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   4 2014-03-14 00:01:45 <tiago> Found my problem. Wasn't running gitian as root, so there was a permission denied error from kvm
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   7 2014-03-14 00:02:34 <softwaremechanic> I'm working through how multisig transactions are supposed to work.  Is there a canonical implementation that folks are using?
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  11 2014-03-14 00:05:56 <jakov> raw transactions on bitcoind i guess, for multisig
  12 2014-03-14 00:06:40 <shesek> softwaremechanic, you also have some web interfaces, see multisig.info, ms-brainwallet.org and coinb.in/multisig
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  15 2014-03-14 00:07:08 <shesek> there's also bitrated.com, which is an interface specifically for the purpose of 2-of-3 multi-signature transactions for arbitration services
  16 2014-03-14 00:07:20 <softwaremechanic> cool, lots of good info
  17 2014-03-14 00:07:36 <softwaremechanic> The web services will be good to validate against
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  20 2014-03-14 00:10:09 <jakov> im glad more people are getting interested in multisig
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  25 2014-03-14 00:13:13 <softwaremechanic> It's a neat protocol, but takes some study to figure out.
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  36 2014-03-14 00:19:26 <tiago> bitcoin is a lot more flexible than it looks like at the first look, stuff like multisig makes it much more useful
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 274 2014-03-14 01:37:32 <CheckDavid> Hey
 275 2014-03-14 01:37:37 <CheckDavid> https://github.com/casascius/Bitcoin-Address-Utility
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 278 2014-03-14 01:38:01 <CheckDavid> This repository includes a brain wallet function
 279 2014-03-14 01:38:22 <CheckDavid> But I am not sir how to find it or use it
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 282 2014-03-14 01:38:37 <SomeoneWeird> as i've said, multiple times, you need to compile it.
 283 2014-03-14 01:38:44 <CheckDavid> I am a coding noob I admit
 284 2014-03-14 01:39:01 <SomeoneWeird> what OS are you running?
 285 2014-03-14 01:39:11 <CheckDavid> SomeoneWeird: thanks for your input. I have never really compiled anything
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 289 2014-03-14 01:40:47 <SomeoneWeird> what OS are you running?
 290 2014-03-14 01:40:56 <CheckDavid> SomeoneWeird: android
 291 2014-03-14 01:41:03 <SomeoneWeird> uhh
 292 2014-03-14 01:41:10 <SomeoneWeird> what?
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 297 2014-03-14 01:42:03 <CheckDavid> SomeoneWeird: am I helpless?
 298 2014-03-14 01:42:07 <CheckDavid> Lol
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 300 2014-03-14 01:42:19 <SomeoneWeird> you're booting an x86 android image?
 301 2014-03-14 01:42:31 <SomeoneWeird> are you using osx, linux, windows etc?
 302 2014-03-14 01:42:46 <CheckDavid> No. I am just using an unroofed nexus 5 with latest android
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 307 2014-03-14 01:43:25 <CheckDavid> But I would really like to have the brain wallet part of the code
 308 2014-03-14 01:43:30 <SomeoneWeird> i'm so confused
 309 2014-03-14 01:43:32 <CheckDavid> To learn, treat and use
 310 2014-03-14 01:43:39 <SomeoneWeird> this is on your phone?
 311 2014-03-14 01:43:44 <CheckDavid> * test
 312 2014-03-14 01:43:46 <SomeoneWeird> what OS are you running on your computer
 313 2014-03-14 01:44:16 <CheckDavid> SomeoneWeird: I don't have another digital device right now unfortunately
 314 2014-03-14 01:44:28 <SomeoneWeird> oh.
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 316 2014-03-14 01:44:33 <SomeoneWeird> then you're out of luck
 317 2014-03-14 01:44:42 <CheckDavid> SomeoneWeird: I see
 318 2014-03-14 01:44:49 <CheckDavid> That's ok
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 321 2014-03-14 01:45:52 <CheckDavid> SomeoneWeird: I am more interested in having the brain wallet code
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 323 2014-03-14 01:46:09 <SomeoneWeird> to do what with?
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 325 2014-03-14 01:46:29 <CheckDavid> In a way that I could run it on android or on an online interpretee/console
 326 2014-03-14 01:46:54 <SomeoneWeird> well, you can't
 327 2014-03-14 01:47:01 <SomeoneWeird> that code is not written for android
 328 2014-03-14 01:47:08 <CheckDavid> SomeoneWeird: to learn, test and maybe even repurpose for my own use
 329 2014-03-14 01:47:43 <CheckDavid>  I see SomeoneWeird . thanks for the information
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 335 2014-03-14 01:51:21 <CheckDavid> SomeoneWeird: you think it would be possible to have a script that does basically what a brain wallet does?
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 338 2014-03-14 01:53:41 <CheckDavid> Is it available anywhere? Maybe I should code it myself by reading the wiki? :p
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 352 2014-03-14 02:00:30 <B0g4r7> I've got a dumb question: why does bitcoin-qt require my wallet passphrase to add a new address to the wallet?
 353 2014-03-14 02:00:52 <Imbue> B0g4r7: I believe it generates a new address to add to the keypool
 354 2014-03-14 02:01:13 <Imbue> the address you get is precomputed, but one is tacked on to ensure there are 100 (or specified) remaining
 355 2014-03-14 02:01:15 <B0g4r7> Yes, but why does it require the passphrase?
 356 2014-03-14 02:01:17 <Imbue> this must be encrypted
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 358 2014-03-14 02:01:43 <Imbue> otherwise you have an unencrypted key lying around :)
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 360 2014-03-14 02:01:48 <B0g4r7> So the encryption uses a symmetric-style cipher then, not a public/private-key style?
 361 2014-03-14 02:01:53 <Imbue> yes
 362 2014-03-14 02:02:02 <B0g4r7> OK.
 363 2014-03-14 02:02:06 <B0g4r7> Thx.
 364 2014-03-14 02:02:23 <Imbue> to my knowledge aes256 is used
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 368 2014-03-14 02:03:26 <Imbue> B0g4r7: similarly, when you encrypt your wallet
 369 2014-03-14 02:03:49 <Imbue> i believe unused keys are marked as used, and new ones are generated and immediately encrypted
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 372 2014-03-14 02:04:49 <Imbue> another explanation could be that the client checks that it actually has a valid private key for the new address generated (requiring decryption to check)... i'm not entirely sure
 373 2014-03-14 02:04:51 <B0g4r7> I'm trying to add a bunch of new addresses, and it gets tedious typing that each time.
 374 2014-03-14 02:05:08 <B0g4r7> I guess I should use the API.
 375 2014-03-14 02:05:10 <Imbue> you could unlock the wallet for a set period of time in debug console, should work
 376 2014-03-14 02:05:21 <Imbue> walletpassphrase 'keygoeshere' 60 (keeps it open for 60 seconds)
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 483 2014-03-14 04:09:20 <wumpus> oh gawd they've brought the unit shedpainting discussion to github
 484 2014-03-14 04:10:00 <wumpus> can we just agree not to agree
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 535 2014-03-14 05:18:13 <bazi> Hi
 536 2014-03-14 05:18:33 <bazi> I had a doubt in how alfacahier exchange works
 537 2014-03-14 05:19:02 <bazi> please I want to develop an Ecurrency Exchange
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 539 2014-03-14 05:20:36 <bazi> Is anyone to help?
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 686 2014-03-14 08:36:44 <wumpus> UGH, that github issue is now top story on reddit /r/bitcoin
 687 2014-03-14 08:39:42 <gmaxwell> some of the activity in github has been really difficult to deal with lately.
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 690 2014-03-14 08:42:21 <wumpus> I wish actual pulls got that many (useful) replies from testers and reviewers and such :p
 691 2014-03-14 08:42:59 <gmaxwell> I liked the +1 and then you asked if they'd tested it and they said they didn't want to download the blockchain. Doh.
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 693 2014-03-14 08:43:19 <wumpus> hehe
 694 2014-03-14 08:43:33 <ThomasZ> separates the men from the boys ;)
 695 2014-03-14 08:45:21 <ThomasZ> ontopic; I'm using mbtc on the qt client, I'm not sure I'd like micro.
 696 2014-03-14 08:46:07 <Luke-Jr> ROFL\
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 724 2014-03-14 09:16:13 <gmaxwell> wumpus: and as the noise continues on with that pull request... I'm thinking "and meanwhile, dogecoin is in the process of deploying a hardfork which radically changes the subsidy and overall coin supply, and the fact that the change was being made is only mentioned kinda indirectly in their release comments, and none of their users care"
 725 2014-03-14 09:17:20 <kadoban> hah
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 734 2014-03-14 09:22:39 <wumpus> gmaxwell: probably they're too busy having fun and posting dog memes to notice
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 737 2014-03-14 09:23:52 <the_2nd> such forks, much cryptomess
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 739 2014-03-14 09:24:39 <wumpus> though you could probably sneak a change like that into bitcoin while everyone is distracted by the important question of how many decimals to show :p
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 741 2014-03-14 09:26:10 * gmaxwell coughs https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3842
 742 2014-03-14 09:26:31 <gmaxwell> (what, the supply of bitcoins isn't really stupposted start tending to infinite a few hundred years from now? :P )
 743 2014-03-14 09:26:50 <kinlo> I do think it shows the power of the developpers
 744 2014-03-14 09:27:39 <gmaxwell> kinlo: nah, that shit wouldn't work in bitcoin.
 745 2014-03-14 09:27:48 <gmaxwell> in spite of my cyinical whining.
 746 2014-03-14 09:28:42 <wumpus> no, it won't, I was just kidding
 747 2014-03-14 09:29:08 <Apocalyptic> maybe we should left shift after the 64th halving
 748 2014-03-14 09:30:24 <wumpus> or use a circular shift
 749 2014-03-14 09:30:52 <gmaxwell> well on x86 with gcc today the shift by 64 there does nothing.
 750 2014-03-14 09:31:18 <gmaxwell> meaning that the subsidy will jump back to 50. Amusingly, fixing it is just a soft-form in any case, since subsidy can be less. :)
 751 2014-03-14 09:31:26 <gmaxwell> er soft-fork.
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 753 2014-03-14 09:31:45 <wumpus> could also just add an assert() if we don't want to decide it for the people in 200 years
 754 2014-03-14 09:32:27 <gmaxwell> I don't think they'd really want the sudden jump back to 50 even if they wanted something different in any case. But yea an assert() //Holy shit, you're still running this? wtf is wrong with you. :P
 755 2014-03-14 09:32:32 <wumpus> on the other hand it may create some y2k like issue, the 64th halving, the end of everything! :p
 756 2014-03-14 09:32:45 <kinlo> gmaxwell: because in bitcoin someone would yell
 757 2014-03-14 09:33:16 <kinlo> but if you manage to keep the changes so that noobody yells loud enough
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 762 2014-03-14 09:39:28 <TD> hmm
 763 2014-03-14 09:39:35 <TD> >> is undefined for a >64 bit shift?
 764 2014-03-14 09:39:43 <wumpus> yes
 765 2014-03-14 09:39:48 <TD> huh
 766 2014-03-14 09:39:53 <TD> i thought it was defined to give zero
 767 2014-03-14 09:40:07 <wumpus> in general: a shift larger or equal than the bit size of the type
 768 2014-03-14 09:40:17 <wumpus> rightshift for negative values is also undefined
 769 2014-03-14 09:40:25 <wumpus> (in C/C++, dunno about Java)
 770 2014-03-14 09:41:21 <TD> in practice on x86 it would compile down to SHR, which would just fill everything with zeros, right
 771 2014-03-14 09:42:21 <wumpus> I think it wraps around in case of x64 (so a shift by 64 is a shift by 0)
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 773 2014-03-14 09:43:08 <kadoban> does it really? that's pretty gross
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 775 2014-03-14 09:43:56 <TD> i don't think amd64 would redefine the meaning of something as basic as SHR. there's a ROR operation if you want it to wrap around
 776 2014-03-14 09:44:22 <wumpus> nonono it doesn't wrap the bits around
 777 2014-03-14 09:44:44 <wumpus> just the right shift amount is modulo 64
 778 2014-03-14 09:44:46 <TD> oh
 779 2014-03-14 09:45:31 <wumpus> in any case it is undefined, which is very scary in C, the compiler is allowed to do everything, including optimizing away the code completely
 780 2014-03-14 09:46:20 <TD> yeah
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 784 2014-03-14 09:52:05 <wumpus> C is really a minefield in some ways
 785 2014-03-14 09:52:44 <gmaxwell> The world is a minefield. :)
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 788 2014-03-14 09:53:45 <wumpus> right
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 793 2014-03-14 09:56:00 <TD> i watched a very cool talk once. it was called "java puzzlers" and it covers, i think, 26 bizarre or undefined behaviours in java that can explode in your face
 794 2014-03-14 09:56:39 <TD> so by the end of course you're thinking, huh, it's not so much better than c++. but then bloch says, ok, that's it. we searched high and low for these and think we got them all. given the size of the thing, that's pretty good.
 795 2014-03-14 09:57:03 <TD> you can actually fit the entire language specification in your head and not be surprised by anything, in theory
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 797 2014-03-14 09:57:52 <TD> sipa: i'm seeing that 0.9.0rc3 is having trouble syncing on my test machines
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 799 2014-03-14 09:58:18 <TD> sipa: lots of "already have block" messages. i know this can happen sometimes normally but it seems more frequent now
 800 2014-03-14 09:58:24 <TD> also
 801 2014-03-14 09:58:25 <TD> 2014-03-14 09:56:54 ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 145, prev=0000000000000000864ddf520c0b406708b93165d99f5e265d39c5dc9b7ac54b
 802 2014-03-14 09:58:35 <TD> etc. with orphan count going up with each block
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 805 2014-03-14 09:59:55 <wumpus> it's pretty common to pick up chains of orphans during the initial sync
 806 2014-03-14 10:00:21 <wumpus> at least the number of them stored in memory is now bounded
 807 2014-03-14 10:00:54 <TD> didn't used to happen so much, it feels like
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 811 2014-03-14 10:06:01 <vegard> yeah, I'm still syncing and it happened at least twice so far. when the block connecting the orphans finally comes in, it can take cs_main lock for 35+ minutes while it waits for all the orphans to be connected
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 817 2014-03-14 10:10:32 <vegard> I find that it's a lot faster to do initial sync with -maxconnections=1 though it's probably unsafe in theory :-/
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 829 2014-03-14 10:24:04 <sturles> vegard: *If* you are lucky.  If you are unlucky and hit a node on some slow home ADSL line, downloading 18 GB of data may take days.
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 832 2014-03-14 10:26:09 <t7> it should give you a magnet link to a bit torrent version :D
 833 2014-03-14 10:26:26 <t7> automatically package a new torrent every x blocks
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 835 2014-03-14 10:26:36 <aschildbach> I sometimes get requests to add the sign message feature to Bitcoin Wallet. Its mostly miners who want to change their mining pool payout settings and need to sign some authorization token. I wonder how that usecase can work with an HD-only wallet. If users don't see any addresses, how can they know what key they need to sign with? Is that key available, or has it perhaps "rolled out the window"? Are there any plans for a different
 836 2014-03-14 10:26:36 <aschildbach> signing protocol that uses keys only once?
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 838 2014-03-14 10:31:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|aschildbach: well, you need an address to give to Eligius in the first place
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 857 2014-03-14 10:55:23 <vegard> sturles: I think I'm limited by the speed of the verification anyway :-/ my datadir is a cifs share on another machine, so verification is pretty slow.
 858 2014-03-14 10:55:24 <aschildbach> michagogo|cloud: And after that? Guess they'll re-use that address for some time?
 859 2014-03-14 10:58:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|aschildbach: right now, Eligius doesn't have any concept of registration
 860 2014-03-14 10:58:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You just start your miner with an address as the username
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 862 2014-03-14 10:59:20 <TD> aschildbach: that use case would be hard to support with a sane UI, for sure
 863 2014-03-14 11:00:04 <TD> aschildbach: addresses need to disappear to some extent. for mining pools that authenticate users exclusively by their private key, it might be better to just let users export a private key for an address, and then use an external tool to do this. but really the whole idea of doing that is kind of bogus :)
 864 2014-03-14 11:00:14 <TD> they're just reinventing SSL client certs, badly
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 896 2014-03-14 11:50:59 <koriander22> hi there
 897 2014-03-14 11:51:24 <koriander22> can anyone tell me what happens if the last block is found ?
 898 2014-03-14 11:51:57 <koriander22> how do we confirm transactions when no more blocks are found ?
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 900 2014-03-14 11:52:22 <PRab> koriander22: there is no last block
 901 2014-03-14 11:52:33 <koriander22> shure there is
 902 2014-03-14 11:52:44 <PRab> even once the block reward goes to 0, you can still mine blocks
 903 2014-03-14 11:53:21 <Bunnyh> if there really is a last block, it means btc failed and nobody cares anymore
 904 2014-03-14 11:53:35 <koriander22> thats what i thought...
 905 2014-03-14 11:53:39 <the_2nd> koriander22, said there's a last block, so there is
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 918 2014-03-14 12:08:08 <wumpus> the last block, when the mining hardware is so powerful it will generate the hash 0*64 every time?
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 920 2014-03-14 12:11:05 <vegard> well, I guess it's theoretically unproven that there even exists _any_ input for which the sha256 hash has, say, 88 leading 0s
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 923 2014-03-14 12:11:49 <vegard> (88 bits, that is)
 924 2014-03-14 12:12:47 <wumpus> ey yes that should be 0*256 :)
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 931 2014-03-14 12:15:58 <wumpus> vegard: right, the only way to prove that is probably by giving an example (if there was another way to prove it, could it be used for shortcutting mining?)
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 979 2014-03-14 13:15:04 <ilovebitcoinfr> hi
 980 2014-03-14 13:16:03 <ilovebitcoinfr> I have a simple newbie question for you gentlemen. Where do I find the line of code which deals with coinbase maturation setting?
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 982 2014-03-14 13:18:40 <ilovebitcoinfr> ok i found out doing a simple search in github sorry for the silly question: static const int COINBASE_MATURITY = 100; in main.h
 983 2014-03-14 13:20:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|ilovebitcoinfr: Keep in mind, that's the protocol rule
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 989 2014-03-14 13:22:59 <nezZario> in light of endless discussions on the dev mailing list and github about default display unit could somebody write up a straw poll to get a "real" community census?
 990 2014-03-14 13:23:05 <nezZario> i'm just tired of seeing it at this point
 991 2014-03-14 13:23:36 <nezZario> some sample questions i wrote last night half asleep: http://pastebin.com/aTPQsXSb
 992 2014-03-14 13:23:53 <nezZario> i'll hand write it or find a service that's reputable if there is any interest
 993 2014-03-14 13:24:07 <nezZario> if that occurs would like feedback / ideas for the Q's..
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 998 2014-03-14 13:26:58 <olalonde1> hey guys.. i just released some tools related to "solvency" proof schemes. see http://syskall.com/blind-liability-proof/
 999 2014-03-14 13:27:03 <olalonde1> feedback welcome
1000 2014-03-14 13:27:04 <comboy> nezZario: there are some up down arrows here http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20dasw/switch_all_units_to_microbtc_by_default_issue/ but I think the reference client would possibly be in a much worse shape than it is now if development would be driven by community polls
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1002 2014-03-14 13:27:27 <wumpus> it's pretty much a red herring, we're not going to switch default units before muBTC gains wider adoption in the ecosystem
1003 2014-03-14 13:27:27 <epscy> i agree
1004 2014-03-14 13:27:27 <jgarzik> indeed
1005 2014-03-14 13:27:43 <jgarzik> wumpus, it's a chicken-and-egg
1006 2014-03-14 13:27:56 <wumpus> no, it's not... mBTC is used all over the place now and we never used it as default
1007 2014-03-14 13:28:13 <nezZario> comboy: not saying it should be community driven but it sure would be nice have that data for the 500 reddit,ML,github posts that refer to "consensus"
1008 2014-03-14 13:28:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|nezZario: http://strawpoll.me/1311316
1009 2014-03-14 13:28:24 <nezZario> just a suggestion
1010 2014-03-14 13:28:34 <wumpus> sites can start recomminding to use muBTC, all other wallets need to support it as option, exchanges need to support it as option
1011 2014-03-14 13:28:43 <wumpus> before we can even think about changing the default
1012 2014-03-14 13:28:56 <nezZario> i always liked jcorgan's idea for the record.. ;)
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1014 2014-03-14 13:29:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|http://strawpoll.me/1311319
1015 2014-03-14 13:29:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|http://strawpoll.me/1311322
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1019 2014-03-14 13:31:45 <wumpus> another option would be to get all/most wallet authors, exchanges, blockchain.info etc to agree on a switch date, but I somehow don't see that happening
1020 2014-03-14 13:32:22 <epscy> i don't think the satoshi client should change anything
1021 2014-03-14 13:32:34 <epscy> add them as user configurable options perhaps
1022 2014-03-14 13:32:39 <wumpus> even the Armory author had second thoughts
1023 2014-03-14 13:32:49 <wumpus> epscy: it has been a user configurable option since day one of Bitcoin-Qt
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1028 2014-03-14 13:33:18 <epscy> oh?, I don't use QT so i didn't know that
1029 2014-03-14 13:33:44 <nezZario> well, a real close count of conesus would be nice is all i'm saying
1030 2014-03-14 13:33:44 <wumpus> too many people are talking about this without even *using* the software
1031 2014-03-14 13:34:37 <nezZario> jgarzik's original ml post that started it all back up even referred to "it sounded like the consensus was uBTC"
1032 2014-03-14 13:34:44 <nezZario> (i'm assuming that's you jgarzik)
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1034 2014-03-14 13:35:46 <jgarzik> wumpus, the github got linked on reddit.  Things degenerated from there...
1035 2014-03-14 13:36:11 <epscy> the whole thing is a distraction
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1037 2014-03-14 13:36:16 <wumpus> yes that was/is the consensus, but nothing happened after that and many sites and wallets switched to mBTC instead
1038 2014-03-14 13:36:36 <wumpus> everyone should add muBTC as option first
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1040 2014-03-14 13:37:14 <wumpus> epscy: yep!
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1043 2014-03-14 13:39:14 <comboy> is there any doc describing how bitcoind leveldb storage is organized?
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1045 2014-03-14 13:40:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|comboy: Yes, but it's written in C++
1046 2014-03-14 13:41:11 <comboy> michagogo|cloud: right... ;)
1047 2014-03-14 13:41:58 <hearn> a few years ago, i used to wonder if maybe transactions should have a "vote" for the number of decimal places we should be using attached to it
1048 2014-03-14 13:42:13 <hearn> and then votes would be ranked according to coins spent, or something like that. and when there was enough votes to change, all software would switch simultaneously
1049 2014-03-14 13:42:49 <wumpus> OP_RETURN <BTC|mBTC|uBTC> :p
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1051 2014-03-14 13:43:07 <hearn> ideally bitcoind would have RPCs for formatting of values, as would every other library, and then software could just rely on the system to decide how to write prices
1052 2014-03-14 13:43:22 <hearn> but of course a lot of prices are written by hand and aren't dynamic. so i stopped thinking about it there
1053 2014-03-14 13:43:58 <wumpus> I don't think moving part of the presentation layer into bitcoind is very desireable
1054 2014-03-14 13:45:28 <jgarzik> I've always thought bitcoind RPC should be satoshis only, zero decimals
1055 2014-03-14 13:45:42 <jgarzik> We see bugs aplenty arising from floating point use for financial software
1056 2014-03-14 13:45:55 <jgarzik> *used
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1060 2014-03-14 13:48:17 <ThomasZ> jgarzik: having exactly one way btc-amounts when talking over rpc is for sure the best way to write a reliable platform. Any engineer should agree to that :)
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1065 2014-03-14 13:50:32 <comboy> ThomasZ:  I think most json parsers will automatically build float objects for all amounts, which seems to be a bad start
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1067 2014-03-14 13:51:22 <ThomasZ> heh, yeah.  I had to work with google protocol buffers today and saw; 103.125 printed as 103.12499999999
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1070 2014-03-14 13:52:46 <ThomasZ> btw, donno if he is on irc; thanks fly to wladimir (vdlaan) for approving my little merge request :)
1071 2014-03-14 13:53:33 <hearn> ThomasZ: protobufs lets you represent numbers as ints, so not sure how that happened ...
1072 2014-03-14 13:53:41 <hearn> ThomasZ: unless the field was defined to be a double of course :)
1073 2014-03-14 13:53:46 <ThomasZ> it was
1074 2014-03-14 13:54:07 <jgarzik> comboy, JSON and JavaScript both suck at math
1075 2014-03-14 13:54:16 <jgarzik> which is amusing, because computers, typically, do not suck at math.
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1078 2014-03-14 13:59:24 <hearn> i'm not sure why people like JSON
1079 2014-03-14 13:59:30 <hearn> it seems to have so many issues for such a basic thing
1080 2014-03-14 13:59:43 <hearn> representing all numbers as floats seems particularly egregious
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1083 2014-03-14 14:01:47 <comboy> hearn: what would you choose for rpc (apart from protobufs ;)?
1084 2014-03-14 14:02:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|ThomasZ: Wladimir is laanwj on github, and wumpus here
1085 2014-03-14 14:02:29 <hearn> protobufs
1086 2014-03-14 14:02:31 <ThomasZ> thanks
1087 2014-03-14 14:02:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(it took me way too long to realize that...)
1088 2014-03-14 14:02:37 <wumpus> jgarzik: satoshis as string, then
1089 2014-03-14 14:02:39 <hearn> i mean, we're talking about data serialization
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1091 2014-03-14 14:02:57 <hearn> there aren't many ways to do it properly. protobufs is not perfect but it's the least-worst solution i've seen
1092 2014-03-14 14:03:15 <ThomasZ> wumpus: thanks for approving my merge request, my first commit in bitcoin ;)
1093 2014-03-14 14:03:28 <jgarzik> hearn, "representing all numbers as floats"  <<-- implementation detail, not spec requirement
1094 2014-03-14 14:03:48 <hearn> i thought it was a spec requirement? because JSON is based on Javascript which only has one type of number
1095 2014-03-14 14:03:57 <hearn> or did they decide JSON isn't really javascript anymore
1096 2014-03-14 14:04:02 <wumpus> hearn: well some JSON parsers allow overriding number parsing
1097 2014-03-14 14:04:06 <jgarzik> the latter
1098 2014-03-14 14:04:11 <jgarzik> wumpus, s/some/most/
1099 2014-03-14 14:04:13 <wumpus> for example, Python's, but not all do
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1101 2014-03-14 14:04:25 <wumpus> it'd be better to simply use strings
1102 2014-03-14 14:04:44 <hearn> according to the wiki it's always floats, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSON#Data_types.2C_syntax_and_example
1103 2014-03-14 14:05:00 <jgarzik> wumpus, practically speaking, considering all implementations...   yes.
1104 2014-03-14 14:05:36 <jgarzik> http://json.org/
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1108 2014-03-14 14:06:50 <hearn> jgarzik: according to that site "number" is also defined as being floats
1109 2014-03-14 14:06:58 <hearn> well, whatever. doesn't really matter
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1111 2014-03-14 14:07:01 <hearn> i mean, it does, for finance
1112 2014-03-14 14:07:06 <hearn> but i don't really care :)
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1117 2014-03-14 14:09:33 <wumpus> at least with the current bitcoind RPC implementation (which uses doubles internally for amounts temporarily in a conversion step) I've seen reports of +/- 1 satoshi results , could be client side or server side problem, but at least when using strings and parsing immediately to integer it'd be possible to rule out such problems at our side
1118 2014-03-14 14:10:06 <wumpus> that was my idea behind https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3759
1119 2014-03-14 14:10:27 <hearn> yeah the API needs to change to use ints, that seems like asking for trouble
1120 2014-03-14 14:10:50 <jgarzik> wumpus, indeed x2
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1122 2014-03-14 14:11:31 <jgarzik> wumpus, Though if we are going to do a major RPC redo as discussed, I would lean towards ditching -rpcamount in favor of satoshis-as-strings.
1123 2014-03-14 14:11:37 <jgarzik> Just One Way
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1127 2014-03-14 14:13:17 <dexx> http://bitcoindev.us.to/en/developer-guide << this is pretty cool
1128 2014-03-14 14:13:29 <wumpus> yes one way seems more elegant, it's almost like design by committee now
1129 2014-03-14 14:14:20 <wumpus> then again removing modes is easy as I've implemented them all four...
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1142 2014-03-14 14:28:26 <wumpus> ThomasZ: congrats :) I had to cherry-pick this one manually because it was targeted at 0.9.0 branch instead of master; usually it's the other way around, we merge pulls into master then backport them to 0.9.0
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1144 2014-03-14 14:28:52 <ThomasZ> wumpus: ah, I didn't realize that. Sorry for staging it for the wrong branch!
1145 2014-03-14 14:29:05 <ThomasZ> I'll keep it in mind if I have any more commits
1146 2014-03-14 14:29:43 <wumpus> unless it's release notes updates, you can only direct them at the version branch as master's release notes are a version ahead
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1168 2014-03-14 14:57:43 <radiator> Hi guys. Is coinjoin going to be integrated into bitcoin protocol in the future ?
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1173 2014-03-14 15:02:50 <helo> i think it will always be out-of-band
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1182 2014-03-14 15:12:16 <arubi> does anyone know if wallet.dat's location and name have changed since v0.3.22 ?
1183 2014-03-14 15:12:25 <arubi> on a windows system *
1184 2014-03-14 15:13:30 <arubi> the wiki only has info fo 0.8 and up
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1186 2014-03-14 15:15:47 <kjj> should be the same.  I'm not positive because my windows novelty ancient node isn't quite that old
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1188 2014-03-14 15:16:59 <arubi> alright then. into the pile of old hard drives I go.
1189 2014-03-14 15:17:31 <kjj> your old drives, or are you hoping for abandoned wallets in old drives that you've picked up from elsewhere?
1190 2014-03-14 15:18:16 <arubi> mine. I'm not holding my breath though
1191 2014-03-14 15:18:39 <arubi> there should be about 4 btc in there somewhere, if I haven't overwritten them
1192 2014-03-14 15:18:47 <kjj> if you are looking for a large wallet, it may be wise to use pywallet's full disk scan
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1194 2014-03-14 15:19:32 <arubi> good idea.. I was going to use regular recovery software
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1212 2014-03-14 15:42:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|arubi: yeah, there are tools specifically for finding privkeys
1213 2014-03-14 15:42:19 <sipa> morning
1214 2014-03-14 15:42:49 <arubi> michagogo|cloud, is there anything other than pywallet? hi sipa
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1220 2014-03-14 15:46:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|arubi: I've seen a few on bct
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1222 2014-03-14 15:47:00 <arubi> thanks, I'll search there
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1234 2014-03-14 15:58:40 <sipa> dexx: who wrote that? looks very nice
1235 2014-03-14 15:58:51 <dexx> i don't know, found it on reddit
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1238 2014-03-14 15:58:56 <nezZario> good lord
1239 2014-03-14 15:59:24 <nezZario> nobody cares about multisig or anything useful, but god forbid we bring up the ubtc vs mbtc discussion, suddenly everybody has a very strong opinion
1240 2014-03-14 15:59:40 <nezZario> needing multisig or better client support? meh, it can wait, let's get those units switched
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1242 2014-03-14 16:00:10 <kjj> you complaining that people were using the mailing list as an instant messaging client yesterday?
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1244 2014-03-14 16:00:56 <nezZario> kjj: not really, but mailing list+now there is a github issue+a reddit post pointing to the github issue.. i'm going to guess there is probably a bitcointalk thread (recent ones) too
1245 2014-03-14 16:01:02 <dexx> don't say that. a lot of people would love to have proper multisig support.
1246 2014-03-14 16:01:21 <nezZario> dexx: they should voice that as much as their support for (m|u)BTC, then :)
1247 2014-03-14 16:01:23 <nezZario> is all i'm saying^
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1250 2014-03-14 16:02:28 <nezZario> although i'm pretty happy with the new dev guidelines docs
1251 2014-03-14 16:02:28 <nezZario> that's really nice, .. anybody know who wrote it?
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1256 2014-03-14 16:05:23 <maaku> we need to start using hashcash for th development list...
1257 2014-03-14 16:05:42 <sipa> loi
1258 2014-03-14 16:05:58 <wumpus> nezZario: yes for normal development topics it's almost impossible to get anyone except a small group interested, now this stupid unit issue and everyone needs to voice their opinion, even though I warned that exactly this would happen....
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1269 2014-03-14 16:16:39 <gavinandresen> wumpus: just change the -Qt default to uBTC (because Jeff really cares, and BitPay is a huge source of transaction volume) and then ignore all the noise.
1270 2014-03-14 16:18:04 <wumpus> I really doubt the wisdom of changing the default to a unit that no one in the ecosystem uses yet
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1273 2014-03-14 16:18:32 <gavinandresen> wumpus: okey dokey.
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1275 2014-03-14 16:18:59 <gavinandresen> wumpus: I would be extremely surprised if Bitcoin Core was the leading wallet by number of users any more, and that's a good thing
1276 2014-03-14 16:19:11 <gavinandresen> … so all the argument is, in the big picture, silly.
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1278 2014-03-14 16:19:15 <wumpus> I'd be fine with some kind of dialog at startup that convinces the user of the advantages of uBTC, but suddenly throwing a default change in people's faces I dunno
1279 2014-03-14 16:19:27 <wumpus> gavinandresen: right, that was one of my points as well
1280 2014-03-14 16:19:32 <wumpus> this needs to be a concerted effort to work
1281 2014-03-14 16:19:55 <wumpus> other sides need to implement uBTC as option before we can switch the default, otherwise there's a communication issue
1282 2014-03-14 16:20:00 <wumpus> sites*
1283 2014-03-14 16:20:00 <jgarzik> well...  Bitcoin Wallet just sort of went and did it
1284 2014-03-14 16:20:11 <jgarzik> after a lot of effort spend on discussing the options ;p
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1286 2014-03-14 16:21:00 <sipa> wumpus: piBTC it is
1287 2014-03-14 16:21:18 <wumpus> sipa: yes yes
1288 2014-03-14 16:21:23 <arubi> happy pie day \o/
1289 2014-03-14 16:21:41 <stonecoldpat> it would be easier just to have an option to display all of them and choose what you would like
1290 2014-03-14 16:21:42 <wumpus> arubi: same \o/
1291 2014-03-14 16:21:43 <arubi> pi lol
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1293 2014-03-14 16:21:55 <stonecoldpat> for novice users, if they see uBTC - they can refer to their wallet to see how many they have
1294 2014-03-14 16:22:04 <wumpus> stonecoldpat: again, the option already exists in bitcon-qt since day one
1295 2014-03-14 16:22:30 <stonecoldpat> wumpus: ah sorry i never use qt, didnt realize
1296 2014-03-14 16:22:44 <wumpus> stonecoldpat: that's the same point, everyone comments on this without even using the software
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1298 2014-03-14 16:23:02 <sipa> for some odd reason they still consoder it the reference, it seems
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1301 2014-03-14 16:25:32 <epscy> wumpus: i guess this unit issue is the very definition of bike shedding
1302 2014-03-14 16:25:52 <epscy> also IMO bitcoin should be red, not gold
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1304 2014-03-14 16:25:59 <wumpus> epscy: something the bitcoin community is very good at
1305 2014-03-14 16:26:10 <wumpus> epscy: I like it green that's why I mostly use testnet :)
1306 2014-03-14 16:26:23 <sipa> haha
1307 2014-03-14 16:26:42 <hearn> jgarzik: please stop blaming andreas for this
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1309 2014-03-14 16:26:56 <hearn> hearn: bitcoin wallet switched because most of the rest of the community already had done so. he was actually one of the last
1310 2014-03-14 16:26:59 <hearn> oops
1311 2014-03-14 16:26:59 <hearn> :)
1312 2014-03-14 16:27:02 * hearn is talking to himself now
1313 2014-03-14 16:27:21 <hearn> jgarzik: that's why it's so bizarre that this came up again now. the transition took place months ago
1314 2014-03-14 16:27:30 <hearn> jgarzik: can bitpay not simply round prices in mBTC?
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1316 2014-03-14 16:28:33 <jgarzik> hearn, that doesn't fix the universe.  People outside of BitPay trying to integrate bitcoin into their systems run into this.
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1319 2014-03-14 16:30:43 <sipa> hearn: i know of the increase in orphans while fetching, but i don't think it's related to any code changes
1320 2014-03-14 16:30:57 <sipa> hearn: working on headers-first sync now though
1321 2014-03-14 16:31:47 <stonecoldpat> to win the argument just do a hard-fork and remove 6 decimal places, so mBTC only has 2 points;)
1322 2014-03-14 16:31:56 <sipa> loi
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1326 2014-03-14 16:32:51 <hearn> sipa: hmm. any idea what causes it? change in network conditions?
1327 2014-03-14 16:33:09 <hearn> jgarzik: yeah but they could also just round .... >2dp in mBTC is a fraction of a penny anyway, so is it really useful to put such information into a UI?
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1329 2014-03-14 16:33:27 <sipa> hearn: slower sync means more chances to be disturbed i guess
1330 2014-03-14 16:33:29 <hearn> i mean is there a class of customer that would pay 3.13995 mBTC but not 3.14 mBTC?
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1333 2014-03-14 16:34:19 <hearn> that's actually something worth thinking about more.
1334 2014-03-14 16:34:40 <hearn> jgarzik: if the accounting software can't handle fractions of a penny, then rounding at display/payment request time shouldn't actually make any difference to the final books, right?
1335 2014-03-14 16:34:50 <hearn> or rather, rounding at the time of the currency conversion
1336 2014-03-14 16:35:24 <stonecoldpat> hearn: i wouldnt restrict peoples choice or force them to do rounding, surely financial software can just 'convert' to uBTC for calculation and then 'convert' back to mBTC?
1337 2014-03-14 16:35:28 <hearn> and it has the advantage of making people's wallet UI's look cleaner too. after all just shifting to uBTC doesn't reduce the numeric noise
1338 2014-03-14 16:35:41 <hearn> stonecoldpat: well i suggested that but apparently it helps if the books reflect the same prices users saw
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1340 2014-03-14 16:36:41 <stonecoldpat> hearn: i guess, but surely the software can just display mBTC, but do uBTC calculations underneath, dont see why it should struggle
1341 2014-03-14 16:37:13 <stonecoldpat> if currency is evolving, then in a digital age surely two decimal places is a bit limiting?
1342 2014-03-14 16:38:09 <sipa> it's just easier to have everyone use the same notation everywhere
1343 2014-03-14 16:38:16 <sipa> but i guess people won't agree
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1346 2014-03-14 16:39:30 <stonecoldpat> at the moment, i think mBTC would make more sense, just because a uBIT isn't worth very much
1347 2014-03-14 16:39:46 <sipa> i think that is entirely irrelevant
1348 2014-03-14 16:40:05 <jgarzik> hearn, all your responses seem to match the pattern "how to I work around these problems with mBTC, while avoiding the obvious solution"  ;p
1349 2014-03-14 16:40:09 <sipa> there are currencies where people regularly pay millions
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1352 2014-03-14 16:40:27 <sipa> and people do not reason yet in btc/mbtc/... at all
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1354 2014-03-14 16:40:33 <sipa> and they won't for a long time
1355 2014-03-14 16:40:52 <sipa> it's not like it breaks any mental model of value people have of value in btc yet
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1357 2014-03-14 16:41:12 <stonecoldpat> thats true, i dont have experience of using those type of currencies which is why I'm off the mentality of keeping with smaller numbers when trading
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1379 2014-03-14 16:54:08 <sipa> saivann: who do i contact about http://bitcoindev.us.to/en/developer-guide ?
1380 2014-03-14 16:54:28 <saivann> sipa: me :)
1381 2014-03-14 16:54:32 <saivann> saivann@gmail.com
1382 2014-03-14 16:54:46 <saivann> And https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/bitcoin-documentation
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1384 2014-03-14 16:55:03 <sipa> Bits translates into the target threshold value – the maximum allowed value for this block’s hash. The bit value must be at least as challenging as the network difficulty at the time the block was mined.
1385 2014-03-14 16:55:16 <sipa> ^-  that's not correct; the bits value _defines_ the difficulty and the target
1386 2014-03-14 16:55:26 <sipa> the hash must be below the target defined by bits
1387 2014-03-14 16:55:38 <sipa> but the bits value must be exact
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1389 2014-03-14 16:55:49 <saivann> sipa: Can you open an issue there : https://github.com/saivann/bitcoin.org/issues?state=open
1390 2014-03-14 16:55:57 <sipa> will do
1391 2014-03-14 16:55:58 <saivann> (Or make a pull req, as you wish)
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1393 2014-03-14 16:56:08 <saivann> Thanks
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1403 2014-03-14 17:03:37 <lnovy> I'll just leave it here... http://youtu.be/D1XPS-j-O24
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1405 2014-03-14 17:05:54 <wallet42> i like the pi base proposal..
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1451 2014-03-14 17:57:11 <stonecoldpat> anyone have experience of building bitcoin on fedora?
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1465 2014-03-14 18:11:49 <jgarzik> stonecoldpat, yes, myself warren and gmaxwell
1466 2014-03-14 18:12:09 <jgarzik> stonecoldpat, you must rebuild openssl, then everything else tends to work out of the box
1467 2014-03-14 18:12:21 <softwaremechanic> For bip32 wallets, how are chain codes generated?  It's not clear to me how it's made when I'm building a new wallet master node.
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1473 2014-03-14 18:14:18 <jgarzik> softwaremechanic, the initial chain code, or the chain codes that follow?
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1478 2014-03-14 18:18:36 <softwaremechanic> The initial one
1479 2014-03-14 18:19:14 <softwaremechanic> I didn't realize there was a difference I guess.  I was thinking that the chain code was unique for each node in the wallet chain
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1488 2014-03-14 18:26:13 <stonecoldpat> jgarzik: whats the best way to make bitcoin point to your new openssl compilation?
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1503 2014-03-14 18:42:15 <dims> stonecoldpat, there are 4 flags mentioned in an old chat you can try - http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2013/11/22#l1385084383
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1505 2014-03-14 18:44:19 <stonecoldpat> dims: thanks will look at that now
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1509 2014-03-14 18:50:35 <freeroute> hi, is it possible to write a BTC wallet in bash? I'm asking because I wanted to learn bash for a long time now and this seems like an interesting project to make.
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1515 2014-03-14 18:57:07 <edcba> freeroute: don't
1516 2014-03-14 18:57:57 <freeroute> edcba:
1517 2014-03-14 18:58:01 <freeroute> why?
1518 2014-03-14 18:58:53 <freeroute> I've read that bash struggles a lot with multi-threaded programming and OOP, is that a requirement for a BTC wallet?
1519 2014-03-14 18:59:03 <freeroute> of course I'll do a testnet version first
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1521 2014-03-14 18:59:17 <edcba> there are a lot of stuff you would struggle with
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1523 2014-03-14 19:00:19 <freeroute> you know, strangely enough, struggling is becoming very comfortable for me. For example... I quit my job previously to learn Linux, but after 4 months non-stop learning I still wasn't knowledgeable enough to land a job in that field.
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1525 2014-03-14 19:00:39 <freeroute> so now I'm back to working in hotels
1526 2014-03-14 19:00:47 <freeroute> but... I still want to learn it
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1528 2014-03-14 19:01:04 <freeroute> am I becoming what's called a masochist?
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1535 2014-03-14 19:05:22 <venzen> freeroute: it's not about the multi-threading or OOP - it's just that bash is more suited to interacting with the Linux OS - the kind of things you're going to have to code to make even a simple wallet is just going to break your balls in bash... there are some Bash cookbooks on the net - but a Bitcoin wallet... ouch
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1546 2014-03-14 19:14:56 <CheckDavid> Does anyone know where to get a script that creates a btc address and corresponding keys? Python would be nice. But any language would be better than nothing.
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1556 2014-03-14 19:21:14 <venzen> CheckDavid: try this Python toolkit: https://github.com/richardkiss/pycoin
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1559 2014-03-14 19:22:30 <CheckDavid> venzen: I am very noon I will most probably get lost but I will try to find my way
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1562 2014-03-14 19:23:34 <CheckDavid> Oh
1563 2014-03-14 19:23:39 <freeroute> venzen: would you consider a BTC wallet written in ASM to be easier?
1564 2014-03-14 19:23:42 <CheckDavid> So this is a library?
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1566 2014-03-14 19:25:25 <venzen> CheckDavid: yes, each lib module does a a specific thing - so the adress creation is seperate from the signing, etc
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1568 2014-03-14 19:26:00 <CheckDavid>  Oh. So there is a module dedicated to address creation?
1569 2014-03-14 19:26:12 <CheckDavid> I am not aware about modular libraries though
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1572 2014-03-14 19:27:15 <CheckDavid> https://github.com/richardkiss/pycoin/blob/master/README.md. <- this page talks about private wallets
1573 2014-03-14 19:27:22 <CheckDavid> I never heard about it
1574 2014-03-14 19:27:42 <CheckDavid> What kind of wallet is this?
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1576 2014-03-14 19:28:53 <venzen> Chief_Panda: i can't really say for ASM, but Python is good for most things... just dive in and see what pycoin does - it certainly does addresses and signing (and more)
1577 2014-03-14 19:29:08 <venzen> sorry CheckDavid
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1579 2014-03-14 19:32:48 <wbaw> freeroute, it's possible, but not a good idea
1580 2014-03-14 19:33:03 <wbaw> don't do one in php either
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1582 2014-03-14 19:34:42 <venzen> CheckDavid: the readme is referring to code objects when it says "public" and "private" wallets - so a public wallet generate public keys and a private wallet object -> private keys, as it says: the "genwallet" utility allows interaction with the API, so start there
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1587 2014-03-14 19:38:01 <iaserrat> .
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1589 2014-03-14 19:43:40 <freeroute> wbaw: at first I wanted to learn PHP because of WP, but now I'm leaning towards JS and node. But what would you consider to be easier, a BTC wallet in bash or BTC wallet in ASM?
1590 2014-03-14 19:44:17 <wbaw> if your bash script just calls bitcoind, then that
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1592 2014-03-14 19:45:06 <wbaw> #!/bin/bash
1593 2014-03-14 19:45:13 <wbaw> bitcoind -daemon
1594 2014-03-14 19:47:04 <wbaw> choose the right language for the job
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1596 2014-03-14 19:48:02 <dims> CheckDavid, the smallest python code for a btc address and private key i've seen is the first snippet of code in http://www.righto.com/2014/02/bitcoins-hard-way-using-raw-bitcoin.html
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1598 2014-03-14 19:50:04 <wbaw> freeroute, learn php for drupal
1599 2014-03-14 19:50:13 <freeroute> wbaw: right, but then it would use the codebase of bitcoind. I just wanted to experiment with the idea of building a wallet using non-obvious langs.
1600 2014-03-14 19:50:21 <wbaw> why?
1601 2014-03-14 19:50:27 <freeroute> to learn
1602 2014-03-14 19:50:43 <wbaw> learn something useful instead
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1604 2014-03-14 19:51:54 <freeroute> I'll learn PHP eventually, but numerous people have told me that it was a horrible lang (to learn as a first timer). Hence why that molded me into thinking of learning JS and node (which then gives me both control over backend and frontend)
1605 2014-03-14 19:51:55 <wbaw> bash is great, for certain things, but i don't think writing a full bitcoin wallet in a bash script is sensible, there's no reason for it
1606 2014-03-14 19:52:07 <wbaw> and no way it could improve on anything
1607 2014-03-14 19:52:34 <freeroute> I know that, but I wanted to do that just for the sake of it and also to learn both the internals of BTC wallets and bash
1608 2014-03-14 19:52:41 <wbaw> php is nice, i don't know who told you that, must be some wp developer
1609 2014-03-14 19:52:47 <Apocalyptic> freeroute, JS is no better
1610 2014-03-14 19:52:58 <wbaw> js is worse really
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1612 2014-03-14 19:53:04 <Apocalyptic> also off-topic
1613 2014-03-14 19:53:14 <Apocalyptic> and no php isn't nice
1614 2014-03-14 19:53:22 <wbaw> we were talking about developing bitcoin stuff
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1616 2014-03-14 19:53:56 <wbaw> php has some ugly syntax inconsistencies, but apart from that it's good, for some simple things
1617 2014-03-14 19:54:19 <iaserrat> why not python?
1618 2014-03-14 19:54:21 <wbaw> like website frontends
1619 2014-03-14 19:54:40 <freeroute> wbaw: the people in ##security told me, and also shared this link - http://danuxx.blogspot.de/2013/03/unauthorized-access-bypassing-php-strcmp.html
1620 2014-03-14 19:55:16 <freeroute> oh and this, from the maker of PHP - https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Rasmus_Lerdorf
1621 2014-03-14 19:55:23 <Apocalyptic> wbaw, I believe this chan is meant to discuss developpement of the bitcoin protocol and bitcoin clients, not any dev you do that somehow relates to bitcoin
1622 2014-03-14 19:55:56 <Apocalyptic> iaserrat, yeah would definitely go for python instead of php
1623 2014-03-14 19:56:00 <wbaw> freeroute, that's just an example of bad programming
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1625 2014-03-14 19:56:15 <freeroute> Apocalyptic: what about languages which are absolutely not useful for clients?
1626 2014-03-14 19:56:42 <CheckDavid> Thanks venzen
1627 2014-03-14 19:56:43 <wbaw> Apocalyptic, we were discussing bitcoin clients
1628 2014-03-14 19:56:44 <Apocalyptic> well you can program a client in almost any language you want
1629 2014-03-14 19:57:00 <CheckDavid> dims: what do you think about this?
1630 2014-03-14 19:57:02 <CheckDavid> https://gist.github.com/shirriff/8e6b5650361bbe78a055#file-keyutils-py
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1635 2014-03-14 19:59:26 <wbaw> Apocalyptic, you can use any language you want, but it's easier to do a good job in some than in others
1636 2014-03-14 19:59:35 <Apocalyptic> indeed
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1638 2014-03-14 20:02:02 <dims> CheckDavid, one of the comments suggets os.urandom which this stack overflow post corraborates - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10341112/whats-more-random-hashlib-or-urandom
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1641 2014-03-14 20:03:25 <softwaremechanic> Man, a person leaves for lunch and the internet goes to hell
1642 2014-03-14 20:03:45 <CheckDavid> dims: content inside the code? I don't see it
1643 2014-03-14 20:04:01 <CheckDavid> I m here: https://gist.github.com/shirriff/8e6b5650361bbe78a055#file-keyutils-py
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1645 2014-03-14 20:04:44 <wbaw> # Warning: this random function is not cryptographically strong and is just for example
1646 2014-03-14 20:04:48 <wbaw> do not use that.
1647 2014-03-14 20:04:53 <dims> CheckDavid, the comment was on the prev page - http://www.righto.com/2014/02/bitcoins-hard-way-using-raw-bitcoin.html
1648 2014-03-14 20:05:24 <dims> "FYI that random number generator you are using for making the private keys in the very first gist is not secure enough for crypto. Electrum uses python ecdsa which uses os.urandom."
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1651 2014-03-14 20:06:44 <CheckDavid> dims: but is that not the code you mentioned?
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1653 2014-03-14 20:08:03 <dims> CheckDavid, yep on line 18 there is a usage of os.random, need to use os.urandom instead
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1658 2014-03-14 20:09:44 <CheckDavid> dims: you mean this ? random.randrange(16)
1659 2014-03-14 20:10:09 <CheckDavid> I don't see os.random
1660 2014-03-14 20:10:56 <wbaw> change that for os.urandom
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1662 2014-03-14 20:11:18 <wbaw>  os.urandom(n)
1663 2014-03-14 20:11:19 <wbaw>     Return a string of n random bytes suitable for cryptographic use.
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1668 2014-03-14 20:12:39 <Apocalyptic> even better would be to read from the /dev/random stream
1669 2014-03-14 20:12:48 <wbaw> looks like that whole line needs rewriting, but i didn't learn python yet
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1672 2014-03-14 20:13:26 <wbaw> Apocalyptic, not really, wouldn't work on windows then
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1674 2014-03-14 20:13:36 <wbaw> and it'd lock
1675 2014-03-14 20:13:42 <CheckDavid> wbaw: oh. Why are today bytes usable ?
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1677 2014-03-14 20:13:55 <Apocalyptic> wbaw, so windows does provide cryptographic random bytes now ?
1678 2014-03-14 20:13:56 <CheckDavid> Instead of the other function
1679 2014-03-14 20:14:13 <Apocalyptic> <wbaw> and it'd lock // for large chunks it would *block* yeah
1680 2014-03-14 20:14:13 <wbaw>  On a UNIX-like system this will query /dev/urandom, and on Windows it will use CryptGenRandom(). If a randomness source is not found, NotImplementedError will be raised.
1681 2014-03-14 20:14:24 <Apocalyptic> though for the bytes  needed for a bitcoin privkey it likely wouldn't
1682 2014-03-14 20:14:49 <wbaw> allegedly cryptographic secure random bytes, wouldn't trust them myself, but
1683 2014-03-14 20:15:03 <wbaw> best you can get on windows
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1685 2014-03-14 20:15:15 <Apocalyptic> note that /dev/urandom is weaker than /dev/random in terms of entropy, as the former is only partially seeded with the latter
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1687 2014-03-14 20:15:40 <wbaw> that's not the reason
1688 2014-03-14 20:15:47 <Apocalyptic> the reason for ?
1689 2014-03-14 20:16:18 <Apocalyptic> wasn't explaining anything, just making a note
1690 2014-03-14 20:16:20 <freeroute> Apocalyptic: have you read this? - http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom/
1691 2014-03-14 20:16:20 <wbaw> urandom is only really less secure because it will keep outputting random bytes for a long time after no entropy has been added to the pool
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1693 2014-03-14 20:16:42 <Apocalyptic> that's another way to say it
1694 2014-03-14 20:16:45 <wbaw> in normal situations it's just as secure
1695 2014-03-14 20:17:01 <wbaw> it's just because it doesn't lock
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1697 2014-03-14 20:17:11 <CheckDavid> Comparing to what?
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1699 2014-03-14 20:17:31 <wbaw> dev/random on linux
1700 2014-03-14 20:18:13 <CheckDavid> I see
1701 2014-03-14 20:18:15 <wbaw> it can even be considered more secure because it's less wasteful, as long as there's some entropy
1702 2014-03-14 20:18:24 <CheckDavid> I used Linux
1703 2014-03-14 20:18:30 <CheckDavid> But now I am on android
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1706 2014-03-14 20:18:45 <wbaw> in python you should use python functions where you can, CheckDavid
1707 2014-03-14 20:19:29 <wbaw> was just explaining there's no reason good to do what Apocalyptic was suggesting
1708 2014-03-14 20:19:32 <Apocalyptic> wbaw, wait, you're saying "it's secure because it doesn't lock"
1709 2014-03-14 20:19:49 <wbaw> no, i'm saying it's more secure because it uses less entropy
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1711 2014-03-14 20:20:00 <wbaw> but it's less secure because it doesn't lock
1712 2014-03-14 20:20:06 <Apocalyptic> "<wbaw> no, i'm saying it's more secure because it uses less entropy" // ok i will keep that one
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1715 2014-03-14 20:20:29 <wbaw> there's only a limited amount of entropy available on any system
1716 2014-03-14 20:20:36 <Apocalyptic> no shit
1717 2014-03-14 20:20:38 <wbaw> urandom is effective at stretching it
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1719 2014-03-14 20:20:44 <Apocalyptic> i know all that
1720 2014-03-14 20:20:58 <wbaw> good, then save that quote to remind you
1721 2014-03-14 20:21:35 <Apocalyptic> ... you actually figured out that quote make you sound silly ?
1722 2014-03-14 20:22:09 <wbaw> find me an attack on urandom that doesn't involve starving it of entropy?
1723 2014-03-14 20:22:37 <Apocalyptic> how is that related ?
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1725 2014-03-14 20:22:51 <wbaw> it's been in use for how many years now & no serious attacks, so what does that make it?
1726 2014-03-14 20:23:05 <CheckDavid> dims: that code is getting weird to me
1727 2014-03-14 20:23:06 <Apocalyptic> i'm not saying it's not secure or anything
1728 2014-03-14 20:23:12 <CheckDavid> It imports from itself
1729 2014-03-14 20:23:30 <wbaw> if you drain too much entropy from /dev/random for no good reason it makes the rest of the system less secure
1730 2014-03-14 20:23:34 <CheckDavid> Or calls functions from itself in a weird way
1731 2014-03-14 20:23:39 <Apocalyptic> just that if i was on a linux system and have a choice between the two I would definitely use /dev/random to generate the private exponent
1732 2014-03-14 20:23:40 <CheckDavid> It just doesn't run
1733 2014-03-14 20:23:51 <Apocalyptic> wbaw, I don't care about the rest of the system
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1735 2014-03-14 20:24:10 <ewust> wbaw: there's an issue of /dev/urandom giving data before any entropy has been seeded (e.g. right after boot)
1736 2014-03-14 20:24:14 <Apocalyptic> in our scheme we're only interested in the key we generate
1737 2014-03-14 20:24:27 <Apocalyptic> next thing you're gonna include some timing side channels on the CPU...
1738 2014-03-14 20:24:43 <Apocalyptic> ewust, yeah, and that's just an exemple
1739 2014-03-14 20:25:06 <dims> CheckDavid, looks like it's part of a bit more larger code base that the blog author wrote
1740 2014-03-14 20:25:06 <wbaw> an example of an entropy starved situation
1741 2014-03-14 20:25:09 <dims> CheckDavid, https://github.com/gferrin/bitcoin-code
1742 2014-03-14 20:25:26 <wbaw> if you tried using /dev/random in that situation your system would hang waiting
1743 2014-03-14 20:25:36 <CheckDavid> Oh I see dims
1744 2014-03-14 20:25:44 <ewust> Apocalyptic: you should use /dev/urandom in almost all cases
1745 2014-03-14 20:25:50 <wbaw> why would you do new private keys before the os has booted anyway?
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1747 2014-03-14 20:26:27 <ewust> embedded systems may be at risk at first boot, but there are fixes to make this "better" in kernel > 3.5
1748 2014-03-14 20:26:30 <wbaw> thanks, ewust
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1751 2014-03-14 20:29:46 <ewust> wbaw: the trouble is that before the os has booted != before the os has rolled entropy into urandom pool, and that time can be (before kernel fixes) hundreds of seconds into the boot on old kernels without keyboards/mice
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1754 2014-03-14 20:30:50 <wbaw> it saves a seed & reloads it on boot in most linuxes i've seen
1755 2014-03-14 20:31:56 <ewust> that's true, but what if you generate keys on first boot (ssh, tls self-signed cert, etc)
1756 2014-03-14 20:32:01 <wbaw> i think urandom should lock sometimes when there's no entropy, but i'm not a kernel developer
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1758 2014-03-14 20:32:16 <Apocalyptic> wbaw, it won't afaik
1759 2014-03-14 20:32:27 <wbaw> i know it wont
1760 2014-03-14 20:32:34 <wbaw> i'm saying maybe it should
1761 2014-03-14 20:32:47 <ewust> that's something we argued to them when we found a bunch of embedded systems with duplicate rsa/dsa keys (as well as remotely factorable rsa keys)
1762 2014-03-14 20:32:54 <wbaw> but i haven't submitted a patch & had it accepted
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1764 2014-03-14 20:33:15 <ewust> they did not agree, and instead opted for including more entropy at a faster rate early on in boot
1765 2014-03-14 20:33:29 <Apocalyptic> if you want to be sure you get random bytes from newly available entropy just use /dev/random
1766 2014-03-14 20:33:51 <wbaw> Apocalyptic, that is the wrong way to do it
1767 2014-03-14 20:34:00 <wbaw> in almost all situations
1768 2014-03-14 20:34:05 <Apocalyptic> and you still haven't made a single argument to convince me
1769 2014-03-14 20:34:08 <wbaw> but particularly in python
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1771 2014-03-14 20:34:15 <Apocalyptic> maybe in almost yeah
1772 2014-03-14 20:34:20 <wbaw> it's wasteful, that's the argument
1773 2014-03-14 20:34:35 <ewust> Apocalyptic: after first boot, /dev/urandom and /dev/random are equivalent, except that /dev/random will be extremely slow
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1775 2014-03-14 20:34:43 <Apocalyptic> generating a private key exponent for the ECDSA key is not one of them
1776 2014-03-14 20:35:08 <Apocalyptic> ewust, you're assuming a lot of thing in that sentence
1777 2014-03-14 20:35:12 <Apocalyptic> *things
1778 2014-03-14 20:36:23 <wbaw> in cases where /dev/random produces something /dev/urandom is just as unpredictable & uses less system entropy
1779 2014-03-14 20:37:11 <Apocalyptic> that's just assumed
1780 2014-03-14 20:37:41 <wbaw> predict /dev/urandom when /dev/random isn't dry then
1781 2014-03-14 20:37:44 <Apocalyptic> because somehow you assume the cryptographic function that extends the entropy pool in /dev/urandom is undistinguishable from a uniform random output
1782 2014-03-14 20:37:55 <ewust> the "unstated assumption" is that SHA1 is a good PRNG
1783 2014-03-14 20:38:00 <Apocalyptic> i'm not saying I can do it
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1785 2014-03-14 20:38:07 <Apocalyptic> but that doesn't mean it cannot be done
1786 2014-03-14 20:38:27 <Apocalyptic> <ewust> the "unstated assumption" is that SHA1 is a good PRNG // oh are they really using SHA1 ?
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1788 2014-03-14 20:38:38 <ewust> Apocalyptic: /dev/random and /dev/urandom use the SAME PRNG
1789 2014-03-14 20:38:49 <dims> CheckDavid, copied bits and pieces and replaced random with urandom - https://gist.github.com/dims/5000f40c539b6eac914f
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1791 2014-03-14 20:39:25 <wbaw> Apocalyptic, you haven't read the code then?
1792 2014-03-14 20:39:35 <Apocalyptic> not thoroughly no
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1795 2014-03-14 20:40:20 <ewust> Apocalyptic: they both use sha1
1796 2014-03-14 20:40:28 <ewust> the difference between urandom and random is merely accounting
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1799 2014-03-14 20:41:02 <Apocalyptic> i somehow assumed /dev/random was delivering the raw entropy pool
1800 2014-03-14 20:41:08 <ewust> it is not
1801 2014-03-14 20:41:10 <wbaw> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/char/random.c
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1803 2014-03-14 20:41:14 <Apocalyptic> then I stand correcred
1804 2014-03-14 20:41:18 <Apocalyptic> *corrected
1805 2014-03-14 20:41:35 <ewust> the "raw entropy pool" itself is seeded with a bunch of stuff that isn't uniform
1806 2014-03-14 20:42:08 <ewust> e.g. timestamps of key presses, but they don't just take the "unpredictable" bits of the timestamp (because, which ones are unpredictable?)
1807 2014-03-14 20:42:10 <wbaw> and also, the os.urandom function on python only uses urandom on linux, it uses whatever the best entropy source is on that system's os
1808 2014-03-14 20:42:24 <ewust> it hashes the whole timestamp into the input pool, and then increments the internal accounting a single bit
1809 2014-03-14 20:43:27 <wbaw> so it works on windows too & possibly other python running operating systems
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1813 2014-03-14 20:44:47 <Apocalyptic> thanks ewust
1814 2014-03-14 20:44:55 <wbaw> so if you're writing something in python that needs a csprng use os.urandom
1815 2014-03-14 20:44:56 <Apocalyptic> makes more sense now
1816 2014-03-14 20:45:37 <wbaw> rather than the not at all secure random number generator in python
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1820 2014-03-14 20:45:46 <Apocalyptic> wbaw, sure, i was arguing purely from a linux and non-python perspective earlier
1821 2014-03-14 20:46:09 <wbaw> against checkdavid's python code example
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1823 2014-03-14 20:48:09 <wbaw> i should really learn more python, i just pick bits up from reading code
1824 2014-03-14 20:49:24 <Apocalyptic> yeah, that's a handy language to master
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1826 2014-03-14 20:49:39 <wbaw> i'm still fighting with c & php at the moment, but python does seem quite elegant
1827 2014-03-14 20:50:20 <wbaw> looks like it'd be easy to get started in a couple of days too
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1830 2014-03-14 20:54:32 <wbaw> i keep looking at haskell too
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1832 2014-03-14 20:55:11 <Apocalyptic> Haskell looks very appealing yeah
1833 2014-03-14 20:55:16 <Apocalyptic> neat syntax
1834 2014-03-14 20:55:41 <wbaw> there's some bitcoin stuff here: https://github.com/plaprade/haskoin
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1870 2014-03-14 21:20:59 <CheckDavid> dims: I think the link you shared with me is awesome to learn about bitcoun in general. Taking a practical approach and getting my hands dirty
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1872 2014-03-14 21:21:11 <CheckDavid> http://www.righto.com/2014/02/bitcoins-hard-way-using-raw-bitcoin.html?m=1
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1883 2014-03-14 21:29:50 <wbaw> CheckDavid, there's this python wallet: https://github.com/richardkiss/pycoin
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1886 2014-03-14 21:31:02 <CheckDavid> wbaw: I'm very noob
1887 2014-03-14 21:31:21 <CheckDavid> Need to learn with very basic stuff
1888 2014-03-14 21:31:52 <wbaw> it is basic, but doesn't look like he's done a really bad job
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1894 2014-03-14 21:34:00 <CheckDavid> I never developed an app
1895 2014-03-14 21:34:09 <CheckDavid> Only scripted a bit
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1897 2014-03-14 21:34:29 <daybyter> Look at phonegap.
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1900 2014-03-14 21:34:35 <wbaw> same thing really, just scale
1901 2014-03-14 21:34:43 <daybyter> You can write an app as a website.
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1903 2014-03-14 21:36:18 <wbaw> and when somebody else has already done a good app, released it as open source under a bsd style license
1904 2014-03-14 21:36:27 <CheckDavid> I know daybyter
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1906 2014-03-14 21:36:43 <wbaw> there's not much reason to redo it, you could just add to what they've done
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1908 2014-03-14 21:37:15 <wbaw> unless you can find a better way of doing it
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2006 2014-03-14 22:35:24 <CheckDavid> wbaw: I get your point
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2026 2014-03-14 22:53:21 <Imbue> hello. i have a question which is possibly OT, feel free to pitchfork me if so
2027 2014-03-14 22:53:59 <Imbue> i am not familiar with github; is there a way to verify downloaded source tarballs from the bitcoin releases?
2028 2014-03-14 22:54:57 <Imbue> i can find signatures for binaries but not for source
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2030 2014-03-14 22:55:09 <wbaw> if you use git you don't need tarballs & it has automatic verification
2031 2014-03-14 22:55:45 <Imbue> using the github site as opposed to client
2032 2014-03-14 22:55:56 <Imbue> so using the client I can grab a release and it will be verified?
2033 2014-03-14 22:56:27 <wbaw> yes, you can grab all the source code
2034 2014-03-14 22:56:35 <wbaw> and it's all verified
2035 2014-03-14 22:56:54 <wbaw> if you use git
2036 2014-03-14 22:57:14 <wbaw> it's a version control system, like cvs or svn, but better
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2042 2014-03-14 22:59:12 <wbaw> if you clone the repo with git it'll get the latest source
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2045 2014-03-14 22:59:47 <wbaw> you can roll that back to certain releases, or even down to certain patches
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2048 2014-03-14 23:00:31 <Imbue> forgive me if this is demonstrating naivety about how git works; am i correct in thinking 0.9.0rc3 is simply the 0.9.0 branch at a certain commit?
2049 2014-03-14 23:00:39 <sipa> correct
2050 2014-03-14 23:00:41 <Imbue> or well
2051 2014-03-14 23:00:44 <Imbue> okay
2052 2014-03-14 23:00:59 <sipa> branches are just tags that are automatically updates when a commit is added to them
2053 2014-03-14 23:01:02 <Imbue> ah I see now. on the releases page it is stated. so i can pull this and compile it and there is my rc3.
2054 2014-03-14 23:01:07 <sipa> while tags are statis, and typically signed
2055 2014-03-14 23:01:14 <sipa> indeed
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2072 2014-03-14 23:12:18 <melik> privet everyone!
2073 2014-03-14 23:13:42 <sipa> ?
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2076 2014-03-14 23:15:13 <gmaxwell> LOLOL
2077 2014-03-14 23:15:14 <melik> just saying hello
2078 2014-03-14 23:15:20 <gmaxwell> wumpus: <3
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2080 2014-03-14 23:16:13 <sipa> gmaxwell: just chekcing pullreqs?
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2085 2014-03-14 23:17:37 <Imbue> ah, very cool.
2086 2014-03-14 23:18:11 <Imbue> so the 'd6e0e167-beta' is the first part of commit hash.
2087 2014-03-14 23:18:23 <Imbue> this way i can check i have actually gotten/compiled the right thing. :)
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2090 2014-03-14 23:18:41 <sipa> the -beta is just added because all bitcoin software is beta
2091 2014-03-14 23:19:06 <Imbue> yes, i know that
2092 2014-03-14 23:19:21 <sipa> ok!
2093 2014-03-14 23:19:33 <Imbue> sorry, was not meant to seem aggressive
2094 2014-03-14 23:19:35 <Imbue> hehe
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2099 2014-03-14 23:21:38 <dhill> gmaxwell: any word on #3848?
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2101 2014-03-14 23:22:11 <Imbue> i feel disappointed that I did not discover git before
2102 2014-03-14 23:22:23 <Imbue> trawling through commits is much more understandable to me than I expected
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