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  27 2014-03-23 00:53:48 <Ghaleon_> garzik, this is a separate utility or part of bitcoind ?
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  31 2014-03-23 00:55:29 <sipa> yes
  32 2014-03-23 00:56:19 <Luke-Jr> lol
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  38 2014-03-23 01:04:06 <SenseiV183> http://pastebin.com/qVE8vELE
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  40 2014-03-23 01:07:52 <SenseiV183> ^^^^ Compiles for a few minutes and then stops without an error returns me to shell prompt.
  41 2014-03-23 01:08:21 <SenseiV183> A lot of no's in the QT section.
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  75 2014-03-23 01:45:25 <Ghaleon_> compiling bitcoin0.9.0 on ubuntu has failed.... waiting for 0.9.0 ppa
  76 2014-03-23 01:46:35 <SenseiV183> No one has done it?
  77 2014-03-23 01:46:53 <olalonde> don't need to wait for PPA… aren't there pre-compiled binaries on bitcoin.org?
  78 2014-03-23 01:47:23 <SenseiV183> I'm about to get a binary.  But still want to compile.
  79 2014-03-23 01:47:46 <olalonde> mmm bitcoin.org really needs a clear download button somewhere in their menu
  80 2014-03-23 01:47:57 <SenseiV183> lol
  81 2014-03-23 01:48:12 <SenseiV183> Get Started > Choose your Wallet
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  83 2014-03-23 01:48:33 <SenseiV183> bitcoin core
  84 2014-03-23 01:48:54 <olalonde> yes I know… I was just commenting on what I think would be an improvement to the UI
  85 2014-03-23 01:49:06 <sipa> olalonde: bitcoin.org is not just about the reference client
  86 2014-03-23 01:49:22 <SenseiV183> olalonde, I was giving an example of how hidden it is.
  87 2014-03-23 01:49:23 <sipa> SenseiV183: what's the problem with compiling?
  88 2014-03-23 01:49:43 <olalonde> sipa: I understand but still, my guess is that a lot of people go to bitcoin.org to download a client
  89 2014-03-23 01:49:45 <SenseiV183> sipa, Scroll up a page to my pastebin
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  92 2014-03-23 01:50:25 <olalonde> sipa: I'm not a usability expert but maybe an A/B test would prove me right :)
  93 2014-03-23 01:50:57 <sipa> SenseiV183: looks all good
  94 2014-03-23 01:51:04 <SenseiV183> ok
  95 2014-03-23 01:51:15 <sipa> SenseiV183: what is the problem?
  96 2014-03-23 01:51:41 <sipa> olalonde: there's no download button on bittorrent.org either
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  98 2014-03-23 01:52:13 <sipa> olalonde: i think what we need is a seprate site dedicated to the reference client
  99 2014-03-23 01:52:15 <SenseiV183> I don't want to use --with-incompatible-bdb wumpus, created an issue for me https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3921
 100 2014-03-23 01:52:27 <sipa> olalonde: with a big download button :)
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 102 2014-03-23 01:52:51 <sipa> SenseiV183: ok
 103 2014-03-23 01:53:04 <sipa> SenseiV183: but you can still compile, no?
 104 2014-03-23 01:53:10 <SenseiV183> No
 105 2014-03-23 01:53:16 <olalonde> god it's hard to make casual comments in this channel without people getting so defensive -_-
 106 2014-03-23 01:53:19 <sipa> why not?
 107 2014-03-23 01:53:29 <sipa> olalonde: sorry, not intentional :)
 108 2014-03-23 01:53:42 <sipa> olalonde: it's just something that has been brought up many times :)
 109 2014-03-23 01:53:53 <olalonde> ok no problem
 110 2014-03-23 01:54:18 <sipa> SenseiV183: that configure run seems to complete fine
 111 2014-03-23 01:54:42 <olalonde> the other day I was asking some questions about block timestamp verification and I felt like I was Bitcoin's official enemy #1 for a few minutes haha
 112 2014-03-23 01:54:51 <SenseiV183> I've just had no luck so far sipa
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 114 2014-03-23 01:54:59 <olalonde> I understand many questions come over and over again
 115 2014-03-23 01:55:00 <sipa> SenseiV183: but what is the problem?
 116 2014-03-23 01:56:04 <SenseiV183> sipa, I'll get the whole output in a pastebin.  I should have done that from the beginning but I wanted to know why the qt section had so many "no"'s
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 118 2014-03-23 01:56:47 <sipa> because it is tryingtonsnof things
 119 2014-03-23 01:56:50 <sipa> and most fail
 120 2014-03-23 01:56:56 <sipa> that's perfectly normal
 121 2014-03-23 01:57:08 <sipa> as long as it finds something that works for each needed component
 122 2014-03-23 01:58:02 <sipa> does it end up creating a makefile?
 123 2014-03-23 01:58:13 <sipa> or does it just finish after that output?
 124 2014-03-23 01:58:59 <sipa> it looks for lrease-qt5, lrelease5 and lrelease
 125 2014-03-23 01:59:16 <sipa> and the last one works, so it continues and all is well
 126 2014-03-23 02:00:47 <SenseiV183> It stops comiling.  Whole output coming in 30 seconds.
 127 2014-03-23 02:01:22 <SenseiV183> sipa, http://pastebin.com/4fn0mtF3
 128 2014-03-23 02:01:47 <sipa> ehm
 129 2014-03-23 02:01:53 <sipa> you never started conpiling
 130 2014-03-23 02:02:04 <SenseiV183> building
 131 2014-03-23 02:02:04 <sipa> after configuring, you need to run make
 132 2014-03-23 02:02:17 <SenseiV183> I know that hehehehe
 133 2014-03-23 02:02:29 <SenseiV183> I've got tired.
 134 2014-03-23 02:02:32 <SenseiV183> oops
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 137 2014-03-23 02:03:34 <SenseiV183> making now with make -j2
 138 2014-03-23 02:05:44 * SenseiV183 is away: Be back after the build works or doesn't work.  I hope it does...
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 151 2014-03-23 02:12:43 <TYDIRocks> Can I only increase the keypool of a new wallet?
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 154 2014-03-23 02:14:11 <sipa> TYDIRocks: no, there's a config option for the keypool size
 155 2014-03-23 02:14:22 <sipa> which will increase it to at least the number set
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 161 2014-03-23 02:16:39 <TYDIRocks> how? I get an error when running in the console of the qt
 162 2014-03-23 02:17:01 <sipa> what error?
 163 2014-03-23 02:17:08 <sipa> and what are you doing in the console
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 166 2014-03-23 02:17:49 <sipa> -keypoolsize or so
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 168 2014-03-23 02:19:13 <TYDIRocks> Method not found (code -32601)
 169 2014-03-23 02:19:40 <sipa> well what are you typing?
 170 2014-03-23 02:20:00 <TYDIRocks> I tried keypool 600, keypool=600 and -keypool 600
 171 2014-03-23 02:20:09 <sipa> ...
 172 2014-03-23 02:20:17 <sipa> those are config settings
 173 2014-03-23 02:20:25 <sipa> not rpc commands
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 176 2014-03-23 02:20:34 <sipa> pass them on the command line or in the config file
 177 2014-03-23 02:20:39 <sipa> not in the console
 178 2014-03-23 02:20:39 <TYDIRocks> Is there an rpc command for it?
 179 2014-03-23 02:20:42 <TYDIRocks> Is it keypoolrefill?
 180 2014-03-23 02:20:47 <sipa> oh
 181 2014-03-23 02:20:49 <sipa> hmmm
 182 2014-03-23 02:20:57 <sipa> maybe something like that was recently added
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 184 2014-03-23 02:21:05 <sipa> type help :)
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 186 2014-03-23 02:21:36 <TYDIRocks> I did, keypoolrefill is one of what came up
 187 2014-03-23 02:21:49 <sipa> cool
 188 2014-03-23 02:21:58 <sipa> type 'help keypoolrefill' :)
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 190 2014-03-23 02:22:34 <TYDIRocks> Alright seems to be what I need haha.
 191 2014-03-23 02:23:13 <TYDIRocks> Also I had a vb.net program that shelled the bitcoind to easily add private keys. It seems to not work now with 0.9, it asks me to make a bitcoin.conf. Should I be using bitcoind or bitcoin-cli to do this?
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 193 2014-03-23 02:24:12 <sipa> without bitcoin.conf it shouldn't ever have worked
 194 2014-03-23 02:24:24 <sipa> bitcoind and bitcoin-cli should both work
 195 2014-03-23 02:24:31 <TYDIRocks> It worked before
 196 2014-03-23 02:24:34 <sipa> but this functionality will be removed from bitcoind
 197 2014-03-23 02:24:50 <sipa> in a future version
 198 2014-03-23 02:25:26 <TYDIRocks> Actually I know the problem, forgot that last time I ran this I was still using the default dir
 199 2014-03-23 02:25:34 <TYDIRocks> Because I didn't change any files
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 204 2014-03-23 02:32:00 <Luke-Jr> anyone want an easy yet very helpful bitcoin core patch to write?
 205 2014-03-23 02:32:13 <Luke-Jr> (newbies looking to get into Bitcoin dev, this is for you!)
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 208 2014-03-23 02:34:01 <sipa> Luke-Jr: maybe it makes sense to have a label on issues "suggested for beginners" or something?
 209 2014-03-23 02:35:09 <Luke-Jr> sipa: good idea. I wish non-committers could use labels.
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 211 2014-03-23 02:37:31 <TYDIRocks> I would if I had better programming knowledge :p
 212 2014-03-23 02:38:13 <Luke-Jr> TYDIRocks: you don't know any C++?
 213 2014-03-23 02:38:19 <Luke-Jr> or even C might be sufficient for this
 214 2014-03-23 02:38:38 <Luke-Jr> I'm tempted to do it, but I don't want to steal a good n00b project :P
 215 2014-03-23 02:38:40 <TYDIRocks> I took a High school C++ class 3 years ago
 216 2014-03-23 02:38:54 <TYDIRocks> That's it :p
 217 2014-03-23 02:39:03 <Luke-Jr> TYDIRocks: good enough, if you remember it
 218 2014-03-23 02:39:15 <Luke-Jr> basically, the idea is to encrypt the blockchain
 219 2014-03-23 02:39:31 <TYDIRocks> We didn't even get to encryption in the class heh
 220 2014-03-23 02:40:01 <Luke-Jr> …
 221 2014-03-23 02:40:06 <Luke-Jr> "encrypt"
 222 2014-03-23 02:40:13 <Luke-Jr> it doesn't have to be strong
 223 2014-03-23 02:40:24 <Luke-Jr> just pick some 64-bit seed and XOR all the data with it
 224 2014-03-23 02:40:31 <Luke-Jr> before writing/readign
 225 2014-03-23 02:41:24 <TYDIRocks> Yeah, I'm just saying I don't remember much from that class and my teacher sucked :\
 226 2014-03-23 02:41:39 <TYDIRocks> She felt having us rewrite our code on paper was more important than learning stuff
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 236 2014-03-23 02:59:54 <LarsLarsen> luke: why on earth would you want that?
 237 2014-03-23 03:00:30 <LarsLarsen> luke: hide from malware?
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 242 2014-03-23 03:05:24 <SenseiV183> sipa, Spam my away status?
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 246 2014-03-23 03:10:04 <SenseiV183> Bit shifting is simple encryption, however I'm no longer fluent in any language.  Python seems to be the most handy and universal thing for the light programming I'd end up learning before diving back in to C++ from decades ago...
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 248 2014-03-23 03:11:45 <SenseiV183> sipa, So it compiled in about 57 minutes and it built bitcoind and bitcoin-cli but not bitcoin-qt.
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 254 2014-03-23 03:15:49 <LarsLarsen> I haz xor skillz yo,  but I am not convinced that the blockchain needs to be trivially encrypted
 255 2014-03-23 03:15:50 <LarsLarsen> :)
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 259 2014-03-23 03:20:08 <TYDIRocks> How come when I create a multisig using createmultisig in the debug console it works, but the same command returns a "error parsing JSON" when doing it in the normal windows command line?
 260 2014-03-23 03:20:47 <Luke-Jr> TYDIRocks: normal windows command line is a JSON-RPC client?
 261 2014-03-23 03:20:57 <gmaxwell> you have to find the right mixture of escaping probably some extra backslashes.
 262 2014-03-23 03:21:35 <TYDIRocks> Well importprivkey works fine but multisig doesn't for some reason
 263 2014-03-23 03:21:56 <gmaxwell> multisig takes an array, importprivkey does not.
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 280 2014-03-23 03:30:56 <SenseiV183> sipa, Ahhh  I turned off announce away in xchat.  Anyone can tell me if the "show away once" option writes away in channel?
 281 2014-03-23 03:31:53 <SenseiV183> Nevermind
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 283 2014-03-23 03:34:59 <SenseiV183> Just trying to to be a sackhead...  http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
 284 2014-03-23 03:35:19 <SenseiV183> ^ trying not to be.
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 294 2014-03-23 03:42:05 <jgarzik> sipa, multiple hosts say
 295 2014-03-23 03:42:07 <jgarzik> [garzik@havoc ~]$ ping seed.bitcoin.sipa.be
 296 2014-03-23 03:42:07 <jgarzik> ping: unknown host seed.bitcoin.sipa.be
 297 2014-03-23 03:42:17 <jgarzik> and dig'ing that obviously fails too
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 489 2014-03-23 07:02:55 <melik> hello everyone where can i find a list of all irregular bitcoin transactions like nonstandard, multisig, etc
 490 2014-03-23 07:03:08 <melik> is there a compiled list of these?
 491 2014-03-23 07:03:15 <Luke-Jr> source code
 492 2014-03-23 07:03:17 <Luke-Jr> as with everything else
 493 2014-03-23 07:04:01 <melik> Luke-Jr, i dont mean to be rude; but i was just hoping there was a compiled list that didnt require me to go through thousands of lines of code
 494 2014-03-23 07:04:17 <melik> we have a script that parses through bitcoind's API but its quite slow
 495 2014-03-23 07:04:31 <Luke-Jr> src/script.cpp, near the top
 496 2014-03-23 07:04:34 <melik> ah
 497 2014-03-23 07:04:36 <Luke-Jr> GetTxnOutputType
 498 2014-03-23 07:04:40 <Luke-Jr> note it's not fixed
 499 2014-03-23 07:04:48 <Luke-Jr> just an arbitrary classification that can change any time
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 501 2014-03-23 07:06:25 <melik> cool this helps Luke-Jr
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 507 2014-03-23 07:18:30 <amstertran> i created a rawtx and took the hex and ran it through pybitcointools deserialize and i got some json.
 508 2014-03-23 07:18:51 <amstertran> then saved that json into a file and ran pybitcointools serialize, but i'm getting an error
 509 2014-03-23 07:18:51 <amstertran> . TypeError: string indices must be integers, not str
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 522 2014-03-23 07:41:30 <shesek> amstertran, it would help if you pasted that json somewhere
 523 2014-03-23 07:42:36 <amstertran> shesek: it was outputed directly by the deserialize function so i assume it's exactly what the serialize function is looking for.
 524 2014-03-23 07:42:53 <amstertran> im wondering if theres a flag or something i missed
 525 2014-03-23 07:43:07 <amstertran> or if the function doesn't take a file
 526 2014-03-23 07:46:22 <amstertran> http://pastebin.com/6s2fApzi
 527 2014-03-23 07:46:51 <amstertran> it's i removed the info, but like i said. the format hasn't changed from what deserialize outputs
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 532 2014-03-23 07:51:15 <Luke-Jr> what info?
 533 2014-03-23 07:51:51 <Luke-Jr> "hash": "txid" <-- this is obviously wrong
 534 2014-03-23 07:52:17 <amstertran> lol ya
 535 2014-03-23 07:52:20 <amstertran> i removed
 536 2014-03-23 07:52:21 <amstertran> it
 537 2014-03-23 07:53:21 <amstertran> can i even send a file to the serialize function?
 538 2014-03-23 07:53:24 <amstertran> ./pybtctool serialize tx.json
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 546 2014-03-23 08:04:31 <Luke-Jr> amstertran: you can't serialise an invalid transaction. txid is needed for every input.
 547 2014-03-23 08:05:06 <amstertran> i only removed it for the pastebin
 548 2014-03-23 08:05:21 <Luke-Jr> oh ok
 549 2014-03-23 08:05:39 <amstertran> do i pass a file with the json to the function?
 550 2014-03-23 08:05:45 <amstertran> is that the correct syntax
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 568 2014-03-23 08:25:28 <fabe> hi im wondering if anyone can help me understand this
 569 2014-03-23 08:25:30 <fabe> http://pastebin.com/afGNsw9z
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 571 2014-03-23 08:26:03 <Luke-Jr> fabe: what about it?
 572 2014-03-23 08:26:07 <fabe> the transaction fee is not what i set and negative balance wtf?
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 574 2014-03-23 08:26:36 <Luke-Jr> fabe: settxfee only sets the *minimum* tx fee
 575 2014-03-23 08:26:39 <fabe> i sent all the funds form "foo" to test_a and test_b
 576 2014-03-23 08:26:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Luke-Jr: how come you want to sort-of hide the blockchain on disk?
 577 2014-03-23 08:27:17 <Luke-Jr> michagogo|cloud: because right now, if L.E. seizes your hard drive, you will get locked up for CP until you prove yourself innocent
 578 2014-03-23 08:27:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Also, Matt knows 0.9.0 is out, he said he's on it
 579 2014-03-23 08:27:27 <Luke-Jr> regardless of why they seized it
 580 2014-03-23 08:27:36 <fabe> how am i to understand the negative balance?
 581 2014-03-23 08:27:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Luke-Jr: uh, what? Is there *actual* CP in there?
 582 2014-03-23 08:27:49 <fabe> surely i cant have -bitcoins
 583 2014-03-23 08:28:14 <Luke-Jr> fabe: I would say it's a bug that the fee came out of the sendmany-named account
 584 2014-03-23 08:28:26 <Luke-Jr> fabe: you're looking at accounts there, they can be negative.
 585 2014-03-23 08:28:32 <Luke-Jr> michagogo|cloud: on namecoin there is
 586 2014-03-23 08:28:38 <Luke-Jr> michagogo|cloud: or at least a false positive
 587 2014-03-23 08:28:45 <Luke-Jr> michagogo|cloud: they automate the scan for it
 588 2014-03-23 08:28:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|A false positive? o_O
 589 2014-03-23 08:29:00 <Luke-Jr> (which is why they'll pick it up even if they aren't investigating you for CP)
 590 2014-03-23 08:29:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What does the scan look got?
 591 2014-03-23 08:29:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|For*
 592 2014-03-23 08:29:19 <Luke-Jr> michagogo|cloud: I have no idea what algorithms they use, but supposedly it flags namecoin
 593 2014-03-23 08:29:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Odd
 594 2014-03-23 08:29:33 <Luke-Jr> laymen like us can't even get the scanning software
 595 2014-03-23 08:29:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|So the purpose of the XOR is just to hide from the auto scanner?
 596 2014-03-23 08:30:04 <Luke-Jr> pretty much
 597 2014-03-23 08:30:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|They could trivially decrypt, but if they do that they know what it is and it won't happen automatically, I guess
 598 2014-03-23 08:30:44 <Luke-Jr> exactly
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 640 2014-03-23 09:21:22 <hno> What's CP?
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 643 2014-03-23 09:23:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|hno: child pornography
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 656 2014-03-23 09:47:16 <luisivan> Hi all! I coathored a paper about a P2P Bitcoin exchange (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6482663) and now I'm looking for a Bitcoin developer to hire, we're a Bitcoin startup with >1M€ funding in Switzerland developing a trading-related product
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 658 2014-03-23 09:47:46 <luisivan> If you may be interested please reach me at me@luisivan.net :)
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 718 2014-03-23 10:39:38 <melik> is there any way i can find the raw hex data of the first transaction in the blockchain
 719 2014-03-23 10:40:01 <melik> getrawtransaction obviously doesn't work, but do we have a
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 721 2014-03-23 10:40:12 <melik> another way of finding it*
 722 2014-03-23 10:40:39 <ribasushi> melik: "obviously doesn't work" ?
 723 2014-03-23 10:41:08 <melik> ribasushi, i was wondering if anyone was able to manually hardcode it
 724 2014-03-23 10:41:32 <ribasushi> melik: your question is unclear - rephrase please
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 726 2014-03-23 10:44:30 <fanquake> melik http://pastebin.com/Af4TA4Sz
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 730 2014-03-23 10:47:41 <darsie> hi
 731 2014-03-23 10:47:47 <Krellan> question: is there currently any support for having a whitelisted range of IP addresses that would *always* be permitted to connect, regardless of max connection count?
 732 2014-03-23 10:47:55 <darsie> Is bitcoin stable? If so, why is the version <1?
 733 2014-03-23 10:48:02 <Krellan> I'm thinking something like -connectallowip= (like -rpcallowip= works now)
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 737 2014-03-23 10:49:10 <Krellan> If there's already support in bitcoind for this, let me know, otherwise it would be a worthy addition to my list of low-hanging fruit
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 756 2014-03-23 10:54:25 <melik> fanquake, yes i saw that, i was just wondering if someone ever converted that to the way bitcoind outputs the raw transaction data
 757 2014-03-23 10:54:25 <melik> sorry i hope this makes sense
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 768 2014-03-23 10:54:28 <melik> im just wondering how do i get the 'coinbase' of that transaction
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 783 2014-03-23 10:56:08 <paveljanik> melik: Ken Shirriff's article: http://www.righto.com/2014/02/ascii-bernanke-wikileaks-photographs.html#ref2
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 806 2014-03-23 10:58:56 <paveljanik> melik: or you can read Bitcoin Core's chainparams.cpp, line 116 and below
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 810 2014-03-23 11:02:40 <olalonde> morgen
 811 2014-03-23 11:04:01 <paveljanik> melik: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/b8d9058a4d1ce28eefa65aa3339bcc52b3c014e9/src/chainparams.cpp
 812 2014-03-23 11:04:05 <melik> yes im there paveljanik
 813 2014-03-23 11:04:15 <melik> why did he do this! :(
 814 2014-03-23 11:04:35 <paveljanik> what?
 815 2014-03-23 11:05:08 <melik> paveljanik, i guess ill just have to hard-code it in
 816 2014-03-23 11:05:28 <paveljanik> and waht are you doing?
 817 2014-03-23 11:06:19 <paveljanik> why hardcode it? Just fetch the genesis block from the network.
 818 2014-03-23 11:06:49 <melik> paveljanik, yeah i can get the block; ill just have to hardcode that transaction in
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 881 2014-03-23 12:00:13 <aynstein> Krellan: there is and i am happy to discuss it with you in the normal #bitcoin, this is about developing
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 885 2014-03-23 12:08:21 <olalonde> are there bitcoin clients that have good CLI support apart from bitcoin core?
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 927 2014-03-23 13:10:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|13:05:06 <paveljanik> why hardcode it? Just fetch the genesis block from the network.
 928 2014-03-23 13:10:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You can't do that
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 930 2014-03-23 13:11:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Because of the way the genesis block is coded in, the block and its coinbase transaction effectively do not exist
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 945 2014-03-23 13:23:05 <sipa> michagogo|cloud: other way of explaining it: if you didn't hardcode the genesis block, how would a node know what to start asking for?
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 981 2014-03-23 13:56:36 <buZz> WAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 982 2014-03-23 13:56:40 <buZz> 'bitcoin core client'
 983 2014-03-23 13:56:51 <buZz> who has been smoking a little too much opium?
 984 2014-03-23 13:57:11 <sipa> ?
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 986 2014-03-23 13:57:48 <buZz> 14:54:54 < jwinterm> bitcoin core client is the new official name
 987 2014-03-23 13:57:48 <buZz> 14:54:57 < jwinterm> for bitcoin-qt
 988 2014-03-23 13:58:30 <sipa> surely it's better than naming it after the toolkit the gui was written for :)
 989 2014-03-23 13:59:01 <buZz> its just a poser move
 990 2014-03-23 13:59:12 <sipa>  poser?
 991 2014-03-23 13:59:19 <buZz> Bitcoin 2000 Ultimate Core
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 995 2014-03-23 13:59:44 <sipa> for workgroups
 996 2014-03-23 13:59:46 <buZz> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=poser&defid=128262
 997 2014-03-23 13:59:59 <sipa> webscale edition
 998 2014-03-23 14:00:08 <buZz> cloudenabled
 999 2014-03-23 14:00:22 <buZz> ActiveBitcoin
1000 2014-03-23 14:00:26 <sipa> haha
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1002 2014-03-23 14:00:32 <buZz> .jar
1003 2014-03-23 14:01:01 <buZz> imho the qt is just a frontend
1004 2014-03-23 14:01:47 <sipa> the relation between qt, bitvoind, satoshi codebase, reference client, ... was just unclear
1005 2014-03-23 14:01:53 <halifax> question for dev
1006 2014-03-23 14:01:58 <halifax> can there be 2 bitcoin addresses that are similar, if so, does that mean you can one day, loose your coins?
1007 2014-03-23 14:02:21 <sipa> and just naming it 'bitcoin' is just too generic with the several client codebases in existence
1008 2014-03-23 14:02:24 <buZz> sipa: i dont think just changing name to 'core' fixes any of that :D
1009 2014-03-23 14:02:34 <sipa> buZz: it gives it all branding
1010 2014-03-23 14:02:40 <buZz> branding :D
1011 2014-03-23 14:02:53 <sipa> yeah, something recognizable to identify it
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1013 2014-03-23 14:03:42 <sipa> halifax: if there are two private keys with the same address, they can both be used to spend eachothers coins
1014 2014-03-23 14:04:10 <buZz> sipa: should have just called it StarBucks
1015 2014-03-23 14:04:10 <sipa> halifax: the odds for that ever occuring is less than you being hit by an asteroid in the next second, though
1016 2014-03-23 14:04:21 <buZz> and the QT client 'Strawberry'
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1018 2014-03-23 14:04:24 <buZz> that'll teach em
1019 2014-03-23 14:04:32 <sipa> k
1020 2014-03-23 14:05:01 <buZz> and change bitcoind name to 0dayhaxenabler
1021 2014-03-23 14:05:15 * buZz is so good at branding :)
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1024 2014-03-23 14:16:36 <halifax> what I'm trying to get at is this.. even though chances for 2 people having the same key is so small .. wont it make sense adding a feature that checks if an address is in use or not.. that can be called from any wallet , web or not
1025 2014-03-23 14:18:36 <sipa> there is no communication with the network for creating an address
1026 2014-03-23 14:18:46 <sipa> so that is not possible
1027 2014-03-23 14:19:08 <sipa> and even just checking all used addresses would add significant burden to network nodes
1028 2014-03-23 14:19:17 <sipa> it is also completely unnecessary
1029 2014-03-23 14:20:29 <sipa> it is just "small chance"... it is a chance that is so slow that you can pretty much include *any* other key theft mechanism more likely
1030 2014-03-23 14:21:31 <sipa> as i said, it is meteorite-on-head-now a chance
1031 2014-03-23 14:25:09 <berndj> sipa, that said, i think these days git checks for sha1 collisions
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1033 2014-03-23 14:25:54 <sipa> sha1 collisions are orders of magnitude easier too :)
1034 2014-03-23 14:26:10 <sipa> also, we don't technica
1035 2014-03-23 14:26:19 <sipa> lly care about collisions
1036 2014-03-23 14:26:38 <tiago> halifax: I don't think you understand how small the chance is
1037 2014-03-23 14:26:39 <berndj> and collisions in git are a zillion times easier to check that bitcoin address collisions
1038 2014-03-23 14:26:46 <sipa> but about preimages of addresses with preexisting coins assigned to them
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1042 2014-03-23 14:28:43 <tiago> halifax: There are about 115792089237316195423570985008687907852837564279074904382605163141518161494337 possible private keys
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1046 2014-03-23 14:29:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Not "about", "exactly"
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1051 2014-03-23 14:30:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|A private key is a number between 0x1 and 0xFFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFF FFFE BAAE DCE6 AF48 A03B BFD2 5E8C D036 4141, which in base 10 is 115792089237316195423570985008687907852837564279074904382605163141518161494337
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1053 2014-03-23 14:31:13 <tiago> yes
1054 2014-03-23 14:31:38 <tiago> that's a lot of keys
1055 2014-03-23 14:31:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Or if you prefer words, 115 quattuorvigintillion 792 trevigintillion 89 duovigintillion 237 unvigintillion 316 vigintillion 195 novemdecillion 423 octodecillion 570 septendecillion 985 sexdecillion 8 quindecillion 687 quattuordecillion 907 tredecillion 852 duodecillion 837 undecillion 564 decillion 279 nonillion 74 octillion 904 septillion 382 sextillion 605
1056 2014-03-23 14:31:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|quintillion 163 quadrillion 141 trillion 518 billion 161 million 494 thousand 337
1057 2014-03-23 14:32:19 <hearn> I prefer "1 with 78 zeros after it, roughly"
1058 2014-03-23 14:32:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(Thank you, WolframAlpha)
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1064 2014-03-23 14:36:44 <tiago> about 1.15x10^52 keys for every grain of sand in the world
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1078 2014-03-23 14:45:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And each address has more than 79 octillion private keys that can spend coins sent to it
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1092 2014-03-23 14:56:15 <sl01> does the coin control in 0.9 allow you to see linked addresses?
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1095 2014-03-23 15:00:18 <sipa> michagogo|cloud: one less, i think :D
1096 2014-03-23 15:00:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sipa: hm?
1097 2014-03-23 15:00:50 <sipa> that hex number is the curve order
1098 2014-03-23 15:01:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Is "between" exclusive or something?
1099 2014-03-23 15:01:02 <sipa> private keys are modulo the order, never equal to it
1100 2014-03-23 15:01:29 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|slaps the wiki around a bit with a large trout
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1105 2014-03-23 15:10:11 <runeks> halifax: The chance of winning the Powerball lottery jackpot ($100 million) is around 1 in 175 million. If every person on earth (7 billion people) were to set their computers to generate one million Bitcoin addresses per second, the chance of two people generating the same address within 100 years would be the same as someone winning the Powerball lottery TWICE (which has never happened, ever).
1106 2014-03-23 15:13:44 <halifax> runeks: good one
1107 2014-03-23 15:13:55 <runeks> halifax: Puts it in perspective :)
1108 2014-03-23 15:14:04 <runeks> Instead of just seeing numbers on a screen
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1110 2014-03-23 15:16:19 <halifax> runeks: it does, will post it on reddit!
1111 2014-03-23 15:16:53 <runeks> Cool. I'm pretty sure the math checks out (within an order of magnitude or two). But I guess I'll know for sure if you post it on reddit :)
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1113 2014-03-23 15:20:15 <runeks> halifax: It might also be worth noting that it'd use up around half of the world's anually produced energy to do so (absent any special-purpose hardware).
1114 2014-03-23 15:20:59 <runeks> I mean, just running the things. Doesn't include actually producing 7,000,000,000 PCs
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1117 2014-03-23 15:23:34 <halifax> runeks: there are some that who have their own theory about this now on reddit
1118 2014-03-23 15:23:47 <runeks> halifax: Link?
1119 2014-03-23 15:24:49 <halifax> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/215gsv/can_two_people_accidentally_generate_the_same/
1120 2014-03-23 15:24:53 <halifax> upvote
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1126 2014-03-23 15:31:56 <Ghaleon> 0.9.0 sure would be awesome...
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1129 2014-03-23 15:33:46 <Ghaleon> for ubuntu... ppa...
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1165 2014-03-23 16:00:40 <bmatusiak> anybody offering help with gitian?
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1173 2014-03-23 16:06:55 <darsie> Compiling 0.9.0 fails with configure: error: Could not link against boost_chrono-mt !
1174 2014-03-23 16:07:11 <darsie> I have /usr/lib/libboost_chrono.so
1175 2014-03-23 16:07:27 <darsie> /usr/lib/libboost_chrono-mt.so
1176 2014-03-23 16:07:53 <darsie> Binaries don't work, either, cause I have libc6 2.13
1177 2014-03-23 16:07:59 <darsie> I'm on debian 7.4
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1179 2014-03-23 16:09:43 <darsie> Before that I tried with 'git clone https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git bitcoin', 'git checkout v0.9.0'
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1183 2014-03-23 16:12:19 <darsie> Then I tried with https://bitcoin.org/bin/0.9.0/bitcoin-0.9.0-linux.tar.gz
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1190 2014-03-23 16:18:23 <darsie> I disconnected. What was my last message? Any replies?
1191 2014-03-23 16:18:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|bmatusiak: What's up?
1192 2014-03-23 16:18:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|darsie: last was 18:11:06 <darsie> Then I tried with https://bitcoin.org/bin/0.9.0/bitcoin-0.9.0-linux.tar.gz
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1194 2014-03-23 16:18:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|no answers since then
1195 2014-03-23 16:18:54 <darsie> thx
1196 2014-03-23 16:19:04 <darsie> !seen darsie
1197 2014-03-23 16:19:04 <gribble> darsie was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 9 seconds ago: <darsie> thx
1198 2014-03-23 16:19:19 <bmatusiak> michagogo|cloud,  here is a issue i posted on litecoin,  https://github.com/litecoin-project/litecoin/issues/139
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1202 2014-03-23 16:20:12 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|bmatusiak: `tail -n1000 var/build.log | pastebinit`
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1205 2014-03-23 16:20:52 <darsie> I downgraded to v0.8.5
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1210 2014-03-23 16:23:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|bmatusiak: (if that doesn't work, `apt-get install pastebinit`)
1211 2014-03-23 16:23:20 <bmatusiak> michagogo|cloud,  ahh thanks it seems that qt sources links where bad
1212 2014-03-23 16:24:00 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wonders why bmatusiak is thanking him
1213 2014-03-23 16:24:21 <bmatusiak> michagogo|cloud,  i got lots finding build log
1214 2014-03-23 16:24:27 <bmatusiak> lol
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1216 2014-03-23 16:24:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|By "lots" do you mean lost?
1217 2014-03-23 16:24:48 <bmatusiak> yea
1218 2014-03-23 16:24:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It tells you right there
1219 2014-03-23 16:24:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Running build script (log in var/build.log)
1220 2014-03-23 16:24:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|:P
1221 2014-03-23 16:25:12 <bmatusiak> heh, i was toding tail -f ./var
1222 2014-03-23 16:25:37 <bmatusiak> hoping i would see the err when it happened
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1224 2014-03-23 16:26:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|bmatusiak: BTW, if you have gitian set up, it'd be great if you were to do builds of Bitcoin Core
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1226 2014-03-23 16:26:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|see doc/release-process.md in the source tree
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1258 2014-03-23 16:57:55 <darsie> Michail1: With the 0.8.6(-beta) binaries I still get the message "Warning: Displayed transactions may not be correct! You may need to upgrade, or other nodes may need to upgrade." It also syncs from "9 days behind" and I think I had already synced.
1259 2014-03-23 16:58:20 <darsie> oops, wrong chan.
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1331 2014-03-23 18:06:19 <Michail1> darsie - answered in PM.  :)
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1343 2014-03-23 18:11:05 <Alina-malina> hmmm what is bitcoin raw transaction?
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1361 2014-03-23 18:24:59 <jakov> Alina-malina a transaction that humans try to control each detail
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1363 2014-03-23 18:25:08 <jakov> rather than the client sorting out the details
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1375 2014-03-23 18:29:58 <Alina-malina> jakov, hmmm manual command line inteface to  check for transactions?
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1382 2014-03-23 18:34:56 <goatpig> is there a .conf option to block out an attacker's ip or do you have to do it through your router/firewall?
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1389 2014-03-23 18:39:56 <rdbell> Alina-malina: To create raw transactions you can use bitcoind's createrawtransaction command and specify the inputs/outputs manually. More info here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list
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1392 2014-03-23 18:42:29 <rdbell> Alina-malina: Just be careful with raw transactions if you haven't used them before. Any inputs that aren't fully spent get sent to the network as a "miner's fee." You should specify a change address as one of the outputs if you're not spending the full value of all inputs. Otherwise you can lose coins.
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1396 2014-03-23 18:44:02 <Guest74423> hi guys just wondering what you think of my site i (cloned) http://bitcoinjusawi.com
1397 2014-03-23 18:44:29 <Guest74423> was just for me to learn bitcoind but then moved over to blockchain api
1398 2014-03-23 18:44:32 <Alina-malina> rdbell, hmmm how long it will take to download the whole blockchain over bitcoind, i already have this:  "blocks" : 132045,
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1404 2014-03-23 18:45:48 <Guest74423> took me 14 hours on a vps to download over bitcoind
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1407 2014-03-23 18:48:57 <rdbell> Alina-malina: Depends a lot on the machine specs and network speed. I've seen anywhere from 12 hours to 4 days.
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1409 2014-03-23 18:50:39 <rdbell> Alina-malina: Current total number of blocks is 292098
1410 2014-03-23 18:51:02 <rdbell> Alina-malina: https://blockchain.info/blocks
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1412 2014-03-23 18:51:47 <Alina-malina> rdbell, hmmm i already downloadaed the half then
1413 2014-03-23 18:51:57 <Alina-malina> because i have 132045
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1418 2014-03-23 18:53:08 <jakov> its probably faster downloading through that torrent
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1422 2014-03-23 18:57:04 <jgarzik> This machine has 16GB of RAM solely for building bitcoind, a code base with insane (read: normal) template usage.
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1424 2014-03-23 19:00:42 <goatpig> abusing that std::map hmm?
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1427 2014-03-23 19:02:29 <mljsimone> hey, I need to generate like 10k public address/private key pairs
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1429 2014-03-23 19:03:01 <Apocalyptic> that will take a whike
1430 2014-03-23 19:03:03 <Apocalyptic> *while
1431 2014-03-23 19:03:07 <jgarzik> not really
1432 2014-03-23 19:03:07 <mljsimone> I'm using node-bitcoin and bitcoind. But is taking too long. Any ideas on what I can use?
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1435 2014-03-23 19:03:22 <jgarzik> it takes my bitcoind several minutes to generate 10,000
1436 2014-03-23 19:03:32 <jgarzik> more than a few seconds, but less than "a while"
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1440 2014-03-23 19:04:25 <mljsimone> should I batch the request in small groups or send it all at once?
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1447 2014-03-23 19:08:56 <jgarzik> mljsimone, what are you using to generate the keys?  The most efficient method is to set your keypool size in bitcoin.conf, or use the new 'keypoolrefill' option
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1450 2014-03-23 19:12:13 <mljsimone> jgarzik: getnewaddress
1451 2014-03-23 19:12:35 <jgarzik> mljsimone, how frequently do you need 10,000 addresses?
1452 2014-03-23 19:13:33 <mljsimone> Once every time a bishop die. (lol)
1453 2014-03-23 19:13:54 <Luke-Jr> you can use pycoin to do a HD wallet
1454 2014-03-23 19:14:00 <Luke-Jr> I think it might be faster
1455 2014-03-23 19:14:09 <jgarzik> mljsimone, If you are using node.js, you should be using bitcore...  https://github.com/bitpay/bitcore  That is a fully featured, tested bitcoin library for node.js & browser.  The key generation is in C++ and is native speed.
1456 2014-03-23 19:14:11 <mljsimone> what is that HD wallet you speak of?
1457 2014-03-23 19:14:37 <jgarzik> 	var newKey = new WalletKey({network: network});
1458 2014-03-23 19:14:37 <jgarzik> newKey.generate();
1459 2014-03-23 19:14:40 <jgarzik> mljsimone, ^
1460 2014-03-23 19:14:52 <mljsimone> jgarzik: thanks.. checking now :)
1461 2014-03-23 19:14:58 <jgarzik> mljsimone, faster than talking to bitcoind, and works just fine in node.js
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1465 2014-03-23 19:17:47 <mljsimone> jgarzik: Yes. Just what I needed.
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1477 2014-03-23 19:26:00 <Alina-malina> hmmm is there any way to speed up the process of downloading this blockchain, some valid torrent file or someting?
1478 2014-03-23 19:26:28 <jakov> yes there is a torrent file
1479 2014-03-23 19:26:48 <jakov> that has most blocks, you put it in your bitcoin directory and bitcoind downloads the few remaining
1480 2014-03-23 19:27:18 <Alina-malina> heh is it publicly available? and is it valid not some fake meliabilty enabled bullshit?
1481 2014-03-23 19:27:46 <jakov> bitcoind will check the entire blockchain once its downloaded
1482 2014-03-23 19:27:52 <jakov> checking it obeys the rules
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1486 2014-03-23 19:29:25 <ramm> hello .. anyone there ?
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1488 2014-03-23 19:30:15 <dexX7> hey ramm
1489 2014-03-23 19:30:28 <ramm> thanks bro
1490 2014-03-23 19:30:38 <ramm> i wanted to know where is difficulty of proof of work programmed ?
1491 2014-03-23 19:30:56 <dexX7> usually it helps to simply ask your question, at some point a dev will pick it up
1492 2014-03-23 19:31:59 <ramm> :(
1493 2014-03-23 19:33:41 <jakov> its spread around
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1495 2014-03-23 19:33:56 <jakov> so theres a part which checks hash > hashTarget in one file
1496 2014-03-23 19:34:08 <jakov> then in another file is where hashTarget is calculated
1497 2014-03-23 19:36:34 <jakov> theres the retarget in main.cpp
1498 2014-03-23 19:36:51 <jakov> in GetNextWorkRequired
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1502 2014-03-23 19:40:16 <ramm> thanks .. main.cpp is in which package ?
1503 2014-03-23 19:40:30 <jakov> the bitcoin package?
1504 2014-03-23 19:40:40 <jakov> look on github
1505 2014-03-23 19:41:32 <ramm> link  please
1506 2014-03-23 19:43:10 <ramm> please
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1510 2014-03-23 19:43:53 <jgarzik> ramm, github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/
1511 2014-03-23 19:44:07 <jakov> search bitcoin github
1512 2014-03-23 19:44:29 <jakov> its in the src/ directory before you ask
1513 2014-03-23 19:44:36 <jakov> because src is short for source..
1514 2014-03-23 19:45:58 <ramm> got it ..  many thanks :)
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1516 2014-03-23 19:47:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Anyone know, off the top of your heads, the version byte for privkeys for compressed pubkeys?
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1520 2014-03-23 19:49:24 <ramm> any idea about selfish mine ?
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1528 2014-03-23 19:55:20 <ramm>  what is a selfish mine ?
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1532 2014-03-23 20:02:31 <Krellan> aynstein: thanks for looking at my earlier question about whitelisted subnet/etc. for allowing connections into bitcoind
1533 2014-03-23 20:02:47 <Krellan> I'm familiar with -addnode and friends, but this is for accepting incoming connections, not forcing new outgoing.
1534 2014-03-23 20:03:14 <Krellan> and I don't see a way now to whitelist a subnet range, or something like that, so that my other computers nearby (such as miners) are always free to connect, regardless of slot limit.
1535 2014-03-23 20:04:22 <Krellan> Wondering if such a feature exists already, did I miss it?  Could also be hepful to -rpcallowip command, have it take subnet instead of exact IP.
1536 2014-03-23 20:05:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Krellan: No, pretty sure that's not a thing atm
1537 2014-03-23 20:05:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Patches Welcome, as they say
1538 2014-03-23 20:05:34 <Krellan> michagogo|cloud: Thanks
1539 2014-03-23 20:05:41 <Krellan> Would be useful to others or just me?
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1550 2014-03-23 20:22:07 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gives BlueMatt a cookie
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1594 2014-03-23 21:17:49 <dexX7> what might be the easiest way to get _all_ unspent outputs?
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1603 2014-03-23 21:30:42 <amstertran> listunspent
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1605 2014-03-23 21:31:16 <dexX7> no, that only returns those for my wallet
1606 2014-03-23 21:31:43 <amstertran> where else do you ahve unspent outputs?
1607 2014-03-23 21:32:00 <dexX7> i want an overview of all unspent outputs of the whole network
1608 2014-03-23 21:32:09 <amstertran> ah.
1609 2014-03-23 21:32:27 <dexX7> and to answer your question, listunspent does not include multisig outputs and other "strange" transaction types
1610 2014-03-23 21:34:21 <dexX7> rcp "gettxoutsetinfo" returns the amount of total unspent outputs, so the information is available somewhere, but i'm not educated enough to jump right into the bitcoin source code without some guidance
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1613 2014-03-23 21:38:10 <BlueMatt> michagogo|cloud: yea, yea..took a while....
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1632 2014-03-23 21:56:02 <samgranger> hey guys
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1634 2014-03-23 21:56:55 <samgranger> just wondering, what is the easiest way to get a the balance of an external bitcoin address without using a 3rd party solution such as block chain?
1635 2014-03-23 21:57:10 <samgranger> can I get this information somehow through bitcoind?
1636 2014-03-23 21:57:16 <Imbue> samgranger: i am working on a tool to do this
1637 2014-03-23 21:57:39 <Imbue> i am not sure if bitcoind has an option to achieve it, though i may be wrong
1638 2014-03-23 21:57:48 <Imbue> for arbitrary address rather than 'your privkey'
1639 2014-03-23 21:58:05 <BCB> samgranger, do you know the transactionid
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1641 2014-03-23 21:58:41 <samgranger> well, I could just index the whole blockchain
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1643 2014-03-23 21:58:51 <samgranger> I don't know the tx id no
1644 2014-03-23 21:59:47 <Imbue> samgranger: the issue is that by default, chainstate/ has a table of key 'txid' and value 'vouts' (where vouts contains address hash and so on)
1645 2014-03-23 22:00:16 <Imbue> looking up a txid is fast; looking up an address without knowing all its' utxos basically requires checking every txid
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1647 2014-03-23 22:02:00 <Imbue> samgranger:it is (relatively) fast to crawl chainstate and reverse the order
1648 2014-03-23 22:02:17 <Imbue> using custom code... but whether it exists in bitcoind i'm not sure
1649 2014-03-23 22:02:28 <BCB> samgranger, you can run your bitcoind with "index=1
1650 2014-03-23 22:02:28 <BCB> " to index the blocks but to my knowelege it is not possible to query an addres with out creating a db
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1653 2014-03-23 22:03:05 <Imbue> BCB: what sort of index does that give you? all txid's ever?
1654 2014-03-23 22:03:21 <lianj> yes
1655 2014-03-23 22:03:25 <Imbue> i would play with it but my machine is far too slow to even hope to do it on testnet in reasonable time i would think
1656 2014-03-23 22:03:26 <lianj> but no address index ofc
1657 2014-03-23 22:03:29 <Imbue> ok
1658 2014-03-23 22:03:49 <BCB> Imbue, yes.  but the db is very large.  It allows you to query txid's with the rpc
1659 2014-03-23 22:04:14 <samgranger> what kind of db would be best to use?
1660 2014-03-23 22:04:18 <samgranger> leveldb or?
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1662 2014-03-23 22:04:37 <Imbue> samgranger: what i am doing at present is making a tool that takes the UTXO LevelDB and basically reverses it
1663 2014-03-23 22:05:04 <lianj> Imbue: reverses, how?
1664 2014-03-23 22:05:19 <Imbue> samgranger: produces key='hash' (addres or p2sh or pubkey or whatever) and sum of utxos available
1665 2014-03-23 22:05:36 <Imbue> lianj: you put in chainstate/ and get out another leveldb that has addresses as key
1666 2014-03-23 22:06:04 <Imbue> well, atm only addresses... it ignores everything but hash160.. but that is not to difficult to add (scratching my own itch)
1667 2014-03-23 22:06:07 <lianj> only addresses in current utxos state or all?
1668 2014-03-23 22:06:14 <Imbue> current utxos state
1669 2014-03-23 22:06:44 <Imbue> it is basically a paranoid address balance checker (no external service)
1670 2014-03-23 22:06:54 <lianj> depending on what you want thats only half useful. i guess thats why you said scratching your own itch
1671 2014-03-23 22:06:56 <Imbue> i feel a little uneasy using the word 'balance'
1672 2014-03-23 22:06:58 <dexX7> samgranger: electrum servers are capable of providing information about non-wallet addresses, maybe this helps
1673 2014-03-23 22:07:10 <Imbue> lianj: useful for 'wallet watching' without leaking any info
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1675 2014-03-23 22:07:29 <samgranger> dexX7 - I'd also want it for other alt coins so think programming something myself would be best
1676 2014-03-23 22:07:33 <Imbue> or having privkeys imported
1677 2014-03-23 22:08:11 <dexX7> <Imbue> samgranger: what i am doing at present is making a tool that takes the UTXO LevelDB and basically reverses it << can you point me to where all utxo data is stored?
1678 2014-03-23 22:08:38 <Imbue> dexX7: datadir/chainstate/
1679 2014-03-23 22:08:51 <dexX7> thanks a lot
1680 2014-03-23 22:09:13 <Imbue> dexX7: see serialize, txdb, coins (.cpp/.h) in bitcoind source
1681 2014-03-23 22:10:02 <samgranger> Imbue: thanks!
1682 2014-03-23 22:10:26 <Imbue> i can clean up my python source and put it up if that would be helpful for reference, but it is quite uncommented atm
1683 2014-03-23 22:10:48 <Imbue> i found that python really is shit for this task; i had to inline everything and remove lots of function calls to improve performance so it is not that readable
1684 2014-03-23 22:11:00 <Imbue> better for me to learn c / cpp and redo it really :p
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1687 2014-03-23 22:12:06 <samgranger> Imbue: do you have a work in progress on github or anything?
1688 2014-03-23 22:12:13 <samgranger> Would love to see what you have so far
1689 2014-03-23 22:12:22 <Imbue> samgranger: just a text file... let me see if the pastebin expired
1690 2014-03-23 22:12:37 <samgranger> Cheers!
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1694 2014-03-23 22:14:14 <roasbeef> experimented with pypy or cython for speed improvements?
1695 2014-03-23 22:15:36 <Imbue> not yet; will look into it soon.. it is quite fast now, but it took a lot of hacking
1696 2014-03-23 22:15:57 <Imbue> 1.5 mins to populate hashtable in ram, 2-2.5mins including writing db to disk
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1698 2014-03-23 22:16:10 <Imbue> on my super slow laptop.. probably < 30s on a modern cpu
1699 2014-03-23 22:16:41 <phantomcircuit> Imbue, whatcha doin
1700 2014-03-23 22:16:56 <Imbue> phantomcircuit: scroll up
1701 2014-03-23 22:16:59 <Imbue> :)
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1708 2014-03-23 22:18:18 <phantomcircuit> Imbue, iirc there is an addrindex branch that keeps an index keyed by data push ops
1709 2014-03-23 22:18:30 <phantomcircuit> which would effectively get you an index of addresses
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1711 2014-03-23 22:19:02 <Imbue> hmm, will look into it, thanks
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1713 2014-03-23 22:19:31 <Imbue> i have no... project, as such, i am just thinking about ways to implement local lookup.. does not have to be real time at all
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1725 2014-03-23 22:27:12 <sl01> does the coin control in 0.9 allow you to see linked addresses?
1726 2014-03-23 22:27:50 <Luke-Jr> yes
1727 2014-03-23 22:28:01 <Luke-Jr> also, this is -dev, you want #bitcoin
1728 2014-03-23 22:28:12 <samgranger> Quick little q - anyone here ordered from overstock with btc?
1729 2014-03-23 22:28:16 <sl01> Luke-Jr: ah thanks, sorry :)
1730 2014-03-23 22:28:27 <Luke-Jr> samgranger: also off-topic here
1731 2014-03-23 22:29:05 <samgranger> Hoe many confirmations does coinbase wait for before calling back to overstocks server? Or does it do that before it's actually confirmed?
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1737 2014-03-23 22:34:42 <Imbue> dexX7, samgranger: http://pastebin.com/h9uBgu9T
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