1 2014-03-12 00:00:00 <melvster> neat!
   2 2014-03-12 00:01:31 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: wiki copy was hidden so we didn't have conflicting versions.
   3 2014-03-12 00:01:40 * super3 defends Github
   4 2014-03-12 00:02:07 zcopley has joined
   5 2014-03-12 00:02:54 <raid5> gmaxwell: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3778 already being tracked :)
   6 2014-03-12 00:03:00 <vrs> phantomcircuit: did you by any chance try that db stuff yourself, does the composite key come with a penalty?
   7 2014-03-12 00:03:07 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: well, readability is more important :/
   8 2014-03-12 00:03:55 <phantomcircuit> vrs, i just blacklisted them and left it as a unique key on transactions(hash)
   9 2014-03-12 00:03:57 <gmaxwell> raid5: cool you should say you hit it too. :)
  10 2014-03-12 00:04:11 <phantomcircuit> but theoretically there shouldn't be a significant penalty for using (hash, block_hash)
  11 2014-03-12 00:04:18 <phantomcircuit> dont do (block_hash, hash) thought
  12 2014-03-12 00:04:24 <phantomcircuit> s/thought/though/
  13 2014-03-12 00:04:58 <vrs> yeah I googled around a bit and (hash, block_hash) seemed more sensible
  14 2014-03-12 00:05:26 Persopolis has joined
  15 2014-03-12 00:05:51 <phantomcircuit> vrs, the primary penalty there is a much much larger index
  16 2014-03-12 00:06:05 <phantomcircuit> if you do it block_hash, hash then the index will be much much smaller
  17 2014-03-12 00:06:06 <gmaxwell> just drop the unique constraint... make your inserts faster too generally.
  18 2014-03-12 00:06:07 <gmaxwell> :P
  19 2014-03-12 00:06:12 <melvster> Luke-Jr: sorry if this is a noob question, but one think I could not work out from the BIP is want to send back in response to a "submitblock" ?
  20 2014-03-12 00:06:24 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, why not also run around with giant scissors all day also?
  21 2014-03-12 00:06:34 * phantomcircuit imagines gmaxwell running around with comically large scissors
  22 2014-03-12 00:06:57 <phantomcircuit> melvster, iirc it takes hex endcoded block
  23 2014-03-12 00:07:04 <vrs> phantomcircuit: but slower too if I query for tx hashes?
  24 2014-03-12 00:07:19 <phantomcircuit> vrs, right
  25 2014-03-12 00:07:41 <phantomcircuit> vrs, fyi if you load the entire blockchain into postgres the indexes will be roughly the same size as the tables
  26 2014-03-12 00:07:41 <melvster> phantomcircuit:  yes that's the request, but what's the response (ive written a little pooled miner in node)
  27 2014-03-12 00:07:42 <vrs> how much larger are we talking? roughly twice as much?
  28 2014-03-12 00:07:58 <phantomcircuit> melvster, i have no idea
  29 2014-03-12 00:08:05 <phantomcircuit> does it really matter?
  30 2014-03-12 00:08:22 <vrs> I don't know if it matters
  31 2014-03-12 00:08:32 <melvster> yeah kinda with bfgminer, it kind of retries alot if it doesnt get the right response
  32 2014-03-12 00:08:48 <phantomcircuit> oh
  33 2014-03-12 00:09:04 <phantomcircuit> i never card i just send it directly to a bunch of nodes anyways
  34 2014-03-12 00:09:53 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: you know bfgminer can do that directly?
  35 2014-03-12 00:11:38 richcollins has joined
  36 2014-03-12 00:12:50 <melvster> Ah found it: This method MUST return either null (when a share is accepted), a String describing briefly the reason the share was rejected, or an Object of these with a key for each merged-mining chain the share was submitted to.
  37 2014-03-12 00:12:58 <melvster> so just null then
  38 2014-03-12 00:13:06 mrkent has joined
  39 2014-03-12 00:13:06 mrkent has quit (Changing host)
  40 2014-03-12 00:13:06 mrkent has joined
  41 2014-03-12 00:13:10 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, yeah i do
  42 2014-03-12 00:13:33 Adrao has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  43 2014-03-12 00:13:35 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, all of our pool servers are <1ms away from the machines though so it's kind of irrelevant
  44 2014-03-12 00:14:39 btcinmypocket has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
  45 2014-03-12 00:14:51 btcinmypocket has joined
  46 2014-03-12 00:18:38 pierreatwork has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  47 2014-03-12 00:20:16 OneMiner1 is now known as OneMiner
  48 2014-03-12 00:20:26 pierreatwork has joined
  49 2014-03-12 00:21:23 <ryanxcharles> are bitcoin public keys big endian or little endian?
  50 2014-03-12 00:21:52 ielo has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
  51 2014-03-12 00:22:14 askmike_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
  52 2014-03-12 00:22:29 <jgarzik> ryanxcharles, http://luca.ntop.org/Teaching/Appunti/asn1.html
  53 2014-03-12 00:22:32 <jgarzik> DER
  54 2014-03-12 00:22:38 defrostr has joined
  55 2014-03-12 00:22:59 <defrostr> when mining btc in testnet mode, are all shares considered blocks?
  56 2014-03-12 00:23:26 eristisk has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  57 2014-03-12 00:23:27 W0rmDr1nk has joined
  58 2014-03-12 00:24:15 <ryanxcharles> thanks. reading.
  59 2014-03-12 00:24:56 <phantomcircuit> defrostr, no
  60 2014-03-12 00:25:05 <gmaxwell> defrostr: "share" doesn't have any particular definition, and regardless, testnet actually has a difficulty.. though its low and switches back to 1 if there hasn't been a block recently.
  61 2014-03-12 00:25:06 melik has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  62 2014-03-12 00:25:50 <defrostr> gmaxwell, phantomcircuit: thanks!
  63 2014-03-12 00:26:21 <jgarzik> ryanxcharles, it's a data structure, not a simple Big Number
  64 2014-03-12 00:26:56 <Luke-Jr> melvster: "This method MUST return either null (when a share is accepted), a String describing briefly the reason the share was rejected, or an Object of these with a key for each merged-mining chain the share was submitted to."
  65 2014-03-12 00:27:27 <melvster> Luke-Jr: thanks :)
  66 2014-03-12 00:28:03 <jgarzik> Since other people mentioned it on twitter, might as well mention it here:
  67 2014-03-12 00:28:06 <jgarzik> https://gist.github.com/jgarzik/9494153
  68 2014-03-12 00:28:18 <jgarzik> Payment channel protocol, for a demo server
  69 2014-03-12 00:28:24 BTC_Bear has quit (Quit: Leaving...)
  70 2014-03-12 00:29:01 <jgarzik> once we figure out a payment channel protocol (TD prefers protobufs), will look to Bitcoin Core wallet integration
  71 2014-03-12 00:29:13 richcollins has quit (Quit: richcollins)
  72 2014-03-12 00:29:15 <jgarzik> need to make locked outputs persistent
  73 2014-03-12 00:29:16 MagicalMole has joined
  74 2014-03-12 00:29:49 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, personally i have found that protobuf is annoying to use externally
  75 2014-03-12 00:30:40 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit, which part(s) are annoying to use?  Seems supported in every language under the sun (ditto JSON)
  76 2014-03-12 00:31:17 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, that fields aren't self descriptive ends up being a nuisance to support
  77 2014-03-12 00:31:38 Imbue has joined
  78 2014-03-12 00:31:39 <phantomcircuit> parsing protobuf is significantly faster than json, but who really cares for something like payment requests?
  79 2014-03-12 00:32:07 <Luke-Jr> well, I learned why people make pull requests for older version branches/tags…
  80 2014-03-12 00:32:17 <gmaxwell> oh?
  81 2014-03-12 00:32:25 RazielXYZ has joined
  82 2014-03-12 00:32:29 <Luke-Jr> they're making a *request* to *pull* that older version into their git checkout.
  83 2014-03-12 00:33:27 <gmaxwell> oh I didn't think you could do that on third party repos.
  84 2014-03-12 00:33:38 <Luke-Jr> https://github.com/luke-jr/bfgminer/pull/418
  85 2014-03-12 00:33:56 <gmaxwell> oh I get what you mean.
  86 2014-03-12 00:34:01 <Luke-Jr> thanks github, for confusingly calling merge requests "pull request", sigh
  87 2014-03-12 00:34:04 <gmaxwell> they're trying to pull the tag into their repo.. and right.
  88 2014-03-12 00:34:11 <gmaxwell> Ah ha.
  89 2014-03-12 00:34:30 <gmaxwell> I'd just assumed it was secret ninjas slipping exploit code into the pull tester.
  90 2014-03-12 00:35:28 RazielZ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
  91 2014-03-12 00:35:29 sirk390 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
  92 2014-03-12 00:35:29 <Imbue> is there a page somewhere that details the use of each file in the bitcoin 'appdata' folder?
  93 2014-03-12 00:35:39 <Imbue> the bitcoin wiki is quite light on detail
  94 2014-03-12 00:35:42 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit, I actually wrote several versions of a json parser...  including one with lex+yacc (well flex+bison)
  95 2014-03-12 00:35:48 <jgarzik> in search of speed
  96 2014-03-12 00:35:58 <sipa> Imbue: if i explain them to you, will you update the wiki with that informations? :)
  97 2014-03-12 00:36:00 <Imbue> i've managed to figure out that I can recover the chain with only blk***.dat and -reindex
  98 2014-03-12 00:36:17 <jgarzik> Imbue, yes, that is the correct method for rebuilding
  99 2014-03-12 00:36:17 ematiu has joined
 100 2014-03-12 00:36:36 <Imbue> sipa: i'm not sure I can update wiki, but I could see
 101 2014-03-12 00:36:46 <Imbue> let me try and make a harmless edit
 102 2014-03-12 00:36:47 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr, I still get the occasional cgminer pull request, misdirected automatically into cpuminer's repo.
 103 2014-03-12 00:36:59 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr, it appears as 500+ commits to my tree ;p
 104 2014-03-12 00:37:06 <Imbue> jgarzik: what I am trying to do is give a friend my blockchain without handing out logs, wallet.dat, and other unnecessary 'identifiable' stuff
 105 2014-03-12 00:37:11 yubrew has joined
 106 2014-03-12 00:37:26 <Luke-Jr> SomeoneWeird: ping
 107 2014-03-12 00:37:27 <sipa> Imbue: do you think he should trust you?
 108 2014-03-12 00:37:37 <SomeoneWeird> Luke-Jr, pong
 109 2014-03-12 00:37:38 <Imbue> jgarzik: it strikes me that a total reindex is unnecessary unless i am trying to perform an incredibly complex attack on him
 110 2014-03-12 00:37:54 ItSANgo has quit (Quit: Leaving...)
 111 2014-03-12 00:37:56 <sipa> Imbue: if you copy blocks/* and chainstate/*, the reindex isn't necessary
 112 2014-03-12 00:38:03 <Luke-Jr> SomeoneWeird: Imbue may need wiki approval
 113 2014-03-12 00:38:14 <sipa> but that means you can pretty much make him believe any balance/ledger state of the blockchain
 114 2014-03-12 00:38:31 <sipa> (and that is not hard)
 115 2014-03-12 00:38:42 antephialtic has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 116 2014-03-12 00:39:00 <SomeoneWeird> Imbue, ping me when you register and i'll enable your account
 117 2014-03-12 00:39:09 nsh_ is now known as nsh
 118 2014-03-12 00:39:11 <Imbue> sipa: but he could -reindex if he felt it necessary, still
 119 2014-03-12 00:39:20 <sipa> correct
 120 2014-03-12 00:39:28 <sipa> and that makes it perfectly saf ein any case
 121 2014-03-12 00:40:02 viajero has left ()
 122 2014-03-12 00:40:21 songz has quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
 123 2014-03-12 00:41:27 <jgarzik> Imbue, he could also -checklevel -checkblocks
 124 2014-03-12 00:41:29 <jgarzik> post-copy
 125 2014-03-12 00:41:36 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 126 2014-03-12 00:41:44 Xeno-Genesis has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 127 2014-03-12 00:42:04 <sipa> jgarzik: that doesn't nearly provide anything remotely comparable to a reindex
 128 2014-03-12 00:42:13 Persopolis has quit ()
 129 2014-03-12 00:42:14 btcinmypocket is now known as Lasseter
 130 2014-03-12 00:42:25 Apexseals has joined
 131 2014-03-12 00:42:25 <sipa> as the the rollback check that checkblocks does is at most a few 100 blocks
 132 2014-03-12 00:43:05 <sipa> you can increase how far it goes back with -dbcache, but you may need several gigabytes to rollback to genesis
 133 2014-03-12 00:43:54 sserrano44 has joined
 134 2014-03-12 00:44:06 JWU42 has joined
 135 2014-03-12 00:44:26 HaltingState has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 136 2014-03-12 00:45:54 antephialtic has joined
 137 2014-03-12 00:46:59 ItSANgo has joined
 138 2014-03-12 00:47:29 smash has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 139 2014-03-12 00:47:52 vrs has left ()
 140 2014-03-12 00:49:42 smash has joined
 141 2014-03-12 00:50:21 oPen_syLar has joined
 142 2014-03-12 00:50:21 oPen_syLar has quit (Changing host)
 143 2014-03-12 00:50:21 oPen_syLar has joined
 144 2014-03-12 00:50:43 beachandbytes has joined
 145 2014-03-12 00:50:53 lachesis has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 146 2014-03-12 00:50:54 majoh has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 147 2014-03-12 00:51:15 gasteve has joined
 148 2014-03-12 00:51:24 silkyyyy has joined
 149 2014-03-12 00:51:44 ConnorM has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 150 2014-03-12 00:51:44 owowo has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 151 2014-03-12 00:51:50 dstien_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 152 2014-03-12 00:52:01 <Imbue> i have registered with this username now
 153 2014-03-12 00:52:08 k9quaint has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 154 2014-03-12 00:52:30 <Imbue> what I am mainly looking for is, which directories contain files that have 'valuable' data in, if for example friend decides to give my copy to his friend, and so on
 155 2014-03-12 00:52:49 Zarutian has joined
 156 2014-03-12 00:53:25 <Imbue> wallet.dat and debug.log are obvious, but do the levelDB databases have any 'special markings' that could identify addresses 'used' at some point?
 157 2014-03-12 00:53:57 <sipa> no
 158 2014-03-12 00:55:25 b4epoche has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 159 2014-03-12 00:55:39 tonokip has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 160 2014-03-12 00:57:33 use_zfs_yo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 161 2014-03-12 00:57:33 Gnaf has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 162 2014-03-12 00:57:33 Ursium has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 163 2014-03-12 00:57:33 Azelphur has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 164 2014-03-12 00:57:33 murr4y has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 165 2014-03-12 00:57:33 q3k has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 166 2014-03-12 00:59:17 raminnoodle has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 167 2014-03-12 00:59:17 andytoshi has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 168 2014-03-12 00:59:17 sustrik has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 169 2014-03-12 00:59:17 agath has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 170 2014-03-12 00:59:17 jouke_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 171 2014-03-12 00:59:17 jaromil has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 172 2014-03-12 00:59:17 jeremias has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 173 2014-03-12 00:59:17 kinlo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 174 2014-03-12 00:59:17 ebfull has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 175 2014-03-12 00:59:17 knotwork has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 176 2014-03-12 00:59:17 Sorcier_FXK has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 177 2014-03-12 00:59:17 uiop has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 178 2014-03-12 00:59:17 ArthurNumba2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 179 2014-03-12 00:59:17 mikeche1en has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 180 2014-03-12 00:59:20 gvrooyen has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 181 2014-03-12 00:59:20 trippysa1mon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 182 2014-03-12 00:59:20 gimlet90210 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 183 2014-03-12 00:59:20 Mopman has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 184 2014-03-12 00:59:20 _alp_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 185 2014-03-12 00:59:20 tris- has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 186 2014-03-12 00:59:20 Guest23940 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 187 2014-03-12 00:59:20 cris has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 188 2014-03-12 00:59:20 OneMiner has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 189 2014-03-12 00:59:20 wumpus has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 190 2014-03-12 00:59:38 wumpus has joined
 191 2014-03-12 00:59:38 ArthurNumba2 has joined
 192 2014-03-12 00:59:47 kinlo has joined
 193 2014-03-12 00:59:57 __andares has joined
 194 2014-03-12 00:59:57 ebfull has joined
 195 2014-03-12 01:00:07 _alp_ has joined
 196 2014-03-12 01:00:09 mikeche1en has joined
 197 2014-03-12 01:00:11 sneak__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 198 2014-03-12 01:00:30 Mopman has joined
 199 2014-03-12 01:00:33 kaptah has joined
 200 2014-03-12 01:00:45 DaQatz has joined
 201 2014-03-12 01:00:51 jhfgh has joined
 202 2014-03-12 01:00:54 Azelphur has joined
 203 2014-03-12 01:00:57 brocktice has joined
 204 2014-03-12 01:00:57 kaptah is now known as Guest50846
 205 2014-03-12 01:01:00 <Imbue> okay. so chainstate and blocks/index are purely 'metadata' about the chain itself
 206 2014-03-12 01:01:06 Ursium has joined
 207 2014-03-12 01:01:16 raminnoodle has joined
 208 2014-03-12 01:01:17 Guest23940 has joined
 209 2014-03-12 01:01:17 asoltys_ has joined
 210 2014-03-12 01:01:45 sneak has joined
 211 2014-03-12 01:01:45 sneak has quit (Changing host)
 212 2014-03-12 01:01:45 sneak has joined
 213 2014-03-12 01:01:49 knotwork has joined
 214 2014-03-12 01:02:31 skinnkavaj has joined
 215 2014-03-12 01:02:31 happyface__ has joined
 216 2014-03-12 01:02:34 <wbaw> sipa, are there any plans for cutting the blockchain size?
 217 2014-03-12 01:02:51 draino has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 218 2014-03-12 01:02:51 asoltys has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 219 2014-03-12 01:02:51 happyface_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 220 2014-03-12 01:02:51 mjb504 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 221 2014-03-12 01:02:58 gjs278 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 222 2014-03-12 01:03:09 Hawkeye--- has joined
 223 2014-03-12 01:03:12 Sorcier_FXK has joined
 224 2014-03-12 01:03:22 robbin has joined
 225 2014-03-12 01:03:23 <wbaw> or the time it takes to download/verify it first time?
 226 2014-03-12 01:03:26 rlifchitz has joined
 227 2014-03-12 01:03:35 ematiu has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 228 2014-03-12 01:03:46 <Luke-Jr> wbaw: the latter, yes
 229 2014-03-12 01:03:47 tris has joined
 230 2014-03-12 01:04:10 yeshuah_ has joined
 231 2014-03-12 01:04:13 <wbaw> it seems to use 100% of one cpu for hours
 232 2014-03-12 01:04:35 <wbaw> could it be multi-threaded?
 233 2014-03-12 01:04:40 mjb504 has joined
 234 2014-03-12 01:04:53 cris has joined
 235 2014-03-12 01:04:59 yeshuah has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 236 2014-03-12 01:05:00 Stormeyes has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 237 2014-03-12 01:05:00 Phoebus has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 238 2014-03-12 01:05:00 Guest31870 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 239 2014-03-12 01:05:02 flammit has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 240 2014-03-12 01:05:02 Michail1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 241 2014-03-12 01:05:02 Soligor has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 242 2014-03-12 01:05:02 cajg has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 243 2014-03-12 01:05:02 emostar has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 244 2014-03-12 01:05:03 justusranvier has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 245 2014-03-12 01:05:03 flammit has joined
 246 2014-03-12 01:05:03 yeshuah_ is now known as yeshuah
 247 2014-03-12 01:05:10 BlueMatt has joined
 248 2014-03-12 01:05:13 uiop has joined
 249 2014-03-12 01:05:16 <sipa> wbaw: the cpu intensive part is
 250 2014-03-12 01:05:17 askmike has joined
 251 2014-03-12 01:05:18 andytoshi has joined
 252 2014-03-12 01:05:20 helo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 253 2014-03-12 01:05:20 sserrano44 has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
 254 2014-03-12 01:05:37 <sipa> there are several ways to improve performance still
 255 2014-03-12 01:05:50 <sipa> but it's unlikely to become less than "hours"
 256 2014-03-12 01:06:06 emostar has joined
 257 2014-03-12 01:06:06 q3k has joined
 258 2014-03-12 01:06:07 Soligor has joined
 259 2014-03-12 01:06:12 <wbaw> would checkpointing be impossible to implement?
 260 2014-03-12 01:06:23 Ogig has joined
 261 2014-03-12 01:06:27 <sipa> we already have checkpoints
 262 2014-03-12 01:06:30 <sipa> and we want to get rid of them
 263 2014-03-12 01:06:41 helo has joined
 264 2014-03-12 01:06:48 justusranvier has joined
 265 2014-03-12 01:07:08 <wbaw> it seems a bit useless to be verifying years old transactions
 266 2014-03-12 01:07:08 jazper- has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 267 2014-03-12 01:07:37 <sipa> the alternative is trusting someone to give you the state that results from these old transactions
 268 2014-03-12 01:07:47 <sipa> that's very much breaking bitcoin's security assumptions
 269 2014-03-12 01:08:18 <sipa> and we already don't verify signatures on old transactions, which is the most cpu intensive part
 270 2014-03-12 01:09:14 c0rw1n has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 271 2014-03-12 01:09:18 <wbaw> ~20gb is a lot already & it'll only grow
 272 2014-03-12 01:09:37 basva has joined
 273 2014-03-12 01:09:40 <Luke-Jr> forever
 274 2014-03-12 01:10:07 <sipa> meh
 275 2014-03-12 01:10:12 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 276 2014-03-12 01:10:28 <sipa> like people don't ever download 10gb+ files from the internet
 277 2014-03-12 01:10:45 pablog has quit (Quit: pablog)
 278 2014-03-12 01:10:48 <wbaw> that doesn't use 100% cpu too
 279 2014-03-12 01:11:03 ahmed__ has joined
 280 2014-03-12 01:11:10 <wbaw> it's not downloading at full speed on my computers, cpu limited
 281 2014-03-12 01:11:28 <wbaw> or memory access time, whatever, not bandwidth
 282 2014-03-12 01:11:28 <sipa> oh, that's just the crappy download mechanism, which is being worked on
 283 2014-03-12 01:11:59 <sipa> but if you want to skip the processing, you can copy the chainstate/blocks from another trusted node
 284 2014-03-12 01:12:11 <wbaw> and it'd be nice to be able to run a full node on lower spec hardware, even phones & tablets
 285 2014-03-12 01:12:24 <sipa> i'd also like a unicorn :)
 286 2014-03-12 01:12:30 <wbaw> i know
 287 2014-03-12 01:12:47 jazper- has joined
 288 2014-03-12 01:13:25 <wbaw> i will have a look to see if i can make any optimisations, but i'm still just starting to read the code
 289 2014-03-12 01:13:48 <Arnavion> It depends on what nodes you have the (mis)fortune to bootstrap off of too
 290 2014-03-12 01:13:48 basva has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 291 2014-03-12 01:14:03 _ImI_ has joined
 292 2014-03-12 01:14:05 <Arnavion> A lot of them like to give orphan blocks when fetching years-old blocks
 293 2014-03-12 01:14:07 <sipa> for now, yes
 294 2014-03-12 01:14:20 <Arnavion> which is just a waste of time and CPU to fetch and ignore
 295 2014-03-12 01:14:25 <sipa> Arnavion: not at all
 296 2014-03-12 01:14:36 stalled has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 297 2014-03-12 01:14:42 <wbaw> it seems a waste to be fetching years old blocks at all
 298 2014-03-12 01:14:52 uiop has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 299 2014-03-12 01:15:00 <sipa> Arnavion: they're reported as orphans because they arrive in the incorrect order
 300 2014-03-12 01:15:08 <Arnavion> Oh is that the reason
 301 2014-03-12 01:15:14 <sipa> which is the result of the crappy download code
 302 2014-03-12 01:15:16 <Arnavion> Never mind me then
 303 2014-03-12 01:15:28 <sipa> wbaw: well, that's just inevitable
 304 2014-03-12 01:15:42 <sipa> wbaw: you can't have zero trust confidence in history, if you don't get to see history
 305 2014-03-12 01:15:54 Gyps has joined
 306 2014-03-12 01:16:05 <wbaw> couldn't checkpoints be stored in a distributed way?
 307 2014-03-12 01:16:34 <wbaw> so you'd only need from the last checkpoint or two to run a node?
 308 2014-03-12 01:16:36 pierreatwork has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 309 2014-03-12 01:16:44 rlifchitz has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 310 2014-03-12 01:17:04 <justanotheruser> wbaw: Then you are vulnerable to sybil attacks
 311 2014-03-12 01:17:15 <sipa> wbaw: that's not really zero trust anymore :)
 312 2014-03-12 01:17:19 <wbaw> after it's had a few months of confirmations you can trust it
 313 2014-03-12 01:17:42 sirk390 has joined
 314 2014-03-12 01:17:47 uiop has joined
 315 2014-03-12 01:17:49 <wbaw> sipa, confirmations are a type of trust system
 316 2014-03-12 01:17:53 <gmaxwell> what does that even mean?.
 317 2014-03-12 01:18:03 <wbaw> trust?
 318 2014-03-12 01:18:05 <uiop> i pinged out..
 319 2014-03-12 01:18:07 <uiop> <uiop> would nodes compressing data sent over the wire give you much?
 320 2014-03-12 01:18:11 <uiop> <uiop> "ssh -C" and "curl --compress" certainly do wonders
 321 2014-03-12 01:18:13 <uiop> <uiop> (am i still connected?)
 322 2014-03-12 01:18:16 <gmaxwell> no, not really, miners are incentivized to do the right thing because they can't profitable cheat.
 323 2014-03-12 01:18:51 <gmaxwell> if you start letting them just make up arbritary history the incentives are very different. There may be cases where thats justifyable, but there ought to exist a system which can't be cheated.
 324 2014-03-12 01:19:07 rlifchitz has joined
 325 2014-03-12 01:19:17 <Arnavion> Could you make a chain of checkpoints that needs to be mined but has a super-high difficulty? You only get to mine a checkpoint block every few X (days, weeks, months) ?
 326 2014-03-12 01:19:26 <wbaw> every system can be cheated, you just need to make it hard and/or unprofitable
 327 2014-03-12 01:19:29 <sipa> Arnavion: what does that solve?
 328 2014-03-12 01:19:52 lnovy has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
 329 2014-03-12 01:19:56 <sipa> wbaw: right now, no bitcoin full node will _ever_ accept a block which 1) spends coins which don't exist 2) spends coins twice 3) spends coins without valid signature 4) creates m
 330 2014-03-12 01:20:02 <sipa> wbaw: right now, no bitcoin full node will _ever_ accept a block which 1) spends coins which don't exist 2) spends coins twice 3) spends coins without valid signature 4) creates more coins than allowed
 331 2014-03-12 01:20:09 <sipa> wbaw: under _no_ circumstances
 332 2014-03-12 01:20:13 <Arnavion> sipa: It would allow you to trust the checkpoint chain to a certain block, and not need to fetch blocks before that
 333 2014-03-12 01:20:15 dizko has joined
 334 2014-03-12 01:20:15 Guest83152 has joined
 335 2014-03-12 01:20:15 thrasher has joined
 336 2014-03-12 01:20:15 licnep has joined
 337 2014-03-12 01:20:15 Dyaheon has joined
 338 2014-03-12 01:20:15 YoY has joined
 339 2014-03-12 01:20:15 Eiii has joined
 340 2014-03-12 01:20:15 Namworld has joined
 341 2014-03-12 01:20:15 xnyhps has joined
 342 2014-03-12 01:20:15 bonks has joined
 343 2014-03-12 01:20:15 17SAATCLT has joined
 344 2014-03-12 01:20:15 wiz has joined
 345 2014-03-12 01:20:15 sl01 has joined
 346 2014-03-12 01:20:15 Michail1 has joined
 347 2014-03-12 01:20:15 Phoebus has joined
 348 2014-03-12 01:20:21 lnovy has joined
 349 2014-03-12 01:20:26 <Imbue> made a small edit to the data directory wiki page. many thanks for the help.
 350 2014-03-12 01:20:28 <sipa> Arnavion: why would it allow you to trust the checkpoint?
 351 2014-03-12 01:20:52 <Arnavion> Because the checkpoint is mined in the same way as the bitcoin blockchain is
 352 2014-03-12 01:20:56 <gmaxwell> if you're interested in trusting things, there are systems like paypal which are more more efficient and scalable than bitcoin.
 353 2014-03-12 01:21:01 hsmiths has quit (Quit: bit)
 354 2014-03-12 01:21:01 <sipa> we're currently not trusting miners
 355 2014-03-12 01:21:06 <wbaw> it'd be a trade-off for security, sure
 356 2014-03-12 01:21:17 pierreatwork has joined
 357 2014-03-12 01:21:21 <sipa> yes
 358 2014-03-12 01:21:32 <wbaw> but it could be minimised
 359 2014-03-12 01:21:34 <sipa> if you want that trade-off, run a SPV node
 360 2014-03-12 01:21:40 <Arnavion> sipa: You don't trust them, but you verify the block they create is valid, no?
 361 2014-03-12 01:21:48 <sipa> Arnavion: yes
 362 2014-03-12 01:21:50 <wbaw> and still cut the blockchain size required to run a node/miner
 363 2014-03-12 01:21:52 Michail1 has quit (Excess Flood)
 364 2014-03-12 01:21:56 Phoebus has quit (Changing host)
 365 2014-03-12 01:21:56 Phoebus has joined
 366 2014-03-12 01:21:57 <gmaxwell> Arnavion: the verification is what makes the system secure. Otherwise why wouldn't all miners just start— say— rewarding themselves 100 BTC/block ... because the system prohibits it through verification.
 367 2014-03-12 01:22:03 <Arnavion> gmaxwell: Yes
 368 2014-03-12 01:22:04 nickler has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 369 2014-03-12 01:22:06 <Arnavion> So why can't you do the same for a chain of checkpoints?
 370 2014-03-12 01:22:12 <sipa> Arnavion: but there wouldn't be a way to verify the checkpoint if you don't download the blocks it is contrucxted from
 371 2014-03-12 01:22:18 bonks is now known as Guest67153
 372 2014-03-12 01:22:18 wiz is now known as Guest80643
 373 2014-03-12 01:22:29 <Imbue> Arnavion: you can; it involves checking all the blocks
 374 2014-03-12 01:22:33 <Arnavion> Instead of transaction + nonce -> verifiable block you get set of blocks + nonce -> verifiable checkpoint
 375 2014-03-12 01:22:33 <Imbue> ;p
 376 2014-03-12 01:22:34 jordandotdev has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 377 2014-03-12 01:22:42 <wbaw> after so many hundreds or thousands of verifications i think you can be pretty sure though
 378 2014-03-12 01:22:45 <sipa> Arnavion: that's not how it works
 379 2014-03-12 01:22:45 paracyst has joined
 380 2014-03-12 01:22:46 <Arnavion> Ah
 381 2014-03-12 01:22:48 <Arnavion> Yes
 382 2014-03-12 01:22:48 <gmaxwell> Arnavion: that isn't what goes into verifying a block.
 383 2014-03-12 01:23:12 <sipa> wbaw: you don't get it; if you're not interested in the zero-trust model bitcoind provides, just use an SPV node, which doesn't evne need to download the block chain at all
 384 2014-03-12 01:23:15 <gmaxwell> Every node enforces all the rules tightly, blocks are responsible just for ordering transactions.
 385 2014-03-12 01:23:24 sirk390 has left ()
 386 2014-03-12 01:23:34 <gmaxwell> yea, if you don't care about verification bitcoin already has a super efficient mode that doesn't do it.
 387 2014-03-12 01:23:37 nickler has joined
 388 2014-03-12 01:23:44 <Arnavion> gmaxwell: sipa: I didn't mean that was the process of verifying blocks. I meant that was the thing that was verified
 389 2014-03-12 01:23:48 yeshuah has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 390 2014-03-12 01:23:53 <Arnavion> but what sipa said is right anyway
 391 2014-03-12 01:24:09 <Arnavion> that to verify the checkpoint you'd need to download the blocks it claims to checkpoint in the first place
 392 2014-03-12 01:24:35 jordandotdev has joined
 393 2014-03-12 01:24:52 <wbaw> sipa, it's not really a zero trust model, the confirmations are part of the trust model
 394 2014-03-12 01:24:58 uiop_ has joined
 395 2014-03-12 01:25:05 uiop_ has quit (Client Quit)
 396 2014-03-12 01:25:07 <sipa> that's a totally different thing
 397 2014-03-12 01:25:08 uiop has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 398 2014-03-12 01:25:22 <gmaxwell> wbaw: it is— up to ordering. Because there is no decenteralized way to provide ordering known.
 399 2014-03-12 01:25:23 <sipa> confirmations tell you how likely your transactions is to be reverted or not
 400 2014-03-12 01:25:41 uiop has joined
 401 2014-03-12 01:25:45 <sipa> which is the only (and unfortunate) part that cannot be decided deterministically
 402 2014-03-12 01:25:46 <gmaxwell> wbaw: but even there the verification limits the amount of evil that can be done by twiddling the ordering, thus narrowing the incentives for doing so.
 403 2014-03-12 01:26:00 <sipa> but for everything else, namely _validity_, we don't trust anyone
 404 2014-03-12 01:26:05 <wbaw> yes, it's a decentralised trust model
 405 2014-03-12 01:26:06 Michail1 has joined
 406 2014-03-12 01:26:16 hsmiths has joined
 407 2014-03-12 01:26:17 <gmaxwell> s/trust// validity is zero trust.
 408 2014-03-12 01:26:25 yeshuah_ has joined
 409 2014-03-12 01:26:44 <gmaxwell> ordering involves an incentive assumption, which is partially upheld by the fact that validity isn't in question.
 410 2014-03-12 01:26:45 <wbaw> you have to trust that a transaction is valid after x number of confirmations
 411 2014-03-12 01:26:53 <sipa> wbaw: AND is valid
 412 2014-03-12 01:26:59 <sipa> no, sorry
 413 2014-03-12 01:27:20 <sipa> we accept a transaction if it is valid AND has x number of confirmations
 414 2014-03-12 01:27:28 <sipa> but we don't compromise on validity
 415 2014-03-12 01:27:55 denisx has quit (Quit: denisx)
 416 2014-03-12 01:28:00 <sipa> if you don't care about that validity verification part, use an SPV node
 417 2014-03-12 01:28:05 <sipa> it only relies on confirmations
 418 2014-03-12 01:28:10 RoboTeddy has joined
 419 2014-03-12 01:28:10 <wbaw> i do care about that
 420 2014-03-12 01:28:25 <sipa> then run a full node, and accept that to get that security model, you have to see everything
 421 2014-03-12 01:28:25 <wbaw> but, not for really old transactions
 422 2014-03-12 01:28:35 <sipa> then copy the state from a node you trust
 423 2014-03-12 01:29:02 sirk3901 has joined
 424 2014-03-12 01:30:28 pierreatwork has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 425 2014-03-12 01:31:04 <gmaxwell> wbaw: right now miners today could rewrite the entire chain in only 60 days of computation, part of the reason they don't do this is because doing so wouldn't allow them to give themselves a 1m btc bonus (perhaps pay back mtgox lost funds?) while still keeping everyone elses funds instact. Eliminating verification of the old history would permit that.
 426 2014-03-12 01:31:06 uiop has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 427 2014-03-12 01:31:06 stalled has joined
 428 2014-03-12 01:31:26 yubrew has joined
 429 2014-03-12 01:32:16 <wbaw> maybe it'd need an altered blockchain to implement properly & wouldn't be possible with btc
 430 2014-03-12 01:32:27 uiop has joined
 431 2014-03-12 01:32:34 <sipa> unicorns :)
 432 2014-03-12 01:32:55 spinza has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
 433 2014-03-12 01:33:04 <gmaxwell> it's just a really substantially different tradeoff. I think its one that should exist, e.g. namecoin should work that way. But not Bitcoin.
 434 2014-03-12 01:33:48 <sipa> p2pool has a model where it forgets old shares, no?
 435 2014-03-12 01:33:49 <wbaw> i confess i've been thinking more about namecoin & maybe another alt based on that recently
 436 2014-03-12 01:34:16 c0rw1n has joined
 437 2014-03-12 01:34:26 ematiu has joined
 438 2014-03-12 01:34:35 <lagarde> anyone care to donate some testnet coins? mjZdKtFQtfQpkLnnEefJY97PxfC8dYsNKa
 439 2014-03-12 01:35:06 <gmaxwell> sipa: yes. doesn't need anything past the PPLNS window, and it's basically clocked against the bitcoin chain, meaning you'd have to throw out a lot of bitcoin mining work to attack its history.
 440 2014-03-12 01:35:15 <sipa> yup
 441 2014-03-12 01:35:32 <sipa> but you *could* create an invalid share chain (with huge mining power)
 442 2014-03-12 01:36:03 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 443 2014-03-12 01:36:11 <gmaxwell> yep. and right now there isn't a lot of sanity checking (it should probably just refuse to reorg onto a sharechain that removes too much of its work)
 444 2014-03-12 01:36:28 nickler has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 445 2014-03-12 01:37:24 askmike has joined
 446 2014-03-12 01:37:27 <Imbue> lagarde: sent
 447 2014-03-12 01:38:23 zcopley has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 448 2014-03-12 01:38:25 <lagarde> Imbue: thanks :)
 449 2014-03-12 01:39:55 copumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
 450 2014-03-12 01:40:12 sirk3901 has left ()
 451 2014-03-12 01:40:23 diki has quit ()
 452 2014-03-12 01:41:02 zcopley has joined
 453 2014-03-12 01:42:08 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 454 2014-03-12 01:42:36 <Imbue> does anyone know why I would have to add nodes manually in order to get testnet to connect to anyone?
 455 2014-03-12 01:42:48 <warren> hmm... trying 0.9 rc2 win64. gets stuck during verifying..
 456 2014-03-12 01:43:00 nova90 has quit (Quit: nova90)
 457 2014-03-12 01:43:07 <Imbue> upon start it will connect to the 'seed', then disconnect, and sit at 0, unless I go in and addnode xxxx
 458 2014-03-12 01:43:46 pierreatwork has joined
 459 2014-03-12 01:44:00 <Luke-Jr> Imbue: do you have IPv6, or just deprecated IPv4? :P
 460 2014-03-12 01:44:15 <Imbue> Luke-Jr: using tor (-proxy=...)
 461 2014-03-12 01:44:34 _Iriez is now known as Iriez
 462 2014-03-12 01:45:44 <Imbue> i'm not sure if it has full v6 support
 463 2014-03-12 01:46:13 banghouse has joined
 464 2014-03-12 01:46:34 <Luke-Jr> …
 465 2014-03-12 01:47:17 <Imbue> i think it is only supported for the initial connection (bridge to relay)
 466 2014-03-12 01:47:44 cadaver has joined
 467 2014-03-12 01:50:53 banghouse has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 468 2014-03-12 01:51:28 uiop has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 469 2014-03-12 01:51:58 <sipa> Imbue: do you want all your connections to go through tor?
 470 2014-03-12 01:52:30 <Imbue> sipa: the machine is firewalled off to other traffic
 471 2014-03-12 01:53:48 JZavala has joined
 472 2014-03-12 01:53:55 [\\\] has joined
 473 2014-03-12 01:54:13 ryan-c has quit (Excess Flood)
 474 2014-03-12 01:54:37 <Imbue> it looks like i can fix this by creating bitcoin.conf addnode entries, but i am wondering why it fails to connect to the node(s) that the seed gives me
 475 2014-03-12 01:54:57 ryan-c has joined
 476 2014-03-12 01:55:06 <davec> I noticed what looks like a very minor bug in the block template generation code.  When the sort order is changed to fees, the tx isn't inserted back into the priority queue and skipped if the priority is too low or it won't fit
 477 2014-03-12 01:55:12 smash has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 478 2014-03-12 01:55:40 <davec> that means a single too low prio or too large tx can sneak into the high-prio area
 479 2014-03-12 01:58:32 raid5 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
 480 2014-03-12 02:01:34 <sipa> hmm, interesting
 481 2014-03-12 02:02:27 random_cat has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
 482 2014-03-12 02:02:44 zcopley has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 483 2014-03-12 02:03:24 zcopley has joined
 484 2014-03-12 02:03:31 zcopley has quit (Client Quit)
 485 2014-03-12 02:03:34 <davec> I'll ticket it if you concur, but I wanted to make sure I'm reading that correctly first
 486 2014-03-12 02:03:43 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
 487 2014-03-12 02:03:48 <sipa> i haven't read that code in a long time, i must admit
 488 2014-03-12 02:03:55 <Luke-Jr> davec: miners shouldn't be using the example code there in the real world anyway
 489 2014-03-12 02:04:02 <Imbue> mainnet appears to manage fine
 490 2014-03-12 02:04:07 <Luke-Jr> davec: plus, it's mere policy
 491 2014-03-12 02:04:13 lalopalo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 492 2014-03-12 02:04:14 <sipa> sure, it's only policy
 493 2014-03-12 02:04:22 <sipa> but it should implement whatever it intends to implement
 494 2014-03-12 02:04:32 random_cat has joined
 495 2014-03-12 02:05:03 tris has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 496 2014-03-12 02:05:46 Application has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 497 2014-03-12 02:07:48 HaltingState has joined
 498 2014-03-12 02:07:58 lalopalo has joined
 499 2014-03-12 02:09:36 gasteve has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
 500 2014-03-12 02:11:01 phantomspark has joined
 501 2014-03-12 02:12:54 jtimon has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 502 2014-03-12 02:13:40 bbrian has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 503 2014-03-12 02:13:57 tris has joined
 504 2014-03-12 02:13:59 MagicalMole has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 505 2014-03-12 02:14:16 MagicalMole has joined
 506 2014-03-12 02:14:20 copumpkin has joined
 507 2014-03-12 02:16:08 nullp has joined
 508 2014-03-12 02:18:00 freggles has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 509 2014-03-12 02:18:08 ziggamon has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 510 2014-03-12 02:18:54 ziggamon has joined
 511 2014-03-12 02:23:14 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 512 2014-03-12 02:24:55 cadaver has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 513 2014-03-12 02:25:03 gasteve has joined
 514 2014-03-12 02:25:15 uiop has joined
 515 2014-03-12 02:25:30 yubrew has joined
 516 2014-03-12 02:26:44 twizt has joined
 517 2014-03-12 02:28:51 phantomspark has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 518 2014-03-12 02:29:02 Imbue has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
 519 2014-03-12 02:29:08 MagicalMole has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 520 2014-03-12 02:29:23 MagicalMole has joined
 521 2014-03-12 02:30:28 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 522 2014-03-12 02:30:54 Imbue has joined
 523 2014-03-12 02:33:34 ryanxcha_ has joined
 524 2014-03-12 02:34:09 adam3us has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
 525 2014-03-12 02:34:21 random_cat has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
 526 2014-03-12 02:34:27 adam3us has joined
 527 2014-03-12 02:35:29 agath_pd has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 528 2014-03-12 02:35:40 agath_pd has joined
 529 2014-03-12 02:36:27 Evolyn has quit (Quit: installing new moden, upgrade from 14.4 to 28.8)
 530 2014-03-12 02:36:44 ryanxcharles has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
 531 2014-03-12 02:37:22 askmike has joined
 532 2014-03-12 02:37:35 ryanxcha_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 533 2014-03-12 02:38:48 adam3us has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 534 2014-03-12 02:39:45 gasteve has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
 535 2014-03-12 02:42:03 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 536 2014-03-12 02:44:16 shesek has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 537 2014-03-12 02:47:09 ziggamon has joined
 538 2014-03-12 02:47:25 random_cat has joined
 539 2014-03-12 02:47:33 melvster has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 540 2014-03-12 02:48:39 tris has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 541 2014-03-12 02:50:09 antephialtic has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 542 2014-03-12 02:50:42 antephialtic has joined
 543 2014-03-12 02:51:35 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 544 2014-03-12 02:51:56 tris has joined
 545 2014-03-12 02:53:40 phantomspark has joined
 546 2014-03-12 02:53:57 <skinnkavaj> Is there trust involved with this? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270180.0
 547 2014-03-12 02:54:14 MagicalMole has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 548 2014-03-12 02:54:27 MagicalMole has joined
 549 2014-03-12 02:55:03 antephialtic has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 550 2014-03-12 02:55:48 ryanxcharles has joined
 551 2014-03-12 02:56:24 ryanxcharles has quit (Client Quit)
 552 2014-03-12 02:56:52 beachandbytes has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 553 2014-03-12 02:57:01 shesek has joined
 554 2014-03-12 02:57:19 RazielXYZ is now known as Raziel
 555 2014-03-12 02:57:34 <jcorgan> i think you'd be trusting the website not to store your private key when it gets constructed from the two halves.  that's probably done in JS in your browser, but either local or remote malware could compromise that.
 556 2014-03-12 02:58:38 Eggman33 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 557 2014-03-12 02:58:51 Eggman33 has joined
 558 2014-03-12 02:59:53 <SomeoneWeird> why does any letter after q take longer?
 559 2014-03-12 02:59:56 <SomeoneWeird> 0_o
 560 2014-03-12 03:02:02 aynstein_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 561 2014-03-12 03:02:24 pierreatwork has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 562 2014-03-12 03:04:16 cajg has joined
 563 2014-03-12 03:04:51 smash has joined
 564 2014-03-12 03:05:12 MagicalMole has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 565 2014-03-12 03:05:25 MagicalMole has joined
 566 2014-03-12 03:05:41 smash_ has joined
 567 2014-03-12 03:06:28 johnsoft has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 568 2014-03-12 03:06:42 johnsoft has joined
 569 2014-03-12 03:09:33 smash has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 570 2014-03-12 03:09:43 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 571 2014-03-12 03:10:18 basva has joined
 572 2014-03-12 03:11:45 Krellan_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 573 2014-03-12 03:14:30 basva has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 574 2014-03-12 03:15:45 MagicalMole has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 575 2014-03-12 03:15:58 MagicalMole has joined
 576 2014-03-12 03:17:20 Imbue has quit (Quit: Imbue)
 577 2014-03-12 03:17:50 Burrito has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 578 2014-03-12 03:18:19 Eggman33 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 579 2014-03-12 03:18:23 mrkent has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 580 2014-03-12 03:18:44 Eggman33 has joined
 581 2014-03-12 03:19:33 Dagger2 is now known as Dagger
 582 2014-03-12 03:19:40 yubrew has joined
 583 2014-03-12 03:20:59 phantomspark has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 584 2014-03-12 03:22:58 Eggman33 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 585 2014-03-12 03:23:48 johnsoft has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 586 2014-03-12 03:23:52 uiop has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 587 2014-03-12 03:24:14 johnsoft has joined
 588 2014-03-12 03:24:28 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 589 2014-03-12 03:25:50 phantomspark has joined
 590 2014-03-12 03:26:37 Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian)
 591 2014-03-12 03:28:17 MagicalMole has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 592 2014-03-12 03:28:33 MagicalMole has joined
 593 2014-03-12 03:29:37 wallet42 has joined
 594 2014-03-12 03:29:54 Gyps has quit (Quit: Gyps)
 595 2014-03-12 03:31:49 greenspa has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 596 2014-03-12 03:32:23 richcollins has joined
 597 2014-03-12 03:36:04 wallet42 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
 598 2014-03-12 03:37:30 Ogig has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 599 2014-03-12 03:37:31 askmike has joined
 600 2014-03-12 03:39:09 greenspa has joined
 601 2014-03-12 03:39:21 Application has joined
 602 2014-03-12 03:40:18 wallet42 has joined
 603 2014-03-12 03:40:44 wallet42 has quit (Client Quit)
 604 2014-03-12 03:41:28 ziggamon has joined
 605 2014-03-12 03:41:33 brson_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 606 2014-03-12 03:42:00 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 607 2014-03-12 03:42:01 lagarde has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
 608 2014-03-12 03:45:50 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 609 2014-03-12 03:46:04 robbin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 610 2014-03-12 03:46:28 robbin has joined
 611 2014-03-12 03:47:14 banghouse has joined
 612 2014-03-12 03:47:21 Subo1977 has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
 613 2014-03-12 03:49:29 Subo1977 has joined
 614 2014-03-12 03:49:30 snafoo_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 615 2014-03-12 03:50:46 snafoo has joined
 616 2014-03-12 03:50:57 antephialtic has joined
 617 2014-03-12 03:51:47 johnsoft has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 618 2014-03-12 03:51:54 banghouse has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 619 2014-03-12 03:52:38 johnsoft has joined
 620 2014-03-12 03:52:56 MagicalMole has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 621 2014-03-12 03:53:12 MagicalMole has joined
 622 2014-03-12 03:53:17 silkyyyy has quit (Quit: silkyyyy)
 623 2014-03-12 03:53:45 snafoo has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 624 2014-03-12 03:54:03 snafoo has joined
 625 2014-03-12 03:55:38 RazielZ has joined
 626 2014-03-12 03:55:51 <SomeoneWeird> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bie9GrgCQAEdTrc.png
 627 2014-03-12 03:55:56 Raziel has quit (Disconnected by services)
 628 2014-03-12 03:56:05 RazielZ is now known as Raziel
 629 2014-03-12 03:56:18 antephialtic has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 630 2014-03-12 03:58:54 denisx has joined
 631 2014-03-12 03:59:39 denisx has quit (Client Quit)
 632 2014-03-12 03:59:48 richcollins has quit (Quit: richcollins)
 633 2014-03-12 03:59:53 uiop has joined
 634 2014-03-12 03:59:58 basva has joined
 635 2014-03-12 04:00:11 leofidus has joined
 636 2014-03-12 04:01:40 phantomspark has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 637 2014-03-12 04:02:54 leofidus-ger has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 638 2014-03-12 04:02:54 leofidus is now known as leofidus-ger
 639 2014-03-12 04:04:00 MagicalMole has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 640 2014-03-12 04:04:44 uiop has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 641 2014-03-12 04:05:03 wallet42 has joined
 642 2014-03-12 04:05:19 MagicalMole has joined
 643 2014-03-12 04:06:12 non2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 644 2014-03-12 04:06:50 ematiu has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 645 2014-03-12 04:08:54 richcollins has joined
 646 2014-03-12 04:10:19 uiop has joined
 647 2014-03-12 04:10:27 Guest67153 is now known as bonks
 648 2014-03-12 04:10:33 bonks has quit (Changing host)
 649 2014-03-12 04:10:33 bonks has joined
 650 2014-03-12 04:11:09 skinnkavaj has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 651 2014-03-12 04:11:51 wallet42 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
 652 2014-03-12 04:12:41 Eggman33 has joined
 653 2014-03-12 04:13:33 hmsimha has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 654 2014-03-12 04:13:33 yubrew has joined
 655 2014-03-12 04:13:50 johnsoft has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 656 2014-03-12 04:14:13 johnsoft has joined
 657 2014-03-12 04:14:23 Eggman33 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 658 2014-03-12 04:14:50 Eggman33 has joined
 659 2014-03-12 04:16:02 nullp has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
 660 2014-03-12 04:18:02 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 661 2014-03-12 04:18:51 uiop has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 662 2014-03-12 04:18:52 Eggman33 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 663 2014-03-12 04:20:25 wallet42 has joined
 664 2014-03-12 04:20:41 non2 has joined
 665 2014-03-12 04:20:42 lagarde has joined
 666 2014-03-12 04:23:45 lagarde has quit (Client Quit)
 667 2014-03-12 04:24:25 wallet42 has quit (Client Quit)
 668 2014-03-12 04:25:46 ematiu has joined
 669 2014-03-12 04:26:35 uiop has joined
 670 2014-03-12 04:26:51 Cryo has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 671 2014-03-12 04:29:33 Guest38076 is now known as REGAIN
 672 2014-03-12 04:29:44 richcollins has quit (Quit: richcollins)
 673 2014-03-12 04:30:07 REGAIN is now known as BCB
 674 2014-03-12 04:30:22 BCB has quit (Changing host)
 675 2014-03-12 04:30:22 BCB has joined
 676 2014-03-12 04:31:28 Neozonz has joined
 677 2014-03-12 04:31:28 Neozonz has quit (Changing host)
 678 2014-03-12 04:31:28 Neozonz has joined
 679 2014-03-12 04:31:57 c0rw1n has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 680 2014-03-12 04:32:45 wallet42 has joined
 681 2014-03-12 04:33:17 CheckDavid has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
 682 2014-03-12 04:34:08 ematiu has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 683 2014-03-12 04:34:33 imsaguy has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 684 2014-03-12 04:34:40 Neozonz has quit (Discx2!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 685 2014-03-12 04:35:04 richcollins has joined
 686 2014-03-12 04:35:32 basva has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 687 2014-03-12 04:35:37 ziggamon has joined
 688 2014-03-12 04:37:26 askmike has joined
 689 2014-03-12 04:38:06 jtimon has joined
 690 2014-03-12 04:38:13 lalopalo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 691 2014-03-12 04:39:28 eoss has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 692 2014-03-12 04:40:04 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 693 2014-03-12 04:40:15 banghouse has joined
 694 2014-03-12 04:41:13 Blackreign has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 695 2014-03-12 04:42:09 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 696 2014-03-12 04:43:22 TheSeven has quit (Disconnected by services)
 697 2014-03-12 04:43:37 [7] has joined
 698 2014-03-12 04:44:58 nullp has joined
 699 2014-03-12 04:45:09 owowo has quit (Quit: owowo)
 700 2014-03-12 04:45:50 phantomspark has joined
 701 2014-03-12 04:46:06 Beef has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 702 2014-03-12 04:48:32 fpx has joined
 703 2014-03-12 04:52:47 Beef has joined
 704 2014-03-12 04:53:02 super3 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
 705 2014-03-12 04:59:46 olalonde has joined
 706 2014-03-12 04:59:52 jtcwang has joined
 707 2014-03-12 05:00:58 richcollins has quit (Quit: richcollins)
 708 2014-03-12 05:01:45 Application has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 709 2014-03-12 05:02:37 Gyps has joined
 710 2014-03-12 05:02:58 wallet42 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
 711 2014-03-12 05:05:17 gjs278 has joined
 712 2014-03-12 05:07:45 yubrew has joined
 713 2014-03-12 05:09:37 Application has joined
 714 2014-03-12 05:09:50 CBit has joined
 715 2014-03-12 05:09:50 drenllateno has joined
 716 2014-03-12 05:10:18 CBit has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 717 2014-03-12 05:10:20 drenllateno is now known as cbit
 718 2014-03-12 05:12:09 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 719 2014-03-12 05:13:13 vegard has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 720 2014-03-12 05:13:45 Copesetic has joined
 721 2014-03-12 05:14:55 MagicalMole has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 722 2014-03-12 05:15:07 MagicalMole has joined
 723 2014-03-12 05:15:22 vegard has joined
 724 2014-03-12 05:15:56 smash_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 725 2014-03-12 05:17:18 Ademan has quit (Quit: leaving)
 726 2014-03-12 05:17:30 dansmith_btc2 has joined
 727 2014-03-12 05:17:42 dansmith_btc2 has quit (Client Quit)
 728 2014-03-12 05:17:55 Gyps has quit (Quit: Gyps)
 729 2014-03-12 05:20:47 Soligor has quit (Quit: Soligor)
 730 2014-03-12 05:22:22 neuroMode has joined
 731 2014-03-12 05:24:28 Copesetic has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 732 2014-03-12 05:24:42 rasmuzen has joined
 733 2014-03-12 05:27:00 Lasseter has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
 734 2014-03-12 05:28:18 banghouse has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 735 2014-03-12 05:29:06 Application has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 736 2014-03-12 05:29:38 Application has joined
 737 2014-03-12 05:29:46 Eggman33 has joined
 738 2014-03-12 05:29:47 ziggamon has joined
 739 2014-03-12 05:29:48 Guest80643 is now known as wiz
 740 2014-03-12 05:31:20 twizt has quit (Quit: Page closed)
 741 2014-03-12 05:32:54 MagicalMole has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 742 2014-03-12 05:33:49 Eggman33 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 743 2014-03-12 05:34:11 MagicalMole has joined
 744 2014-03-12 05:34:40 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 745 2014-03-12 05:35:03 btcinmypocket has joined
 746 2014-03-12 05:36:31 Gyps has joined
 747 2014-03-12 05:36:40 benten has joined
 748 2014-03-12 05:36:48 Application has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 749 2014-03-12 05:37:25 askmike has joined
 750 2014-03-12 05:39:29 roidster has joined
 751 2014-03-12 05:39:43 imsaguy has joined
 752 2014-03-12 05:40:04 nullp has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
 753 2014-03-12 05:42:09 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 754 2014-03-12 05:43:57 Application has joined
 755 2014-03-12 05:44:57 antephialtic has joined
 756 2014-03-12 05:48:01 RoboTedd_ has joined
 757 2014-03-12 05:52:04 RoboTeddy has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 758 2014-03-12 05:52:40 RoboTedd_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 759 2014-03-12 05:54:21 adam3us has joined
 760 2014-03-12 05:55:06 rdymac has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 761 2014-03-12 05:59:57 MagicalMole has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 762 2014-03-12 06:00:11 MagicalMole has joined
 763 2014-03-12 06:00:12 rdymac has joined
 764 2014-03-12 06:00:59 Applicat_ has joined
 765 2014-03-12 06:02:12 yubrew has joined
 766 2014-03-12 06:03:03 Application has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 767 2014-03-12 06:05:09 Applicat_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 768 2014-03-12 06:07:04 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 769 2014-03-12 06:10:02 tombtc has joined
 770 2014-03-12 06:10:09 Application has joined
 771 2014-03-12 06:11:35 paveljanik has joined
 772 2014-03-12 06:12:23 benten has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
 773 2014-03-12 06:14:21 kermit has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
 774 2014-03-12 06:15:04 kermit has joined
 775 2014-03-12 06:15:18 Application has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 776 2014-03-12 06:17:44 lalopalo has joined
 777 2014-03-12 06:18:09 RoboTeddy has joined
 778 2014-03-12 06:18:22 di_sc has joined
 779 2014-03-12 06:18:28 RoboTeddy has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 780 2014-03-12 06:18:42 tombtc has quit (Quit: Wychodzi)
 781 2014-03-12 06:18:45 RoboTeddy has joined
 782 2014-03-12 06:19:47 spinza has joined
 783 2014-03-12 06:20:42 Application has joined
 784 2014-03-12 06:22:53 coeus has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 785 2014-03-12 06:23:29 antephialtic has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 786 2014-03-12 06:23:42 lalopalo has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 787 2014-03-12 06:23:50 lalopalo_ has joined
 788 2014-03-12 06:24:00 ziggamon has joined
 789 2014-03-12 06:24:05 lalopalo_ is now known as lalopalo
 790 2014-03-12 06:26:24 smash has joined
 791 2014-03-12 06:28:24 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 792 2014-03-12 06:29:59 jeewee has joined
 793 2014-03-12 06:30:42 smash has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 794 2014-03-12 06:34:42 imsaguy has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 795 2014-03-12 06:37:25 askmike has joined
 796 2014-03-12 06:37:39 johnsoft has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 797 2014-03-12 06:38:29 johnsoft has joined
 798 2014-03-12 06:38:55 VossArtesian_ has joined
 799 2014-03-12 06:39:53 rasmuzen has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 800 2014-03-12 06:40:33 VossArtesian has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 801 2014-03-12 06:41:50 Applicat_ has joined
 802 2014-03-12 06:41:54 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 803 2014-03-12 06:42:59 Application has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 804 2014-03-12 06:43:43 EagleTM has joined
 805 2014-03-12 06:44:35 benten has joined
 806 2014-03-12 06:44:59 benten is now known as Guest5183
 807 2014-03-12 06:45:32 <olalonde> is it possible to programmatically detect a master public key (the one from HD BIP)
 808 2014-03-12 06:46:07 <olalonde> as opposed to a regular public key
 809 2014-03-12 06:47:31 justanotheruser is now known as just[dead]
 810 2014-03-12 06:47:46 Application has joined
 811 2014-03-12 06:47:50 imsaguy has joined
 812 2014-03-12 06:49:48 <jcorgan> olalonde: no, the public keys (and generated addresses) are indistinguishable from public keys generated from fresh randomness each time
 813 2014-03-12 06:50:37 ielo has joined
 814 2014-03-12 06:50:59 <jcorgan> but, a "master public key" is actually a public key plus more information, so if you have one, you'd know it
 815 2014-03-12 06:51:00 Applicat_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 816 2014-03-12 06:51:25 bluekelp has joined
 817 2014-03-12 06:51:57 Applicat_ has joined
 818 2014-03-12 06:52:18 Application has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 819 2014-03-12 06:53:40 <olalonde> jcorgan: yes that's what I mean
 820 2014-03-12 06:53:40 Applicat_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 821 2014-03-12 06:54:01 VossArtesian_ has quit (Quit: Leaving...)
 822 2014-03-12 06:54:02 <olalonde> jcorgan: it's possible to detect some string is a master public key
 823 2014-03-12 06:54:03 Ursium has quit (Quit: Ursium)
 824 2014-03-12 06:55:36 Application has joined
 825 2014-03-12 06:56:17 yubrew has joined
 826 2014-03-12 06:59:18 cagedwisdom has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 827 2014-03-12 06:59:41 roidster has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [SeaMonkey 2.22.1/20131113180422])
 828 2014-03-12 07:01:04 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 829 2014-03-12 07:02:33 ghtdak has joined
 830 2014-03-12 07:05:44 _ImI_ has joined
 831 2014-03-12 07:06:29 mn3m0nic has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 832 2014-03-12 07:08:36 Wild0wnes has quit ()
 833 2014-03-12 07:09:28 nsh has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 834 2014-03-12 07:10:52 ThomasV has joined
 835 2014-03-12 07:12:23 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
 836 2014-03-12 07:15:57 lalopalo has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 837 2014-03-12 07:17:52 olalonde has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 838 2014-03-12 07:17:54 Guest5183 has quit (Changing host)
 839 2014-03-12 07:17:54 Guest5183 has joined
 840 2014-03-12 07:18:01 Guest5183 is now known as benten-
 841 2014-03-12 07:18:10 ziggamon has joined
 842 2014-03-12 07:18:29 Cryo has joined
 843 2014-03-12 07:18:29 Cryo has quit (Changing host)
 844 2014-03-12 07:18:29 Cryo has joined
 845 2014-03-12 07:19:55 Gyps has quit (Quit: Gyps)
 846 2014-03-12 07:21:02 Xarikins has joined
 847 2014-03-12 07:21:20 sois has joined
 848 2014-03-12 07:21:35 nsh has joined
 849 2014-03-12 07:21:47 nsh has quit (Changing host)
 850 2014-03-12 07:21:47 nsh has joined
 851 2014-03-12 07:22:04 Xarian has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 852 2014-03-12 07:22:34 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 853 2014-03-12 07:22:47 ubermonkey has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)
 854 2014-03-12 07:22:50 cagedwisdom has joined
 855 2014-03-12 07:23:52 gavinandresen has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 856 2014-03-12 07:24:59 ghtdak has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
 857 2014-03-12 07:25:20 _ImI_ has joined
 858 2014-03-12 07:26:10 cagedwisdom has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 859 2014-03-12 07:27:13 jayne has quit (Ping timeout: 619 seconds)
 860 2014-03-12 07:28:06 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 861 2014-03-12 07:29:12 banghouse has joined
 862 2014-03-12 07:29:52 cagedwisdom has joined
 863 2014-03-12 07:31:39 gavinandresen has joined
 864 2014-03-12 07:33:30 nsh_ has joined
 865 2014-03-12 07:33:42 banghouse has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 866 2014-03-12 07:33:54 cagedwisdom has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 867 2014-03-12 07:36:44 nsh has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 868 2014-03-12 07:37:22 askmike has joined
 869 2014-03-12 07:37:49 nsh__ has joined
 870 2014-03-12 07:38:24 nsh_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 871 2014-03-12 07:39:03 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
 872 2014-03-12 07:39:35 SwampTony has joined
 873 2014-03-12 07:39:36 hmmma has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 874 2014-03-12 07:41:00 mn3monic has joined
 875 2014-03-12 07:42:21 askmike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 876 2014-03-12 07:43:05 da2ce7 has joined
 877 2014-03-12 07:46:02 towski_ has joined
 878 2014-03-12 07:48:11 mappum has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 879 2014-03-12 07:48:57 Coincidental has joined
 880 2014-03-12 07:49:14 phantomspark has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
 881 2014-03-12 07:50:07 askmike has joined
 882 2014-03-12 07:50:17 yubrew has joined
 883 2014-03-12 07:50:26 askmike has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 884 2014-03-12 07:52:04 nsh__ is now known as nsh
 885 2014-03-12 07:52:09 nsh has quit (Changing host)
 886 2014-03-12 07:52:09 nsh has joined
 887 2014-03-12 07:54:00 johnsoft has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 888 2014-03-12 07:54:26 da2ce7 has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
 889 2014-03-12 07:54:36 johnsoft has joined
 890 2014-03-12 07:54:55 da2ce7 has joined
 891 2014-03-12 07:55:04 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 892 2014-03-12 07:57:00 aynstein has joined
 893 2014-03-12 07:57:05 abossard has joined
 894 2014-03-12 08:00:39 ielo has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 895 2014-03-12 08:00:52 phantomspark has joined
 896 2014-03-12 08:00:57 tarantillo_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 897 2014-03-12 08:01:12 tarantillo_ has joined
 898 2014-03-12 08:02:55 warren has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
 899 2014-03-12 08:03:56 warren has joined
 900 2014-03-12 08:05:40 cysm has joined
 901 2014-03-12 08:06:27 go1111111 has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
 902 2014-03-12 08:12:19 ziggamon has joined
 903 2014-03-12 08:14:36 Ostkaka has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
 904 2014-03-12 08:14:41 Ostkaka_ has joined
 905 2014-03-12 08:15:21 neuroMode has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 906 2014-03-12 08:17:00 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 907 2014-03-12 08:17:07 benten- has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
 908 2014-03-12 08:19:12 paveljanik has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 909 2014-03-12 08:20:50 MoALTz has joined
 910 2014-03-12 08:23:31 aynstein has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 911 2014-03-12 08:24:10 aynstein has joined
 912 2014-03-12 08:24:35 ThomasV has joined
 913 2014-03-12 08:25:42 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 914 2014-03-12 08:28:40 aynstein has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 915 2014-03-12 08:29:52 EagleTM has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 916 2014-03-12 08:30:12 beachandbytes has joined
 917 2014-03-12 08:31:10 Ademan has joined
 918 2014-03-12 08:32:17 <CodeShark> I think I'm actually starting to like getwork better than getblocktemplate despite its hideous formatting :(
 919 2014-03-12 08:32:19 <CodeShark> it's more abstract
 920 2014-03-12 08:32:30 phantomspark has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 921 2014-03-12 08:32:36 <CodeShark> I don't like the idea of the miner program having to know a damn thing about the block format
 922 2014-03-12 08:33:37 <wumpus> it has to, to be able to increase the nonce itself and such
 923 2014-03-12 08:33:44 <wumpus> otherwise it's not scaleable
 924 2014-03-12 08:33:58 <CodeShark> but that's just because of original poor design :p
 925 2014-03-12 08:34:04 <CodeShark> the miner should be passed raw data and a nonce
 926 2014-03-12 08:34:06 <CodeShark> period :)
 927 2014-03-12 08:34:10 <wumpus> it's all for a reason
 928 2014-03-12 08:34:32 <wumpus> should it? I'd like miners more involved, not less
 929 2014-03-12 08:34:51 <CodeShark> in that case there should be a separate service that sits between the p2p node and the miner
 930 2014-03-12 08:35:01 <wumpus> having all kinds of protocol/transaction specific decisions at the end user means less centralization in decisions with pools etc...
 931 2014-03-12 08:35:02 <CodeShark> which does things like block construction and tx selection
 932 2014-03-12 08:35:56 <Ademan> gmaxwell: I don't suppose you went to the local bitcoin event tonight did you?
 933 2014-03-12 08:36:43 xabbix_ has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
 934 2014-03-12 08:37:07 <CodeShark> point is the piece of software that directly connects to the mining hardware should require as little knowledge of block structure as possible
 935 2014-03-12 08:37:20 <CodeShark> that should be handled by a separate layer
 936 2014-03-12 08:37:40 wei__ has joined
 937 2014-03-12 08:37:42 <CodeShark> that way we can work with proof-of-work abstractly
 938 2014-03-12 08:37:51 wei__ has quit (Client Quit)
 939 2014-03-12 08:38:43 <CodeShark> said piece of software should be concerned with one thing and one thing only - driving hardware to find a nonce
 940 2014-03-12 08:38:44 hmmma has joined
 941 2014-03-12 08:39:35 <CodeShark> then we'll have much greater flexibility to either change block header formats or experiment with alts
 942 2014-03-12 08:40:01 buZz_ is now known as buZz
 943 2014-03-12 08:40:01 <CodeShark> I feel like these things are slowing down the rate of innovation
 944 2014-03-12 08:40:54 W0rmDr1nk has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 945 2014-03-12 08:41:08 <beachandbytes> the more you abstract away the structure the slower you make it
 946 2014-03-12 08:41:14 <CodeShark> huh?!
 947 2014-03-12 08:41:15 <beachandbytes> so I doubt you will see that in the mining space
 948 2014-03-12 08:41:41 <CodeShark> how much faster could you possibly get than a midstate, a nonce range, and a target?
 949 2014-03-12 08:43:02 <beachandbytes> barely even know what tha tis
 950 2014-03-12 08:44:03 jouke has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 951 2014-03-12 08:44:17 <CodeShark> by "abstract" I mean we just feed the software that drives the mining hardware the data it needs to search for nonces - we don't even burden this layer with formatting of block headers and preprocessing them
 952 2014-03-12 08:44:22 <beachandbytes> actually, I recognize the terminology but new to this space so my comment was more general, if your writing code with performance in mind you can optimize further if you don't develop to an abstract model
 953 2014-03-12 08:44:27 yubrew has joined
 954 2014-03-12 08:44:33 <wumpus> in any case you're welcome to propose new standards for that
 955 2014-03-12 08:44:51 MoALTz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 956 2014-03-12 08:45:19 <CodeShark> all the formatting and preprocessing is done by a software layer which will certainly NOT be the bottleneck
 957 2014-03-12 08:46:16 MoALTz has joined
 958 2014-03-12 08:47:52 nsh has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 959 2014-03-12 08:48:07 <beachandbytes> so what advantage do you gain from this abstraction
 960 2014-03-12 08:48:25 <CodeShark> decoupling of block chain logic from nonce finding
 961 2014-03-12 08:49:00 <CodeShark> allows development of block chain protocols to proceed independently of mining equipment
 962 2014-03-12 08:49:04 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 963 2014-03-12 08:49:29 <CodeShark> and mining/pool software
 964 2014-03-12 08:49:30 <beachandbytes> so calls into differnt nonce finding hardware or software?
 965 2014-03-12 08:49:54 <CodeShark> the "work" in "proof-of-work" comes down to finding nonces
 966 2014-03-12 08:50:01 MoALTz_ has joined
 967 2014-03-12 08:50:25 <CodeShark> such that a specific condition is satisfied - namely hash(data + nonce) <= target
 968 2014-03-12 08:50:33 sois has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)
 969 2014-03-12 08:50:33 MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 970 2014-03-12 08:51:01 <CodeShark> the layer that performs this operation, in principle, doesn't need to know a damn thing about data
 971 2014-03-12 08:51:10 <beachandbytes> Ya, I "kinda" get all that, I'm just wondering if your talking about an abstraction right above hardware aka asics etc, or a general software solution above a hardware driver
 972 2014-03-12 08:51:23 cbit has quit (Quit: Leaving)
 973 2014-03-12 08:51:54 <wumpus> tbh I think passing the data in bitcoin mining is a solved problem, the current solutions work, I'm not so sure if people would be receptive to new solutions unless they bring something like increased hashrate, or better decentralization
 974 2014-03-12 08:52:25 nsh has joined
 975 2014-03-12 08:52:36 <CodeShark> or better blockchain protocols with more advanced and modular features :)
 976 2014-03-12 08:53:00 markus__ has joined
 977 2014-03-12 08:53:07 MoALTz_ has quit (Client Quit)
 978 2014-03-12 08:53:18 MoALTz has joined
 979 2014-03-12 08:53:38 <CodeShark> the fundamental insight of bitcoin is the fact you can use proof-of-work to do decentralized timestamping by rewarding work
 980 2014-03-12 08:53:39 <wumpus> if you want to help bitcoin mining in a concrete way, support the P2Pool project
 981 2014-03-12 08:54:15 <CodeShark> everything else about bitcoin is merely a specific implementation that's largely circumstantial and historic - not fundamental
 982 2014-03-12 08:54:43 <wumpus> isn't that the case with almost everything people do? path dependence all the way
 983 2014-03-12 08:55:34 paveljanik has joined
 984 2014-03-12 08:55:50 <CodeShark> point is I'd love to apply this insight generally to a bunch of applications, not just one specific implementation of one specific application
 985 2014-03-12 08:55:56 <wumpus> we've inherited this mess, we can't redesign everything, so we need to focus on where the pain points are
 986 2014-03-12 08:58:11 MagicalMole has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 987 2014-03-12 08:58:25 MagicalMole has joined
 988 2014-03-12 08:59:17 <CodeShark> for me the pain points are in the fact that if I want to experiment with these ideas or tweak anything I have to reimplement an entire stack and can't reuse very much…or if I reuse stuff, I'm extremely limited in what I can really tweak
 989 2014-03-12 09:00:16 <wumpus> btw small offtopic question in case anyone knows: I have a list of country codes and numbers, what's the quickest/easiest way of visualizing these on a world map? (a simple red..green scale would do)
 990 2014-03-12 09:00:30 <CodeShark> this explains to a large extent why the vast majority of alt chains only tweak superficial stuff
 991 2014-03-12 09:00:48 <CodeShark> changing anything significant requires basically starting from scratch :P
 992 2014-03-12 09:01:00 jtimon has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 993 2014-03-12 09:01:10 <wumpus> CodeShark: possibly that's an advantage, we wouldn't want to help competitors too much do we :)
 994 2014-03-12 09:01:37 <CodeShark> I want to see this space evolve - I want to see this technology flourish
 995 2014-03-12 09:01:44 <CodeShark> I'm not in it for one particular coin
 996 2014-03-12 09:02:13 <CodeShark> I'd love to see capable competition if it drives us to excel and be better
 997 2014-03-12 09:02:54 t7 has joined
 998 2014-03-12 09:03:00 <CodeShark> anyhow, perhaps this isn't the best forum for this chat :)
 999 2014-03-12 09:03:12 <wumpus> yes it was pretty much a snarky commment :p
1000 2014-03-12 09:03:22 <wumpus> not serious
1001 2014-03-12 09:06:25 hmsimha has joined
1002 2014-03-12 09:06:29 ziggamon has joined
1003 2014-03-12 09:06:40 Eiii has quit ()
1004 2014-03-12 09:07:15 nullp has joined
1005 2014-03-12 09:10:39 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1006 2014-03-12 09:12:44 Eagle[TM] has joined
1007 2014-03-12 09:12:48 _ImI_ has joined
1008 2014-03-12 09:14:29 draino has joined
1009 2014-03-12 09:14:31 airbreather_1 has joined
1010 2014-03-12 09:15:10 Guyver2 has joined
1011 2014-03-12 09:15:28 Raccoon has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1012 2014-03-12 09:15:51 _BNCatDIGISHELL has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1013 2014-03-12 09:17:55 draino_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1014 2014-03-12 09:17:55 airbreather has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1015 2014-03-12 09:18:49 fanquake has joined
1016 2014-03-12 09:23:57 hmmma has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1017 2014-03-12 09:26:01 kennv has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1018 2014-03-12 09:26:22 gavinandresen_ has joined
1019 2014-03-12 09:26:24 kennv has joined
1020 2014-03-12 09:26:24 kennv has quit (Changing host)
1021 2014-03-12 09:26:24 kennv has joined
1022 2014-03-12 09:26:43 UukGoblin has quit (Changing host)
1023 2014-03-12 09:26:43 UukGoblin has joined
1024 2014-03-12 09:27:50 ge0x has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
1025 2014-03-12 09:27:57 MagicalMole has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1026 2014-03-12 09:28:38 jordandotdev has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
1027 2014-03-12 09:29:16 gavinandresen has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1028 2014-03-12 09:29:17 gavinandresen_ is now known as gavinandresen
1029 2014-03-12 09:30:11 banghouse has joined
1030 2014-03-12 09:30:24 embicoin has joined
1031 2014-03-12 09:33:03 TD has joined
1032 2014-03-12 09:33:40 dreamspark has joined
1033 2014-03-12 09:33:54 pdrayton has joined
1034 2014-03-12 09:34:22 antephialtic has joined
1035 2014-03-12 09:34:33 banghouse has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1036 2014-03-12 09:34:47 aynstein has joined
1037 2014-03-12 09:34:53 Namworld has quit ()
1038 2014-03-12 09:35:14 Xeno-Genesis has joined
1039 2014-03-12 09:35:56 ge0x has joined
1040 2014-03-12 09:36:11 HeySteve has joined
1041 2014-03-12 09:38:44 yubrew has joined
1042 2014-03-12 09:39:30 aynstein has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1043 2014-03-12 09:40:26 TD has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1044 2014-03-12 09:40:57 TD has joined
1045 2014-03-12 09:42:26 <comboy> wumpus: https://developers.google.com/chart/interactive/docs/gallery/geomap is easy
1046 2014-03-12 09:42:44 ziggamon has joined
1047 2014-03-12 09:42:49 <wumpus> comboy: I ended up with http://jvectormap.com/ already, but thanks :)
1048 2014-03-12 09:43:12 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1049 2014-03-12 09:45:00 btcinmypocket has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1050 2014-03-12 09:47:09 buhbuh has joined
1051 2014-03-12 09:47:13 testnode9 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1052 2014-03-12 09:47:32 testnode9 has joined
1053 2014-03-12 09:50:23 btcinmypocket has joined
1054 2014-03-12 09:50:38 benrcole has joined
1055 2014-03-12 09:50:50 benrcole has left ()
1056 2014-03-12 09:53:09 Raccoon has joined
1057 2014-03-12 09:53:10 BNCatDIGISHELL has joined
1058 2014-03-12 09:54:22 nsh has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1059 2014-03-12 09:55:34 markus__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1060 2014-03-12 09:57:09 nsh has joined
1061 2014-03-12 09:57:09 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1062 2014-03-12 10:04:08 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
1063 2014-03-12 10:04:08 CodeShark has quit (Quit: Goodbye)
1064 2014-03-12 10:05:58 <venzen> OT, but just my thought briefly: altcoins are good because they explore and test the uncharted waters - that's the good thing about FOSS
1065 2014-03-12 10:07:34 BNCatDIGISHELL has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1066 2014-03-12 10:08:31 <venzen> could somebody please point me to file in the code where a tx-related var (input or output) is declared and used frequently
1067 2014-03-12 10:08:41 <venzen> *a file
1068 2014-03-12 10:12:32 cagedwisdom has joined
1069 2014-03-12 10:13:58 W0rmDr1nk has joined
1070 2014-03-12 10:15:30 Xeno-Genesis has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1071 2014-03-12 10:17:53 _ImI_ has joined
1072 2014-03-12 10:24:12 lagarde has joined
1073 2014-03-12 10:24:35 soixante has joined
1074 2014-03-12 10:24:59 <soixante> HI. guys  , if a group of governments decide to censur bitcoin, how would the network react ?
1075 2014-03-12 10:25:56 <soixante> example: all ISPs in bunch of countries start filter against bitcoin
1076 2014-03-12 10:26:21 <soixante> to prevent mining , prevent transfer of BTC , etc
1077 2014-03-12 10:27:07 <soixante>  ???
1078 2014-03-12 10:27:45 <soixante>  have to make disconnect now ,but i'll check the chat logs later for a reply, thanx guys
1079 2014-03-12 10:27:59 soixante has left ()
1080 2014-03-12 10:28:24 BNCatDIGISHELL has joined
1081 2014-03-12 10:28:42 paveljanik has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1082 2014-03-12 10:29:24 <sturles> The internet is designed to circumvent all attempts of censorship.
1083 2014-03-12 10:29:36 <sturles> It is a bug.
1084 2014-03-12 10:29:51 <venzen> lots going on: i'm working on a series of articles about p2pool - i've really got to get an income stream going - so that's one thing
1085 2014-03-12 10:30:03 <venzen> sorry wrong window
1086 2014-03-12 10:33:04 yubrew has joined
1087 2014-03-12 10:35:02 RoboTedd_ has joined
1088 2014-03-12 10:35:54 uiop has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1089 2014-03-12 10:37:04 RoboTeddy has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1090 2014-03-12 10:37:27 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1091 2014-03-12 10:38:32 jhfgh has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1092 2014-03-12 10:39:40 <venzen> ...what a shame telling everyone I'm eating toast with banana peel
1093 2014-03-12 10:40:04 jtcwang has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1094 2014-03-12 10:42:22 jhfgh has joined
1095 2014-03-12 10:50:51 SwampTony has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1096 2014-03-12 10:51:18 SwampTony has joined
1097 2014-03-12 10:51:53 SwampTony has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1098 2014-03-12 10:52:17 SwampTony has joined
1099 2014-03-12 10:52:42 <epscy> sturles: tell that to people in china
1100 2014-03-12 10:52:49 hZti has joined
1101 2014-03-12 10:52:54 <hZti> Hi
1102 2014-03-12 10:53:40 <sturles> epscy: They can as well if they want to.
1103 2014-03-12 10:53:51 one_zero has quit ()
1104 2014-03-12 10:54:28 <epscy> sturles we should take this to #bitcoin
1105 2014-03-12 10:54:56 <sturles> Yep.
1106 2014-03-12 10:55:25 JyZyXEL- has quit (Quit: "")
1107 2014-03-12 10:56:01 JyZyXEL has joined
1108 2014-03-12 10:56:19 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1109 2014-03-12 10:57:30 Plinker_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1110 2014-03-12 10:59:52 Neozonz has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1111 2014-03-12 11:02:20 neuroMode has joined
1112 2014-03-12 11:03:58 jhfgh has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1113 2014-03-12 11:04:07 llllllllll has joined
1114 2014-03-12 11:05:16 dub has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1115 2014-03-12 11:06:51 asoltys_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1116 2014-03-12 11:07:09 nullp has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
1117 2014-03-12 11:07:55 asoltys has joined
1118 2014-03-12 11:09:34 Klumben has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1119 2014-03-12 11:10:37 kihvnl has joined
1120 2014-03-12 11:10:57 Urushiol has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1121 2014-03-12 11:12:06 asoltys has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1122 2014-03-12 11:12:27 airbreather_1 is now known as airbreather
1123 2014-03-12 11:12:28 haigent has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1124 2014-03-12 11:12:51 haigent has joined
1125 2014-03-12 11:13:11 Urushiol has joined
1126 2014-03-12 11:13:31 hZti has quit (Quit: hZti)
1127 2014-03-12 11:13:37 asoltys has joined
1128 2014-03-12 11:13:57 Urushiol has quit (Changing host)
1129 2014-03-12 11:13:57 Urushiol has joined
1130 2014-03-12 11:17:06 Urushiol has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1131 2014-03-12 11:17:24 dub has joined
1132 2014-03-12 11:17:45 Urushiol has joined
1133 2014-03-12 11:18:43 Urushiol has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1134 2014-03-12 11:19:58 Urushiol has joined
1135 2014-03-12 11:20:06 Urushiol has quit (Changing host)
1136 2014-03-12 11:20:06 Urushiol has joined
1137 2014-03-12 11:20:43 asoltys has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1138 2014-03-12 11:20:59 Urushiol has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
1139 2014-03-12 11:21:49 dub has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1140 2014-03-12 11:21:56 asoltys has joined
1141 2014-03-12 11:22:28 pierreatwork has joined
1142 2014-03-12 11:22:38 Urushiol has joined
1143 2014-03-12 11:22:43 Urushiol has quit (Changing host)
1144 2014-03-12 11:22:43 Urushiol has joined
1145 2014-03-12 11:26:44 nsh_ has joined
1146 2014-03-12 11:26:58 sirk390 has joined
1147 2014-03-12 11:27:03 yubrew has joined
1148 2014-03-12 11:27:37 Arnavion has quit (Quit: Arnavion)
1149 2014-03-12 11:27:51 dub has joined
1150 2014-03-12 11:27:54 bit14 has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1151 2014-03-12 11:28:25 nsh has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1152 2014-03-12 11:28:52 gasteve has joined
1153 2014-03-12 11:29:23 murr5y is now known as murr4y
1154 2014-03-12 11:29:59 viperhr has joined
1155 2014-03-12 11:29:59 antephialtic has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1156 2014-03-12 11:30:54 banghouse has joined
1157 2014-03-12 11:31:19 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1158 2014-03-12 11:32:55 phantomspark has joined
1159 2014-03-12 11:33:28 nsh_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1160 2014-03-12 11:33:39 buhbuh has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1161 2014-03-12 11:34:01 paveljanik has joined
1162 2014-03-12 11:34:26 ziggamon has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1163 2014-03-12 11:34:28 hmsimha has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1164 2014-03-12 11:34:37 Hawkeye--- is now known as Stormeyes
1165 2014-03-12 11:34:48 maraoz has joined
1166 2014-03-12 11:34:58 Stormeyes has quit (Changing host)
1167 2014-03-12 11:34:58 Stormeyes has joined
1168 2014-03-12 11:35:16 Arnavion has joined
1169 2014-03-12 11:35:52 banghouse has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1170 2014-03-12 11:46:03 Stormeyes has quit (Quit: Into the black hole we go ......)
1171 2014-03-12 11:46:24 Stormeyes has joined
1172 2014-03-12 11:49:28 aynstein has joined
1173 2014-03-12 11:51:24 nsh has joined
1174 2014-03-12 11:53:52 pierreatwork has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1175 2014-03-12 11:54:03 melvster has joined
1176 2014-03-12 11:56:23 benrcole has joined
1177 2014-03-12 11:56:28 TD has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1178 2014-03-12 11:56:28 Starduster has joined
1179 2014-03-12 11:57:00 rdymac has quit (Excess Flood)
1180 2014-03-12 11:59:23 Lexa has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1181 2014-03-12 12:00:21 Lexa has joined
1182 2014-03-12 12:00:28 antephialtic has joined
1183 2014-03-12 12:01:42 rdymac has joined
1184 2014-03-12 12:04:43 pierreatwork has joined
1185 2014-03-12 12:06:33 loltu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1186 2014-03-12 12:08:43 RocketNuts has joined
1187 2014-03-12 12:08:47 agricocb has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1188 2014-03-12 12:08:52 ircuser-6 has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
1189 2014-03-12 12:08:52 antephialtic has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1190 2014-03-12 12:09:01 Tykling has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1191 2014-03-12 12:09:40 paveljanik has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1192 2014-03-12 12:09:41 <RocketNuts> with a default bitcoin-qt (latest) install, is it possible to get the balance of other addresses than the ones in my own wallet?
1193 2014-03-12 12:10:18 <RocketNuts> and if not, is it possible to add or import a custom address in my wallet? (as some sort of watch-only address,as I don't have the privkey)
1194 2014-03-12 12:10:39 <RocketNuts> I understood getreceivedbyaddress <address> returns zero for addresses that ain't in my own wallet
1195 2014-03-12 12:11:58 buhbuh has joined
1196 2014-03-12 12:12:28 btcinmypocket is now known as Lasseter
1197 2014-03-12 12:14:52 gasteve has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
1198 2014-03-12 12:17:48 loltu has joined
1199 2014-03-12 12:18:50 <wumpus> RocketNuts: not out of the box, there is a pull that can add watchonly addresses: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3383
1200 2014-03-12 12:18:59 RBRubicon has joined
1201 2014-03-12 12:19:11 Breign has joined
1202 2014-03-12 12:19:45 Tykling has joined
1203 2014-03-12 12:21:14 fanquake has quit (Quit: fanquake)
1204 2014-03-12 12:21:24 Dyaheon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1205 2014-03-12 12:23:06 paveljanik has joined
1206 2014-03-12 12:26:39 Davincij has joined
1207 2014-03-12 12:27:09 MolokoDeck has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1208 2014-03-12 12:27:23 Imbue has joined
1209 2014-03-12 12:27:28 Davincij15 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1210 2014-03-12 12:27:33 <Imbue> on the discussion of 'bad download code' yesterday
1211 2014-03-12 12:27:46 <Imbue> one upside is that it prevents my machine from being pegged at 100%, thus avoiding it overheating and dying
1212 2014-03-12 12:27:56 <Imbue> lol
1213 2014-03-12 12:28:14 <Imbue> saves me from having to cpulimit the process... worth it! :P
1214 2014-03-12 12:28:21 Emcy_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1215 2014-03-12 12:29:32 qwebirc52534 has joined
1216 2014-03-12 12:29:46 aynstein_ has joined
1217 2014-03-12 12:30:10 Emcy has joined
1218 2014-03-12 12:30:10 Emcy has quit (Changing host)
1219 2014-03-12 12:30:10 Emcy has joined
1220 2014-03-12 12:32:08 ematiu has joined
1221 2014-03-12 12:32:45 <Imbue> it's doing surprisingly well considering how crap my laptop is. 50% overnight.
1222 2014-03-12 12:32:46 aynstein has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1223 2014-03-12 12:33:30 ralphtheninja has joined
1224 2014-03-12 12:35:03 phrackage has joined
1225 2014-03-12 12:35:06 ziggamon has joined
1226 2014-03-12 12:35:15 gasteve has joined
1227 2014-03-12 12:35:29 <phrackage> How do I go about this: I'd like to watch a given bitcoin address, and if there's a transfer from it, run a script
1228 2014-03-12 12:35:55 <phrackage> ideally within seconds or minutes, e.g. no confirmations needed
1229 2014-03-12 12:36:51 pjanik has joined
1230 2014-03-12 12:36:58 <phrackage> a shell script that uses bitcoind would be fine, but I can't see the functionality in bitcoind currently
1231 2014-03-12 12:37:03 paveljanik has quit (Read error: No route to host)
1232 2014-03-12 12:39:36 RoboTedd_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1233 2014-03-12 12:39:57 MagicalMole has joined
1234 2014-03-12 12:40:10 pjanik has quit (Client Quit)
1235 2014-03-12 12:40:14 RoboTeddy has joined
1236 2014-03-12 12:40:22 paveljanik has joined
1237 2014-03-12 12:41:57 thecluck_ is now known as thecluck
1238 2014-03-12 12:43:04 zibbo has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1239 2014-03-12 12:44:52 RoboTeddy has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1240 2014-03-12 12:45:28 ArthurNumba2 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1241 2014-03-12 12:45:42 Neozonz has joined
1242 2014-03-12 12:48:49 benten has joined
1243 2014-03-12 12:49:00 jouke has joined
1244 2014-03-12 12:49:13 benten is now known as Guest60347
1245 2014-03-12 12:50:23 HANTI is now known as hanti
1246 2014-03-12 12:52:23 agath_pd is now known as agath
1247 2014-03-12 12:52:34 paveljanik has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1248 2014-03-12 12:52:55 SwampTony has joined
1249 2014-03-12 12:54:21 <melvster> Do I have this right?  Very early tx used to have just OP_CHECKSIG at the end
1250 2014-03-12 12:54:26 SwampTony has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1251 2014-03-12 12:54:41 <melvster> but these days you have OP_DUP OP_HASH160 and OP_EQUALVERIFY
1252 2014-03-12 12:54:55 gasteve has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
1253 2014-03-12 12:55:20 lagarde has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1254 2014-03-12 12:55:25 ircuser-6 has joined
1255 2014-03-12 12:56:36 zibbo has joined
1256 2014-03-12 12:57:28 <kjj> correct.  the new sequence we use allows the output script to contain a hash, rather than a signature
1257 2014-03-12 12:57:38 <kjj> er, rather than a pubkey
1258 2014-03-12 12:58:13 <melvster> kjj: thanks ... do you know roughly when it changed?  I assume both styles are still valid?
1259 2014-03-12 12:58:17 <kjj> the old style is still valid, but it is wasteful
1260 2014-03-12 12:58:28 <melvster> ah interesting
1261 2014-03-12 12:58:29 <kjj> it might be nonstandard now too.  not sure about that part
1262 2014-03-12 12:58:54 <kjj> the hash part was added a long time ago.  I don't know exactly when.  before I got involved in mid-2011
1263 2014-03-12 12:59:28 <melvster> thanks ... yeah those old public keys were pretty long
1264 2014-03-12 13:00:17 <melvster> kjj: so am i right to say old sytle would be "Public Key" here and new style "Hash160" ? http://brainwallet.org/
1265 2014-03-12 13:00:35 <melvster> I wonder why satoshi didnt do that in the first place ...
1266 2014-03-12 13:01:11 ryanxcharles has joined
1267 2014-03-12 13:01:40 <kjj> didn't think of it, didn't have time to implement it, who knows
1268 2014-03-12 13:02:05 <melvster> true
1269 2014-03-12 13:02:13 ralphtheninja has quit (Quit: leaving)
1270 2014-03-12 13:02:14 <kjj> I don't know what that website has, but based on the names you've mentioned, those are probably right
1271 2014-03-12 13:02:16 agricocb has joined
1272 2014-03-12 13:02:47 <melvster> great ... it's a cool site btw
1273 2014-03-12 13:02:51 <melvster> great for debugging
1274 2014-03-12 13:03:15 roidster has joined
1275 2014-03-12 13:04:04 <kjj> I believe you.  but I always grow weary of people confusing random websites with bitcoin
1276 2014-03-12 13:04:15 <melvster> hehe
1277 2014-03-12 13:04:20 halo22_ has joined
1278 2014-03-12 13:04:33 <kjj> blockchain.info is the worst offender, but I'm not sure they are really doing anything wrong
1279 2014-03-12 13:05:01 <buZz> 'wrong' is a vague definition
1280 2014-03-12 13:05:15 <buZz> according to US law they may be doing 'right' things by giving NSA all kinds of data
1281 2014-03-12 13:05:20 <buZz> but imho thats totally wrong
1282 2014-03-12 13:05:40 antephialtic has joined
1283 2014-03-12 13:05:40 HeySteve2 has joined
1284 2014-03-12 13:05:40 HeySteve2 has quit (Changing host)
1285 2014-03-12 13:05:40 HeySteve2 has joined
1286 2014-03-12 13:05:53 <kjj> I think our train of thought just fell off the tracks
1287 2014-03-12 13:06:35 <buZz> sorry :D
1288 2014-03-12 13:07:15 HeySteve has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1289 2014-03-12 13:09:04 agricocb has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1290 2014-03-12 13:09:58 Guest60347 has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
1291 2014-03-12 13:10:36 Dyaheon has joined
1292 2014-03-12 13:10:54 benrcole has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1293 2014-03-12 13:12:20 volante has joined
1294 2014-03-12 13:12:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|melvster: "old style" is pay-to-pubkey
1295 2014-03-12 13:12:57 <melvster> ah ok
1296 2014-03-12 13:13:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|"New style", any transaction paying to an address starting with 1, is pay-to-pubkey-hash
1297 2014-03-12 13:13:52 skinnkavaj has joined
1298 2014-03-12 13:14:00 <melvster> got it
1299 2014-03-12 13:14:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|With p2pk, the scriptPubKey is the pubkey and op_chrcksig
1300 2014-03-12 13:14:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Checksig*
1301 2014-03-12 13:14:14 beachandbytes has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1302 2014-03-12 13:14:16 <volante> question about pool mining.. generally they only distribute a block header right? so does that mean asics only can modify timestamp and nonce to vary the header?
1303 2014-03-12 13:14:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The scriptSig for p2pk is just the signature
1304 2014-03-12 13:15:10 Ursium has joined
1305 2014-03-12 13:15:12 yubrew has joined
1306 2014-03-12 13:15:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|With p2pkh, the scriptPubKey is op_dup, op_hash160, the pubkey hash, op_equalverify, op_chrcksig
1307 2014-03-12 13:15:40 philkoshy has joined
1308 2014-03-12 13:15:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The scriptSig is the signature followed by the pubkey
1309 2014-03-12 13:16:00 antephialtic has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1310 2014-03-12 13:16:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|So a copy of the pubkey is made, that copy is hashed
1311 2014-03-12 13:16:45 <kjj> volante: that hasn't been true for a long time
1312 2014-03-12 13:17:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Then the hash to pay to (the address) is pushed onto the stack, and compared to the hash of the provided pubkey
1313 2014-03-12 13:17:25 <volante> kjj: so what does the asic get and what fields can it vary?
1314 2014-03-12 13:17:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Using equalverify, meaning that if it's not equal it fails immediately
1315 2014-03-12 13:17:35 <kjj> volante: look for the stratum protocol
1316 2014-03-12 13:17:48 maraoz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1317 2014-03-12 13:17:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Then what's left on the stack is the signature and te pubkey, which are compared
1318 2014-03-12 13:18:06 <gavinandresen> kjj: pubkey OP_CHECKSIG actually uses less space in the blockchain than pay-to-pubkey-hash, so it would be less 'wasteful'
1319 2014-03-12 13:18:47 maraoz has joined
1320 2014-03-12 13:19:09 lnovy has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1321 2014-03-12 13:19:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hm, does Bitcoin Core notice transactions that pay to a wallet pubkey?
1322 2014-03-12 13:19:17 lnovy has joined
1323 2014-03-12 13:19:18 <kjj> gavinandresen: a deeper analysis would have to account for blockchain savings of transactions that are never redeemed.  though we'll have to approximate our value of 'never'
1324 2014-03-12 13:19:44 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1325 2014-03-12 13:20:11 <Imbue> ok, turns out the later blocks require me to cpulimit. but such is life. :P
1326 2014-03-12 13:20:21 * Imbue adds pennies to laptop fund
1327 2014-03-12 13:20:32 <kjj> and just for completeness, I suppose we sould mention that pay-to-hash is "safer", should the world ever solve the DLP
1328 2014-03-12 13:20:36 bbrian has joined
1329 2014-03-12 13:20:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Imbue: blocks before the last checkpoint have signature verification skipped
1330 2014-03-12 13:21:01 <Imbue> ah, I see. when is the last one?
1331 2014-03-12 13:21:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What version?
1332 2014-03-12 13:21:11 <Imbue> 0.8.6
1333 2014-03-12 13:21:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|0.8.6 is 150,000
1334 2014-03-12 13:21:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|250,000
1335 2014-03-12 13:21:22 <Imbue> hah
1336 2014-03-12 13:21:25 <Imbue> i'm at block 251,000
1337 2014-03-12 13:21:28 <Imbue> :P
1338 2014-03-12 13:21:44 <melvster> scripts seems to start 19 76 a9 14  <hash160> ee ac ... so LENGTH=0x19  OP_DUP OP_HASH160 <???network address=14?> <hash> OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG
1339 2014-03-12 13:21:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Upgrade to 0.9.0rc2, that has a checkpoint at 179000
1340 2014-03-12 13:21:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|279000*
1341 2014-03-12 13:21:52 <Imbue> thanks micha. good job i caught it. limit to 40% or 50% should be fine.
1342 2014-03-12 13:22:09 <Imbue> it's okay, i can just let it verify a bit slower
1343 2014-03-12 13:22:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|melvster: 0x14=20*160/8
1344 2014-03-12 13:22:38 <melvster> ohhhh
1345 2014-03-12 13:22:51 <melvster> michagogo|cloud awesome thanks
1346 2014-03-12 13:23:05 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|s/*/=/
1347 2014-03-12 13:23:09 agricocb has joined
1348 2014-03-12 13:23:45 <volante> kjj: ahh i see, it sends the coinbase transaction and merkle branch so they can modify the merkle tree.  makes sense, cos i was wondering how they could hash faster than 4GH without running out of block headers
1349 2014-03-12 13:24:28 nsh has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1350 2014-03-12 13:26:04 djcoin_ has quit (Quit: djcoin_)
1351 2014-03-12 13:28:44 <philkoshy> DLP?
1352 2014-03-12 13:28:54 <philkoshy> oh, discrete log problem - nvm
1353 2014-03-12 13:29:22 Zarutian has joined
1354 2014-03-12 13:31:44 bbrian has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1355 2014-03-12 13:31:47 banghouse has joined
1356 2014-03-12 13:31:51 Klumben has joined
1357 2014-03-12 13:36:03 Adlai has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1358 2014-03-12 13:36:45 Adlai has joined
1359 2014-03-12 13:37:20 Klumben has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1360 2014-03-12 13:37:54 nsh has joined
1361 2014-03-12 13:38:21 TD has joined
1362 2014-03-12 13:38:28 benrcole has joined
1363 2014-03-12 13:38:53 DougieBot5000 has joined
1364 2014-03-12 13:39:28 Guest23940 is now known as Muis
1365 2014-03-12 13:39:39 Muis has quit (Changing host)
1366 2014-03-12 13:39:39 Muis has joined
1367 2014-03-12 13:39:39 Muis has quit (Changing host)
1368 2014-03-12 13:39:39 Muis has joined
1369 2014-03-12 13:39:45 bbrian has joined
1370 2014-03-12 13:41:38 Neozonz has joined
1371 2014-03-12 13:41:38 Neozonz has quit (Disc!~Neozonz@198-84-191-16.cpe.teksavvy.com|Changing host)
1372 2014-03-12 13:41:38 Neozonz has joined
1373 2014-03-12 13:42:37 volante has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1374 2014-03-12 13:44:08 Neozonz has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1375 2014-03-12 13:45:29 ryanxcharles has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1376 2014-03-12 13:48:40 gasteve has joined
1377 2014-03-12 13:48:40 gasteve has quit (Changing host)
1378 2014-03-12 13:48:40 gasteve has joined
1379 2014-03-12 13:49:14 Raziel has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1380 2014-03-12 13:50:40 maraoz has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1381 2014-03-12 13:50:54 maraoz has joined
1382 2014-03-12 13:50:55 paveljanik has joined
1383 2014-03-12 13:51:31 Adlai has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1384 2014-03-12 13:52:01 Adlai has joined
1385 2014-03-12 13:52:16 benrcole has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1386 2014-03-12 13:52:50 bettilltheriver has quit ()
1387 2014-03-12 13:52:56 <Imbue> phrackage: not sure if your question was answered
1388 2014-03-12 13:53:17 <Imbue> phrackage: however, I just found a command '-walletnotify' which looks interesting
1389 2014-03-12 13:53:33 <Imbue> ;;bc,wiki Running bitcoin
1390 2014-03-12 13:53:33 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin | Nov 22, 2013 ... You can run one copy of either Bitcoin or bitcoind on your system at a time (if you accidently try to launch another, the copy will let you know that ...
1391 2014-03-12 13:53:53 <phrackage> Imbue: in bitcoind?
1392 2014-03-12 13:54:13 <Imbue> it sounds like it will watch the entire wallet rather than a given address though
1393 2014-03-12 13:54:27 <Imbue> i think those commands apply to both qt and d. try bitcoind --help
1394 2014-03-12 13:54:40 HeySteve has joined
1395 2014-03-12 13:55:08 <Imbue> i mean, -qt is just an interface to the daemon, if i am not mistaken
1396 2014-03-12 13:56:08 doggone has joined
1397 2014-03-12 13:56:15 HeySteve2 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1398 2014-03-12 13:56:21 doggone is now known as volante
1399 2014-03-12 13:56:38 bbrian has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1400 2014-03-12 13:56:41 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
1401 2014-03-12 13:58:00 banghouse has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1402 2014-03-12 13:58:24 rastapopuloto has joined
1403 2014-03-12 13:58:27 Eggman33 has joined
1404 2014-03-12 13:58:32 bitwyre has joined
1405 2014-03-12 13:58:47 ryanxcharles has joined
1406 2014-03-12 14:00:57 <volante> are the hashes used in a block's merkle tree different to the "transaction id"?  and not malleable?
1407 2014-03-12 14:01:27 banghouse has joined
1408 2014-03-12 14:01:44 <kuzetsa> volante: once it's made it into a block it's no longer malleable
1409 2014-03-12 14:01:52 <kuzetsa> other than that, not sure what you're asking
1410 2014-03-12 14:02:16 Eiii has joined
1411 2014-03-12 14:04:02 <kuzetsa> volante: is there a specific context or usage case you're asking about? I think I may have misunderstood your question
1412 2014-03-12 14:04:05 dims_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1413 2014-03-12 14:04:47 Chief_Panda has joined
1414 2014-03-12 14:04:47 Chief_Panda has quit (Changing host)
1415 2014-03-12 14:04:47 Chief_Panda has joined
1416 2014-03-12 14:05:01 <volante> kuzetsa: i think i get it now.  i was thinking that malleability allowed you to modify the transaction without changing the id, but im realising thats wrong
1417 2014-03-12 14:05:29 c0rw1n has joined
1418 2014-03-12 14:05:44 <Imbue> the 'opposite' is true, it allows you to modify the id without changing the material aspects of the transaction
1419 2014-03-12 14:06:10 <kuzetsa> ^ yeah, that. the signature itself stays the same, but the ID / hash changes.
1420 2014-03-12 14:06:32 <kuzetsa> the "signature" (signed transaction / what's being spent) stays the same with malleability
1421 2014-03-12 14:06:40 <volante> ok that clears it up, thanks.
1422 2014-03-12 14:06:40 <kuzetsa> it's really more of a "transaction hash malleability"
1423 2014-03-12 14:06:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Imbue: walletnotify is a configuration option
1424 2014-03-12 14:07:09 Guest60347 has joined
1425 2014-03-12 14:07:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It specifies a command to run when a wallet transaction is seen (and when it's confirmed, iirc)
1426 2014-03-12 14:07:49 <Imbue> yes
1427 2014-03-12 14:08:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It's not a command.
1428 2014-03-12 14:08:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Also, Bitcoin-Qt isn't an interface to the daemon
1429 2014-03-12 14:08:27 <Imbue> i should have said commandline option
1430 2014-03-12 14:08:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It's standalone
1431 2014-03-12 14:09:00 <Imbue> i see
1432 2014-03-12 14:09:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|With much (all?) of the ssa
1433 2014-03-12 14:09:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|...the same code as bitcoind, plus code for the GUI
1434 2014-03-12 14:10:00 yubrew has joined
1435 2014-03-12 14:12:02 RBRubicon has quit (Quit: quit.....)
1436 2014-03-12 14:12:10 _ImI_ has joined
1437 2014-03-12 14:12:52 antephialtic has joined
1438 2014-03-12 14:13:03 [\\\] has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1439 2014-03-12 14:15:16 Guest60347 has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
1440 2014-03-12 14:15:50 benrcole has joined
1441 2014-03-12 14:16:29 dims_ has joined
1442 2014-03-12 14:17:20 antephialtic has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1443 2014-03-12 14:17:43 rastapopuloto has left ("Leaving")
1444 2014-03-12 14:18:31 pbuchan has joined
1445 2014-03-12 14:20:20 viajero has joined
1446 2014-03-12 14:25:30 sustrik_ has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1447 2014-03-12 14:28:26 HeySteve has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1448 2014-03-12 14:29:31 JackH has joined
1449 2014-03-12 14:35:32 <venzen> btw, regarding my request for some variables earlier, this explication (whoever did it) is the shizniz: https://dev.visucore.com/bitcoin/doxygen/main_8cpp.html
1450 2014-03-12 14:37:21 gimlet is now known as gimlet90210
1451 2014-03-12 14:37:32 gimlet90210 has quit (Changing host)
1452 2014-03-12 14:37:32 gimlet90210 has joined
1453 2014-03-12 14:38:29 petcat has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1454 2014-03-12 14:39:14 NeatBasis has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1455 2014-03-12 14:40:16 <Tykling> is there an eta on a bitcoind release that will show balances correctly regardless of unprocessed transactions ? a few weeks ago I was told that it was estimated within a week so just checking for an update on that estimate :)
1456 2014-03-12 14:41:44 ft_ has joined
1457 2014-03-12 14:41:53 petcat has joined
1458 2014-03-12 14:42:25 pbuchan has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
1459 2014-03-12 14:44:57 NeatBasis has joined
1460 2014-03-12 14:45:03 jgarzik_ has joined
1461 2014-03-12 14:47:44 benten has joined
1462 2014-03-12 14:48:08 benten is now known as Guest79631
1463 2014-03-12 14:48:19 vingt-2 has joined
1464 2014-03-12 14:49:53 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
1465 2014-03-12 14:50:38 JackH has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1466 2014-03-12 14:51:46 agricocb has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1467 2014-03-12 14:52:02 kihvnl has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1468 2014-03-12 14:53:54 SwampTony has joined
1469 2014-03-12 14:53:55 SwampTony has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1470 2014-03-12 14:56:02 JackH has joined
1471 2014-03-12 14:58:20 RocketNuts has quit (Quit: Page closed)
1472 2014-03-12 14:58:50 MoALTz_ has joined
1473 2014-03-12 14:59:07 kihvnl has joined
1474 2014-03-12 15:00:49 gavinandresen_ has joined
1475 2014-03-12 15:01:13 eristisk has joined
1476 2014-03-12 15:01:42 MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1477 2014-03-12 15:03:13 yubrew has quit ()
1478 2014-03-12 15:03:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Tykling: 0.9.0rc2 has been available for a while
1479 2014-03-12 15:03:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You can get it at bitcoin.org/bin
1480 2014-03-12 15:05:10 <Tykling> oh really, I see, I'd like to wait for a release if at all possible though, but do you know if any changes are expected between rc2 and the release ?
1481 2014-03-12 15:06:07 yubrew has joined
1482 2014-03-12 15:06:23 <Anduck> i sent a tx yesterday with 0.8.6 with 0-fee (automatic)
1483 2014-03-12 15:06:31 <Anduck> still unconfirmed...
1484 2014-03-12 15:06:44 <Anduck> do i need to make a raw tx with a fee to override this or what?
1485 2014-03-12 15:08:30 CheckDavid has joined
1486 2014-03-12 15:09:07 <kinlo> Anduck: if you create a raw tx with the same inputs, that transaction will be rejected
1487 2014-03-12 15:09:36 <kinlo> Anduck: better question to ask is "is this transaction in the memory pools on the bitcoin network"
1488 2014-03-12 15:09:43 <kinlo> Anduck: what's the txid?
1489 2014-03-12 15:09:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Tykling: I think an rc3 is planned any day now
1490 2014-03-12 15:09:56 <Anduck> https://blockchain.info/tx/e9cf3ced8dcf3c7139f529fb46121c87464dbfa6dcfad1a385dd50dfaa5a2080
1491 2014-03-12 15:09:59 <Anduck> kinlo: ^
1492 2014-03-12 15:11:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Anduck: an easy way to pay a fee on a no-fee tx to get it confirmed is to spend the change with fees to cover both transactions
1493 2014-03-12 15:11:10 <kinlo> Anduck: I think you should just be patient and don't screw stuff up :)
1494 2014-03-12 15:11:20 <kinlo> Anduck: it's in my mempool, so I shall mine it
1495 2014-03-12 15:11:31 <Anduck> kinlo: great :) do you own a pool?
1496 2014-03-12 15:11:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Then any miner that uses CPFP (such as Eligius) will pick them up
1497 2014-03-12 15:11:58 <kinlo> Anduck: yeah, but don't expect me to mine it soon :p
1498 2014-03-12 15:12:11 OneFixt_ is now known as OneFixt
1499 2014-03-12 15:12:15 <Anduck> kinlo: ok :) what pool is it btw?
1500 2014-03-12 15:12:24 <kinlo> Anduck: it's not in the template so if I would find a block it wouldn't be included
1501 2014-03-12 15:12:33 <Anduck> alright
1502 2014-03-12 15:12:34 <kinlo> it's just in my mempool, so it will get in eventually
1503 2014-03-12 15:13:26 <kinlo> Anduck: what you *could* do is send a transaction with a fee that uses an output of the previous transaction, the "child pays for parent" logic would make the transaction behave as if it would have a fee
1504 2014-03-12 15:13:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|kinlo: I just said that
1505 2014-03-12 15:13:42 <Anduck> ohh, true true
1506 2014-03-12 15:13:42 <kinlo> Anduck: but unless the transaction needs to go trough very fast, I'd ignore it
1507 2014-03-12 15:14:03 <kinlo> anyway, this does seem to be a #bitcoin discussion, not a -dev imho :/
1508 2014-03-12 15:14:13 <Anduck> well i already got msg from the store that 'your payment didnt go through, we cancel the order'
1509 2014-03-12 15:14:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Anduck: which store?
1510 2014-03-12 15:15:13 <Anduck> a finnish bitcoin store
1511 2014-03-12 15:15:16 <kinlo> Anduck: triplemining btw
1512 2014-03-12 15:15:20 <Anduck> kinlo: ohh ok
1513 2014-03-12 15:15:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Anduck: hm, what will they do when it does confirm?
1514 2014-03-12 15:15:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Refund you?
1515 2014-03-12 15:16:03 benrcole has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1516 2014-03-12 15:16:22 <Anduck> michagogo|cloud: they will send me the equipment i ordered...
1517 2014-03-12 15:16:26 <Anduck> i can contact them via irc
1518 2014-03-12 15:16:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Anduck: you just said they cancelled the order, didn't you?
1519 2014-03-12 15:16:42 <Anduck> or they will refund me. either way
1520 2014-03-12 15:16:43 <Anduck> yea
1521 2014-03-12 15:16:51 ematiu has left ()
1522 2014-03-12 15:16:51 <Anduck> but they, i guess, can uncancel it later
1523 2014-03-12 15:16:58 <Anduck> after the tx confirms
1524 2014-03-12 15:17:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|...why cancel it, then?
1525 2014-03-12 15:17:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Anyway, this is probably the wrong place for this
1526 2014-03-12 15:18:03 <Anduck> michagogo|cloud: they automatiically canceled it because the tx wasn't through in 24h
1527 2014-03-12 15:18:07 <17SAATCLT> hmm
1528 2014-03-12 15:18:28 17SAATCLT is now known as HM2
1529 2014-03-12 15:18:30 benrcole has joined
1530 2014-03-12 15:18:32 daybyter has joined
1531 2014-03-12 15:19:58 c0rw1n has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1532 2014-03-12 15:23:17 [7] has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1533 2014-03-12 15:23:51 TheSeven has joined
1534 2014-03-12 15:25:21 kermit has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1535 2014-03-12 15:25:31 c0rw1n has joined
1536 2014-03-12 15:26:01 Application has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1537 2014-03-12 15:26:20 kermit has joined
1538 2014-03-12 15:27:15 <aynstein_> michagogo|cloud: probably automated cancelation
1539 2014-03-12 15:27:24 aynstein_ has quit (Quit: blablabla(blabla))
1540 2014-03-12 15:27:39 c0rw1n has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1541 2014-03-12 15:30:16 agricocb has joined
1542 2014-03-12 15:30:30 c0rw1n has joined
1543 2014-03-12 15:31:29 ielo has joined
1544 2014-03-12 15:31:37 Application has joined
1545 2014-03-12 15:34:36 agricocb has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1546 2014-03-12 15:37:43 mljsimone is now known as mljsimone|off
1547 2014-03-12 15:39:02 <Imbue> oh, duh. i didn't realise there were precompiled versions of the release candidates.
1548 2014-03-12 15:39:05 <Imbue> time to have a look.
1549 2014-03-12 15:41:09 eristisk has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1550 2014-03-12 15:41:31 jacob____ has joined
1551 2014-03-12 15:41:41 <jacob____> ;;ticker
1552 2014-03-12 15:41:42 <gribble> Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 643.89, Best ask: 643.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 642.92, 24 hour volume: 14977.69992458, 24 hour low: 617.83, 24 hour high: 656.95, 24 hour vwap: 637.248829856
1553 2014-03-12 15:42:43 Wild0wnes has joined
1554 2014-03-12 15:44:40 paveljanik has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
1555 2014-03-12 15:48:21 jordandotdev has joined
1556 2014-03-12 15:48:25 <Imbue> haha. debian stable strikes again!
1557 2014-03-12 15:48:31 <Imbue> :<
1558 2014-03-12 15:49:39 dreamspark has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1559 2014-03-12 15:49:56 dreamspark has joined
1560 2014-03-12 15:49:57 dreamspark has quit (Client Quit)
1561 2014-03-12 15:52:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Imbue: Hmm?
1562 2014-03-12 15:53:09 <Imbue> the precompiled version of 0.9.0rc2 links against a newer version of glibc that is not included in debian 7.4. i am looking into compiling it now
1563 2014-03-12 15:53:16 <Imbue> it is mentioned on the btctalk forum thread
1564 2014-03-12 15:53:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Do you have a link to that thread?
1565 2014-03-12 15:53:39 <Imbue> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=495683.0
1566 2014-03-12 15:53:50 <Imbue> see dserrano5 post 'Binaries don't work in debian 7.4 (glibc 2.13):'
1567 2014-03-12 15:54:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|o_O
1568 2014-03-12 15:55:52 <Imbue> apt-cache show libc6 | grep Version : 'Version: 2.13-38+deb7u1'
1569 2014-03-12 15:55:58 MaxSan has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1570 2014-03-12 15:56:06 <Imbue> the explanation in the thread is reasonable and makes sense, i will have a fiddle
1571 2014-03-12 15:57:52 <Imbue> re our earlier discussion, signature verification is so ridiculously slow on this system that it seems i will be best served by just upgrading ;P
1572 2014-03-12 15:58:08 thecluck has quit ()
1573 2014-03-12 15:58:51 jtimon has joined
1574 2014-03-12 15:59:01 ziggamon has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1575 2014-03-12 15:59:38 ziggamon has joined
1576 2014-03-12 16:02:38 nsh has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1577 2014-03-12 16:02:53 fpx has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
1578 2014-03-12 16:04:27 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1579 2014-03-12 16:05:50 Zarutian has quit (Quit: Zarutian)
1580 2014-03-12 16:06:33 daybyter has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
1581 2014-03-12 16:08:21 <wumpus> it's the price of switching to ubuntu 12.04 for linux builds
1582 2014-03-12 16:08:40 <Imbue> yeah, i saw that. it is ok. just trawling through dependencies atm
1583 2014-03-12 16:09:55 <wumpus> see also https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3803
1584 2014-03-12 16:10:24 viajero has left ()
1585 2014-03-12 16:10:57 ft_ has quit (Changing host)
1586 2014-03-12 16:10:57 ft_ has joined
1587 2014-03-12 16:11:42 <Imbue> can a client compiled with bdb5.1 import bdb4.8 wallets? (i assume the reverse is not possible)
1588 2014-03-12 16:11:56 <wumpus> yes, it can
1589 2014-03-12 16:12:00 <Imbue> okay, good
1590 2014-03-12 16:12:21 <wumpus> *if* the client was shut down cleanly, bdb 5.1 cannot do database recovery on 4.8 db
1591 2014-03-12 16:12:42 ft_ has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1592 2014-03-12 16:12:51 <Imbue> fine. i can always keep around an ubuntu live cd or similar for these cases
1593 2014-03-12 16:12:56 ft_ has joined
1594 2014-03-12 16:12:56 ft_ has quit (Changing host)
1595 2014-03-12 16:12:56 ft_ has joined
1596 2014-03-12 16:13:09 gavinandresen_ has quit (Quit: gavinandresen_)
1597 2014-03-12 16:13:26 <sipa> you can use db4.8_dump | db5.1_load to convert
1598 2014-03-12 16:13:31 <sipa> in both direction
1599 2014-03-12 16:13:44 <wumpus> but that shouldn't be needed from 4.8 to 5.1
1600 2014-03-12 16:13:49 <sipa> ugh
1601 2014-03-12 16:13:52 <sipa> i mean the other way around
1602 2014-03-12 16:13:55 <wumpus> hehe
1603 2014-03-12 16:14:07 <sipa> (just woke up, jetlagged, ...)
1604 2014-03-12 16:15:18 tjopper has joined
1605 2014-03-12 16:15:24 drayah has joined
1606 2014-03-12 16:15:38 thecluck has joined
1607 2014-03-12 16:15:51 tiago__ has joined
1608 2014-03-12 16:16:20 ft_ has quit (Client Quit)
1609 2014-03-12 16:16:26 vingt-2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1610 2014-03-12 16:16:39 jeewee has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1611 2014-03-12 16:19:05 <Imbue> never mind; found the file which shows that adding oldstable repository allows 4.8
1612 2014-03-12 16:20:19 Breign has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1613 2014-03-12 16:21:25 petcat1 has joined
1614 2014-03-12 16:21:29 anton000 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1615 2014-03-12 16:22:27 petcat has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1616 2014-03-12 16:23:14 ziggamon has joined
1617 2014-03-12 16:25:28 viperhr has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1618 2014-03-12 16:27:08 artifexd is now known as artifexd_afk
1619 2014-03-12 16:30:43 richcollins has joined
1620 2014-03-12 16:31:52 paveljanik has joined
1621 2014-03-12 16:32:32 ziggamon has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1622 2014-03-12 16:32:47 MaxSan has joined
1623 2014-03-12 16:33:00 debianto1user has joined
1624 2014-03-12 16:33:10 ziggamon has joined
1625 2014-03-12 16:33:14 debiantoruser has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1626 2014-03-12 16:34:50 Imbue has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1627 2014-03-12 16:34:55 ThomasV has joined
1628 2014-03-12 16:35:30 Imbue has joined
1629 2014-03-12 16:36:13 ziggamon has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1630 2014-03-12 16:36:24 paveljanik has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1631 2014-03-12 16:36:29 ziggamon has joined
1632 2014-03-12 16:36:48 HeySteve has joined
1633 2014-03-12 16:37:45 <sipa> SomeoneWeird: can you give 'venzen' edit access to the wiki? he's interested in bringing some documentation up to date
1634 2014-03-12 16:38:23 Chief_Panda has quit (Read error: Connection timed out)
1635 2014-03-12 16:39:19 <Imbue> whoo, ./configure complete :p
1636 2014-03-12 16:40:51 paveljanik has joined
1637 2014-03-12 16:42:53 TinkerTom has joined
1638 2014-03-12 16:43:35 anton000 has joined
1639 2014-03-12 16:46:37 eoss has joined
1640 2014-03-12 16:47:52 Zarutian has joined
1641 2014-03-12 16:48:32 anton000 has quit (Changing host)
1642 2014-03-12 16:48:32 anton000 has joined
1643 2014-03-12 16:49:25 YoY has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1644 2014-03-12 16:49:37 Subo1977 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1645 2014-03-12 16:51:13 jacob____ has left ()
1646 2014-03-12 16:52:23 YoY has joined
1647 2014-03-12 16:52:49 rehsctvdb has joined
1648 2014-03-12 16:54:26 rehsctvdb has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1649 2014-03-12 16:56:11 t7 has quit (Quit: zzz)
1650 2014-03-12 16:56:43 kihvnl has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1651 2014-03-12 16:56:49 Marijana has joined
1652 2014-03-12 16:56:51 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1653 2014-03-12 16:57:20 viajero has joined
1654 2014-03-12 16:57:27 testnode9 has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
1655 2014-03-12 16:58:40 Subo1977 has joined
1656 2014-03-12 17:00:54 christop1e has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1657 2014-03-12 17:02:28 w1zman has joined
1658 2014-03-12 17:02:34 w1zman has quit (Changing host)
1659 2014-03-12 17:02:34 w1zman has joined
1660 2014-03-12 17:02:47 gavinandresen_ has joined
1661 2014-03-12 17:02:57 t3st3r_ has joined
1662 2014-03-12 17:03:10 kihvnl has joined
1663 2014-03-12 17:03:53 t3st3r has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
1664 2014-03-12 17:06:37 t3st3r_ is now known as t3st3r
1665 2014-03-12 17:06:58 abossard has quit (Quit: abossard)
1666 2014-03-12 17:08:17 lmatteis has joined
1667 2014-03-12 17:08:17 mn3monic has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1668 2014-03-12 17:08:18 Pullphinger has joined
1669 2014-03-12 17:08:24 pbuchan has joined
1670 2014-03-12 17:08:27 christophe has joined
1671 2014-03-12 17:08:40 nsh has joined
1672 2014-03-12 17:08:50 c0rw1n has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1673 2014-03-12 17:12:07 lalopalo has joined
1674 2014-03-12 17:12:43 vegard has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1675 2014-03-12 17:13:41 cagedwisdom has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1676 2014-03-12 17:14:22 rdymac has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1677 2014-03-12 17:14:32 Coincidental has joined
1678 2014-03-12 17:14:42 vegard has joined
1679 2014-03-12 17:15:08 blitzcoin has joined
1680 2014-03-12 17:15:43 ThomasV has joined
1681 2014-03-12 17:16:04 tombtc has joined
1682 2014-03-12 17:17:07 lalopalo has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1683 2014-03-12 17:17:16 Blackreign has joined
1684 2014-03-12 17:17:23 TheBison has joined
1685 2014-03-12 17:17:25 sirk390 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1686 2014-03-12 17:18:18 spin123456 has joined
1687 2014-03-12 17:18:18 spinza has quit (Disconnected by services)
1688 2014-03-12 17:18:33 debianto1user has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1689 2014-03-12 17:18:36 buhbuh has quit (Quit: Page closed)
1690 2014-03-12 17:19:06 <Imbue> hm
1691 2014-03-12 17:19:07 debiantoruser has joined
1692 2014-03-12 17:19:14 <Imbue> it appears to be done now, but
1693 2014-03-12 17:19:40 <Imbue> my self-compiled version is massive. some sort of static linking? -qt in the precompiled binaries is 10mb, mine is 100+
1694 2014-03-12 17:20:22 TD has quit (Quit: TD)
1695 2014-03-12 17:20:31 eoss has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1696 2014-03-12 17:20:36 <Imbue> lots of very nice additions, by the way. especially the 'bitcoin core is closing' message.
1697 2014-03-12 17:21:14 <venzen> Imbue: you can 'strip' the binary
1698 2014-03-12 17:21:20 w1zman has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1699 2014-03-12 17:23:18 volante has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1700 2014-03-12 17:25:54 <Imbue> ah. i see. do you know of a reference i can use to learn about this? it seems somehow out of the scope of this channel
1701 2014-03-12 17:26:33 <Imbue> using strip -s I get down to ~8mb, but i'm not sure what the implications are
1702 2014-03-12 17:26:48 <sipa> it removes debugging information
1703 2014-03-12 17:26:59 <sipa> and the ability to link
1704 2014-03-12 17:27:00 bitwyre_ has joined
1705 2014-03-12 17:27:13 <sipa> but as it's already linked, that's not a problem
1706 2014-03-12 17:28:13 blitzcoin has quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
1707 2014-03-12 17:28:27 Application has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1708 2014-03-12 17:28:57 bitwyre has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1709 2014-03-12 17:29:41 ziggamon has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1710 2014-03-12 17:30:17 ziggamon has joined
1711 2014-03-12 17:30:59 <Imbue> thanks
1712 2014-03-12 17:31:56 songz has joined
1713 2014-03-12 17:32:39 <Imbue> the receive tab is really nifty
1714 2014-03-12 17:32:53 <Imbue> pushing against address reuse
1715 2014-03-12 17:32:56 <Imbue> :)
1716 2014-03-12 17:33:30 <venzen> Imbue: i usually compile bitcoind statically (LMODE & LMODE2 = static in makefile.unix) then '$ strip bitcoind' and have ~6MB binary which i pass to all my linux boxes, so only have to compile once - convenient
1717 2014-03-12 17:33:52 <venzen> Imbue: but compiling bitcoin-qt statically is another story :)
1718 2014-03-12 17:34:00 travj has joined
1719 2014-03-12 17:34:32 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1720 2014-03-12 17:35:14 <travj> Where is a good place to ask about potential bugs?
1721 2014-03-12 17:35:25 <travj> (in bitcoin-qt)
1722 2014-03-12 17:36:01 <sipa> try here
1723 2014-03-12 17:36:14 lalopalo has joined
1724 2014-03-12 17:36:16 <travj> i tried bitcoin-development mailing list, but seems like it got lost there
1725 2014-03-12 17:36:24 songz has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1726 2014-03-12 17:36:32 c0rw1n has joined
1727 2014-03-12 17:37:51 benrcole has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1728 2014-03-12 17:38:42 <travj> so two issues I guess. first, in ReorderTransactions, is the ListAccountCreditDebit() call supposed to be "" or "*"?
1729 2014-03-12 17:39:02 <travj> i think "*", but it is currently ""
1730 2014-03-12 17:39:07 rdymac has joined
1731 2014-03-12 17:43:05 spinza has joined
1732 2014-03-12 17:43:24 ThomasV_ has joined
1733 2014-03-12 17:43:48 <sipa> travj: you may be right
1734 2014-03-12 17:43:51 <sipa> travj: talk to Luke-Jr
1735 2014-03-12 17:44:56 spin123456 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1736 2014-03-12 17:46:08 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1737 2014-03-12 17:47:49 BTC_Bear has joined
1738 2014-03-12 17:48:04 ppvkignx has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1739 2014-03-12 17:52:58 <embicoin> excuse me, could I have an advice about an easy testnet to try solomining?
1740 2014-03-12 17:54:19 bitwyre_ has quit ()
1741 2014-03-12 17:54:20 <lnovy> Well I seem to be the only one from the people I know personally to be in green on mtgox...
1742 2014-03-12 17:54:37 <embicoin> bitcoin testnet is 1 atm so high for a single gpu :(
1743 2014-03-12 17:54:53 ThomasV_ has quit (Quit: Quitte)
1744 2014-03-12 17:55:04 agricocb has joined
1745 2014-03-12 17:55:04 lalopalo has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1746 2014-03-12 17:55:24 c0rw1n has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1747 2014-03-12 17:55:33 markus__ has joined
1748 2014-03-12 17:56:05 xabbix has joined
1749 2014-03-12 17:56:05 xabbix has quit (Changing host)
1750 2014-03-12 17:56:05 xabbix has joined
1751 2014-03-12 17:56:18 Davincij has quit ()
1752 2014-03-12 17:56:25 <travj> sipa: okay thanks
1753 2014-03-12 17:56:52 <travj> any idea why my bug post got lost on the bitcoin-development mailing list?
1754 2014-03-12 17:56:57 brson has joined
1755 2014-03-12 17:57:21 <travj> i assume it's moderated, maybe someone just hasn't got to it yet?
1756 2014-03-12 17:58:33 kawagrover has joined
1757 2014-03-12 17:58:36 _ImI_ has joined
1758 2014-03-12 17:59:25 agricocb has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1759 2014-03-12 17:59:50 songz has joined
1760 2014-03-12 18:00:30 freggles has joined
1761 2014-03-12 18:00:41 <sipa> travj: you need to be registered
1762 2014-03-12 18:01:03 kawagrover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1763 2014-03-12 18:01:18 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1764 2014-03-12 18:01:19 kawagrover has joined
1765 2014-03-12 18:01:26 <travj> ah, okay. What's the process for that? I'd like to contribute.
1766 2014-03-12 18:02:03 <sipa> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development
1767 2014-03-12 18:02:40 lalopalo has joined
1768 2014-03-12 18:03:13 SwampTony has joined
1769 2014-03-12 18:03:50 <travj> yea i did that part
1770 2014-03-12 18:04:16 <travj> maybe the reply got junk'd
1771 2014-03-12 18:04:27 <sipa> maybe it's just slow
1772 2014-03-12 18:04:50 SwampTony has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1773 2014-03-12 18:04:51 <travj> it's been 3-4 days
1774 2014-03-12 18:04:57 <sipa> oh
1775 2014-03-12 18:05:02 <sipa> what was it about?
1776 2014-03-12 18:05:12 <travj> my bugs?
1777 2014-03-12 18:05:18 SwampTony has joined
1778 2014-03-12 18:05:21 <sipa> what was the subject?
1779 2014-03-12 18:05:32 Coincidental has joined
1780 2014-03-12 18:05:34 <travj> zapwalletdb was in the title
1781 2014-03-12 18:06:02 sserrano44 has joined
1782 2014-03-12 18:07:06 c0rw1n has joined
1783 2014-03-12 18:08:08 ziggamon has joined
1784 2014-03-12 18:08:08 <travj> zapwallettxes, sorry
1785 2014-03-12 18:08:31 <travj> "zapwallettxes problem and wallet DB ordering"
1786 2014-03-12 18:08:48 Soligor has joined
1787 2014-03-12 18:09:30 c0rw1n has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1788 2014-03-12 18:09:55 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1789 2014-03-12 18:12:24 MagicalMole has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1790 2014-03-12 18:12:45 MagicalMole has joined
1791 2014-03-12 18:13:10 agricocb has joined
1792 2014-03-12 18:13:15 ziggamon has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1793 2014-03-12 18:13:49 ziggamon has joined
1794 2014-03-12 18:15:12 aegis has quit (Excess Flood)
1795 2014-03-12 18:15:16 sserrano44 has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
1796 2014-03-12 18:15:18 MagicalMole is now known as krtek`ph
1797 2014-03-12 18:15:51 aegis has joined
1798 2014-03-12 18:16:12 shaileshg has joined
1799 2014-03-12 18:18:15 ziggamon has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1800 2014-03-12 18:20:29 uiop has joined
1801 2014-03-12 18:21:43 hmsimha has joined
1802 2014-03-12 18:23:42 bbrian has joined
1803 2014-03-12 18:25:46 neuroMood has joined
1804 2014-03-12 18:26:06 neuroMode has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1805 2014-03-12 18:27:10 ziggamon has joined
1806 2014-03-12 18:27:39 Gyps has joined
1807 2014-03-12 18:28:25 uiop has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1808 2014-03-12 18:28:41 ppvkignx has joined
1809 2014-03-12 18:30:12 uiop has joined
1810 2014-03-12 18:31:09 rdymac has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1811 2014-03-12 18:32:39 nsh has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1812 2014-03-12 18:34:39 Burrito has joined
1813 2014-03-12 18:34:39 Burrito has quit (Changing host)
1814 2014-03-12 18:34:39 Burrito has joined
1815 2014-03-12 18:34:41 Burrito has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1816 2014-03-12 18:35:00 Burrito has joined
1817 2014-03-12 18:35:00 Burrito has quit (Changing host)
1818 2014-03-12 18:35:00 Burrito has joined
1819 2014-03-12 18:35:13 sserrano44 has joined
1820 2014-03-12 18:35:37 rdymac has joined
1821 2014-03-12 18:35:55 qwdf has joined
1822 2014-03-12 18:38:30 c0rw1n has joined
1823 2014-03-12 18:39:52 davout has joined
1824 2014-03-12 18:40:02 Klumben has joined
1825 2014-03-12 18:42:30 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
1826 2014-03-12 18:42:50 spinza has quit (Disconnected by services)
1827 2014-03-12 18:42:50 spin123456 has joined
1828 2014-03-12 18:48:19 sirk390 has joined
1829 2014-03-12 18:48:34 sserrano44 has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
1830 2014-03-12 18:48:51 qwdf has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1831 2014-03-12 18:49:33 phantomspark has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1832 2014-03-12 18:50:39 char has joined
1833 2014-03-12 18:51:17 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: ping
1834 2014-03-12 18:51:31 zenojis has joined
1835 2014-03-12 18:51:56 drayah has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1836 2014-03-12 18:52:05 non2 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1837 2014-03-12 18:52:40 drayah has joined
1838 2014-03-12 18:54:31 denisx has joined
1839 2014-03-12 18:55:11 spinza has joined
1840 2014-03-12 18:55:28 buhbuh has joined
1841 2014-03-12 18:56:03 spin123456 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1842 2014-03-12 19:01:32 char has quit (Quit: Page closed)
1843 2014-03-12 19:02:02 jgarzik_ has quit (Quit: apple apple apple)
1844 2014-03-12 19:03:55 Ogig has joined
1845 2014-03-12 19:04:11 non2 has joined
1846 2014-03-12 19:04:53 Jasmin68k has joined
1847 2014-03-12 19:04:55 <gavinandresen_> BlueMatt: I owe you money….
1848 2014-03-12 19:04:55 yubrew has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1849 2014-03-12 19:05:02 <BlueMatt> indeed
1850 2014-03-12 19:05:16 mn3monic has joined
1851 2014-03-12 19:05:57 nova90 has joined
1852 2014-03-12 19:06:03 <phantomcircuit> i feel like there is something interesting here
1853 2014-03-12 19:06:11 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, stop loan sharking
1854 2014-03-12 19:07:22 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: never borrow money from me, it doesnt end well
1855 2014-03-12 19:07:22 Application has joined
1856 2014-03-12 19:08:06 AriseChikun has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1857 2014-03-12 19:08:21 AriseChikun has joined
1858 2014-03-12 19:08:24 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, hehe
1859 2014-03-12 19:08:43 <murr4y> is the height of the genesis block 0 or 1?
1860 2014-03-12 19:09:45 Adrao has joined
1861 2014-03-12 19:09:50 mn3monic has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1862 2014-03-12 19:10:14 markus__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1863 2014-03-12 19:10:23 <sipa> 0
1864 2014-03-12 19:11:51 go1111111 has joined
1865 2014-03-12 19:12:12 <murr4y> good! thanks
1866 2014-03-12 19:12:15 Application has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1867 2014-03-12 19:12:30 <Imbue> what's with clients reporting version 0.9.99? does it represent the rc or a client compiled from master or something?
1868 2014-03-12 19:13:29 <sipa> 0.9.99 doesn't exist (as a reference client implementation)
1869 2014-03-12 19:13:36 <sipa> latest version reports as 0.8.99 irrc
1870 2014-03-12 19:15:58 <Imbue> oh hang on, it's your seed node. :P
1871 2014-03-12 19:17:23 Application has joined
1872 2014-03-12 19:18:27 <sipa> heh
1873 2014-03-12 19:18:41 rastapopuloto has joined
1874 2014-03-12 19:21:18 basva has joined
1875 2014-03-12 19:21:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: I still don't understand exactly, why is #3775 tagged 0.10.0? Why couldn't it go into 0.9.0rc3 and then 0.9.0?
1876 2014-03-12 19:22:42 tinaivanova has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1877 2014-03-12 19:23:09 Marijana has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1878 2014-03-12 19:23:21 Marijana has joined
1879 2014-03-12 19:23:32 <gavinandresen_> michagogo|cloud: because many of us have gitian build scripts that we'll have to edit, which is a pain in the ass to fix a non-problem.
1880 2014-03-12 19:23:33 <travj> sipa, I hate to keep bugging you, but I re-submitted my application to bitcoin-development. Do I just keep waiting?
1881 2014-03-12 19:24:08 <travj> nm, found it
1882 2014-03-12 19:25:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen_: That would seem to be an argument for not changing it at all.
1883 2014-03-12 19:25:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If we do it, why not do it for 0.9?
1884 2014-03-12 19:25:12 <gavinandresen_> michagogo|cloud: yup
1885 2014-03-12 19:25:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Also, the same could be said for renaming gitian.yml to gitian-linux.yml
1886 2014-03-12 19:26:00 <gavinandresen_> yup, I don't think that should have been changed, either
1887 2014-03-12 19:26:39 roidster has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1888 2014-03-12 19:28:20 Anone has joined
1889 2014-03-12 19:28:35 Anone is now known as Nein
1890 2014-03-12 19:28:41 topace has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1891 2014-03-12 19:28:41 Nein is now known as dafhworfjsklghow
1892 2014-03-12 19:28:52 CodeShark has joined
1893 2014-03-12 19:29:40 <dafhworfjsklghow> Can anyone tell me if a wallet crash without any error during compilation can be due to comparison of int values or what are the most common cases of a crash?
1894 2014-03-12 19:30:18 <kjj> you are running a wallet on the same box where you are compiling a new wallet, and the old wallet crashed during the compile?
1895 2014-03-12 19:30:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dafhworfjsklghow: What is your system, what version are you building, what stage is failing?
1896 2014-03-12 19:30:30 spinza has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1897 2014-03-12 19:30:57 mikeche1en has quit (Quit: leaving)
1898 2014-03-12 19:31:52 <gavinandresen_> wumpus sipa jgarzik gmaxwell : I've run out of things to do for 0.9.0rc3, I'm thinking of tagging head of the current 0.9.0 branch and then start building everything.
1899 2014-03-12 19:31:55 Marijana has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1900 2014-03-12 19:32:20 Marijana has joined
1901 2014-03-12 19:32:37 <dafhworfjsklghow> michagogo|cloud im building on a Windows 7 64Bit without the "-msse2" flags, im building on QT version 4, everything should be ok since i've already compiled many times from here, but after a big change i made it crash's right after recieved block.
1902 2014-03-12 19:33:02 Marijana has quit (Client Quit)
1903 2014-03-12 19:33:13 yubrew has joined
1904 2014-03-12 19:33:39 spinza has joined
1905 2014-03-12 19:34:27 sirk390 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1906 2014-03-12 19:34:36 <dafhworfjsklghow> i guess i will have to reverse this and see wheres the problem at, but can lack of reference to (int) values be the source of this issue?
1907 2014-03-12 19:35:09 <dafhworfjsklghow> what are the issues of the most common crashs?
1908 2014-03-12 19:35:18 aschildbach has joined
1909 2014-03-12 19:35:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen_: How about #3806?
1910 2014-03-12 19:35:34 rastapopuloto_1 has joined
1911 2014-03-12 19:36:18 chmod755 has joined
1912 2014-03-12 19:37:00 owowo has joined
1913 2014-03-12 19:37:21 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1914 2014-03-12 19:38:02 sirk390 has joined
1915 2014-03-12 19:38:39 rastapopuloto has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1916 2014-03-12 19:38:48 <gavinandresen_> michagogo|cloud: that is not a show-stopper bug, not going to pull for 0.9.0rc3
1917 2014-03-12 19:40:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|IMO, the change that was made was a bad one -- we may get people trying to run GUI and Daemon at the same time, and not understanding why it's not working
1918 2014-03-12 19:40:17 mn3monic has joined
1919 2014-03-12 19:40:26 jayne has joined
1920 2014-03-12 19:40:39 nkuttler has quit (Quit: darkfrog)
1921 2014-03-12 19:41:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Actually, it's even worse -- the GUI also shows that same message, if I'm not mistaken
1922 2014-03-12 19:41:50 basva has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
1923 2014-03-12 19:42:08 topace has joined
1924 2014-03-12 19:42:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|So someone accidentally trying to run a second instance of the GUI will be told the Daemon is probably running...
1925 2014-03-12 19:43:04 spin123456 has joined
1926 2014-03-12 19:43:04 spinza has quit (Disconnected by services)
1927 2014-03-12 19:43:19 basva has joined
1928 2014-03-12 19:43:52 nsh has joined
1929 2014-03-12 19:44:34 phedny has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1930 2014-03-12 19:46:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen_: It's potentially confusing the way it is, and it's just a string change :-/
1931 2014-03-12 19:46:04 <wumpus> gavinandresen_: ack
1932 2014-03-12 19:47:03 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: people running two instances of bitcoin won't generally get that error; it will fail on the datadir lock already
1933 2014-03-12 19:47:26 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: also it's a translated message, changing it just before a release is a bad idea
1934 2014-03-12 19:47:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: Ah, okay, that's a good point
1935 2014-03-12 19:48:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Heh, the datadir message just says Bitcoin
1936 2014-03-12 19:48:40 <wumpus> let's just leave it alone, I'm sick of message changes :p
1937 2014-03-12 19:48:51 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dislikes inconsistency
1938 2014-03-12 19:49:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Would adding Core to the datadir message be appropriate to add to #3806, or should it be its own PR?
1939 2014-03-12 19:50:16 di_sc has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
1940 2014-03-12 19:50:28 Pullphinger has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1941 2014-03-12 19:50:39 phedny has joined
1942 2014-03-12 19:51:14 basva has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
1943 2014-03-12 19:51:49 basva has joined
1944 2014-03-12 19:52:52 antephialtic has joined
1945 2014-03-12 19:53:44 maxplm has quit (Quit: maxplm)
1946 2014-03-12 19:53:45 spin123456 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
1947 2014-03-12 19:56:47 travj has quit (Quit: Leaving)
1948 2014-03-12 19:57:33 Guest79631 has quit (Changing host)
1949 2014-03-12 19:57:33 Guest79631 has joined
1950 2014-03-12 19:58:02 Guest79631 is now known as benten-
1951 2014-03-12 19:58:10 _ImI_ has joined
1952 2014-03-12 19:58:18 gavinandresen_ has quit (Quit: gavinandresen_)
1953 2014-03-12 19:58:46 phrackage has quit (Quit: phrackage)
1954 2014-03-12 19:58:53 ralphtheninja has joined
1955 2014-03-12 19:59:34 Eagle[TM] has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1956 2014-03-12 20:00:07 cypher has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1957 2014-03-12 20:00:44 spinza has joined
1958 2014-03-12 20:00:58 <wumpus> just add it to the old pull
1959 2014-03-12 20:01:04 richcollins has quit (Quit: richcollins)
1960 2014-03-12 20:01:05 pierreatwork has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1961 2014-03-12 20:02:24 dafhworfjsklghow has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
1962 2014-03-12 20:02:34 daybyter has joined
1963 2014-03-12 20:03:19 <jgarzik> gavinandresen, ack
1964 2014-03-12 20:03:28 <jgarzik> gavinandresen, relnote the miner fee changes
1965 2014-03-12 20:03:47 cypher has joined
1966 2014-03-12 20:04:35 [\\\] has joined
1967 2014-03-12 20:05:20 spinza has quit (Disconnected by services)
1968 2014-03-12 20:05:20 spin123456 has joined
1969 2014-03-12 20:05:31 adam3us has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
1970 2014-03-12 20:05:39 kawagrover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1971 2014-03-12 20:05:50 SwampTony has joined
1972 2014-03-12 20:06:35 artifexd_afk is now known as artifexd
1973 2014-03-12 20:06:52 t7 has joined
1974 2014-03-12 20:07:32 meLon has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
1975 2014-03-12 20:07:58 wbaw has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
1976 2014-03-12 20:09:03 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1977 2014-03-12 20:09:06 HeySteve has quit ()
1978 2014-03-12 20:10:27 SwampTony has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1979 2014-03-12 20:12:49 smash has joined
1980 2014-03-12 20:12:51 jtimon has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1981 2014-03-12 20:12:56 c0rw1n has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
1982 2014-03-12 20:13:34 aschildbach has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
1983 2014-03-12 20:13:39 spinza has joined
1984 2014-03-12 20:14:13 <chmod755> if i add 3 nodes via addnode= will it first try to connect the first node in the config or the last node or is it random?
1985 2014-03-12 20:14:39 spin123456 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
1986 2014-03-12 20:15:08 Imbue has quit (Quit: problem)
1987 2014-03-12 20:16:39 gavinandresen_ has joined
1988 2014-03-12 20:17:22 <chmod755> 2 gavins?
1989 2014-03-12 20:17:35 <Diablo-D3> dude
1990 2014-03-12 20:17:36 gavinandresen_ has quit (Client Quit)
1991 2014-03-12 20:17:40 <Diablo-D3> damnit
1992 2014-03-12 20:17:43 <Diablo-D3> we need two gavins
1993 2014-03-12 20:17:44 <Diablo-D3> hell
1994 2014-03-12 20:17:48 <Diablo-D3> we need a whole army of them
1995 2014-03-12 20:17:53 <chmod755> Diablo-D3, indeed
1996 2014-03-12 20:18:05 saulimus has joined
1997 2014-03-12 20:18:13 * Diablo-D3 shoves gavin into the xerox machine, presses the button
1998 2014-03-12 20:18:14 <wumpus> I've added the miner fee change thing in the 0.9 release notes already
1999 2014-03-12 20:19:17 spinza has quit (Disconnected by services)
2000 2014-03-12 20:19:17 spin123456 has joined
2001 2014-03-12 20:19:22 coeus has joined
2002 2014-03-12 20:19:39 rastapopuloto_1 has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2003 2014-03-12 20:19:56 gavinandresen_ has joined
2004 2014-03-12 20:20:08 ThomasV has joined
2005 2014-03-12 20:20:22 BTC_Bear is now known as BTC_Bear|hbrntng
2006 2014-03-12 20:21:00 <chmod755> just answered my own question...
2007 2014-03-12 20:21:13 dowah has joined
2008 2014-03-12 20:21:45 Gyps has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2009 2014-03-12 20:22:40 Gyps has joined
2010 2014-03-12 20:23:07 phrackage has joined
2011 2014-03-12 20:23:24 spinza has joined
2012 2014-03-12 20:23:31 BTC_Bear is now known as hbrntng!~BTC_Bear@unaffiliated/btc-bear/x-5233302|BTC_Bear
2013 2014-03-12 20:23:43 spin123456 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2014 2014-03-12 20:23:52 gavinandresen_ has quit (Client Quit)
2015 2014-03-12 20:25:07 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
2016 2014-03-12 20:25:19 Akima has joined
2017 2014-03-12 20:27:23 yubrew has joined
2018 2014-03-12 20:27:48 wbaw has joined
2019 2014-03-12 20:28:27 spinza has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2020 2014-03-12 20:30:29 basva has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
2021 2014-03-12 20:31:25 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2022 2014-03-12 20:31:32 pierreatwork has joined
2023 2014-03-12 20:31:40 Applicat_ has joined
2024 2014-03-12 20:31:43 basva has joined
2025 2014-03-12 20:33:17 Pullphinger has joined
2026 2014-03-12 20:33:40 _ImI_ has joined
2027 2014-03-12 20:34:34 Application has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2028 2014-03-12 20:35:25 go1111111 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2029 2014-03-12 20:35:55 krtek`ph has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2030 2014-03-12 20:36:20 MolokoDeck has joined
2031 2014-03-12 20:37:01 Applicat_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2032 2014-03-12 20:39:28 wbaw has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2033 2014-03-12 20:40:04 dowah has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424])
2034 2014-03-12 20:40:09 [\\\] has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2035 2014-03-12 20:42:16 lalopalo has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2036 2014-03-12 20:43:27 drayah has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2037 2014-03-12 20:44:11 Application has joined
2038 2014-03-12 20:45:37 spinza has joined
2039 2014-03-12 20:46:05 ZPK has joined
2040 2014-03-12 20:46:51 c0rw1n has joined
2041 2014-03-12 20:48:36 ZPK has quit (Client Quit)
2042 2014-03-12 20:49:56 drayah has joined
2043 2014-03-12 20:51:00 melik has joined
2044 2014-03-12 20:51:07 basva has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
2045 2014-03-12 20:51:10 petcat1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2046 2014-03-12 20:51:37 Coincidental has joined
2047 2014-03-12 20:52:08 wbaw has joined
2048 2014-03-12 20:52:40 <melik> how can we list unconfirmed transactions in the network; are there any API calls for this functionality?
2049 2014-03-12 20:53:49 <gavinandresen> Tagged:  * [new tag]         v0.9.0rc3 -> v0.9.0rc3
2050 2014-03-12 20:53:59 <jgarzik> melik, getmempool
2051 2014-03-12 20:54:28 <jgarzik> wumpus, tnx
2052 2014-03-12 20:55:08 <gavinandresen> jgarzik: I rewrote the release notes section on transaction fees, see e4583071efb8247838f45b18f5074cc40397ea15
2053 2014-03-12 20:58:43 pierreatwork has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2054 2014-03-12 21:00:43 antephialtic has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2055 2014-03-12 21:00:49 petcat has joined
2056 2014-03-12 21:02:32 paveljanik has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
2057 2014-03-12 21:02:57 Gyps has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2058 2014-03-12 21:04:48 sbrossie has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2059 2014-03-12 21:07:57 <melik> jgarzik, it appears that i do not have this command
2060 2014-03-12 21:08:22 <dhill> getrawmempool
2061 2014-03-12 21:09:06 <melik> ah i was just going to mention that i have 'getrawmempool'
2062 2014-03-12 21:09:16 <melik> cool cool, as soon as i'm re-synced up; i'll test it out
2063 2014-03-12 21:09:25 <melik> merci merci!
2064 2014-03-12 21:10:22 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2065 2014-03-12 21:15:18 beachandbytes has joined
2066 2014-03-12 21:17:53 Tyklol has joined
2067 2014-03-12 21:18:19 raid5 has joined
2068 2014-03-12 21:18:56 toffoo has joined
2069 2014-03-12 21:19:17 c0rw1n has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2070 2014-03-12 21:19:40 Tykling has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2071 2014-03-12 21:20:07 tjopper has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2072 2014-03-12 21:20:55 Xarikins has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2073 2014-03-12 21:21:33 yubrew has joined
2074 2014-03-12 21:25:44 Coincidental has joined
2075 2014-03-12 21:25:45 yubrew has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2076 2014-03-12 21:25:58 sbrossie has joined
2077 2014-03-12 21:27:28 mn3monic has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2078 2014-03-12 21:27:43 happyface__ is now known as happyface
2079 2014-03-12 21:27:52 hmmma has joined
2080 2014-03-12 21:29:06 TD has joined
2081 2014-03-12 21:29:59 <tommygunner> gavinandresen: has the OSX 0.9rc3 been delayed?
2082 2014-03-12 21:30:34 <gavinandresen> tommygunner: no….  why?  I'll start building it when I'm done gitian-building the linux and windows releases.
2083 2014-03-12 21:30:46 ikbenwouter has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2084 2014-03-12 21:31:47 jakov has joined
2085 2014-03-12 21:32:31 <jgarzik> melik, "mempool" P2P command or "getrawmempool" RPC command, to be specific
2086 2014-03-12 21:33:32 cagedwisdom has joined
2087 2014-03-12 21:34:33 <tommygunner> alright, i wasnt sure whether it was supposed to come out yesterday or today
2088 2014-03-12 21:36:05 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|tommygunner: It was only just tagged
2089 2014-03-12 21:36:09 shaileshg has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
2090 2014-03-12 21:36:13 Coincidental has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2091 2014-03-12 21:36:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hm, am I missing something, or did #3792 get pulled into 0.9.0rc3 but not master?
2092 2014-03-12 21:37:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh, nvm
2093 2014-03-12 21:37:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(you may want to close that one...)
2094 2014-03-12 21:38:00 [\\\] has joined
2095 2014-03-12 21:38:55 ThomasV has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2096 2014-03-12 21:40:54 Raziel has joined
2097 2014-03-12 21:43:22 lalopalo has joined
2098 2014-03-12 21:43:34 adam3us has joined
2099 2014-03-12 21:45:09 buhbuh has quit (Quit: Page closed)
2100 2014-03-12 21:45:59 banghouse has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2101 2014-03-12 21:46:25 chmod755 has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2102 2014-03-12 21:47:19 Pullphinger has quit ()
2103 2014-03-12 21:47:48 mrkent has joined
2104 2014-03-12 21:47:51 jtimon has joined
2105 2014-03-12 21:48:03 Akima has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3)
2106 2014-03-12 21:48:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hmm. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/v0.9.0rc2...v0.9.0rc3 appears to indicate that https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/d307681b181cbb05fce85a9331dc97c8c421cd53 was pulled in between rc2 and rc3
2107 2014-03-12 21:48:48 Chief_Panda has joined
2108 2014-03-12 21:49:49 kennv has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2109 2014-03-12 21:50:18 kennv has joined
2110 2014-03-12 21:50:18 kennv has quit (Changing host)
2111 2014-03-12 21:50:18 kennv has joined
2112 2014-03-12 21:50:56 OneMiner has joined
2113 2014-03-12 21:52:35 OneMiner1 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2114 2014-03-12 21:52:39 ThomasZ has joined
2115 2014-03-12 21:53:19 <ThomasZ> Hi, which version of boost do you guys use?  I can't seem to compile 0.9rc3 due to a boost/atomic/atomic.hpp:202:16: error: ‘uintptr_t’ was not declared in this scope
2116 2014-03-12 21:54:12 <Luke-Jr> ThomasZ: sounds like a boost bug, report to them
2117 2014-03-12 21:54:27 <ThomasZ> which version do you use? Assuming you don't have the issue
2118 2014-03-12 21:54:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|ThomasZ: gitian uses 1.55
2119 2014-03-12 21:54:55 <ThomasZ> ah, 1.54 here
2120 2014-03-12 21:54:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|1.55.0, with a patch
2121 2014-03-12 21:57:26 <ThomasZ> any way to make the automake system print the full command line to gcc?  This error makes no sense to me.   The gcc section shouldn't touch that line I pasted.
2122 2014-03-12 21:58:33 MaxSan has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2123 2014-03-12 21:59:09 <iwilcox> Does bitcoind use the mempool P2P command or just support replying to it?
2124 2014-03-12 21:59:23 <sipa> just supports it
2125 2014-03-12 21:59:25 ralphtheninja has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2126 2014-03-12 22:04:02 sbrossie has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
2127 2014-03-12 22:04:34 <Fistful_of_Coins> can you distinguish colored coins at the transaction/script level?
2128 2014-03-12 22:05:01 <Fistful_of_Coins> from all other non colored transactions
2129 2014-03-12 22:05:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|no
2130 2014-03-12 22:05:24 <Fistful_of_Coins> how is it done, at what level, in something like chromawallet?
2131 2014-03-12 22:05:28 sbrossie has joined
2132 2014-03-12 22:05:35 <Ademan> yes, it's handled by other software
2133 2014-03-12 22:05:55 lalopalo has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2134 2014-03-12 22:06:00 <Ademan> it has specific rules to trace coloring back to an original coin
2135 2014-03-12 22:06:38 <Ademan> the rules used to be simply index in a transaction
2136 2014-03-12 22:07:04 SwampTony has joined
2137 2014-03-12 22:07:04 SwampTony has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2138 2014-03-12 22:07:15 <Ademan> so if input 1 worth 2.0 was colored, then output 1 worth 1.0 and output 2 worth 1.0 would be considered colored
2139 2014-03-12 22:07:35 <sipa> Fistful_of_Coins: ask the chromawallet people :)
2140 2014-03-12 22:07:40 <Fistful_of_Coins> is it possible to color lets say.. the supposed "mt. gox" wallet to eventually see every tx from that wallet?
2141 2014-03-12 22:07:40 <Ademan> They were talking about an alternative method though, which I didn't really grok, nor do I know if they implemented it
2142 2014-03-12 22:07:45 kennv has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2143 2014-03-12 22:08:19 kennv has joined
2144 2014-03-12 22:08:30 <Fistful_of_Coins> sipa: they have an irc channel?
2145 2014-03-12 22:08:39 <Ademan> Fistful_of_Coins: sort of/not really: #bitcoinx
2146 2014-03-12 22:08:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo| /msg alis list *chromawallet*
2147 2014-03-12 22:08:49 <Fistful_of_Coins> thanks
2148 2014-03-12 22:08:57 <Ademan> killerstormx is the guy pushing things forward
2149 2014-03-12 22:09:54 <Fistful_of_Coins> cool
2150 2014-03-12 22:10:55 qwebirc52534 has quit (Quit: Page closed)
2151 2014-03-12 22:12:30 <ThomasZ> where do I file bugreports?
2152 2014-03-12 22:12:35 johnsoft has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2153 2014-03-12 22:12:59 <sipa> github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.issues
2154 2014-03-12 22:13:03 <sipa> github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues
2155 2014-03-12 22:13:09 <ThomasZ> thanks
2156 2014-03-12 22:13:50 johnsoft has joined
2157 2014-03-12 22:13:54 <melik> jgarzik, yes sir; makes sense
2158 2014-03-12 22:14:03 <melik> still need 15K more blocks before i test :)
2159 2014-03-12 22:14:36 pbuchan has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
2160 2014-03-12 22:14:42 ft_ has joined
2161 2014-03-12 22:14:58 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
2162 2014-03-12 22:15:13 MaxSan has joined
2163 2014-03-12 22:15:43 nsh has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2164 2014-03-12 22:15:50 mjb504_ has joined
2165 2014-03-12 22:16:49 banghouse has joined
2166 2014-03-12 22:17:10 liquid3Xb has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2167 2014-03-12 22:17:53 mjb504 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2168 2014-03-12 22:18:30 mljsimone is now known as off!~hashdogs@hashdogs.org|mljsimone
2169 2014-03-12 22:19:14 gasteve has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
2170 2014-03-12 22:20:04 lalopalo has joined
2171 2014-03-12 22:20:33 Liquid has joined
2172 2014-03-12 22:20:57 Liquid is now known as Guest82133
2173 2014-03-12 22:21:06 tombtc has quit (Quit: Wychodzi)
2174 2014-03-12 22:21:39 nsh has joined
2175 2014-03-12 22:21:52 nsh has quit (Changing host)
2176 2014-03-12 22:21:52 nsh has joined
2177 2014-03-12 22:22:35 W0rmDr1nk has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2178 2014-03-12 22:24:49 random_cat has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2179 2014-03-12 22:28:24 hanti is now known as HANTI
2180 2014-03-12 22:28:32 sserrano44 has joined
2181 2014-03-12 22:28:59 HANTI is now known as hanti
2182 2014-03-12 22:31:35 sserrano44 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2183 2014-03-12 22:31:55 ikbenwouter has joined
2184 2014-03-12 22:33:19 ft_ has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2185 2014-03-12 22:34:26 <sipa> wumpus: lol, just spent several minutes here trying to figure out who was running these mystical 0.9.99 nodes
2186 2014-03-12 22:34:31 <sipa> wumpus: turns out it's in master...
2187 2014-03-12 22:34:44 <davout> sipa: does addrindex help in any way with regards to fetching the balance of an individual addy?
2188 2014-03-12 22:34:54 <sipa> davout: that's exactly what it does
2189 2014-03-12 22:35:03 <davout> tried getreceivedbyaddress
2190 2014-03-12 22:35:14 <sipa> that's a wallet RPC
2191 2014-03-12 22:35:19 hmmma has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2192 2014-03-12 22:35:24 <sipa> you need searchrawtransaction or something
2193 2014-03-12 22:35:31 <sipa> the rpc call that addrindex adds
2194 2014-03-12 22:35:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hmm, I think we might have lost determinism for boost...
2195 2014-03-12 22:36:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(did we have that?)
2196 2014-03-12 22:36:34 <davout> sipa can't find no such rpc call
2197 2014-03-12 22:36:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Either that, or gavinandresen built with a boost built before we got it deterministic
2198 2014-03-12 22:36:53 Guyver2 has quit (Quit: :))
2199 2014-03-12 22:36:58 <sipa> davout: well, i'm very intentionally not maintaining that patch; not my problem :)
2200 2014-03-12 22:37:29 <davout> sipa: hah, i thought that was going to be maintained officially or sthg
2201 2014-03-12 22:37:56 _ImI_ has joined
2202 2014-03-12 22:38:01 <davout> so there's currently no reliable (and long-term safe) way to find an address balance with bitcoind, right?
2203 2014-03-12 22:38:08 <sipa> no
2204 2014-03-12 22:38:12 <Luke-Jr> davout: addresses do not have balances
2205 2014-03-12 22:38:16 <sipa> (and imho, there should not be)
2206 2014-03-12 22:38:19 <ThomasZ> michagogo|cloud: the comments in the docs page gave me the impression it wasn't deterministic before.
2207 2014-03-12 22:38:23 <davout> Luke-Jr: yo i know, don't be like that :D
2208 2014-03-12 22:38:36 <Luke-Jr> davout: no u; don't try to do stupid worthless things -.-
2209 2014-03-12 22:38:40 <sipa> please, Luke-Jr
2210 2014-03-12 22:38:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|ThomasZ: No, I think wumpus did manage to get it deterministic
2211 2014-03-12 22:38:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(talking about Linux atm)
2212 2014-03-12 22:38:55 <davout> Luke-Jr: lolwut
2213 2014-03-12 22:39:03 <davout> sipa: thanks for your time!
2214 2014-03-12 22:39:15 <ThomasZ> michagogo|cloud: yeah. Me too. I just posted a merge request, I guessed you responded to that :)
2215 2014-03-12 22:39:30 mappum has joined
2216 2014-03-12 22:39:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The boost I just built matches what both I and wumpus used as inputs for rc2, and Gavin's boost inputs for rc2 and rc3 are identical
2217 2014-03-12 22:39:42 <davout> sipa maybe Luke-Jr would not consider it stupid/worthless if i worded the need the pedantic way :D
2218 2014-03-12 22:39:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|ThomasZ: Oh, no, I didn't see that
2219 2014-03-12 22:39:54 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|looks
2220 2014-03-12 22:39:55 kennv has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2221 2014-03-12 22:40:14 <davout> Luke-Jr: how do i get the "from" address of a transaction ?
2222 2014-03-12 22:40:18 <davout> XD
2223 2014-03-12 22:40:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|davout: there isn o from address
2224 2014-03-12 22:40:21 <Luke-Jr> davout: no such thing
2225 2014-03-12 22:40:24 <Luke-Jr> /kick davout
2226 2014-03-12 22:40:47 <sipa> davout: in my opinion, building infrastructure on top of the ability to query the entire blockchain is an unreasonable assumption, which will hurt scalability of the ecosystem
2227 2014-03-12 22:40:58 <sipa> davout: requiring that entire blockchain to be indexed by address is even worse
2228 2014-03-12 22:41:20 <davout> sipa not arguing either way, just wondering
2229 2014-03-12 22:41:22 <sipa> davout: use a watch-only wallet if you need to track available outputs or transactions to a particular address
2230 2014-03-12 22:41:29 <sipa> or set of addresses, rather
2231 2014-03-12 22:41:50 <davout> that sounds perfectly reasonable
2232 2014-03-12 22:42:06 <sipa> (which does have a pull request)
2233 2014-03-12 22:42:28 spin123456 has joined
2234 2014-03-12 22:42:33 spinza has quit (Disconnected by services)
2235 2014-03-12 22:42:36 <Luke-Jr> (a broken pull request..)
2236 2014-03-12 22:42:45 <sipa> :)
2237 2014-03-12 22:42:57 nsh has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2238 2014-03-12 22:42:58 nsh_ has joined
2239 2014-03-12 22:43:15 <davout> Luke-Jr there should be a pull request to add the "from" address display in the client
2240 2014-03-12 22:43:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|davout: But there is no "from" address
2241 2014-03-12 22:43:31 <sipa> michagogo|cloud: don't feed the troll :p
2242 2014-03-12 22:43:42 <davout> michagogo|cloud please. it's Luke-Jr i'm trolling
2243 2014-03-12 22:43:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Or, not any "from" address that can be usefully used for anything
2244 2014-03-12 22:43:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|davout: Ahhhh
2245 2014-03-12 22:44:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|didn't catch that
2246 2014-03-12 22:44:19 ThomasZ is now known as ThomasZzZ
2247 2014-03-12 22:45:29 Neozonz has joined
2248 2014-03-12 22:45:36 <davout> michagogo|cloud: no worries <3
2249 2014-03-12 22:46:14 denisx has quit (Quit: denisx)
2250 2014-03-12 22:46:26 <davout> oh, while i'm there, serious question, still no way to batch-import keys? as in rescan once, not for every import?
2251 2014-03-12 22:46:35 <sipa> yes, you can
2252 2014-03-12 22:46:41 <davout> neat-o
2253 2014-03-12 22:46:45 <sipa> just provide rescan=false for all but the last one
2254 2014-03-12 22:46:52 <sipa> OR use the 0.9 importwallet RPC
2255 2014-03-12 22:46:56 <davout> sweet-o
2256 2014-03-12 22:47:19 <davout> i see there's also a label option
2257 2014-03-12 22:47:27 <davout> so the full CL would be
2258 2014-03-12 22:47:42 <davout> importprivkey XXXXX "" false
2259 2014-03-12 22:47:43 <davout> ?
2260 2014-03-12 22:47:49 ematiu has joined
2261 2014-03-12 22:47:58 <sipa> indeed
2262 2014-03-12 22:48:05 <sipa> but importwallet is more powerful
2263 2014-03-12 22:48:09 Neozonz has quit (Disc!~Neozonz@unaffiliated/neozonz|Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2264 2014-03-12 22:48:13 <sipa> it finds out from where to rescan for example
2265 2014-03-12 22:48:28 <sipa> and can import labelless keys
2266 2014-03-12 22:48:40 <davout> well, i'm mostly dealing with addies generated from electrum wallets
2267 2014-03-12 22:48:50 * Luke-Jr ponders if importwallet preserves labels
2268 2014-03-12 22:48:55 hmsimha has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2269 2014-03-12 22:49:06 daybyter has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
2270 2014-03-12 22:49:09 <davout> so until bitcoind gets native deterministic wallet feats i'm kinda stuck with that
2271 2014-03-12 22:49:43 <Luke-Jr> or pycoin
2272 2014-03-12 22:49:48 <sipa> Luke-Jr: it does
2273 2014-03-12 22:51:47 ielo has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2274 2014-03-12 22:52:27 <adam3us> anyone have a contact for someone at bitstamp?
2275 2014-03-12 22:52:54 spinza has joined
2276 2014-03-12 22:54:13 spin123456 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2277 2014-03-12 22:54:15 saulimus has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2278 2014-03-12 22:54:55 bbrian has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
2279 2014-03-12 22:58:10 Adrao has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2280 2014-03-12 22:59:45 spinza has quit (Disconnected by services)
2281 2014-03-12 22:59:45 spin123456 has joined
2282 2014-03-12 23:00:15 ematiu has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2283 2014-03-12 23:01:06 tiago__ has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2284 2014-03-12 23:01:59 jazper_ has joined
2285 2014-03-12 23:02:12 Adrao has joined
2286 2014-03-12 23:03:00 jazper- has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
2287 2014-03-12 23:03:15 dims_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2288 2014-03-12 23:03:32 MoALTz_ has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2289 2014-03-12 23:03:52 Chief_Panda has left ("Leaving")
2290 2014-03-12 23:04:49 gfawkes_ has joined
2291 2014-03-12 23:05:04 hanti is now known as HANTI
2292 2014-03-12 23:06:33 viperhr has joined
2293 2014-03-12 23:07:09 roconnor has joined
2294 2014-03-12 23:07:25 SwampTony has joined
2295 2014-03-12 23:07:27 johnsoft has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2296 2014-03-12 23:07:49 johnsoft has joined
2297 2014-03-12 23:07:53 SwampTony has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2298 2014-03-12 23:08:04 non2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
2299 2014-03-12 23:09:58 Jasmin68k has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
2300 2014-03-12 23:10:48 ralphtheninja has joined
2301 2014-03-12 23:13:34 spinza has joined
2302 2014-03-12 23:14:39 spin123456 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2303 2014-03-12 23:14:54 pierreatwork has joined
2304 2014-03-12 23:15:42 wbaw has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2305 2014-03-12 23:16:18 ematiu has joined
2306 2014-03-12 23:16:42 nova90 has quit (Quit: nova90)
2307 2014-03-12 23:16:50 dims_ has joined
2308 2014-03-12 23:17:28 Marijana has joined
2309 2014-03-12 23:20:50 p8m has quit (Quit: leaving)
2310 2014-03-12 23:22:24 W0rmDr1nk has joined
2311 2014-03-12 23:22:32 W0rmDr1nk has quit (Changing host)
2312 2014-03-12 23:22:33 W0rmDr1nk has joined
2313 2014-03-12 23:24:19 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
2314 2014-03-12 23:24:40 nsh_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2315 2014-03-12 23:25:13 hmmma has joined
2316 2014-03-12 23:25:46 Zifre has joined
2317 2014-03-12 23:26:19 wbaw has joined
2318 2014-03-12 23:30:29 tesserajk has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2319 2014-03-12 23:32:58 nsh_ has joined
2320 2014-03-12 23:34:35 _ImI_ has joined
2321 2014-03-12 23:37:00 twobitcoins_ has joined
2322 2014-03-12 23:37:22 graingert__ has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
2323 2014-03-12 23:37:55 graingert__ has joined
2324 2014-03-12 23:38:41 draaa has joined
2325 2014-03-12 23:38:41 tipsfedora has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2326 2014-03-12 23:38:46 gasteve has joined
2327 2014-03-12 23:38:46 gasteve has quit (Changing host)
2328 2014-03-12 23:38:46 gasteve has joined
2329 2014-03-12 23:38:54 tipsfedora has joined
2330 2014-03-12 23:38:57 roidster has joined
2331 2014-03-12 23:38:59 draa has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
2332 2014-03-12 23:40:20 twobitcoins has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
2333 2014-03-12 23:40:28 silkyyyy has joined
2334 2014-03-12 23:41:49 spinza has quit (Disconnected by services)
2335 2014-03-12 23:41:49 spin123456 has joined
2336 2014-03-12 23:41:56 <gavinandresen> coryfields: RE: macports versus homebrew: what are you worried about breaking?
2337 2014-03-12 23:42:03 wallet42 has joined
2338 2014-03-12 23:43:27 <coryfields> gavinandresen: nothing in particular, but that it turns the output into a ~90% untested binary
2339 2014-03-12 23:43:44 <gavinandresen> Every new release is 100% untested until it gets tested….
2340 2014-03-12 23:44:30 <gavinandresen> So far, homebrew build looks good-- tested a full testnet sync on 10.6.8, transaction sent and received.
2341 2014-03-12 23:44:32 <coryfields> right, but the beta/rc stage helps to narrow down testing. with new depends, testing starts from scratch
2342 2014-03-12 23:44:52 <gavinandresen> I'm installing Mavericks in a VM to see if there are issues there right now
2343 2014-03-12 23:45:34 <gavinandresen> Several people build git HEAD using homebrew, and I haven't heard of any issues from them, so I think you're over-worrying.
2344 2014-03-12 23:46:15 <coryfields> gavinandresen: i understand that i can't put forward a good argument other than "there be dragons, maybe". so i won't harp on it.
2345 2014-03-12 23:46:21 wyager has joined
2346 2014-03-12 23:47:01 <gavinandresen> If there are dragons, they are probably cute little baby dragons.  Not huge wallet-stealing dragons.
2347 2014-03-12 23:47:24 <coryfields> but it still makes me very uneasy, and i'd rest easier knowing that release code-paths matched dev-stage ones in the future
2348 2014-03-12 23:47:46 wallet42 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2349 2014-03-12 23:47:47 <coryfields> so i guess i'll take this one as "yell louder... earlier" :)
2350 2014-03-12 23:48:07 agricocb has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
2351 2014-03-12 23:48:20 <gavinandresen> ok. I'm going to switch my dev environment from macports to homebrew (already did that on my office machine this afternoon, wasn't as painful as I feared)
2352 2014-03-12 23:49:08 <coryfields> gavinandresen: there's one main thing to consider, get macports out of your PATH if possible
2353 2014-03-12 23:49:14 one_zero has joined
2354 2014-03-12 23:49:18 <coryfields> better yet
2355 2014-03-12 23:49:19 <Diablo-D3> homebrew > *
2356 2014-03-12 23:49:39 _ImI_ has quit (Quit: _ImI_)
2357 2014-03-12 23:49:40 <gavinandresen> coryfields: mmm, I completely remove /opt/ ...
2358 2014-03-12 23:49:40 <coryfields> if homebrew is the way forward, then let's switch the search order in configure
2359 2014-03-12 23:49:50 tinaivanova has joined
2360 2014-03-12 23:49:52 <coryfields> or un-teach it to look for macports
2361 2014-03-12 23:49:57 Aaaaand-its-gone has joined
2362 2014-03-12 23:50:15 <gavinandresen> I'd vote for dropping macports support in 0.9.1
2363 2014-03-12 23:50:30 <coryfields> problem as-is is that it finds both, and it's a race for which paths are found
2364 2014-03-12 23:50:31 <gavinandresen> fewer configurations supported is better
2365 2014-03-12 23:50:54 <coryfields> ok
2366 2014-03-12 23:50:58 <warren> gavinandresen: consensus among mac experts here seems to be that homebrew is much better maintained than macports
2367 2014-03-12 23:51:27 <gavinandresen> warren: yup… wish I'd picked homebrew a few years ago when support was about equal
2368 2014-03-12 23:51:46 closer has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2369 2014-03-12 23:51:50 RoboTeddy has joined
2370 2014-03-12 23:52:18 <warren> you will change configure to actively exclude macports
2371 2014-03-12 23:52:19 <warren> ?
2372 2014-03-12 23:52:59 <warren> gavinandresen: coryfields: btw, what ever happened to that deterministic mac cross compile?
2373 2014-03-12 23:54:17 <coryfields> warren: it's done. gavinandresen was looking at targeting it for .9.1, so i'll get it synced up after .9.0 is out and the deps stuff is worked out for good
2374 2014-03-12 23:55:04 <warren> cool
2375 2014-03-12 23:55:28 closer has joined
2376 2014-03-12 23:55:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|coryfields: Ah, did you figure out how to do the dmg?
2377 2014-03-12 23:56:18 <coryfields> done is relative, i suppose. the process is worked out and it builds/runs just fine. what remains is cleaning up the dependencies, but i don't want to waste time cleaning the wrong ones.
2378 2014-03-12 23:56:28 <coryfields> michagogo|cloud: yea
2379 2014-03-12 23:56:39 Starduster has quit (Quit: gotta go)
2380 2014-03-12 23:56:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And hey, if we're adding Mac builds to gitian, we can take the opportunity to rename the linux folders (version)-linux :-D
2381 2014-03-12 23:56:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|coryfields: Well done.
2382 2014-03-12 23:57:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|BTW, IIRC you needed a 10.5.pkg file
2383 2014-03-12 23:57:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Now that we're dropping 10.5 support, is a different file needed?
2384 2014-03-12 23:57:33 <coryfields> michagogo|cloud: it's 10.6 file
2385 2014-03-12 23:58:55 <coryfields> that doesn't negate the question really, just delays it a bit :p
2386 2014-03-12 23:59:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah, so it is
2387 2014-03-12 23:59:52 <gavinandresen> warren: do you still have people willing/able to help gitian build?