1 2014-03-09 00:00:26 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2 2014-03-09 00:07:21 Guyver2 has quit (Quit: :))
3 2014-03-09 00:12:25 fanquake has joined
4 2014-03-09 00:12:52 dustcoin has quit ()
5 2014-03-09 00:12:57 bmcgee has joined
6 2014-03-09 00:13:13 derbumi has joined
7 2014-03-09 00:13:50 alex_fun has joined
8 2014-03-09 00:14:14 <alex_fun> hello
9 2014-03-09 00:14:38 <alex_fun> #// Go back by what we want to be 14 days worth of blocks const CBlockIndex* pindexFirst = pindexLast; for (int i = 0; pindexFirst && i < nInterval-1; i++) pindexFirst = pindexFirst->pprev; assert(pindexFirst); How this formula covers 14days?
10 2014-03-09 00:15:31 wallet42 has joined
11 2014-03-09 00:16:18 BTC_Bear is now known as hbrntng!~BTC_Bear@unaffiliated/btc-bear/x-5233302|BTC_Bear
12 2014-03-09 00:16:31 <jgarzik> whee, fun burst of
13 2014-03-09 00:16:32 <jgarzik> 2014-03-09 00:15:28 ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool : free transaction rejected by rate limiter
14 2014-03-09 00:16:39 <jgarzik> right after a long burst of double-spend denials
15 2014-03-09 00:18:25 reneg has joined
16 2014-03-09 00:25:23 pierreatwork has joined
17 2014-03-09 00:25:28 Coincidental has joined
18 2014-03-09 00:26:19 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
19 2014-03-09 00:27:00 <alex_fun> :))
20 2014-03-09 00:29:00 nickler has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
21 2014-03-09 00:33:00 trainhappy has joined
22 2014-03-09 00:33:29 <trainhappy> bitcoin-deamon on arch linux appears to be corrupted
23 2014-03-09 00:34:27 _ImI_ has joined
24 2014-03-09 00:34:29 <trainhappy> when I used pacman -S bitcoin-deamon it said that the package was currupt
25 2014-03-09 00:35:28 mE\Ta has joined
26 2014-03-09 00:36:36 wallet421 has joined
27 2014-03-09 00:36:36 wallet42 has quit (Killed (barjavel.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)))
28 2014-03-09 00:36:36 wallet421 is now known as wallet42
29 2014-03-09 00:38:20 <lachesis> trainhappy: works for me
30 2014-03-09 00:38:39 <lachesis> pacman -Syu perhaps?
31 2014-03-09 00:39:27 <trainhappy> I'll try that and let you know if that fixes it
32 2014-03-09 00:40:33 <lachesis> oh and remove the package from your pacman cache
33 2014-03-09 00:40:51 <lachesis> rm /var/cache/pacman/pkg/bitcoin-daemon-0.8.6-2-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
34 2014-03-09 00:40:58 <lachesis> well or whatever your architecture is
35 2014-03-09 00:41:31 <lachesis> trainhappy: if that doesn't work, pastebin the 'pacman -S bitcoin-daemon' output
36 2014-03-09 00:42:26 <trainhappy> oh, and it's on a digitalocean droplet
37 2014-03-09 00:43:29 askmike has joined
38 2014-03-09 00:44:30 grubles has joined
39 2014-03-09 00:44:31 venzen has joined
40 2014-03-09 00:44:42 <lachesis> trainhappy, shouldn't matter, but if my two fixes don't work for you, i'll spin one up and try
41 2014-03-09 00:44:54 <lachesis> also might be worth trying a different mirror in /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
42 2014-03-09 00:45:13 <lachesis> i use Server = http://mirror.rit.edu/archlinux/$repo/os/$arch
43 2014-03-09 00:45:22 ziggamon has joined
44 2014-03-09 00:45:35 sbrossie has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
45 2014-03-09 00:46:21 trainhappy has quit (Quit: Rooms ⢠iPhone IRC Client ⢠http://www.roomsapp.mobi)
46 2014-03-09 00:46:45 trainhappy has joined
47 2014-03-09 00:46:48 BTC_Bear is now known as BTC_Bear|hbrntng
48 2014-03-09 00:47:48 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
49 2014-03-09 00:49:03 <trainhappy> it's updating now, yesterday it used all servers, and kept getting 404 errors
50 2014-03-09 00:49:06 sbrossie has joined
51 2014-03-09 00:49:32 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
52 2014-03-09 00:50:29 yubrew has joined
53 2014-03-09 00:51:09 phoenix52 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
54 2014-03-09 00:51:13 <trainhappy> the pacman -Syu command fixed it :)
55 2014-03-09 00:53:21 yubrew has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
56 2014-03-09 00:53:29 Michail is now known as Michail1
57 2014-03-09 00:54:12 derbumi has quit (Quit: derbumi)
58 2014-03-09 00:54:16 tjopper has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
59 2014-03-09 00:55:16 derbumi has joined
60 2014-03-09 00:55:46 richardkiss has quit (Quit: richardkiss)
61 2014-03-09 00:57:01 derbumi has quit (Client Quit)
62 2014-03-09 00:57:29 zcopley has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
63 2014-03-09 00:57:43 smash has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
64 2014-03-09 00:58:18 smash has joined
65 2014-03-09 00:58:32 derbumi has joined
66 2014-03-09 00:58:53 stevedekorte has joined
67 2014-03-09 00:59:20 <trainhappy> is the wiki offline?
68 2014-03-09 01:00:04 <trainhappy> it's showing "Website is offline  No cached version of this page is available."
69 2014-03-09 01:00:46 _alp_ has joined
70 2014-03-09 01:02:05 <_alp_> Have a question about IsStandard, think I understand it, want to confirm
71 2014-03-09 01:02:31 <_alp_> P2SH lets me make a fairly arbitrary script, but seems like I am limited by 500 bytes on scriptSig when I spend it?
72 2014-03-09 01:02:54 askmike has joined
73 2014-03-09 01:03:24 smash has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
74 2014-03-09 01:03:50 askmike has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
75 2014-03-09 01:03:51 askmike_ has joined
76 2014-03-09 01:06:04 ielo has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
77 2014-03-09 01:09:07 ppvkignx is now known as hasan4
78 2014-03-09 01:09:46 smash has joined
79 2014-03-09 01:13:13 trainhappy has quit (Quit: Rooms ⢠iPhone IRC Client ⢠http://www.roomsapp.mobi)
80 2014-03-09 01:14:02 pera has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
81 2014-03-09 01:15:20 MolokoBot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
82 2014-03-09 01:16:02 MolokoDeck has joined
83 2014-03-09 01:16:05 MolokoBot has joined
84 2014-03-09 01:16:06 MolokoBox has joined
85 2014-03-09 01:16:37 kermit has joined
86 2014-03-09 01:16:37 MolokoBox is now known as MolokoDesk
87 2014-03-09 01:16:51 ziggamon has joined
88 2014-03-09 01:16:55 <Michail1> sipa - We talked about not knowing about a centos machine not trimming block files. it was using 0.8.1. Upgraded to 0.8.6 and now the blocks are being trimmed properly. Since you're probably not here, I am going to try a reindex to see if 8.6 will trim the files as it moves from one to the next.
89 2014-03-09 01:17:17 trainhappy has joined
90 2014-03-09 01:17:21 smash_ has joined
91 2014-03-09 01:17:34 paracyst has joined
92 2014-03-09 01:17:36 cysm has joined
93 2014-03-09 01:20:26 <lachesis> trainhappy: wiki is down
94 2014-03-09 01:20:28 <lachesis> google cache is up though
95 2014-03-09 01:21:03 smash has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
96 2014-03-09 01:25:05 joesmoe has joined
97 2014-03-09 01:25:08 <trainhappy> lachesis: the arch linux install literally is easier than ubuntu, debian, and centos
98 2014-03-09 01:25:34 <lachesis> trainhappy: uhh alright
99 2014-03-09 01:25:39 <trainhappy> nothing required compiling
100 2014-03-09 01:25:56 <lachesis> trainhappy: bitcoind is in the repos
101 2014-03-09 01:25:58 <lachesis> for ubuntu
102 2014-03-09 01:26:18 <lachesis> probably fairly old though, b/c that's how ubuntu rolls
103 2014-03-09 01:26:22 <lachesis> hence why i use arch on my laptop :)
104 2014-03-09 01:26:38 <trainhappy> yes, but I didn't have luck with getting it working on ubuntu
105 2014-03-09 01:26:52 <lachesis> i run a built version on my ubuntu server, so i can have the latest
106 2014-03-09 01:26:58 <lachesis> bitcoind compile is fairly painless
107 2014-03-09 01:27:00 <lachesis> once you get BDB
108 2014-03-09 01:27:11 <trainhappy> install is straight forward on arch :)
109 2014-03-09 01:28:00 <trainhappy> if only litecoin had an arch package as well
110 2014-03-09 01:28:42 Guest63893 has left ()
111 2014-03-09 01:29:19 mE\Ta has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
112 2014-03-09 01:30:19 aynstein has joined
113 2014-03-09 01:34:12 llllllllll has quit ()
114 2014-03-09 01:34:24 trainhappy has quit (Quit: Rooms ⢠iPhone IRC Client ⢠http://www.roomsapp.mobi)
115 2014-03-09 01:38:00 nsh has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
116 2014-03-09 01:38:25 DrGamma has quit (Quit: Page closed)
117 2014-03-09 01:41:52 richcollins has quit (Quit: richcollins)
118 2014-03-09 01:44:44 <jcorgan> sipa: thanks.
119 2014-03-09 01:44:46 yubrew has joined
120 2014-03-09 01:45:00 MolokoDeck has quit (Quit: Leaving)
121 2014-03-09 01:45:16 MolokoBot has quit (Quit: Leaving)
122 2014-03-09 01:47:56 <BCB> why does my privkey start with a K
123 2014-03-09 01:48:12 <Michail1> it doesn't.
124 2014-03-09 01:48:14 <Michail1> :)
125 2014-03-09 01:48:31 <BCB> I just did dumpprivkey in version 9 RC
126 2014-03-09 01:48:44 <Michail1> :)
127 2014-03-09 01:48:47 <BCB> and the privkey starts with K
128 2014-03-09 01:48:48 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
129 2014-03-09 01:48:53 <BCB> what' up with that
130 2014-03-09 01:48:53 <Michail1> yup.
131 2014-03-09 01:49:05 <Michail1> and it's shorter than what you normally see as well.
132 2014-03-09 01:49:17 <BCB> so it is new encoding?
133 2014-03-09 01:50:18 richardkiss has joined
134 2014-03-09 01:50:44 <Michail1> BCB - two ways to gen keys. normal and compressed
135 2014-03-09 01:50:57 <Michail1> keys that start with K or L are compressed
136 2014-03-09 01:51:13 <BCB> can I dump and uncompressed key
137 2014-03-09 01:51:16 <Michail1> regulatr start with 5
138 2014-03-09 01:51:33 <Michail1> either was is fine. Just send me your keys. :x
139 2014-03-09 01:51:52 <Michail1> (Just realized I was in DEV - sorry). BCB - pm
140 2014-03-09 01:53:17 phizzy has joined
141 2014-03-09 01:54:03 askmike_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
142 2014-03-09 01:56:02 tg has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
143 2014-03-09 01:57:48 tg has joined
144 2014-03-09 02:03:39 derbumi has quit (Quit: derbumi)
145 2014-03-09 02:05:48 venzen has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
146 2014-03-09 02:06:30 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
147 2014-03-09 02:07:18 phizzy has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
148 2014-03-09 02:07:18 brson has joined
149 2014-03-09 02:11:02 JesusFreak has joined
150 2014-03-09 02:16:12 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
151 2014-03-09 02:16:56 Coincidental has joined
152 2014-03-09 02:21:14 _ImI_ has joined
153 2014-03-09 02:22:36 ericmuys_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
154 2014-03-09 02:23:12 ericmuys_ has joined
155 2014-03-09 02:24:44 askmike has joined
156 2014-03-09 02:26:42 askmike_ has joined
157 2014-03-09 02:27:18 ziggamon has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
158 2014-03-09 02:27:28 ericmuys_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
159 2014-03-09 02:27:50 ziggamon has joined
160 2014-03-09 02:29:26 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
161 2014-03-09 02:29:45 ghtdak has joined
162 2014-03-09 02:29:46 JesusFreak has quit (Quit: Leaving)
163 2014-03-09 02:30:02 Coincidental has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
164 2014-03-09 02:31:05 askmike_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
165 2014-03-09 02:31:48 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
166 2014-03-09 02:38:47 yubrew has joined
167 2014-03-09 02:39:08 aegis has quit (Excess Flood)
168 2014-03-09 02:39:28 petcat has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
169 2014-03-09 02:39:41 jakov has quit (Quit: Leaving)
170 2014-03-09 02:40:06 aegis has joined
171 2014-03-09 02:40:17 wallet42 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
172 2014-03-09 02:42:11 sserrano44 has joined
173 2014-03-09 02:43:18 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
174 2014-03-09 02:44:18 oPen_syLar has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
175 2014-03-09 02:46:43 sserrano44 has quit (Client Quit)
176 2014-03-09 02:47:26 wallet42 has joined
177 2014-03-09 02:47:43 Application has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
178 2014-03-09 02:49:03 kennv has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
179 2014-03-09 02:49:47 kennv has joined
180 2014-03-09 03:00:31 Dizzle has joined
181 2014-03-09 03:00:48 YoY has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
182 2014-03-09 03:00:48 johnsoft has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
183 2014-03-09 03:01:11 johnsoft has joined
184 2014-03-09 03:02:28 hasan4 is now known as ppvkignx
185 2014-03-09 03:04:16 Dizzle has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
186 2014-03-09 03:09:13 smash_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
187 2014-03-09 03:10:02 dustcoin has joined
188 2014-03-09 03:10:39 <Michail1> sipa - Just to be clear..... running reindex for 0.8.6 will not trim block files created by an earlier daemon build.
189 2014-03-09 03:12:24 ziggamon has joined
190 2014-03-09 03:13:30 askmike has joined
191 2014-03-09 03:13:57 t7 has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140218135856])
192 2014-03-09 03:14:52 di_sc has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
193 2014-03-09 03:16:48 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
194 2014-03-09 03:17:51 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
195 2014-03-09 03:18:32 jordandotdev has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
196 2014-03-09 03:18:48 Subo1977_ has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
197 2014-03-09 03:19:14 aynstein has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
198 2014-03-09 03:20:55 sporkman has joined
199 2014-03-09 03:21:01 Subo1977 has joined
200 2014-03-09 03:22:54 Application has joined
201 2014-03-09 03:25:27 dustcoin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
202 2014-03-09 03:26:00 aschildbach_ has joined
203 2014-03-09 03:26:03 dustcoin has joined
204 2014-03-09 03:26:04 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
205 2014-03-09 03:26:07 dustcoin has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
206 2014-03-09 03:26:16 aschildbach has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
207 2014-03-09 03:26:32 smash has joined
208 2014-03-09 03:26:38 dustcoin has joined
209 2014-03-09 03:27:21 smash_ has joined
210 2014-03-09 03:30:48 smash has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
211 2014-03-09 03:30:54 jupiterfunk has joined
212 2014-03-09 03:32:06 <jupiterfunk> Hello. Is it normal for "gettransaction" to return data correctly, but for "getrawtransaction" to return "No information available about transaction"? The transaction was non-standard, sent from the client.
213 2014-03-09 03:33:10 yubrew has joined
214 2014-03-09 03:37:02 Neozonz has joined
215 2014-03-09 03:37:16 rdymac has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
216 2014-03-09 03:37:18 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
217 2014-03-09 03:38:21 bmcgee has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
218 2014-03-09 03:39:31 pierreatwork has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
219 2014-03-09 03:40:00 Neozonz has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
220 2014-03-09 03:42:22 Eagle[TM] has joined
221 2014-03-09 03:42:44 pierreatwork has joined
222 2014-03-09 03:42:46 rdymac has joined
223 2014-03-09 03:43:40 EagleTM has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
224 2014-03-09 03:44:15 stevedekorte has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
225 2014-03-09 03:48:48 travist has joined
226 2014-03-09 03:50:33 <travist> Luke-Jr: Hey, I think I found a pretty big problem with your python-blkmaker repo: https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/python-blkmaker/merge_requests/1
227 2014-03-09 03:50:53 jupiterfunk has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
228 2014-03-09 03:51:18 <travist> Luke-Jr: Let me know if I am crazy, but it looks like the example is wrong on the endianness of the diffbits.
229 2014-03-09 03:54:46 basva_ has joined
230 2014-03-09 03:56:16 Coincidental has joined
231 2014-03-09 03:59:12 saracen has quit (Quit: leaving)
232 2014-03-09 03:59:22 saracen has joined
233 2014-03-09 04:00:17 saracen has quit (Client Quit)
234 2014-03-09 04:00:35 saracen has joined
235 2014-03-09 04:01:55 edcba has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
236 2014-03-09 04:05:14 edcba has joined
237 2014-03-09 04:06:29 ziggamon has joined
238 2014-03-09 04:07:56 dansmith_btc2 has joined
239 2014-03-09 04:08:07 dansmith_btc2 has quit (Client Quit)
240 2014-03-09 04:09:30 <phantomcircuit> travist, you're wrong
241 2014-03-09 04:10:11 <phantomcircuit> travist, the sha256d midstate is big endian
242 2014-03-09 04:10:24 <phantomcircuit> for some reason stratum is also big endian
243 2014-03-09 04:10:31 <phantomcircuit> so eloipool stores them as big endian
244 2014-03-09 04:10:36 <phantomcircuit> but calculates them as little
245 2014-03-09 04:10:47 <phantomcircuit> welcome to bitcoin, where the endianness is 1000% arbitrary
246 2014-03-09 04:10:50 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
247 2014-03-09 04:11:47 <travist> phantomcircuit: :) ok thanks⦠so are these examples wrong then? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Getblocktemplate
248 2014-03-09 04:12:14 <travist> phantomcircuit: they are packing the bits without reversing the endianness from the template.
249 2014-03-09 04:12:18 <phantomcircuit> travist, very likely but i dont have time to check
250 2014-03-09 04:12:26 <travist> phantomcircuit: understand. thanks.
251 2014-03-09 04:13:22 askmike has joined
252 2014-03-09 04:16:06 sporkman has quit ()
253 2014-03-09 04:17:49 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
254 2014-03-09 04:17:55 drenllateno has joined
255 2014-03-09 04:18:44 <travist> phantomcircuit: so the bits are not included in the midstate hash, so I don't understand your comment regarding sha256d midstate. The bits are included as the 2nd Uint32 value right before the nonce, which is the 3rd index of Uint32List that is hashed after the midstate⦠so, bits are not not included in midstate. And from what I understand about sha256, the hash is calculated from little endian values. Maybe I am crazy
256 2014-03-09 04:19:49 jordandotdev has joined
257 2014-03-09 04:20:44 drenllateno has quit (Client Quit)
258 2014-03-09 04:22:27 tarix_jp has joined
259 2014-03-09 04:22:39 richcollins has joined
260 2014-03-09 04:23:42 grubles has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
261 2014-03-09 04:23:52 <phantomcircuit> travist, sha256 is 256 bits or 32 bytes
262 2014-03-09 04:24:03 <phantomcircuit> the block header is uh 80 bytes?
263 2014-03-09 04:24:39 <phantomcircuit> yeah 80
264 2014-03-09 04:24:53 <phantomcircuit> travist, so the first 23 bytes can have about half of sha256 applied to them
265 2014-03-09 04:24:59 <travist> phantomcircuit: right⦠the midstate is actually calculated from the first 16 bytes, which doesn't change for every nonce value. So, the bits is in the second 16 bytes of the hash which is included with the nonce that changes.
266 2014-03-09 04:25:03 <phantomcircuit> which means the hardware is really doing ~1.5 sha256 ops
267 2014-03-09 04:25:34 <phantomcircuit> travist, right but each block size (iirc 32 bits) is reversed in midstate
268 2014-03-09 04:26:00 <phantomcircuit> so all the things in the header which happen to align to 32bit word boundaries are reversed
269 2014-03-09 04:26:47 <phantomcircuit> travist, extremely confusingly this does not apply to all of the parameters in stratum
270 2014-03-09 04:27:50 yubrew has joined
271 2014-03-09 04:29:08 <travist> phantomcircuit: agreed⦠I appreciate your help⦠it seems I have some more reading to do. Crazy how when you think you understand it, you get it wrong. What is strange is I am actually writing a mining library in Google Dart https://github.com/travist/dartminer and for getwork, the midstate doesn't behave how you explain. So are you saying that when you translate work from getblocktemplate, it changes behavior of getwo
272 2014-03-09 04:30:14 <phantomcircuit> travist, it depends entirely on what the hardware and/or client expects
273 2014-03-09 04:30:24 <phantomcircuit> pretty much if you can think of an encoding there is something that expects it
274 2014-03-09 04:31:49 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
275 2014-03-09 04:33:32 LyndsySimon has quit (Quit: LyndsySimon)
276 2014-03-09 04:34:05 <deego> Why was little endian ever invented? Why can't everything be big endian?
277 2014-03-09 04:34:55 ralphtheninja has quit (Write error: Broken pipe)
278 2014-03-09 04:35:19 sl01 has quit (Write error: Broken pipe)
279 2014-03-09 04:36:57 <travist> phantomcircuit: ok thanks for your help. I will do some more digging.
280 2014-03-09 04:42:33 <Luke-Jr> _alp_: correct
281 2014-03-09 04:43:35 ralphthe1inja has joined
282 2014-03-09 04:47:01 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
283 2014-03-09 04:48:54 mjb504_ has joined
284 2014-03-09 04:49:33 <tarix_jp> faster memory access / integer math back in ancient times
285 2014-03-09 04:49:42 <BCB> any reason getrawtransaction would not be working on RC9
286 2014-03-09 04:49:45 <travist> deego: ARM processors made it mainstream from what I understand.
287 2014-03-09 04:52:37 <Luke-Jr> travist: diffbits is not a simple number, it is a custom floating-point, and represented as 4 octets; not saying you're wrong, but perhaps your expectations aren't matching up?
288 2014-03-09 04:55:09 <tarix_jp> deego: whenever you find something that really sucks in programming you can bet there was a hardware related historical reason
289 2014-03-09 04:56:55 dustcoin has quit ()
290 2014-03-09 04:57:26 porquilho has quit ()
291 2014-03-09 04:57:50 <travist> Luke-Jr: I think so⦠I guess what I am saying is what is described in the getblocktemplate docs is completely different from what python-blkmaker is doing as far as the endian of the bits. What is confusing is all other parameters you are adding are little endian to the header, except for the bits.
292 2014-03-09 04:58:37 richcollins_ has joined
293 2014-03-09 04:58:57 HeySteve has joined
294 2014-03-09 04:59:41 <Luke-Jr> travist: the intended behaviour is to produce the same output as libblkmaker, which I *think* is a block header - but could very well be pre-flipped for hashing
295 2014-03-09 05:00:12 <travist> Luke-Jr: 'bits' meaning 'bits' from the template, which seems to be given as Little endian. 0xffff001d
296 2014-03-09 05:02:53 <Luke-Jr> travist: SHA256d data is always big endian. But Bitcoin historically treats it in little endian. Also, little endian looks like big endian.
297 2014-03-09 05:03:20 <Luke-Jr> No, I don't expect you to follow that line of explanation :/
298 2014-03-09 05:04:36 <Luke-Jr> travist: it's not a uint32 at all, there is no endian on bits
299 2014-03-09 05:05:45 <travist> Luke-Jr: ok thanks for the help. I will close my PR. I really appreciate the help and guidance. When I am done, it will all be within my Google Dart implementation for a miner. https://github.com/travist/dartminer
300 2014-03-09 05:05:53 <Luke-Jr> the first 3 bytes are a little endian number, followed by an exponent
301 2014-03-09 05:06:39 <Luke-Jr> travist: well, like I said - I can't say you're *wrong*
302 2014-03-09 05:06:51 <Luke-Jr> travist: please compare with libblkmaker to make sure
303 2014-03-09 05:07:05 <Luke-Jr> in Las Vegas waiting for my SF flight now..
304 2014-03-09 05:07:29 <travist> Luke-Jr: Will do, thanks again for the help.
305 2014-03-09 05:08:06 EagleTM has joined
306 2014-03-09 05:10:36 richcollins has quit (Quit: richcollins)
307 2014-03-09 05:10:42 richcollins_ has quit (Quit: richcollins_)
308 2014-03-09 05:11:10 <Luke-Jr> np
309 2014-03-09 05:11:19 adam3us has joined
310 2014-03-09 05:11:25 pierreatwork has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
311 2014-03-09 05:13:11 tg has quit (Disconnected by services)
312 2014-03-09 05:13:18 tg` has joined
313 2014-03-09 05:14:36 tg` is now known as tg
314 2014-03-09 05:16:41 Coincide_ has joined
315 2014-03-09 05:16:43 [7] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
316 2014-03-09 05:17:03 TheSeven has joined
317 2014-03-09 05:18:01 OneMiner1 has joined
318 2014-03-09 05:18:35 ValicekB_ has joined
319 2014-03-09 05:18:38 dustcoin_ has joined
320 2014-03-09 05:18:53 RedEmerald has quit (Changing host)
321 2014-03-09 05:18:53 RedEmerald has joined
322 2014-03-09 05:19:05 dustcoin_ has quit (Client Quit)
323 2014-03-09 05:19:06 jtimon has joined
324 2014-03-09 05:19:06 ziggamon has joined
325 2014-03-09 05:19:12 mjsals has joined
326 2014-03-09 05:19:20 <cornfeedhobo> Luke-Jr: why are you in SF?
327 2014-03-09 05:19:29 dustcoin_ has joined
328 2014-03-09 05:19:38 tardisonline has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
329 2014-03-09 05:19:39 <TheBison> Can anyone point me to an example of how to use signrawtransaction with multiple inputs & outputs?
330 2014-03-09 05:19:59 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
331 2014-03-09 05:20:20 <Luke-Jr> cornfeedhobo: stuff? :p
332 2014-03-09 05:20:34 venzen has joined
333 2014-03-09 05:20:48 richcollins has joined
334 2014-03-09 05:20:52 ValicekB has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
335 2014-03-09 05:21:16 grubles has joined
336 2014-03-09 05:21:19 askmike has joined
337 2014-03-09 05:21:24 Coincide_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
338 2014-03-09 05:21:26 yubrew has joined
339 2014-03-09 05:22:04 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
340 2014-03-09 05:22:35 vegard_ has joined
341 2014-03-09 05:22:40 CBit has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
342 2014-03-09 05:22:52 brson_ has joined
343 2014-03-09 05:23:06 <sipa> Michail1: eh, unsure
344 2014-03-09 05:23:07 <sipa> BCB: no you cannlt convert a compressed key i to an uncompressed one (well, you could, but it would have a different address, so from bitcoin's perspective they are unrelated)
345 2014-03-09 05:23:09 <sipa> Michail1: compressed private keys are not shorter than uncompressed one. the terminology is confusing, but it is about whether thr corresponding public keybis to be compressed or not
346 2014-03-09 05:23:09 <sipa> Michail1: for private keys, that "compression" is just an extra flag byte to indicate that the public key is to be compressed... making the private key a bit longer actually on average
347 2014-03-09 05:23:10 wallet42 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
348 2014-03-09 05:23:12 vegard has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
349 2014-03-09 05:23:17 wallet42 has joined
350 2014-03-09 05:23:21 cysm has quit (Excess Flood)
351 2014-03-09 05:23:27 bonks has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
352 2014-03-09 05:23:39 HM has quit (Excess Flood)
353 2014-03-09 05:23:53 spin123456 has quit (Excess Flood)
354 2014-03-09 05:23:53 justusranvier has quit (Excess Flood)
355 2014-03-09 05:23:53 wiz has quit (Excess Flood)
356 2014-03-09 05:23:57 Insti has quit (Excess Flood)
357 2014-03-09 05:25:12 ArthurNumba2 has quit (Excess Flood)
358 2014-03-09 05:25:12 Prattler_ has quit (Excess Flood)
359 2014-03-09 05:25:12 tombtc has quit (Excess Flood)
360 2014-03-09 05:25:12 deego has quit (Excess Flood)
361 2014-03-09 05:25:26 c0rw1n has quit (Excess Flood)
362 2014-03-09 05:25:26 imagegami has quit (Excess Flood)
363 2014-03-09 05:25:26 Eagle[TM] has quit (Write error: Connection timed out)
364 2014-03-09 05:25:26 brson has quit (Write error: Connection timed out)
365 2014-03-09 05:25:26 OneMiner has quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer)
366 2014-03-09 05:25:26 CryptoBuck has quit (Write error: Broken pipe)
367 2014-03-09 05:25:26 mjb504 has quit (Write error: Broken pipe)
368 2014-03-09 05:25:38 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
369 2014-03-09 05:25:39 super3 has quit (Read error: Connection timed out)
370 2014-03-09 05:25:52 ArthurNumba2 has joined
371 2014-03-09 05:25:52 wallet42 has quit (Changing host)
372 2014-03-09 05:25:52 wallet42 has joined
373 2014-03-09 05:25:52 spinza has joined
374 2014-03-09 05:26:04 imagegami has joined
375 2014-03-09 05:26:09 Insti has joined
376 2014-03-09 05:26:09 askmike has joined
377 2014-03-09 05:26:10 Prattler has joined
378 2014-03-09 05:26:13 deego has joined
379 2014-03-09 05:26:22 bonks has joined
380 2014-03-09 05:26:27 zcopley has joined
381 2014-03-09 05:26:27 HeySteve has quit (Changing host)
382 2014-03-09 05:26:27 HeySteve has joined
383 2014-03-09 05:26:31 deego has quit (Changing host)
384 2014-03-09 05:26:31 deego has joined
385 2014-03-09 05:26:32 deego has quit (Changing host)
386 2014-03-09 05:26:32 deego has joined
387 2014-03-09 05:26:36 tombtc has joined
388 2014-03-09 05:26:40 justusranvier has joined
389 2014-03-09 05:26:40 Coincidental has joined
390 2014-03-09 05:26:40 sl01 has joined
391 2014-03-09 05:26:43 HM_ has joined
392 2014-03-09 05:27:02 c0rw1n has joined
393 2014-03-09 05:28:38 ValicekB_ is now known as ValicekB
394 2014-03-09 05:29:21 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
395 2014-03-09 05:29:35 wallet42 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
396 2014-03-09 05:30:40 Soligor has quit (Quit: Soligor)
397 2014-03-09 05:32:58 OneMiner1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
398 2014-03-09 05:33:35 <Ademan> BCB: what do you mean not working?
399 2014-03-09 05:36:05 owowo has quit (Quit: owowo)
400 2014-03-09 05:37:23 YoY has joined
401 2014-03-09 05:38:37 cadaver has joined
402 2014-03-09 05:40:17 OneMiner has joined
403 2014-03-09 05:40:57 aegis has quit (Excess Flood)
404 2014-03-09 05:42:34 travist has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
405 2014-03-09 05:43:10 <sipa> BCB: do you have -txindex enabled?
406 2014-03-09 05:43:37 askmike has joined
407 2014-03-09 05:43:39 aegis has joined
408 2014-03-09 05:45:18 hmsimha has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
409 2014-03-09 05:47:38 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
410 2014-03-09 05:51:27 m104 has joined
411 2014-03-09 05:52:09 petcat has joined
412 2014-03-09 05:54:49 ziggamon has joined
413 2014-03-09 05:57:14 dustcoin_ has quit ()
414 2014-03-09 05:57:53 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
415 2014-03-09 05:59:01 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
416 2014-03-09 06:02:03 tesserajk has joined
417 2014-03-09 06:07:14 adam3us has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
418 2014-03-09 06:07:23 CBit has joined
419 2014-03-09 06:13:22 travist has joined
420 2014-03-09 06:15:10 travist1 has joined
421 2014-03-09 06:15:11 travist has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
422 2014-03-09 06:15:40 yubrew has joined
423 2014-03-09 06:16:15 banghouse has joined
424 2014-03-09 06:16:36 Aesthetic has quit (Quit: rm -rf /)
425 2014-03-09 06:16:57 travist1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
426 2014-03-09 06:17:00 travist has joined
427 2014-03-09 06:18:50 travist1 has joined
428 2014-03-09 06:18:50 travist has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
429 2014-03-09 06:19:47 espringe has joined
430 2014-03-09 06:19:49 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
431 2014-03-09 06:20:39 travist has joined
432 2014-03-09 06:20:39 <espringe> I tried doing a batched json-rpc request -- and it seemed to kill my bitcoind client, and it just hangs when trying to start it up
433 2014-03-09 06:20:41 <espringe> any ideas?
434 2014-03-09 06:20:50 banghouse has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
435 2014-03-09 06:20:57 <espringe> The request I was doing was for thousands of 'getrawtransaction' at once
436 2014-03-09 06:22:27 travist2 has joined
437 2014-03-09 06:22:27 travist has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
438 2014-03-09 06:22:50 Logicwax has joined
439 2014-03-09 06:23:47 ivanyak has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
440 2014-03-09 06:23:48 travist1 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
441 2014-03-09 06:24:02 travist2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
442 2014-03-09 06:24:14 travist has joined
443 2014-03-09 06:24:17 <maaku> espringe: try stepping it up and see when you run into trouble
444 2014-03-09 06:26:02 travist1 has joined
445 2014-03-09 06:26:03 travist has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
446 2014-03-09 06:26:45 shadders has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
447 2014-03-09 06:27:15 tesserajk has quit (Quit: tesserajk)
448 2014-03-09 06:27:50 travist1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
449 2014-03-09 06:27:53 travist has joined
450 2014-03-09 06:28:08 wyager has joined
451 2014-03-09 06:28:52 rdymac has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
452 2014-03-09 06:29:41 travist has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
453 2014-03-09 06:29:41 travist1 has joined
454 2014-03-09 06:30:32 rdymac has joined
455 2014-03-09 06:31:10 richcollins has quit (Quit: richcollins)
456 2014-03-09 06:31:30 travist has joined
457 2014-03-09 06:31:42 travist1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
458 2014-03-09 06:33:16 travist1 has joined
459 2014-03-09 06:35:11 travist2 has joined
460 2014-03-09 06:35:11 travist1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
461 2014-03-09 06:35:17 Vinnie_win has quit ()
462 2014-03-09 06:36:24 travist has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
463 2014-03-09 06:36:58 travist has joined
464 2014-03-09 06:36:58 travist2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
465 2014-03-09 06:37:21 adam3us has joined
466 2014-03-09 06:38:45 travist1 has joined
467 2014-03-09 06:38:45 travist has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
468 2014-03-09 06:40:35 travist has joined
469 2014-03-09 06:40:35 travist1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
470 2014-03-09 06:42:23 travist1 has joined
471 2014-03-09 06:42:24 travist has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
472 2014-03-09 06:43:19 askmike has joined
473 2014-03-09 06:44:14 super3 has joined
474 2014-03-09 06:44:14 travist has joined
475 2014-03-09 06:44:29 travist1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
476 2014-03-09 06:46:00 travist1 has joined
477 2014-03-09 06:46:00 travist has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
478 2014-03-09 06:46:30 zcopley has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
479 2014-03-09 06:47:49 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
480 2014-03-09 06:47:49 travist1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
481 2014-03-09 06:47:52 travist has joined
482 2014-03-09 06:48:24 ghtdak has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
483 2014-03-09 06:48:36 LightRiderAFK has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
484 2014-03-09 06:48:58 ziggamon has joined
485 2014-03-09 06:49:33 travist has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
486 2014-03-09 06:49:38 travist has joined
487 2014-03-09 06:49:48 adam3us has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
488 2014-03-09 06:50:09 _biO_ has joined
489 2014-03-09 06:50:35 wyager has quit (Quit: wyager)
490 2014-03-09 06:51:28 travist1 has joined
491 2014-03-09 06:53:15 travist2 has joined
492 2014-03-09 06:53:16 travist1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
493 2014-03-09 06:53:48 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
494 2014-03-09 06:54:24 travist has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
495 2014-03-09 06:54:45 adam3us has joined
496 2014-03-09 06:55:04 travist has joined
497 2014-03-09 06:55:12 travist2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
498 2014-03-09 06:56:01 __andares has joined
499 2014-03-09 06:56:38 travist has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
500 2014-03-09 06:56:51 travist has joined
501 2014-03-09 06:58:39 travist1 has joined
502 2014-03-09 06:58:52 * Michail1 sets mode +b travist*!*@*$#fix_your_connection
503 2014-03-09 07:00:29 travist2 has joined
504 2014-03-09 07:00:30 travist1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
505 2014-03-09 07:00:56 sbrossie has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
506 2014-03-09 07:01:36 travist has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
507 2014-03-09 07:02:02 adam3us has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
508 2014-03-09 07:02:07 travist2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
509 2014-03-09 07:02:18 travist has joined
510 2014-03-09 07:03:39 JZavala has joined
511 2014-03-09 07:04:05 travist has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
512 2014-03-09 07:04:06 travist1 has joined
513 2014-03-09 07:05:07 basva_ has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
514 2014-03-09 07:05:12 mjsals has quit ()
515 2014-03-09 07:05:44 travist1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
516 2014-03-09 07:05:52 travist has joined
517 2014-03-09 07:07:44 travist1 has joined
518 2014-03-09 07:07:45 travist has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
519 2014-03-09 07:08:09 <__andares> bouncers people
520 2014-03-09 07:08:16 rdymac has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
521 2014-03-09 07:08:39 <__andares> has anyone gotten OpenPGP smartcards working with a bitcoin wallet?
522 2014-03-09 07:09:07 di_sc has joined
523 2014-03-09 07:09:46 yubrew has joined
524 2014-03-09 07:11:02 rdymac has joined
525 2014-03-09 07:11:42 <sipa> __andares: that's pretty impossible
526 2014-03-09 07:11:56 <sipa> pgp uses different elliptic curves than bitcoin
527 2014-03-09 07:12:03 travist1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
528 2014-03-09 07:12:09 <__andares> oh, I see.
529 2014-03-09 07:12:51 HeySteve2 has joined
530 2014-03-09 07:13:14 HeySteve has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
531 2014-03-09 07:14:25 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
532 2014-03-09 07:14:39 <__andares> I've heard of a bitcoin smartcard coming onto the market, but I think it uses a different standard
533 2014-03-09 07:14:46 <__andares> than OpenPGP
534 2014-03-09 07:26:34 smash_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
535 2014-03-09 07:27:33 adam3us has joined
536 2014-03-09 07:31:18 HeySteve2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
537 2014-03-09 07:32:35 venzen has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
538 2014-03-09 07:32:40 aceat64 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
539 2014-03-09 07:32:45 HeySteve has joined
540 2014-03-09 07:34:07 <__andares> when will nLockTime be returned to the original spec?
541 2014-03-09 07:34:11 <__andares> what's in the way?
542 2014-03-09 07:36:19 m104 has quit (Quit: brb)
543 2014-03-09 07:37:32 dexX7_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
544 2014-03-09 07:43:18 ziggamon has joined
545 2014-03-09 07:43:27 askmike has joined
546 2014-03-09 07:43:30 CryptoBuck has joined
547 2014-03-09 07:43:34 InsiderJoe has joined
548 2014-03-09 07:43:49 espringe has quit (Quit: espringe)
549 2014-03-09 07:44:30 InsiderJoe has quit (Client Quit)
550 2014-03-09 07:46:28 HeySteve has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
551 2014-03-09 07:47:21 ziggamon has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
552 2014-03-09 07:48:24 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
553 2014-03-09 07:49:53 cadaver has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
554 2014-03-09 07:52:19 <Chief_Panda> AndrewJackson, I am no longer involved in that and I cannot discuss it
555 2014-03-09 07:52:30 jtcwang has joined
556 2014-03-09 07:52:37 basva_ has joined
557 2014-03-09 07:54:18 StSeek has joined
558 2014-03-09 07:55:17 paveljanik has joined
559 2014-03-09 07:55:25 phantomspark has joined
560 2014-03-09 07:56:47 basva_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
561 2014-03-09 07:56:50 execut3 has joined
562 2014-03-09 07:57:18 <sipa> __andares: nLockTime does and has always worked the same way; it's a protocol rule
563 2014-03-09 07:57:28 shesek has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
564 2014-03-09 07:57:49 <sipa> __andares: trnsaction rellacement otoh is a local node policy
565 2014-03-09 07:58:57 Coincidental has joined
566 2014-03-09 07:59:49 phantomspark has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
567 2014-03-09 08:00:53 tarantillo_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
568 2014-03-09 08:01:00 ThomasV has joined
569 2014-03-09 08:01:15 tarantillo_ has joined
570 2014-03-09 08:03:54 yubrew has joined
571 2014-03-09 08:05:30 TheBison has quit (Quit: TheBison)
572 2014-03-09 08:05:56 Burrito has joined
573 2014-03-09 08:06:05 Burrito has quit (Changing host)
574 2014-03-09 08:06:05 Burrito has joined
575 2014-03-09 08:09:02 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
576 2014-03-09 08:09:41 wallet42 has joined
577 2014-03-09 08:10:35 just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser
578 2014-03-09 08:10:43 ericmuyser has joined
579 2014-03-09 08:11:02 stevedekorte has joined
580 2014-03-09 08:11:18 stevedekorte has quit (Client Quit)
581 2014-03-09 08:12:19 Coincidental has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
582 2014-03-09 08:13:40 msvb-lab has joined
583 2014-03-09 08:15:08 execut3 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
584 2014-03-09 08:16:49 phantomspark has joined
585 2014-03-09 08:17:32 c_k has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
586 2014-03-09 08:17:37 banghouse has joined
587 2014-03-09 08:18:17 Raziel has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
588 2014-03-09 08:19:53 HeySteve has joined
589 2014-03-09 08:19:53 HeySteve has quit (Changing host)
590 2014-03-09 08:19:53 HeySteve has joined
591 2014-03-09 08:21:49 banghouse has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
592 2014-03-09 08:24:29 fanquake has left ()
593 2014-03-09 08:24:49 HeySteve2 has joined
594 2014-03-09 08:24:50 HeySteve2 has quit (Changing host)
595 2014-03-09 08:24:50 HeySteve2 has joined
596 2014-03-09 08:25:51 sserrano44 has joined
597 2014-03-09 08:26:22 execut3 has joined
598 2014-03-09 08:26:55 HeySteve has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
599 2014-03-09 08:27:48 phantomspark has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
600 2014-03-09 08:29:12 phantomspark has joined
601 2014-03-09 08:29:22 HeySteve2 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
602 2014-03-09 08:32:16 tarix_jp has quit (Quit: bye)
603 2014-03-09 08:32:33 yrddj has joined
604 2014-03-09 08:34:10 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
605 2014-03-09 08:34:10 yeshuah has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
606 2014-03-09 08:34:32 K_a_____ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
607 2014-03-09 08:35:03 use_zfs_yo has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
608 2014-03-09 08:35:34 bedouin_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
609 2014-03-09 08:35:37 anarchystar has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
610 2014-03-09 08:35:49 StSeek has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424])
611 2014-03-09 08:35:55 raistlinthewiz has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
612 2014-03-09 08:36:22 MoALTz has joined
613 2014-03-09 08:37:18 ziggamon has joined
614 2014-03-09 08:39:45 Namworld has quit ()
615 2014-03-09 08:40:06 TheBison has joined
616 2014-03-09 08:41:21 ielo has joined
617 2014-03-09 08:41:28 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
618 2014-03-09 08:42:03 nsh has joined
619 2014-03-09 08:43:33 askmike has joined
620 2014-03-09 08:45:24 emostar has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
621 2014-03-09 08:46:59 TheBison has quit (Quit: TheBison)
622 2014-03-09 08:47:13 yrddj has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
623 2014-03-09 08:47:57 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
624 2014-03-09 08:48:07 sserrano44 has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
625 2014-03-09 08:48:38 TheBison has joined
626 2014-03-09 08:48:57 Guyver2 has joined
627 2014-03-09 08:50:57 twizt has joined
628 2014-03-09 08:53:05 emostar has joined
629 2014-03-09 08:54:43 jtimon has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
630 2014-03-09 08:56:35 ppvkignx has quit ()
631 2014-03-09 08:58:10 yubrew has joined
632 2014-03-09 09:00:18 ThomasV has joined
633 2014-03-09 09:01:48 petcat1 has joined
634 2014-03-09 09:02:26 petcat has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
635 2014-03-09 09:02:27 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
636 2014-03-09 09:04:48 spinza has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
637 2014-03-09 09:05:09 Krellan_ has joined
638 2014-03-09 09:06:21 aynstein has joined
639 2014-03-09 09:06:35 di_sc has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
640 2014-03-09 09:07:03 toffoo has quit ()
641 2014-03-09 09:08:06 spinza has joined
642 2014-03-09 09:15:08 go1111111 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
643 2014-03-09 09:15:58 venzen has joined
644 2014-03-09 09:16:00 derbumi has joined
645 2014-03-09 09:16:45 tjopper has joined
646 2014-03-09 09:17:25 nsh has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
647 2014-03-09 09:17:37 derbumi has quit (Client Quit)
648 2014-03-09 09:18:13 <Ademan> So currently if I send a transaction with insufficient funds, it'll enter nodes' mempools, right? Is it fair to say that after a certain amount of time it'll have likely been forgotten by all nodes it was relayed to (including miners) and I could reissue a very similar transaction with more fees?
649 2014-03-09 09:18:55 buggin_out1 has joined
650 2014-03-09 09:22:05 derbumi has joined
651 2014-03-09 09:23:20 <area> You can just reissue a transaction that uses the same inputs with higher fees straight away
652 2014-03-09 09:26:10 paracyst has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
653 2014-03-09 09:26:11 <sipa> Ademan: whatbis a transaction withninsufficient funds?
654 2014-03-09 09:26:20 <sipa> ah, fees?
655 2014-03-09 09:26:37 <sipa> if nodes don't like your transactiin because of too little fee, they'll just drop it
656 2014-03-09 09:27:14 paveljanik has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
657 2014-03-09 09:27:15 smash has joined
658 2014-03-09 09:28:31 <Ademan> sipa: yeah sorry, fees
659 2014-03-09 09:28:38 non2 has joined
660 2014-03-09 09:28:52 <Ademan> so it won't even be broadcast out to the network with insufficient fees?
661 2014-03-09 09:29:03 <Ademan> er, nodes won't relay it
662 2014-03-09 09:29:03 aceat64 has joined
663 2014-03-09 09:29:08 kennv has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
664 2014-03-09 09:30:13 kennv has joined
665 2014-03-09 09:30:38 <Ademan> area: I thought that right now, that wasn't possible, nodes would reject the second transaction as it's a double spend (but that there's development effort going into making this work)
666 2014-03-09 09:31:28 ziggamon has joined
667 2014-03-09 09:32:13 smash has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
668 2014-03-09 09:32:33 <sipa> Ademan: of course not; the fee policy exists to protect the network from being dos by transaction flooding
669 2014-03-09 09:32:54 Duncan_ has joined
670 2014-03-09 09:33:00 derbumi has quit (Quit: derbumi)
671 2014-03-09 09:33:18 richardkiss has quit (Quit: richardkiss)
672 2014-03-09 09:35:30 buggin_out1 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
673 2014-03-09 09:35:47 derbumi has joined
674 2014-03-09 09:35:49 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
675 2014-03-09 09:36:48 <Ademan> sipa: That makes sense, but I was under the impression someone was working on allowing certain transactions double spending coins to replace the old transaction if it was similar enough.
676 2014-03-09 09:37:05 <Ademan> why would that be necessary if transactions with insufficient fees are just immediately dropped and not relayed?
677 2014-03-09 09:37:35 wallet42 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
678 2014-03-09 09:37:41 <Ademan> is is possible to pay enough fees for nodes to relay your transaction, but be insufficient to ever be included in a block?
679 2014-03-09 09:37:57 <aynstein> Ademan: no
680 2014-03-09 09:38:15 <aynstein> it doesnt work like that - but thats better suited for #bitcoin I thikn
681 2014-03-09 09:38:27 ielo has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
682 2014-03-09 09:39:47 derbumi has quit (Client Quit)
683 2014-03-09 09:41:27 ppvkignx has joined
684 2014-03-09 09:41:53 phoenix52 has joined
685 2014-03-09 09:43:36 askmike has joined
686 2014-03-09 09:43:50 <Ademan> The topic says that the "Bitcoin network" is on topic in here, I'd rather not try to have a serious discussion in #bitcoin :-)
687 2014-03-09 09:44:29 <maaku> Ademan: bitcoin *development* is on topic here, e.g. writing code
688 2014-03-09 09:46:07 <sipa> (whichbis independent from the ultum
689 2014-03-09 09:46:17 <Ademan> maaku: "This is for discussion about the Bitcoin network[...]" I don't really want to argue about it though
690 2014-03-09 09:46:28 TheBison has quit (Quit: TheBison)
691 2014-03-09 09:46:39 <sipa> Ademan: yes, that is possible
692 2014-03-09 09:46:48 <sipa> miner's decisions are independent from the network
693 2014-03-09 09:47:03 <sipa> you badically have to provide a fee that is bkth enough to be relayed and to be mined
694 2014-03-09 09:47:19 <Ademan> sipa: is that the motivation for that work I referred to? (or am I mistaken about the nature of that work?)
695 2014-03-09 09:47:27 <sipa> for now, the first plays a dominant role, but i doubt that will remain the case for long
696 2014-03-09 09:47:43 <sipa> i know of no one working on this
697 2014-03-09 09:47:54 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
698 2014-03-09 09:48:01 <sipa> there are discussions on how to deal with this
699 2014-03-09 09:48:20 <sipa> one extreme is whatbwe have now: only ever accept the first transaction
700 2014-03-09 09:48:33 jordandotdev has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
701 2014-03-09 09:48:47 <sipa> the other extreme is allowing any transaction to be replaced with anything conflicting that pays a hogher fee
702 2014-03-09 09:51:28 <Ademan> Thanks
703 2014-03-09 09:51:47 ielo has joined
704 2014-03-09 09:51:58 <sipa> the question is really what sort of protection the network tries to provide for unconfirmed transactions
705 2014-03-09 09:52:10 <sipa> or even better, what protections it can provide
706 2014-03-09 09:52:25 yubrew has joined
707 2014-03-09 09:52:40 <sipa> right niw, it tries to prevent double spends by only relaying the first seen in case of conflicts
708 2014-03-09 09:53:03 <sipa> but that really only works as long as people don't bypass this protection by sending directly to miners
709 2014-03-09 09:53:16 <sipa> so it is probably not worth much
710 2014-03-09 09:53:26 basva_ has joined
711 2014-03-09 09:54:28 <Ademan> well if the miner has similar rejection logic that still works
712 2014-03-09 09:54:49 <Ademan> but I guess that basically means the policies of the intervening nodes don't really matter
713 2014-03-09 09:55:01 Duncan__ has joined
714 2014-03-09 09:55:08 bobke has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
715 2014-03-09 09:55:31 <sipa> miners and relay nodes have very different incentives
716 2014-03-09 09:55:49 <sipa> rationally, miners want to maximize fees per byte of what they mine
717 2014-03-09 09:56:02 one_zero has joined
718 2014-03-09 09:56:10 bobke has joined
719 2014-03-09 09:56:33 <sipa> so pretending that the relay network aims for something else is probably not maintainable in the long term
720 2014-03-09 09:56:41 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
721 2014-03-09 09:57:19 Duncan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
722 2014-03-09 09:57:22 shadders has joined
723 2014-03-09 09:57:28 basva_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
724 2014-03-09 09:58:39 ThomasV has quit (Quit: Quitte)
725 2014-03-09 10:00:04 dustcoin has joined
726 2014-03-09 10:00:04 dustcoin has quit (Client Quit)
727 2014-03-09 10:02:16 aynstein is now known as jalepeno
728 2014-03-09 10:02:41 jalepeno is now known as aynstein
729 2014-03-09 10:05:07 Duncan_ has joined
730 2014-03-09 10:07:48 Duncan__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
731 2014-03-09 10:08:01 TheBison has joined
732 2014-03-09 10:08:40 Jamesz has joined
733 2014-03-09 10:09:06 Coincidental has joined
734 2014-03-09 10:09:44 JZavala has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
735 2014-03-09 10:10:50 puzl has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
736 2014-03-09 10:10:51 YoY has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
737 2014-03-09 10:11:36 puzl has joined
738 2014-03-09 10:11:41 CBit has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
739 2014-03-09 10:12:03 TheBison has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
740 2014-03-09 10:13:13 Duncan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
741 2014-03-09 10:14:35 YoY has joined
742 2014-03-09 10:18:17 banghouse has joined
743 2014-03-09 10:19:45 WormDr1nk has joined
744 2014-03-09 10:21:26 CBit has joined
745 2014-03-09 10:21:29 Coincidental has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
746 2014-03-09 10:21:57 banghouse has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
747 2014-03-09 10:22:48 W0rmDr1nk has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
748 2014-03-09 10:25:19 tombtc has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
749 2014-03-09 10:25:38 ziggamon has joined
750 2014-03-09 10:25:39 execut3 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
751 2014-03-09 10:29:21 ziggamon_ has joined
752 2014-03-09 10:30:04 ziggamon has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
753 2014-03-09 10:30:17 venzen has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
754 2014-03-09 10:31:18 phantomspark has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
755 2014-03-09 10:33:15 justanotheruser is now known as just[dead]
756 2014-03-09 10:34:03 WormDr1nk has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
757 2014-03-09 10:35:03 execut3 has joined
758 2014-03-09 10:35:43 phantomspark has joined
759 2014-03-09 10:36:23 _ImI_ has joined
760 2014-03-09 10:36:39 buggin_out1 has joined
761 2014-03-09 10:37:07 nsh has joined
762 2014-03-09 10:38:13 W0rmDr1nk has joined
763 2014-03-09 10:38:46 yeshuah has joined
764 2014-03-09 10:39:07 nopes has quit ()
765 2014-03-09 10:39:55 <airbreather> Hmm... BIP0016 has the two following statements: "These new rules should only be applied when validating transactions in blocks with timestamps >= 1333238400 (Apr 1 2012)." and "If 550 or more contain "/P2SH/" in their coinbase, then all blocks with timestamps after 15 Feb 2012, 00:00:00 GMT shall have their pay-to-script-hash transactions fully validated."
766 2014-03-09 10:40:27 gmaxwell has joined
767 2014-03-09 10:40:41 <airbreather> Is the first one an "April Fools!" joke or something? From my naive read of this, "timstamp > Feb 15 2012" is the only one that matters?
768 2014-03-09 10:41:11 <LarsLarsen> it was a method of voting, for the new pay to script protocol
769 2014-03-09 10:41:33 <LarsLarsen> the miners were the ones it impacted, so they allowed them to vote for 3 months in their coinbase transactions (the only way the miners can send data)
770 2014-03-09 10:42:30 K_a_____ has joined
771 2014-03-09 10:43:24 <LarsLarsen> P2SH won
772 2014-03-09 10:44:00 <airbreather> LarsLarsen: from my reading of the context, the voting was a one-shot period of 7 days, which I guess passed, so "all blocks with timestamps after 15 Feb 2012, 00:00:00 GMT shall have their pay-to-scripe-hash transactions fully validated" now
773 2014-03-09 10:44:19 W0rmDr1nk has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
774 2014-03-09 10:44:30 <airbreather> except without the typo
775 2014-03-09 10:44:40 W0rmDr1nk has joined
776 2014-03-09 10:45:23 TD has joined
777 2014-03-09 10:45:33 <LarsLarsen> airbreather: I could totally be wrong about the time period, but I am fairly certain it was reached and P2SH will be validated
778 2014-03-09 10:46:00 Hunger- has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
779 2014-03-09 10:46:17 <airbreather> ahh... https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/commit/57488fbd8b6d2d581b12864ce7a07149e19a177d it USED to say February 15, 2012 in both places, but then was later updated
780 2014-03-09 10:46:25 yubrew has joined
781 2014-03-09 10:46:52 Emzy has joined
782 2014-03-09 10:46:57 <airbreather> OK so I'll go with the April 1, 2012 timestamp
783 2014-03-09 10:47:10 <LarsLarsen> Ahhh
784 2014-03-09 10:47:32 TheBison has joined
785 2014-03-09 10:48:00 <LarsLarsen> Bip is law right?
786 2014-03-09 10:48:43 MaxSan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
787 2014-03-09 10:49:10 <LarsLarsen> Infallable spec is infallable
788 2014-03-09 10:50:04 <airbreather> If I understand the whole ecosystem correctly, the reference implementation is law, but major consensus-related changes without BIPs don't happen
789 2014-03-09 10:50:12 yubrew has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
790 2014-03-09 10:50:38 bedouin_ has joined
791 2014-03-09 10:51:18 <SomeoneWeird> airbreather, afaik major changes to the reference client don't happen without BIPs spec'd
792 2014-03-09 10:54:16 TheBison has quit (Quit: TheBison)
793 2014-03-09 10:54:52 <LarsLarsen> If you don't have a spec, you cant do QA
794 2014-03-09 10:55:11 <LarsLarsen> its basic software methodology
795 2014-03-09 10:55:54 <LarsLarsen> Otherwise, if the reference client is the spec, then it has no bugs by definition.
796 2014-03-09 10:56:13 <sipa> if it is inconsistent with itself, it is a bug
797 2014-03-09 10:56:19 CBit has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
798 2014-03-09 10:56:26 <sipa> if it doesn't behave as intended, it may be considered a bug
799 2014-03-09 10:56:26 <LarsLarsen> if you put the spec as comments in the program maybe
800 2014-03-09 10:56:36 <sipa> though of a different type as consensus bugs
801 2014-03-09 10:56:42 <LarsLarsen> intended? How is it intended to work?
802 2014-03-09 10:56:45 <airbreather> The problem is that backwards compatibility is extremely important
803 2014-03-09 10:57:13 <LarsLarsen> The only way you know how it is intended to work is if you have a specification, i.e. a BIP
804 2014-03-09 10:57:32 <sipa> LarsLarsen: the base behaviour was never formally specified in bips
805 2014-03-09 10:57:45 <sipa> rules like not allowing spends without valid signature
806 2014-03-09 10:57:51 <LarsLarsen> I understand, but it would be better if it were.
807 2014-03-09 10:57:52 <airbreather> You need everybody to agree on the same set of rules, and if version X of the reference implementation has a bug in it (e.g., OP_CHECKMULTISIG pops an extra value off the stack), then everybody needs to live with that or else you've got essentially two different blockchains
808 2014-03-09 10:58:06 <airbreather> LarsLarsen: +1, but we can't go back in time :-D
809 2014-03-09 10:58:17 <sipa> LarsLarsen: it can be documented, but it can't be specified
810 2014-03-09 10:58:24 <sipa> (and i agree it should be documented)
811 2014-03-09 10:59:06 <LarsLarsen> no, we can't, but keeping a spec outside of gavins brain would be cool
812 2014-03-09 10:59:30 <sipa> the spec is not gavin's brain
813 2014-03-09 10:59:35 <sipa> the spec is what the network implements
814 2014-03-09 10:59:36 Hunger- has joined
815 2014-03-09 10:59:43 <airbreather> there are a few wiki pages for some of the most complicated pieces like the network protocol and the script
816 2014-03-09 10:59:56 <LarsLarsen> airbreather: we're already living with different implementations on one chain
817 2014-03-09 11:00:12 petcat1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
818 2014-03-09 11:00:16 <airbreather> generally backwards-compatible, "valid-under-old / invalid-under-new"
819 2014-03-09 11:00:25 execut3 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
820 2014-03-09 11:00:30 <LarsLarsen> airbreather: but I get what you're saying, its true by pure repitition
821 2014-03-09 11:00:56 <LarsLarsen> sipa: I understand, but its not easy to read what the network implements
822 2014-03-09 11:00:57 <sipa> airbreather: that has happened, but only temporarily
823 2014-03-09 11:01:16 <sipa> during soft forks (bip16, bip30, bip34)
824 2014-03-09 11:02:04 <LarsLarsen> sipa: Its just very hard to build a test plan, when the spec is the codebase. Coming from a QA background.... I dont kno whow to deal with that.
825 2014-03-09 11:02:08 <LarsLarsen> I would WRITE a spec.
826 2014-03-09 11:02:48 jakov has joined
827 2014-03-09 11:02:48 jakov has quit (Changing host)
828 2014-03-09 11:02:48 jakov has joined
829 2014-03-09 11:03:43 <airbreather> LarsLarsen, for 95% of the functionality, that might be sane -- there's plenty of stuff, though, where the spec would be most plainly documented via a code sample
830 2014-03-09 11:04:12 <LarsLarsen> airbreather: I'm sure thats true., but we can't deal with 5% of the functionality being buggy
831 2014-03-09 11:04:35 <airbreather> But I agree -- having a spec would help both validate the current version of the reference implementation, future versions of the reference implementation, and ostensibly-compatible outside implementations like the one I'm working on
832 2014-03-09 11:05:41 <LarsLarsen> yeah, thats the biggest thing, most people just copy the code from bitcoind :)
833 2014-03-09 11:06:20 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
834 2014-03-09 11:06:43 <airbreather> Guilty... https://github.com/airbreather/Evercoin/blob/master/source/Evercoin.TransactionScript/TransactionScriptRunner.cs the switch statement looks surprisingly similar to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/script.cpp
835 2014-03-09 11:06:55 mikeche1en has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
836 2014-03-09 11:07:04 <LarsLarsen> yeah.... and you probably saved a LOT of grief doing it
837 2014-03-09 11:07:39 CryptDrift has joined
838 2014-03-09 11:07:41 <LarsLarsen> There are so many people who ask questions that could be answered simply if they could find that section in the code easier than they can bug people on the forums
839 2014-03-09 11:07:41 <LarsLarsen> :)
840 2014-03-09 11:07:49 <airbreather> well, I started by trying to implement from https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script but it looks like the wiki page is inconsistent in how it describes the stack from top-to-bottom for the stack-twiddling
841 2014-03-09 11:08:52 <LarsLarsen> most people aren't familiar with stack implementations, I wouldnt expect to get a working implementation from that....
842 2014-03-09 11:09:03 TheBison has joined
843 2014-03-09 11:09:32 nsh has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
844 2014-03-09 11:09:35 mikeche1en has joined
845 2014-03-09 11:09:38 <LarsLarsen> I think the test framework and the test network are the current spec I guess
846 2014-03-09 11:09:53 <LarsLarsen> because, its the focus of testing
847 2014-03-09 11:09:54 venzen has joined
848 2014-03-09 11:10:09 <LarsLarsen> i.e. if it doesn't break the last version, its cool :)
849 2014-03-09 11:10:19 nsh has joined
850 2014-03-09 11:10:31 <sipa> yeah, i agree - i'm in favor of documenting the current behaviour as well as possible, with the disclaimer thatit's only descriptive and not prescriptive
851 2014-03-09 11:11:05 <sipa> but that takes times, and i believe the people who are qualified to do so have very little time (or aren't paid for it, and orefer doing other things)
852 2014-03-09 11:12:00 <LarsLarsen> Of course, developers are busy developing
853 2014-03-09 11:12:04 ThomasV has joined
854 2014-03-09 11:12:05 <LarsLarsen> I'm not complaining
855 2014-03-09 11:12:17 <sipa> LarsLarsen: also, the test network only tests wjether valid things validate
856 2014-03-09 11:12:19 <airbreather> if nothing else, that's one thing I hope to gain from my little project... before I'm done, I want every little part of the code to be as well documented as this https://github.com/airbreather/Evercoin/blob/master/source/Evercoin/LegacyBehavior.cs to help reduce the amount of archaeology people have to do in order to figure out how the damn thing works
857 2014-03-09 11:12:39 <LarsLarsen> Just illustrating the advantages of separating design from code. Are you familiar at all with code synthesis?
858 2014-03-09 11:12:41 <sipa> it cannot test whether invalid things get rejected
859 2014-03-09 11:13:04 execut3 has joined
860 2014-03-09 11:13:32 <Eliel> saomeone said that 0.9 will use less RAM than previous versions. Is there a summary of what's been improved in this respect somewhere?
861 2014-03-09 11:13:33 <LarsLarsen> I see...
862 2014-03-09 11:13:37 W0rmDr1nk has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
863 2014-03-09 11:14:08 <LarsLarsen> airbreather: yeah, it will save a lot of time grepping
864 2014-03-09 11:14:10 <airbreather> Eliel: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=495683.0 has a changelog
865 2014-03-09 11:14:36 <sipa> Eliel: we store orphan blocks in compact serialized form in memory
866 2014-03-09 11:14:40 TD_ has joined
867 2014-03-09 11:14:41 <sipa> Eliel: instead of fully expanded
868 2014-03-09 11:14:49 phantomspark has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
869 2014-03-09 11:14:56 <LarsLarsen> code synthesis is really well suited for parallel applications, and applications where security is important, unfortunately the tools aren't that advanced just yet
870 2014-03-09 11:15:01 raistlinthewiz has joined
871 2014-03-09 11:15:12 <buZz> can anyone tell me if bootstrap.dat uses any type of compacting?
872 2014-03-09 11:15:21 <sipa> LarsLarsen: we do have pulltester though, which is awesome
873 2014-03-09 11:15:25 <buZz> or did blockchain really grow 3GB in a month ...
874 2014-03-09 11:15:32 <sipa> buZz: just blocks in network format
875 2014-03-09 11:15:36 Coincidental has joined
876 2014-03-09 11:15:40 <sipa> same format as blk?????.dat files
877 2014-03-09 11:15:46 <buZz> bizar ..
878 2014-03-09 11:15:49 <buZz> ok, tnx
879 2014-03-09 11:15:53 <LarsLarsen> sipa: yeah, the tester is one of the coolest bits that Iv'e seen so far (if you haven't noticed, I'm just now getting under the hood)
880 2014-03-09 11:16:03 <sipa> cool
881 2014-03-09 11:16:25 <LarsLarsen> I'm sure it kills a lot of bugs :)
882 2014-03-09 11:16:46 phoenix52 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
883 2014-03-09 11:16:50 <sipa> it has actually found several bugs that i introduced :)
884 2014-03-09 11:16:56 _ImI_ has joined
885 2014-03-09 11:16:58 <sipa> (or would have introduced)
886 2014-03-09 11:17:10 <LarsLarsen> yeah, low hanging fruit is a waste of your time anyway, leave it to the test framework
887 2014-03-09 11:19:15 jtcwang has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
888 2014-03-09 11:21:43 tcatm has joined
889 2014-03-09 11:21:43 tcatm has quit (Changing host)
890 2014-03-09 11:21:43 tcatm has joined
891 2014-03-09 11:23:39 Guyver2 has quit (Quit: :))
892 2014-03-09 11:24:52 buer has joined
893 2014-03-09 11:25:22 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
894 2014-03-09 11:25:50 m3ga has joined
895 2014-03-09 11:25:54 W0rmDr1nk has joined
896 2014-03-09 11:26:42 <LarsLarsen> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omsuTsOmvsc
897 2014-03-09 11:27:35 <LarsLarsen> October 24, 2007 lecture by Steve Omohundro for the Stanford University Computer Systems Colloquium (EE 380). Steve presents fundamental principles that underlie the operation of "self-improving systems," i.e., computer software and hardware that improve themselves by learning from their own operations.
898 2014-03-09 11:27:42 <airbreather> that looks really cool
899 2014-03-09 11:27:46 buer is now known as plasmob
900 2014-03-09 11:27:52 <plasmob> Hi, anybody here familiar with coinpunk web wallet code, I installed it but what is default admin user and password ?
901 2014-03-09 11:27:53 <LarsLarsen> he talks about software synthesis
902 2014-03-09 11:28:10 <LarsLarsen> Basically, it works because programs are proofs
903 2014-03-09 11:28:13 <LarsLarsen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_synthesis
904 2014-03-09 11:28:26 smash has joined
905 2014-03-09 11:30:56 Grouver has joined
906 2014-03-09 11:31:01 CryptDrift has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
907 2014-03-09 11:32:48 smash has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
908 2014-03-09 11:37:01 ssshhh has joined
909 2014-03-09 11:38:51 execut3 has quit (Quit: Leaving)
910 2014-03-09 11:39:00 shesek has joined
911 2014-03-09 11:39:53 plasmob has quit (Quit: Leaving)
912 2014-03-09 11:40:39 yubrew has joined
913 2014-03-09 11:40:56 <gmaxwell> test
914 2014-03-09 11:41:36 <aynstein> gmaxwell: pass
915 2014-03-09 11:41:48 <arubi> ---> #bitcoin-testnet
916 2014-03-09 11:42:10 <gmaxwell> m3ga: try now?
917 2014-03-09 11:42:13 <m3ga> hey
918 2014-03-09 11:42:23 <gmaxwell> so, freenode must be busted.
919 2014-03-09 11:42:31 guest55213 is now known as coingenuity
920 2014-03-09 11:42:31 coingenuity has quit (Changing host)
921 2014-03-09 11:42:32 coingenuity has joined
922 2014-03-09 11:42:36 <m3ga> anyway, is building bitcoin-qt from git known to be broken on debian testing?
923 2014-03-09 11:42:56 <gmaxwell> Is not known to me, hows it failing?
924 2014-03-09 11:43:07 <arubi> i've built on testing and sid, but not the latest version
925 2014-03-09 11:43:19 <m3ga> /usr/include/boost/atomic/atomic.hpp:202:16: error: âuintptr_tâ was not declared in this scope
926 2014-03-09 11:43:36 <m3ga> compiling alert.cpp
927 2014-03-09 11:44:00 CryptDrift has joined
928 2014-03-09 11:44:00 CryptDrift has quit (Changing host)
929 2014-03-09 11:44:00 CryptDrift has joined
930 2014-03-09 11:44:37 Tykling has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
931 2014-03-09 11:44:49 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
932 2014-03-09 11:45:41 <gmaxwell> sounds like some of the header cleanup went a bit too far.
933 2014-03-09 11:46:06 <sipa> patches welcome, in any case
934 2014-03-09 11:46:21 airbreather has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
935 2014-03-09 11:47:10 <m3ga> its 11pm here. will have to wait for .... tomorrow or something :-)
936 2014-03-09 11:47:22 twizt has quit (Quit: Page closed)
937 2014-03-09 11:47:43 Tykling has joined
938 2014-03-09 11:49:14 use_zfs_yo has joined
939 2014-03-09 11:49:19 <arubi> i'm getting the same error with a current git clone ^^
940 2014-03-09 11:49:51 nakedgoat has joined
941 2014-03-09 11:50:48 ssshhh has quit (Quit: Got to go - Be back soon!)
942 2014-03-09 11:51:24 aynstein has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
943 2014-03-09 11:51:53 Krellan has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
944 2014-03-09 11:52:19 <m3ga> any ideas why the global headers are included after the local headers? i've always found that this causes much pain.
945 2014-03-09 11:52:38 airbreather has joined
946 2014-03-09 11:53:06 <sipa> style, i guess
947 2014-03-09 11:53:36 <sipa> if changing that fixes things, i have no problem with reversing them
948 2014-03-09 11:54:12 basva_ has joined
949 2014-03-09 11:54:27 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
950 2014-03-09 11:55:01 <warren> where is the source of pulltester?
951 2014-03-09 11:55:41 <warren> (No, this isn't for Litecoin. wangbus has an idea to substantially improve Bitcoin CI and he wants to see what bitcoin already uses.)
952 2014-03-09 11:55:51 <m3ga> also getting : rpcserver.cpp:83:1: error: reference to âint64_tâ is ambiguous
953 2014-03-09 11:56:15 <m3ga> its a clash between stdint.h and something in boost
954 2014-03-09 11:56:37 debiantoruser has joined
955 2014-03-09 11:57:53 anarchystar has joined
956 2014-03-09 11:58:17 anarchystar is now known as Guest96824
957 2014-03-09 11:58:17 <sipa> warren: pulltester or the block comparison tool?
958 2014-03-09 11:58:19 basva_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
959 2014-03-09 11:58:39 <warren> sipa: both, or anything that's currently used to do automated testing of builds
960 2014-03-09 11:59:34 <sipa> the comparison tool is here i think: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/test-scripts?files=1
961 2014-03-09 11:59:50 <m3ga> is git head currently known to build anywhere?
962 2014-03-09 11:59:59 <sipa> yes
963 2014-03-09 12:00:24 <sipa> m3ga: you're not the first to report this problem though, i think
964 2014-03-09 12:00:28 _ImI_ has joined
965 2014-03-09 12:00:28 <m3ga> what platform?
966 2014-03-09 12:00:45 <sipa> i use ububtu 13.04 or 13.10 iirc
967 2014-03-09 12:01:23 TheBison has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
968 2014-03-09 12:01:23 <warren> m3ga: builds fine on Fedora 20 and mac here
969 2014-03-09 12:02:02 ppvkignx has quit ()
970 2014-03-09 12:03:04 <m3ga> warren: what version of the boost stuff? what version of gcc/g++?
971 2014-03-09 12:04:22 <warren> m3ga: look in the gitian recipes for the tested versions of all dependencies.
972 2014-03-09 12:04:54 <warren> m3ga: Ubuntu precise gcc/g++ and mingw64 are the targets now
973 2014-03-09 12:06:29 <m3ga> warren: where do i find these gitian recipies?
974 2014-03-09 12:08:58 ircuser-6 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
975 2014-03-09 12:10:11 Krellan has joined
976 2014-03-09 12:12:01 Eiii has quit ()
977 2014-03-09 12:12:19 alex_fun has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
978 2014-03-09 12:12:42 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
979 2014-03-09 12:14:59 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
980 2014-03-09 12:17:18 <m3ga> http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/cppguide.xml#Names_and_Order_of_Includes <---- google style guide says : c headers, c++ headers, other library headers, local headers
981 2014-03-09 12:19:03 derbumi has joined
982 2014-03-09 12:19:43 TheBison has joined
983 2014-03-09 12:21:53 johnsoft has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
984 2014-03-09 12:22:44 kardan has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
985 2014-03-09 12:22:48 johnsoft has joined
986 2014-03-09 12:23:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|20:49:01 <Wustenfuchs> Is it possible to create transactions that harness nLockTime using the original client at the moment?
987 2014-03-09 12:23:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|20:49:16 <Luke-Jr> no
988 2014-03-09 12:23:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|20:49:17 <sipa> using createrawtransaction, i believe so
989 2014-03-09 12:23:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I'm pretty sure createrawtransaction doesn't let you provide a locktime, unless I'm misremembering
990 2014-03-09 12:24:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yeah, it doesn't.
991 2014-03-09 12:24:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If you're working with raw transactions, though, you can manually edit the last 4 bytes before you sign
992 2014-03-09 12:25:36 _ImI_ has joined
993 2014-03-09 12:27:59 tardisonline has joined
994 2014-03-09 12:30:28 <gmaxwell> 4 bytes isn't enough, must change the sequence too.
995 2014-03-09 12:30:32 <gmaxwell> it's trivial to do by hand, however.
996 2014-03-09 12:32:27 ArthurNumba2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
997 2014-03-09 12:34:41 yubrew has joined
998 2014-03-09 12:34:51 buhbuh_ has joined
999 2014-03-09 12:35:24 derbumi has quit (Quit: derbumi)
1000 2014-03-09 12:35:54 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
1001 2014-03-09 12:38:13 pierreatwork has joined
1002 2014-03-09 12:39:13 ArthurNumba2 has joined
1003 2014-03-09 12:39:15 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1004 2014-03-09 12:40:00 Neozonz has joined
1005 2014-03-09 12:40:00 Neozonz has quit (Changing host)
1006 2014-03-09 12:40:00 Neozonz has joined
1007 2014-03-09 12:41:44 HeySteve has joined
1008 2014-03-09 12:42:25 Neozonz has quit (Disc!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1009 2014-03-09 12:44:05 phantomspark has joined
1010 2014-03-09 12:44:49 pooler has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1011 2014-03-09 12:45:03 kardan has joined
1012 2014-03-09 12:46:59 TheBison has quit (Quit: TheBison)
1013 2014-03-09 12:47:27 one_zero has quit ()
1014 2014-03-09 12:47:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah, right
1015 2014-03-09 12:49:00 llllllllll has joined
1016 2014-03-09 12:49:01 HeySteve has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1017 2014-03-09 12:50:57 HeySteve has joined
1018 2014-03-09 12:50:57 HeySteve has quit (Changing host)
1019 2014-03-09 12:50:57 HeySteve has joined
1020 2014-03-09 12:52:37 CryptDrift has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1021 2014-03-09 12:52:52 CryptDrift has joined
1022 2014-03-09 12:52:52 CryptDrift has quit (Changing host)
1023 2014-03-09 12:52:52 CryptDrift has joined
1024 2014-03-09 12:53:24 shesek has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1025 2014-03-09 12:55:06 ircuser-6 has joined
1026 2014-03-09 12:55:12 TD has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
1027 2014-03-09 12:55:12 TD_ is now known as TD
1028 2014-03-09 12:55:42 TheBison has joined
1029 2014-03-09 12:56:20 CryptDrift has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1030 2014-03-09 12:58:44 buhbuh_ has quit (Quit: Page closed)
1031 2014-03-09 13:00:48 qwebirc84876 has joined
1032 2014-03-09 13:01:32 HeySteve has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1033 2014-03-09 13:04:19 anton000 has joined
1034 2014-03-09 13:06:19 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1035 2014-03-09 13:07:29 HeySteve has joined
1036 2014-03-09 13:07:29 HeySteve has quit (Changing host)
1037 2014-03-09 13:07:29 HeySteve has joined
1038 2014-03-09 13:07:32 derbumi has joined
1039 2014-03-09 13:08:26 HeySteve has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1040 2014-03-09 13:09:25 W0rmDr1nk has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1041 2014-03-09 13:10:05 derbumi has quit (Client Quit)
1042 2014-03-09 13:11:47 CryptDrift has joined
1043 2014-03-09 13:13:09 jhfgh has joined
1044 2014-03-09 13:13:10 w1zman has joined
1045 2014-03-09 13:14:30 kria has joined
1046 2014-03-09 13:15:19 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1047 2014-03-09 13:15:34 dexX7 has joined
1048 2014-03-09 13:17:36 debiantoruser has joined
1049 2014-03-09 13:18:33 <berndj> TD: i'll have you know that i just checked that an ssh host key during an IP address change is the same as before the change. there are some of us around who wear our tinfoil hats diligently!
1050 2014-03-09 13:18:58 <TD> that's the wrong way around. you would have to check when the _key_ changes, not the IP address
1051 2014-03-09 13:19:32 <petertodd> berndj: you ever heard of monkeysphere?
1052 2014-03-09 13:19:55 <berndj> petertodd, yes! i spammed TD with the link to dkg's essay the other day
1053 2014-03-09 13:20:12 <TD> you did?
1054 2014-03-09 13:20:14 hmsimha has joined
1055 2014-03-09 13:20:19 <TD> i'm not sure i got that
1056 2014-03-09 13:20:36 <berndj> TD: how do i know that a three-letter-agency isn't the one telling me that my host's IP address changed (to an ssh proxy they control)?
1057 2014-03-09 13:20:37 <petertodd> berndj: very interesting project - pity that it doesn't have the interest it deserves given TOFU is good enough for most things...
1058 2014-03-09 13:21:07 <berndj> TD: the "Why does the architecture encourage concentration" link
1059 2014-03-09 13:21:08 W0rmDr1nk has joined
1060 2014-03-09 13:21:13 <petertodd> berndj: if the key is the same in both cases, who cares? (modulo traffic analysis)
1061 2014-03-09 13:21:14 <TD> ah
1062 2014-03-09 13:21:19 <TD> "the other day" being used flexibly :)
1063 2014-03-09 13:21:22 murr4y has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1064 2014-03-09 13:21:26 gpmnlxdw has joined
1065 2014-03-09 13:21:49 <berndj> petertodd, that's what i was checking: that the key fingerprint coming from the new address is the same as what's stored in ~/.ssh/known_hosts
1066 2014-03-09 13:22:55 <petertodd> berndj: right, but ssh does that automatically - that's why it just warns on a ip addr change
1067 2014-03-09 13:23:53 <berndj> petertodd, it didn't do that automatically for me; maybe because my known_hosts is hashed, so it can't know what the appropriate entry to compare to is?
1068 2014-03-09 13:24:06 sirk390 has joined
1069 2014-03-09 13:25:02 <berndj> oh, i think i know what you mean now. i was checking the key *before* i changed the DNS entry, so i was connecting to a random IP address, not a hostname
1070 2014-03-09 13:25:04 <nakedgoat> hey K
1071 2014-03-09 13:25:11 <dexX7> is p2sh redeeming enabled?
1072 2014-03-09 13:25:11 <nakedgoat> why'd you k/b me
1073 2014-03-09 13:25:23 nakedgoat has left ()
1074 2014-03-09 13:25:55 <petertodd> dexX7: been that way for almost three years
1075 2014-03-09 13:26:18 <dexX7> ah thanks
1076 2014-03-09 13:26:22 ppvkignx has joined
1077 2014-03-09 13:26:49 BTC_Bear is now known as hbrntng!~BTC_Bear@unaffiliated/btc-bear/x-5233302|BTC_Bear
1078 2014-03-09 13:27:22 runeks has joined
1079 2014-03-09 13:28:17 CheckDavid has joined
1080 2014-03-09 13:28:56 yubrew has joined
1081 2014-03-09 13:33:31 ThomasV has joined
1082 2014-03-09 13:33:42 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1083 2014-03-09 13:34:31 <runeks> With bitcoind, is it possible to leave a connection slot open for a connecting peer from a certain IP address? I have a home server that's always running bitcoind, and a PC I use sometimes. The PC I use sometimes is set to connect= to the server's bitcoind, which sort of acts like a proxy to the bitcoin network. Now the problem is if the number of connections in maxed out on the server's bitcoind, then my PC's bitcoind can't connect (I
1084 2014-03-09 13:34:31 <runeks> assume, I haven't actually tested if LAN connections are always allowed). Is there a way to fix this?
1085 2014-03-09 13:34:45 nkuttler has joined
1086 2014-03-09 13:35:36 HeySteve has joined
1087 2014-03-09 13:35:42 Dyaheon has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1088 2014-03-09 13:37:09 <dexX7> did you try this command line option? "-bind=<addr> Bind to given address and always listen on it. Use [host]:port notation for IPv6"
1089 2014-03-09 13:39:51 Dyaheon has joined
1090 2014-03-09 13:42:01 Emzy has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
1091 2014-03-09 13:43:08 nsh has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1092 2014-03-09 13:43:17 troj has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1093 2014-03-09 13:44:07 upb has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1094 2014-03-09 13:44:16 di_sc has joined
1095 2014-03-09 13:44:30 pierreatwork has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1096 2014-03-09 13:47:03 arubi has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1097 2014-03-09 13:47:39 Coincourse has joined
1098 2014-03-09 13:48:07 <runeks> dexX7: What does that do exactly? I'm not trying to override maxconnections, just leave one slot open for LAN.
1099 2014-03-09 13:48:20 <runeks> I'm trying out an iptables rule now, will report back if it works.
1100 2014-03-09 13:48:21 ibtc has quit (Read error: No route to host)
1101 2014-03-09 13:48:44 <dexX7> it sounds to me as this is what you need: "listen, and always listen, to defined connection"
1102 2014-03-09 13:50:49 jhfgh has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1103 2014-03-09 13:50:58 jakov has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1104 2014-03-09 13:51:13 upb has joined
1105 2014-03-09 13:51:37 troj has joined
1106 2014-03-09 13:52:03 jhfgh has joined
1107 2014-03-09 13:52:05 discoffee has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1108 2014-03-09 13:52:32 <waxwing> are 0.00001 fees already accepted by nodes as of now?
1109 2014-03-09 13:53:31 askmike has joined
1110 2014-03-09 13:54:16 Coincourse has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
1111 2014-03-09 13:54:41 dhill has joined
1112 2014-03-09 13:54:53 jhfgh has quit (Client Quit)
1113 2014-03-09 13:54:55 basva_ has joined
1114 2014-03-09 13:55:18 askmike_ has joined
1115 2014-03-09 13:56:05 dlunch has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1116 2014-03-09 13:56:41 dlunch has joined
1117 2014-03-09 13:57:59 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1118 2014-03-09 13:58:17 nsh has joined
1119 2014-03-09 13:58:17 nsh has quit (Client Quit)
1120 2014-03-09 13:58:53 use_zfs_yo has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
1121 2014-03-09 13:59:00 <runeks> dexX7: As far as I can see, this allows me to listen on a non-standard port, which would work if it didn't stop listening on port 8333 at the same time.
1122 2014-03-09 13:59:28 basva_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1123 2014-03-09 14:00:34 askmike_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1124 2014-03-09 14:03:07 HeySteve has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1125 2014-03-09 14:04:39 <warren> waxwing: no
1126 2014-03-09 14:04:50 <waxwing> thx warren
1127 2014-03-09 14:05:44 j^ has joined
1128 2014-03-09 14:06:14 jhfgh has joined
1129 2014-03-09 14:07:01 oPen_syLar has joined
1130 2014-03-09 14:07:01 oPen_syLar has quit (Changing host)
1131 2014-03-09 14:07:02 oPen_syLar has joined
1132 2014-03-09 14:07:56 phoenix52 has joined
1133 2014-03-09 14:14:42 pfallenop has joined
1134 2014-03-09 14:15:49 Coincidental has joined
1135 2014-03-09 14:15:56 espringe has joined
1136 2014-03-09 14:16:04 CryptoBuck has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1137 2014-03-09 14:16:34 CryptoBuck has joined
1138 2014-03-09 14:16:51 sneak has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1139 2014-03-09 14:17:46 sneak has joined
1140 2014-03-09 14:18:46 antephialtic has joined
1141 2014-03-09 14:21:13 oPen_syLar has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1142 2014-03-09 14:23:22 yubrew has joined
1143 2014-03-09 14:27:08 <airbreather> So I've got my custom node implementation doing the 500-blocks-at-a-time walk with Bitcoin 0.8.6-beta, both of them sitting on the same machine. Is there a known reason why everything might grind to a crawl for a short span starting around block #51728, and various seemingly arbitrary spans later on in the chain? "grind to a crawl" = very slow progress, but very little CPU or disk usage by eit
1144 2014-03-09 14:27:08 <airbreather> her my node or the official node
1145 2014-03-09 14:27:19 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1146 2014-03-09 14:27:49 <airbreather> I've been assuming it's something I'm doing, but it's been bugging me for a while.
1147 2014-03-09 14:28:51 Coincidental has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1148 2014-03-09 14:29:52 smash has joined
1149 2014-03-09 14:32:28 CryptDrift has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1150 2014-03-09 14:34:14 Emzy has joined
1151 2014-03-09 14:34:37 smash has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1152 2014-03-09 14:34:54 Adlai has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1153 2014-03-09 14:35:26 Emzy has quit (Client Quit)
1154 2014-03-09 14:35:35 Emzy has joined
1155 2014-03-09 14:35:52 KillYourTV has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1156 2014-03-09 14:38:42 Belxjander has quit (Quit: Sayonara)
1157 2014-03-09 14:38:48 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1158 2014-03-09 14:39:59 Belxjander has joined
1159 2014-03-09 14:40:59 rdymac has quit (Excess Flood)
1160 2014-03-09 14:41:02 debiantoruser has joined
1161 2014-03-09 14:41:27 msvb-lab has quit (Quit: msvb-lab)
1162 2014-03-09 14:41:57 TD has quit (Quit: TD)
1163 2014-03-09 14:43:01 jhfgh has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1164 2014-03-09 14:44:49 c0rw1n has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1165 2014-03-09 14:45:33 rdymac has joined
1166 2014-03-09 14:53:49 tombtc has joined
1167 2014-03-09 14:53:56 basva_ has joined
1168 2014-03-09 14:56:40 askmike has joined
1169 2014-03-09 14:57:21 CryptDrift has joined
1170 2014-03-09 14:57:22 CryptDrift has quit (Changing host)
1171 2014-03-09 14:57:22 CryptDrift has joined
1172 2014-03-09 14:57:34 KillYourTV has joined
1173 2014-03-09 14:57:59 jhfgh has joined
1174 2014-03-09 15:00:51 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1175 2014-03-09 15:05:05 nickler has joined
1176 2014-03-09 15:09:14 gpmnlxdw has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1177 2014-03-09 15:09:22 wallet42 has joined
1178 2014-03-09 15:09:48 anton000 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1179 2014-03-09 15:13:29 wallet42 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1180 2014-03-09 15:14:52 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1181 2014-03-09 15:14:54 chmod755 has joined
1182 2014-03-09 15:15:13 Emzy has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1183 2014-03-09 15:15:30 Emzy has joined
1184 2014-03-09 15:15:38 debiantoruser has joined
1185 2014-03-09 15:16:04 Emzy has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1186 2014-03-09 15:16:21 Emzy has joined
1187 2014-03-09 15:18:29 Plinker_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1188 2014-03-09 15:19:12 sbrossie has joined
1189 2014-03-09 15:20:23 use_zfs_yo has joined
1190 2014-03-09 15:20:51 Plinker_ has joined
1191 2014-03-09 15:21:01 oPen_syLar has joined
1192 2014-03-09 15:22:12 llllllllll has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1193 2014-03-09 15:22:42 llllllllll has joined
1194 2014-03-09 15:23:41 daybyter has joined
1195 2014-03-09 15:24:38 <espringe> Under what conditions are transactions pushed out bitcoinds mempool? [Other than the transaction appearing the in the blockchain]
1196 2014-03-09 15:25:48 smash has joined
1197 2014-03-09 15:27:08 smash_ has joined
1198 2014-03-09 15:27:10 derbumi has joined
1199 2014-03-09 15:30:49 smash has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1200 2014-03-09 15:33:33 pierreatwork has joined
1201 2014-03-09 15:36:49 anton000 has joined
1202 2014-03-09 15:37:28 anton000 has quit (Changing host)
1203 2014-03-09 15:37:28 anton000 has joined
1204 2014-03-09 15:38:56 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1205 2014-03-09 15:40:39 debiantoruser has joined
1206 2014-03-09 15:41:52 <CheckDavid> How are things such as master coin related to this channel?
1207 2014-03-09 15:45:27 cagedwisdom has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1208 2014-03-09 15:46:42 gpmnlxdw has joined
1209 2014-03-09 15:47:16 CryptDrift has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1210 2014-03-09 15:49:49 c0rw1n has joined
1211 2014-03-09 15:50:06 Manfred_Karrer has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1212 2014-03-09 15:50:19 jhfgh has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1213 2014-03-09 15:50:38 c0rw1n has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1214 2014-03-09 15:50:58 derbumi has quit (Quit: derbumi)
1215 2014-03-09 15:51:05 c0rw1n has joined
1216 2014-03-09 15:52:38 wallet42 has joined
1217 2014-03-09 15:56:17 askmike has joined
1218 2014-03-09 15:56:18 c0rw1n has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1219 2014-03-09 15:56:27 pierreatwork has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1220 2014-03-09 15:56:31 discoffee has joined
1221 2014-03-09 15:57:21 pierreatwork has joined
1222 2014-03-09 16:01:01 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1223 2014-03-09 16:04:34 jhfgh has joined
1224 2014-03-09 16:05:36 Subo1977 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1225 2014-03-09 16:06:06 TD has joined
1226 2014-03-09 16:06:36 gavinandresen has joined
1227 2014-03-09 16:07:10 derbumi has joined
1228 2014-03-09 16:09:26 Raziel has joined
1229 2014-03-09 16:09:55 JWU42 has joined
1230 2014-03-09 16:11:46 nullp has joined
1231 2014-03-09 16:15:00 Manfred_Karrer has joined
1232 2014-03-09 16:16:15 buggin_out1 has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1233 2014-03-09 16:16:44 <Emcy> espringe the only deterministic condition for losing txs from mempool is a node restard right now afaik
1234 2014-03-09 16:17:06 <Emcy> there are plans to expire txs properly though i think
1235 2014-03-09 16:17:34 msvb-lab has joined
1236 2014-03-09 16:17:53 <espringe> Emcy: Interesting. Thanks. Good to know
1237 2014-03-09 16:18:51 <espringe> Out of interest, would someone be able to run "bitcoind getrawmempool | wc -l " who has had a node running for a long time :D
1238 2014-03-09 16:19:48 <espringe> Mine has 1541 transactions in it -- but it's crashed sometime yesterday
1239 2014-03-09 16:19:56 <Emcy> whats that supposed to do
1240 2014-03-09 16:20:05 <espringe> Just count how many in the mempool
1241 2014-03-09 16:20:22 <espringe> As in, count the lines of output from 'bitcoind getrawmempool'
1242 2014-03-09 16:21:08 <Emcy> oh
1243 2014-03-09 16:21:12 Subo1977 has joined
1244 2014-03-09 16:21:19 <Emcy> 1500 seems low
1245 2014-03-09 16:21:26 Belxjander has quit (Quit: System Restarting!!!)
1246 2014-03-09 16:21:32 <espringe> Yeah, that's what I'm wondering
1247 2014-03-09 16:21:35 <Emcy> maybe people are actually mining decent blocks now
1248 2014-03-09 16:24:47 <Emcy> hmm not a shole lot of dice site spam on bc.info now, has that really stopped
1249 2014-03-09 16:24:52 <Emcy> or did they just remove the labels
1250 2014-03-09 16:25:57 _ImI_ has joined
1251 2014-03-09 16:27:56 draino has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1252 2014-03-09 16:27:56 paveljanik has joined
1253 2014-03-09 16:28:10 Belxjander has joined
1254 2014-03-09 16:29:42 Rhessinge has joined
1255 2014-03-09 16:29:58 HeySteve has joined
1256 2014-03-09 16:30:21 derbumi has quit (Quit: derbumi)
1257 2014-03-09 16:31:10 AmThatsMe has joined
1258 2014-03-09 16:35:19 <anton000> any news on this? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1021898 and this https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1020292 ??
1259 2014-03-09 16:38:40 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1260 2014-03-09 16:39:30 basva_ has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
1261 2014-03-09 16:40:28 <Emcy> secp256k1 has patents?
1262 2014-03-09 16:40:44 debiantoruser has joined
1263 2014-03-09 16:41:10 <anton000> redhat's just being crazy / unreasonable
1264 2014-03-09 16:41:35 <anton000> # openssl ecparam -list_curves
1265 2014-03-09 16:41:35 <anton000> secp384r1 : NIST/SECG curve over a 384 bit prime field
1266 2014-03-09 16:41:35 <anton000> prime256v1: X9.62/SECG curve over a 256 bit prime field
1267 2014-03-09 16:41:43 <anton000> only those 2 curves available
1268 2014-03-09 16:41:45 <anton000> wtf
1269 2014-03-09 16:41:47 <anton000> lol
1270 2014-03-09 16:42:15 OneMiner has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1271 2014-03-09 16:42:32 <Emcy> omg i cant believe BTC people are still having to explain to distro people why they cant just unbundle all of bitcoins stuff for packaging and distribution
1272 2014-03-09 16:42:46 Soligor has joined
1273 2014-03-09 16:43:20 phantomspark has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1274 2014-03-09 16:43:38 <Emcy> Who would have thought you cant just explain why bitcoin is the first software why that is a really really bad idea to these people who are supposed to be intelligent and thoughtful enough
1275 2014-03-09 16:43:40 <petertodd> Emcy: consensus-critical is novel software engineering used no-where else
1276 2014-03-09 16:43:55 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
1277 2014-03-09 16:44:12 <petertodd> Emcy: also, most people rely very heavily on their education and not so heavily on their critical thinking
1278 2014-03-09 16:44:17 <Emcy> yes i know, but i get why its a really bad idea to do that and i dont maintain a distro, im just a pleb. Why can they get it
1279 2014-03-09 16:44:26 <Emcy> or is it "no no no thats not how we usually do things"
1280 2014-03-09 16:44:32 <dhill> where does the value nFPRate in bloom.cpp come from?
1281 2014-03-09 16:45:01 <espringe> "I submit this package now that EC crypto has been enabled in Fedora"
1282 2014-03-09 16:45:04 <espringe> At last!
1283 2014-03-09 16:45:13 <petertodd> Emcy: at my last job I got to amuse myself every summer by having our lowly techs beat our engineering summer students - and often in theory rather than just practical matters!
1284 2014-03-09 16:45:19 <Emcy> petertodd yes that might be right. Im just surprised to read that this is still being argued out when i remember that letter being wirtten to opensuse about it like 2 years ago or whatever
1285 2014-03-09 16:45:25 <espringe> I'm sick of rebuilding openssl
1286 2014-03-09 16:45:51 OneMiner has joined
1287 2014-03-09 16:45:52 <petertodd> dhill: false positive rate - the lower that is the less privacy you have (most bloom-using apps have very little in exchange for very little bandwidth usage)
1288 2014-03-09 16:46:48 <petertodd> dhill: e.g. IIRC android wallet's bloom filter has 1-in-16,000th or so specificity, thus whenever you query your peer, you are essentially giving them enough info to rule out all but 1/16,000 transactions if they want to figure out what coins are in your wallet
1289 2014-03-09 16:47:01 <dhill> i am trying to figure out where it is set though.
1290 2014-03-09 16:47:33 <dhill> it isnt part of filterload
1291 2014-03-09 16:47:51 <anton000> im about this close to ditching fedora on our prod servers really...
1292 2014-03-09 16:48:55 <dhill> where does the value get set in the code?
1293 2014-03-09 16:49:29 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1294 2014-03-09 16:50:39 <petertodd> dhill: it's not really set; it's a parameter to CBloomFilter that in turn sets other things
1295 2014-03-09 16:50:51 <petertodd> (the CBloomFilter constructor)
1296 2014-03-09 16:50:53 Ksipax has joined
1297 2014-03-09 16:52:23 basva_ has joined
1298 2014-03-09 16:53:20 HeySteve has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
1299 2014-03-09 16:53:32 <jrick> petertodd: I believe what he's asking is where a constructor is called that sets that value
1300 2014-03-09 16:53:47 <jrick> I tried looking for it yesterday and couldn't find anyplace that did
1301 2014-03-09 16:53:56 <jrick> but maybe my c++ groking skills aren't as good as I thought
1302 2014-03-09 16:54:13 Lexa has joined
1303 2014-03-09 16:54:23 <petertodd> jrick: I thikn it's the latter - it's C++'s special constructor directly initializes other constructors syntax (dunno what that's called off the top of my head)
1304 2014-03-09 16:54:37 spinza has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
1305 2014-03-09 16:54:43 spinza has joined
1306 2014-03-09 16:55:42 <espringe> Constructor initialization list?
1307 2014-03-09 16:55:50 <petertodd> espringe: rings a bell
1308 2014-03-09 16:55:53 <dhill> it isn't in there
1309 2014-03-09 16:56:17 askmike has joined
1310 2014-03-09 16:56:46 debiantoruser has joined
1311 2014-03-09 16:56:54 <petertodd> dhill: CBloomFilter::CBloomFilter(unsigned int nElements, double nFPRate, unsigned int nTweakIn, unsigned char nFlagsIn) :
1312 2014-03-09 16:56:59 gpmnlxdw has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1313 2014-03-09 16:57:04 <petertodd> line #20 bloom.cpp
1314 2014-03-09 16:57:11 TD has quit (Quit: TD)
1315 2014-03-09 16:57:15 <dhill> right
1316 2014-03-09 16:57:16 <jrick> oic
1317 2014-03-09 16:57:25 <dhill> but where is it set
1318 2014-03-09 16:57:33 <jrick> dhill let me explain it
1319 2014-03-09 16:57:36 <jrick> once I pull the source back up :)
1320 2014-03-09 16:57:47 <dhill> oh c++ you drive me nuts
1321 2014-03-09 16:57:49 <dhill> :)
1322 2014-03-09 16:58:08 <jrick> wait
1323 2014-03-09 16:58:17 <jrick> ah
1324 2014-03-09 16:58:18 <jrick> nHashFuncs(min((unsigned int)(vData.size() * 8 / nElements * LN2), MAX_HASH_FUNCS)),
1325 2014-03-09 16:58:46 <dhill> taht sets nHashFuncs
1326 2014-03-09 16:58:54 <petertodd> dhill: here's a python version without crazy syntax: https://github.com/petertodd/python-bitcoinlib/blob/master/bitcoin/bloom.py#L95
1327 2014-03-09 16:58:58 <jrick> erm
1328 2014-03-09 16:59:10 TD has joined
1329 2014-03-09 16:59:45 <petertodd> dhill: (though that's missing half of the implementation of bloom...)
1330 2014-03-09 17:00:12 <jrick> yeah I'm not going to pretend to understand this constructor
1331 2014-03-09 17:00:26 <jrick> c++ >>> jrick
1332 2014-03-09 17:00:30 <dhill> yea, i still don't understand that python either
1333 2014-03-09 17:00:42 Starduster has joined
1334 2014-03-09 17:00:51 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1335 2014-03-09 17:01:13 <petertodd> dhill: what don't you understand? you initialize a bloom filter object, set the *inherent* false positive rate of it, then add things for it to match after
1336 2014-03-09 17:01:29 <dhill> i dont get where it is being set
1337 2014-03-09 17:02:51 <petertodd> dhill: in the constructor! it's not beign set after all, it's a parameter that sets other parameters, like how big the bloom filter is
1338 2014-03-09 17:02:53 Rhessinge has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1339 2014-03-09 17:03:28 <jrick> petertodd: do you have an example of calling that constructor in the python you linked?
1340 2014-03-09 17:03:41 Rhessinge has joined
1341 2014-03-09 17:03:50 CheckDavid has quit ()
1342 2014-03-09 17:04:04 <petertodd> https://github.com/petertodd/python-bitcoinlib/blob/master/bitcoin/tests/test_bloom.py
1343 2014-03-09 17:04:42 <petertodd> I've got some actual code using it too, but no on this computer. (it implements the bloom IO DoS attack; why I haven't gotten around to implementing the merkle branch side of that code)
1344 2014-03-09 17:05:00 <dhill> ok, i see it there
1345 2014-03-09 17:05:00 _ImI_ has joined
1346 2014-03-09 17:05:03 <jrick> yeah so that makes sence, filter = CBloomFilter(3, 0.01, 0, CBloomFilter.UPDATE_ALL) calls the constructor with nFPRate=0.01
1347 2014-03-09 17:05:37 <petertodd> pretty sure I copied those testcases from the bitcoin ones too, so you can look there to see how it's called in the C++ code
1348 2014-03-09 17:05:43 yubrew has joined
1349 2014-03-09 17:05:53 <dhill> well
1350 2014-03-09 17:05:55 <dhill> CBloomFilter filter(3, 0.01, 0, BLOOM_UPDATE_ALL);
1351 2014-03-09 17:05:58 <dhill> that makes sense
1352 2014-03-09 17:06:07 <dhill> but, how about in filterload strCommand
1353 2014-03-09 17:06:56 <jrick> dhill I think what's confusing you is the false positive rate isn't a private member, it's a parameter that sets private members if you don't call the default consturctor
1354 2014-03-09 17:07:05 <petertodd> well in that case the bloom filter was constructed by your peer, not you
1355 2014-03-09 17:07:26 <petertodd> it's like asking why the length of a serialized array isn't being set in the code that receives that array over the network
1356 2014-03-09 17:07:29 venzen has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1357 2014-03-09 17:07:58 wiz has joined
1358 2014-03-09 17:08:07 <dhill> ok
1359 2014-03-09 17:08:33 <petertodd> dhill: remember that nowhere in the bitcoin core code are bloom filters ever *constructed* other than the unit tests
1360 2014-03-09 17:08:48 venzen has joined
1361 2014-03-09 17:08:58 axvf has joined
1362 2014-03-09 17:08:59 axvf has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1363 2014-03-09 17:09:09 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1364 2014-03-09 17:09:27 axvf has joined
1365 2014-03-09 17:09:30 <jrick> welp well that's enough c++ for one day
1366 2014-03-09 17:09:34 <petertodd> heh
1367 2014-03-09 17:09:41 <petertodd> yeah, gotta catch a flight myself
1368 2014-03-09 17:10:03 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1369 2014-03-09 17:10:14 <jcorgan> c;
1370 2014-03-09 17:10:20 jtimon has joined
1371 2014-03-09 17:10:43 <Rhessinge> I used importprivkey to import a private address, but the address showed up in Adresses tab, not Recieve.
1372 2014-03-09 17:10:49 pierreatwork has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1373 2014-03-09 17:11:01 <Rhessinge> version 0.8.6 linux
1374 2014-03-09 17:11:05 debiantoruser has joined
1375 2014-03-09 17:11:07 greg has joined
1376 2014-03-09 17:13:18 vegard_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1377 2014-03-09 17:13:31 just[dead] is now known as justanotheruser
1378 2014-03-09 17:13:33 spin123456 has joined
1379 2014-03-09 17:13:33 spinza has quit (Disconnected by services)
1380 2014-03-09 17:13:37 <Rhessinge> When I used the same command to import it again, I got error -4 but now it is in Recieve tab
1381 2014-03-09 17:14:04 spin123456 has left ()
1382 2014-03-09 17:14:22 spinza has joined
1383 2014-03-09 17:14:41 vegard has joined
1384 2014-03-09 17:15:40 <Rhessinge> I tried it again, and the same thing happened
1385 2014-03-09 17:16:51 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1386 2014-03-09 17:16:52 EagleTM has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1387 2014-03-09 17:18:45 t3st3r has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1388 2014-03-09 17:18:46 debiantoruser has joined
1389 2014-03-09 17:21:33 greg has quit (Quit: greg)
1390 2014-03-09 17:22:25 owowo has joined
1391 2014-03-09 17:24:03 greg has joined
1392 2014-03-09 17:24:48 nsh has joined
1393 2014-03-09 17:24:49 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1394 2014-03-09 17:24:56 verwilst has joined
1395 2014-03-09 17:25:23 jhfgh has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1396 2014-03-09 17:26:02 bbbrian has joined
1397 2014-03-09 17:26:50 debiantoruser has joined
1398 2014-03-09 17:27:38 JMG99 has joined
1399 2014-03-09 17:28:15 greg has quit (Client Quit)
1400 2014-03-09 17:28:21 neuroMode has joined
1401 2014-03-09 17:28:53 use_zfs_yo has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
1402 2014-03-09 17:29:32 SuSEno has joined
1403 2014-03-09 17:30:09 greg has joined
1404 2014-03-09 17:32:13 phoenix52 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1405 2014-03-09 17:33:09 phoenix52 has joined
1406 2014-03-09 17:34:45 j^ has left ()
1407 2014-03-09 17:35:23 testnode9 has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
1408 2014-03-09 17:35:36 <Rhessinge> Anybody here? It's a potential bug
1409 2014-03-09 17:36:11 <Luke-Jr> Rhessinge: ?
1410 2014-03-09 17:36:17 <edcba> yes plenty of ppl here
1411 2014-03-09 17:36:18 <Rhessinge> Yep. I'll explain
1412 2014-03-09 17:36:27 <Rhessinge> On Ubuntu Live Distro
1413 2014-03-09 17:36:37 <Rhessinge> Using Bitcoin 0.8.6 Linux version
1414 2014-03-09 17:36:42 sserrano44 has joined
1415 2014-03-09 17:36:54 <Rhessinge> Run bitcoin qt 64 bit with bash setting datadir
1416 2014-03-09 17:37:28 <Rhessinge> I use console window to import private key, and the adress shows up in Adress Book
1417 2014-03-09 17:37:42 <Luke-Jr> oh, you said that already..
1418 2014-03-09 17:38:00 <Rhessinge> I run the same command in console, and get error -4, but this time the adress shows up in the Recieve adresses
1419 2014-03-09 17:38:11 <Rhessinge> Luke-Jr I thought no one paid attention
1420 2014-03-09 17:38:44 <Luke-Jr> possibly
1421 2014-03-09 17:39:16 <Rhessinge> It would have been noticed if this was always the behavior, so it has to be some weird behavior because of environment
1422 2014-03-09 17:41:10 nsh_ has joined
1423 2014-03-09 17:41:26 jhfgh has joined
1424 2014-03-09 17:41:42 <Rhessinge> You don't want me to make a GitHub issue, right?
1425 2014-03-09 17:42:03 Phrak79 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1426 2014-03-09 17:42:34 nsh_ has quit (Changing host)
1427 2014-03-09 17:42:34 nsh_ has joined
1428 2014-03-09 17:42:42 antephialtic has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1429 2014-03-09 17:43:03 nsh has quit (Disconnected by services)
1430 2014-03-09 17:43:04 nsh_ is now known as nsh
1431 2014-03-09 17:43:05 <Luke-Jr> Rhessinge: might as well
1432 2014-03-09 17:44:48 nowan has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1433 2014-03-09 17:45:15 hmsimha has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1434 2014-03-09 17:45:36 antephialtic has joined
1435 2014-03-09 17:48:16 wallet42 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1436 2014-03-09 17:49:39 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1437 2014-03-09 17:50:34 axisz has joined
1438 2014-03-09 17:51:26 axisz has quit (Client Quit)
1439 2014-03-09 17:51:52 debiantoruser has joined
1440 2014-03-09 17:52:55 qupop has joined
1441 2014-03-09 17:53:00 nowan has joined
1442 2014-03-09 17:53:03 sbrossie1 has joined
1443 2014-03-09 17:53:29 sbrossie has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1444 2014-03-09 17:53:40 greg has quit (Quit: greg)
1445 2014-03-09 17:54:09 dustcoin has joined
1446 2014-03-09 17:54:12 Rhessinge has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1447 2014-03-09 17:54:15 kobayashi_ has joined
1448 2014-03-09 17:54:42 greg has joined
1449 2014-03-09 17:54:53 CBit has joined
1450 2014-03-09 17:54:53 drenllateno has joined
1451 2014-03-09 17:54:55 Rhessinge has joined
1452 2014-03-09 17:55:34 drenllateno has quit (Client Quit)
1453 2014-03-09 17:56:36 askmike has joined
1454 2014-03-09 17:57:30 antephialtic has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1455 2014-03-09 17:58:26 askmike_ has joined
1456 2014-03-09 17:59:16 hmsimha has joined
1457 2014-03-09 17:59:52 yubrew has joined
1458 2014-03-09 18:00:03 InsiderJoe has joined
1459 2014-03-09 18:00:42 jeewee has joined
1460 2014-03-09 18:01:01 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1461 2014-03-09 18:01:03 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
1462 2014-03-09 18:01:45 Really_Bad_Boy has joined
1463 2014-03-09 18:01:50 OperatorSyn has joined
1464 2014-03-09 18:02:29 askmike_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1465 2014-03-09 18:03:13 <TheSeven> what's the easiest way to dump a network wide transaction log for a given time range?
1466 2014-03-09 18:03:25 InsiderJ_ has joined
1467 2014-03-09 18:03:44 marmoreal has joined
1468 2014-03-09 18:03:47 Really_Bad_Boy has quit ()
1469 2014-03-09 18:04:00 <TheSeven> or, ideally, insert all (parseable, standard) transactions into a databse so that I can query them
1470 2014-03-09 18:04:19 InsiderJoe has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1471 2014-03-09 18:04:29 SuSEno has left ()
1472 2014-03-09 18:04:32 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1473 2014-03-09 18:05:03 AmThatsMe has quit (Quit: AmThatsMe)
1474 2014-03-09 18:05:27 <Rhessinge> Made the issue now: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3831
1475 2014-03-09 18:05:48 marmoreal has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1476 2014-03-09 18:05:57 <Rhessinge> Too noob on GitHub to know if proper issue etiquette
1477 2014-03-09 18:06:19 OperatorSyn has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1478 2014-03-09 18:07:12 <Luke-Jr> TheSeven: parse the blockchain yourself, is pretty much the only way
1479 2014-03-09 18:07:30 wallet42 has joined
1480 2014-03-09 18:08:33 <TheSeven> hmpf.
1481 2014-03-09 18:08:38 <comboy> TheSeven: http://dumps.webbtc.com/bitcoin/
1482 2014-03-09 18:08:49 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1483 2014-03-09 18:09:10 <TheSeven> what exactly do those contain?
1484 2014-03-09 18:09:13 derbumi has joined
1485 2014-03-09 18:09:19 dansmith_btc2 has joined
1486 2014-03-09 18:09:20 dansmith_btc2 has quit (Client Quit)
1487 2014-03-09 18:09:29 <comboy> blockchain in database, tables like blk tx txin txout blk_tx and so on
1488 2014-03-09 18:09:41 nsh has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1489 2014-03-09 18:09:49 * TheSeven wonders if he has enough space here to even extract that ;)
1490 2014-03-09 18:10:07 <TheSeven> kinda funny that the gzipped sql pretty much matches the size of the blockchain
1491 2014-03-09 18:10:15 <comboy> 40G uncompressed
1492 2014-03-09 18:10:36 <TheSeven> hm... getting fairly low throughput on that file, will take more than a day to download :/
1493 2014-03-09 18:10:42 debiantoruser has joined
1494 2014-03-09 18:11:10 <comboy> well, can't help with that
1495 2014-03-09 18:11:24 InsiderJoe has joined
1496 2014-03-09 18:11:40 nullp has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
1497 2014-03-09 18:13:46 Guest__ has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâ¦)
1498 2014-03-09 18:13:49 InsiderJ_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1499 2014-03-09 18:14:16 Namworld has joined
1500 2014-03-09 18:14:47 Rhessinge has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1501 2014-03-09 18:14:55 JackH has joined
1502 2014-03-09 18:15:15 andytoshi has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1503 2014-03-09 18:15:36 greg has quit (Quit: greg)
1504 2014-03-09 18:15:56 shesek has joined
1505 2014-03-09 18:16:26 OperatorSyn has joined
1506 2014-03-09 18:17:40 di_sc has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1507 2014-03-09 18:17:49 wallet42 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1508 2014-03-09 18:17:49 llllllllll has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1509 2014-03-09 18:17:49 InsiderJoe has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1510 2014-03-09 18:18:22 <TheSeven> comboy: are you hosting that file?
1511 2014-03-09 18:18:57 basva_ has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
1512 2014-03-09 18:20:08 hsmiths has quit (Quit: bit)
1513 2014-03-09 18:20:38 basva__ has joined
1514 2014-03-09 18:20:39 JackH has quit (Quit: JackH)
1515 2014-03-09 18:21:06 JackH has joined
1516 2014-03-09 18:21:22 banghouse has joined
1517 2014-03-09 18:22:24 <comboy> nope, mhanne is (afaik)
1518 2014-03-09 18:22:33 basva__ has quit (Client Quit)
1519 2014-03-09 18:23:23 jakov has joined
1520 2014-03-09 18:23:23 jakov has quit (Changing host)
1521 2014-03-09 18:23:23 jakov has joined
1522 2014-03-09 18:24:04 hsmiths has joined
1523 2014-03-09 18:24:13 petcat has joined
1524 2014-03-09 18:24:38 basva__ has joined
1525 2014-03-09 18:24:45 InsiderJoe has joined
1526 2014-03-09 18:24:54 derbumi has quit (Quit: derbumi)
1527 2014-03-09 18:25:19 JackH has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1528 2014-03-09 18:26:05 Chief_Panda has left ("Leaving")
1529 2014-03-09 18:26:17 banghouse has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1530 2014-03-09 18:26:34 Coincidental has joined
1531 2014-03-09 18:26:50 OperatorSyn has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1532 2014-03-09 18:27:46 <dexX7> TheSeven: depending on the amount of data, it may be fine to use the rpc interface.. get all blocks within your timeframe and then query for each tx
1533 2014-03-09 18:29:52 MaxSan has joined
1534 2014-03-09 18:29:54 Dizzle has joined
1535 2014-03-09 18:30:51 Coincidental has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1536 2014-03-09 18:30:51 OperatorSyn has joined
1537 2014-03-09 18:31:21 GhostJump has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1538 2014-03-09 18:31:39 nsh has joined
1539 2014-03-09 18:32:14 jordandotdev has joined
1540 2014-03-09 18:33:19 InsiderJoe has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1541 2014-03-09 18:34:24 Dizzle has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1542 2014-03-09 18:34:36 InsiderJoe has joined
1543 2014-03-09 18:35:33 nullp has joined
1544 2014-03-09 18:35:42 pooler has joined
1545 2014-03-09 18:36:04 nova90 has joined
1546 2014-03-09 18:36:51 porquilho has joined
1547 2014-03-09 18:37:19 OperatorSyn has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1548 2014-03-09 18:37:31 llllllllll has joined
1549 2014-03-09 18:37:42 <TheSeven> dexX7: it's more or less the last 2 years of history, so most of the blockchain
1550 2014-03-09 18:37:48 jeewee has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1551 2014-03-09 18:38:22 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1552 2014-03-09 18:38:24 <dexX7> then i guess downloading the file is faster than building your own parser and starting to index yourself
1553 2014-03-09 18:39:44 debiantoruser has joined
1554 2014-03-09 18:40:51 jumpnmove has joined
1555 2014-03-09 18:41:15 jumpnmove is now known as Guest49048
1556 2014-03-09 18:41:33 OperatorSyn has joined
1557 2014-03-09 18:42:29 Klumben has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1558 2014-03-09 18:42:49 InsiderJoe has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1559 2014-03-09 18:44:19 nsh has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1560 2014-03-09 18:46:19 pierreatwork has joined
1561 2014-03-09 18:47:29 bbbrian has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1562 2014-03-09 18:48:43 * TheSeven tries streaming that file live into a database, to save on importing time
1563 2014-03-09 18:49:40 derbumi has joined
1564 2014-03-09 18:49:42 ericmuyser has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1565 2014-03-09 18:50:36 basva__ has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
1566 2014-03-09 18:50:58 nsh has joined
1567 2014-03-09 18:50:59 Klumben has joined
1568 2014-03-09 18:51:09 W0rmDr1nk has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1569 2014-03-09 18:51:21 <dexX7> what are you trying to accomplish in the first place?
1570 2014-03-09 18:51:46 basva___ has joined
1571 2014-03-09 18:51:57 daybyter has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
1572 2014-03-09 18:52:02 <espringe> After a chain reorganization, are transactions that are not in the new chain (but in the previous chain) automatically put back into the mempool [Assuming they don't conflict, of course] ?
1573 2014-03-09 18:52:07 Guyver2 has joined
1574 2014-03-09 18:53:07 <TD> yes
1575 2014-03-09 18:53:19 <TD> unless they are double spent/killed, in which case they are deleted
1576 2014-03-09 18:54:04 yubrew has joined
1577 2014-03-09 18:54:06 johnsoft has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1578 2014-03-09 18:54:18 Guest49048 has quit (Quit: bye)
1579 2014-03-09 18:54:32 johnsoft has joined
1580 2014-03-09 18:54:43 GhostJump has joined
1581 2014-03-09 18:55:12 basva___ has quit (Client Quit)
1582 2014-03-09 18:55:44 W0rmDr1nk has joined
1583 2014-03-09 18:56:15 jhfgh has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1584 2014-03-09 18:56:17 InsiderJoe has joined
1585 2014-03-09 18:56:19 askmike has joined
1586 2014-03-09 18:57:03 GhostJump has quit (Changing host)
1587 2014-03-09 18:57:03 GhostJump has joined
1588 2014-03-09 18:58:49 OperatorSyn has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1589 2014-03-09 18:59:13 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1590 2014-03-09 18:59:34 OperatorSyn has joined
1591 2014-03-09 18:59:58 uiop has joined
1592 2014-03-09 19:00:49 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1593 2014-03-09 19:00:50 InsiderJoe has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1594 2014-03-09 19:01:03 Adlai has joined
1595 2014-03-09 19:01:06 Adlai has quit (K-Lined)
1596 2014-03-09 19:01:20 derbumi has quit (Quit: derbumi)
1597 2014-03-09 19:02:49 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1598 2014-03-09 19:04:03 uiop has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1599 2014-03-09 19:04:10 Mallstromm has joined
1600 2014-03-09 19:04:30 jeewee has joined
1601 2014-03-09 19:04:48 debiantoruser has joined
1602 2014-03-09 19:05:03 sserrano44 has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
1603 2014-03-09 19:05:30 Emzy_ has joined
1604 2014-03-09 19:06:26 <shesek> TD, how can they be killed other than getting double spent?
1605 2014-03-09 19:06:26 Emzy has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1606 2014-03-09 19:06:27 Emzy_ is now known as Emzy
1607 2014-03-09 19:07:00 <TD> i.e. depending on a double spent tx, or on a coinbase that got re-orgd out, or being such a coinbase
1608 2014-03-09 19:07:07 <TD> i'm using the term "killed" in the sense bitcoinj uses it
1609 2014-03-09 19:07:10 Coincidental has joined
1610 2014-03-09 19:08:24 antephialtic has joined
1611 2014-03-09 19:08:37 devlasa has joined
1612 2014-03-09 19:10:42 paracyst has joined
1613 2014-03-09 19:10:43 cysm has joined
1614 2014-03-09 19:11:22 InsiderJoe has joined
1615 2014-03-09 19:12:38 antephialtic has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1616 2014-03-09 19:13:18 InsiderJ_ has joined
1617 2014-03-09 19:13:28 Chief_Panda has joined
1618 2014-03-09 19:13:49 OperatorSyn has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1619 2014-03-09 19:15:50 InsiderJoe has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1620 2014-03-09 19:16:46 Emzy has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1621 2014-03-09 19:18:37 leofidus-ger has joined
1622 2014-03-09 19:19:21 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1623 2014-03-09 19:19:46 Emzy has joined
1624 2014-03-09 19:21:52 InsiderJoe has joined
1625 2014-03-09 19:23:43 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1626 2014-03-09 19:23:50 v4mp has joined
1627 2014-03-09 19:24:19 InsiderJ_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1628 2014-03-09 19:25:43 ne0futur_ is now known as ne0futur
1629 2014-03-09 19:26:39 askmike has joined
1630 2014-03-09 19:28:53 uiop has joined
1631 2014-03-09 19:29:50 InsiderJoe has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1632 2014-03-09 19:31:52 InsiderJoe has joined
1633 2014-03-09 19:33:17 hopey has joined
1634 2014-03-09 19:33:28 Eiii has joined
1635 2014-03-09 19:33:28 Eiii has quit (Changing host)
1636 2014-03-09 19:33:28 Eiii has joined
1637 2014-03-09 19:35:26 ThomasV has joined
1638 2014-03-09 19:35:37 <waxwing> scriptSig has to be less than 500 bytes, is that correct?
1639 2014-03-09 19:38:22 gingpark has joined
1640 2014-03-09 19:38:40 ziggamon_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1641 2014-03-09 19:39:12 ziggamon has joined
1642 2014-03-09 19:39:25 m3ga has quit (Quit: disappearing into the sunset)
1643 2014-03-09 19:39:38 ziggamon has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1644 2014-03-09 19:39:54 ziggamon has joined
1645 2014-03-09 19:40:27 ziggamon has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1646 2014-03-09 19:41:02 ziggamon has joined
1647 2014-03-09 19:42:16 Coincidental has joined
1648 2014-03-09 19:42:45 viperhr has joined
1649 2014-03-09 19:42:47 TD has quit (Quit: TD)
1650 2014-03-09 19:43:07 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1651 2014-03-09 19:43:42 nullp has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1652 2014-03-09 19:44:59 debiantoruser has joined
1653 2014-03-09 19:45:15 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1654 2014-03-09 19:47:18 OperatorSyn has joined
1655 2014-03-09 19:47:30 Gnaf has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1656 2014-03-09 19:48:08 JMG99 has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
1657 2014-03-09 19:48:19 yubrew has joined
1658 2014-03-09 19:48:38 ziggamon has joined
1659 2014-03-09 19:49:50 InsiderJoe has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1660 2014-03-09 19:51:09 tg has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1661 2014-03-09 19:51:40 ZootSuit has joined
1662 2014-03-09 19:52:25 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1663 2014-03-09 19:52:49 InsiderJoe has joined
1664 2014-03-09 19:53:37 devlasa has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1665 2014-03-09 19:54:02 t7 has joined
1666 2014-03-09 19:55:20 OperatorSyn has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1667 2014-03-09 19:56:11 CBit has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1668 2014-03-09 19:57:05 <sbrossie1> /msg nickserv identify killbill13
1669 2014-03-09 19:58:25 <mikeche1en> :p
1670 2014-03-09 19:58:33 jeewee has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1671 2014-03-09 19:58:37 sbrossie1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1672 2014-03-09 19:58:53 sbrossie has joined
1673 2014-03-09 19:59:20 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1674 2014-03-09 19:59:40 debiantoruser has joined
1675 2014-03-09 20:00:40 <sbrossie> jgarzik: do you have any input on the proposal for enhancing bip0070 for recuring payment. Mike was keen to hear your point of view
1676 2014-03-09 20:00:57 ericmuyser has joined
1677 2014-03-09 20:01:50 OperatorSyn has joined
1678 2014-03-09 20:03:38 arubi has joined
1679 2014-03-09 20:04:20 InsiderJoe has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1680 2014-03-09 20:04:49 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1681 2014-03-09 20:05:22 ericmuyser has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1682 2014-03-09 20:06:48 lombraso has joined
1683 2014-03-09 20:08:32 CBit has joined
1684 2014-03-09 20:08:42 drenllateno has joined
1685 2014-03-09 20:10:00 wallet42 has joined
1686 2014-03-09 20:10:12 dustcoin has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1687 2014-03-09 20:11:13 ziggamon has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1688 2014-03-09 20:11:48 ziggamon has joined
1689 2014-03-09 20:11:56 debiantoruser has joined
1690 2014-03-09 20:12:57 dustcoin has joined
1691 2014-03-09 20:13:00 go1111111 has joined
1692 2014-03-09 20:13:36 tcatm has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1693 2014-03-09 20:13:52 _biO_ has quit ()
1694 2014-03-09 20:15:06 richardkiss has joined
1695 2014-03-09 20:15:18 andytoshi has joined
1696 2014-03-09 20:15:50 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1697 2014-03-09 20:16:22 InsiderJoe has joined
1698 2014-03-09 20:18:04 Mallstromm has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1699 2014-03-09 20:18:32 tonokip has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1700 2014-03-09 20:18:50 OperatorSyn has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1701 2014-03-09 20:20:22 e4xit has quit (Quit: e4xit)
1702 2014-03-09 20:22:17 uiop has quit (Ping timeout: 253 seconds)
1703 2014-03-09 20:23:03 shesek has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1704 2014-03-09 20:24:27 zcopley has joined
1705 2014-03-09 20:24:44 uiop has joined
1706 2014-03-09 20:25:27 e4xit has joined
1707 2014-03-09 20:25:59 dustcoin has quit ()
1708 2014-03-09 20:27:02 Gnaf has joined
1709 2014-03-09 20:27:13 Gnaf has quit (Changing host)
1710 2014-03-09 20:27:13 Gnaf has joined
1711 2014-03-09 20:28:07 OperatorSyn has joined
1712 2014-03-09 20:29:05 JackH has joined
1713 2014-03-09 20:29:27 Dizzle has joined
1714 2014-03-09 20:29:50 uiop has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1715 2014-03-09 20:29:59 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1716 2014-03-09 20:30:20 InsiderJoe has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1717 2014-03-09 20:30:36 Chief_Panda has left ("Leaving")
1718 2014-03-09 20:31:48 InsiderJoe has joined
1719 2014-03-09 20:31:50 debiantoruser has joined
1720 2014-03-09 20:31:57 uiop has joined
1721 2014-03-09 20:32:43 neuroMode has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1722 2014-03-09 20:33:41 tonokip has joined
1723 2014-03-09 20:33:45 Dizzle has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1724 2014-03-09 20:34:20 OperatorSyn has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1725 2014-03-09 20:34:33 OperatorSyn has joined
1726 2014-03-09 20:34:37 venzen has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1727 2014-03-09 20:34:54 CodeShar_ has joined
1728 2014-03-09 20:35:56 wallet42 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1729 2014-03-09 20:36:02 CodeShark has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1730 2014-03-09 20:36:37 wyager has joined
1731 2014-03-09 20:36:50 InsiderJoe has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1732 2014-03-09 20:37:22 mE\Ta has joined
1733 2014-03-09 20:39:31 shesek has joined
1734 2014-03-09 20:40:38 Clown has joined
1735 2014-03-09 20:40:38 Clown has quit (Changing host)
1736 2014-03-09 20:40:38 Clown has joined
1737 2014-03-09 20:40:38 is now known as Clown|!~clown@unaffiliated/clown/x-0272709|Guest35290
1738 2014-03-09 20:40:38 Guest35290 has quit (Killed (leguin.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)))
1739 2014-03-09 20:40:38 Clown is now known as |Clown|
1740 2014-03-09 20:42:10 mn3monic has joined
1741 2014-03-09 20:42:46 yubrew has joined
1742 2014-03-09 20:42:51 wyager has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1743 2014-03-09 20:43:31 neuroMode has joined
1744 2014-03-09 20:43:36 EponymicCycloid has joined
1745 2014-03-09 20:45:14 Ksipax has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
1746 2014-03-09 20:46:08 WormDr1nk has joined
1747 2014-03-09 20:46:09 W0rmDr1nk has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1748 2014-03-09 20:46:13 Mallstromm has joined
1749 2014-03-09 20:46:17 chmod755 has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1750 2014-03-09 20:46:44 wyager has joined
1751 2014-03-09 20:46:50 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1752 2014-03-09 20:46:55 Ogig has joined
1753 2014-03-09 20:48:04 ziggamon has joined
1754 2014-03-09 20:48:19 sbrossie has quit (Disconnected by services)
1755 2014-03-09 20:48:20 OperatorSyn has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1756 2014-03-09 20:48:39 sbrossie has joined
1757 2014-03-09 20:50:32 Application has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1758 2014-03-09 20:51:02 wyager has quit (Client Quit)
1759 2014-03-09 20:55:30 paveljanik has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
1760 2014-03-09 20:55:40 basva___ has joined
1761 2014-03-09 20:58:50 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1762 2014-03-09 20:58:51 DaQatz_ has quit (Quit: leaving)
1763 2014-03-09 20:59:21 DaQatz has joined
1764 2014-03-09 21:00:15 JackH has quit (Quit: JackH)
1765 2014-03-09 21:00:25 basva___ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1766 2014-03-09 21:00:51 debiantoruser has joined
1767 2014-03-09 21:02:06 tesserajk has joined
1768 2014-03-09 21:02:22 Starduster_ has joined
1769 2014-03-09 21:03:14 gingpark has quit ()
1770 2014-03-09 21:03:44 sbrossie has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1771 2014-03-09 21:04:03 sbrossie has joined
1772 2014-03-09 21:05:01 dicey has joined
1773 2014-03-09 21:05:09 nsh has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1774 2014-03-09 21:05:18 ghtdak has joined
1775 2014-03-09 21:05:45 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1776 2014-03-09 21:05:45 Starduster has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1777 2014-03-09 21:05:46 <dicey> hey everyone, i've got a weird question about the blockchain and the nonce â anyone game? i've been googling and so far haven't been able to find an answer for this
1778 2014-03-09 21:06:01 <Luke-Jr> â¦
1779 2014-03-09 21:06:06 <Luke-Jr> asking to ask is annoying
1780 2014-03-09 21:06:28 <dicey> sorry, okay â am i wrong or is mining not actually necessary to the concept of the blockchain?
1781 2014-03-09 21:06:45 <Luke-Jr> define necessary
1782 2014-03-09 21:06:48 <EponymicCycloid> It's necessary to decide which blockchain is the "correct" one
1783 2014-03-09 21:06:51 zeiris has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1784 2014-03-09 21:06:54 <dicey> the nonce, i.e. the mining, proves stake to the network, if i understand it correctly. it says "i have the right to add this block, here you can verify it."
1785 2014-03-09 21:06:55 Grouver has quit (Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!)
1786 2014-03-09 21:07:12 <dicey> but what if you determined stake in a completely different way? like via secret sharing, for example
1787 2014-03-09 21:07:15 <Luke-Jr> dicey: bitcoin is not proof-of-stake
1788 2014-03-09 21:07:22 debiantoruser has joined
1789 2014-03-09 21:07:38 <Luke-Jr> nor is there a known workable proof-of-stake algoritm
1790 2014-03-09 21:07:40 <dicey> well, nakamoto in his paper defines proof of work as proof of stake, if i recall correctly
1791 2014-03-09 21:07:53 <dicey> that is the purpose of the proof of work, ebcause the work implies stake
1792 2014-03-09 21:08:15 <dicey> what if instead of the nonce you had a homomorphic shared secret
1793 2014-03-09 21:08:21 <EponymicCycloid> No, the work implies spent resources
1794 2014-03-09 21:08:24 <EponymicCycloid> Not stake
1795 2014-03-09 21:08:26 nsh has joined
1796 2014-03-09 21:08:28 <dicey> um
1797 2014-03-09 21:09:31 <dicey> the spent resources are what imply stake, because the fact you have to expend resources is what makes it impossible to game the network. the spent resources imply that you have met the stnadard that enfranchises you â gives you stake â to add the next block to the blockchain
1798 2014-03-09 21:09:33 maxplm_ has joined
1799 2014-03-09 21:09:41 <dicey> right?
1800 2014-03-09 21:10:35 <dicey> not just imply, essentially prove. that's the part that solves the byzantine general's problem, because it makes deception impossible (except for 50% attack). it's "a solution for all practical purposes", which is the only way to solve the byzantine generals problem.
1801 2014-03-09 21:10:44 nsh has quit (Changing host)
1802 2014-03-09 21:10:44 nsh has joined
1803 2014-03-09 21:11:20 <dicey> so what if you had a shared secret that each node had to contribute their portion of to "sign" the block? that would be another way to assert stake.
1804 2014-03-09 21:11:27 <dicey> wouldn't it?
1805 2014-03-09 21:12:03 w1zman has quit ()
1806 2014-03-09 21:12:03 <gmaxwell> uh.. a requirement for being decenteralized is that participants are anonymousâ e.g. not prevously enumerated. Anyone can come and go as they please, no set list of participants.
1807 2014-03-09 21:12:10 <EponymicCycloid> Each node? How do you define a node?
1808 2014-03-09 21:12:12 w1zman has joined
1809 2014-03-09 21:12:13 w1zman has quit (Changing host)
1810 2014-03-09 21:12:13 w1zman has joined
1811 2014-03-09 21:12:18 daybyter has joined
1812 2014-03-09 21:12:28 <gmaxwell> (which, incidentally, invalidates most other work on consensus)
1813 2014-03-09 21:13:39 w1zman has quit (Client Quit)
1814 2014-03-09 21:13:47 w1zman has joined
1815 2014-03-09 21:13:58 w1zman has quit (Changing host)
1816 2014-03-09 21:13:58 w1zman has joined
1817 2014-03-09 21:14:00 w1zman has quit (Client Quit)
1818 2014-03-09 21:14:57 w1zman has joined
1819 2014-03-09 21:14:57 w1zman has quit (Changing host)
1820 2014-03-09 21:14:57 w1zman has joined
1821 2014-03-09 21:16:33 <dicey> gmaxwell: really? a decentralized system can't have semi-porous conditions for entry? but anyway i'm not saying the shared secret has to be static, that's solvable
1822 2014-03-09 21:16:54 maxplm has left ()
1823 2014-03-09 21:16:54 CryptoBuck has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1824 2014-03-09 21:17:09 CryptoBuck has joined
1825 2014-03-09 21:17:16 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1826 2014-03-09 21:17:24 <Luke-Jr> dicey: define a node
1827 2014-03-09 21:17:42 <dicey> EponymicCycloid: a node would be a client, operated in this case by a user who is giving their consent consciously or by setting local conditions for consent
1828 2014-03-09 21:18:06 debiantoruser has joined
1829 2014-03-09 21:18:16 <EponymicCycloid> So what if I make like a million nodes and then use that to influence the secret sharing scheme you're talking about?
1830 2014-03-09 21:18:19 discoffee has quit (Quit: C'etait vraiment tres interessant)
1831 2014-03-09 21:18:20 <Luke-Jr> dicey: define a node in a way that can be verified/proven, cannot be fabricated numerous times by any entity, et
1832 2014-03-09 21:18:50 <dicey> EponymicCycloid: you could only do that if the network handed you a part of the secret willy-nilly on entry, which doesn't seem mandatory
1833 2014-03-09 21:19:03 <EponymicCycloid> How else would the network hand out secrets?
1834 2014-03-09 21:19:08 <EponymicCycloid> How do you know who is "real"?
1835 2014-03-09 21:19:51 <jtimon> dicey if there's only one secret you definitely can sybil the network
1836 2014-03-09 21:19:52 <dicey> okay, a node is a holder of a piece of the secret. new nodes could be added by the collective, by consensus generation of new pieces of the secret, or of an invite code that entitled you to one
1837 2014-03-09 21:20:06 <dicey> googling sybil
1838 2014-03-09 21:20:28 <EponymicCycloid> sybil attack = making infinite fake "peers" to swing votes, etc.
1839 2014-03-09 21:20:33 <jtimon> you could just maintain a list of unique nodes, but again that's not p2p
1840 2014-03-09 21:20:59 <dicey> there doesn't need to be a list, just a sense of the number of nodes at any given time
1841 2014-03-09 21:21:05 <dicey> and that absolutely doesn't change whether it's peer-to-peer.
1842 2014-03-09 21:21:10 <jtimon> dicey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack
1843 2014-03-09 21:21:16 <EponymicCycloid> dicey: Then, I just make a legit node, the network adds me, then I keep making more until I have enough to autonomously add my own, and keep adding my own nodes ad infinitum
1844 2014-03-09 21:22:09 kennv has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1845 2014-03-09 21:22:14 <dicey> EponymicCycloid: but you only have the one piece of the shared secret. n people would need to agree to give you another.
1846 2014-03-09 21:22:26 <EponymicCycloid> Then I make a cabal of n people
1847 2014-03-09 21:22:36 <EponymicCycloid> And then I can infinitely add my own nodes forever
1848 2014-03-09 21:22:47 <EponymicCycloid> With basically no investment on my part
1849 2014-03-09 21:23:00 <Luke-Jr> dicey: prove Joe isn't me
1850 2014-03-09 21:23:06 jhfgh has joined
1851 2014-03-09 21:23:14 kennv has joined
1852 2014-03-09 21:23:14 kennv has quit (Changing host)
1853 2014-03-09 21:23:14 kennv has joined
1854 2014-03-09 21:23:22 <dicey> EponymicCycloid: if n is a very large number of nodes, that seems very unlikely
1855 2014-03-09 21:23:35 <jtimon> dicey also, how is the initial "unpublished list of unique nodes" peer to peer?
1856 2014-03-09 21:23:37 <EponymicCycloid> It doesn't matter how unlikely it is, it's doable
1857 2014-03-09 21:23:42 <Luke-Jr> dicey: do you want an AML database of all "miners"?
1858 2014-03-09 21:23:57 <EponymicCycloid> And how do you start the network? Do you get n buddies and put their privkeys in a table?
1859 2014-03-09 21:24:03 <EponymicCycloid> *pubkeys
1860 2014-03-09 21:24:11 <Luke-Jr> dicey: so that I don't get a token from both Joe and Fred
1861 2014-03-09 21:24:15 <Luke-Jr> different tokens
1862 2014-03-09 21:24:24 <Luke-Jr> because they didn't know the other issued me one already
1863 2014-03-09 21:24:46 Mallstromm has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1864 2014-03-09 21:24:50 <Luke-Jr> also, why would I issue anyone else a token, when it will reduce my own %?
1865 2014-03-09 21:24:51 <dicey> Luke-Jr: i don't need to prove who is who. a node issuing a block would need to prove that it had enough of the key to be entitled. it doesn't matter who issues each chunk.
1866 2014-03-09 21:25:01 <Luke-Jr> â¦
1867 2014-03-09 21:25:28 <dicey> Well, because the reward is different.
1868 2014-03-09 21:25:29 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1869 2014-03-09 21:25:46 <dicey> That's another thing about changing what "enstakens" you from mining to receiving consent from others.
1870 2014-03-09 21:26:22 <Luke-Jr> either you have no clue, or you need to express this in a way I/we can understand (eg, pseudo-code)
1871 2014-03-09 21:26:25 <dicey> The reward becomes the ability to have your idea be consented to. In this case it would be the ability to have a large twitter account say what you've proposed it say.
1872 2014-03-09 21:27:07 <dicey> I have about half a clue. What i'm trying to understand is if this idea is worthless, and if so, why. I've been trying to solve a specific problem for a very long time and I need to figure out if this is worth working out the specifics of.
1873 2014-03-09 21:27:17 <jtimon> how are twitter accounts sybil resistant? how are twitter accounts p2p?
1874 2014-03-09 21:27:33 <dicey> twitter accounts aren't p2p
1875 2014-03-09 21:27:40 <dicey> that's the problem i want to solve.
1876 2014-03-09 21:27:44 debiantoruser has joined
1877 2014-03-09 21:27:49 <dicey> because
1878 2014-03-09 21:27:51 <dicey> okay here
1879 2014-03-09 21:27:53 <jtimon> nor sybil resistant
1880 2014-03-09 21:28:26 <dicey> i was involved in OWS. but it could have been any similar membershipless movement.
1881 2014-03-09 21:28:26 <gmaxwell> dicey: it's not worthless but it doesn't achieve what bitcoin wants. Assume you start out with one member of a system, if the majority of the system wants to add members, it can add them to the state. A state is valid if a majority of the members sign it. yadda yadda. This all works, but it wouldn't be attack resistant or decenteralized in the context bitcoin operates in.
1882 2014-03-09 21:28:29 <jtimon> so you want p2p unique ids? I'm afraid that's not possible
1883 2014-03-09 21:28:39 <dicey> social media like twitter and facebook made occupy and all of these uprisings possible.
1884 2014-03-09 21:29:17 <dicey> but then they ended up also causing a great deal of difficulty because they're completely incompatible with a distributed p2p network "organization"
1885 2014-03-09 21:29:20 <gmaxwell> because the existing members could just add fake members or refuses to add other honest people, for example.. or because an old majority after they were no longer a majority could create a new conflicting future at any time.
1886 2014-03-09 21:29:22 <dicey> someone has to own a twitter account, at this time
1887 2014-03-09 21:29:25 <jtimon> you could have p2p ids (ie namecoin) but not *unique* p2p ids
1888 2014-03-09 21:30:05 <dicey> i would like to use the blockchain to build a decentralized publishing "facilitation" system that has the ability for any HTTP service to scrape its consented-to output.
1889 2014-03-09 21:30:12 <dicey> and then i would like to harass twitter until it implements it.
1890 2014-03-09 21:30:13 <jtimon> dicey, what happens with people who own 10 twitter accounts?
1891 2014-03-09 21:30:43 <dicey> huh?
1892 2014-03-09 21:30:51 <dicey> there's just the one twitter account
1893 2014-03-09 21:31:01 <jtimon> no, I can have many
1894 2014-03-09 21:31:03 <dicey> this is about having collective ownership of an outlet like a twitter account
1895 2014-03-09 21:31:21 greg has joined
1896 2014-03-09 21:31:37 mE\Ta has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
1897 2014-03-09 21:31:47 m104 has joined
1898 2014-03-09 21:31:53 <jtimon> ok, I have no idea what you want to achieve at this point
1899 2014-03-09 21:32:05 <dicey> first creating the means to collectively administer such an ownership, and then specing for twitter or whomever a system to acknowledge the validity of such a structure. to be able to have a distributed network be the actual legitimate owners of such a resource.
1900 2014-03-09 21:33:12 <jtimon> the list of owners is centralized somewhere
1901 2014-03-09 21:33:13 <dicey> i would like to avoid having to *require* individual people to accumulate power within a decentralized movement. that's the end goal. right now, there is no way to *have* a twitter account that ultimately is not owned by one person.
1902 2014-03-09 21:33:33 <dicey> it's centralized in the form of the secret, which you'd give to twitter or whomever
1903 2014-03-09 21:33:42 <dicey> but that's all
1904 2014-03-09 21:33:52 <jtimon> are you familiar with multisig?
1905 2014-03-09 21:33:59 <dicey> no, sounds awesome tho
1906 2014-03-09 21:34:56 <jtimon> I think that's what you're looking for, still, a centralized entity decides what public keys are on the list
1907 2014-03-09 21:35:48 Mallstromm has joined
1908 2014-03-09 21:35:53 Emzy has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
1909 2014-03-09 21:36:08 <dicey> a centralized entity holds that yeah. by design, though. implicit in this is an acknowledgement that there is a *collective* utility in having a twitter account.
1910 2014-03-09 21:36:22 <aschildbach_> I've got a question about the scripting language. Takes this testcase from script_valid.json: ["0x4c 0x00","0 EQUAL"]
1911 2014-03-09 21:36:30 <dicey> but that doesn't mean the centralized entity has to *set* the secret. it just means it has to know what the agreed-to secret is.
1912 2014-03-09 21:36:38 <jtimon> dicey and of course you cannot replace bitcoin mining with that
1913 2014-03-09 21:36:40 Neozonz has joined
1914 2014-03-09 21:36:49 ghtdak has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1915 2014-03-09 21:36:49 <aschildbach_> Question is why does 4c 00 push something on the stack?
1916 2014-03-09 21:36:53 yubrew has joined
1917 2014-03-09 21:37:01 <dicey> no i'm not trying to replace bitcoin mining, i'm trying to replace mining in this alternative blockchain
1918 2014-03-09 21:37:13 <dicey> this has nothing to do with bitcoin per se, just with the blockchain
1919 2014-03-09 21:37:38 <EponymicCycloid> aschildbach_: My guess is that OP_PUSHDATA1 pushes an empty thing if the length byte is 0
1920 2014-03-09 21:37:49 <jtimon> dicey I suggest you forget about implementation details you don't understand like this secret and just talk about your high level analysis of what you think you need
1921 2014-03-09 21:38:08 <aschildbach_> what's an empty thing? I'd say it should be a no-op.
1922 2014-03-09 21:38:18 <jtimon> dicey a blockchain is again an implementation detail
1923 2014-03-09 21:38:24 <EponymicCycloid> aschildbach_: The empty string. It's a valid data structure
1924 2014-03-09 21:38:29 <EponymicCycloid> ""
1925 2014-03-09 21:38:35 <aschildbach_> Oh really?
1926 2014-03-09 21:38:39 <aschildbach_> Didn't know that
1927 2014-03-09 21:38:45 <EponymicCycloid> I would think so. Not 100% sure though
1928 2014-03-09 21:39:25 Neozonz has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1929 2014-03-09 21:39:56 <dicey> yes, you're right. but i know what is needed, and implementation details are exactly what i need to hash out. i need a way to bridge a decentralized network of humans and a centralized output voice like twitter without the centralized voice impelling the decentralized network to operate in a centralized fashion, which works about as well as you might effing think
1930 2014-03-09 21:40:06 non2_ has joined
1931 2014-03-09 21:41:07 <dicey> right now twitter requires *anyone* who uses it to operate within a centralized, lock-and-key, personal-property idiom. there is no way for an amorphous group to actually share ownership of such an outlet securely, nor to collectively operate it
1932 2014-03-09 21:41:10 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1933 2014-03-09 21:41:35 <dicey> what is needed is a way for a decentralized group to be able to tweet from ONE account only if N people consent to doing so.
1934 2014-03-09 21:41:35 <EponymicCycloid> You could use a blockchain, with mining.
1935 2014-03-09 21:42:01 <EponymicCycloid> "people" is not a mathematical concept, and therefore cannot be introduced to an autonomous mathematical system
1936 2014-03-09 21:42:16 <dicey> no, but consent can, and that's what people are doing in this system
1937 2014-03-09 21:42:21 <EponymicCycloid> ???
1938 2014-03-09 21:42:23 <dicey> that's what provides stake
1939 2014-03-09 21:42:30 <dicey> consent is true or false
1940 2014-03-09 21:42:44 <EponymicCycloid> OK, but how do you know who is consenting?
1941 2014-03-09 21:42:49 <mikeche1en> dicey: you could use multisig transactions, the question is how does the group get defined
1942 2014-03-09 21:42:58 <EponymicCycloid> You simply can't, without a central authority deciding what constitutes a person
1943 2014-03-09 21:43:08 <dicey> by attempting to replicate a shared secret that each node must consent to provide their piece of.
1944 2014-03-09 21:43:25 <dicey> that's not true, though.
1945 2014-03-09 21:43:29 non2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1946 2014-03-09 21:43:42 <jtimon> dicey a closed list is not a "decentralized network of humans", "stake" means something else in bitcoin context you're using terms you don't understand and that confuses us
1947 2014-03-09 21:43:48 <dicey> the whole point of the blockchain is that it is a decentralized authority on what constitutes a valid block.
1948 2014-03-09 21:43:56 greg has quit (Quit: greg)
1949 2014-03-09 21:43:59 <EponymicCycloid> Of course it's true. "people" is not a concept you can translate to mathematics without an oracle telling you who is a person
1950 2014-03-09 21:44:02 <dicey> what i want is a blockchain that is a decentralized authority on what constitutes a valid operation on a twitter account.
1951 2014-03-09 21:44:08 <EponymicCycloid> right, and the blockchain doesn't rely on knowing what is a person
1952 2014-03-09 21:44:25 <EponymicCycloid> The blockchain just relies on proof-of-work puzzles, which are valid mathematical abstractions
1953 2014-03-09 21:44:43 <EponymicCycloid> So you could share a twitter account by proof-of-work, if you want
1954 2014-03-09 21:44:47 <jtimon> dicey the protocol rules are what define what's a valid block, miners only tell us what the longest valid chain is\
1955 2014-03-09 21:45:27 <dicey> i don't understand. sharing by proof of work makes no sense, why would you want to give CPU power the ability to define validity of a tweet?
1956 2014-03-09 21:45:43 <EponymicCycloid> dicey: Because there isn't really any other way to do it decentralized.
1957 2014-03-09 21:45:45 <dicey> miners tell you what the longest valid chain is and therefore which chain contains valid blocks.
1958 2014-03-09 21:45:50 <Luke-Jr> dicey: this is #bitcoin-dev, not #twitter-dev
1959 2014-03-09 21:45:51 <mikeche1en> dicey: there is an inherent weak link between any distributed mechanism and twitter authentication
1960 2014-03-09 21:45:51 mE\Ta has joined
1961 2014-03-09 21:45:53 <dicey> that's not true; secret sharing.
1962 2014-03-09 21:46:06 <EponymicCycloid> You keep saying that. I don't think it allows you to do what you think
1963 2014-03-09 21:46:14 <mikeche1en> you mean a twitter-like messaging platform, not twitter itself
1964 2014-03-09 21:46:14 <jtimon> dicey you could use namecoin for the ids, send them to a multisig address and then those people need to sign for each message, that's not very scalable though
1965 2014-03-09 21:46:18 <dicey> Luke-Jr: i'm talking about blockchain development, if there's a better place for that by all means please inform me.
1966 2014-03-09 21:46:24 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1967 2014-03-09 21:46:25 <mikeche1en> at some point the entire secret has to be assembled to communicate with twitter
1968 2014-03-09 21:46:35 debiantoruser has joined
1969 2014-03-09 21:47:22 zenojis has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1970 2014-03-09 21:47:52 verwilst has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1971 2014-03-09 21:48:07 agath has quit (Quit: Ich mache hachfleisch aus dir! Porco dio!)
1972 2014-03-09 21:48:13 <dicey> mike: yes, but it doesn't have to look like oauth; goal a) is to create a self-articulating distributed publishing network that can affirm output as valid (analogous to how bitcoin does), and b) include within it a way to give twitter or whomever the same ability to determine which output is valid, so that it knows it is authorized to publish (or take whatever action on the account)
1973 2014-03-09 21:48:15 agath has joined
1974 2014-03-09 21:48:21 <jtimon> dicey you're not talking about blockchain development, just your analysis of a system YOU THINK could be solved with a blockchain
1975 2014-03-09 21:48:37 agath has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1976 2014-03-09 21:48:40 <dicey> what do you think satoshi's original paper was tho?
1977 2014-03-09 21:48:45 agath has joined
1978 2014-03-09 21:49:43 agath has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1979 2014-03-09 21:49:52 agath has joined
1980 2014-03-09 21:50:06 <mikeche1en> dicey: the first part can be done with multisig transfers, the 2nd part requires a trusted 3rd party that supports the standard
1981 2014-03-09 21:50:16 <jtimon> even if you were talking about "blockchain development", this is bitcoin specific, there must be a channel for random non-technical altchain proposals
1982 2014-03-09 21:50:18 CheckDavid has joined
1983 2014-03-09 21:50:46 <jtimon> amiller can you link your altchain paper again?
1984 2014-03-09 21:50:48 <mikeche1en> anyone remember that altcoin that includes programmable code?
1985 2014-03-09 21:51:23 <dicey> mikeche1en: that's great news because that's exactly what i have in mind
1986 2014-03-09 21:51:31 <EponymicCycloid> ethereum?
1987 2014-03-09 21:52:58 <dicey> the output doesn't have to be twitter, it could be any outward-facing service. you could have more than one "output" node on one network, too. making it a standard â I wanna call it CAuth, for collective authentication â would make it a reasonable ask for twitter or whomever to adopt it as an authentication option. and if it works, the output should be really quality and itself an argument for adoption
1988 2014-03-09 21:53:06 <airbreather> hmm. looking at bip-0030, before the fix, suppose block A created a transaction that was partially (but not fully) spent by later block B, and then block C came later creating a transaction with the same ID. off the top, does anybody know if a previously-spent (txid, vout) pair would become spendable again? or would that (txid, vout) pair still be unspendable?
1989 2014-03-09 21:53:44 <mikeche1en> EponymicCycloid: yeah i think ethereum might be what im thinking of
1990 2014-03-09 21:54:19 pierreatwork has quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
1991 2014-03-09 21:54:40 <mikeche1en> dicey: i think the question is whether bitcoin itself can form the kind of output you want, or namecoin, or some other altcoin. once that has been determined, then worry about the 3rd party
1992 2014-03-09 21:54:44 agath has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1993 2014-03-09 21:54:47 <jtimon> dicey, please stop, this is off-topic
1994 2014-03-09 21:54:53 agath has joined
1995 2014-03-09 21:55:36 wallet42 has joined
1996 2014-03-09 21:55:36 wallet42 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1997 2014-03-09 21:55:51 wallet42 has joined
1998 2014-03-09 21:55:54 arubi has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1999 2014-03-09 21:56:09 <dicey> okay, done.thanks for everyone's patience. thing is, this is like a real trenchant problem that is fucking up IRL collective organizing all aroudn the world right now. i'm trying to solve this problem not because i am the most qualified but because it's staring me in the face and the stakes are really high.
2000 2014-03-09 21:56:10 <dicey> if you have anywhere else to recommend i take this i'd appreciate hearing about it.
2001 2014-03-09 21:56:23 arubi has joined
2002 2014-03-09 21:58:01 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2003 2014-03-09 21:58:33 debiantoruser has joined
2004 2014-03-09 21:58:41 <jtimon> dicey sorry I don't know the place. I'm not really sure, but I think some suggested #ethereum, maybe #altcoins #cryptocurrencies or something like that (not sure if those last channels exists though)
2005 2014-03-09 21:59:14 JackH has joined
2006 2014-03-09 22:01:59 <airbreather> judging by the comments on the implementation commit, it *sounds* like the previously-spent (txid, vout) pairs would become spendable again, so the blockchain could hypothetically have had the same outpoint show up multiple times?
2007 2014-03-09 22:02:10 wallet42 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2008 2014-03-09 22:02:53 maxplm_ is now known as maxplm
2009 2014-03-09 22:04:40 rdymac has quit (Excess Flood)
2010 2014-03-09 22:04:52 WormDr1nk has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2011 2014-03-09 22:05:34 <sipa> airbreather: heh?
2012 2014-03-09 22:05:46 <sipa> txids are unique, and each output can be spent at most once
2013 2014-03-09 22:05:50 <sipa> since bip34 at least
2014 2014-03-09 22:06:15 <airbreather> sipa: yeah, I'm looking at pre-bip0030 to figure out exactly what the old behavior was
2015 2014-03-09 22:06:16 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2016 2014-03-09 22:06:48 debiantoruser has joined
2017 2014-03-09 22:08:27 ThomasV has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2018 2014-03-09 22:08:58 ahf has quit (Quit: Reconnecting)
2019 2014-03-09 22:09:21 ahf has joined
2020 2014-03-09 22:09:30 zyrox has joined
2021 2014-03-09 22:09:34 rdymac has joined
2022 2014-03-09 22:10:10 WormDr1nk has joined
2023 2014-03-09 22:10:52 dansmith_btc has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2024 2014-03-09 22:11:55 brson_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2025 2014-03-09 22:12:21 cysm has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2026 2014-03-09 22:13:16 <sipa> airbreather: pre-bip30, utxos were overwritten if a transaction with the same txid occurred
2027 2014-03-09 22:15:40 <airbreather> sipa: thanks
2028 2014-03-09 22:16:18 khert has joined
2029 2014-03-09 22:17:14 spinza has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2030 2014-03-09 22:17:16 cysm has joined
2031 2014-03-09 22:17:25 justanotheruser is now known as just[dead]
2032 2014-03-09 22:21:16 nickler has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2033 2014-03-09 22:22:39 skinnkavaj has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2034 2014-03-09 22:22:40 EponymicCycloid has quit (Quit: EponymicCycloid)
2035 2014-03-09 22:23:25 nickler has joined
2036 2014-03-09 22:23:45 Application has joined
2037 2014-03-09 22:23:49 joesmoe_ has joined
2038 2014-03-09 22:24:14 Application has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2039 2014-03-09 22:24:17 spinza has joined
2040 2014-03-09 22:24:34 Application has joined
2041 2014-03-09 22:24:34 jogos has joined
2042 2014-03-09 22:25:01 joesmoe has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
2043 2014-03-09 22:30:53 yubrew has joined
2044 2014-03-09 22:31:40 nickler has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2045 2014-03-09 22:31:50 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2046 2014-03-09 22:32:30 yano has quit (Ping timeout: 630 seconds)
2047 2014-03-09 22:33:28 AndrewJackson has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2048 2014-03-09 22:33:44 nickler has joined
2049 2014-03-09 22:35:10 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2050 2014-03-09 22:36:29 mickeymickey has joined
2051 2014-03-09 22:37:06 CryptoBuck has quit ()
2052 2014-03-09 22:37:19 mickeymickey has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2053 2014-03-09 22:38:20 adam3us has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2054 2014-03-09 22:39:43 adam3us has joined
2055 2014-03-09 22:41:14 Adrao has joined
2056 2014-03-09 22:42:52 jtimon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2057 2014-03-09 22:43:49 adam3us has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2058 2014-03-09 22:44:39 Vinnie_win has joined
2059 2014-03-09 22:48:05 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2060 2014-03-09 22:48:10 Emcy_ has joined
2061 2014-03-09 22:48:39 tg has joined
2062 2014-03-09 22:49:11 Emcy has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2063 2014-03-09 22:49:48 debiantoruser has joined
2064 2014-03-09 22:50:50 Evolyn_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2065 2014-03-09 22:54:38 Coincidental has joined
2066 2014-03-09 22:54:48 t7 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2067 2014-03-09 22:54:50 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2068 2014-03-09 22:56:48 basva___ has joined
2069 2014-03-09 22:58:29 tombtc has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2070 2014-03-09 22:59:24 Techguy305 has joined
2071 2014-03-09 23:01:17 basva___ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2072 2014-03-09 23:02:11 nova90 has quit (Quit: nova90)
2073 2014-03-09 23:03:40 qwebirc84876 has quit (Quit: Page closed)
2074 2014-03-09 23:04:09 johnsoft has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2075 2014-03-09 23:04:23 johnsoft has joined
2076 2014-03-09 23:04:46 joesmoe has joined
2077 2014-03-09 23:05:50 daybyter has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2078 2014-03-09 23:06:22 m104 has quit (Quit: brb)
2079 2014-03-09 23:07:57 tcatm has joined
2080 2014-03-09 23:07:58 tcatm has quit (Changing host)
2081 2014-03-09 23:07:58 tcatm has joined
2082 2014-03-09 23:08:29 hanti is now known as HANTI
2083 2014-03-09 23:08:49 joesmoe_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2084 2014-03-09 23:15:29 jogos has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2085 2014-03-09 23:21:49 ielo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2086 2014-03-09 23:22:55 jcrubino has joined
2087 2014-03-09 23:24:34 uiop has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
2088 2014-03-09 23:25:22 yubrew has joined
2089 2014-03-09 23:25:55 Guyver2 has quit (Quit: :))
2090 2014-03-09 23:26:14 EasyAt has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2091 2014-03-09 23:26:38 Guest96824 has quit (Changing host)
2092 2014-03-09 23:26:39 Guest96824 has joined
2093 2014-03-09 23:26:39 Guest96824 has quit (Changing host)
2094 2014-03-09 23:26:39 Guest96824 has joined
2095 2014-03-09 23:26:57 Guest96824 is now known as anarchystar
2096 2014-03-09 23:29:03 yano has joined
2097 2014-03-09 23:29:40 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2098 2014-03-09 23:30:41 jogos has joined
2099 2014-03-09 23:32:52 Mallstromm has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2100 2014-03-09 23:37:42 uiop has joined
2101 2014-03-09 23:38:03 sbrossie1 has joined
2102 2014-03-09 23:38:12 sbrossie has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
2103 2014-03-09 23:39:00 richardkiss has quit (Quit: richardkiss)
2104 2014-03-09 23:39:02 EasyAt has joined
2105 2014-03-09 23:39:02 EasyAt has quit (Changing host)
2106 2014-03-09 23:39:02 EasyAt has joined
2107 2014-03-09 23:39:23 phoenix52 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2108 2014-03-09 23:47:11 uiop_ has joined
2109 2014-03-09 23:47:13 uiop has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2110 2014-03-09 23:47:17 brson has joined
2111 2014-03-09 23:47:23 uiop_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2112 2014-03-09 23:47:37 uiop has joined
2113 2014-03-09 23:47:59 jogos has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2114 2014-03-09 23:48:41 Dizzle has joined
2115 2014-03-09 23:49:32 _ImI_ has joined
2116 2014-03-09 23:50:52 pfallenop has quit (Quit: leaving)
2117 2014-03-09 23:51:14 pfallenop has joined
2118 2014-03-09 23:51:36 Dizzle has quit (Client Quit)
2119 2014-03-09 23:52:08 draino has joined
2120 2014-03-09 23:54:14 derbumi has joined
2121 2014-03-09 23:57:53 lianj_ is now known as lianj