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6 2014-04-08 00:01:08 <justanot1eruser> Since Eligus takes small fee transactions, can I give it a no-fee transaction that will only be payed for when it's child pays for it?
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8 2014-04-08 00:01:53 <justanot1eruser> s/small fee transactions/child-pays-for-parent transactions
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14 2014-04-08 00:04:39 <airbreather> justanot1eruser, what are you trying to accomplish with that idea exactly?
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26 2014-04-08 00:14:10 <SoftwareMechanic> I'm not having any success in having the testnet faucets sending to a p2sh address
27 2014-04-08 00:14:14 <SoftwareMechanic> multisig address
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29 2014-04-08 00:14:22 <SoftwareMechanic> (not sure about terminology)
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31 2014-04-08 00:14:35 <GAit> SoftwareMechanic: have you tried https://tpfaucet.appspot.com/ ?
32 2014-04-08 00:14:52 <SoftwareMechanic> ya, used that one
33 2014-04-08 00:14:54 <SoftwareMechanic> http://blockexplorer.com/testnet/tx/4df4d2707abbcf44027ab54529972db0380de06bd38bdf1d02b4198abf22e275
34 2014-04-08 00:14:54 <GAit> I test it with GreenAddress.it which is P2SH
35 2014-04-08 00:15:07 <SoftwareMechanic> Get a "strange transaction" showing up in block explorer.
36 2014-04-08 00:15:15 <SoftwareMechanic> haven't tried Green
37 2014-04-08 00:15:31 <sipa> why do you assume block explorer even supports p2sh?
38 2014-04-08 00:15:57 <GAit> sipa: good point
39 2014-04-08 00:15:58 <SoftwareMechanic> Doesn't look like it does
40 2014-04-08 00:16:36 <sipa> block explorer is ancient
41 2014-04-08 00:16:51 <SoftwareMechanic> what one do you recommend?
42 2014-04-08 00:17:01 <SoftwareMechanic> It's just what turned up on google.
43 2014-04-08 00:17:02 <sipa> use a wallet that supports p2sh, send to it, see if the funds arrive
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48 2014-04-08 00:18:09 <SoftwareMechanic> I'm creating raw transactions through bitcoind command line
49 2014-04-08 00:18:41 <SoftwareMechanic> was going verify my script is correct by seeing if online blockchain browers liked it
50 2014-04-08 00:18:58 <sipa> the first rule of bitcoin is: do not trust online blockchain explorer
51 2014-04-08 00:19:05 <SoftwareMechanic> good to know
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53 2014-04-08 00:21:19 <gmaxwell> sipa: interesting: the flush&reload attack on the openssl scalar multiply for some characteristic 2 implementation leaked the key with only a _single_ signing operation. (OpenSSL's fix: http://git.openssl.org/gitweb/?p=openssl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4b7a4ba29cafa432fc4266fe6e59e60bc1c96332 )
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55 2014-04-08 00:22:46 <sipa> gmaxwell: interesting
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57 2014-04-08 00:23:01 <sipa> gmaxwell: the nist p256 code also uses tricks like that
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60 2014-04-08 00:25:24 <SoftwareMechanic> Does bitcoin-qt support p2sh?
61 2014-04-08 00:25:57 <sipa> yes
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63 2014-04-08 00:26:23 <sipa> (but to receive to a p2sh key, you need all keys of it)
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65 2014-04-08 00:27:12 <SoftwareMechanic> yes, that's what I'm experimenting with. I have bitcoind signing one of the inputs, and some other code adding the other tx_input
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67 2014-04-08 00:27:59 <justanot1eruser> airbreather: doublespend
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71 2014-04-08 00:33:00 <airbreather> justanot1eruser, to answer the original question, yes I think that's the idea. still not sure what you're specifically trying to accomplish with it though
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77 2014-04-08 00:42:58 <airbreather> off-the-top, anyone have a list of really cool things that exist in the testnet3 chain that I should make sure my super-WIP alternative client handles?
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79 2014-04-08 00:43:28 <airbreather> (just to make sure it's not reporting false successes)
80 2014-04-08 00:45:29 <justanot1eruser> airbreather: make tx spending to address X with 0 fees, make tx spending to address Y with regular fees, make tx X_child with 2x regular fees, and win the doublespend every time Eligius mines a block
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233 2014-04-08 03:24:06 <todam00n> you guys read about that openssl bug?
234 2014-04-08 03:24:32 <aynstein> can you be more specific (a link perhaps?)
235 2014-04-08 03:25:13 <todam00n> tldr: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7549943 long text: http://heartbleed.com/
236 2014-04-08 03:25:41 <todam00n> I assume it's a newbie mistake
237 2014-04-08 03:25:55 <Luke-Jr> newbie mistake?
238 2014-04-08 03:26:02 <todam00n> but if it slipped pass openssl, it's a bit worrying
239 2014-04-08 03:26:26 <todam00n> beginner's mistake
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241 2014-04-08 03:26:55 <todam00n> trusted user input on a memcopy if I understand correctly
242 2014-04-08 03:27:07 <aynstein> we know what a newbie mistake is, but how do you mean?
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244 2014-04-08 03:28:26 <aynstein> lexa minda a quick pm about your cloak?
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246 2014-04-08 03:32:12 <Lexa> aynstein: sure :)
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315 2014-04-08 04:25:23 <dgenr8> anything to be careful of when adding data to an rpc output JSON format?
316 2014-04-08 04:26:17 <dgenr8> should I add after siblings?
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321 2014-04-08 04:29:53 <dgenr8> or amidst siblings where it makes sense?
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332 2014-04-08 04:42:33 <todam00n> dgenr8: you are modifying bitcoind's rpc output?
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335 2014-04-08 04:44:04 <todam00n> dgenr8: you could possibly put your data under a key that is likely unique {.... "dgenr8": { your data } }
336 2014-04-08 04:44:11 <todam00n> the order of keys does not matter in JSON
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351 2014-04-08 04:55:37 <warren> anyone use bitcore?
352 2014-04-08 04:55:56 <vetch> warren: depends what you're asking.
353 2014-04-08 04:56:04 <warren> in general
354 2014-04-08 04:56:09 <vetch> yes.
355 2014-04-08 04:57:48 <todam00n> warren: yes
356 2014-04-08 04:58:04 <todam00n> writing an app with it at the moment
357 2014-04-08 04:58:47 <warren> I'm implementing regtest mode
358 2014-04-08 04:58:51 <warren> for bitcore and insight
359 2014-04-08 04:59:17 <todam00n> good
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361 2014-04-08 04:59:40 <todam00n> I'm trying to figure out how to do the initial blocks download using p2p
362 2014-04-08 04:59:51 <todam00n> instead of RPC/block files
363 2014-04-08 05:00:23 <justanot1eruser> Does Bitcoin run using local javascript?
364 2014-04-08 05:00:37 <justanot1eruser> *Bitcore
365 2014-04-08 05:00:42 <todam00n> justanot1eruser: yes, with node.js
366 2014-04-08 05:00:55 <todam00n> justanot1eruser: there is also a browser build
367 2014-04-08 05:01:07 <justanot1eruser> Is there an alternative that doesn't use node.js?
368 2014-04-08 05:01:24 <Luke-Jr> is there any reason a P2SH can't be a null script?
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370 2014-04-08 05:02:16 <justanot1eruser> Luke-Jr: Since Eligius takes child-pays-for-parent transactions, can I give it a no-fee transaction that will only be payed for when it's child pays for it?
371 2014-04-08 05:02:28 <justanot1eruser> Or will the no-fee tx be discarded
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373 2014-04-08 05:02:58 <Luke-Jr> justanot1eruser: undefined
374 2014-04-08 05:03:27 <todam00n> justanot1eruser: what do you mean? a javascript alternative that doesn't use node.js / browser? I doubt there is
375 2014-04-08 05:03:54 <justanot1eruser> todam00n: preferrably not js at all
376 2014-04-08 05:04:12 <justanot1eruser> but definately not using node.js
377 2014-04-08 05:04:15 <warren> uint256("0x000000000933ea01ad0ee984209779baaec3ced90fa3f408719526f8d77f4943")); from Bitcoin Core for Testnet
378 2014-04-08 05:04:28 <warren> genesisBlock: {
379 2014-04-08 05:04:28 <todam00n> justanot1eruser: ah sure.. there is bitcoinj in java and btcd in go.. and a few others
380 2014-04-08 05:04:28 <warren> hash: hex('43497FD7F826957108F4A30FD9CEC3AEBA79972084E90EAD01EA330900000000'),
381 2014-04-08 05:04:40 <justanot1eruser> until then, I will use python or c++ with the json rpc, but that isn't as easy as bitcore
382 2014-04-08 05:04:40 <justanot1eruser> s/easy/convenient
383 2014-04-08 05:04:42 <todam00n> justanot1eruser: there is also an haskell implemtentation IIRC
384 2014-04-08 05:04:44 <warren> what the easiest way to convert that number to this other format?
385 2014-04-08 05:04:59 <warren> oh, duh, it's just backwards
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387 2014-04-08 05:05:58 <todam00n> warren: maybe bitcore.util.formatHashFull(bitcore.networks.genesisBlock.hash) ?
388 2014-04-08 05:06:06 <justanot1eruser> todam00n: do they have their own implementation, or do they use the json rpc?
389 2014-04-08 05:06:20 <todam00n> justanot1eruser: own implementation
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392 2014-04-08 05:06:44 <todam00n> justanot1eruser: it's probably safer to only connect to a trusted bitcoind peer though as they haven't been tested as much as bitcoind
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396 2014-04-08 05:07:42 <todam00n> justanot1eruser: and bitcoind will only relay valid blocks
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398 2014-04-08 05:09:41 <todam00n> how does bitcoind "know" that it should stop sending getblocks message during the initial sync?
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400 2014-04-08 05:11:47 <vetch> todam00n: knowing if you are up to sync is hard. I'm guessing it queries it's peers for their height.
401 2014-04-08 05:11:49 <Luke-Jr> can someone check my work? I expect 3J98t1WpEZ73CNmQviecrnyiWrnqRhWNLy to be an anyone-can-spend P2SH..
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403 2014-04-08 05:12:38 <todam00n> vetch: right
404 2014-04-08 05:13:02 <vetch> Luke-Jr: why the hell would you want that? even if you are the first unannounced spend an orphaned block can screw you over.
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408 2014-04-08 05:14:50 <vetch> todam00n: if every peer connected is lying then you have no hope. the peer selection is designed to avoid connecting to close IPs to prevent that situation.
409 2014-04-08 05:16:19 <Luke-Jr> vetch: wiki example address
410 2014-04-08 05:16:27 <todam00n> Luke-Jr: pay to anyone? what is the original script? just empty or OP_TRUE?
411 2014-04-08 05:16:35 <Luke-Jr> todam00n: just empty
412 2014-04-08 05:16:53 <Luke-Jr> fashoned after https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script#Anyone-Can-Spend_Outputs
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415 2014-04-08 05:19:18 <Luke-Jr> vetch: the idea is: 1) have the wiki example address be P2SH so that people implementing stuff should be aware addresses don't all begin with 1; 2) if someone does pay to it, the bitcoins aren't lost forever
416 2014-04-08 05:19:30 <Luke-Jr> (nor go to any specific entity)
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419 2014-04-08 05:20:33 <vetch> Luke-Jr: I follow.
420 2014-04-08 05:20:42 <todam00n> I'm getting a different hash but I probably did something wrong
421 2014-04-08 05:21:07 <Luke-Jr> :|
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423 2014-04-08 05:21:43 <Luke-Jr> todam00n: Base58Check('\x05' + RIPEMD160(SHA256(''))) ?
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427 2014-04-08 05:25:36 <todam00n> oops, wrong serialization
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429 2014-04-08 05:28:02 <Luke-Jr> ?
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435 2014-04-08 05:33:27 <todam00n> Luke-Jr: ok, getting 3J98t1WpEZ73CNmQviecrnyiWrnqRhWNLy
436 2014-04-08 05:33:47 <todam00n> with bitcore https://gist.github.com/10094350
437 2014-04-08 05:34:29 <Luke-Jr> is fromHumanReadable right?
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439 2014-04-08 05:34:53 <todam00n> yeah actually var hash = bitcoreUtil.sha256ripe160(''); outputs the same thing
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496 2014-04-08 06:44:54 <wumpus> gitian descriptors for if you want to build with openssl 1.0.1g: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4023
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525 2014-04-08 07:03:08 <warren> hmm, how do I find the merkle_root of the regtest genesis block?
526 2014-04-08 07:03:20 <wumpus> chainparams.cpp?
527 2014-04-08 07:03:52 <warren> hash only the block hash
528 2014-04-08 07:03:54 <warren> has*
529 2014-04-08 07:03:59 <wumpus> bleh
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532 2014-04-08 07:04:39 <warren> for some reason bitcore wants it for its own chainparams. I'm trying to add regtest to it.
533 2014-04-08 07:04:48 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: am I missing something? OpenSSL bug shouldn't affect us..
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538 2014-04-08 07:05:26 <warren> Luke-Jr: should affect at least rpcssl
539 2014-04-08 07:05:33 <Luke-Jr> ah
540 2014-04-08 07:05:37 <Luke-Jr> forgot we had that XD
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542 2014-04-08 07:05:40 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: dunno, some people are quite paranoid about it, doesn't hurt to update it just in case
543 2014-04-08 07:05:41 <warren> yeah
544 2014-04-08 07:06:04 <wumpus> indeed, rpc ssl could be mitmed or something?
545 2014-04-08 07:06:07 <warren> so uh... genesis block ...
546 2014-04-08 07:06:07 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: meh, I wouldn't make it a special release though
547 2014-04-08 07:06:17 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: well I want to do a 0.9.1 anyway
548 2014-04-08 07:06:20 <Luke-Jr> we already tell people never to use RPC over the internet
549 2014-04-08 07:06:21 <Luke-Jr> sure
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551 2014-04-08 07:06:31 <Luke-Jr> just saying.. doesn't make sense to do it just for this one minor thing
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553 2014-04-08 07:06:38 <wumpus> so it would have that + pretty much all GUI changes since 0.9 + some other fixes
554 2014-04-08 07:06:40 <wumpus> right
555 2014-04-08 07:06:41 <SomeoneWeird> well, the rest of the internet is panicing
556 2014-04-08 07:06:49 <SomeoneWeird> so maybe it should be an exception?
557 2014-04-08 07:06:52 <SomeoneWeird> iunno
558 2014-04-08 07:07:03 <Luke-Jr> if anything, releasing for it is like saying "yes, bitcoin was vulnerable"
559 2014-04-08 07:07:05 <Luke-Jr> <.<
560 2014-04-08 07:07:30 <wumpus> but if we can't say for sure it's better to err on the safe side Luke-Jr
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563 2014-04-08 07:08:11 <wumpus> well at least from a technical perspective
564 2014-04-08 07:08:16 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: well, considering the extremely narrow scope of the fix.. I think we can say for sure, minus the RPC thing
565 2014-04-08 07:08:17 <wumpus> as for PR, mehh
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568 2014-04-08 07:09:14 <wumpus> another reason to get 0.9! :o
569 2014-04-08 07:09:24 <warren> any recommendation for a tool that reads the raw genesis block from blk00000.dat and can print out the merkle root?
570 2014-04-08 07:09:51 <wumpus> warren: easiest would probably be to patch bitcoind to log it on startup or so
571 2014-04-08 07:10:03 <warren> ah
572 2014-04-08 07:10:38 <wumpus> you could of course write a specific tool, which is educative but that will likely cost more time
573 2014-04-08 07:10:57 <warren> I'm sure tools already exist that read blocks.
574 2014-04-08 07:11:05 <vetch> isn't the genesis block only in the code, not in the blocks?
575 2014-04-08 07:11:10 <wumpus> oh of course
576 2014-04-08 07:11:15 <wumpus> vetch: yep!
577 2014-04-08 07:11:44 <vetch> warren: you literally can't read the genesis block from disk.
578 2014-04-08 07:12:03 <wumpus> you could request the block data through RPC
579 2014-04-08 07:12:17 <wumpus> ... I think
580 2014-04-08 07:12:30 <wumpus> (would be strange if that ignored the genesis too)
581 2014-04-08 07:12:31 <vetch> I seem to remember that you can't
582 2014-04-08 07:12:35 <wumpus> LOL okay
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585 2014-04-08 07:13:27 <vetch> I think for all intents it's completely invalid. its transaction isn't in the unspent pool, I know that.
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588 2014-04-08 07:13:57 <Luke-Jr> eh, pretty sure we write the genesis block to disk
589 2014-04-08 07:14:08 <warren> yes, it's in that file
590 2014-04-08 07:14:14 <Luke-Jr> I remember at one point it was appending to the blk*.dat file every time you ran test_bitcoin <.<
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593 2014-04-08 07:14:53 <vetch> hm. must be documented somewhere that it isn't, otherwise I wouldn't have thought it.
594 2014-04-08 07:14:56 <warren> I see the string "The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks" in blk00000.dat
595 2014-04-08 07:15:15 <warren> wumpus: nope, doesn't work for genesis
596 2014-04-08 07:15:32 <wumpus> it doesn't? I'm trying:
597 2014-04-08 07:15:43 <warren> trying on 0.9.0 with -regtest
598 2014-04-08 07:15:44 <wumpus> getblockhash 0 -> 0f9188f13cb7b2c71f2a335e3a4fc328bf5beb436012afca590b1a11466e2206
599 2014-04-08 07:15:51 <jcorgan> the genesis block is on disk, but if you ask for the transaction, it will fail
600 2014-04-08 07:15:59 <wumpus> getblock 0f9188f13cb7b2c71f2a335e3a4fc328bf5beb436012afca590b1a11466e2206 -> does show output
601 2014-04-08 07:16:04 <warren> oh weird
602 2014-04-08 07:16:08 <warren> gave me an error last time
603 2014-04-08 07:16:09 <wumpus> "merkleroot" : "4a5e1e4baab89f3a32518a88c31bc87f618f76673e2cc77ab2127b7afdeda33b",
604 2014-04-08 07:16:10 <wumpus> there you are
605 2014-04-08 07:16:18 <warren> ok thanks
606 2014-04-08 07:16:23 <wumpus> lesson learned: please try things instead of guessing whether they work
607 2014-04-08 07:16:25 <wumpus> :P
608 2014-04-08 07:16:34 <warren> I might have fat fingered it
609 2014-04-08 07:17:44 <vetch> alright, so the spend isn't in the pool, but the block is on disk and does return data (could have sworn it didn't at some point).
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612 2014-04-08 07:18:29 <warren> merkle_root is the same as testnet
613 2014-04-08 07:18:35 <wumpus> vetch: I also remembered that it wasn't on disk
614 2014-04-08 07:18:47 <warren> ... which I should have guessed from the spec
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616 2014-04-08 07:19:31 <Luke-Jr> my office. so hot.
617 2014-04-08 07:19:32 <Luke-Jr> :x
618 2014-04-08 07:19:51 <vetch> predictably, getting information on the genesis block transaction fails.
619 2014-04-08 07:19:59 <Luke-Jr> and I don't even have miners running here
620 2014-04-08 07:20:07 <Luke-Jr> vetch: there is no such transaction :P
621 2014-04-08 07:20:15 <vetch> Luke-Jr: exactly
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623 2014-04-08 07:20:25 <warren> maybe Satoshi will fix the unspendable genesis bug in a mandatory hardfork one day
624 2014-04-08 07:20:35 <Luke-Jr> and we'll all NACK it
625 2014-04-08 07:20:51 <xeroc> lol
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627 2014-04-08 07:23:05 <vetch> warren: weird that its not on the hardfork wishlist actually.
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632 2014-04-08 07:24:29 <warren> maybe the mysterious creator of Litecoin will want it spend it too one day
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637 2014-04-08 07:25:51 <Luke-Jr> vetch: why would we wish it?
638 2014-04-08 07:26:00 <vetch> sounds like its time for me to make SpendableGenesisBlockCoin and shake the altcoin world to pieces.
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641 2014-04-08 07:26:55 <vetch> Luke-Jr: sarcastic really. probably more risk to fix it and introduce more unknowns. only really hurts altcoins who forked off back in 0.6 anyway.
642 2014-04-08 07:26:59 <warren> vetch: wouldn't work, the alt coins have mandatory hardforks all the time to fix their last mistake
643 2014-04-08 07:27:00 <wumpus> vetch: because it doesn't have enough advantages to even start a serious discussion about it :p
644 2014-04-08 07:27:02 hearn has joined
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646 2014-04-08 07:27:23 <warren> (none of which fix their first mistake, creating it)
647 2014-04-08 07:28:18 <vetch> I concede, SpendableGenesisBlockCoin is dead before I even cloned the repo.
648 2014-04-08 07:28:19 blitzlightnin has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
649 2014-04-08 07:28:29 <wumpus> if you could do one wish, would you wish that the poor Satoshi had 50 more coins?
650 2014-04-08 07:28:51 random_cat has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
651 2014-04-08 07:29:18 <wumpus> though I suppose you could sell the genesis block coins for much more than that, for novelty value
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654 2014-04-08 07:30:43 <warren> that would ruin its novelty value
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656 2014-04-08 07:32:03 <vetch> birthday messages signed by the genesis block address. 0.5BTC each. don't need the hardfork patch and you'd make bank.
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661 2014-04-08 07:39:00 <venzen> wumpus: i see you've announced gitian updates to fix the OpenSSL vulnerability. The oonly place the Core uses openssl is if users create a cert for use with -rpcssl, right? Or is TLS used elsewhere?
662 2014-04-08 07:39:28 <vetch> venzen: that's it.
663 2014-04-08 07:39:44 <wumpus> SSL (https) can also be used to fetch payment requests, but yes that's basically it
664 2014-04-08 07:40:11 <wumpus> the bitcoin protocol itself isn't affected by it
665 2014-04-08 07:40:33 <warren> wumpus: what else would we include in this release, the static build?
666 2014-04-08 07:40:43 <venzen> wumpus: thank you, and i liked this: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=677
667 2014-04-08 07:40:45 <warren> wumpus: cfields said he's very close to finishing the filter symbols
668 2014-04-08 07:41:43 <kuzetsa> venzen: openssl 1.0.1g also fixes CVE-2014-0076 which affects a sidechannel attack used for ECDSA keys (and explicitly affects bitcoin)
669 2014-04-08 07:41:56 <warren> wumpus: oh, congrats!
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671 2014-04-08 07:42:17 <wumpus> warren: yes, and gui/documentation updates, and some fixes
672 2014-04-08 07:42:46 <wumpus> a lot of stuff merged into master post-0.9 could go perfectly safely into a 0.9.1
673 2014-04-08 07:42:53 <warren> yup
674 2014-04-08 07:42:57 <venzen> kuzetsa: oh-hoo... that sounds dangerous: "sidechannel" attack
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676 2014-04-08 07:43:16 <warren> wumpus: how much time for QA do you want to have given that the vulnerability isn't that bad for bitcoin?
677 2014-04-08 07:43:36 <wumpus> I'll also cherry-pick theuni's preparation stuff for macosx gitian build (which happens outside the tree, but a few changes to upstream are needed)
678 2014-04-08 07:43:41 <warren> wumpus: is anything post-0.9 really bad enough to not just fork from master again?
679 2014-04-08 07:44:01 <wumpus> warren: just the normal rc cycle, I suppose
680 2014-04-08 07:44:32 <warren> I mean the things that are too risky are probably the minority (just revert it)
681 2014-04-08 07:44:37 <wumpus> warren: I don't completely trust the latest change to networking yet
682 2014-04-08 07:44:49 <wumpus> warren: so no, I won't fork 0.9.1 from master
683 2014-04-08 07:44:50 <warren> or pick a point in master to fork
684 2014-04-08 07:44:57 <warren> if not HEAD
685 2014-04-08 07:45:03 <wumpus> I'm going to cherry-pick, as linus intended
686 2014-04-08 07:45:07 <warren> ok
687 2014-04-08 07:45:08 <wumpus> :P
688 2014-04-08 07:45:24 <warren> just saying because doing so might allow translations to be used immediately
689 2014-04-08 07:45:32 <wumpus> I will do a transifex pull
690 2014-04-08 07:45:44 <warren> when's the last time tx source was synced?
691 2014-04-08 07:45:48 <wumpus> a long time ago
692 2014-04-08 07:45:58 <warren> 3 weeks prior to 0.9 right?
693 2014-04-08 07:46:03 <wumpus> long enough ago to be usable as-is for 0.9
694 2014-04-08 07:46:08 <warren> oh
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699 2014-04-08 07:49:53 <wumpus> oh, and I'm going to pull (almost) all GUI changes anyway, so the messages should be pretty much in sync with master after 0.9.1
700 2014-04-08 07:50:09 <warren> wumpus: given that none of the 3rd party tools seem to support regtest yet, would folks be against changing its address version?
701 2014-04-08 07:50:24 <wumpus> warren: I have no opinion on that
702 2014-04-08 07:50:30 <warren> wumpus: err, won't that break the 0.9.0 translations?
703 2014-04-08 07:50:39 <warren> that's been transifex source for a long time
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705 2014-04-08 07:50:57 <wumpus> huh, transifex source is no longer master?
706 2014-04-08 07:51:14 <kuzetsa> venzen: well considering a whitepaper was published explicitly explaining how this sidechannel vulnerability could be exploited to steal bitcoin keys... yes, it's dangerous ---> http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/161.pdf
707 2014-04-08 07:51:18 <warren> checking
708 2014-04-08 07:51:19 <wumpus> why do people never tell me anything?
709 2014-04-08 07:51:35 <warren> oh, transifex source last sync was March 21st
710 2014-04-08 07:51:43 <wumpus> how can I do my job as maintainer if I have to learn everything in a sideways IRC discussion?
711 2014-04-08 07:51:46 <warren> although it isn't clear with what
712 2014-04-08 07:51:51 <wumpus> ok, so it does pick it from master
713 2014-04-08 07:52:04 <warren> that's the opposite of what you said earlier
714 2014-04-08 07:52:20 <wumpus> no, it's not?
715 2014-04-08 07:52:24 <kuzetsa> like I said, openssl 1.0.1g also fixes CVE-2014-0076 (as described in that whitepaper)
716 2014-04-08 07:53:30 <warren> you said the transifex sources were not updated for a long time
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718 2014-04-08 07:53:41 <wumpus> 3 weeks is a long time
719 2014-04-08 07:54:09 <warren> would it be bad to have it auto-sync?
720 2014-04-08 07:54:20 <warren> you can set a URL for it to grab once a day
721 2014-04-08 07:54:30 <wumpus> (and yes, in my thoughts it was longer than that, but so much happens from day-to-day that 3 weeks is a long time...)
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723 2014-04-08 07:54:46 <wumpus> it auto-syncs from master
724 2014-04-08 07:54:55 <warren> oh, hasn't changed since then
725 2014-04-08 07:54:59 <wumpus> right
726 2014-04-08 07:55:07 <warren> and it would later auto-sync from <script that merges branches>
727 2014-04-08 07:55:15 <wumpus> yes
728 2014-04-08 07:55:20 <warren> sounds great
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730 2014-04-08 07:57:42 <wumpus> so our official starting point for that plan will be 0.9.1, not 0.9.0
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733 2014-04-08 07:58:21 <wumpus> (or, in general, the latest 0.9.x release)
734 2014-04-08 08:00:02 <wumpus> messages that exist in the latest stable release should never be dropped from transifex
735 2014-04-08 08:00:27 <warren> excellent
736 2014-04-08 08:00:28 <wumpus> ...unless there is a new stable release
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740 2014-04-08 08:01:12 <warren> if the merging script is smart enough, strings from master (already translated) can have the same id in the merged new stable, so it won't need re-translation
741 2014-04-08 08:01:25 <venzen> kuzetsa: thanks for that - i will definitely read and inform myself. However, I am writing a news announcement about the Heartbeat bug (CVE-2014-0160) and will omit any reference to CVE-2014-0076 (affecting ECDSA) because it will just cause hysteria in the community and Bitcoiners running around like headless chickens all over IRC :D
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748 2014-04-08 08:03:35 <Luke-Jr> warren: I have a small collection of scripts I've used for previous stable releases
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752 2014-04-08 08:05:22 <warren> wumpus: the reason I ask about a different address version for regtest, bitcore checks the address version (and other versions) of things like addresses to guess what network it is. currently testnet and regtest are identical in this regard so it can't differentiate them.
753 2014-04-08 08:05:24 <wumpus> warren: there aren't really ids; messages in qt are matched by contents, and an optional context (which is usually the class name)
754 2014-04-08 08:05:44 <warren> oooh
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756 2014-04-08 08:05:46 <Luke-Jr> http://codepad.org/z2WXkZho tsproc.xsl=http://codepad.org/UsQUdPPm tsmerge.py=http://codepad.org/TEv2kMPo
757 2014-04-08 08:05:48 <wumpus> I suppose transifex uses the same matching, so it shouldn't give any troubhle
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761 2014-04-08 08:06:54 <wumpus> warren: but I doubt in howsofar that's an issue, regtest isn't really meant for general use, usually it can be considered 'just a local testnet' like the testnet-in-a-box befoer
762 2014-04-08 08:07:07 <wumpus> there is no use in speaking of 'the regtest network'
763 2014-04-08 08:07:36 <warren> wumpus: it matters to things that want to test synthetic reorg behavior for 3rd party apps that use bitcore to interface bitcoind
764 2014-04-08 08:07:40 <wumpus> addreses hence only make sense in the context of an instance of the regtest network, even within one regression test
765 2014-04-08 08:08:11 <warren> not disagreeing, just the way they wrote the code is making it non-trivial to add regtest because of this "guess"
766 2014-04-08 08:08:56 <wumpus> (ideally there'd be an 'instance id' in addresses that uniquely identifies a chain, and each new regtest instance gets a new chain id... but bitcoin addresses have only one version byte, and this is for testing so it's not worth designing a new standard for)
767 2014-04-08 08:08:59 <Luke-Jr> tsmerge.py basically looks for close-matches of strings
768 2014-04-08 08:09:29 <warren> If all of the genesis of regtest were identical with testnet this would be less of an issue.
769 2014-04-08 08:09:32 <warren> It isn't.
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771 2014-04-08 08:10:09 <wumpus> btw, bitcoin-qt has one of those guesses as well, when providing a bitcoin URI on the command line
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773 2014-04-08 08:10:35 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: can 0.9.1 please fix testnet-in-a-box btw? :P
774 2014-04-08 08:10:39 <wumpus> so yes it would be marginally better to be able to identify it from the address
775 2014-04-08 08:10:43 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: no
776 2014-04-08 08:10:45 <Luke-Jr> â¦
777 2014-04-08 08:10:50 <warren> Luke-Jr: regtest is a lot better than testnet-in-a-bo
778 2014-04-08 08:10:57 <Luke-Jr> warren: not if you're trying to test mining
779 2014-04-08 08:10:58 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: I only merge things into 0.9.1 that are already in master
780 2014-04-08 08:11:14 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: yeah, obviously someone needs to implement a fix too <.<
781 2014-04-08 08:11:16 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: there is no fix for testnet-in-a-box in master, so I must answer no
782 2014-04-08 08:11:28 <warren> annoyingly, electrum lacks testnet support and a request to add it was turned down with "I don't see why this is needed."
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784 2014-04-08 08:11:52 <wumpus> warren: I'd say... make a (short) proposal for new address bytes for regtest and post it to the mailing list
785 2014-04-08 08:12:07 <warren> wumpus: so the regtest URL would begin with regtest: I guess.
786 2014-04-08 08:12:08 * Luke-Jr suggests 42 and 0x42
787 2014-04-08 08:12:26 <warren> Luke-Jr: what would the first symbol be?
788 2014-04-08 08:12:27 <wumpus> warren: note that you need not one but several, also for the different kinds of addresses (P2SH)
789 2014-04-08 08:12:34 <Luke-Jr> warren: shrug
790 2014-04-08 08:12:36 <warren> i know
791 2014-04-08 08:12:38 <wumpus> warren: no, all bitcoin uris start with bitcoin:
792 2014-04-08 08:12:45 <warren> ooooh
793 2014-04-08 08:12:46 <warren> ok
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795 2014-04-08 08:13:14 <wumpus> warren: the distinction is based on the address version (did you read my above "btw, bitcoin-qt has one of those guesses as well, when providing a bitcoin URI on the command line")
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797 2014-04-08 08:13:24 <Luke-Jr> 42 = H or J
798 2014-04-08 08:13:38 <Luke-Jr> 0x42 = T
799 2014-04-08 08:13:50 <warren> is there a symbol that is only R?
800 2014-04-08 08:13:55 <warren> that would make a lot of sense ...
801 2014-04-08 08:14:10 <Luke-Jr> 60 and 61
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804 2014-04-08 08:14:29 <Luke-Jr> 122 and 123 for lowercase
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806 2014-04-08 08:14:38 <Luke-Jr> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/List_of_address_prefixes
807 2014-04-08 08:14:40 <warren> Do we want R or r?
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809 2014-04-08 08:14:54 <Luke-Jr> warren: well, we need one for pkh and one for sh
810 2014-04-08 08:14:55 <warren> what color would you like the bikeshed?
811 2014-04-08 08:15:22 <Luke-Jr> personally, I'd prefer regtest to use the same as testnet since it's not a global scope
812 2014-04-08 08:15:24 <wumpus> that page doesn't even mention P2SH?
813 2014-04-08 08:15:26 <Luke-Jr> but I don't care to argue
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817 2014-04-08 08:15:43 <Luke-Jr> 5 3 Bitcoin script hash 3EktnHQD7RiAE6uzMj2ZifT9YgRrkSgzQX
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819 2014-04-08 08:16:01 <warren> Luke-Jr: it's a pain for code that guesses the network from the address
820 2014-04-08 08:16:06 <wumpus> oh, right
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822 2014-04-08 08:16:34 <Luke-Jr> warren: indeed. but regtest isn't a network.
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825 2014-04-08 08:16:46 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: read above, I explained that to him too
826 2014-04-08 08:16:59 <warren> bitcore sets the network params from the guesses sometimes
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828 2014-04-08 08:17:19 <warren> the code could be rewritten to not do that
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830 2014-04-08 08:17:39 <wumpus> why does it guess based on an address?
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834 2014-04-08 08:19:25 <warren> looking
835 2014-04-08 08:21:15 <wumpus> in any case, you could still make the proposal and see if people agree, it's not like we are running out of address versions any time soon
836 2014-04-08 08:21:57 <wumpus> (not for bitcoin, at least, and altcoins are stupid if they don't take the oppertunity to design a new and better address scheme)
837 2014-04-08 08:22:31 <warren> it contains various utility functions that returns various things identifying the network based upon an arbitrary input, much of which doesn't seem to be used within bitcore itself, probably by other apps that use bitcore
838 2014-04-08 08:22:45 <warren> so changing this in bitcore to support regtest would mean editing arbitrary other apps too
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843 2014-04-08 08:24:31 <warren> Luke-Jr: how do you set pkh and sh separately?
844 2014-04-08 08:25:20 <warren> mm
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851 2014-04-08 08:32:40 <warren> I'll ask jgarzik before making any proposal.
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854 2014-04-08 08:36:39 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: I take back my former disinterest in 0.9.1-ASAP if the vuln does affect the client side.. that would mean we could leak ECDSA privkey data :x
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856 2014-04-08 08:37:09 <Luke-Jr> in fact, if that's the case, I'd suggest sending an alert out to not use the payment protocol
857 2014-04-08 08:37:16 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: do you have the alert key?
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859 2014-04-08 08:37:26 <wumpus> I'm not sure I understand you
860 2014-04-08 08:37:26 <warren> Luke-Jr: oh crap, forgot about client side
861 2014-04-08 08:37:29 <warren> ...
862 2014-04-08 08:37:31 <warren> wumpus: he's right
863 2014-04-08 08:37:32 <wumpus> how would you concretely exploit this?
864 2014-04-08 08:37:41 <warren> wumpus: you would need a hostile server
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868 2014-04-08 08:39:04 <wumpus> so are we sure that it can also be exploited client side?
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872 2014-04-08 08:39:54 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: that's how I interpreted what you said
873 2014-04-08 08:39:57 <wumpus> I really want gavin and the rest involved before sending around an alert
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875 2014-04-08 08:40:21 <Luke-Jr> we need to be sure if it does or doesn't affect client side. if it does, an alert is prudent.
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878 2014-04-08 08:41:19 <wumpus> well don't take *my* word on that, I haven't studied the vulnerability at all, have been working on upgrading gitian and going through the commit list after waking up with panicked mails in my mailbox
879 2014-04-08 08:41:56 <wumpus> note that I word it carefully: it *may* affect this and this, I don't express certainty
880 2014-04-08 08:42:59 * Luke-Jr wishes we had some kind of isolation between wallet and everything else
881 2014-04-08 08:43:10 <wumpus> we're working on that
882 2014-04-08 08:43:28 <wumpus> headers-first needs to go in, after that I can make a bitcoin-qt-spv
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884 2014-04-08 08:44:46 <wumpus> not that that would help much, people would still want to use SSL to talk to the wallet ...
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887 2014-04-08 08:46:24 <wumpus> a better idea would be to have the *private keys and signing* in a seperate isolated process, not so much the entire wallet
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890 2014-04-08 08:47:08 <wumpus> it could then run on a seperate chip/trusted computing domain/whatever
891 2014-04-08 08:47:28 <warren> awesome
892 2014-04-08 08:47:43 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: SPV is not isolation from GUI.
893 2014-04-08 08:47:46 <wumpus> not that any cross-OS API exists for such things, mind you
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895 2014-04-08 08:47:58 <Luke-Jr> private keys and signing = wallet :P
896 2014-04-08 08:48:01 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: you didn't say isolation from GUI, but isolation from wallet
897 2014-04-08 08:48:14 <Luke-Jr> wallet isolated from *everything else* :P
898 2014-04-08 08:48:17 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: no, the wallet is the entire part that listens for transactions as well
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900 2014-04-08 08:48:39 <wumpus> you wouldn't need to run the essentially watchonly part of the wallet in the trusted domain
901 2014-04-08 08:49:04 <Luke-Jr> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/22ghj1/the_heartbleed_bug/cgmzakx
902 2014-04-08 08:49:05 <Luke-Jr> crap
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906 2014-04-08 08:51:53 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: these logs are public. can we get ahold of Gavin and whoever else in the next few hours?
907 2014-04-08 08:52:46 <gjs278> yeah I was just going to say, any exploit is going to get noticed
908 2014-04-08 08:53:03 <warren> Luke-Jr: so 0.8.7 without payment protocol (and rpcssl disabled by default) has any attack surface?
909 2014-04-08 08:53:08 <warren> I can't think of any.
910 2014-04-08 08:53:22 <Luke-Jr> warren: shouldn't
911 2014-04-08 08:53:23 <wumpus> warren: why not just upgrade openssl?
912 2014-04-08 08:53:32 <wumpus> speaking of that, can anyone help testing and ACK https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4023 ?
913 2014-04-08 08:53:55 <warren> wumpus: I had an issue earlier trying to verify the GPG key of that
914 2014-04-08 08:54:13 <warren> wumpus: the GPG key of that source tarball wasn't on key servers earlier today =(
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916 2014-04-08 08:54:16 <warren> it seems to be now
917 2014-04-08 08:54:22 <wumpus> warren: good news: 0.8 doesn't have payment protocol yet
918 2014-04-08 08:54:51 <wumpus> so it's just a matter of disabling rpcssl
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923 2014-04-08 09:00:57 <wumpus> 0.9.1 branch created with the gitian updates https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/0.9.1
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926 2014-04-08 09:02:02 <wumpus> so mikehearn claims it affects only servers?
927 2014-04-08 09:02:06 <wumpus> is there anyone that knows for sure?
928 2014-04-08 09:02:19 <Luke-Jr> there should be, but I don't know how to reach them
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932 2014-04-08 09:04:51 <wumpus> openssl.org is unreachable, probably stampeded
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935 2014-04-08 09:06:42 <fanquake> noticed that :/
936 2014-04-08 09:06:57 <fanquake> ERROR: The certificate of `www.openssl.org' is not trusted.
937 2014-04-08 09:06:58 <fanquake> ERROR: The certificate of `www.openssl.org' hasn't got a known issuer.
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941 2014-04-08 09:12:16 <Luke-Jr> sigh, is mikehearn using some non-standard definition of "client"? -.-
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945 2014-04-08 09:13:54 <vetch> gmaxwell was talking (correcting me) about it before in #bitcoin.
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948 2014-04-08 09:15:06 <Luke-Jr> vetch: ?
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951 2014-04-08 09:16:01 <vetch> er that was a reply to wumpus, who asked if anybody knew the scope of the heartbleed bug for certain. I was saying that gmaxwell seems to have a good handle on it.
952 2014-04-08 09:16:33 <Luke-Jr> bleh, was hoping you were implying something else
953 2014-04-08 09:16:57 <Luke-Jr> I suppose if connecting to a TLS server doesn't automatically make you a "TLS client", then we might be okay..
954 2014-04-08 09:17:00 <Luke-Jr> but that would be very confusing
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956 2014-04-08 09:18:47 <Luke-Jr> Payment protocol *does* connect to TLS servers, right? :x
957 2014-04-08 09:19:53 <wumpus> yes
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1038 2014-04-08 09:47:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: is there a chain of servers between us?
1039 2014-04-08 09:48:02 <Luke-Jr> woops, wumpus beat me to it
1040 2014-04-08 09:48:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: So I know the deps will need to be rebuilt
1041 2014-04-08 09:48:38 <wumpus> huh, a chain of servers, how do you mean?
1042 2014-04-08 09:48:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But will qt-win also need to be rebuilt? (since I know it uses OpenSSL, and so requires the deps zip)
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1045 2014-04-08 09:49:00 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: oh shit
1046 2014-04-08 09:49:01 <wumpus> yes
1047 2014-04-08 09:49:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If so, should probably bump the version, no?
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1052 2014-04-08 09:49:26 <wumpus> why didn't anyone note this before?
1053 2014-04-08 09:50:05 <woofpluf> Maybe bitcoin should be stopped for a week while this is checked out
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1057 2014-04-08 09:50:53 <wumpus> 'stop bitcoin' lol, as if it was that easy it wouldn't be a very robust network
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1087 2014-04-08 09:56:15 <olalonde> how often does bitcoind issue getBlocks messages when syncing?
1088 2014-04-08 09:56:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|heh, I guess it did go through :P
1089 2014-04-08 09:56:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: I mean, an IRC route between the two of us
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1091 2014-04-08 09:56:56 <olalonde> every 500 blocks?
1092 2014-04-08 09:57:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(IRCCloud doesn't handle huge netsplits, etc very well)
1093 2014-04-08 09:57:18 <shesek> is it considered unsafe to do ECDH with keys that are also used as Bitcoin keys (and receive payments)?
1094 2014-04-08 09:57:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|So when I typed that, the split seemed to still be going on
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1096 2014-04-08 09:57:54 <wumpus> yep, qt dependency bump has been done, thanks for noting
1097 2014-04-08 09:58:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|people quitting, etc, so even though you seemed to still be in here, I couldn't know if you were or if I just hadn't seen you dc yet
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1101 2014-04-08 09:58:34 <Luke-Jr> shesek: it's probably not a good idea
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1104 2014-04-08 09:59:28 <shesek> Luke-Jr, for what reason?
1105 2014-04-08 09:59:54 <Luke-Jr> shesek: confusing to end users, who shouldn't be aware of keys?
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1107 2014-04-08 10:00:21 <Luke-Jr> and presumbly you'd need to publish the public key
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1112 2014-04-08 10:03:38 <woofpluf> The public key only gets published when an address actually sends funds outwards, correct?
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1123 2014-04-08 10:05:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: what's the third commit for?
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1131 2014-04-08 10:06:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|...and the fourth? o_O
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1134 2014-04-08 10:07:20 <Luke-Jr> woofpluf: addresses don't send funds, the wallet does using a key.
1135 2014-04-08 10:07:28 <Luke-Jr> woofpluf: by that time, the address is no longer related to it.
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1141 2014-04-08 10:10:06 <dexX7> is an update recommended due to the ssl vuln?
1142 2014-04-08 10:10:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dexX7: there isn't a release with the ssl vuln fixed yet
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1147 2014-04-08 10:10:44 <dexX7> rephrased: should i rebuild now?
1148 2014-04-08 10:10:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If you build your own binary, then yes
1149 2014-04-08 10:10:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|No need to upgrade the code, just update openssl and qt
1150 2014-04-08 10:11:07 <Luke-Jr> dexX7: if you compile yourself, you don't need to rebuild, just update openssl
1151 2014-04-08 10:11:12 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh, right
1152 2014-04-08 10:11:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Of course
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1154 2014-04-08 10:11:15 <dexX7> ah okay, ty
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1156 2014-04-08 10:11:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Forgot about dynamic linking
1157 2014-04-08 10:12:05 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dexX7: (btw, in the meantime, don't use rpcssl or the payment protocol)
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1160 2014-04-08 10:12:52 <shesek> Luke-Jr, its part of something that I'm writing, it'll be handled in the background without the users being aware of it
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1166 2014-04-08 10:13:26 <shesek> so it shouldn't really confuse anyone
1167 2014-04-08 10:13:42 <Luke-Jr> shesek: care to elaborate? I can't imagine how this could be useful :x
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1180 2014-04-08 10:16:56 <elichai2> can i somehow decompress a compressed private key?
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1182 2014-04-08 10:17:16 <shesek> elichai2, private keys aren't really compressed, only public keys
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1184 2014-04-08 10:17:34 <shesek> private keys have a flag that says whether their public key should be compressed or not
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1186 2014-04-08 10:18:16 <shesek> 0x01 is appended to the end of the private key for that
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1190 2014-04-08 10:18:28 <elichai2> shesek: have a look, that's my problem: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=175389.0
1191 2014-04-08 10:18:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And to clarify -- if you change that flag, you end up with a different Bitcoin public key
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1193 2014-04-08 10:18:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Even though it's the same ECDSA public key
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1196 2014-04-08 10:19:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|elichai2: Yeah, no way to fix it
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1198 2014-04-08 10:19:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Armory can't do compressed pubkeys yet
1199 2014-04-08 10:19:52 <elichai2> ××
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1201 2014-04-08 10:19:54 <elichai2> *ok
1202 2014-04-08 10:19:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|As etotheipi_ said there
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1204 2014-04-08 10:20:03 <elichai2> so that why i want to decompress it!
1205 2014-04-08 10:20:05 <shesek> elichai2, you can technically change that do an uncompressed key, but it wouldn't really help you
1206 2014-04-08 10:20:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|A compressed pubkey can't be decompressed
1207 2014-04-08 10:20:16 <shesek> you'll end up with a different address
1208 2014-04-08 10:20:20 <elichai2> why not?
1209 2014-04-08 10:20:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It becomes a different pubkey, as far as Bitcoin is concerned
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1211 2014-04-08 10:20:32 <shesek> your best bet is to use a different client and move the funds to a new address
1212 2014-04-08 10:20:39 <elichai2> shesek: it dosen't matter for me... if i have the same balance
1213 2014-04-08 10:20:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It's the same ECDSA key, but it's not the same Bitcoin key
1214 2014-04-08 10:20:43 <shesek> one that armory does support
1215 2014-04-08 10:20:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|No, you won't have the same balance
1216 2014-04-08 10:20:50 <Luke-Jr> elichai2: you won't
1217 2014-04-08 10:20:50 <shesek> elichai2, you won't have the same balance
1218 2014-04-08 10:21:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It's an entirely different public key, for the purposes of Bitcoin
1219 2014-04-08 10:21:04 <elichai2> ohh that's not good :(
1220 2014-04-08 10:21:04 <Luke-Jr> elichai2: etothepi replied to your thread.
1221 2014-04-08 10:21:08 <Luke-Jr> elichai2: he maintains Armory
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1223 2014-04-08 10:21:23 <elichai2> Luke-Jr: it's not my thread, but ok :)
1224 2014-04-08 10:21:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(also, ש×××!)
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1226 2014-04-08 10:21:55 <elichai2> michagogo|cloud: u israeli?
1227 2014-04-08 10:21:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yep
1228 2014-04-08 10:22:11 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: "The vulnerability affects also client-side if vulnerable OpenSSL-library is used. Only the memory of the host process using SSL can be read."
1229 2014-04-08 10:22:15 * shesek is too (if you haven't figured it out from my nickname :)
1230 2014-04-08 10:22:16 <elichai2> lol
1231 2014-04-08 10:22:22 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: from CERT-FI; I think this confirms it
1232 2014-04-08 10:22:22 <elichai2> what's a small world
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1235 2014-04-08 10:22:40 <elichai2> shesek: lolol
1236 2014-04-08 10:22:45 <elichai2> just figured it out
1237 2014-04-08 10:22:47 <elichai2> wow
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1239 2014-04-08 10:23:01 <elichai2> i never thought 2 bitcoin devs from israel :)
1240 2014-04-08 10:23:10 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|isn't really a Bitcoin dev
1241 2014-04-08 10:23:22 * shesek isn't either
1242 2014-04-08 10:23:37 <elichai2> yeah but u helping like u r :P
1243 2014-04-08 10:23:38 <shesek> well, I am developing some Bitcoin-related stuff, but not working on the reference Bitcoin wallet
1244 2014-04-08 10:23:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Helping out and being a dev are orthogonal :-)
1245 2014-04-08 10:24:00 <elichai2> ok, anyone here knows when armory will release a new version?!
1246 2014-04-08 10:24:05 <elichai2> that post is from 2013 :(
1247 2014-04-08 10:24:06 <shesek> elichai2, there's also an #bitcoin-il channel here, though its not very active
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1249 2014-04-08 10:24:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|There is?
1250 2014-04-08 10:24:32 <shesek> yeah. I thought you knew
1251 2014-04-08 10:24:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Nope
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1253 2014-04-08 10:25:07 <shesek> its mostly join/part/quit messages though...
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1255 2014-04-08 10:25:26 <elichai2> lol michagogo|cloud you are in that channel already
1256 2014-04-08 10:25:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|shesek: heh
1257 2014-04-08 10:25:41 <shesek> he joined a second before you did
1258 2014-04-08 10:25:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|13:22:38 â michagogo|cloud joined (uid14316@wikia/Michagogo)
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1260 2014-04-08 10:25:45 <elichai2> ohh lol
1261 2014-04-08 10:25:59 <shesek> we're getting quite off-topic here... probably best to take this someplace else
1262 2014-04-08 10:26:53 <elichai2> michagogo|cloud: how you got a customized domain or what ever that called
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1264 2014-04-08 10:27:17 <elichai2> cloak :)
1265 2014-04-08 10:27:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Erm, from wikia? But this isn't really on-topic here
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1286 2014-04-08 10:29:41 <elichai2> damn netsplit :(
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1297 2014-04-08 10:30:25 <elichai2> shesek: if i'll import my address into bitcoin-qt i will be able to than get it somehow into Armory?
1298 2014-04-08 10:30:41 <elichai2> (or if i have the orginal wallet.dat that created that address)
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1303 2014-04-08 10:31:46 <shesek> elichai2, you can move the funds to a new uncompressed address
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1309 2014-04-08 10:33:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;eauth michagogo
1310 2014-04-08 10:33:11 <gribble> Request successful for user michagogo, hostmask michagogo|cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/82C5C009628ECF0C
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1322 2014-04-08 10:35:57 <elichai2> shesek: that won't work? https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/17232/how-to-uncompress-a-compressed-private-key
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1325 2014-04-08 10:36:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|elichai2: no
1326 2014-04-08 10:36:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It's a completely different public key, as far as Bitcoin is concerned
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1328 2014-04-08 10:36:56 <woofpluf> does qt use whatever openssl version the OS is using?
1329 2014-04-08 10:37:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|woofpluf: if you built yourself, yes
1330 2014-04-08 10:37:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If you downloaded the release binaries, no, it uses whatever was current when it was built
1331 2014-04-08 10:37:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Or rather, no
1332 2014-04-08 10:37:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Whatever was used to build it
1333 2014-04-08 10:37:46 <elichai2> michagogo|cloud: but it use the one i had when i built or the one i have now?
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1336 2014-04-08 10:38:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If the binary is statically linked, it uses whichever OpenSSL was used to build it
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1338 2014-04-08 10:38:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If it's dynamic, it uses what's installed on the system
1339 2014-04-08 10:38:30 <elichai2> too bad :(
1340 2014-04-08 10:38:41 <elichai2> how can i know if it's dynamic or static?
1341 2014-04-08 10:38:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Did you build it yourself?
1342 2014-04-08 10:39:03 <elichai2> yep
1343 2014-04-08 10:39:16 <woofpluf> so why would 0.8 not be vulnerable while bitcoin core would be vulnerable because the former doesn't have payment protocol?
1344 2014-04-08 10:39:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|So it's probably dynamic, then -- just upgrade
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1347 2014-04-08 10:39:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|woofpluf: There are two places where the vulnerability is relevant, from what I understand
1348 2014-04-08 10:39:41 <elichai2> michagogo|cloud: how? rebuild it?
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1350 2014-04-08 10:39:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|One is the payment protocol, which is only in the GUI and only in 0.9 or later
1351 2014-04-08 10:39:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The other is RPCSSL
1352 2014-04-08 10:40:25 <woofpluf> if you downloaded 0.8 from the ppa is that statically linked?
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1354 2014-04-08 10:40:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|No, it's dynamic, I think
1355 2014-04-08 10:40:51 <woofpluf> So is payment protocol vulnerable, and rpcssl only vulnerable if it's open?
1356 2014-04-08 10:41:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Payment protocol is vulnerable if you use it
1357 2014-04-08 10:41:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|That's the software as a client
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1362 2014-04-08 10:41:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|RPCSSL is vulnerable iff you have it turned on
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1364 2014-04-08 10:41:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|and your RPC is open to the outside
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1389 2014-04-08 10:43:04 <elichai2> hey
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1391 2014-04-08 10:43:22 <elichai2> any one here is familiar with the Armory Testing version?
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1397 2014-04-08 10:44:07 <woofpluf> I can't find the bitcoin.conf in the /bitcoin folder, is that normal?
1398 2014-04-08 10:44:15 <venzen> woofpluf michagogo|cloud: wumpus made the point earlier that it is the fetching of payment requests that is vulnerable and, as you mention, the RPCSSL because if you use it over the net it requires you to create a server key and cert using openssl
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1400 2014-04-08 10:44:36 <venzen> well not "requires" but you'd want to do that
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1402 2014-04-08 10:45:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|woofpluf: it should be in ~/.bitcoin
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1404 2014-04-08 10:46:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh, wait -- if you're using Bitcoin-Qt, yes, the file doesn't exist unless you create it
1405 2014-04-08 10:46:28 <woofpluf> michagogo: I know but it isn't, it's always worked fine though
1406 2014-04-08 10:46:33 <woofpluf> Ok
1407 2014-04-08 10:46:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Er, actually the file never exists unless you create it, but it oesn't have to exist
1408 2014-04-08 10:46:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|doesn't*
1409 2014-04-08 10:46:46 <woofpluf> So how can we check to see what openssl version bitcoinqt is using?
1410 2014-04-08 10:46:47 <elichai2> any one here is familiar with the Armory Testing version?
1411 2014-04-08 10:46:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|woofpluf: the debug window, I think
1412 2014-04-08 10:47:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yes, the debug window
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1414 2014-04-08 10:47:20 <woofpluf> whats the debug window? terminal?
1415 2014-04-08 10:47:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|No
1416 2014-04-08 10:47:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|In the Help menu
1417 2014-04-08 10:47:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It's the window that you go to for the RPC console
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1419 2014-04-08 10:48:03 <woofpluf> jesus thank christ it's using 0.9.8k
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1424 2014-04-08 10:48:22 <wumpus> woofpluf: 0.9.0 uses 1.0.1g
1425 2014-04-08 10:48:44 <woofpluf> yes but I'm on 0.8.5
1426 2014-04-08 10:49:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;bcverify HKUqp4WK5lNgXqJ2MPTLaLZNDdcccWm3L/EjdTbN6PimpglwHqS/HqtHo23g0Djtpx94204BSUPGTQw3XHPFuzo=
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1428 2014-04-08 10:49:07 <woofpluf> I still feel badly for whoever is using 0.9, this is a nightmare
1429 2014-04-08 10:49:24 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|woofpluf: Not a huge nightmare -- if you don't use PP or RPCSSL you're fine
1430 2014-04-08 10:49:35 <wumpus> woofpluf: huh?
1431 2014-04-08 10:49:36 <gribble> You are now authenticated for user 'michagogo' with address 18xRDaxdJudfk5U943GNTsWfvg1soouPbc
1432 2014-04-08 10:49:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You just need to know not to do that.
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1434 2014-04-08 10:49:57 <wumpus> in what definition of nightmare is this a nightmare?
1435 2014-04-08 10:50:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And even if you do use PP, it's only if you're fetching a request over ssl from a compromised or malicious host
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1438 2014-04-08 10:50:17 <woofpluf> michagogo: how can we check if rpcssl is enabled?
1439 2014-04-08 10:50:24 <elichai2> michagogo|cloud: any chance Armory fixed the compressed shit in the Testing version?
1440 2014-04-08 10:50:26 <wumpus> to be perfectly safe: 1. click no bitcoin: links 2. don't use RPC with SSL
1441 2014-04-08 10:50:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|woofpluf: If you have to ask, it isn't
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1443 2014-04-08 10:50:54 <woofpluf> wumpus: I'd assume this would have devastating consequences if it hasn't already with all sorts of hackers setting up listening servers
1444 2014-04-08 10:50:56 <wumpus> (2) applies to 0.8 and older versions just as well, it's not like 0.9 introduced the problem
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1446 2014-04-08 10:51:14 <elichai2> when we will see an update to bitcoin-qt?
1447 2014-04-08 10:51:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hm, I wonder if the situation would warrant putting out an alert
1448 2014-04-08 10:51:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It's a shame we can't target those by OpenSSL version :P
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1450 2014-04-08 10:52:08 <woofpluf> wumpus: 0.8.7 + started using vulnerable openssl?
1451 2014-04-08 10:52:10 <wumpus> it could be tagged and builds could start any time, ... just waiting for an OK from the rest of the dev team
1452 2014-04-08 10:52:26 <wumpus> woofpluf: NO, all versions of openssl are vulnerable except for 1.0.1g
1453 2014-04-08 10:52:33 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|boots up his builder and gets started on rebuilding Qt
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1455 2014-04-08 10:52:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: Huh? Not all versions
1456 2014-04-08 10:52:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Just 1.0.1-1.0.1f, I though
1457 2014-04-08 10:52:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|thought*
1458 2014-04-08 10:52:59 <woofpluf> michagogo: so only people who activated their qt to be an actual node had to enable rpcssl?
1459 2014-04-08 10:53:07 <elichai2> wumpus: there is not 1.0 ver!
1460 2014-04-08 10:53:08 <dexX7> "Only 1.0.1 and 1.0.2-beta releases of OpenSSL are affected including
1461 2014-04-08 10:53:08 <dexX7> 1.0.1f and 1.0.2-beta1."
1462 2014-04-08 10:53:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|woofpluf: No, only people who activated RPCSSL
1463 2014-04-08 10:53:27 <elichai2> but i now see 0.9.1 version
1464 2014-04-08 10:53:27 <woofpluf> ok
1465 2014-04-08 10:53:28 <wumpus> ok, I take that back... so it was a bad idea to upgrade openssl to 1.x
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1467 2014-04-08 10:53:59 <elichai2> ohh it's openssl versions lol
1468 2014-04-08 10:54:14 <elichai2> update 0.9.1 of bitcoin fixing this?
1469 2014-04-08 10:54:34 <wumpus> should have sticked with 0.9.8x, well it's easy to talk in retrospect, everyone was insisting on upgrading openssl before
1470 2014-04-08 10:54:54 <woofpluf> woofpluf: did you take back what you said to me about all versions? because I was told before 1.0 it wasn't vulnerable
1471 2014-04-08 10:55:10 <woofpluf> ok nvm you did
1472 2014-04-08 10:55:25 <woofpluf> ok i'm a bit strung up right now lol panicking at every little thing
1473 2014-04-08 10:55:26 <elichai2> some attension please ?
1474 2014-04-08 10:55:30 <elichai2> *attention
1475 2014-04-08 10:55:41 <elichai2> how can i check which openssl my bitcoin-qt runs?!
1476 2014-04-08 10:55:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|elichai2: the debug window has it
1477 2014-04-08 10:55:51 <wumpus> elichai2: read back
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1479 2014-04-08 10:55:55 <woofpluf> elichai: debug window
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1481 2014-04-08 10:56:08 <elichai2> thx!
1482 2014-04-08 10:56:13 <elichai2> i'll go check :)
1483 2014-04-08 10:56:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If you're using 1.0.1-1.0.1f, just don't click any bitcoin: links until 0.9.1, and you'll be completely safe
1484 2014-04-08 10:57:10 <elichai2> michagogo|cloud: bad right OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 ?
1485 2014-04-08 10:57:16 <wumpus> +1 <michagogo|cloud> If you're using 1.0.1-1.0.1f, just don't click any bitcoin: links until 0.9.1, and you'll be completely safe
1486 2014-04-08 10:57:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yes, that's a vulnerable version
1487 2014-04-08 10:57:38 <elichai2> ok, so how i upgrade to 0.9.1?
1488 2014-04-08 10:57:48 <elichai2> i need to reclone the git?
1489 2014-04-08 10:57:52 <wumpus> 0.9.1 is not built yet
1490 2014-04-08 10:57:57 <elichai2> and than compile?
1491 2014-04-08 10:58:04 <wumpus> sure, you can build it from git yourself
1492 2014-04-08 10:58:07 <elichai2> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/branches
1493 2014-04-08 10:58:27 <elichai2> how could i know when the work is finished?
1494 2014-04-08 10:58:41 <wumpus> so you are building it from source?
1495 2014-04-08 10:58:47 <wumpus> without gitian?
1496 2014-04-08 10:58:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Does bitcoind --help print the openssl version?
1497 2014-04-08 10:58:58 <wumpus> if so, you need to upgrade your OS'es OpenSSL lib
1498 2014-04-08 10:59:05 <elichai2> my version is already built from source
1499 2014-04-08 10:59:05 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: no, that just prints help
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1502 2014-04-08 10:59:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: Is there a way to find out what openssl version bitcoind is using, then?
1503 2014-04-08 10:59:50 <wumpus> elichai2: then just upgrade the openssl library that comes with your OS
1504 2014-04-08 10:59:52 <elichai2> wumpus: how can i check my Os's openssl version?
1505 2014-04-08 10:59:58 <elichai2> (i run linux)
1506 2014-04-08 11:00:02 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: not that I know of
1507 2014-04-08 11:00:07 <wumpus> elichai2: what linux?
1508 2014-04-08 11:00:14 <buZz> elichai2: dpkg -l | grep opensll
1509 2014-04-08 11:00:16 <buZz> eh
1510 2014-04-08 11:00:17 <buZz> openssl
1511 2014-04-08 11:00:30 <buZz> or > echo -n|openssl s_client -connect techinc.nl:443 -tlsextdebug 2>&1 |grep heartbeat
1512 2014-04-08 11:00:46 <buZz> to check heartbeat extension remoteley
1513 2014-04-08 11:00:47 <buZz> -e
1514 2014-04-08 11:00:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It might be libssl that you're looking for
1515 2014-04-08 11:01:14 <elichai2> buZz: i have 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5
1516 2014-04-08 11:01:27 <wumpus> elichai2: so upgrade
1517 2014-04-08 11:01:38 <elichai2> ii libssl-dev 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 i386 SSL development libraries, header files and documentation
1518 2014-04-08 11:01:40 <elichai2> ii libssl-doc 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 all SSL development documentation documentation
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1520 2014-04-08 11:01:42 <elichai2> ii libssl1.0.0:i386 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 i386 SSL shared libraries
1521 2014-04-08 11:01:43 <wumpus> if you have 1.0.x you need to upgrade to 1.0.1g
1522 2014-04-08 11:01:48 <elichai2> i don't see any update
1523 2014-04-08 11:01:56 <elichai2> i'll try run update&upgrade again :(
1524 2014-04-08 11:02:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|no
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1526 2014-04-08 11:02:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|1.0.1e-2+deb7u5 is fine
1527 2014-04-08 11:02:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;lucky 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5
1528 2014-04-08 11:02:20 <gribble> https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-0160
1529 2014-04-08 11:02:20 <wumpus> ... huh?
1530 2014-04-08 11:02:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|^
1531 2014-04-08 11:02:34 <wumpus> so how is that 1.0.1e fine but not ours?
1532 2014-04-08 11:02:36 <dexX7> https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-0160
1533 2014-04-08 11:02:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: because it's fixed
1534 2014-04-08 11:02:52 <buZz> all our important systems were still on squeeze ;)
1535 2014-04-08 11:02:55 <wumpus> I'll stop trying to make sense of this
1536 2014-04-08 11:03:08 <elichai2> buZz: why?!
1537 2014-04-08 11:03:13 <buZz> WHY~!?
1538 2014-04-08 11:03:20 <elichai2> buZz: maybe just add backports repo
1539 2014-04-08 11:03:21 <buZz> because we were too lazy to update them\
1540 2014-04-08 11:03:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: they put out version -2+deb7u5 for the stable release
1541 2014-04-08 11:03:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|-2+deb7u5 has the problem fixed
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1543 2014-04-08 11:04:19 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: ouch, but openssl won't return the +deb7... part of you ask it for the version, so this makes it impossible to determine based on the version in the debug window whether an install is vulnerable
1544 2014-04-08 11:04:19 <elichai2> so i'm ok? i just need to rebuild bitcoin now?
1545 2014-04-08 11:04:32 <sipa> dpkg -p libssl
1546 2014-04-08 11:04:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|elichai2: probably not
1547 2014-04-08 11:04:33 <sipa> ?
1548 2014-04-08 11:04:40 <wumpus> elichai2: if you didn't do anything special to build statically, you don't
1549 2014-04-08 11:04:52 <elichai2> wumpus: how can i know?
1550 2014-04-08 11:05:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|elichai2: `ldd /path/to/bitcoin/binary`
1551 2014-04-08 11:06:10 <elichai2> michagogo|cloud: http://pastebin.com/3usth4FJ
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1554 2014-04-08 11:07:25 <sipa> sure that's the bitcoin binary you are running?
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1556 2014-04-08 11:08:01 <elichai2> ohh lol
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1558 2014-04-08 11:08:17 <elichai2> that's the build that didn't worked :)
1559 2014-04-08 11:08:20 <elichai2> just a sec
1560 2014-04-08 11:09:10 <elichai2> here: http://pastebin.com/BpK0DiUa
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1562 2014-04-08 11:09:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Anything missing? http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22i9t1/psa_regarding_the_heartbleed_bug_cve20140160_and/
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1565 2014-04-08 11:10:29 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: looks good to me
1566 2014-04-08 11:10:36 <dexX7> if you can, include instructions how to update
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1569 2014-04-08 11:10:53 <elichai2> michagogo|cloud: ?
1570 2014-04-08 11:11:13 <Luke-Jr> michagogo|cloud: one thing I'd add
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1572 2014-04-08 11:11:32 <Luke-Jr> michagogo|cloud: if you've *ever* done either of those things, consider the wallet compromised, create a new one, and move all your funds
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1574 2014-04-08 11:11:44 <dexX7> too much fud
1575 2014-04-08 11:11:52 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: no, let's not panic that much
1576 2014-04-08 11:12:06 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: you going to cover losses? :/
1577 2014-04-08 11:12:10 <wumpus> I'm sure everyone clicked on a bitcoin: URI at one time or another
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1579 2014-04-08 11:12:18 <Luke-Jr> meh, then elaborate on that a little
1580 2014-04-08 11:12:43 <elichai2> wumpus: in fact i've clicked on one just today :/
1581 2014-04-08 11:12:46 <Luke-Jr> "If you've ever clicked a bitcoin: link and seen a green transaction with a company or name instead of a Bitcoin address"
1582 2014-04-08 11:12:51 <sipa> wumpus: pretty sure i never ran a 0.9 gui :)
1583 2014-04-08 11:12:52 <elichai2> (but it's opened Armory)
1584 2014-04-08 11:13:15 <elichai2> michagogo|cloud: here?
1585 2014-04-08 11:13:27 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: maybe add that the payment request is only an issue in 0.9.0
1586 2014-04-08 11:13:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: already done
1587 2014-04-08 11:13:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(refresh)
1588 2014-04-08 11:13:40 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: ok
1589 2014-04-08 11:14:02 <dexX7> "p.k.a."
1590 2014-04-08 11:14:17 <elichai2> michagogo|cloud: ?
1591 2014-04-08 11:14:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|elichai2: Hm?
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1593 2014-04-08 11:14:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dexX7: yes
1594 2014-04-08 11:14:33 <elichai2> elichai2 | here: http://pastebin.com/BpK0DiUa
1595 2014-04-08 11:14:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|elichai2: Yeah, you're dynamic
1596 2014-04-08 11:14:55 <elichai2> so to rebuild?
1597 2014-04-08 11:14:59 <elichai2> or not?
1598 2014-04-08 11:15:00 <dexX7> ah, i never heard of pka
1599 2014-04-08 11:15:05 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|No need, elichai2
1600 2014-04-08 11:15:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dexX7: previously known as
1601 2014-04-08 11:15:12 <dexX7> yup
1602 2014-04-08 11:15:14 <elichai2> hurray!
1603 2014-04-08 11:15:21 <elichai2> what about Armory?
1604 2014-04-08 11:15:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|elichai2: If you're dynamic, just restart it once you've upgraded OpenSSL
1605 2014-04-08 11:15:46 <wumpus> ok, I'm going to move ahead and tag v0.9.1...
1606 2014-04-08 11:16:37 <elichai2> michagogo|cloud: i did it, it's the same :(, OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013
1607 2014-04-08 11:16:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|elichai2: Like I said, it's fine
1608 2014-04-08 11:16:52 <elichai2> ohh lol
1609 2014-04-08 11:16:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Debian updated their openssl package without changing the version number
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1611 2014-04-08 11:17:04 <elichai2> and again, what about Armory?
1612 2014-04-08 11:17:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I don't know about Armory.
1613 2014-04-08 11:17:50 <wumpus> * [new tag] v0.9.1 -> v0.9.1
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1615 2014-04-08 11:18:01 <elichai2> there is any IRC for armory?
1616 2014-04-08 11:18:02 <sipa> elichai2: #bitcoin please
1617 2014-04-08 11:18:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|woot
1618 2014-04-08 11:18:07 <venzen> unfortunately, even after upgrading Ubuntu 12.04 to openssl1.0.1g doing '$ openssl version' still shows it as 1.0.1 on 14 March 2012, so that's going to create some more confusion - but i check the Ubuntu security site - it is indeed 1.0.1g http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2165-1/
1619 2014-04-08 11:18:07 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|starts his build server
1620 2014-04-08 11:18:10 <elichai2> sipa: ohh lol...
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1622 2014-04-08 11:18:31 <elichai2> wumpus: i have to upgrade to 0.9.1 if i'm not infected at openssl?
1623 2014-04-08 11:18:39 <sipa> elichai2: no
1624 2014-04-08 11:18:58 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: any other changes in 0.9.1, or just the OpenSSL stuff?
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1626 2014-04-08 11:19:08 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: just gitian changes
1627 2014-04-08 11:19:15 <Luke-Jr> k
1628 2014-04-08 11:19:24 <aschildbach> I just saw on git there is a new tag, do you need gitian builds?
1629 2014-04-08 11:19:26 * Luke-Jr kicks github for being slow
1630 2014-04-08 11:19:37 <wumpus> aschildbach: yes
1631 2014-04-08 11:20:03 <aschildbach> (I really wish there was a script for that.)
1632 2014-04-08 11:20:07 <wumpus> aschildbach: note that the linux deps, windows deps, and windows qt dependencies need to be rebuilt (because of openssl)
1633 2014-04-08 11:20:16 <wumpus> aschildbach: well make a script and contribute it :)
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1638 2014-04-08 11:21:47 <sipa> aschildbach: i have a script somewhere tgat builds from a local repo & signs & packages
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1641 2014-04-08 11:22:23 <sipa> aschildbach: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/builds/bitcoin-build.sh.txt
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1643 2014-04-08 11:23:03 * Luke-Jr suggests various people get their OpenSSL tarball from different sources just to be sure
1644 2014-04-08 11:23:13 <Luke-Jr> I got mine from Gentoo's mirror..
1645 2014-04-08 11:23:43 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: yes, it's too bad that openssl doesn't publish sha256, just md5 (yuck) and sha1
1646 2014-04-08 11:24:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sipa: missing linux deps, I think
1647 2014-04-08 11:25:01 <wumpus> it has probably not been updated for 0.9
1648 2014-04-08 11:25:22 <sipa> michagogo|cloud: feel free to update :)
1649 2014-04-08 11:25:30 <venzen> github is slooow right now
1650 2014-04-08 11:25:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Is it?
1651 2014-04-08 11:25:46 <wumpus> if the script becomes really useful, it should probably go into the bitcoin repository under contrib/devtools
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1657 2014-04-08 11:27:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah, there's my text message
1658 2014-04-08 11:27:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And email
1659 2014-04-08 11:29:20 <tiago> michagogo|cloud: got it now too :D
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1662 2014-04-08 11:30:01 <aschildbach> got a cryptic error when building the linux deps. ./bin/gbuild:21:in "system!"....
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1664 2014-04-08 11:30:18 <aschildbach> from ./bin/gbuild:84 "build_one_configuration"
1665 2014-04-08 11:30:24 <aschildbach> sorry had to type that by hand
1666 2014-04-08 11:30:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|aschildbach: pastebin the whole error and the var/[build|install].log?
1667 2014-04-08 11:30:59 <shesek> is it considered 2FA if it uses two factors of the same kind (e.g. two passwords)?
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1669 2014-04-08 11:31:58 <aschildbach> pastebin.com/8NEkrQPE
1670 2014-04-08 11:32:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Cryptic?
1671 2014-04-08 11:32:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The rest of the line tells you exactly what failed
1672 2014-04-08 11:32:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|on-target -u root apt-get update > var/install.log 2>&1""
1673 2014-04-08 11:32:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|"on-target -u root apt-get update > var/install.log 2>&1"*
1674 2014-04-08 11:32:51 <wumpus> strange, why would the apt-get update fail
1675 2014-04-08 11:33:01 <aschildbach> I'm running on 14.04
1676 2014-04-08 11:33:05 <wumpus> at least this has nothing to do with the descriptor itself, must be something on the system
1677 2014-04-08 11:33:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|aschildbach: pastebin var/install.log?
1678 2014-04-08 11:33:22 <wumpus> I use 14.04 as well
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1680 2014-04-08 11:33:38 <Luke-Jr> working fine for me, fwiw
1681 2014-04-08 11:34:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Same here
1682 2014-04-08 11:34:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Linux deps done
1683 2014-04-08 11:34:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|61c2dd59d0fab7b76cf0ee79b3f42b5a997808ff0f48127a6d12081c67ea6f6f bitcoin-deps-linux32-gitian-r4.zip
1684 2014-04-08 11:34:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|9b23e52a9f3cc51cc13fc1f6882126aca22dda83f05184f15642d9a0772eab71 bitcoin-deps-linux64-gitian-r4.zip
1685 2014-04-08 11:35:22 <aschildbach> install.log has a lot of connection problems to 10.0.2.2
1686 2014-04-08 11:35:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Do you have the bridge up?
1687 2014-04-08 11:36:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(lxc or kvm?)
1688 2014-04-08 11:36:30 <wumpus> ah yes the famous LXC bridge, sudo brctl addbr br0 / sudo ifconfig br0 10.0.2.2/24 up
1689 2014-04-08 11:36:33 <aschildbach> what bridge? I was last told to follow release-process.md
1690 2014-04-08 11:36:40 <aschildbach> and I don't see anything about a bridge
1691 2014-04-08 11:36:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|aschildbach: See the gitian readme
1692 2014-04-08 11:36:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It's a gitian thing, not a Bitcoin thing
1693 2014-04-08 11:36:58 <aschildbach> what gitian readme?
1694 2014-04-08 11:37:02 <wumpus> the bridge is only needed if you use LXC for building, it's gitian option specific, so doesn't appear in the build process
1695 2014-04-08 11:37:05 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|the readme in gitian-builder
1696 2014-04-08 11:37:08 <aschildbach> Guys, we really need a self-contained readme
1697 2014-04-08 11:37:24 <wumpus> aschildbach: I posted one to the mailing list
1698 2014-04-08 11:37:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|aschildbach: Well, Gitian is Gitian
1699 2014-04-08 11:37:27 <aschildbach> Better yet, a script that I can just run
1700 2014-04-08 11:37:41 <tiago> aschildbach: I have a script sort of like that
1701 2014-04-08 11:37:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The bridge thing is in the same category as "export USE_LXC=1"
1702 2014-04-08 11:37:51 <tiago> depends on my directory structure though
1703 2014-04-08 11:37:58 <wumpus> aschildbach: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/gitian-building.md
1704 2014-04-08 11:37:59 <tiago> and the previous steps
1705 2014-04-08 11:38:04 <tiago> and manually downloading the deps
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1707 2014-04-08 11:38:44 <Emcy> well windows xp is officially EOL today
1708 2014-04-08 11:38:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|\o/
1709 2014-04-08 11:38:54 <aschildbach> And if we have that readme, we should remove *all* other readmes. I've been on wrong paths several times now because of outdated information (in the Bitcoin repos)
1710 2014-04-08 11:38:57 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|dances on XP's grave
1711 2014-04-08 11:39:10 <Emcy> and im sure people have been holding back loads of 0days for a while now
1712 2014-04-08 11:39:20 <tiago> Emcy: I know, got a mail from my grandfather telling me his anti-virus is complaining
1713 2014-04-08 11:39:41 <wumpus> reddit /r/bitcoin is really a joke isn't it? I don't understand how michagogo|cloud's PSA has three downvotes already
1714 2014-04-08 11:39:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: might be the vote fuzzing
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1716 2014-04-08 11:40:01 <wumpus> or just stupid people
1717 2014-04-08 11:40:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Probably is, actually
1718 2014-04-08 11:40:07 <Emcy> the bitcoin subred is a pumproom
1719 2014-04-08 11:40:11 <Emcy> nothing more
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1721 2014-04-08 11:40:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Nah, they add upvote and downvote pairs at random, something about avoiding votespam bots
1722 2014-04-08 11:40:26 <Emcy> in fact reddit overall is fucking useless pile of groupthink
1723 2014-04-08 11:40:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|or something
1724 2014-04-08 11:40:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;lucky --snippet reddit vote fuzzing
1725 2014-04-08 11:40:37 <gribble> http://www.reddit.com/wiki/faq | Mar 17, 2014 ... Please note that the vote numbers are not "real" numbers, they have been " fuzzed" to prevent spam bots etc. So taking the above example, ...
1726 2014-04-08 11:40:48 <tiago> Emcy: well come on, there are a bunch of good subs
1727 2014-04-08 11:41:00 <Emcy> like what
1728 2014-04-08 11:41:01 <tiago> I do agree that /r/bitcoin is a shithole though
1729 2014-04-08 11:41:35 <Emcy> its like what if we took slashdot and replaced the smug with dumb instead
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1732 2014-04-08 11:41:47 <tiago> they are getting worse by the minute though
1733 2014-04-08 11:41:48 <sipa> loi
1734 2014-04-08 11:42:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|How is a submission's score determined?
1735 2014-04-08 11:42:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|A submission's score is simply the number of upvotes minus the number of downvotes. If five users like the submission and three users don't it will have a score of 2. Please note that the vote numbers are not "real" numbers, they have been "fuzzed" to prevent spam bots etc. So taking the above example, if five users upvoted the submission, and three users
1736 2014-04-08 11:42:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|downvote it, the upvote/downvote numbers may say 23 upvotes and 21 downvotes, or 12 upvotes, and 10 downvotes. The points score is correct, but the vote totals are "fuzzed".
1737 2014-04-08 11:43:07 <vetch> something about not allowing spammers to see if they are shadow banned or now.
1738 2014-04-08 11:43:28 <aschildbach> wumpus: How do I know if I use/have used LXC?
1739 2014-04-08 11:43:36 <vetch> pretty pointless as somebody still manages to spam the hell out of that subreddit, and on here, and on bitcointalk.
1740 2014-04-08 11:43:36 <aschildbach> I can't remember
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1743 2014-04-08 11:44:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|aschildbach: ls gitian-builder/base*
1744 2014-04-08 11:44:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Do you have two copies of each file, one with and one without .qcow2?
1745 2014-04-08 11:45:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Or do you just have the qcow2s?
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1747 2014-04-08 11:45:24 <aschildbach> just two qcow2's
1748 2014-04-08 11:45:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah, so that's KVM
1749 2014-04-08 11:46:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(an actual VM, not just a container)
1750 2014-04-08 11:46:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hm. Is apt-cacher-ng running?
1751 2014-04-08 11:46:55 <aschildbach> no
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1755 2014-04-08 11:48:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|That may be why
1756 2014-04-08 11:49:25 <aschildbach> but that package was never installed as it seems, and I was able to produce 0.9.0 sigs
1757 2014-04-08 11:50:31 <sipa> aschildbach: sure? without apt-cacher-ng, the VM shouldn't be able to download its packages at all
1758 2014-04-08 11:51:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Windows deps done: 97e62002d338885336bb24e7cbb9471491294bd8857af7a83d18c0961f864ec0 bitcoin-deps-win32-gitian-r11.zip
1759 2014-04-08 11:51:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|ee3ea2d5aac1a67ea6bfbea2c04068a7c0940616ce48ee4f37c264bb9d4438ef bitcoin-deps-win64-gitian-r11.zip
1760 2014-04-08 11:51:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Now, for qt.... :-/
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1762 2014-04-08 11:54:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: Will you also be getting the codesigning and alert keys, as the Bitcoin Core Maintainer?
1763 2014-04-08 11:56:07 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: alert keys, yes, code signing will be done by gavin for now, until we find a way that is not so centralized
1764 2014-04-08 11:56:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Uh, does such a way exist?
1765 2014-04-08 11:56:49 <sipa> threshold signing
1766 2014-04-08 11:56:51 <wumpus> I have no idea
1767 2014-04-08 11:57:55 <aschildbach> sipa: maybe following the 14.04 beta removed the package at some time. I installed it and now it seems to get across that point.
1768 2014-04-08 11:58:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|sipa: I mean, in a way that is recognized by Apple and Microsof
1769 2014-04-08 11:58:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|t
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1782 2014-04-08 12:04:33 <elichai2> ;;tslb
1783 2014-04-08 12:04:39 <gribble> Time since last block: 31 minutes and 33 seconds
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1788 2014-04-08 12:08:20 <sipa> michagogo|cloud: well, it's "just" RSA
1789 2014-04-08 12:11:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I wonder how unneccesarily hackish what I just did is:
1790 2014-04-08 12:11:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/A93QNoNQ
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1897 2014-04-08 12:29:55 <elichai2> any Armory developer out there?
1898 2014-04-08 12:30:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: Heh, since you tagged me in your commit message, I just got an email from Dogecoin
1899 2014-04-08 12:30:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(cherry-picking that commit)
1900 2014-04-08 12:30:11 <wumpus> LOL
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1902 2014-04-08 12:30:21 <wumpus> now we can track where the commit goes :p
1903 2014-04-08 12:30:35 <Luke-Jr> michagogo|cloud: but you're not in #dogecoin-wizards !
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1910 2014-04-08 12:31:39 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: your assert file is weird
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1912 2014-04-08 12:31:59 <wumpus> weird in what way?
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1917 2014-04-08 12:32:32 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: blank lines all over
1918 2014-04-08 12:32:50 <wumpus> that is something that comes with newer ruby versions
1919 2014-04-08 12:32:59 <Luke-Jr> sigh
1920 2014-04-08 12:33:04 <wumpus> it's still valid yaml, but the 'pretty printing' changed slightly
1921 2014-04-08 12:33:42 <Luke-Jr> and makes diff hard
1922 2014-04-08 12:33:51 <Luke-Jr> anyhow, I think ours match
1923 2014-04-08 12:33:55 <Luke-Jr> for win
1924 2014-04-08 12:33:59 <Luke-Jr> building linux now
1925 2014-04-08 12:34:04 <Luke-Jr> did the mac get merged?
1926 2014-04-08 12:34:39 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: the changes needed for gitian mac building have been merged into master
1927 2014-04-08 12:34:46 <wumpus> not in 0.9.1 though
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1932 2014-04-08 12:35:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Qt is still building...
1933 2014-04-08 12:35:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|About 45 minutes so far :-/
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1935 2014-04-08 12:39:06 <wumpus> not sure how long it took here, but I'm sure it was not 45 minutes, but there are a lot of files to compile so it makes sense it'd take a while
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1939 2014-04-08 12:39:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Yeah, I know, Qt is big
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1948 2014-04-08 12:44:57 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wonders how close to the end he is
1949 2014-04-08 12:44:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|x86_64-w64-mingw32-g++ -c -include .pch/release/qt_widgets_pch.h -pipe -fno-keep-inline-dllexport -isystem /usr/x86_64-w64-mingw32/include/ -frandom-seed=qtbuild -I/home/ubuntu/deps64/include -O2 -std=c++0x -fno-exceptions -frtti -Wall -Wextra -DUNICODE -DQT_NO_LIBUDEV -DQT_NO_EVDEV -DQT_NO_XCB -DQT_NO_XKBCOMMON -DQT_NO_USING_NAMESPACE -DQT_BUILD_WIDGETS_LIB
1950 2014-04-08 12:44:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|-DQT_BUILDING_QT -DQT_NO_CAST_TO_ASCII -DQT_ASCII_CAST_WARNINGS -DQT_MOC_COMPAT -DQT_USE_QSTRINGBUILDER -DQT_DEPRECATED_WARNINGS -DQT_DISABLE_DEPRECATED_BEFORE=0x040800 -D_USE_MATH_DEFINES -DQT_NO_STYLE_MAC -DQT_NO_STYLE_GTK -DQT_NO_STYLE_WINDOWSCE -DQT_NO_STYLE_WINDOWSMOBILE -DQT_NO_STYLE_ANDROID -DQT_NO_EXCEPTIONS -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB
1951 2014-04-08 12:44:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|-I. -I'../../include' -I'../../include/QtWidgets' -I'../../include/QtWidgets/5.2.0' -I'../../include/QtWidgets/5.2.0/QtWidgets' -I'tmp' -I'../3rdparty/wintab' -I'dialogs' -I'.uic' -I'../../include/QtGui/5.2.0' -I'../../include/QtGui/5.2.0/QtGui' -I'../../include/QtGui' -I'../../include/QtCore/5.2.0' -I'../../include/QtCore/5.2.0/QtCore'
1952 2014-04-08 12:44:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|-I'../../include/QtCore' -I'.moc/release' -I'../../mkspecs/win32-g++' -o .obj/release/qtreeview.o itemviews/qtreeview.cpp
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1954 2014-04-08 12:45:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Gah, didn't mean to paste that
1955 2014-04-08 12:45:49 <Zoop_> LIAR!
1956 2014-04-08 12:45:54 <Zoop_> :) jk
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1967 2014-04-08 12:53:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Finally, qt done
1968 2014-04-08 12:53:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|963e3e5e85879010a91143c90a711a5d1d5aba992e38672cdf7b54e42c56b2f1 qt-win32-5.2.0-gitian-r3.zip
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2015 2014-04-08 13:29:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|linux build done
2016 2014-04-08 13:29:20 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|goes to shut the bell up
2017 2014-04-08 13:31:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|BTW, anyone know if there's an easier way to do this? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/A93QNoNQ
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2032 2014-04-08 13:45:22 <shesek> sorry for the off-topic-ness, but would anyone mind giving some feedback on an authentication system I'm implementing? https://gist.github.com/shesek/10126049
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2036 2014-04-08 13:46:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Gah, my internet connection went down
2037 2014-04-08 13:47:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And I forgot to run the gbuild in screen :-/
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2041 2014-04-08 13:49:24 <dexX7> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=556744.msg6120712#msg6120712: "The consensus is that block sizes will be increased at some not-too-far-off point in the future." -- is this true?
2042 2014-04-08 13:50:39 <petertodd> dexX7: no
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2044 2014-04-08 13:51:49 <wumpus> well we'd need a floating fee system first, then if it turns out that the transaction pressure in 1MB blocks becomes too high (ie, expensive) it'd be a possible solution... but consensus? no
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2059 2014-04-08 13:55:32 <petertodd> wumpus, dexX7: at princeton's bitcoin workshop the group I was in for the break-away session were looking at miner incentives, and we couldn't even get consensus that the the current model of tx fees paying for hashing power will work
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2068 2014-04-08 14:00:19 <dexX7> hehe i just noticed you are actually the one behind the "keep bitcoin free" video on youtube, petertodd :)
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2070 2014-04-08 14:00:25 <gpmnlxdw> how to clear the local mempool? in which file does it stored in?
2071 2014-04-08 14:00:50 <sipa> gpmnlxdw: "mem" in "mempool" means memory :p
2072 2014-04-08 14:00:56 <sipa> it's not stored in a file
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2074 2014-04-08 14:01:58 <gpmnlxdw> if I restart the program, the mempool's data will cleared and sync from the network again?
2075 2014-04-08 14:02:50 <paveljanik> yes
2076 2014-04-08 14:02:57 <sipa> yes
2077 2014-04-08 14:03:13 <petertodd> dexX7: yup... but anyway, raising the blocksize is really a #bitcoin-wizards topic
2078 2014-04-08 14:03:14 <sipa> but parts of the mempool that are in your wallet will be automatically added again
2079 2014-04-08 14:03:15 <gpmnlxdw> oh I seeeeeeeee, thank you all!
2080 2014-04-08 14:03:24 <paveljanik> not the same contents, but ...
2081 2014-04-08 14:03:31 <wumpus> there is a pull that introduces mempool save/restore, but it's not merged yet
2082 2014-04-08 14:04:07 <dexX7> petertodd: i was just curious about this "there is consensus" statement
2083 2014-04-08 14:04:22 <wumpus> there is a lot of nonsense on the bitcoin talk forums
2084 2014-04-08 14:04:32 <sipa> wumpus: you still visit them? :)
2085 2014-04-08 14:04:35 <petertodd> wumpus: fwiw mempool save/restore probably could make some DoS attacks worse, particularly if you also add retrieving mempools from peers at startup
2086 2014-04-08 14:04:58 <wumpus> sipa: very rarely, ususally only around releases to see if people found bugs
2087 2014-04-08 14:05:13 <wumpus> petertodd: the purpose would be to stabilize fee estimation for floating fees
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2089 2014-04-08 14:05:28 <sipa> petertodd: save/restore mempool should be coupled with a way to expire things from the mempool
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2093 2014-04-08 14:05:51 <wumpus> petertodd: if you use the mempool to estimate fees and it starts off empty, you get potentially a lot of fluctuation as it fills up
2094 2014-04-08 14:05:58 <sipa> petertodd: it cannot guarantee that things will expire, but neither does the current "nodes sometimes restart" guarantee that
2095 2014-04-08 14:06:01 <wumpus> but yes, it has to be done carefully
2096 2014-04-08 14:06:25 <sipa> i still think fee estimation should be done based on seeing which transactions in the mempool do *not* enter the blockchain
2097 2014-04-08 14:06:40 <sipa> which, with an empty mempool, would just not have enough information
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2099 2014-04-08 14:06:59 <petertodd> sipa: I know - e.g. with the CHECKMULTISIG sigops issue one of the things making it harder to exploit is that as nodes restart they don't reget tx's, so there's a limit to how deep a chain of unconfirmed tx's you can flood the network with, similarly, you have to keep re-attacking to do anything
2100 2014-04-08 14:08:17 <petertodd> sipa: whereas with mempool save/restore and fetching from peers, it's easy to see how a node could get into a crash/restart/crash loop if handled badly
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2111 2014-04-08 14:12:35 <gavinandresen> sipa: seeing which transactions do NOT enter the blockchain will give you a floor, but won't tell you what fee you need to get a txn to confirm quickly. Which is what users want to know.
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2113 2014-04-08 14:13:47 <sipa> gavinandresen: that's a good argument i didn't hear before
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2116 2014-04-08 14:14:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Gbuild done
2117 2014-04-08 14:14:46 <gavinandresen> also in general RE: fees: lets not make the perfect the enemy of the better. FEES ARE BROKEN RIGHT NOW
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2119 2014-04-08 14:14:58 <sipa> gavinandresen: agree there too
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2121 2014-04-08 14:15:01 <gavinandresen> the reference implementation is sending transaction with fees (or priorities) that are too low
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2124 2014-04-08 14:15:24 <gavinandresen> ⦠and we will be seeing increasing complaints from users whose transactions do not confirm for a very long time
2125 2014-04-08 14:15:25 <sipa> gavinandresen: but i still don't like how easily this can be gamed
2126 2014-04-08 14:15:39 <gavinandresen> sipa: specifics please?
2127 2014-04-08 14:15:52 <sipa> gavinandresen: miners can include their own high-fee transactions
2128 2014-04-08 14:16:05 <gavinandresen> sipa: ⦠only if they broadcast them first
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2130 2014-04-08 14:16:33 <gavinandresen> only fees in your memory pool, that you first saw broadcast across the network, are included in the fee estimate (current pull request)
2131 2014-04-08 14:17:17 <gavinandresen> ⦠so miners can broadcast high-fee-send-to-self transactions, but they'll only get whatever percentage of those fees corresponding to their hash power
2132 2014-04-08 14:17:24 <gavinandresen> ⦠so assuming <50%, they cannot game
2133 2014-04-08 14:17:25 <petertodd> sipa: the real gaming problem is sybil attacks
2134 2014-04-08 14:17:51 <gavinandresen> petertodd: sybil attacks?
2135 2014-04-08 14:18:05 <petertodd> sipa: but hard to pull off, and if it's an issue, possible to detect with the "near block" broadcasts stuff I mentioned on the -dev list awhile back
2136 2014-04-08 14:19:11 <gavinandresen> petertodd: I still have no clue what you are talking about.
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2138 2014-04-08 14:19:51 <sipa> gavinandresen: still, it ignores that miners can have deals that pay them outside of fees
2139 2014-04-08 14:20:20 <sipa> the mempool/p2p broadcast mechanism is one way to get transactions to miners, but there can be others
2140 2014-04-08 14:20:40 <sipa> gavinandresen: but i agree, improving the current state is the priority
2141 2014-04-08 14:20:45 <gavinandresen> sipa: huh? If the transactions are not broadcast, they do not enter into the fee estimation
2142 2014-04-08 14:20:59 <sipa> they can be broadcast but deprioritized by miners
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2144 2014-04-08 14:21:26 <petertodd> sipa: no, the issue there is it makes those low-fee transactions that get mined anyway due to deals get broadcast around the network - it doesn't make sense to accept tx's directly with low/no-fees, paid by a deal, and then *not* broadcast them to the rest of the network
2145 2014-04-08 14:22:11 <petertodd> sipa: with the caching of sig hashes, and future relay headers, you *always* want your tx broadcast around the network even if you're accepting a deal to mine them for something other than tx fees
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2149 2014-04-08 14:22:36 <gavinandresen> I see. Yes, that might influence the estimate down, but only if those are a significant fraction of transactions. Again, perfect enemy of good
2150 2014-04-08 14:22:55 <gavinandresen> petertodd: what sybil attack? DO you mean a node isloation attack? Those aren't interesting....
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2152 2014-04-08 14:23:00 <petertodd> gavinandresen: anyway, double-spend broadcasts is going to make replace-by-fee easy to implement
2153 2014-04-08 14:23:16 <gpmnlxdw> I sendrawtransaction blablabla , but report "transaction already in block chain (code -5)", how can I get its txid?
2154 2014-04-08 14:23:25 <sipa> gpmnlxdw: hash it?
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2156 2014-04-08 14:23:39 <gavinandresen> I think decoderawtransaction gives you a txid. But I might be misremembering
2157 2014-04-08 14:23:46 <gpmnlxdw> yes
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2163 2014-04-08 14:24:39 <gpmnlxdw> I send rawtransaction with error -22 last night; and I post it in the bitcointalk; It seems somebody test it again, now maybe it has been sent out
2164 2014-04-08 14:24:40 <petertodd> gavinandresen: node isolation attacks are the reason why bitcoin exists... but anyway, this is verging into wizards/basic-theory discussion
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2166 2014-04-08 14:24:50 <gpmnlxdw> I want to figure it out
2167 2014-04-08 14:25:12 <petertodd> gpmnlxdw: use decoderawtransaction <hex> and look for the tx hash at the top
2168 2014-04-08 14:25:42 <gavinandresen> petertodd: unless I misunderstood you, you claimed the fee estimation pull is vulnerable to a sybil attack of some sort. That is definitely bitcoin-dev-worthy.
2169 2014-04-08 14:25:49 <gpmnlxdw> I got it, thanks
2170 2014-04-08 14:25:57 <gpmnlxdw> thank you peter!
2171 2014-04-08 14:26:43 * gavinandresen hates trying to guess what other people are thinking when they don't express themselves clearly.....
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2173 2014-04-08 14:27:27 <gpmnlxdw> faint, the txid is exactly what I post yesterday night
2174 2014-04-08 14:27:45 <sipa> petertodd: i assume you mean that if i can sybil you, and only let you see high-fee transactions, you'll guess a too high-fee?
2175 2014-04-08 14:27:50 <sipa> petertodd: and the other way around?
2176 2014-04-08 14:27:52 <petertodd> gavinandresen: well of course it is, you sybil attack/isolate nodes so that high-fee tx's don't actually get to other miners - one way to look at bitcoin is it's a way to take a shitty jam-free network and make it into a better one, specifically one where you can detect the degree to which you are being jammed. obviously non-confirmed tx's aren't subject to that guarantee as there's no proof they've been seen by any hashing power at all. (hence my ...
2177 2014-04-08 14:27:58 <petertodd> ... suggestion of near-block broadcasts ages ago)
2178 2014-04-08 14:28:26 <petertodd> sipa: yup, and notably, that's not something replace-by-fee can protect against either
2179 2014-04-08 14:28:42 <sipa> well, fee guessing will always be a heuristic anyway
2180 2014-04-08 14:28:50 <gpmnlxdw> I suppose the "tx is rejected with code -22" is just because I have spent it .......
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2182 2014-04-08 14:29:03 <sipa> as miners can't prove they are using a particular strategy to select their transactions, and commit to it
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2184 2014-04-08 14:29:20 <petertodd> sipa: yeah, it's the "too-low" case that's probably most annoying, as without replacement the expiration can take a heck of a long time
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2186 2014-04-08 14:29:48 <gavinandresen> petertodd: okey dokey. I think one of the big problems we have with this project is people constantly worrying too much about problems we MIGHT have in two years, instead of worrying about problems we DO have right now.
2187 2014-04-08 14:30:00 <gpmnlxdw> Hi Sipa, where defined the min fee for a transaction ? last night I found a formula : (min_fee_unit * 181 / 1024), is it right? where defines the code?
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2190 2014-04-08 14:30:21 <petertodd> sipa: tx volume changes too, so what was a high fee now may be too low in the immediate future
2191 2014-04-08 14:30:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Okay, after a bit of a screwup with PR #24 (I forgot I used master for that...)...
2192 2014-04-08 14:30:28 <sipa> gpmnlxdw: fee = fee_per_kilobyte * transaction_size_in_kilobyte
2193 2014-04-08 14:30:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Here are my 0.9.1 sigs: https://github.com/bitcoin/gitian.sigs/pull/27
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2196 2014-04-08 14:31:30 <gpmnlxdw> okï¼ how much is fee_per_kilobyte?
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2200 2014-04-08 14:32:07 <sipa> gpmnlxdw: whatever you think is necessary; 0.8 nodes by default won't relay below 10000 satoshi/kilobyte; 0.9 won't below 1000 satoshi per kilobyte
2201 2014-04-08 14:32:08 <petertodd> gpmnlxdw: 0.0001 is what miners actually are willing to mine in practice right now
2202 2014-04-08 14:32:35 <sipa> neither of which is guaranteed to make your transaction actually being mined, as it competes with others
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2205 2014-04-08 14:32:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: we match
2206 2014-04-08 14:33:06 <gavinandresen> gpmnlxdw: fee estimation code says 0.0008 per kilobyte if you want to get into the next block reliably.
2207 2014-04-08 14:33:36 <gavinandresen> michagogo|cloud wumpus : I'm building the dependencies right now...
2208 2014-04-08 14:33:47 <gpmnlxdw> it is a little expensive .....
2209 2014-04-08 14:33:53 <gpmnlxdw> >_<
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2213 2014-04-08 14:34:30 <sipa> gavinandresen: that's close to $1 for a basic transaction; interesting
2214 2014-04-08 14:34:47 <sipa> $0.4, rather
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2216 2014-04-08 14:35:04 <gpmnlxdw> sendrawtransaction xxxxxxxxx, while xxxxxxxxxx contains 18xx chars, does it mean that transaction's size is 18xx bytes?
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2220 2014-04-08 14:35:24 <gavinandresen> sipa: divide by four, because most transactions are about 250 bytes, not 1K
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2222 2014-04-08 14:36:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gpmnlxdw: divide that in half
2223 2014-04-08 14:36:17 <gpmnlxdw> 1:4 is the ratio of hashcode_size:tx_binary_size?
2224 2014-04-08 14:36:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Each two hex digits are one byte
2225 2014-04-08 14:36:31 <gpmnlxdw> oh, I see ....
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2237 2014-04-08 14:42:31 <gpmnlxdw> I'm a little worry about the fees, if my web visiters are forced to pay extra nearly 0.0001 btc for one transaction ......
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2239 2014-04-08 14:43:00 <gpmnlxdw> oh, it is nearly 0.001, not 0.0001
2240 2014-04-08 14:43:10 <gpmnlxdw> not so cheap >_<
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2242 2014-04-08 14:43:51 <gpmnlxdw> especially the poor guys such as me >_<
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2268 2014-04-08 14:47:42 <gpmnlxdw> the minim fee : 10000satoshi = 0.0001 btc, am i right?
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2282 2014-04-08 14:50:07 <gpmnlxdw> the minim fee : 10000satoshi = 0.0001 btc, am i right?
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2370 2014-04-08 15:30:21 <maaku> Orphan blocks never make it to disk, right?
2371 2014-04-08 15:30:43 <sipa> indeed (if you're talking about actual orphans)
2372 2014-04-08 15:30:57 <maaku> or more directly : it should be possible to add an nHeight to CDiskBlockPos?
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2375 2014-04-08 15:32:13 <sipa> maaku: seems possible, yes
2376 2014-04-08 15:32:22 <sipa> maaku: but why? CBlockIndex does know the height
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2379 2014-04-08 15:33:33 <dgenr8> the basic incentive problem is that the network has too little influence on the content of the next block
2380 2014-04-08 15:35:20 <GAit> sipa: do you know is slush hangs out there any often?
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2382 2014-04-08 15:35:29 <GAit> s/there/here
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2384 2014-04-08 15:35:51 <maaku> sipa: I'll be making that change too. For the same reason as before .. have to know what height the block/tx is for hard-fork serialization changes
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2388 2014-04-08 15:39:20 <maaku> sipa: because, e.g., ReadTxIndex goes CDiskTxPos -> CTransaction
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2394 2014-04-08 15:44:12 <hearn> GAit: not normally
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2396 2014-04-08 15:44:29 <GAit> thanks hearn
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2503 2014-04-08 16:37:52 <HongFaeBu> hi can anyone tell me why I cant get the raw transaction to a of a given transaction? http://pastebin.com/hqfSD9aP
2504 2014-04-08 16:38:46 <HongFaeBu> bitcoin-0.9.0-linux/bin/64/bitcoind running on testnet fyi
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2535 2014-04-08 16:59:42 <Happzz> does bitcoind's rpc use openssl somehow?
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2538 2014-04-08 16:59:53 <Happzz> (asking in relation to heartbleed)
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2540 2014-04-08 17:00:09 <justanot1eruser> Happzz: if you enable i
2541 2014-04-08 17:00:11 <justanot1eruser> it
2542 2014-04-08 17:00:23 * Happzz smells problems
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2545 2014-04-08 17:01:12 <gavinandresen> yes, only if you enable -rpcssl . And if you do that, we HOPE you've locked down -allowip so arbitrary people can't ssl-connect to your RPC interface .
2546 2014-04-08 17:01:28 <gavinandresen> In any case, we are working on a fixed 0.9.1 release right now.
2547 2014-04-08 17:01:33 <gmaxwell> s/locked down/not unlocked allowip/
2548 2014-04-08 17:01:47 <gavinandresen> right, allowip is locked tight by default....
2549 2014-04-08 17:01:47 <gmaxwell> and not unlocked the bind.
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2551 2014-04-08 17:02:58 <justanot1eruser> So I should assume people are going through their peer list and trying to find users with it enabled?
2552 2014-04-08 17:03:21 <justanot1eruser> It's free money after all
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2555 2014-04-08 17:04:58 <Happzz> justanot1eruser i bet.
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2565 2014-04-08 17:11:35 <gmaxwell> justanot1eruser: fortunately it's almost certantly the case that no bitcoin private key data ends up in that memory even if they've enabled rpcssl and even if they've opened up bind and allowip... because we have a seperate allocator for private key data and zeroize those allocations when freed. (obviously there should be an update, and we started the wheels turning on that yesterday)
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2570 2014-04-08 17:13:49 <todam00n> what is the maximum block size in bytes?
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2573 2014-04-08 17:16:04 <todam00n> 2^20 or 1000^2 .. or something else?
2574 2014-04-08 17:16:43 <helo> 1000000
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2576 2014-04-08 17:18:06 <Emcy> i thought it was 1024kb
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2582 2014-04-08 17:20:25 <helo> static const unsigned int MAX_BLOCK_SIZE = 1000000;
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2587 2014-04-08 17:27:01 <Emcy> why would it not be a power of 2
2588 2014-04-08 17:27:28 <Emcy> was satoshi on the mibibyte hipster bandwagon
2589 2014-04-08 17:27:34 <jcorgan> and just fyi as a month ago or so the largest actual block in the chain has been 998K.
2590 2014-04-08 17:27:55 <Emcy> that must be close to the max
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2594 2014-04-08 17:29:52 <vetch> if you were mining you really could pack it out to exactly 1000000 bytes if you so chose.
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2596 2014-04-08 17:30:36 <vetch> or 999999 bytes, I don't know if it is less or equal.
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2599 2014-04-08 17:32:58 <jcorgan> i did a histogram of block sizes a little while back, it had some interesting artifacts. i don't have it handy at the moment, though.
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2602 2014-04-08 17:34:15 <Emcy> some people have strange miners dont they
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2623 2014-04-08 17:46:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Wow, we got lots of sigs
2624 2014-04-08 17:46:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Very quickly too
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2628 2014-04-08 17:52:50 <gmaxwell> I have goodnews and badnews in the rpcssl case. It looks like the space is almost all zeros always in the release binaries. I think, as expected, that even if you've enabled rpcssl, bind, and allowip to make your self vulnerable its unlikely to go leak your bitcoin private keys. Thats the good news. The bad news is that it does leak the most recent RPC request. Which is kinda bad if the last one was a walletpassphrase.
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2631 2014-04-08 17:54:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|So is the release at this point just a matter of Gavin signing the bins?
2632 2014-04-08 17:55:19 <jouke> gmaxwell: but it leaked only to allowed ip's didnt it?
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2636 2014-04-08 18:01:02 <GAit> gmaxwell: thanks for finding out, interesting.
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2638 2014-04-08 18:02:52 <gmaxwell> jouke: sure. and only if you bind to a public address.
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2640 2014-04-08 18:03:19 <gmaxwell> (and enable it in the first place, of course)
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2653 2014-04-08 18:15:22 <chmod755> hello, so the heartbleed bug was fixed by openssl developers?
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2655 2014-04-08 18:16:15 <beachandbytes> there is a patch for it yes
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2658 2014-04-08 18:16:28 <beachandbytes> but individual servers need to apply it
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2662 2014-04-08 18:18:18 <chmod755> It appears that OpenSSL and the FBI webservers are vulnerable to #Heartbleed. Hilarious "responsible disclosure" is hilarious. << lmao
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2671 2014-04-08 18:21:48 <maaku> Inside ConnectBlock(), there is the following line : if (!FindUndoPos(state, pindex->nFile, pos, ::GetSerializeSize(blockundo, SER_DISK, CLIENT_VERSION, &Params()) + 40))
2672 2014-04-08 18:21:54 <maaku> what is the "+ 40" at the end?
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2678 2014-04-08 18:23:53 <kjj> addition by an integer constant. :)
2679 2014-04-08 18:24:04 <maaku> :) okay, but why 40?
2680 2014-04-08 18:25:31 <maaku> n/m I think I found it. it's just a conservative estimate of the number of other bytes written in WriteToDisk()
2681 2014-04-08 18:26:20 <sipa> maaku: not conservative, exact
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2686 2014-04-08 18:26:36 <sipa> 4 bytes magic, 4 bytes size, 32 bytes hash
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2688 2014-04-08 18:26:50 <sipa> that should be a constant in CBlockUndo really
2689 2014-04-08 18:27:48 <kjj> should be 3 constants, MAGIC_SIZE, SIZE_SIZE, HASH_SIZE
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2691 2014-04-08 18:28:29 <sipa> and a sum constant of all, OVERHEAD_SIZE or something
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2695 2014-04-08 18:32:04 <dexX7> say i have a chain of unconfirmed transactions, each dependent on the others. what happens in the case a miner becomes aware of one of them but doesn't know about the previous ones yet?
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2700 2014-04-08 18:35:50 <kjj> it goes in their orphan pile
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2712 2014-04-08 18:41:26 <chmod755> http://filippo.io/Heartbleed/#www.federalreserve.gov
2713 2014-04-08 18:41:30 <chmod755> www.federalreserve.gov IS VULNERABLE.
2714 2014-04-08 18:41:34 <chmod755> O.o
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2716 2014-04-08 18:42:16 <beachandbytes> luckily im not logging into my fed reserve account lol
2717 2014-04-08 18:42:59 <chmod755> beachandbytes, my bank is also affected ....
2718 2014-04-08 18:43:02 <chmod755> like wtf
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2720 2014-04-08 18:43:32 <kjj> https://xkcd.com/932/
2721 2014-04-08 18:44:05 <chmod755> kjj, indeed
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2724 2014-04-08 18:45:49 <chmod755> kjj, i thought it's something serious..........
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2730 2014-04-08 18:51:58 <gavinandresen> 0.9.1 binaries up at: https://bitcoin.org/bin/0.9.1/ : can y'all download and sanity-test to make sure bits didn't flipped in the upload process?
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2738 2014-04-08 18:54:55 <gavinandresen> ⦠so download, run, then quick message here just saying "installed from the windows.zip, worked great"
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2740 2014-04-08 18:55:19 <midnightmagic> holy quick
2741 2014-04-08 18:56:07 <hearn> huh, bitcoin core is still called bitcoin-qt on MacOS?
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2743 2014-04-08 18:57:47 <gavinandresen> hearn: mmm. Renaming binaries wasn't done because⦠I don't remember (concern about breaking various scripts, maybe?)
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2745 2014-04-08 18:57:53 <Apocalyptic> gmaxwell, d34th claims the whole memory space is dumpable
2746 2014-04-08 18:58:08 <hearn> well this is a mac .app ...
2747 2014-04-08 18:58:14 <hearn> anyway it seems to be at least loading and running for me
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2749 2014-04-08 18:58:40 <Apocalyptic> seems like it contradicts "its unlikely to go leak your bitcoin private keys. Thats the good news."
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2752 2014-04-08 19:01:23 <gavinandresen> hearn: excellent, thanks for testing. I'm probably misremembering, we didn't change the app name probably because changing it would break the "is bitcoin already running" ⦠or maybe it was confusion about which app should handle bitcoin: links
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2757 2014-04-08 19:05:15 <hearn> gavinandresen: is there a way to make it process a bitcoin: URI?
2758 2014-04-08 19:05:43 <hearn> gavinandresen: it seems macos only understands one app being able to handle URIs at once ⦠not sure how to force chrome to tell Bitcoin Core/-Qt to handle this one. i tried drag/drop but no cigar
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2760 2014-04-08 19:06:17 <hearn> ah never mind
2761 2014-04-08 19:06:21 <hearn> thereâs a menu item, helpful
2762 2014-04-08 19:06:28 <hearn> well, payment requests still work too
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2765 2014-04-08 19:07:24 <gmaxwell> Apocalyptic: can you please clarify beyond "d34th claims"?
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2767 2014-04-08 19:07:50 <d34th> gmaxwell: a heartbeat is only 64KB of data right?
2768 2014-04-08 19:08:07 <gmaxwell> d34th: the maximum size, yes.
2769 2014-04-08 19:08:15 <d34th> well its possible to keep requesting more info during a active tls session
2770 2014-04-08 19:08:20 <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: the claim I saw was submitting multiple connection requests (especially simultaneously) could let you get lots of 64K chunks of memory.
2771 2014-04-08 19:08:26 <d34th> atleast according to what i've read
2772 2014-04-08 19:08:52 <gmaxwell> that is _not_ at all the same as reading all the memory.
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2776 2014-04-08 19:09:41 <d34th> you can keep requesting 64kb chunks of memory for every heartbeat
2777 2014-04-08 19:09:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen: wouldn't the codesign fail if bits had been flipped?
2778 2014-04-08 19:10:01 <gmaxwell> d34th: you get the same 64k chunk (e.g. if you call it sequentially)
2779 2014-04-08 19:10:05 <Apocalyptic> gmaxwell, I think he's assuming the 64kb chunk is random
2780 2014-04-08 19:10:21 <gavinandresen> michagogo|cloud: yes, download would succeed but then OSX or windows would complain when you tried to run. That's what I want people to test.
2781 2014-04-08 19:10:25 <gmaxwell> It's not, its the 64k chunk on the heap following the space allocated for the heartbeat.
2782 2014-04-08 19:10:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Well, the UAC dialog did list the FOundation
2783 2014-04-08 19:10:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Foundation*
2784 2014-04-08 19:10:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I'll install and check for a gitian match
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2787 2014-04-08 19:11:02 <d34th> its what i read on the heartbleed site
2788 2014-04-08 19:11:40 <gmaxwell> Which, in our release binaries appears to always have the prior rpc request and then zeros. (and yes I tried calling it concurrently). There might be a way to trigger it to get something else of course, but it doesn't appear like it.
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2790 2014-04-08 19:12:08 <Apocalyptic> gmaxwell, thanks for the clarification
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2793 2014-04-08 19:13:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen: I match the 3 bins with my gbuild
2794 2014-04-08 19:14:00 <gavinandresen> michagogo|cloud: great, thanks for checking
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2796 2014-04-08 19:14:35 <gmaxwell> (What I did is started up for heartbeat attack threads running in a loop, and then in a fifth, ran it again 1000 times and saved the output in a file. Every single one of them gave absolutely identical 'leaked' data, just the prior rpc)
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2798 2014-04-08 19:16:05 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hm, just thought of something
2799 2014-04-08 19:16:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Looks like https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.9.1/doc/build-unix.md is outdated
2800 2014-04-08 19:16:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Specifically, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.9.1/doc/build-unix.md#dependencies
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2802 2014-04-08 19:17:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|At least OpenSSL, Qt, and miniupnpc are outdated there
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2812 2014-04-08 19:26:50 <Emcy> so this 64kb of overflow memory that gets sent back
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2815 2014-04-08 19:27:23 <Emcy> its not a random 64kb, or a sequential 64k each time you attack, and you cant choose your own offset
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2817 2014-04-08 19:27:47 <Emcy> its the next 64k after the memory that should have been the limit right.
2818 2014-04-08 19:27:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen: So is the release just about ready?
2819 2014-04-08 19:28:11 <Emcy> and you best hope openssl didnt put anything important there which it often will?
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2821 2014-04-08 19:28:21 <midnightmagic> If you can control some program flow prior to the heartbeat attack you might get different heap contents.
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2823 2014-04-08 19:28:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|God dammit, I HATE thread necromancy
2824 2014-04-08 19:28:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152348.0;all
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2829 2014-04-08 19:34:02 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: I'd delete it, but I'm not a mod in that subforum.
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2831 2014-04-08 19:34:07 <gmaxwell> michagogo|cloud: report to mod it.
2832 2014-04-08 19:34:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The thread?
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2836 2014-04-08 19:34:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Or the post?
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2848 2014-04-08 19:45:10 <jmordica> How many quota pool urls are supported in 1 instance of bfgminer running?
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2856 2014-04-08 19:57:19 <warren> huh
2857 2014-04-08 19:57:21 <warren> 0.9.1 already
2858 2014-04-08 19:57:32 <warren> last night wumpus said there would be a rc cycle
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2860 2014-04-08 19:58:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|warren: I guess he thought that with a change that's nothing but one dep it didn't need it
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2862 2014-04-08 19:59:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Exactly 4 commits: a version number bump, 2 dep version bumps (he missed the Qt rebuild the first time) and static builds
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2866 2014-04-08 20:02:43 <warren> oh
2867 2014-04-08 20:02:52 <warren> so 0.9.1 has to be retaggeD?
2868 2014-04-08 20:05:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Huh?
2869 2014-04-08 20:05:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|No, I caught it before the tag
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2871 2014-04-08 20:06:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Right now, AFAIK, the release is ~ready to go
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2877 2014-04-08 20:09:38 <warren> wumpus sleeping?
2878 2014-04-08 20:10:26 <melvster> anyone know if there's an equivalent of sending tx via the web ( e.g. like http://www.blockchain.info/pushtx ) for the testnet?
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2881 2014-04-08 20:11:30 <gavinandresen> gmaxwell: proposed alert page for bitcoin.org, assuming we decide an alert is the right thing to do: https://gist.github.com/gavinandresen/10183248
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2883 2014-04-08 20:12:29 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wonders if gmaxwell also tested possible exposure with the PP thing, or only with RPCSSL
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2885 2014-04-08 20:13:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen: may be worth mentioning that if you built yourself or used the Ubuntu PPA or the Debian package (et cetera) you're safe as soon as you've upgraded your system OpenSSL
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2887 2014-04-08 20:14:44 <gavinandresen> michagogo|cloud: what percentage of users do you think that is? If less than 5%, then I don't think we should waste precious user attention span talking about it.
2888 2014-04-08 20:14:57 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|has no clue
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2890 2014-04-08 20:15:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Basically, the upgrade to 0.9.1 really only affects release binaries
2891 2014-04-08 20:15:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The question is what percentage of users use those
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2896 2014-04-08 20:20:16 <stqism> gavinandresen: Well, it was 100% at one point
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2898 2014-04-08 20:20:33 <Burrito> is v0.9.1 considered stable enough that bitcoin.org should be updated? the following page still says 0.9.0 is latest. https://bitcoin.org/en/download
2899 2014-04-08 20:21:02 <Burrito> but the release notes for 0.9.1 says that it's a security update and extremely important etc
2900 2014-04-08 20:21:26 <Burrito> I'm asking here because of confusion that happened on #bitcoin and also because bitcoin.org can be updated through git.
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2903 2014-04-08 20:21:39 <gavinandresen> Burrito: will be rolled out soon...
2904 2014-04-08 20:21:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Burrito: As far as I know, it's just about ready
2905 2014-04-08 20:21:44 <Burrito> okay
2906 2014-04-08 20:21:52 <Burrito> thanks
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2920 2014-04-08 20:32:58 <tjopper> gavinandresen bitcoin-0.9.1-win64-setup.exe is ok
2921 2014-04-08 20:33:15 <gavinandresen> tjopper: thanks
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2924 2014-04-08 20:35:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I really wish GH had an "update fork" button
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2928 2014-04-08 20:37:26 <coryfields> michagogo|cloud: they used to
2929 2014-04-08 20:37:35 <coryfields> they nuked it a few years back, no idea why
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2942 2014-04-08 20:45:55 <maaku> sipa: size is a VARINT though
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2947 2014-04-08 20:49:51 <roybadami> "If you are using bitcoind, have enabled the -rpcssl option, and allow RPC connections
2948 2014-04-08 20:49:54 <roybadami> from the Internet"
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2951 2014-04-08 20:50:35 <roybadami> Wording seems odd to me ince surely that is not specific to bitcoind - it just as truye running RPC with Bitcoin Core GUI?
2952 2014-04-08 20:50:48 <maaku> sipa: gah, nevermind, it's not
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2954 2014-04-08 20:51:36 <coryfields> maaku: heh, still gathering parameters?
2955 2014-04-08 20:51:50 <maaku> coryfields: ?
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2959 2014-04-08 20:52:22 <coryfields> maaku: was it not you who was trying to document the message formats?
2960 2014-04-08 20:52:34 <maaku> no, must have been someone else
2961 2014-04-08 20:52:42 <coryfields> oh ok, nm
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2963 2014-04-08 20:53:11 <maaku> i'm working on enabling simple hard-fork changes to transaction serialization format
2964 2014-04-08 20:53:21 <maaku> and ran across an
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2966 2014-04-08 20:53:29 <maaku> an odd constant
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2976 2014-04-08 20:59:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|gavinandresen: do you have download stats for the bins from bitcoin.org?
2977 2014-04-08 21:00:17 <gavinandresen> michagogo|cloud: no
2978 2014-04-08 21:00:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|hm, ppastats is saying it's getting 503 errors
2979 2014-04-08 21:01:05 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|That strikes me as a disadvantage for the move from sf :-/
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3007 2014-04-08 21:16:30 <warren> michagogo|cloud: if you have time, please test coryfields's new commits for symbol filtering
3008 2014-04-08 21:16:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hmm?
3009 2014-04-08 21:16:48 <warren> michagogo|cloud: it would enable a dynamic linked glibc gitian build, the first gitian build with ASLR
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3011 2014-04-08 21:17:02 <warren> the binary should work on Debian's glibc-2.11 and RHEL6's glibc-2.12
3012 2014-04-08 21:17:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Which commits are those?
3013 2014-04-08 21:17:33 <coryfields> er.. i pushed the change for stdc++ as well, but i didn't comment because i'm locked out of github's 2fa for the moment :\
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3015 2014-04-08 21:17:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And what kind of testing is involved?
3016 2014-04-08 21:17:53 <warren> coryfields: is there a PR for all this?
3017 2014-04-08 21:18:00 <warren> oh... only for comment at the moment
3018 2014-04-08 21:18:16 <warren> coryfields: you consider it clean yet it has "do not commit"?
3019 2014-04-08 21:18:38 <coryfields> warren: not yet, want some verification that it actually works before the debate on approach starts
3020 2014-04-08 21:18:49 <coryfields> warren: the fix is clean enough, the test is ugly
3021 2014-04-08 21:19:01 <warren> ahh
3022 2014-04-08 21:19:14 <warren> I like the test completeness
3023 2014-04-08 21:19:49 <coryfields> the problem is that to test it, you have to force a crash
3024 2014-04-08 21:20:02 <coryfields> if it crashes, it's working. if it doesn't, you've run into undefined territory
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3027 2014-04-08 21:20:30 <coryfields> boost's unit_tests don't seem to have a nice death test like google's
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3029 2014-04-08 21:20:53 <warren> mm
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3032 2014-04-08 21:21:24 <coryfields> but i'm quite ignorant of boost's tests, so i'm hoping someone will point out my stupid
3033 2014-04-08 21:22:39 <rdbell> In rpcclient.cppâs RPCConvertValues method, a lot of the RPC call parameters get converted to boost::int64_t. Those are signed integers right? Wouldnât it make more sense for them to be unsigned ints?
3034 2014-04-08 21:22:54 <warren> coryfields: dev list post is probably the best idea to bring attention to it
3035 2014-04-08 21:23:05 <warren> coryfields: the way you posted it will be easily missed because there's no PR
3036 2014-04-08 21:23:27 <coryfields> warren: again, want verification that it works before debating the merit
3037 2014-04-08 21:23:40 <warren> ok
3038 2014-04-08 21:23:44 <warren> michagogo|cloud: have time?
3039 2014-04-08 21:24:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Maybe not right now, it's 12:22 here
3040 2014-04-08 21:24:05 <coryfields> and i'm exploiting your ability to nag until you get a tester :)
3041 2014-04-08 21:24:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What exactly is involved?
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3043 2014-04-08 21:24:21 <warren> michagogo|cloud: build and see if it works on Debian glibc-2.11
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3045 2014-04-08 21:24:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Build what?
3046 2014-04-08 21:24:37 <warren> I'll try to get to this later today, working on something else now.
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3048 2014-04-08 21:25:10 <coryfields> michagogo|cloud: https://github.com/theuni/bitcoin/tree/libc-compat
3049 2014-04-08 21:25:36 <coryfields> michagogo|cloud: you have an older debian box?
3050 2014-04-08 21:25:40 <warren> hmm.... there's an unpatched "potential" buffer overflow in the miniupnpc in bitcoin 0.9.1
3051 2014-04-08 21:25:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I don't, no
3052 2014-04-08 21:25:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I could make a vm, though
3053 2014-04-08 21:26:27 <coryfields> oh
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3058 2014-04-08 21:27:24 <warren> it is very annoying that these upstreams release without GPG signatures
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3082 2014-04-08 21:45:43 <GAit> With BIP0032 gaps and interoperability seems like there's a risk of address reuse, and you can't control whether this happens before or after your public key is public
3083 2014-04-08 21:47:06 <sipa> hmm, once you've given out an address you shouldn't ever give it out again, imho
3084 2014-04-08 21:47:33 <sipa> if there are scalability concerns, you can "archive" old keys and stop watching for them
3085 2014-04-08 21:47:47 <sipa> especially with the payment protocol that sets time limits on their validity
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3088 2014-04-08 21:48:49 <sipa> oh, you mean when recovering? that's probably inevitable but should be an exceptional case anyway
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3093 2014-04-08 21:52:43 <sipa> coryfields, gavinandresen, wumpus, warren: do you guys know the state of which build environments still lack C++11 support (I guess we need gcc 4.7 or later)
3094 2014-04-08 21:53:09 <coryfields> sipa: heh, i've been very deep into c++11 lately
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3096 2014-04-08 21:53:23 <coryfields> realistic answer is: g++ 4.8, clang 3.4 for anything serious
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3098 2014-04-08 21:53:40 <gavinandresen> sipa: dunno, haven't looked. mingw is likely to be the problem.
3099 2014-04-08 21:54:06 <coryfields> sipa: ah, misread
3100 2014-04-08 21:54:20 <warren> sipa: coryfields' new approach for gitian static links libstdc++ and filter symbols for dynamic glibc, allowing ASLR to work
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3102 2014-04-08 21:55:45 <coryfields> sipa: i will say, regardless of platforms, that g++ 4.7 hits ICE constantly with c++11
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3104 2014-04-08 21:56:08 <GAit> sipa: we currently don't use gaps and never reuse addresses but we would like to support bip0032 wallets, especially hardware ones so in terms of standardizing branching it would be interesting to manage the fact that multiple parties can potentially create the P2SH in multisig
3105 2014-04-08 21:56:09 <coryfields> enough to call it worthless, imo
3106 2014-04-08 21:56:29 <sipa> coryfields: that's good to know
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3108 2014-04-08 21:56:38 <sipa> coryfields: do you know offhand which gcc is in precise?
3109 2014-04-08 21:57:08 <coryfields> sipa: unsure. I'm on raring atm, and it was a breeze to just add the PPA and go
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3111 2014-04-08 21:57:34 <coryfields> so i'm using 4.8 atm, no hiccups.
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3113 2014-04-08 21:57:59 <sipa> precise only has 4.4 - 4.6
3114 2014-04-08 21:58:08 <coryfields> sipa: also worth noting that i dev exclusively in clang for c++11. it's easier to work with in virtually every way
3115 2014-04-08 21:58:23 <coryfields> for that, i just grabbed the binaries from their download page and stuck em in /opt. worked like a champ.
3116 2014-04-08 21:58:44 <sipa> well, precise only has clang 3.0 :)
3117 2014-04-08 21:59:37 <coryfields> sipa: http://llvm.org/releases/download.html :)
3118 2014-04-08 21:59:58 <coryfields> it really is as simple as unpacking and adding em to your path
3119 2014-04-08 22:00:11 <sipa> coryfields: i don't care about installing it
3120 2014-04-08 22:00:15 <sipa> i mean in gitian :)
3121 2014-04-08 22:00:23 <coryfields> oh, heh
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3123 2014-04-08 22:00:28 <coryfields> sipa: same thing, then
3124 2014-04-08 22:00:39 <coryfields> i used clang for the osx gitian build
3125 2014-04-08 22:00:43 <coryfields> binary download
3126 2014-04-08 22:00:56 <sipa> hmmz
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3129 2014-04-08 22:02:14 <warren> does clang provide an alternative to libstdc++?
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3135 2014-04-08 22:04:15 <coryfields> libc++, but it's not easily usable outside of osx. it uses libstdc++ on linux unless you get your hands dirty
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3143 2014-04-08 22:07:11 <coryfields> sipa: i'll respond when i can get to my phone for github 2fa
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3147 2014-04-08 22:07:44 <sipa> coryfields: no need to hurry
3148 2014-04-08 22:08:21 <coryfields> btw, if we move to c++11, i'm going after boost with a blowtorch :)
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3150 2014-04-08 22:08:59 <sipa> coryfields: if there are equivalent features that are more standard, sure
3151 2014-04-08 22:09:10 <sipa> coryfields: but i really doubt we can ditch boost
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3155 2014-04-08 22:10:43 <coryfields> sipa: nah, some things are just too handy. io_service and friends. but std::function, thread, exact types, smart pointers, etc
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3164 2014-04-08 22:15:50 <Luke-Jr> curious.. deps-linux has the problem aschildbach_ reported
3165 2014-04-08 22:16:00 <Luke-Jr> sortof
3166 2014-04-08 22:16:34 <warren> what problem?
3167 2014-04-08 22:17:01 <aschildbach_> Luke-Jr: Hu?
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3171 2014-04-08 22:17:29 <aschildbach_> heard my name
3172 2014-04-08 22:17:29 <Luke-Jr> http://0bin.net/paste/hSaSdMjToBUxu-C3#uIsuMZFUbD2eMibE04CAPgY2dC/wNjRWQFS2wMCtmSc=
3173 2014-04-08 22:18:35 <aschildbach_> full context please
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3177 2014-04-08 22:20:38 <warren> Luke-Jr: bad mirrors?
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3179 2014-04-08 22:21:34 <Luke-Jr> aschildbach_: this morning, I believe you suggested you had the same (or a similar) issue
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3182 2014-04-08 22:21:48 <Luke-Jr> warren: dunno
3183 2014-04-08 22:22:15 <aschildbach_> My issue (with gitian) was I hadn't apt-cacher-ng installed.
3184 2014-04-08 22:22:30 <aschildbach_> After I installed it, everything worked ok.
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3186 2014-04-08 22:22:51 <aschildbach_> The other problem this morning was that it was freaking hard to get up. (-:
3187 2014-04-08 22:23:07 <Luke-Jr> hm
3188 2014-04-08 22:23:29 <warren> Luke-Jr: I ported apt-cacher-ng to Fedra
3189 2014-04-08 22:23:31 <sipa> aschildbach_: "hard to get up" -> gitian was being a bitch, or you were having trouble waking up yourself?
3190 2014-04-08 22:23:33 <Luke-Jr> oh well, looks like enough others signed that I don't need to figure this out now XD
3191 2014-04-08 22:23:51 <Luke-Jr> warren: I've had it on Gentoo for a while.. though they removed it recently (but it's still installed)
3192 2014-04-08 22:24:35 <Luke-Jr> or maybe they didn't.. wonder why I thoguht that
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3195 2014-04-08 22:27:51 <aschildbach_> waking up (-:
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3198 2014-04-08 22:28:32 <aschildbach_> sipa: speaking of gitian, I need to look into your script
3199 2014-04-08 22:28:42 <ahmed_> hi all
3200 2014-04-08 22:28:51 <ahmed_> does bitcoin v8.* have the openssl bug?
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3203 2014-04-08 22:29:11 <ahmed_> id like to avoid using v9 as ive heard about a lot of issues about it
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3205 2014-04-08 22:29:19 <aschildbach_> sipa: Has it got some kind of license?
3206 2014-04-08 22:29:33 <sipa> aschildbach_: public domain, as far as i'm concerned
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3214 2014-04-08 22:31:36 <ahmed_> anyone?
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3218 2014-04-08 22:33:37 <GAit> ahmed_: imho you are more likely to have issues with earlier versions of bitcoin than with the latest published binary, especially if you don't use rpc (which should be disabled by default)
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3221 2014-04-08 22:34:19 <ahmed_> GAit: we use RPC (its for scifi-ex altcoin exchange)
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3224 2014-04-08 22:34:38 <sipa> ahmed_: what issues have you heard about 0.9?
3225 2014-04-08 22:34:51 <ahmed_> sipa: transactions not being sent properly
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3227 2014-04-08 22:35:03 <ahmed_> all being stuck with 0 confirmations
3228 2014-04-08 22:35:07 <ahmed_> (or -1 when restarted)
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3231 2014-04-08 22:35:39 <sipa> ahmed_: ... that was an attack against the network, not a problem with the new version (0.9.0 was just as vulnerable as 0.8.x)
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3234 2014-04-08 22:36:00 <ahmed_> sipa: ahh i wasnt aware of that.
3235 2014-04-08 22:36:15 <sipa> 0.9.1 fixed some issues regarding double-spending and malleability
3236 2014-04-08 22:36:30 <ahmed_> sipa: i shall upgrade to 0.9.1 then hopefully things work smoothly
3237 2014-04-08 22:36:34 <sipa> eh
3238 2014-04-08 22:36:39 <sipa> i'm confusing versions!
3239 2014-04-08 22:36:53 <ahmed_> sipa: u mean 0.9 fixed all that
3240 2014-04-08 22:36:54 <sipa> 0.9.0rc2 fixed some problems with malleability & double spending
3241 2014-04-08 22:36:59 <sipa> so 0.9.0, indeed
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3243 2014-04-08 22:37:07 <ahmed_> and 0.9.1 is the ssl fix :)
3244 2014-04-08 22:37:09 <sipa> 0.9.1 is just the ssl proble
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3251 2014-04-08 22:37:59 <sipa> ahmed_: bitcoin is affected by the ssl bug if 1) it's statically compiled against a wrong version 2) you're using a dynamically-linked version and your system library is vulnerable
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3253 2014-04-08 22:38:15 <sipa> and only when you either use the GUI to do payment request payments, or use rpcssl
3254 2014-04-08 22:38:26 <ahmed_> ahh we dont use either
3255 2014-04-08 22:38:32 <ahmed_> we use the plain rpc interface
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3260 2014-04-08 22:41:00 <ahmed_> thanks sipa
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3280 2014-04-08 23:01:54 <elichai2> it is possible to dowload the blk*.dat files and the index folder?
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3282 2014-04-08 23:03:23 <sipa> you can download the contents of the blk*.dat files as a torrent; search for bootstrap.dat
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3284 2014-04-08 23:04:33 <sipa> you should not download the databases from anywhere - they could be modified in a way that makes you believe someone has more money than they do, or cause forks
3285 2014-04-08 23:04:51 <elichai2> sipa: yeah that's my problem
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3287 2014-04-08 23:05:01 <elichai2> i don't want to use bootstrap,dat
3288 2014-04-08 23:05:06 <sipa> why not?
3289 2014-04-08 23:05:29 <elichai2> my client get stuck in the middle of "importing blocks from disk"
3290 2014-04-08 23:05:39 <elichai2> tried multiple times :(
3291 2014-04-08 23:05:46 <sipa> always in the same place?
3292 2014-04-08 23:05:50 <elichai2> nope
3293 2014-04-08 23:06:01 <elichai2> this time in block 200613
3294 2014-04-08 23:06:02 <sipa> that sounds like a hardware problem
3295 2014-04-08 23:06:15 <sipa> overheating, memory bug, ...
3296 2014-04-08 23:06:16 <elichai2> and last time in block 18....
3297 2014-04-08 23:06:28 <elichai2> ammm... maybe it's because my HD is encrypted?
3298 2014-04-08 23:06:39 <sipa> yes, that is known to cause problems too
3299 2014-04-08 23:06:55 <sipa> especially truecrypt
3300 2014-04-08 23:06:59 <elichai2> nope :)
3301 2014-04-08 23:07:05 <elichai2> it's ot truecrypt
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3303 2014-04-08 23:07:21 <elichai2> it's debian built in encryption(i don't remember how it's called)
3304 2014-04-08 23:07:27 <sipa> well, can you put your debug.log somewhere?
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3307 2014-04-08 23:08:09 <elichai2> ok, but after it got stuck i deleted the log shutdown bitcoin-qt and than restarted it
3308 2014-04-08 23:08:15 <elichai2> so it's only the new one
3309 2014-04-08 23:09:05 <sipa> that won't be interesting
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3311 2014-04-08 23:09:36 <elichai2> what do you mean?
3312 2014-04-08 23:09:46 <elichai2> you want the one that shows the stuck?
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3314 2014-04-08 23:10:02 <sipa> i want to see a debug.log that includes the part where is misses a block
3315 2014-04-08 23:10:02 <elichai2> btw, for some reason debug.log dosen't write the right time :\
3316 2014-04-08 23:10:09 <sipa> it writes utc
3317 2014-04-08 23:10:15 <elichai2> ok.... i'll delete .bitcoin
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3319 2014-04-08 23:10:24 <elichai2> and restart bitcoin-qt with bootstrap.dat
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3321 2014-04-08 23:10:50 <elichai2> and i'll let it run alone through the night and i'll return tomorrow
3322 2014-04-08 23:10:54 <sipa> run with increased dbcache if you want bootstrap processimg to be faster
3323 2014-04-08 23:11:06 <elichai2> sipa: how?
3324 2014-04-08 23:11:07 <sipa> -dbcache=2000 if you can spare 2gb
3325 2014-04-08 23:11:16 <elichai2> i have only 2GB ram
3326 2014-04-08 23:11:27 <elichai2> or it's on HD?
3327 2014-04-08 23:11:28 <sipa> ok, then choose whatever is tolerable :)
3328 2014-04-08 23:11:33 <sipa> no, it's ram usage
3329 2014-04-08 23:11:50 <sipa> in megabytes
3330 2014-04-08 23:12:01 <elichai2> ammm.... i'll run it with 1256 i don't want it to get stuck because of no ram...
3331 2014-04-08 23:12:20 <elichai2> so run "bitcoin-qt -dbcache=1256"?
3332 2014-04-08 23:12:24 <sipa> yup
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3337 2014-04-08 23:12:53 <sipa> also, don't start after it got stuck
3338 2014-04-08 23:13:06 <sipa> *restart
3339 2014-04-08 23:13:09 <elichai2> kk
3340 2014-04-08 23:13:19 <sipa> as that may flush the old part og debug.log
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3343 2014-04-08 23:14:25 <elichai2> maybe it's a GUI problem?
3344 2014-04-08 23:14:32 <elichai2> can i run it with bitcoind?
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3348 2014-04-08 23:16:36 <elichai2> ok i'll return tomorrow bye
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3374 2014-04-08 23:32:36 <Emcy> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/22ghj1/the_heartbleed_bug/cgn056z
3375 2014-04-08 23:32:48 <Emcy> "Holy shit. Using that code, I was able to get plaintext usernames and passwords from people logging into Yahoo Mail."
3376 2014-04-08 23:32:55 <Emcy> not sure its a good idea to announce that on reddit?
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3380 2014-04-08 23:34:44 <roy7> Is there any important reason to build bitcoind myself, or should I just run bin/64/bitcoind from the linux .tar.gz?
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3385 2014-04-08 23:37:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|roy7: you can just use bin/64/bitcoind
3386 2014-04-08 23:38:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(If you do that, though, make sure to use 0.9.1)
3387 2014-04-08 23:38:14 <roy7> Yeah that's why I'm asking, just snagged 0.9.1
3388 2014-04-08 23:38:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Reasons to build yourself are the usual
3389 2014-04-08 23:39:08 <gmaxwell> gavinandresen: IIRC the ECDSA fix in openssl is not actually applicable to us. (they only changed their characteristic 2 field implementation) unless there was another patch there I was missing.
3390 2014-04-08 23:39:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If you don't trust the bin, if you want a dynamic executable, if you want to customize it somehow, either a code change or just a configure/build flag, etc
3391 2014-04-08 23:39:48 <gmaxwell> (basically their characteristic 2 implementation leaked so much that a _single_ multiply was enough to leak the secret; quite a bit worse than was the case for secp256k1)
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