 2014-02-20 19:05:41 <JackH> memory usage is 25% of the total
1938 2014-02-20 19:05:54 <JackH> CPU's are all 4 on avarage 12%
1939 2014-02-20 19:06:04 <JackH> swap 0 bytes
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1942 2014-02-20 19:08:19 <JackH> now it says I am fully synched, but I only have up to 286914
1943 2014-02-20 19:08:30 <JackH> and some other guy mentioned 20
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1948 2014-02-20 19:10:38 <JackH> and now it figured out that its up to 21, and I am back in synch mode on 14
1949 2014-02-20 19:10:40 <njaard> when I connect by bitcoin protocol to bitcoind and send a "tx" command - I seem to need to wait a couple seconds to disconnect or bitcoind doesn't let me disconnect. Is there a way of knowing that I can disconnect and that bitcoind has accepted it?
1950 2014-02-20 19:12:36 <soheil> any idea when mtgox is gonna recover?
1951 2014-02-20 19:12:42 <njaard> I mean, or bitcoind doesn't accept my tx
1952 2014-02-20 19:13:04 <JackH> omg, now it says I am synched up, and I am still at 14
1953 2014-02-20 19:13:23 <JackH> this thingie is broken :/
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1955 2014-02-20 19:14:03 <kjj> the thingie doesn't know how many blocks there are, it uses the number of blocks the peers report
1956 2014-02-20 19:14:22 <JackH> but I remember this process used to be flawless
1957 2014-02-20 19:14:32 <JackH> as in, 6 months ago
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1959 2014-02-20 19:14:58 <JackH> if I cant run this off my laptop, it defies the purpose of the entire project
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1961 2014-02-20 19:15:37 <gavinandresen> JackH: please use a lightweight wallet.
1962 2014-02-20 19:15:47 <JackH> but I dont want to
1963 2014-02-20 19:15:53 <JackH> I want to use bitcoin-qt
1964 2014-02-20 19:15:53 <gavinandresen> okey dokey, then "patches welcome"
1965 2014-02-20 19:15:57 <JackH> I have done that since 2011
1966 2014-02-20 19:16:21 <JackH> is there anything wrong overall since this is happening?
1967 2014-02-20 19:16:23 <gavinandresen> if you can't help fix it, then you don't belong here. This is for discussion among people who can, you know, fix things.
1968 2014-02-20 19:16:25 <JackH> or is it isolated to me?
1969 2014-02-20 19:17:04 <andytoshi> JackH: it's isolated to you.
1970 2014-02-20 19:17:07 <JackH> well, I am looking for answers, to...well you guys, you know this better than any
1971 2014-02-20 19:18:05 <gavinandresen> Excuse me for being grumpy, but random people coming here and saying "it is slow for me on my system" isn't helpful.
1972 2014-02-20 19:18:54 <JackH> hey, I am the last person to come here and stomp down on this and play a blame game here. I am here purely out of curiosity to the problem and what can do done to solve it (beside manually selecting a good peer connection)
1973 2014-02-20 19:19:23 <gavinandresen> Restart.  If it is faster, then you had a slow peer.
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1975 2014-02-20 19:19:50 <gavinandresen> If it is still slow, then there is something about your system-- slow filesystem?  (you running over NFS or something silly?)  busy CPUs?  etc.
1976 2014-02-20 19:19:53 <JackH> Yes, done that 10+ times today. My connection is quite good as well, so its not that. I can only imagine we have alot of "rotten" peers out there
1977 2014-02-20 19:20:07 <JackH> nope, not my system for sure
1978 2014-02-20 19:20:13 <gavinandresen> okey dokey.
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1980 2014-02-20 19:20:18 <kjj> the minimum practical specs for running bitcoind have grown considerably, even if you are using the same version, the network is busier
1981 2014-02-20 19:20:59 <JackH> but we do agree this is down to a peer relaying data well enough or not, right?
1982 2014-02-20 19:21:28 <kjj> no, we have no idea.  checking that is a troubleshooting step
1983 2014-02-20 19:21:53 <kjj> also, dig through your logs.  is your node flip/flopping on a stuck block?
1984 2014-02-20 19:24:38 <Luke-Jr> kjj: *especially* if you're using the same version XD
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1986 2014-02-20 19:25:10 <kjj> my point was that the world is getting busier, not that the client was bloating
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1992 2014-02-20 19:27:38 <JackH> yes I agree on that
1993 2014-02-20 19:27:44 <JackH> rotten peers
1994 2014-02-20 19:27:48 <JackH> bad at relaying
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1997 2014-02-20 19:29:01 <sipa> shaileshg: .sst files are leveldb table files
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2000 2014-02-20 19:29:14 <sipa> shaileshg: we use leveldb for the utxo set and the block index
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2006 2014-02-20 19:32:14 <sipa> JackH: all your peers being sound sounds very unlijely
2007 2014-02-20 19:32:31 <wallet42> is there a leveldb cmdline?
2008 2014-02-20 19:32:39 <wallet42> or phpmyleveldb?
2009 2014-02-20 19:32:42 <sipa> no
2010 2014-02-20 19:33:14 <wallet42> sadpanda.jpg
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2033 2014-02-20 19:47:57 <_syslog> setaccount doesn't work as expected.
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2035 2014-02-20 19:48:37 <_syslog> it won't work even in the gt ınterface console.
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2039 2014-02-20 19:49:48 <_syslog> create empty wallet > Receive -> copy address -> use setaccount "ADDRESS_YOU_COPIED" "newlabel" this causes new account creation.
2040 2014-02-20 19:50:19 <_syslog> am i using this correctly ?
2041 2014-02-20 19:50:39 <Luke-Jr> probably not
2042 2014-02-20 19:50:53 <Luke-Jr> accounts are pretty much incompatible with Bitcoin-Qt
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2044 2014-02-20 19:51:12 <phillipsjk> OK, i just installed the pre-configured package. I really wanted to build myself so that I could minimize delays in  the case of updates.
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2049 2014-02-20 19:54:13 <_syslog> Luke-Jr: i also tried with rpc call still same result.
2050 2014-02-20 19:54:35 <_syslog> rpcall( setaccount <btc_addr> <account_name>
2051 2014-02-20 19:55:05 <Luke-Jr> _syslog: what do you expect it to do?
2052 2014-02-20 19:55:20 <_syslog> i want to set address into account.
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2054 2014-02-20 19:55:34 <_syslog> *already exists address  into account.
2055 2014-02-20 19:55:38 <Luke-Jr> English?
2056 2014-02-20 19:55:46 <sipa> that's what it should do
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2058 2014-02-20 19:56:01 <_syslog> sorry for english.
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2060 2014-02-20 19:56:22 <Luke-Jr> _syslog: it makes it so the bitcoins received on <address> are added to <account>
2061 2014-02-20 19:57:01 <_syslog> result is diffrent then expected, it sets address into account  and creates new account too.
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2063 2014-02-20 19:57:38 <_syslog> i only want to change first address ( the address, first time wallet opened  and account "" )
2064 2014-02-20 19:58:06 <_syslog> i'm using setacccount "mw25aCWeK3SuXbwgnQNMubrmvoZV3effGx" ACC1
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2066 2014-02-20 19:58:36 <_syslog> this should do set address to account nothing more, but it sets and created another address with labeled ""
2067 2014-02-20 19:58:58 <Luke-Jr> how do you know it does that?
2068 2014-02-20 19:59:23 <_syslog> because i'm also checking with wallet-qt interface
2069 2014-02-20 19:59:47 <Luke-Jr> sounds like a (very minor) bug
2070 2014-02-20 20:00:05 <Luke-Jr> you can just ignore the extra address
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2072 2014-02-20 20:01:21 <_syslog> well thats a problem because i need to call listaccounts  as you know listaccounts call return account name and balance.
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2074 2014-02-20 20:02:14 <_syslog> when i decode in php "" becomes an array key, and as you know php cannot have empty keys in array
2075 2014-02-20 20:02:49 <_syslog> so json decode makes key "" to _empty_ and the empty keys is more this ovverides account information, and i have to expect data loss..
2076 2014-02-20 20:04:14 <_syslog> for example: [ {account1: balance1}, {"":balance2,}, {"":balance3},  after decode operation this will looks like  [ account1:balance1, _empty_: balance2]
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2078 2014-02-20 20:04:35 <_syslog> and as you see balance 2 overried by balance3
2079 2014-02-20 20:04:48 <_syslog> *_empty_:balance3
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2083 2014-02-20 20:06:16 <_syslog> *sorry for bad translation, i hope you understand the problem.
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2088 2014-02-20 20:08:39 <muhoo> btw i reformatted that 2of3 thing to make it more readable (to me) in emacs: https://gist.github.com/kenrestivo/9066769
2089 2014-02-20 20:08:43 <_syslog> *ps: you can check the results by following this steps :
2090 2014-02-20 20:08:43 <_syslog> Open wallet -> Receive Tab -> Copy any address  -> goto debug console -> setaccount CopiedAddress "AnyLabel"
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2098 2014-02-20 20:14:05 <Luke-Jr> Can anyone explain the invisibility of https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pulls/2920 ?
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2100 2014-02-20 20:14:32 <lnovy> uh
2101 2014-02-20 20:14:54 <Luke-Jr> oh, github is getting picky about plurals
2102 2014-02-20 20:14:55 <Luke-Jr> nm
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2108 2014-02-20 20:21:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What's the numbering logic for BIPs?
2109 2014-02-20 20:22:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It apparently isn't sequential, since BIP62 comes after BIP70
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2111 2014-02-20 20:25:21 <Luke-Jr> michagogo|cloud: whatever the assigner decides
2112 2014-02-20 20:25:44 <Luke-Jr> michagogo|cloud: in practice, it looks like it's "mostly sequential" except for setting aside blocks-of-10 for specific multi-standard things
2113 2014-02-20 20:25:57 <Luke-Jr> so for example, 4x seems set aside for stratum protocols
2114 2014-02-20 20:26:01 <Luke-Jr> 7x for payment protocol
2115 2014-02-20 20:26:19 <Luke-Jr> 22-30 for gbt
2116 2014-02-20 20:26:24 <Luke-Jr> 29*
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2128 2014-02-20 20:34:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Luke-Jr: Ahhhh
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2134 2014-02-20 20:38:58 <justanotheruser> Is there anything you can do with OP_DROP that you can't do without OP_DROP?
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2156 2014-02-20 20:59:39 <saracen> andytoshi: I'm not a bot, btw ;x
2157 2014-02-20 21:00:02 * robonerd writes a bot to say that in 42 seconds
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2159 2014-02-20 21:01:33 <jaromil> Guys, some time ago I was looking back to an old pull req I've made about having pinentry secure password input. It still makes sense for the GUI to have it... and I could update it to fit into current HEAD. Do you think it'd be worth?
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2162 2014-02-20 21:04:08 <jaromil> I'm a big fan of GPG and the stuff that Koch is writing, libassuan and libgpg-error would be added deps.... reason why the pull req against 0.6 was rejected :|
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2164 2014-02-20 21:04:54 <andytoshi> jaromil: i'd like to have it, but probably two extra deps will still sink it this time around
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2193 2014-02-20 21:14:45 <defrostr> hi,  i am trying to figure out how a bitcoin checkpoint is created.  it seems to be a direct relationship with a block number, but if i was to generate a uint256 hash of block 0, i would get a completely different checkpoint than what is in the bitcoin code.
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2219 2014-02-20 21:17:48 <Luke-Jr> defrostr: checkpoints are an irrelevant optimisation in some clients, not part of bitcoin proper
2220 2014-02-20 21:17:58 <Luke-Jr> and IMO too boring to spend time thinking about
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2222 2014-02-20 21:18:17 <Apocalyptic> ^
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2225 2014-02-20 21:19:23 <defrostr> Luke-Jr, but from what i am reading, it prevents a massive amount of coins being created and applied to your blockchain filling your disks.  at least your client can start from a checkpoint and not have to load everything from the first checkpoint
2226 2014-02-20 21:19:28 <defrostr> (if that makes any sense)
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2229 2014-02-20 21:20:04 <Luke-Jr> defrostr: Bitcoin-Qt still needs to load everything from the genesis block, evne with checkpoints
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2234 2014-02-20 21:20:28 <defrostr> oh, then i've misinterpreted
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2283 2014-02-20 21:32:24 <upd_> hi, is it possible, to set every 100 blocks that one random block has double reward ?
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2294 2014-02-20 21:32:25 <zone117x> anyone know the bitcoin.conf to start a new local blockchain in testnet? so it doesnt connect to peers to download blockchain
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2310 2014-02-20 21:33:10 <jcorgan> upd_: if you are writing your own cryptocurrency, you can do whatever you want
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2316 2014-02-20 21:33:47 <upd_> yea, i gues i will have to try and see :p
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2346 2014-02-20 21:42:57 <Adlai> how large a project would it be to implement a token/credit system using a cryptocurrency?
2347 2014-02-20 21:43:29 <Luke-Jr> Adlai: the project would first need to find a use case
2348 2014-02-20 21:43:50 <Adlai> Luke-Jr: credits for spending within a specific app
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2350 2014-02-20 21:44:24 <Luke-Jr> Adlai: that is entirely unrelated to cryptocurrency
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2352 2014-02-20 21:45:28 <Adlai> Luke-Jr: my feeling is that it's too centralized for cryptocurrency to be worth the added effort
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2357 2014-02-20 21:46:07 <Luke-Jr> anything where the currency is inherently centralised, has no value in using a cryptocurrency system
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2471 2014-02-20 22:07:35 <Luke-Jr> sipa: ping, is there a rebase of https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2964 ?
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2473 2014-02-20 22:07:48 <Luke-Jr> ._.
2474 2014-02-20 22:07:50 <Luke-Jr> sipa: ping, is there a rebase of https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2964 ?
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2479 2014-02-20 22:08:18 <sipa> Luke-Jr: no, and i wouldn't bother making one
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2482 2014-02-20 22:08:40 <Luke-Jr> sipa: O.o?
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2485 2014-02-20 22:09:23 <Luke-Jr> sipa: some reason for that, or just a preemptive assumption I'm about to ask you to? <.<
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2488 2014-02-20 22:09:45 <sipa> Luke-Jr: i've been working on getting the changes from that pull in smaller and cleaner PRs
2489 2014-02-20 22:09:49 <sipa> Luke-Jr: #3276, #3370, #3514
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2491 2014-02-20 22:09:56 <Luke-Jr> sipa: that counts as a rebase to me ;)
2492 2014-02-20 22:10:06 <sipa> well, in a way
2493 2014-02-20 22:10:21 <sipa> but the actual headers-first sync isn't (re)implemented
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2495 2014-02-20 22:10:25 <sipa> yet :)
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2500 2014-02-20 22:13:22 <sipa> i guess #3077, #3083 and #3087 are also leading up to that
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2546 2014-02-20 22:41:20 <kuzetsa> I opted just now to stop my bitcoind and delete the 10 gigabytes worth of files with the pattern "rev000\d\d.dat" under $datafolder/blocks
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2548 2014-02-20 22:42:25 <kuzetsa> that particular node had only been operating for aprox 3 months, so I find it kinda frustrating that there was nearly as much gigabytes worth of "rev000\d\d.dat" files as there were "blk000\d\d.dat" files :(
2549 2014-02-20 22:43:43 <kuzetsa> why is there 2x blockchain size worth of data per node these days anyway?
2550 2014-02-20 22:44:13 <kuzetsa> pre-leveldb I don't recall that was the case
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2566 2014-02-20 22:50:34 <gmaxwell> kuzetsa: you _cannot_ delete that data, your node is just going to crash and refuse to work when you reach a reorg that needs that data.
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2573 2014-02-20 22:51:15 <gmaxwell> kuzetsa: those files (and chainstate) are replacking the enormous blkindex.dat that the prior versions used, and are much smaller.
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2580 2014-02-20 22:54:50 <sipa> shouldn't be 10 GB either
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2584 2014-02-20 22:56:45 <kuzetsa> well yeah
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2586 2014-02-20 22:57:10 <kuzetsa> 10 gigabytes worth of "rev000\d\d.dat" files was "wrong" in my opinion
2587 2014-02-20 22:57:20 <sipa> ?
2588 2014-02-20 22:57:20 <kuzetsa> can I rebuild some more saner-sized ones using a --rescan?
2589 2014-02-20 22:57:39 <sipa> if they take 10 GB, there is something very wrong
2590 2014-02-20 22:57:43 <sipa> it would take 1 or 2 maybe
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2592 2014-02-20 22:58:12 <sipa> and rescan has nothing to do with it, it just searches for missing wallet transactions in the blockchain and *you* *will* *never* *need* *it*
2593 2014-02-20 22:58:28 <kuzetsa> hmm
2594 2014-02-20 22:58:45 <sipa> what is "wrong" in your opinion?
2595 2014-02-20 22:58:53 <gmaxwell> I had just assumed 10 gigabytes was pure hyperbole.
2596 2014-02-20 22:58:59 <kuzetsa> let me rephrase (without mentioning --rescan) ... is there any way to rebuild new "rev000\d\d.dat" files?
2597 2014-02-20 22:59:05 <kuzetsa> no, 10 gigabytes was literal
2598 2014-02-20 22:59:06 <sipa> with -reindex
2599 2014-02-20 22:59:15 <kuzetsa> oh, that's the one I meant, thanks
2600 2014-02-20 22:59:24 <gmaxwell> kuzetsa: how do you know they were 10gb?
2601 2014-02-20 22:59:26 <sipa> but it will take just the same amount of time as before
2602 2014-02-20 22:59:31 <sipa> eh, space
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2605 2014-02-20 23:00:19 <kuzetsa> gmaxwell: I have my blockchain data files folder mounted (using "bind" via /etc/fstab) from a separate partition to my root filesystem
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2607 2014-02-20 23:00:38 <sipa> kuzetsa: that directory also contains the blk*.dat files (which contain blockchain data)
2608 2014-02-20 23:00:38 <andytoshi> kuzetsa: ..so you used 'df'?
2609 2014-02-20 23:00:53 <kuzetsa> before and after deleting the "rev000\d\d.dat" files was 10 gigabytes smaller using du and df
2610 2014-02-20 23:01:01 <sipa> strange
2611 2014-02-20 23:01:04 <kuzetsa> indeed
2612 2014-02-20 23:01:14 <kuzetsa> like I said, it seemed "wrong"
2613 2014-02-20 23:01:17 <gmaxwell> It should be about 2GB.
2614 2014-02-20 23:01:23 <gmaxwell> it is on three nodes I've checked.
2615 2014-02-20 23:01:23 <kuzetsa> so a --reindex seems like a good plan anyway
2616 2014-02-20 23:01:37 <sipa> yes, you need a -reindex now
2617 2014-02-20 23:01:42 * kuzetsa nods
2618 2014-02-20 23:01:48 <gmaxwell> yea you need a reindex in any case.
2619 2014-02-20 23:01:51 <gmaxwell> on an example system here there are 117 files of about 17mbytes each.
2620 2014-02-20 23:02:03 <sipa> same
2621 2014-02-20 23:02:07 <sipa> 1.9GB here
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2623 2014-02-20 23:02:28 <kuzetsa> for some of mine, a few of the rev files were larger than the correspondingly numbered blk000?? files
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2628 2014-02-20 23:04:05 <Apocalyptic> from a practical POV what's the difference between "generate" and "receive" transaction categories ?
2629 2014-02-20 23:04:30 <Apocalyptic> I know the first out is a tx from the coinbase but as long as it's mature they should be treated the same way right ?
2630 2014-02-20 23:04:48 <sipa> after maturing, they have the same effect
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2634 2014-02-20 23:08:16 <Apocalyptic> thanks sipa
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2637 2014-02-20 23:11:11 <kuzetsa> http://pastebin.com/0YEKNCya <-- much better (the largest one so far this time around is still smaller than 20 megabytes
2638 2014-02-20 23:11:42 <kuzetsa> ... and it's still got a ways to go despite being on an dual octo-core xen instance
2639 2014-02-20 23:11:57 <sipa> it will take a few hours
2640 2014-02-20 23:12:18 <sipa> increasing -dbcache can help (up to 2000 or so, if you can spare 2GB)
2641 2014-02-20 23:13:01 <kuzetsa> dunno about "hours" ... it's got 16 physical cores (2x octo-core xeon E5-2670) and entiprise SSD-backed storage array
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2645 2014-02-20 23:14:37 <sipa> which release?
2646 2014-02-20 23:15:04 <kuzetsa> sipa: what?
2647 2014-02-20 23:15:10 <sipa> which version of bitcoind
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2651 2014-02-20 23:16:57 <kuzetsa> oh
2652 2014-02-20 23:17:00 <kuzetsa> 0.8.6
2653 2014-02-20 23:17:08 <sipa> ok, let me know how long it takes
2654 2014-02-20 23:17:28 <sipa> still, increasing -dbcache will very significantly speed it up (if you haven't done so already)
2655 2014-02-20 23:17:49 <kuzetsa> this is a ram-limited xen instance
2656 2014-02-20 23:17:54 <kuzetsa> only 1 GB ram
2657 2014-02-20 23:18:10 <sipa> ok
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2659 2014-02-20 23:18:27 <kuzetsa> it's set up for storage speed, network bandwidth & CPU performance, not ram
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2662 2014-02-20 23:19:04 <kuzetsa> which is manily why I only use it for compiling and running a bitcoin node
2663 2014-02-20 23:19:13 <kuzetsa> *mainly
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2665 2014-02-20 23:20:39 <kuzetsa> -rw------- 1 bitcoin bitcoin 19922944 Feb 20 18:06 rev00000.dat
2666 2014-02-20 23:20:39 <kuzetsa> (( snip ))
2667 2014-02-20 23:20:39 <kuzetsa> -rw------- 1 bitcoin bitcoin 17825792 Feb 20 18:19 rev00016.dat
2668 2014-02-20 23:20:39 <kuzetsa> -rw------- 1 bitcoin bitcoin  4194304 Feb 20 18:19 rev00017.dat
2669 2014-02-20 23:20:43 <kuzetsa> it's coming along nicely
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2674 2014-02-20 23:22:16 <sipa> type this: tail -1000 ~/.bitcoin/debug.log | fgrep progress | cut -d '=' -f 7 | tail -1
2675 2014-02-20 23:22:28 <sipa> it'll tell you how far you are
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2678 2014-02-20 23:22:55 <kuzetsa> the assumption that its' under ~/.bitcoin is cute :)
2679 2014-02-20 23:23:14 <sipa> for me it is, i just symlink it elsewhere :p
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2681 2014-02-20 23:23:23 * kuzetsa nods
2682 2014-02-20 23:23:37 <kuzetsa> 0.080507, apparently
2683 2014-02-20 23:23:40 <kuzetsa> I'm assuming 1.0 = done?
2684 2014-02-20 23:25:01 <sipa> yes
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2687 2014-02-20 23:25:47 <kuzetsa> cool, I'll check back in 45 minutes or so, and then 5-10 minutes thereafter if it's above 0.7 or something
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2692 2014-02-20 23:28:24 <kuzetsa> /home/bitcoin/ is a "bind" mount same as the /var/lib/bitcoin mount & I've got the --reindex running via "sudo -u bitcoin bitcoind --reindex" and I'd prefer to revert to using my normal fully daemonized (openrc script) thinger once it completes
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2695 2014-02-20 23:30:28 <kuzetsa> thanks for the help figuring out how to properly reindex to rebuild after deleting the (might've been corrupt or result of an attack on mhy nodes?) bloated rev??? files
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2710 2014-02-20 23:42:08 <justanotheruser> Can someone give me an example of a script that requires one of these opcodes? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script#Stack
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2719 2014-02-20 23:48:12 <gmaxwell> justanotheruser: OP_2DUP OP_EQUAL OP_NOT OP_VERIFY OP_SHA256 OP_SWAP OP_SHA256 OP_EQUAL
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