1 2014-03-18 00:00:06 <kadoban> dnathe4th: yes, but you don't care about that part, just decode the rest and ignore the checksum part
2 2014-03-18 00:00:10 <justanotheruser> Also remove the version
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4 2014-03-18 00:00:51 <justanotheruser> dnathe4th: there is a checksum in that address. It's the "f59kuE" in 1BitcoinEaterAddressDontSendf59kuE
5 2014-03-18 00:00:51 <dnathe4th> kadoban: i'm not sure that's how math works ...
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7 2014-03-18 00:01:11 <justanotheruser> Or at least part of the f59kuE is the checksum
8 2014-03-18 00:01:27 <kadoban> dnathe4th: it's how base58 encoding works, unless i'm ridiculously confused
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15 2014-03-18 00:04:18 <dnathe4th> kadoban: how can you just arbitrarily truncate characters off the right end and expect the base58 decoding to result in the same bytes (albeit also truncated), unless I am confused
16 2014-03-18 00:05:31 <gmaxwell> petertodd: http://0bin.net/paste/avMPb2XvTDNid2zr#vK6LPkvNauP7RGCrCmsd6Ek04W4hpNn3R16kxjuoRbE= okay, so 25 lines, untested (not even complied) and without the safe deployment code.
17 2014-03-18 00:05:54 <Luke-Jr> what is this in EvalScript for? CAutoBN_CTX pctx;
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19 2014-03-18 00:06:31 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: I assume its the memory for a bignum. (the bignum implementation needs a context, I presume. I don't recall that)
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21 2014-03-18 00:07:14 <sipa> Luke-Jr: openssl provides some optimized memory allocation
22 2014-03-18 00:07:27 <Luke-Jr> but pctx is unused..
23 2014-03-18 00:07:35 <sipa> wut?
24 2014-03-18 00:07:55 <kadoban> dnathe4th: there's probably some funniness about the last character, that'd be the only issue
25 2014-03-18 00:07:56 <Luke-Jr> commenting it out seems to compile at least
26 2014-03-18 00:08:06 <Luke-Jr> and I see no references to pctx
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28 2014-03-18 00:08:26 <sipa> Luke-Jr: my guess is that only OP_MUL, OP_DIV and OP_MOD used it
29 2014-03-18 00:08:37 <sipa> which have been deleted
30 2014-03-18 00:08:41 <sipa> so let's get rid of it
31 2014-03-18 00:09:07 <sipa> now if only we
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34 2014-03-18 00:09:25 <sipa> 'd replace the b58 implementation to not use bignum, we could remove that class entirely
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36 2014-03-18 00:09:46 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: don't use have a b58 implementation that isn't goofy?
37 2014-03-18 00:10:04 <midnightmagic> in his libblkmaker, yeah
38 2014-03-18 00:10:26 <sipa> there was a really simple neat one that avoid all temporary bignums entirely
39 2014-03-18 00:10:45 <gmaxwell> yea, no need to use bignums for this.
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53 2014-03-18 00:16:29 <petertodd> gmaxwell: one issue there is you have to figure out how you'll deal with nLockTime as time vs. nLockTime as block height
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55 2014-03-18 00:17:06 <petertodd> gmaxwell: e.g. right now I could want a time-based nLockTime, and then you'd trivially satisfy it with block-height-based
56 2014-03-18 00:17:18 <gmaxwell> petertodd: ::nods:: demo code. :P
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59 2014-03-18 00:18:12 <gmaxwell> the obvious thing to do is to just use the LOCKTIME_THRESHOLD to classify both numbers.
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61 2014-03-18 00:18:21 <sipa> gmaxwell: you use the name nlocktime, but you don't really use it as a lock time - more like a maturity time, right?
62 2014-03-18 00:18:21 <petertodd> gmaxwell: yup
63 2014-03-18 00:18:27 <sipa> just with the same semantics as nLocktime
64 2014-03-18 00:18:39 <petertodd> gmaxwell: also, I wonder if CastToBigNum().getuint() exists/is used anywhere else?
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67 2014-03-18 00:19:07 <gmaxwell> sipa: Yes, you could look at it that way. It's implemented as a constraint on the consuming tx's nlocktime.
68 2014-03-18 00:19:16 <sipa> gmaxwell: ok, that was my confusion
69 2014-03-18 00:19:22 <petertodd> gmaxwell: ...and looks like the answere to that is it exists, not used anywhere else
70 2014-03-18 00:19:37 <sipa> gmaxwell: then we were probably talking about the same thing (i haven't looked at your proposal in dtail)
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72 2014-03-18 00:19:43 <lorenzoasr> hi, do you know a library in php that help me to create non-standard transaction with custom scriptpubkey ?
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74 2014-03-18 00:20:12 <gmaxwell> sipa: well now I posted code, so we can avoid an impedance mismatch. It's not totally complete as petertodd notes wrt block vs time nlocktime.
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80 2014-03-18 00:22:21 <petertodd> gmaxwell: oh, and re: deployement, perfect example of another type of SCRIPT_VERIFY flag, like my checkmultisig mutability pull-req suggested
81 2014-03-18 00:22:24 <rasmuzen> sipa: hey, I've been thinking about the rewind data you'd need to handle a fork
82 2014-03-18 00:22:49 <gmaxwell> petertodd: yea, thought of that too. just wrap that entire opcode with that flag check. :)
83 2014-03-18 00:23:30 <petertodd> gmaxwell: yup
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89 2014-03-18 00:26:12 <sipa> rasmuzen: ok?
90 2014-03-18 00:26:27 <rasmuzen> sipa: I have a few questions :D
91 2014-03-18 00:26:33 <sipa> shoot
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93 2014-03-18 00:26:57 <heipa> ok now I read more and see that I realise it now so good
94 2014-03-18 00:27:01 <rasmuzen> sipa: so basically you'll be requesting blocks and doing the hash calculations to make sure everything lines up
95 2014-03-18 00:27:21 <heipa> petertodd: is it ok to ask here about extra btc anon possibilities code wise?
96 2014-03-18 00:27:32 <rasmuzen> sipa: then at some point it won't add up and that's because a block in your local chain isn't actual in the longest chain?
97 2014-03-18 00:27:33 <petertodd> heipa: sure
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99 2014-03-18 00:27:50 <rasmuzen> sipa: and that's how you'd detect a fork? assuming the chain you're requesting is longer than the chain you have locally?
100 2014-03-18 00:28:25 <sipa> rasmuzen: you have to understand the distinction between the block tree and the block chain
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102 2014-03-18 00:28:39 <sipa> rasmuzen: internally, from all blocks downloaded, internally a block tree is built
103 2014-03-18 00:28:48 <heipa> petertodd: well I read a bit paper by I think zerocoin claiming their solution can add level of anonimity to btc, I wonder who tried it?
104 2014-03-18 00:28:49 <sipa> rasmuzen: by knowing the parent of each block
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106 2014-03-18 00:29:01 <heipa> or at least maybe there was some forum topic about it?
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108 2014-03-18 00:29:28 <petertodd> heipa: they released code for their old version, which was really slow, and haven't (AFAIK) released code for their new version
109 2014-03-18 00:29:34 <rasmuzen> sipa: block tree == merkle tree?
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111 2014-03-18 00:29:45 <sipa> rasmuzen: no
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113 2014-03-18 00:30:02 <heipa> petertodd: from your understanding of their paper is this something worth studying?
114 2014-03-18 00:30:08 <heipa> or not? :)
115 2014-03-18 00:30:32 <petertodd> heipa: I talked to Ian at the fincrypto conf the other week a lot about zerocoin - it's legit research and a very good idea
116 2014-03-18 00:30:35 <sipa> rasmuzen: the merkle tree is for organizing transactions within a block
117 2014-03-18 00:30:43 <rasmuzen> sipa: i see, i was imagining a linked list of blocks, where you can tell block B is block A's next based on some hashes, is this wrong?
118 2014-03-18 00:30:54 <petertodd> heipa: also, it's easy to implement on top of bitcoin as something akin to a colored coin
119 2014-03-18 00:30:56 <sipa> rasmuzen: you're missing some very basic stuff
120 2014-03-18 00:31:06 <sipa> rasmuzen: look up the data structure of blocks first place
121 2014-03-18 00:31:16 <heipa> petertodd: Oooooo nice!
122 2014-03-18 00:31:39 <heipa> so that means implementation can be done with 0 hard fork?
123 2014-03-18 00:31:41 <petertodd> heipa: nice thing about that is you can easily build a decentralized exchange of zerocoin<->btc to convert to and from
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125 2014-03-18 00:31:52 <petertodd> heipa: correct, and for that matter, without any miner support at all.
126 2014-03-18 00:32:05 <heipa> wow and no one done it yet? :)
127 2014-03-18 00:32:10 <petertodd> heipa: indeed, it's actually non-trival to *stop* someone from doing that...
128 2014-03-18 00:32:20 <petertodd> heipa: well, they haven't released code yet
129 2014-03-18 00:32:37 <heipa> petertodd: so its like ripple but open source and somehow way more anon?
130 2014-03-18 00:32:55 <petertodd> heipa: no, entirely unlike ripple. More like mastercoin actually, in terms of technical architecture
131 2014-03-18 00:32:57 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: define goofy
132 2014-03-18 00:33:25 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: also, it only parses b58, doesn't create it
133 2014-03-18 00:33:28 <heipa> petertodd: oki and what do u mean by decentralised exchange how would that work in theory?
134 2014-03-18 00:33:34 <heipa> or maybe some howto online
135 2014-03-18 00:33:40 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: doesn't need a multiprecision integer implementation.
136 2014-03-18 00:33:51 <gmaxwell> e.g. does the carry handling with a counter.
137 2014-03-18 00:33:57 <Luke-Jr> heipa: note zerocoin requires a trusted third party
138 2014-03-18 00:34:13 <petertodd> heipa: http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg03892.html
139 2014-03-18 00:34:27 <heipa> Luke-Jr: thats what i was thinking if it could be 100% decentralised that would be something
140 2014-03-18 00:34:46 <petertodd> heipa, Luke-Jr: which is one of the reasons I suggested doing it as an embedded consensus system - makes it easy to have multiple zerocoin accumulators each initialized by separate groups
141 2014-03-18 00:35:10 <Luke-Jr> https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/libblkmaker/source/eb33f9c8e441ffef457a79d76ceed1ea20ab3059:base58.c
142 2014-03-18 00:35:11 <petertodd> heipa: zerocoin requires a trusted third party at setup, but only the one time - after the setup phase it is trustless
143 2014-03-18 00:35:12 <rasmuzen> sipa: will do, thanks
144 2014-03-18 00:35:27 <gmaxwell> petertodd: the efficiency becomes garbage but you could also do the dual-snark solution to strengthen that kind of thing.
145 2014-03-18 00:35:38 <Luke-Jr> petertodd: that trust is ongoing, though
146 2014-03-18 00:35:50 <gmaxwell> (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=516531.0)
147 2014-03-18 00:35:54 <Luke-Jr> even after setup, that third party can still fabricate more coins
148 2014-03-18 00:36:32 <heipa> what if 1 color coin is token of ownership
149 2014-03-18 00:36:36 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: I mean, the trust is that they do the setup honestly and delete the secret keys, if they do that, then there is no further trust issues
150 2014-03-18 00:36:44 <heipa> but how to verify it decentralising way
151 2014-03-18 00:37:12 <petertodd> heipa: you've got a lot to learn... explanations at that level are OT here
152 2014-03-18 00:37:26 <heipa> np I have some friends to ask :)
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156 2014-03-18 00:40:23 <heipa> petertodd: apart me asking friends any idea which online courses that can help to understand this more? some cryptography courses?
157 2014-03-18 00:40:25 <gmaxwell> petertodd: another possibility on the nlocktime thing is do the test as an equals test, and have the scriptsig provide the nlocktime redundantly and then the script can test it with arithmetic operations and then do the equals test. But I think that results in larger signatures for no real gain.
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160 2014-03-18 00:42:29 <petertodd> gmaxwell: hmm, that's an interesting concept actually - you could make all this stuff soft-forking by having it provided in the scriptSig, then testing with a *VERIFY that the provided value was correct
161 2014-03-18 00:43:28 <gmaxwell> yes. it's an idea which basically follows from the idea the script is not execution but is just verifying a witness of execution.
162 2014-03-18 00:43:35 <petertodd> absolutely
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166 2014-03-18 00:45:22 <petertodd> basically at the beginning of the script you can have a section that does something like OP_CHECKNLOCKTIMEVERIFY OP_TOALTSTACK OP_CHECKPREVBLOCKHASHVERIFY OP_TOALTSTACK (or not altstack if your script is structured in the right way)
167 2014-03-18 00:45:37 <petertodd> easy to create stuff that's not trivial to be safe in reorgs though obviously
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170 2014-03-18 00:46:27 <petertodd> oh, and a fun one: OP_CHECK_IS_A_BLOCK_HASH, which only has access to blockhashes older than x blocks
171 2014-03-18 00:46:37 <petertodd> s/$/verify/
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173 2014-03-18 00:47:31 <sipa> OP_RANDOM
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175 2014-03-18 00:48:08 <petertodd> what's interesting there, is the fact that it's a set test, means you can satisfy any scriptPubKey by chosing the right hash to provide, and modulo really big reorgs, in the future the set of all block hashes will always contain the magic one needed to satisfy the scriptPubKey
176 2014-03-18 00:48:32 <petertodd> hence, it's actually arguably as reorg safe as any coinbase transaction!
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178 2014-03-18 00:49:10 <petertodd> gmaxwell: especially fun how your CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY automatically has that structure and usage possibilities
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181 2014-03-18 00:50:14 <petertodd> e.g. the somewhat contrived scriptPubKey: CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY HASH <hash> EQUALVERIFY
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185 2014-03-18 00:50:53 <petertodd> "It's locked, but I can't trivially find out for how long!"
186 2014-03-18 00:52:14 <gmaxwell> without a substr you can just test all values, alas.
187 2014-03-18 00:52:17 * sipa still favors using the name "maturity" over "locktime", as it's exactly the same semantics as implicitly present in coinbases (though relative instead of absolute)
188 2014-03-18 00:52:28 <petertodd> gmaxwell: yes, that was a very weak version of trivially :)
189 2014-03-18 00:52:57 <petertodd> sipa: note that gmaxwell's version does compare to locktime though, so we should still call it that
190 2014-03-18 00:53:07 <gmaxwell> sipa: I will attempt to convince you otherwise at dinner.
191 2014-03-18 00:53:38 <gmaxwell> (or attempt to be convinced otherwise, alternatively)
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193 2014-03-18 00:54:01 <petertodd> it's a pity satoshi screwed up CODESEPARATOR - we could have added a whole slew of soft-fork *VERIFY things to check any aspect of a transaction within a scriptSig
194 2014-03-18 00:54:11 <gmaxwell> annoyingly I can see an argument for both ways, there are uscases where one or the other is helpful.
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209 2014-03-18 00:59:44 <sipa> gmaxwell: maybe i should read proposals before commenting on them
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214 2014-03-18 01:02:58 <petertodd> ok, so here's a soft-forked OP_ADD re-enablement: n1 n2 expected_result OP_NEW_ADD OP_SWAP OP_DROP OP_SWAP OP_DROP
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216 2014-03-18 01:03:35 <petertodd> oh, actually, OP_NEW_ADD OP_NIP OP_NIP
217 2014-03-18 01:04:19 <petertodd> then add a new CHECKSIG using the same thing with a crazy SignatureHash() that drops all the expected_results...
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220 2014-03-18 01:05:44 <petertodd> probably better to stick to OP_MAST_EVAL, but kinda crazy that that works
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222 2014-03-18 01:06:19 <gmaxwell> I don't think it's crazy at all. It's exactly how tinyram execution is simplified via the non-determinstic inputs.
223 2014-03-18 01:06:48 <petertodd> sure, obvious parallels there -
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226 2014-03-18 01:07:31 <melik> is the coinbase value always unique?
227 2014-03-18 01:07:32 <petertodd> incidentally, an interesting question re: OP_MAST_EVAL is if you'd want the stack state to be hashed and then signed - might help catch consensus issues faster
228 2014-03-18 01:07:36 <petertodd> melik: yes
229 2014-03-18 01:07:45 <melik> petertodd, what is the significance of it?
230 2014-03-18 01:07:55 <petertodd> melik: means txids are always unique
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235 2014-03-18 01:09:02 <melik> petertodd, "coinbase" : "04ffff001d02fd04",
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237 2014-03-18 01:09:10 <melik> you're referring to this correct ^
238 2014-03-18 01:09:32 <petertodd> melik: read this: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0034.mediawiki
239 2014-03-18 01:09:35 <petertodd> bbl
240 2014-03-18 01:09:40 <melik> thank you petertodd
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315 2014-03-18 01:45:38 <jtimon> ok, gmaxwell so instead of checking the current height, op_maturity (I'll stick to that name for now, if anything, because it's faster to write) checks the nlocktime of the consuming tx
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319 2014-03-18 01:46:20 <jtimon> not sure what the less-secure alternatives are though
320 2014-03-18 01:46:37 <maaku> gmaxwell sipa: please tell us which of you convinced the other ;)
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323 2014-03-18 01:47:21 <jtimon> hehe, yeah
324 2014-03-18 01:49:08 <maaku> jtimon: well either way would be the same in terms of reorg-compatability as far as I can tell
325 2014-03-18 01:49:37 <maaku> so long as you fail if the tx's height/lock-time is less than some threshold
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327 2014-03-18 01:50:45 <jtimon> mhmm I think you will need to set an nlock greater than the value in the script in tx1 for tx2 to be valid
328 2014-03-18 01:51:19 <jtimon> and I think the discussion will be about the name
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331 2014-03-18 01:57:59 <maaku> jtimon: yes, it passes if greater than, and fails if less than
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333 2014-03-18 01:58:19 <maaku> and op_maturity_verify is better imho, but that's for #bitcoin-bikeshedding
334 2014-03-18 01:58:32 <jgarzik> http://bitzuma.com/posts/five-ways-to-lose-money-with-bitcoin-change-addresses/
335 2014-03-18 01:58:34 <jgarzik> Not bad!
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342 2014-03-18 02:00:32 <jtimon> maaku, actually I think gmaxwell is the one bikeshedding since we've been using op_maturity before
343 2014-03-18 02:00:59 <petertodd> jtimon: AFAIK I'm the first person to propose that op, and i called it CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY :P
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348 2014-03-18 02:02:36 <jtimon> I though I was the one who proposed it, but if you had proposed it earlier than apporximately 2 weeks in the past, it was definitely you and I just changed the name by being unaware of your proposal
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350 2014-03-18 02:03:29 <petertodd> jtimon: I proposed it last august
351 2014-03-18 02:03:39 <petertodd> #bitcoin-dev/13/08/13-08-29.log:22:53 < petertodd> gavinandresen: Oh, reminds me, I did a OP_CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY implementation redefining OP_NOP1. Copies locktime off the stack, compares it with the IsFinal() algorithm against the block including the spend tx, and fails the script if locktime not reached. Also uses IsMajority with nVersion=3 to enable the behavior.
352 2014-03-18 02:03:55 <jtimon> petertodd why didn't you suggested it as a replacement for expiry-ish proposals when I made them? I'm not 100% yet, but i believe any expiry use case can be replaced with this
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354 2014-03-18 02:04:20 <petertodd> jtimon: because I'm not omniscient and can't read everything :P
355 2014-03-18 02:04:21 <jtimon> yes, I believe you, bitcoin's reinvention rate is ashtonishing
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357 2014-03-18 02:04:57 <jtimon> we discussed expiry recently on your post about proof of publication markets
358 2014-03-18 02:05:04 <petertodd> heh, you mean its "well, either we're all smart or all idiots" rate...
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360 2014-03-18 02:05:34 <petertodd> jtimon: oh, yeah, I didn't get a chance to read all of that conversation in as much detail as I should have
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362 2014-03-18 02:06:20 <maaku> only certain nExpiry applications are solved by this
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364 2014-03-18 02:06:42 <maaku> sometimes you want the semantics to be "invalidate the transaction if it doesn't get in by this block"
365 2014-03-18 02:06:59 <maaku> e.g. orders
366 2014-03-18 02:07:09 <jtimon> if I knew it earlier, I would have tried to avoid expiries on freimarkets options and expiry timestamps
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368 2014-03-18 02:07:25 <maaku> yeah it might solve options
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371 2014-03-18 02:08:17 <jtimon> well, expiry avoids bloating the chain, but functionality wise, you can build something equivalent
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374 2014-03-18 02:09:04 <jtimon> you may be able to also avoid the bloat with some game theory
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376 2014-03-18 02:09:14 <maaku> having to double-spend every time you expire a price is a huge deal
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378 2014-03-18 02:10:12 <jtimon> you can build the order in a way that doesn't make sense for anyone to include it (unless they want to give you money for free or something)
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380 2014-03-18 02:10:48 <jtimon> I'm mostly talking intuitively, but I think it can be solved
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383 2014-03-18 02:11:28 <maaku> jtimon: I want to support hundreds, maybe thousands of unfilled order per every filled order
384 2014-03-18 02:11:45 <maaku> and those never have to hit the block chain
385 2014-03-18 02:11:55 <jtimon> I know
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390 2014-03-18 02:13:49 <jtimon> what I'm saying is you could build the transaction such as
391 2014-03-18 02:13:49 <jtimon> if expiry:
392 2014-03-18 02:13:49 <jtimon> the payer gives me money for free
393 2014-03-18 02:13:49 <jtimon> else:
394 2014-03-18 02:13:51 <jtimon> the payer fills the order normally
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397 2014-03-18 02:14:32 <jtimon> they can only make you recreate all the orders only by giving you money for free, not a huge loss
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401 2014-03-18 02:15:54 <jtimon> maybe we're getting off-topic for this channel anyway...
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404 2014-03-18 02:16:28 <Imbue> hello. does anyone know where I should be looking in the (bitcoind) code for information on the chainstate DB?
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411 2014-03-18 02:20:22 <maaku> jtimon: no, that construction isn't reorg safe
412 2014-03-18 02:20:28 <maaku> oh i see
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420 2014-03-18 02:28:41 <Imbue> got a lead, nevermind. txdb.cpp
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605 2014-03-18 06:07:55 <dexX7> is there a rpc i'm currently not seeing that allows to dump all unspent outputs? (not limited to tx or wallet)
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607 2014-03-18 06:10:27 <gmaxwell> maaku: we can have both effectively.
608 2014-03-18 06:11:13 <gmaxwell> maaku: if we do as I suggest and also redefine nlocktime so there is a third mode where really small (e.g. <2016) non-zero values specify maturity. :) (another safe soft forking change which adjusts very little code)
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665 2014-03-18 07:38:09 <dexX7> i want to send a tx with about ~220 inputs, 18 outputs and a size of ~25 kb. i'm unable to and the tx gets rejected.. what's the bottleneck here?
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667 2014-03-18 07:38:37 <justanotheruser> dexX7: what's the fee?
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669 2014-03-18 07:38:59 <dexX7> 0.0001 / kb up-rounded
670 2014-03-18 07:39:25 <justanotheruser> dexX7: addnode 192.3.11.20 add
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672 2014-03-18 07:40:11 <justanotheruser> ;;bc,wiki free relay policy
673 2014-03-18 07:40:12 <gribble> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Free_transaction_relay_policy | Nov 8, 2013 ... The original client currently refuses to relay transactions it considers " unacceptable". However, there may be miners that are willing to put these ...
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675 2014-03-18 07:40:31 <dexX7> ah sorry, i was already one step ahead in my head. decoderawtransaction already fails
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677 2014-03-18 07:40:51 <justanotheruser> dexX7: fails, or just isn't standard?
678 2014-03-18 07:41:04 <dexX7> TX decode failed (code -22)
679 2014-03-18 07:41:12 <dexX7> 0.9rc2
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710 2014-03-18 08:08:35 <conman> someone give me a hint about "AcceptBlock() : block height mismatch in coinbase" error before I go digging around indefinitely? What is the block height format in the coinbase?
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712 2014-03-18 08:09:37 <Luke-Jr> conman: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0034.mediawiki
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714 2014-03-18 08:11:03 <aquarat> well that was nice of him
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717 2014-03-18 08:12:44 <conman> serialized cscript
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719 2014-03-18 08:13:54 <Luke-Jr> conman: in other words, signed little endian with minimal length, preceded by a 1 byte octet of the length itself
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721 2014-03-18 08:14:59 <conman> ok nm
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724 2014-03-18 08:16:52 <conman> though it doesn't say whether it's a signed or unsigned integer
725 2014-03-18 08:17:32 <Luke-Jr> yes, that's missing.
726 2014-03-18 08:17:41 <conman> looks signed
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728 2014-03-18 08:18:07 <Luke-Jr> MIT-licensed C implementation: https://gitorious.org/bitcoin/libblkmaker/source/eb33f9c8e441ffef457a79d76ceed1ea20ab3059:blkmaker.c#L69
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738 2014-03-18 08:24:19 <vegard> Luke-Jr: have you done any statistics on how often all-0 prefixes of a certain length is found by miners of your pool?
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741 2014-03-18 08:24:53 <Luke-Jr> vegard: uh, you mean shares and blocks? kinda the whole goal of a pool?
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743 2014-03-18 08:25:48 <vegard> oops, wrong channel. we can take it elsewhere
744 2014-03-18 08:27:04 <vegard> I mean, you'd expect shares with 1 extra 0 to show up about a certain number of percentage of all submitted shares, shares with 2 extra 0s to be rarer, etc.
745 2014-03-18 08:27:22 <Luke-Jr> yes, those are called blocks :P
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748 2014-03-18 08:28:17 <vegard> any deviation from what you expect mathematically would indicate either that somebody is withholding blocks or that sha256 output is not uniform
749 2014-03-18 08:29:07 <warren> Luke-Jr: i'm glad people discover math here.
750 2014-03-18 08:29:13 <Luke-Jr> lol
751 2014-03-18 08:29:33 <edcba> sometimes they discover programming
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753 2014-03-18 08:30:19 <vegard> isn't output based only on number of submitted shares and not the actual "difficulty" of the shares found?
754 2014-03-18 08:30:19 <edcba> maybe at some point we will able to teach economics but i'm not sure :
755 2014-03-18 08:30:21 <edcba> )
756 2014-03-18 08:32:13 <wumpus> it teaches mostly very hard lessons about trust
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758 2014-03-18 08:33:30 <edcba> indeed lol
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760 2014-03-18 08:35:15 <vegard> Luke-Jr: well, anyway, my question was just whether you see the curve that you'd expect or not.
761 2014-03-18 08:35:44 <Luke-Jr> I guess
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784 2014-03-18 09:19:06 <mn3monic> hi, anyone here, that can I bother in private, have experience with bitcoin-abe? Thank you
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806 2014-03-18 09:28:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|<reading backlog> Erm, what in the world is "P3SH"?
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809 2014-03-18 09:30:16 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: a somewhat joking way to refer to revising the script system in the same way p2sh does.
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811 2014-03-18 09:30:36 <gmaxwell> basically just embedding a potentially entirely different script system as a data push in the old one.
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841 2014-03-18 10:15:44 <anarchystar> is there a way for people to login to mtgox and independently verify that it is real, without anyone having to ask for their password?
842 2014-03-18 10:16:06 <anarchystar> i asked mark to show email + balance and pgp sign that, when logged in, but it seems he didnt
843 2014-03-18 10:16:12 <buZz> eh
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845 2014-03-18 10:16:37 <anarchystar> can you for example, intercept SSL info? and that would also show that it came from mtgox and was signed by them?
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847 2014-03-18 10:16:41 <anarchystar> im just thinking out loud here
848 2014-03-18 10:17:12 <anarchystar> we want to have people show their balance is what they say it is - mtgox just re-opened logins
849 2014-03-18 10:17:21 <buZz> nice
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851 2014-03-18 10:17:58 <wumpus> anarchystar: a similar method is discussed here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173220.0
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853 2014-03-18 10:18:38 <anarchystar> wumpus: hmm nice thanks for the link
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858 2014-03-18 10:26:05 <Rawdawg-> hey guys
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860 2014-03-18 10:26:32 <Rawdawg-> anyone on that can awnser a couple quick questions?
861 2014-03-18 10:26:42 <Rawdawg-> i know its a dumb thing thats stumping me but im stuck lol
862 2014-03-18 10:26:54 <antephialtic> just ask it
863 2014-03-18 10:27:13 <Rawdawg-> ok i have my site setup on one VPS and my wallet on another one
864 2014-03-18 10:27:19 <Rawdawg-> (for security)
865 2014-03-18 10:27:32 <Rawdawg-> and i am trying to get the site to communitcate with the other wallet
866 2014-03-18 10:27:37 <Rawdawg-> but it wont seem to do it
867 2014-03-18 10:28:33 <kadoban> doesn't that provide security the same way RAID 0 provides reliability? aka it doesn't?
868 2014-03-18 10:28:34 <Rawdawg-> rpcuser and pass are correct, i put the ip in and the rpc port, the ports are open on both VPS's
869 2014-03-18 10:28:34 <ne0futur> you can connect your bitcoind distantly with rpc
870 2014-03-18 10:28:50 <Rawdawg-> lol kadoban
871 2014-03-18 10:29:08 <ne0futur> check your firewall, incoming and outgoing, on both servers
872 2014-03-18 10:29:15 <Rawdawg-> yea i did that ne0
873 2014-03-18 10:29:22 <Rawdawg-> ne0futur*
874 2014-03-18 10:29:24 <ne0futur> check debug.log and kernel logs
875 2014-03-18 10:29:32 <Rawdawg-> k, 2 secs
876 2014-03-18 10:29:37 <jouke> Rawdawg-: have you set allowip?
877 2014-03-18 10:29:42 <Rawdawg-> ahhh
878 2014-03-18 10:29:45 <Rawdawg-> thats it
879 2014-03-18 10:29:51 <Rawdawg-> i knew it was something stupid lol
880 2014-03-18 10:30:00 <antephialtic> Rawsawg-: after you get this working make sure you set up iptables to only allow rpc port access from trusted servers
881 2014-03-18 10:30:01 <Rawdawg-> forgot to add that in lol
882 2014-03-18 10:30:15 <ne0futur> +1 for a tight firewall setup
883 2014-03-18 10:30:20 <ne0futur> incoming and outgoing, on both servers
884 2014-03-18 10:30:28 <Rawdawg-> yea I have it setup to only allow from the other VPS
885 2014-03-18 10:30:34 <Rawdawg-> not even my own ip lol
886 2014-03-18 10:30:39 <antephialtic> good.
887 2014-03-18 10:33:25 <ne0futur> Rawdawg-: so what was the pb ? firewall ?
888 2014-03-18 10:33:43 <Rawdawg-> nope, it was the bitcoin.conf
889 2014-03-18 10:33:52 <Rawdawg-> i forgot to set allowip to the other vps
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891 2014-03-18 10:34:01 <Rawdawg-> i knew it was gonna be something dumb like that lol
892 2014-03-18 10:34:10 <Rawdawg-> been up 31 hours now
893 2014-03-18 10:34:16 <Rawdawg-> im missing stupid shit
894 2014-03-18 10:34:17 <Rawdawg-> lol
895 2014-03-18 10:35:54 <Rawdawg-> top
896 2014-03-18 10:35:55 <Rawdawg-> oops
897 2014-03-18 10:37:07 <Rawdawg-> thank you very much guys!
898 2014-03-18 10:37:17 <Rawdawg-> i am definatly bookmarking this channel :P
899 2014-03-18 10:40:46 <ne0futur> dont forget to have a cold wallet ( securing most coins offline )
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902 2014-03-18 10:43:34 <Rawdawg-> Yea I have a paper wallet I put in my safe at home for 75% of the sites funds
903 2014-03-18 10:44:08 <ne0futur> seems good ;)
904 2014-03-18 10:44:11 <Rawdawg-> I also have a VM inside of a usualy offline box (unless i need to send money) with a wallet on it too
905 2014-03-18 10:44:29 <Rawdawg-> Cant screw around with other peoples money :P
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907 2014-03-18 10:45:05 <Rawdawg-> hmm, it didnt work
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909 2014-03-18 10:46:10 <Rawdawg-> probably because i had the wrong IP haha
910 2014-03-18 10:46:18 <Rawdawg-> i need to go to sleep after this one lol
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912 2014-03-18 10:54:22 <Rawdawg-> is it "allowip=ipaddress"?
913 2014-03-18 10:54:33 <Rawdawg-> or rpcallowip=ipaddress
914 2014-03-18 10:55:07 <Rawdawg-> nvm, found the awnser
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939 2014-03-18 11:21:58 <kadoban> i've seen a few people say that 1111111111111111111114oLvT2 is the shortest possible BTC address, anyone know what's wrong with 11111111111111111111ufYVpS, if anything?
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942 2014-03-18 11:25:54 <Imbue> looks good to me
943 2014-03-18 11:26:09 <Imbue> 4oLvT2 is the address that corresponds to ripemd160 = 0
944 2014-03-18 11:27:27 <Imbue> the latter seems to be able to cram more in because of the way base58encode works
945 2014-03-18 11:28:05 <kadoban> yeah...i wonder if there is actually anything wrong with it, because if not, then this thread i see linked to a lot is wrong, on how to verify btc addresses
946 2014-03-18 11:28:09 <Imbue> another example is 11111111111111111111BZbvjr
947 2014-03-18 11:28:15 <kadoban> not that it would ever come up in practice, but...
948 2014-03-18 11:28:39 <Imbue> the ripemd of 0x00 is a special case because leading 0x00 is always represented as 1 in base58
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962 2014-03-18 11:48:08 <justanotheruser> Could someone explain why ECDSA-256 is only acceptable? Should I be worried at all that cisco doesn't classify it as meeting security and scalability requirements of the next 20 years? http://www.cisco.com/web/about/security/intelligence/nextgen_crypto.html
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964 2014-03-18 11:48:59 <justanotheruser> -384 is NGE, so they seem to be assuming that there is a chance someone will be able to break 128 bit security
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969 2014-03-18 11:52:49 <stonecoldpat> justanotheruser: http://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/2482/how-strong-is-the-ecdsa-algorithm gives a decent explanation
970 2014-03-18 11:55:42 <justanotheruser> stonecoldpat: doesn't seem to cover my question
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972 2014-03-18 11:57:52 <stonecoldpat> justanotheruser: i realized that when i re-read your question sorry haha, well i guess the lowest acceptable bit-security to have nowadays, so it probably will be broken within the next 10 years
973 2014-03-18 11:58:20 <justanotheruser> stonecoldpat: a bit scary. That means satoshis funds will be stolen
974 2014-03-18 11:59:32 <justanotheruser> I would guess it's unlikely, but slightly possible
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977 2014-03-18 12:00:32 <thermoman> with 0.9 do i still have to use fixwallet.py --notxes and bitcoind -rescan to get rid of the mutated TX in my wallet?
978 2014-03-18 12:00:33 <Imbue> naively; is ecdsa actually in use with lower than 256 keysize? if so, wouldn't -256 be broken pre-384, in which case you have a prior warning mechanism
979 2014-03-18 12:00:52 <Imbue> remove if so. doesn't make sense
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984 2014-03-18 12:03:08 <justanotheruser> Imbue: I don't think so. At least I haven't ever seen it mentioned
985 2014-03-18 12:03:24 <Imbue> mentally i want to compare it to sha-256 vs -512
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987 2014-03-18 12:03:32 <Imbue> but I am not well versed in the ways of ecdsa
988 2014-03-18 12:04:47 <Imbue> i.e one would expect sha-256 to fall before sha-512 as they are similar in form
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1009 2014-03-18 12:10:49 <wumpus> thermoman: bitcoind -zapwallettxes does the same
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1017 2014-03-18 12:15:31 <thermoman> wumpus: does this remove *all* TX's or only the invalid ones?
1018 2014-03-18 12:15:43 <thermoman> wumpus: and do i need to run -rescan afterwards?
1019 2014-03-18 12:16:04 <wumpus> it removes all txes, just like fixwallet/rescan
1020 2014-03-18 12:16:12 <wumpus> and rescan is automatically enabled
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1026 2014-03-18 12:19:08 <thermoman> wumpus: ok, so i have to run bitcoind -zapwallettxes only once and everything should be good, right?
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1031 2014-03-18 12:24:07 <thermoman> am i right that each and every time this formula shoud be true? sum(listunspent 6) == sum(listaccounts 6) == getbalance "*" 6
1032 2014-03-18 12:24:23 <thermoman> because i have 2 wallets where this is the case
1033 2014-03-18 12:24:48 <thermoman> and one wallet where sum(listunspent 6) == sum(listaccounts 6) but != getbalance "*" 6
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1035 2014-03-18 12:25:12 <thermoman> getbalance reports here appr. half the value of the others
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1039 2014-03-18 12:25:48 <thermoman> and i have one wallet where the sum of all listaccounts 6 differs for 0.00000004 from the other values
1040 2014-03-18 12:25:49 <wumpus> thermoman: yes, you should need to run it only once
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1042 2014-03-18 12:25:56 <thermoman> wumpus: thanks
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1058 2014-03-18 12:43:22 <thermoman> wumpus: does this also shrink the wallet.dat file like the fixwallet.py script did?
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1068 2014-03-18 12:52:20 <wumpus> that's the idea
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1089 2014-03-18 13:10:35 <gavinandresen_> thermoman: you get sum(listunspent 6) != getbalance "*" 6 running 0.9 ?
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1092 2014-03-18 13:15:56 <thermoman> gavinandresen_: yes
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1094 2014-03-18 13:16:22 <jouke> hmm, I believe I noticed something similar recently
1095 2014-03-18 13:16:57 <gavinandresen_> thermoman: then there is a bug in getbalance still.
1096 2014-03-18 13:16:57 <jouke> didn't have the time to fully look into it
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1100 2014-03-18 13:18:14 <gavinandresen_> so⦠y'all know that none of us core developer run big wallet-intensive websites where we might encouter weird edge-case bugs, right?
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1102 2014-03-18 13:18:47 <gavinandresen_> In other words: you shouldn't expect us to be finding and fixing bugs that only turn up if you have wallets with gazillions of transactions in them
1103 2014-03-18 13:18:52 <jouke> I know and I normally try to react on it
1104 2014-03-18 13:19:08 <jouke> but sometimes we aremtoo busy :(
1105 2014-03-18 13:19:50 <gavinandresen_> if you're handling other people's money, then "too busy" to track down a balance discrepancy is just plain irresponsible
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1107 2014-03-18 13:20:18 <jouke> yeah, we don't do that >_>
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1110 2014-03-18 13:20:57 <gavinandresen_> jouke: good to hear.
1111 2014-03-18 13:21:20 <jouke> I know when to prioritize. this wasn't a high priority item, because our systems doesn't use the calls
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1114 2014-03-18 13:21:49 <epscy> isn't it known that the account stuff in bitcoind is a bit buggy?
1115 2014-03-18 13:22:06 <Apocalyptic> it is, but what they are discussing has no relation to accounts whatsoever
1116 2014-03-18 13:23:54 <gavinandresen_> epscy: I fixed several getbalance bugs for the 0.9 release (including a couple of accounts-specific bugs, if I recall correctly)
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1124 2014-03-18 13:37:05 <helo> i guess with testnet-in-a-box someone could potentially construct a blockchain where such a thing would be possible
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1168 2014-03-18 14:09:37 <ThomasZ> anyone can point me in the direction of an alternative to blockchain.info for checking transfers?
1169 2014-03-18 14:09:59 <shesek> ThomasZ, webbtc
1170 2014-03-18 14:10:04 <lianj> webbtc
1171 2014-03-18 14:10:06 <shesek> blockr.io
1172 2014-03-18 14:10:08 <shesek> blockexplorer.com
1173 2014-03-18 14:10:22 <ThomasZ> heh, thanks :) I'll bookmark them all
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1177 2014-03-18 14:16:17 <buZz> ./bitcoind gettransaction TXIDHERE
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1180 2014-03-18 14:18:57 <helo> buZz: not likely to work without -txindex
1181 2014-03-18 14:19:11 <Apocalyptic> ^
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1185 2014-03-18 14:20:16 <buZz> sure?
1186 2014-03-18 14:20:30 * buZz grabs random tx
1187 2014-03-18 14:20:49 <buZz> 5007041215d1c95f6c3fda568b0ca71a597928a6eefbe5736f1d85d3543353df
1188 2014-03-18 14:21:15 <buZz> ah
1189 2014-03-18 14:21:16 <buZz> error: {"code":-5,"message":"Invalid or non-wallet transaction id"}
1190 2014-03-18 14:21:16 <helo> if it is in the utxo, it should work
1191 2014-03-18 14:21:38 <helo> afaik...
1192 2014-03-18 14:21:42 <buZz> bye :)
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1196 2014-03-18 14:23:07 <helo> well i guess not. it could be much cheaper to save just the outputs, and not the full txes they are in.
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1198 2014-03-18 14:25:23 <Apocalyptic> <helo> if it is in the utxo, it should work // it only works if the tx is wallet-related
1199 2014-03-18 14:25:31 <Apocalyptic> without -txindex that is
1200 2014-03-18 14:26:01 <buZz> what would -txindex need to be to read abritrary txid through the wallet?
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1216 2014-03-18 14:33:32 <shesek> anyone going to CoinSummit next week?
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1219 2014-03-18 14:35:08 <helo> buZz: basically what it says. it builds a database that indexes the location in the blockhain of all txids.
1220 2014-03-18 14:35:41 <buZz> ahhh ok
1221 2014-03-18 14:36:08 <buZz> so if you wanted to do that, you would need to push them all in that database?
1222 2014-03-18 14:36:14 <helo> yep
1223 2014-03-18 14:36:29 <buZz> thats a lot of transactions ..
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1225 2014-03-18 14:37:01 <helo> -utxo-txindex would be a nice middle ground
1226 2014-03-18 14:37:20 <helo> (just indexing the transactions with unspent outputs)
1227 2014-03-18 14:37:33 <helo> *might be a nice middle ground
1228 2014-03-18 14:37:55 <stonecoldpat> that would be nice, but would it not require a lot of keeping up to date ?
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1231 2014-03-18 14:38:40 <buZz> i still dont see how that would allow to lookup any txid
1232 2014-03-18 14:39:25 <stonecoldpat> Buzz, you need to do ./bitcoind -reindex
1233 2014-03-18 14:39:29 <stonecoldpat> before you can use ./bitcoind -txindex
1234 2014-03-18 14:39:39 <stonecoldpat> (i'm actually doing it right now, takes hours)
1235 2014-03-18 14:39:46 <buZz> doesnt -reindex just work for your own wallet
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1238 2014-03-18 14:40:00 <stonecoldpat> you can do ./bitcoind -reindex -txindex and as it processes the transactions, you can look them up
1239 2014-03-18 14:40:06 <stonecoldpat> no, it does it for all transactions
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1241 2014-03-18 14:40:13 <buZz> even not yours?
1242 2014-03-18 14:40:16 <stonecoldpat> yes
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1244 2014-03-18 14:40:28 <buZz> i'm quite sure you will get error: {"code":-5,"message":"Invalid or non-wallet transaction id"}
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1247 2014-03-18 14:40:58 <buZz> after doing this; ./bitcoind gettransaction 5007041215d1c95f6c3fda568b0ca71a597928a6eefbe5736f1d85d3543353df
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1249 2014-03-18 14:41:37 <stonecoldpat> it wotn work for gettransaction
1250 2014-03-18 14:41:41 <stonecoldpat> but it will for getrawtransaction
1251 2014-03-18 14:41:57 <buZz> oh it does! tnx
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1253 2014-03-18 14:42:16 <buZz> some day i'll try to figure out how to decode that output ;)
1254 2014-03-18 14:42:28 <stonecoldpat> ./bitcoind decoderawtransaction
1255 2014-03-18 14:42:34 <stonecoldpat> gives you a nice JSON version
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1257 2014-03-18 14:43:35 <buZz> nice!
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1259 2014-03-18 14:43:49 <buZz> how could i work out what the amount of confirmations is though?
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1261 2014-03-18 14:44:14 <buZz> i noticed confirmations lacking in many block explorers, so i guess its related to rawtransaction not outputting it?
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1263 2014-03-18 14:44:27 <mpescador> hello everybody! I've got a question: is there a maximum transaction size?
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1265 2014-03-18 14:44:36 <buZz> mpescador: should be 50M
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1267 2014-03-18 14:44:55 <buZz> at least, it is on most coins
1268 2014-03-18 14:45:10 <helo> ./getrawtransaction <txid> 1
1269 2014-03-18 14:45:10 <mpescador> i thought the maximum block size was 1 MB
1270 2014-03-18 14:45:13 <helo> (for nice output)
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1272 2014-03-18 14:45:29 <mpescador> so I thought a transaction had to be smaller than that
1273 2014-03-18 14:45:33 <buZz> helo: ah, that just decodes it all the time
1274 2014-03-18 14:45:35 <stonecoldpat> just find out what block it was included in, but i dont know how to do it from the top of my head
1275 2014-03-18 14:45:38 <helo> mpescador: you are correct. well, 1000000 bytes
1276 2014-03-18 14:46:49 <mpescador> is the maximum transaction size then 1000000 bytes minus the size of the header?
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1282 2014-03-18 14:49:34 <gavinandresen_> mpescador: maximum transaction size that will be relayed and mined by most miners is 100,000 bytes
1283 2014-03-18 14:52:43 <mpescador> thanks, but I just ran into a transaction that is 112 kB, so is there also a maximum valid transaction size (even though it won't be relayed by most miners)?
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1285 2014-03-18 14:53:54 <gavinandresen_> mpescador: I'd have to look, but the maximum block size (1MB) is the practical limit
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1287 2014-03-18 14:54:21 <mpescador> ok thanks a lot
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1289 2014-03-18 14:57:15 <stonecoldpat> in the code, typedef std::vector<unsigned char, secure_allocator<unsigned char>> CPrivKey .... whats the best way to access the unsigned chars for it? i'm not familiar with double-barroled c++ vectors
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1291 2014-03-18 14:58:30 <stonecoldpat> (sorry if my question is too specific!)
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1295 2014-03-18 15:04:55 <helo> stonecoldpat: perhaps ##c++ would be more helpful
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1351 2014-03-18 15:54:03 <davout> why does getrawtransaction return an array of addresses for each vout ?
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1353 2014-03-18 15:54:32 <davout> in which case could you have more than one address for a tx out ?
1354 2014-03-18 15:54:45 <gavinandresen_> davec: multisig transactions
1355 2014-03-18 15:54:59 <gavinandresen_> err, davout
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1357 2014-03-18 15:55:45 <gavinandresen_> davout: (non-p2sh-multisig transactions where you pay to multiple public keys, which can be expressed as an array of addresses)
1358 2014-03-18 15:57:04 <davout> gavinandresen_: ok, in that case you don't really have the information of how many signatures are required to redeem the out, i mean without looking at the actual script
1359 2014-03-18 15:57:24 <gavinandresen_> davout: yup
1360 2014-03-18 15:58:04 <gavinandresen_> davout: oh, and you might get an empty array if the scriptPubKey can't be expressed as one or more addresses.
1361 2014-03-18 15:58:07 <davout> gavinandresen_: ok, thanks a lot, i'll just filter on "type" : "pubkeyhash" to get the "usual" txes
1362 2014-03-18 15:58:27 <davout> yeah, that makes sense
1363 2014-03-18 15:59:52 <davout> gavinandresen_: thanks for the answers!
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1377 2014-03-18 16:09:00 <rotzoll> dogecoin is the teenager of bitcoin
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1379 2014-03-18 16:09:20 <rotzoll> sorry wrong window
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1388 2014-03-18 16:20:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hm, a transaction in my wallet has become conflicted
1389 2014-03-18 16:20:05 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And I can't tell why
1390 2014-03-18 16:20:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|"confirmations" : -1, "walletconflicts" : []
1391 2014-03-18 16:20:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Listed with a ! in the transactions tab
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1426 2014-03-18 16:46:01 <davout> does rpcallowip take ranges ?
1427 2014-03-18 16:46:13 <davout> or just single ips? comma separated ?
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1430 2014-03-18 16:46:37 <davout> hmm, apparently not
1431 2014-03-18 16:46:45 <jaakkos> use iptables instead?
1432 2014-03-18 16:47:27 <davout> jaakkos: it'd be nice to use both
1433 2014-03-18 16:48:04 <topace> i seem to recall specifying it with /slash subnet and it worked
1434 2014-03-18 16:48:36 <topace> 192.168.1.0/24
1435 2014-03-18 16:48:42 <jaakkos> davout: you could also set up VPN, eg. with OpenVPN
1436 2014-03-18 16:48:43 <topace> maybe im remembering incorrectly
1437 2014-03-18 16:48:52 <jaakkos> and only communicate through that
1438 2014-03-18 16:49:06 <jaakkos> that's what i do...
1439 2014-03-18 16:49:12 <davout> topace: the wiki seems to disagree :-)
1440 2014-03-18 16:49:19 <davout> jaakkos: well, that's what i did
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1442 2014-03-18 16:49:40 <sipa> iirc subnet specification is supported, but i never used it
1443 2014-03-18 16:49:51 <davout> jaakkos: allowing external IPs without ensuring transport-level encryption, not good
1444 2014-03-18 16:50:01 <sipa> yeah
1445 2014-03-18 16:50:08 <jaakkos> so you use the VPN now?
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1447 2014-03-18 16:50:12 <davout> sipa topace i'll trust you guys and give it a shot
1448 2014-03-18 16:50:18 <davout> jaakkos: yep
1449 2014-03-18 16:50:25 <jaakkos> yeah
1450 2014-03-18 16:50:48 <gavinandresen_> ⦠i thought the only syntax supported was 192.168.1.* ⦠but it is very possible the / syntax was added
1451 2014-03-18 16:51:09 <hearn> hello
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1455 2014-03-18 16:53:25 <wumpus> yes the only syntax supported is 1.2.3.*
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1457 2014-03-18 16:53:52 <wumpus> it does a wildcard match on the rpcallowips, not a subnet match
1458 2014-03-18 16:54:06 <gavinandresen_> wumpus: do you think it is time to tag 0.9.0 final ? rc3 is looking stable from my point of view
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1460 2014-03-18 16:54:53 <wumpus> gavinandresen_: ack
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1462 2014-03-18 16:55:16 <gavinandresen_> Anybody else have any issues with 0.9.0rc3? Last call....
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1469 2014-03-18 16:59:15 <gavinandresen_> wumpus: ok, going to tag commit 92d25e (current 0.9.0 branch HEAD) as v0.9.0 : the four commits since 0.9.0rc3 are all documentation or build system
1470 2014-03-18 16:59:34 <jtimon> no issues, just congratulate all core develpers, not only it has new important features but also looks much more readable
1471 2014-03-18 17:00:50 <wumpus> gavinandresen_: indeed, there have been no code changes after rc3
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1475 2014-03-18 17:02:09 <gavinandresen_> * [new tag] v0.9.0 -> v0.9.0
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1498 2014-03-18 17:14:49 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wonders how long the SMS message will take
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1505 2014-03-18 17:16:13 <travj> could I bother a dev for a comment on the bugs mentioned here: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/32093497/
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1515 2014-03-18 17:20:22 <wumpus> travj: agreed that something seems wrong; may be a good idea to file an issue on github to make sure this doesn't get lost
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1518 2014-03-18 17:20:49 <wumpus> travj: I didn't even know that zapwallettxes attempted to keep the ordering of transactions
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1521 2014-03-18 17:22:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Builds running now
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1523 2014-03-18 17:22:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Still haven't gotten the SMS...
1524 2014-03-18 17:23:08 <travj> wumpus: okay. any comment on what I'm trying to do with the DB there?
1525 2014-03-18 17:23:19 <travj> also, thanks for looking at it
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1530 2014-03-18 17:24:03 <wumpus> travj: I don't know enough about that part of the code to comment
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1532 2014-03-18 17:24:06 <travj> i don't think zipwallettxes tries to. I think it's just part of the normal wallet loading
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1534 2014-03-18 17:24:19 <travj> wumpus: okay, thanks
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1536 2014-03-18 17:25:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The email did come through though
1537 2014-03-18 17:25:06 * jgarzik_ appears... there is a question about -zapwallettx ?
1538 2014-03-18 17:25:20 <travj> sipa told me to both Luke-Jr about it :)
1539 2014-03-18 17:25:40 <travj> yea, http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/32093497/
1540 2014-03-18 17:25:58 <travj> seems to be a bug, wumpus told me to file it in github
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1542 2014-03-18 17:26:18 <travj> which I shall do. but i'm curious about the approach on the db ordering i'm doing
1543 2014-03-18 17:26:26 <travj> wonder if a dev can comment
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1545 2014-03-18 17:27:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah, just got the SMS
1546 2014-03-18 17:27:29 <jgarzik_> travj, definitely file on github, to track this sort of thing and capture useful discussion of it
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1548 2014-03-18 17:27:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|25 minutes after gavin announced the new tag in here
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1553 2014-03-18 17:31:39 <maaku> gavinandresen_ (or others): there was talk on bitcoin-development about moving from 80 byte OP_RETURN to 40 bytes. did that get resolved?
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1558 2014-03-18 17:32:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|maaku: it happened
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1561 2014-03-18 17:33:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|commit 8175c79
1562 2014-03-18 17:33:51 <maaku> awesome
1563 2014-03-18 17:35:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(if anyone's interested, this is the IFTTT recipe I set up: https://ifttt.com/recipes/154953-bitcoin-core-new-tag-sms-alert
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1577 2014-03-18 17:47:09 <etotheipi_> maaku: argh... so we can't fit ECDSA sigs into OP_RETURNs now?
1578 2014-03-18 17:47:40 <etotheipi_> I missed that discussion
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1580 2014-03-18 17:48:11 <travj> jgarzik: the bug is filed. I don't suppose you can comment on the db ordering part?
1581 2014-03-18 17:48:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|etotheipi_: see commit 8175c79
1582 2014-03-18 17:48:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|find the PR for the discussion
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1587 2014-03-18 17:53:19 <Ghaleon> Hello All, Theseissues with blockchain.info have really pushed us to look into developing our own hoisted wallet solution... the options are numerous... seems bitcoind +walletnotify +bash scripts are the main way, then there is insight by bit pay and bitcoinJ
1588 2014-03-18 17:53:39 <Ghaleon> does anyone here have any leads on best practices for such a project?
1589 2014-03-18 17:53:51 <hearn> hosted wallet means .... you take deposits for other people? you're running an online store?
1590 2014-03-18 17:53:53 <shesek> anyone from SF or going to CoinSummit next week?
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1593 2014-03-18 17:54:52 <Ghaleon> hearn something like that, we want to have our own wallet hosting service, just for our internal network of merchants
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1595 2014-03-18 17:55:16 <Ghaleon> don;t want to depend on blockchain.info or anyone else anymore
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1600 2014-03-18 17:55:45 <Ghaleon> we have over 10k folks now so we gotta move up
1601 2014-03-18 17:55:45 <hearn> yes, there are several ways. you can of course just add your own accounting over a single bitcoind wallet
1602 2014-03-18 17:55:58 <hearn> you want to host wallets for 10k people?
1603 2014-03-18 17:56:02 <hearn> that seems risky
1604 2014-03-18 17:56:26 <Ghaleon> yes he arm we want to have our own mysql db above the block chain but i keep reading that bitcoind cannot scale past 10k users
1605 2014-03-18 17:56:31 <etotheipi_> Ghaleon: armoryd.py is functional, though still short on some functionality... but it also makes it very easy to use watching-only wallets and all the server code is pure python so it can be forked very easily
1606 2014-03-18 17:56:51 <Ghaleon> no reward without risk, we would rather NOT host our own wallet but we see no choice now
1607 2014-03-18 17:57:13 <hearn> why don't your users host their own wallets?
1608 2014-03-18 17:57:24 <Ghaleon> agh armory has a python script? this is to replace bitcoind wallet notify right?
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1610 2014-03-18 17:57:34 <hearn> anyway, there's no real need to keep the wallets entirely separate if you are holding money for someone else and indeed it's a good idea NOT to, because otherwise you can't do cold wallets
1611 2014-03-18 17:57:34 <etotheipi_> for instance you can inject your code directly into the newTx and newBlock functions to do whatever notifications you want python-style
1612 2014-03-18 17:57:49 <hearn> so i'd suggest you just add your own accounting on top of bitcoind
1613 2014-03-18 17:57:53 <Ghaleon> our users do host their own personal wallets which we forward funds too but we still need a way to read and write to the blockchain
1614 2014-03-18 17:58:12 <etotheipi_> Ghaleon: for an intro: https://bitcoinarmory.com/developers/python-scripting/
1615 2014-03-18 17:58:36 <olalonde> yes.. using 1 wallet <â> 1 user makes cold storage impossible
1616 2014-03-18 17:59:08 <hearn> Ghaleon: i'm still confused. are you holding your users bitcoins on deposit, or not? if yes then bitcoind + your own accounting layer + TONS of security and hardening is the way to go. and trying to get them to withdraw ASAP
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1618 2014-03-18 17:59:20 <hearn> Ghaleon: if you just want to keep an eye on wallets controlled by other people, then there are other ways to satisfy that
1619 2014-03-18 17:59:29 <Ghaleon> etotheipi_ this is awesome dude!
1620 2014-03-18 17:59:43 <Ghaleon> could you also build a block explorer with this?
1621 2014-03-18 18:00:00 <etotheipi_> Ghaleon: you will have to fill in a lot of gaps... we haven't been able to prioritize armoryd
1622 2014-03-18 18:00:06 <Ghaleon> in essence we only need 3 functions to build our hosted system, make address, sendto, send from, and a callback ssystem
1623 2014-03-18 18:00:07 <etotheipi_> so the current functionality is minimal
1624 2014-03-18 18:00:14 <etotheipi_> but it's sufficient for most
1625 2014-03-18 18:00:47 <etotheipi_> we'll be spending some time on it in the near future, and I can refer you to others that have finished integrating it
1626 2014-03-18 18:01:04 <Ghaleon> hearn, yes we prefer they offload their accounts asap, but more and more like keeping their coins with us... we are not sure what to do right now but it is clear we need to go our own way
1627 2014-03-18 18:01:18 <hearn> then i think bitcoind provides everything you need, no?
1628 2014-03-18 18:01:36 <hearn> the number of users is irrelevant - you're adding your own accounting on top of a single shared wallets
1629 2014-03-18 18:01:40 <Joric> hey what's with electrum heard the encryption is unsecure
1630 2014-03-18 18:01:41 <hearn> (well, single hot wallet + cold wallets)
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1633 2014-03-18 18:02:53 <Joric> ah got it, 16 bit seed lol
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1640 2014-03-18 18:06:32 <Imbue> 128 bit seed.
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1643 2014-03-18 18:06:56 <Imbue> oh; the new encryption feature. ignore me.
1644 2014-03-18 18:07:16 <maaku> etotheipi_: what do you need a ECDSA sig in an OP_RETURN for?
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1653 2014-03-18 18:12:36 <etotheipi_> maaku: we had a daydreaming session and the idea of signed revocation messages came up
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1655 2014-03-18 18:12:57 <maaku> etotheipi_: why does that need to be on the chain?
1656 2014-03-18 18:12:58 <etotheipi_> using an OP_RETURN in a transaction to embed a revocation
1657 2014-03-18 18:13:02 <etotheipi_> timestamping
1658 2014-03-18 18:13:08 <etotheipi_> it would be used like 0-1 times, ever
1659 2014-03-18 18:13:10 <maaku> embed a hash
1660 2014-03-18 18:13:29 <Ghaleon> bitcoind seems to work well enough for just reading the block chain, thus a block explorer may be possible with it... but the ability to get the information for transactions from addresses NOT on your wallet... how to do this? is reindexing your blockchcian db copy enough? or do you have to go through the entire block chain and build your own relational database of all addresses and transactions in mysql postgress e
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1662 2014-03-18 18:14:01 <hearn> why would you need to do that, for your given use case?
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1665 2014-03-18 18:15:02 <Ghaleon> this is different
1666 2014-03-18 18:15:09 <Ghaleon> was just pondering how block explorers work
1667 2014-03-18 18:15:28 <Ghaleon> trying to increase my knowledge of how the block chain works. to "level up" if you will
1668 2014-03-18 18:15:44 <etotheipi_> Ghaleon: armoryd right now has arbitrary lookup by hash, but not address
1669 2014-03-18 18:15:50 <topynate> hi, just saw the news about 0.9 in the chat log and that standard OP_RETURN was reduced to 40 bytes
1670 2014-03-18 18:16:06 <etotheipi_> however we're done with 98% of the "supernode" version which does arbitrary address lookup as well (and is a huge database)
1671 2014-03-18 18:16:07 <hearn> cool
1672 2014-03-18 18:16:15 <hearn> the problem with block explorers is they're very expensive to run
1673 2014-03-18 18:16:18 <hearn> as etotheipi_ alludes to
1674 2014-03-18 18:16:20 <sipa> Ghaleon: bitcoind doesn't maintain a by-txid or by-address lookup database
1675 2014-03-18 18:16:25 <hearn> generally you wnt to avoid running one if you can at all avoid it
1676 2014-03-18 18:16:29 <hearn> er, sorry
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1678 2014-03-18 18:16:36 <hearn> generally you want to avoid running one if you can at all help it!
1679 2014-03-18 18:16:42 <sipa> Ghaleon: you can have an optional by-txid one, but a by-address one is just encouraging the wrong way to do it
1680 2014-03-18 18:16:43 <maaku> topynate: and?
1681 2014-03-18 18:16:54 <topynate> two questions: first, does that affect use for stealth addresses? secondly, where exactly is the discussion referenced in the PR?
1682 2014-03-18 18:17:34 <sipa> Ghaleon: building infrastructure that requires access to the full blockchain (and certainly a fully-indexed consistent version of it) is generally broken
1683 2014-03-18 18:17:44 <sipa> Ghaleon: except for debug purposes, that just isn't needed
1684 2014-03-18 18:17:45 <maaku> topynate: (1) no, stealth addresses involves a pubkey and few bits of prefix. that's under 40 bytes. (2) the mailing list
1685 2014-03-18 18:18:23 <Ghaleon> how expensive is a block explorer to run ? lots of RAM and cpu for the initial block chain crawl right? and then to run it a bit less to continue to add to the relational db layer right?
1686 2014-03-18 18:18:42 <Ghaleon> just a web server and a powerful DB server sounds like all you need right?
1687 2014-03-18 18:18:52 <Ghaleon> 2 strong servers.. prob like what $500 a month ?
1688 2014-03-18 18:19:34 <sipa> Ghaleon: i'm sure it can be done with less
1689 2014-03-18 18:19:38 <sipa> Ghaleon: but it's just the wrong approach
1690 2014-03-18 18:19:51 <sipa> Ghaleon: build infrastructure that doesn't require it
1691 2014-03-18 18:19:53 <petertodd> etotheipi_: make your application be able to stuff your data in any pushdata in the transaction, with op_return just one of the options. if you want I'll release my python code I have for automating this stuff in a very hard to censor way
1692 2014-03-18 18:19:56 <etotheipi_> Ghaleon: from my testing, using my [somewhat strong] desktop, I was able to build an armory supernode DB in about 6 hours, and it used about 30-40 GB (when the blockchain was 10 GB)
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1694 2014-03-18 18:20:19 <maaku> topynate: assuming you use OP_RETURN at all, as other schemes involve putting that data in the scriptPubKey
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1696 2014-03-18 18:20:55 <etotheipi_> the RAM usage wasn't ludicrous, but it was pretty hard on the HDD
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1699 2014-03-18 18:21:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen_: My 0.9.0 sigs are ready, do you want to just pull directly from https://github.com/Michagogo/gitian.sigs.git master, or would you prefer a PR?
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1702 2014-03-18 18:22:21 <gavinandresen_> michagogo|cloud: pull request is easiest for me
1703 2014-03-18 18:22:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Okay, give me a minute
1704 2014-03-18 18:22:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen_: https://github.com/bitcoin/gitian.sigs/pull/22
1705 2014-03-18 18:22:57 <topynate> maaku: thanks. i'm not sure 40 bytes will be attractive enough to persuade mastercoin/counterparty etc. to switch from multi-sig, did anyone ask them?
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1709 2014-03-18 18:24:16 <sipa> topynate: i'm unsure that'd switch to using it in any case
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1711 2014-03-18 18:24:30 <Ghaleon> etotheipi that is amazing, only 6 hours? we need a super node... what database do you use to store the relations between addresses and transactions? you are using a relational DB for this right?
1712 2014-03-18 18:24:34 <hearn> Ghaleon: you are basically running a BitBank service for your clients, right?
1713 2014-03-18 18:24:41 <hearn> Ghaleon: so I see no reason why you would need a block explorer
1714 2014-03-18 18:24:54 <Ghaleon> I also imagine that you load the entire block chain into ram for this initial crawl right?
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1716 2014-03-18 18:25:09 <gmaxwell> How concerned are we about the zap wallet stuff causing txn reordering?
1717 2014-03-18 18:25:46 <maaku> topynate: multisig is fine, so long as it gets spent we don't care
1718 2014-03-18 18:25:49 <Ghaleon> hearn, this is true, we don't really need it. but we do need to be able to look up transactions by address. bitcoind can do ti easily for addresses on our server this is true. but i want to know everything now
1719 2014-03-18 18:26:01 <sipa> Ghaleon: use a watch-only wallet
1720 2014-03-18 18:26:02 <Ghaleon> I am tried of being a lame php code monkey, time to level up lol
1721 2014-03-18 18:26:11 <maaku> mastercoin was not a considered use case for this change
1722 2014-03-18 18:26:12 <sipa> Ghaleon: instead of indexing every single transaction ever performed
1723 2014-03-18 18:26:16 <Ghaleon> we owe it to those who depend on us to become better
1724 2014-03-18 18:26:30 <sipa> Ghaleon: my former addrindex patch used just a few extra GB and no extra ram
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1726 2014-03-18 18:26:35 <maaku> fwiw, to date the only reasonable use case I've seen for op_return is stealth address prefixes (and it's not clear those need it)
1727 2014-03-18 18:26:36 <EagleTM> Ghaleon: electrum-server has a leveldb with history of tx with a specific pruning limit for the history. database is like ~7 gig (depending on pruning limit). not sure what you are trying to do
1728 2014-03-18 18:26:40 <sipa> Ghaleon: but it's just the wrong approach for pretty much everything
1729 2014-03-18 18:26:47 <hearn> sure, we get that, that's why we're debating with you :)
1730 2014-03-18 18:26:55 <Ghaleon> sips, what examples of "watch only wallets" are there ?
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1732 2014-03-18 18:27:13 <sipa> Ghaleon: just use a wallet that tracks the addresses you're interested in
1733 2014-03-18 18:27:29 <sipa> Ghaleon: there's a patch for bitcoind to implement it, but many other wallet solutions already do
1734 2014-03-18 18:27:37 <gavinandresen_> gmaxwell: the zap wallet stuff should not be recommended; it shouldn't be necessary with the 0.9 wallet balance fixes
1735 2014-03-18 18:27:40 <waxwing> Ghaleon, I know electrum hash it
1736 2014-03-18 18:27:45 <waxwing> s/hash/has/
1737 2014-03-18 18:28:05 <gavinandresen_> gmaxwell: that said, fixing the transaction ordering should happen for 0.9.1
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1740 2014-03-18 18:28:40 <petertodd> topynate: mastercoin is retaining support for all data encoding methods, including non-provably-unspendable outputs
1741 2014-03-18 18:28:41 <Ghaleon> hearn, thank you. i know i am ignorant. just trying to learn
1742 2014-03-18 18:29:01 <Ghaleon> i am so damn impressed with the level of arch geekery here shown by gavin, gazrik, reeves etc..
1743 2014-03-18 18:29:15 <Ghaleon> i am only a level 1 minor dweeb still lol
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1751 2014-03-18 18:32:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen_: did you see the pr?
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1753 2014-03-18 18:33:08 <Ghaleon> I also saw that you guys were dropping support for "accounts" on bitcoind , good thing I saw that before we built in support for it
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1755 2014-03-18 18:34:06 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen_: Hm. Did we gain some other method to release stuck inputs for those who have them? I thought they were still held even when their spender was conflicted.
1756 2014-03-18 18:34:41 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen_: gavinandresen can I push you to fix whatever's wrong with pull tester?
1757 2014-03-18 18:34:48 <BlueMatt> otherwise I'll get to it late in the week, I think
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1777 2014-03-18 18:55:57 <gavinandresen_> gmaxwell: the "remove vSpent" change for 0.9 means outputs never get "stuck"
1778 2014-03-18 18:56:21 <gavinandresen_> BlueMatt: I'll kick pulltester right now...
1779 2014-03-18 18:57:06 <gmaxwell> HM. OKAY. I thought that was just a pre-req to getting there (that it still considered conflicted as holding the transactions). Nevermind that concern then. Fantastic. Now they'd only be 'stuck' by non-confirming but not conflicted transactions.
1780 2014-03-18 18:57:44 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen_: thanks
1781 2014-03-18 18:58:32 <gavinandresen_> gmaxwell: yes, exactly
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1814 2014-03-18 19:30:09 <bdhuser> noob question: does the txns field in the block message consist of compelete tx messages also including header? or just the tx payload format?
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1817 2014-03-18 19:33:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|bdhuser: Just the serialized transactions, if I correctly understand your question
1818 2014-03-18 19:34:25 <bdhuser> yes, but is it a full transaction message with a header field, or just the payload part of a transaction message?
1819 2014-03-18 19:34:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What do you mean exactly?
1820 2014-03-18 19:35:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh -- it's not a tx message like you'd see over the network
1821 2014-03-18 19:35:18 <bdhuser> well, tx is a message which can be sent? right? it has a stadnard header, as all messages, and an actual payload
1822 2014-03-18 19:35:23 <bdhuser> no?
1823 2014-03-18 19:35:30 <bdhuser> just payload then?
1824 2014-03-18 19:35:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yeah, just the transaction itself
1825 2014-03-18 19:35:44 <bdhuser> cool, thanks!
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1827 2014-03-18 19:36:06 <devrandom> is there a BIP-0039 implementation in javascript?
1828 2014-03-18 19:36:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(version, inputs, outputs, locktime)
1829 2014-03-18 19:36:31 <bdhuser> yep yep, thats clear from the docs, just wasnt clear on that one thing
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1835 2014-03-18 19:42:18 <cfields> wumpus: ping
1836 2014-03-18 19:43:20 <cfields> wumpus: ready for me to squash down the linux/osx PR? or waiting on more input?
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1846 2014-03-18 19:47:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen_: is https://bitcoin.org/bin/0.9.0/bitcoin-0.9.0-win64-setup.exe the code-signed v0.9.0 final?
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1848 2014-03-18 19:48:20 <Imbue> i've been looking through coins.h (trying to write an app to query the chainstate db). making good progress, but one part is elusive. the commenting mentions 'special txout type pay to pubkey hash', which is 0x00
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1850 2014-03-18 19:48:41 <gavinandresen_> michagogo|cloud: shhh, you're not supposed to see that yet....
1851 2014-03-18 19:48:53 <gavinandresen_> michagogo|cloud: ⦠we need to wait for more gitian signers.....
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1853 2014-03-18 19:49:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Well, I built myself :-P
1854 2014-03-18 19:49:32 <Imbue> i can handle that fine. but there are obviously other unspent outputs lying around. do they have codes or should I just try to cover the edge cases as best i can?
1855 2014-03-18 19:49:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And if it's codesigned, then my security software apparently considers it safe...
1856 2014-03-18 19:50:03 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: the point is that some immpolite people have raced the release to reddit and such in the past. Please don't do this or we'll have to make the release process less public.
1857 2014-03-18 19:50:12 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gmaxwell: Oh, I'm sorry
1858 2014-03-18 19:50:17 <gavinandresen_> michagogo|cloud: yes, assuming more matching gitian signatures, those are code-signed final binaries.
1859 2014-03-18 19:50:44 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|will PM next time
1860 2014-03-18 19:51:21 <gavinandresen_> gmaxwell: I kinda like how announcing releases crowdsources itself these days, though....
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1862 2014-03-18 19:51:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|BTW, speaking of releases, when did we switch from SF to bitcoin.org?
1863 2014-03-18 19:51:49 <gmaxwell> sure, when they're actually done!
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1865 2014-03-18 19:52:05 <devrandom> anybody know of a javascript implementation of BIP-0039?
1866 2014-03-18 19:52:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;google BIP39
1867 2014-03-18 19:52:16 <gribble> BIP 0039 - Bitcoin: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0039>; Category:BIP - Bitcoin: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Category:BIP>; Status of BIP39 Mnemonic code for deterministic keys - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=288676.0>
1868 2014-03-18 19:52:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah, right -- that one
1869 2014-03-18 19:52:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Marek Palatinus is slush, right?
1870 2014-03-18 19:52:54 <devrandom> I think so
1871 2014-03-18 19:53:14 <devrandom> there's python code, but couldn't find any JS
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1877 2014-03-18 19:56:45 <cfields> gavinandresen_: in the README.txt: the "./autogen.sh" part is not needed (not present either, so it can't be run anyway)
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1885 2014-03-18 20:04:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hmm, I have a chain of 3 unconfirmed transactions
1886 2014-03-18 20:04:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The first is listed as unconfirmed, the second and third are listed as conflicted
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1888 2014-03-18 20:05:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|There shouldn't be anything conflicting with them, as far as I know...
1889 2014-03-18 20:05:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Am I missing something?
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1897 2014-03-18 20:10:06 <Imbue> aha. CScriptCompressor.
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1924 2014-03-18 20:41:02 <murr4y> hi all, question about flow control in script: why is false pushed to the flow-stack for OP_IF/OP_NOTIF when a previous OP_IF was false and we're not executing (fExec is false)? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/script.cpp#L401-L412
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1928 2014-03-18 20:42:42 <petertodd> murr4y: to keep track of nesting
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1931 2014-03-18 20:44:36 <gmaxwell> murr4y: (elaborating on PT's answer:) so you can count the endifs accurately and know when to start executing again at the right place.
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1934 2014-03-18 20:46:12 <petertodd> murr4y: fun puzzle: does the script "1 IF NOP ELSE RETURN ELSE RETURN ENDIF" fail?
1935 2014-03-18 20:47:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|petertodd: Are multiple ELSEs allowed?
1936 2014-03-18 20:47:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If so, it won't fail
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1938 2014-03-18 20:47:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(right?)
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1940 2014-03-18 20:48:12 <petertodd> michagogo|cloud: I'm asking you guys: looking at the code, do you think multiple elses are allowed?
1941 2014-03-18 20:48:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh, I can't read CPP
1942 2014-03-18 20:48:50 <petertodd> michagogo|cloud: aw come on, script.cpp is really readable cpp
1943 2014-03-18 20:48:51 <murr4y> yeah, they are
1944 2014-03-18 20:49:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|petertodd: They are allowed, unless the wiki is wrong
1945 2014-03-18 20:49:40 <murr4y> it fails with return the last else clause
1946 2014-03-18 20:49:57 <petertodd> michagogo|cloud: cheater, murr4y: correct
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1948 2014-03-18 20:50:08 <murr4y> :D
1949 2014-03-18 20:50:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Wait, so you *can't* have multiple ELSEs?
1950 2014-03-18 20:50:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh
1951 2014-03-18 20:50:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wait
1952 2014-03-18 20:50:46 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|thinks
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1954 2014-03-18 20:51:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh, I see
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1957 2014-03-18 20:51:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|So if you have IF a ELSE b ELSE c, you will run either ac or b?
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1959 2014-03-18 20:52:01 <edcba> yes
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1961 2014-03-18 20:52:40 <murr4y> petertodd gmaxwell: thanks, i see now
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1963 2014-03-18 20:53:08 <petertodd> murr4y: thanks for looking at the code closely!
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1980 2014-03-18 21:06:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hm
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1982 2014-03-18 21:06:28 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wonders if there's any point in doing that
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1987 2014-03-18 21:10:28 <firelegend> I was looking for the Unserialize code for this piece of code vRecv >> pfrom->nVersion >> pfrom->nServices >> nTime >> addrMe;, for the CAddress addrMe but I cannot find it. I know CDataStream's >> operator is overloaded and it calls ::Unserialize, but I can't find the appropriate template for CAddress. Would appreciate some help.
1988 2014-03-18 21:10:59 <firelegend> My C++ is still newbie level, but that won't stop me from reading the code :)
1989 2014-03-18 21:11:14 <sipa> firelegend: look for IMPLEMENT_SERIALIZE
1990 2014-03-18 21:11:36 <sipa> in the CAddress definition
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2038 2014-03-18 21:30:17 <waxwing> macros are a wonderful thing. make code reading so easy and smooth.
2039 2014-03-18 21:30:25 <Imbue> indeed
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2043 2014-03-18 21:32:20 <felipelalli> Guys, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/ is very deprecated and I can't edit it anymore. The community is thinking about an alternative or not?
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2045 2014-03-18 21:33:13 <sipa> did you pay the anti-dos fee?
2046 2014-03-18 21:33:32 <hearn> felipelalli: yes
2047 2014-03-18 21:33:43 <hearn> felipelalli: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511876.0
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2054 2014-03-18 21:35:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sipa: iirc you can't pay the fee atm
2055 2014-03-18 21:35:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You PM SomeoneWeird instead
2056 2014-03-18 21:35:30 <Apocalyptic> ^
2057 2014-03-18 21:36:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Topic of #bitcoin-wiki: 23:34:47 <gribble> BitcoinPayment is currently broken, PM SomeoneWeird to get approved (leave a message with your username & why you want to edit, timezones are annoying)
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2061 2014-03-18 21:37:37 <sipa> ah
2062 2014-03-18 21:37:48 <tiago> I'm trying to compile bitcoin with gitian and I'm running into a big problem. When gitian is building the dependency tree apt throws loads of errors and the process fails.
2063 2014-03-18 21:37:49 <tiago> The error is like "Failed to fetch http://127.0.0.1:3142/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc6_2.15-0ubuntu10.5_amd64.deb Size mismatch" for every single package apt tried to download,
2064 2014-03-18 21:37:50 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wonders if BlueMatt has pushed 0.9.0 to the ppa yet
2065 2014-03-18 21:37:51 <felipelalli> @sipa the page to pay the fee does not work for new users.
2066 2014-03-18 21:37:57 <tiago> I'm running ubuntu saucy
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2068 2014-03-18 21:38:06 <felipelalli> thank you @hearn
2069 2014-03-18 21:38:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|tiago: during the build?
2070 2014-03-18 21:38:26 <tiago> michagogo|cloud, building the vm
2071 2014-03-18 21:38:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Do you have all of gitian's host-side dependencies, notable apt-cacher-ng?
2072 2014-03-18 21:38:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Notably*
2073 2014-03-18 21:38:56 <tiago> yes
2074 2014-03-18 21:38:58 <tiago> it's running
2075 2014-03-18 21:39:11 <tiago> let me pastebin the entire log
2076 2014-03-18 21:39:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(Are you following the readme in te gitian-builder repo?)
2077 2014-03-18 21:39:15 <tiago> yes
2078 2014-03-18 21:39:32 <tiago> no wait, I'm following the one in the github repo
2079 2014-03-18 21:39:38 <tiago> *bitcoin repo
2080 2014-03-18 21:39:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|tiago: look at gitian-builder's readme
2081 2014-03-18 21:40:09 <tiago> michagogo|cloud, ok, I'll take a look
2082 2014-03-18 21:40:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Follow that, with one modification: add the parameter "--suite precise" to both make-base-vm commands
2083 2014-03-18 21:40:34 <tiago> it's about the same I'm doing
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2086 2014-03-18 21:40:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Once that's done, use Bitcoin's doc/release-process.md
2087 2014-03-18 21:40:59 <tiago> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=cpaybJtw
2088 2014-03-18 21:41:09 <tiago> I'm using LXC though
2089 2014-03-18 21:41:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I think the gitian-descriptors/readme is outdated
2090 2014-03-18 21:41:19 <tiago> I see
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2092 2014-03-18 21:41:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|tiago: okay, so add --lxc to make-base-vm
2093 2014-03-18 21:41:40 <tiago> I did
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2095 2014-03-18 21:41:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|As well as --suite precise
2096 2014-03-18 21:41:50 <tiago> I did, too
2097 2014-03-18 21:42:05 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|looks at the pastebin
2098 2014-03-18 21:42:06 <tiago> seems like it's a problem with the apt-cacher-ng, but I can't see what
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2100 2014-03-18 21:42:25 <tiago> because I tried downloading a few of those packages from the cacher url and it worked
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2106 2014-03-18 21:43:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|tiago: try rerunning it? Also, don't use sudo
2107 2014-03-18 21:44:00 <tiago> maybe it has something to do with me running saucy. I was running 10.2 before and it built the vm with no problem
2108 2014-03-18 21:44:04 <tiago> ok, I'll try
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2110 2014-03-18 21:44:18 <tiago> without sudo. I did rerun it a few times before
2111 2014-03-18 21:44:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|10.2?
2112 2014-03-18 21:44:31 <tiago> iirc
2113 2014-03-18 21:44:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What's that?
2114 2014-03-18 21:44:47 <tiago> no wait
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2116 2014-03-18 21:44:49 <tiago> sorry
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2118 2014-03-18 21:45:09 <tiago> 10.04
2119 2014-03-18 21:45:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah
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2121 2014-03-18 21:45:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Maybe it has to do with saucy, idk
2122 2014-03-18 21:45:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I know that I've done it with precise and raring
2123 2014-03-18 21:46:02 <tiago> I'll try precise then
2124 2014-03-18 21:46:07 <tiago> this is a vm anyway
2125 2014-03-18 21:46:10 <tiago> nested kvm :)
2126 2014-03-18 21:46:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|tiago: I guessed as much from you using lxc
2127 2014-03-18 21:46:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(What's the KVM host?)
2128 2014-03-18 21:46:42 <tiago> manjaro
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2130 2014-03-18 21:46:53 <tiago> I actually got it running with kvm, but it seemed a bit slower
2131 2014-03-18 21:47:03 <tiago> (gitian)
2132 2014-03-18 21:47:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I'd try in saucy without sudo
2133 2014-03-18 21:47:55 <tiago> I did
2134 2014-03-18 21:47:58 <tiago> same error
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2136 2014-03-18 21:48:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hm
2137 2014-03-18 21:48:24 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wonders if devrandom is around
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2140 2014-03-18 21:48:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But yeah, easiest thing to do might be to just spin up a precise vm and do it there
2141 2014-03-18 21:49:02 <tiago> yep, downloading the iso right now
2142 2014-03-18 21:50:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(Make sure the VM is 64-bit, if you don't already know that)
2143 2014-03-18 21:50:40 <tiago> I know that, thanks for the reminder anyway
2144 2014-03-18 21:51:32 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|made that mistake once
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2146 2014-03-18 21:52:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(Before I really knew what lxc was...)
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2150 2014-03-18 21:53:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|tiago: thanks, btw
2151 2014-03-18 21:54:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Always good to see more gbuilders
2152 2014-03-18 21:54:13 <tiago> :)
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2155 2014-03-18 21:54:53 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|hopes int03h as aschildbach will build v0.9.0
2156 2014-03-18 21:55:04 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|s/as/and/
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2163 2014-03-18 21:59:16 <Ghaleon> really seems like blockchain.info is using the [account] functionality for each user
2164 2014-03-18 21:59:35 <sipa> ... they're not even using bitcoind
2165 2014-03-18 21:59:57 <tiago> they are running a custom node
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2167 2014-03-18 22:01:19 <tiago> michagogo|cloud, fixed it in saucy. removed everything in /var/cache/apt-cacher-ng
2168 2014-03-18 22:01:40 <tiago> thanks for the help :)
2169 2014-03-18 22:01:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Nice
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2171 2014-03-18 22:02:25 <devrandom> michagogo|cloud: hey
2172 2014-03-18 22:02:38 <sipa> Ghaleon: the point is you DO need something like account functionality, but not inside bitcoind
2173 2014-03-18 22:02:51 <sipa> Ghaleon: it's just the wrong place to deal with it
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2175 2014-03-18 22:03:27 <sipa> (inefficient, doesn't integrate with backups easily, ..., and it's a bunch of code to maintain that's not doing what most people expect it to do in the first place)
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2179 2014-03-18 22:04:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|devrandom: I was going to ask you if gitian has any known issues with saucy, since make-base-vm was failing for tiago
2180 2014-03-18 22:05:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But I think he resolved it
2181 2014-03-18 22:05:12 <tiago> having some errors again :s
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2183 2014-03-18 22:05:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|tiago: what's up?
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2185 2014-03-18 22:05:38 <tiago> same error, less amount. I'm going to try to fix it again a bit
2186 2014-03-18 22:05:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|tiago: good luck
2187 2014-03-18 22:06:09 <tiago> I'll switch to precise if I can't fix it
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2192 2014-03-18 22:07:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|tiago: if you have problems at any point through to the end of the build, you can ask in here. It's just after midnight here so I'll be going to sleep, but others can help you, and someone will eventually see your messages
2193 2014-03-18 22:08:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(Also, devrandom hangs out here, so for problems with gitian, he may be able to figure it out or even fix the code if necessary)
2194 2014-03-18 22:08:34 <tiago> good night, thank you very much
2195 2014-03-18 22:09:54 <devrandom> michagogo|cloud: that looks like a vmbuilder / deboostrap thing before any of gitian is invoked
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2198 2014-03-18 22:10:14 <devrandom> maybe some kind of incompatibility between apt-cacher-ng and debootstrap
2199 2014-03-18 22:10:28 <devrandom> anybody else on saucy?
2200 2014-03-18 22:11:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|_msg alis list *debootstrap*
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2202 2014-03-18 22:11:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oops
2203 2014-03-18 22:11:25 <aschildbach> michagogo|cloud: Heard my name...
2204 2014-03-18 22:11:54 <aschildbach> Ah, new tag (-:
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2208 2014-03-18 22:12:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Indeed
2209 2014-03-18 22:13:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|An actual release, too
2210 2014-03-18 22:13:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(So much more important to get as many builders as possible)
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2218 2014-03-18 22:16:02 <tiago> bah, switching to precise
2219 2014-03-18 22:17:02 <aschildbach> building
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2233 2014-03-18 22:29:18 <dexX7> i spend quite long time to find out that either i am or bitcoind is unable to broadcast very long (~28 kb) raw transactions, but it's no prob via electrum. was it my fault and if this is the case, what can i do next time differently?
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2238 2014-03-18 22:31:34 <JimJones> did the 0.9 final version got released?
2239 2014-03-18 22:31:35 <JimJones> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/releases/tag/v0.9.0
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2242 2014-03-18 22:34:29 <helo> binaries aren't posted yet, but the code isn't going to change.
2243 2014-03-18 22:36:14 <JimJones> how long devs take to post it on source forge?
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2246 2014-03-18 22:37:07 <gmaxwell> JimJones: It won't be on source forge anymore, in any case the release is just waiting for the deterministic build verifications.
2247 2014-03-18 22:37:31 <JimJones> ah
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2250 2014-03-18 22:39:25 <JimJones> gmaxwell, how long does that usually take? i want to run the bitcoind on my ubuntu server
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2260 2014-03-18 22:42:30 <gmaxwell> JimJones: the release should be out in a few hours.
2261 2014-03-18 22:43:05 <JimJones> oh nic
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2263 2014-03-18 22:43:28 <JimJones> http://getaddr.bitnodes.io/
2264 2014-03-18 22:43:31 <JimJones> so few nodes..
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2267 2014-03-18 22:43:42 <JimJones> last time i checked there were like 21k
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2270 2014-03-18 22:45:11 <dexX7> is this website very accurate?
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2273 2014-03-18 22:47:31 <gmaxwell> It used to be inaccurate, it's probably accurate now.
2274 2014-03-18 22:48:03 <tiago> 9.2k
2275 2014-03-18 22:48:16 <tiago> I don't believe it counts SPV clients though
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2277 2014-03-18 22:48:52 <tiago> because afaik the bitcoin client doesn't give spv client ips when other clients ask for ips
2278 2014-03-18 22:48:54 <gmaxwell> No, of course not.
2279 2014-03-18 22:48:56 <phantomcircuit> JimJones, there have never been 21k connectable nodes
2280 2014-03-18 22:49:27 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, i suspect those numbers are probably still too high
2281 2014-03-18 22:49:29 <phantomcircuit> but maybe not
2282 2014-03-18 22:49:33 <gmaxwell> it actually counts actual bitcoin nodes, which are the source of security and connectivity in the bitcoin system. SPV nodes are just clients.
2283 2014-03-18 22:49:47 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: well they're inflated by things like dynamic ips, but I expect by not much.
2284 2014-03-18 22:49:59 <tiago> there's likely a big amount of android/electrum/etc clients running
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2291 2014-03-18 22:53:27 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: if we make an option to enable localised-BTC, by the same logic we should merge TBC support
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2294 2014-03-18 22:54:11 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: die
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2296 2014-03-18 22:54:31 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: I refuse.
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2301 2014-03-18 22:58:06 <tiago> bitcoin-san :D
2302 2014-03-18 22:58:21 <antephialtic> in p2sh, what is the format for the serialized script
2303 2014-03-18 22:58:23 <antephialtic> ?
2304 2014-03-18 22:58:39 <Luke-Jr> antephialtic: â¦â¦â¦â¦â¦
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2308 2014-03-18 23:00:33 <antephialtic> Luke-Jr: the scriptSig that spends a p2sh output has the form <Signature(s)> <Serialized Script>
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2310 2014-03-18 23:00:44 <antephialtic> how exactly is the script serialized?
2311 2014-03-18 23:00:49 <Luke-Jr> antephialtic: yes, "serialised script" is the format
2312 2014-03-18 23:01:01 <Luke-Jr> the same way it always is
2313 2014-03-18 23:01:19 <Luke-Jr> the point is you need to push the script as data, not just include it inline
2314 2014-03-18 23:01:27 <Luke-Jr> so prefix it with a push opcode
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2320 2014-03-18 23:04:55 <antephialtic> Luke-Jr: thanks, going to look at an example
2321 2014-03-18 23:05:04 <dexX7> what build is /Satoshi:0.9.99/?
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2324 2014-03-18 23:05:30 <Luke-Jr> dexX7: master, at least as of a week or so ago
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2327 2014-03-18 23:07:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dexX7: re: large transactions
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2329 2014-03-18 23:07:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Are you getting "decode failed"?
2330 2014-03-18 23:07:36 <aschildbach> https://github.com/bitcoin/gitian.sigs/pull/23
2331 2014-03-18 23:07:50 <dexX7> michagogo|cloud: yes, that too
2332 2014-03-18 23:08:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dexX7: the issue is that the debug console and command line limit the length of lines, if I'm not mistaken
2333 2014-03-18 23:08:36 <dexX7> but i think this only appeary within the -qt debug window. real rpc commands went through, but sending failed nevertheless, if i remember correctly
2334 2014-03-18 23:09:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(Maybe not the command line, but definitely the GUI's debug console text box)
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2337 2014-03-18 23:11:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What I usually do in that case is use my ruby debug console -- I have a script that basically defines the bitcoinrpc class from somewhere on the wiki
2338 2014-03-18 23:11:04 <dexX7> decoding via rpc worked, sending not
2339 2014-03-18 23:11:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And also requires the 'clipboard' ruby gem
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2342 2014-03-18 23:11:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And then I have a 1-line batch file that calls irb and requires that script
2343 2014-03-18 23:12:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(Oh, the script also has a new_btc method that creates the bitcoinrpc object)
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2345 2014-03-18 23:12:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|So I type BTC into the command line, which puts me into irb
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2347 2014-03-18 23:13:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And then I just say something like b=new_rpc
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2349 2014-03-18 23:13:33 <dexX7> and that workaround works? kinda odd ;)
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2352 2014-03-18 23:13:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And then I can, for example, do this: b.sendrawtransaction(Clipboard.paste)
2353 2014-03-18 23:14:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dexX7: it's not a workaround
2354 2014-03-18 23:14:13 <dexX7> anyway, fetching the tx via getrawtransaction works fine within the debug window, even with verbose
2355 2014-03-18 23:14:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It's an RPC client
2356 2014-03-18 23:14:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yes, you can fetch it
2357 2014-03-18 23:14:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The length limit is on the text entry box
2358 2014-03-18 23:14:52 <dexX7> i see. well, as mentioned: decoding via rpc worked, sending not
2359 2014-03-18 23:14:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Wait a minute
2360 2014-03-18 23:15:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If you can getrawtransaction, of course sendrawtransaction will fail
2361 2014-03-18 23:15:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It already has that transaction
2362 2014-03-18 23:15:36 <dexX7> the tx is now already broadcasted via electrum
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2364 2014-03-18 23:15:41 <dexX7> that's why :)
2365 2014-03-18 23:16:04 <dexX7> but this is still annoying.. wah i hate this -22 error >_>"
2366 2014-03-18 23:16:24 <dexX7> but i guess i shouldn't complain, if i'm unable to fix it myself
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2368 2014-03-18 23:17:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dexX7: you'll get that error if the transaction is already known
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2370 2014-03-18 23:18:22 <dexX7> yes, then too. but in the earlier case all i tried was sending via rpc via sendrawtransaction which didn't work with bitcoind, but later within the electum console
2371 2014-03-18 23:18:40 <dexX7> even luke-jr's magic box didn't accept the tx ;)
2372 2014-03-18 23:19:24 <Luke-Jr> want to volunteer to investigate magic box failures? :P
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2376 2014-03-18 23:21:00 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, que
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2381 2014-03-18 23:22:57 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: wat?
2382 2014-03-18 23:23:06 <phantomcircuit> magic box failures
2383 2014-03-18 23:23:15 <Luke-Jr> what about them?
2384 2014-03-18 23:23:22 <phantomcircuit> what does that even mean
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2386 2014-03-18 23:23:37 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: I presume it refers to submitting transactions to eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/pushtxn.php
2387 2014-03-18 23:23:53 <phantomcircuit> oh
2388 2014-03-18 23:25:09 <dexX7> i think it's not the box but the underlying system which may fail due to a similar reason bitcoind via rpc does fail, too
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2390 2014-03-18 23:25:32 <Luke-Jr> dexX7: most likely
2391 2014-03-18 23:26:04 <Luke-Jr> dexX7: but someone to field issues with that would be helpful :D
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