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  15 2014-04-14 00:28:00 <warren> kristov: you wont see it
  16 2014-04-14 00:28:09 <warren> with ldd
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  20 2014-04-14 00:32:13 <kristov> warren: gotcha. how can I confirm the version of openssl statically linked in bitcoin-qt 0.8.6?
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  23 2014-04-14 00:33:40 <warren> kristov: Help -> Debug
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  25 2014-04-14 00:35:56 <kristov> warren: ahh, good call
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  32 2014-04-14 00:50:30 <kristov> warren: you've been super helpful, thanks
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  38 2014-04-14 00:51:13 <LoRez> kristov: what version is it, ftr?
  39 2014-04-14 00:51:26 <kristov> OpenSSL v0.9.8k
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  41 2014-04-14 00:51:40 <kristov> dated 25 march 2009
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  43 2014-04-14 00:51:51 <LoRez> so, relatively safe.
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  45 2014-04-14 00:52:04 <kristov> LoRez: Relatively.
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 162 2014-04-14 03:19:31 <jgarzik> Calling all early seeders, for soon-to-be-announced bootstrap.dat updated torrent @ block 295000: http://gtf.org/garzik/bitcoin/bootstrap.dat.torrent   If you have an old bootstrap.dat, bittorrent will automatically extend it when you switch to the new torrent.  You effectively already have 81% of the new bootstrap.dat.
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 164 2014-04-14 03:21:43 <jgarzik> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:cb7caf0b4c0ee266cce5fbd8f8ba3903f5efa82e&dn=bootstrap.dat&tr=udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80&tr=udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80&tr=udp://tracker.ccc.de:80&tr=udp://tracker.istole.it:80
 165 2014-04-14 03:21:47 <warren> jgarzik: have you asked if the linux mirrors would carry bootstrap.dat ?
 166 2014-04-14 03:22:24 <jgarzik> warren, heh, thought never crossed my mind.  torrent seemed so much more automatic and efficient.
 167 2014-04-14 03:22:45 * gmaxwell thinks that bootstrap dat has distracted people from hacking on headers first, and we probably shouldn't put more effort into build more infrastructure for it. :)
 168 2014-04-14 03:22:52 <jgarzik> warren, having an http download would be quite nice, but would need to qualify mirrors and guarantee that they supported http resume
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 189 2014-04-14 03:28:23 <jgarzik> Though I'm tempted to define a canonical blk0000$n.dat rather than continuing to grow that one file
 190 2014-04-14 03:28:35 <warren> +1
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 195 2014-04-14 03:29:48 <jgarzik> headers-first is certainly important as well.  We essentially have several thousand nodes in our "swarm", so the replication factor is quite high presuming a fast download
 196 2014-04-14 03:30:01 <warren> jgarzik: I think mirrors would do it if they aren't the only one
 197 2014-04-14 03:30:06 <Joric> just imagine, fullnode flash clients, js clients!
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 199 2014-04-14 03:30:45 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: not just that, HF download is inherently faster because it can verify while downloading vs downloading first and then verifying as happens with the torrent. With sipa's patches last year it completed chain sync for me faster than the torrent took to download.
 200 2014-04-14 03:31:21 <gmaxwell> and sure, extra mechenisms are fine, but right now bootstrap is papering over sync problems where the reference software is dangrously flawed.
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 204 2014-04-14 03:37:25 <jgarzik> gmaxwell, sure, though I don't buy the argument all the way to "distraction"  Absence of bootstrap.dat would not likely cause the appearance of new sipas with additional coding motivation and bandwidth
 205 2014-04-14 03:38:22 <PRab> If there is something easy I can to to integrate it with Tahoe-LAFS I would be willing to.
 206 2014-04-14 03:38:58 <PRab> I don't think there would be too much benefit because Tahoe-LAFS has significantly lower adoption than either bitcoin or bittorrent.
 207 2014-04-14 03:40:59 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: My thinking there was mostly that sipa's code was working and usable, and hasn't made it in yet because it was a big scarry change that needed a lot of testing. You're probably right in any case.
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 244 2014-04-14 04:41:59 <warren> jgarzik: btw, pre-indexed insight database would be helpful too
 245 2014-04-14 04:42:09 <warren> perhaps even more useful
 246 2014-04-14 04:42:11 <warren> given how long it takes
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 250 2014-04-14 04:47:16 <jgarzik> warren, if address versions do not differ, bitcore must pass in a differentiator at object init time
 251 2014-04-14 04:47:29 <jgarzik> warren, all objects follow a standard form, so it's just one more input
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 259 2014-04-14 04:58:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(I'll probably just use the python script to bring mine up to date)
 260 2014-04-14 04:58:24 <jgarzik> michagogo|cloud, 14G -> 17G
 261 2014-04-14 04:59:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|...yeah, gonna do that then
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 283 2014-04-14 05:35:57 <super3> playing around in /contrib
 284 2014-04-14 05:36:35 <super3> trying to tidy up, you wrote all of pyminer.py right?
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 302 2014-04-14 05:51:01 <super3> jgarzik: jgarzik, i wanted to drop it from /contrib its a great refrence, but i don't see a use in the active codebase. i had two ideas
 303 2014-04-14 05:51:08 <super3> a) just remove it
 304 2014-04-14 05:51:23 <super3> b) remove the code, but just keep a link in the index to your repo with the same code
 305 2014-04-14 05:53:13 <gmaxwell> Why? has it stopped working?
 306 2014-04-14 05:53:44 <wumpus> it's not meant to be used in the current code base
 307 2014-04-14 05:53:51 <wumpus> it's an example, a reference
 308 2014-04-14 05:53:55 <jgarzik> should still work on testnet as long as getwork exists
 309 2014-04-14 05:54:57 <super3> ok that is a valid point
 310 2014-04-14 05:54:58 <wumpus> super3: feel free to update it to use getblocktemplate, of course
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 321 2014-04-14 06:05:07 <super3> michagogo|cloud: yes...
 322 2014-04-14 06:05:28 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|doesn't understand why that is
 323 2014-04-14 06:05:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Especially because only a subset of rpc is in there
 324 2014-04-14 06:06:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(Or was when I saw it)
 325 2014-04-14 06:07:00 <super3> thats correct
 326 2014-04-14 06:07:10 <super3> but there is a bunch of redundant code in there
 327 2014-04-14 06:07:22 <wumpus> the purpose of that script is to be able to do some RPC calls manually more easily/secure, for example by asking the parameters separately, or using getpass() to securely ask for the passphrase
 328 2014-04-14 06:08:03 <wumpus> if you want to improve it, be my guest, but asking 'why is it like this and this' has the usual answer: no one bothered to do it yet
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 340 2014-04-14 06:17:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Is it possible in python to do what the ruby rpc code on the wiki does?
 341 2014-04-14 06:18:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(It redefines the method_missing function on the BitcoinRPC class to turn any call into an rpc)
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 344 2014-04-14 06:19:34 <wumpus> how is that different from what the RPC proxy does?
 345 2014-04-14 06:20:14 <wumpus> I suggest looking at the python stuff in qa/rpc-tests
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 347 2014-04-14 06:22:04 <warren> wumpus: in genbuild.sh any suggestions for commands to use to parse the numbers from src/clientversion.h ?
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 349 2014-04-14 06:22:22 <warren> I would normally use grep and awk, but not sure if that's portable.
 350 2014-04-14 06:23:02 <wumpus> it's a shell script, so using grep, sed and awk is the way things are done
 351 2014-04-14 06:23:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: as I mentioned before, I don't really remember the details of that -- I just saw it once, and didn't really go through the whole thing, so it's possible I'm not remembering everything
 352 2014-04-14 06:23:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(And I also don't know python)
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 356 2014-04-14 06:24:49 <wumpus> warren: I'd suggest using the version info from configure.ac, the duplicate info in clientversion.h is supposed to go away when that's possible
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 358 2014-04-14 06:25:09 <warren> ok
 359 2014-04-14 06:25:46 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: that boost autoconf stuff really needs to be probably entirely rewritten to make it work *correctly*. :/
 360 2014-04-14 06:26:07 <wumpus> warren: probably we don't need a genbuild.sh at all anymore; the autotools can do any generation we need
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 362 2014-04-14 06:26:40 <wumpus> oh wait.. no, I'm wrong, it's stil usefor for the git id
 363 2014-04-14 06:26:58 <wumpus> but not for the version, configure has all the version information that anyone needs
 364 2014-04-14 06:27:04 <warren> git diff-index --quiet HEAD --
 365 2014-04-14 06:27:15 <warren> This is used internally by git describe to detect if something is dirty or not.
 366 2014-04-14 06:27:21 <warren> git rev-parse --short HEAD
 367 2014-04-14 06:27:25 <warren> This is how to get the short hash.
 368 2014-04-14 06:27:51 <wumpus> my suggestion would be to remove anything that has to do with version from genbuild.sh
 369 2014-04-14 06:27:53 <warren> I'm just replacing git describe for now.
 370 2014-04-14 06:27:59 <warren> uh
 371 2014-04-14 06:28:15 <warren> it currently gets the displayed version from there
 372 2014-04-14 06:28:16 <wumpus> if you want to change the version you change configure.ac, so you re-run the configure hocus pocus anyway
 373 2014-04-14 06:28:26 <wumpus> ... that's crazy
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 375 2014-04-14 06:28:43 <warren> yes it is
 376 2014-04-14 06:29:27 <warren>     NEWINFO="#define BUILD_DESC \"$DESC\""
 377 2014-04-14 06:29:46 <wumpus> so the version information to be displayed should use the normal FormatVersion() from util.h
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 379 2014-04-14 06:30:27 <warren> util.cpp
 380 2014-04-14 06:30:27 <wumpus> and tack on the git id and dirty/nondirty if appropriate
 381 2014-04-14 06:30:54 <wumpus> the way we're doing it now is backwards
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 383 2014-04-14 06:31:19 <warren> I'll change it to write only the suffix
 384 2014-04-14 06:31:23 <warren> from git
 385 2014-04-14 06:31:27 <wumpus> great
 386 2014-04-14 06:32:03 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: yes, that m4 stuff for boost is thoroughly confused
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 388 2014-04-14 06:32:53 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: usually the build system doesn't even have to care where libraries are, it just checks if it can link against them, .. but boost has all these crazy name variations that naive probing would take all day
 389 2014-04-14 06:32:54 <warren> I'm not sure FormatVersion() is the best way to do it
 390 2014-04-14 06:33:10 <warren> you already have preprocessor defines
 391 2014-04-14 06:33:46 <wumpus> warren: I don't mind how it's exactly done; but parsing the configure scripts/source code in genbuild.h just to reinsert it in a generated header doesn't make sense
 392 2014-04-14 06:34:01 <warren> i agree
 393 2014-04-14 06:34:03 <wumpus> warren: if you don't want to use that specific function for some reason it's ok with me
 394 2014-04-14 06:34:13 <wumpus> or maybe change the function to be more useful
 395 2014-04-14 06:35:06 <wumpus> hmm though it is likely used by the P2P code to send a version identifier, so there is not much wiggle room in changing the formatting
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 397 2014-04-14 06:35:42 <warren> it writes only the number portion after the :
 398 2014-04-14 06:37:30 <warren> found a clean way
 399 2014-04-14 06:37:39 <wumpus> good
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 401 2014-04-14 06:39:58 <splitting> whats the best way to start and stop bitcoind from a python script?
 402 2014-04-14 06:40:46 <wumpus> probably subprocess combined with a RPC proxy, see the scripts in qa/rpc-tests
 403 2014-04-14 06:41:59 <splitting> thanks :) and another question
 404 2014-04-14 06:42:07 <splitting> whats the difference between the -server and -daemon flag?
 405 2014-04-14 06:42:38 <wumpus> server enables the RPC server, daemon sends the process to the background
 406 2014-04-14 06:43:10 <wumpus> (there is nothing between them in common, so talking about differences doesn't make sense)
 407 2014-04-14 06:43:20 <splitting> ah alright, so if I wanted to make rpc api calls to the server I should be launching it with -server instead of -daemon?
 408 2014-04-14 06:43:33 <wumpus> or both
 409 2014-04-14 06:43:37 <splitting> ah alright, i was just confused, i guess i thought they were the same
 410 2014-04-14 06:44:30 <splitting> hmm ok, i was having an issue where when I started up bitcoind and then tried getbalance() it would fail, but if I added a sleep timer to it, it would work, but not reliably
 411 2014-04-14 06:44:51 <splitting> is there some kind of process that starts up before the rpc server does?
 412 2014-04-14 06:45:16 <wumpus> in the command line bitcoin-cli there is a  -wait option that waits for the server to be reachable
 413 2014-04-14 06:45:24 <wumpus> you can implement the same in python of course
 414 2014-04-14 06:46:05 <splitting> sounds good. what rpc library should I be using ? the one in this qa/rpc-tests directory?
 415 2014-04-14 06:46:21 <splitting> i read on the wiki that there are some others out there
 416 2014-04-14 06:47:20 <wumpus> i'd recommend petertodd's python-bitcoinlib fork for any of your python bitcoin needs
 417 2014-04-14 06:47:32 <wumpus> https://github.com/petertodd/python-bitcoinlib
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 420 2014-04-14 06:48:56 <splitting> alright, another question, is this library compatible with any other coin that uses the same bitcoin rpc commands?
 421 2014-04-14 06:48:57 <splitting> i'd imagine right
 422 2014-04-14 06:49:27 <wumpus> no clue
 423 2014-04-14 06:49:39 <splitting> seems like it does in the code
 424 2014-04-14 06:49:57 <splitting> if you dont define a port/username/address/etc
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 434 2014-04-14 07:01:21 <wumpus> any native English speaker with thoughts on this? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4015
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 436 2014-04-14 07:02:13 <warren> wumpus: which English?  http://lolsnaps.com/news/77368/0/
 437 2014-04-14 07:02:14 <warren> =)
 438 2014-04-14 07:03:03 <warren> wumpus: IMHO, both : and ; are awkward in that context
 439 2014-04-14 07:03:10 <wumpus> ... lol :) no, doesn't matter which one... just someone that understands punctuation
 440 2014-04-14 07:03:27 <wumpus> that was not the kind of answer i was hoping to hear, I'm looking to either close or merge the pull
 441 2014-04-14 07:03:36 <warren> they're both bad
 442 2014-04-14 07:03:53 <wumpus> sigh: so it isn't an improvement?
 443 2014-04-14 07:04:05 <warren> definitely not an improvement
 444 2014-04-14 07:04:18 <warren> but the original is bad
 445 2014-04-14 07:04:35 <wumpus> submit a new pull then
 446 2014-04-14 07:04:52 <warren> I'm tried to test my newly fixed suffix generator
 447 2014-04-14 07:05:04 <warren> but I have to rebase openssl to make it run at all
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 472 2014-04-14 07:34:19 <wumpus> anyone with Windows and IPv6 that would like to help testing -rpcbind https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3695 ?
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 495 2014-04-14 08:00:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|wumpus: I wish :-/
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 501 2014-04-14 08:04:44 <wumpus> I'm really struggling to get that patch tested, I already asked on the development list once, no response at all
 502 2014-04-14 08:04:55 <wumpus> maybe it's only me caring about it and I should close it
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 504 2014-04-14 08:07:24 <kdomanski> at the time the team is struggling to find a single person running Windows
 505 2014-04-14 08:07:46 <buZz> i can run ipv6 windows test tomorrow or maybe day after
 506 2014-04-14 08:07:49 <wumpus> btw it's also fine if you want to test it on linux or macosx, but windows is generally the most difficult to find testers for
 507 2014-04-14 08:08:07 <buZz> i have ipv6 on linux working ..
 508 2014-04-14 08:08:16 <buZz> and could test stuff for you today
 509 2014-04-14 08:08:29 <wumpus> I usually do windows testing in wine, but I have no real (non-localhost) IPv6 network
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 511 2014-04-14 08:08:32 <wumpus> that'd be great!
 512 2014-04-14 08:08:56 <wumpus> (and I have a VM with windows xp, also no help with ipv6)
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 514 2014-04-14 08:09:32 <buZz> the sixxs tunnel stuff works on xp afaik
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 516 2014-04-14 08:09:57 <buZz> they're just bitches when it comes to following rules
 517 2014-04-14 08:10:01 <wumpus> does it? last time I tried, even the ipv6 tests failed on xp, but maybe soe extra software is needed
 518 2014-04-14 08:10:36 <buZz> well you might need to install the protocol ;)
 519 2014-04-14 08:10:50 <wumpus> heh
 520 2014-04-14 08:11:09 <buZz> anyway, just highlight me when you need something tested on a ipv6 enabled machine
 521 2014-04-14 08:11:18 <buZz> debian squeeze btw
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 523 2014-04-14 08:11:50 <wumpus> installing a protocol, how quant, makes me think of the 90's, installing the IPX protocol to be able to network in the house :-)
 524 2014-04-14 08:11:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I wish IPv6 was a thing for Israeli residential connections
 525 2014-04-14 08:12:09 <warren> given that Windows XP has no updates from Microsoft anymore
 526 2014-04-14 08:12:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(It's not yet afaik)
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 528 2014-04-14 08:12:23 <buZz> XP had ipv6 on the original disk ..
 529 2014-04-14 08:12:24 <wumpus> buZz: ok, I can make a static linux build as well if you'd like to test it on linux
 530 2014-04-14 08:12:35 <warren> perhaps we should drop support entirely so as not to encourage use on an insecure platform
 531 2014-04-14 08:12:37 <buZz> wumpus: yes, willing and able
 532 2014-04-14 08:13:41 <wumpus> warren: it makes some sense, but it's not convincing enough in itself, if you find any other good reason for dropping XP support let's make a list
 533 2014-04-14 08:14:33 <wumpus> do you know of any other software that dropped XP support for this reason?
 534 2014-04-14 08:14:36 <buZz> i remember, back when i had 100mbit fdx edu link at home, installing XP (SP0) on a system hooked up to external internet
 535 2014-04-14 08:14:47 <buZz> you would have a virus before finishing the install ;)
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 537 2014-04-14 08:15:21 <wumpus> yup :)
 538 2014-04-14 08:16:19 <warren> wumpus: when security updates are published for Windows 7, people will dissect them and see if the equivalent is vulnerable on XP... and many are
 539 2014-04-14 08:17:56 <wumpus> warren: I know that; but there will be backlash. I'm pretty sure that in practice a sizable % of users (especially outside of the west) will still be on xp....
 540 2014-04-14 08:18:18 <wumpus> so then the choice would be to deny them bitcoin completely because it's more secure?
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 542 2014-04-14 08:18:43 <warren> Multibit?  Electrum?
 543 2014-04-14 08:18:59 <wumpus> shouldn't they make the same decision?
 544 2014-04-14 08:19:30 <wumpus> if it's too insecure to run bitcoin, it's too insecure to run *any* wallet, including online or SPV ones
 545 2014-04-14 08:20:07 <warren> hmm
 546 2014-04-14 08:20:12 <warren> perhaps we should add a OS warning
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 548 2014-04-14 08:20:18 <wumpus> I don't want to make that decision for people
 549 2014-04-14 08:20:23 <wumpus> yes, a warning would be good
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 552 2014-04-14 08:24:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The warning should have a text box that requires you to type either "I understand that I may lose my bitcoins at any time because I'm running an insecure operating system" or "I work for the UK government and have paid Microsoft millions of pounds to keep updating Windows XP"
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 557 2014-04-14 08:30:57 <edcba> uk gov or IRS
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 566 2014-04-14 08:40:51 <warren> wumpus: uh... "If you change this to be version 0.9.99 I'll merge it."
 567 2014-04-14 08:41:05 <warren> wumpus: why change it to that when you said the next release from this branch will be 0.9.2?
 568 2014-04-14 08:41:20 <warren> wumpus: you're the one who corrected me when I thought the next release would be 0.10
 569 2014-04-14 08:42:30 <warren> see my next push
 570 2014-04-14 08:42:34 <epscy> michagogo|cloud: yeah sadly the UK gov aren't the only ones who are paying for support for a 10 year old OS
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 588 2014-04-14 09:11:57 <yuhMappangpang> waz dit voor illegale chat
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 590 2014-04-14 09:14:07 <kdomanski> wat
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 593 2014-04-14 09:17:56 <hno> strange. everytime I am to test pool changes on testnet someone else starts to mine like crazy.
 594 2014-04-14 09:19:08 <Apocalyptic> they must be watching you
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 598 2014-04-14 09:21:20 <Luke-Jr> lol
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 600 2014-04-14 09:21:44 <warren> https://github.com/nightlybitcoin/bitcoin/commits/0.9.1.99-20140414-g76db4e2
 601 2014-04-14 09:22:12 <warren> automatically merges whatever PR's I want people to test, builds, signs and pushes
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 603 2014-04-14 09:23:41 <iajdiojdoaehfef> hello
 604 2014-04-14 09:23:51 <iajdiojdoaehfef> how to mining bitcoins using linux mint 16 petra
 605 2014-04-14 09:23:59 <iajdiojdoaehfef> how to mine*
 606 2014-04-14 09:24:03 <buZz> iajdiojdoaehfef: ask in #bitcoin, not here
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 608 2014-04-14 09:24:25 <iajdiojdoaehfef> and have anybody any dev tools for bitcoin using the terminal
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 610 2014-04-14 09:24:35 <buZz> vim, emacs, nano
 611 2014-04-14 09:24:37 <iajdiojdoaehfef> which package
 612 2014-04-14 09:25:01 <warren> iajdiojdoaehfef: your questions are not suitable for this channel
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 614 2014-04-14 09:31:30 <nederhoed> Good day, I've ran into a failed build on Launchpad Ubuntu Saucy bitcoin PPA for i386
 615 2014-04-14 09:31:32 <nederhoed> http://link.marktplaats.nl/m799401169
 616 2014-04-14 09:31:35 <nederhoed> oops
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 618 2014-04-14 09:32:54 <nederhoed> https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin/+build/5841913
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 621 2014-04-14 09:34:39 <nederhoed> I've emailed channel owner Matt last week, but have not yet received a response. This is my second shot: IRC for developers. It would be nice if users of the latest Ubuntu can upgrade their bitcoind easiliy. Thanks.
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 625 2014-04-14 09:41:08 <owowo> !seen BlueMatt
 626 2014-04-14 09:41:08 <gribble> BlueMatt was last seen in #bitcoin-dev 2 days, 16 hours, 21 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <BlueMatt> (Why is it not posting those messages in here?)
 627 2014-04-14 09:41:39 <BlueMatt> hmm?
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 631 2014-04-14 09:45:29 <owowo> nederhoed: ^
 632 2014-04-14 09:46:10 <Luke-Jr> BlueMatt: 0.9.0 fails on PPA apparently
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 637 2014-04-14 09:47:35 <warren> grrrr
 638 2014-04-14 09:47:36 <warren> i686-w64-mingw32-g++: internal compiler error: Killed (program cc1plus)
 639 2014-04-14 09:47:49 <warren> gitian =(
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 656 2014-04-14 09:50:56 <sipa> warren: oo?
 657 2014-04-14 09:51:27 <warren> sipa: while building boost in gitian g++ crashes ... but only sometimes
 658 2014-04-14 09:51:36 <sipa> oom?
 659 2014-04-14 09:51:50 <warren> good question
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 661 2014-04-14 09:53:38 <Luke-Jr> warren: with the default -j?
 662 2014-04-14 09:54:07 <warren> -j4
 663 2014-04-14 09:54:15 <sipa> try reducing it
 664 2014-04-14 09:54:42 <jaromil> omit it completely, parallel build is likely to break boost
 665 2014-04-14 09:55:56 <jaromil> well, -j1 is equivalent to omission
 666 2014-04-14 09:56:26 <warren> why are we using boost again?
 667 2014-04-14 09:57:47 <jaromil> afaik boost provides quite some needed primitives, but I'm unaware of any progress you've done in 0.9 to omit it. one main reason I like picocoin is that there is no boost::
 668 2014-04-14 09:58:18 <jaromil> would be real nice to remove the dep from bitcoind
 669 2014-04-14 10:00:38 <jaromil> bitcoin uses boost:: system, filesystem, program_options and thread - sounds like it wouldn't be hard to substitute them
 670 2014-04-14 10:01:39 * jaromil is petting the idea of a new pull req in his mind
 671 2014-04-14 10:02:23 <jaromil> at first glance the culprit is system and filesystem portability on win32
 672 2014-04-14 10:03:11 <Luke-Jr> jaromil: isn't picocoin worse (glib)?
 673 2014-04-14 10:03:28 <jaromil> Luke-Jr: one may argue, yes. you have a point
 674 2014-04-14 10:03:33 <sipa> jaromil: i'm not a very large fan of boost, but right now it's just inevitable
 675 2014-04-14 10:03:38 <Luke-Jr> jaromil: if we depend on QtCore for bitcoind, we could use that for filesystem paths
 676 2014-04-14 10:03:46 <warren> certainly qt would have suitable replacements for that on windows
 677 2014-04-14 10:03:50 <jaromil> ack
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 679 2014-04-14 10:03:54 <sipa> jaromil: just maintaining a set of win32-compatible file API things is something i'm not eager to do
 680 2014-04-14 10:04:12 <jaromil> sipa: no i also wouldn't advice for that
 681 2014-04-14 10:04:23 <sipa> Luke-Jr: yuck (bitcoind depending on Qt)
 682 2014-04-14 10:04:29 <Luke-Jr> sipa: just QtCore
 683 2014-04-14 10:04:44 <sipa> still yuck :)
 684 2014-04-14 10:04:54 <jaromil> which is as big and painful as boost:: to compile
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 687 2014-04-14 10:05:04 <Luke-Jr> we could alternatively drop Windows support for bitcoind? :P
 688 2014-04-14 10:05:10 <jaromil> lol yea
 689 2014-04-14 10:05:14 <kinlo> eh, doesn't gtk depend on glib, doesn't it make sense to depend on glib for bitcoin too?
 690 2014-04-14 10:05:18 <sipa> is there something like reverse-wine ?
 691 2014-04-14 10:05:27 <Luke-Jr> kinlo: NO; I don't want glib/gtk garbage
 692 2014-04-14 10:05:39 <roybadami> cygwin?
 693 2014-04-14 10:05:40 <kinlo> and QT for that matter - qt changed their lib to glib too
 694 2014-04-14 10:05:42 <warren> sipa: you mean cygwin?
 695 2014-04-14 10:05:49 <Luke-Jr> sipa: Cygwin
 696 2014-04-14 10:05:57 <sipa> cygwin can't run linux binaries on windows
 697 2014-04-14 10:05:58 <Luke-Jr> kinlo: no, they did n't.
 698 2014-04-14 10:06:01 <warren> cygwin doesn't look very well maintained
 699 2014-04-14 10:06:12 <sipa> cygwin is a separate environment you can compile for & with
 700 2014-04-14 10:06:17 <Luke-Jr> sipa: oh. coLinux then. :P
 701 2014-04-14 10:06:18 <sipa> but it's not binary compatible with linux
 702 2014-04-14 10:06:27 <warren> Linux can run the win32 binary just fine! =)
 703 2014-04-14 10:06:33 <jaromil> QT now depends on glib?!
 704 2014-04-14 10:06:50 <Luke-Jr> jaromil: you can optionally compile it to use glib's event loop, then it runs slower
 705 2014-04-14 10:06:58 <jaromil> phew
 706 2014-04-14 10:07:02 <Luke-Jr> (mainly because glib is slower :P)
 707 2014-04-14 10:07:20 <jaromil> yea, i had my horror experience with gstreamer when fiddling with video
 708 2014-04-14 10:07:33 * Luke-Jr stabs KDE for pushing more glib dependency on things
 709 2014-04-14 10:07:35 <jaromil> since then, anything with a g in front is trash to my eyes
 710 2014-04-14 10:07:52 <jaromil> qt has better code for sure
 711 2014-04-14 10:08:45 <warren> doesn't qt have its own crypto library?
 712 2014-04-14 10:08:54 <Luke-Jr> warren: not really.
 713 2014-04-14 10:09:07 <Luke-Jr> there's QCA, but IIRC it sucks
 714 2014-04-14 10:09:12 <jaromil> gtk was designed as a toolkit to substitute visual basic style stuff. code a video player and put your logo on it, lame stuff
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 716 2014-04-14 10:09:27 <Luke-Jr> jaromil: this explains a lot..
 717 2014-04-14 10:09:43 <jaromil> its my way to explain it in short
 718 2014-04-14 10:09:54 <jaromil> the only coder i rly respect in there is pippin (gimp)
 719 2014-04-14 10:10:01 <jaromil> who is not using glib anymore afaik
 720 2014-04-14 10:10:13 <Luke-Jr> he should defect to Krita :P
 721 2014-04-14 10:10:30 * jaromil having a look
 722 2014-04-14 10:11:49 <jaromil> nice. never tried. i mostly use console and imagemagick :P
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 725 2014-04-14 10:12:23 <jaromil> i'm not sure pippin defected glib now looking at gegl http://gegl.org
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 727 2014-04-14 10:13:02 <jaromil> anyway, his latest thing is old-school oriented (but hosted on gnome) https://git.gnome.org/browse/pinpoint/
 728 2014-04-14 10:13:43 <jaromil> "a simple presentation tool that hopes to avoid audience death by bullet point" lol
 729 2014-04-14 10:15:08 <buZz> jaromil: \o/
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 734 2014-04-14 10:16:20 <jaromil> hey buzz :) you love it don't you. reminds me of tp (was that the name) but is not perl. now i recall you showed it to me first
 735 2014-04-14 10:16:39 <jaromil> anyway i'm still sticking to emacs org-mode context
 736 2014-04-14 10:16:44 <buZz> so many of these tools :P
 737 2014-04-14 10:17:18 <jaromil> and we play all kinds of music! country AND western!
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 740 2014-04-14 10:19:21 <buZz> hahaha
 741 2014-04-14 10:19:22 <buZz> :D
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 743 2014-04-14 10:20:27 <wumpus> there are no plans at all to remove the boost dependency from bitcoin
 744 2014-04-14 10:21:24 <jaromil> reasonable conclusion. as far as I see there is no good candidate to replace portable C++ filesystem access
 745 2014-04-14 10:21:25 <wumpus> boost is a very useful library, and the alternative generally is to roll all kinds of cross-platform wrappers and other boring stuff yourself, with the addional testing and maintenance that brings
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 748 2014-04-14 10:22:36 <wumpus> (I know that switching to C++11 would get rid of some reasons to use boost, for example threading, but certainly not all of them)
 749 2014-04-14 10:23:07 <jaromil> well, genjix is using C++11 to code libbitcoin, yet he is exploiting even more boost:: primitives (and requires the very latest boost release)
 750 2014-04-14 10:23:28 <jaromil> so at least in his case c++11 didn't substitute boost
 751 2014-04-14 10:23:44 <wumpus> it doesn't
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 753 2014-04-14 10:23:51 <wumpus> as i said, some parts
 754 2014-04-14 10:24:01 <wumpus> but there is lots of usefull code in boost that is not in any standard library
 755 2014-04-14 10:25:02 <wumpus> also boost is only one dependency; the alternative would be to have even more dependencies, one for each use case of boost
 756 2014-04-14 10:25:33 <wumpus> one dependency for json parsing/formatting, one for signals/slots, one for os-independent pathname handling, one of asynchronous networking, and so on
 757 2014-04-14 10:26:22 <warren> eh, don't we include an entire json library?
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 759 2014-04-14 10:26:39 <wumpus> warren: it's very small though, thanks to boost::spriti
 760 2014-04-14 10:26:59 <wumpus> in any case I don't feel like arguing this
 761 2014-04-14 10:27:10 <jaromil> boost handles the collection for all those. i remember when spirit was standalone
 762 2014-04-14 10:27:37 <jaromil> i also am convinced about boost:: being the best possible dep
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 764 2014-04-14 10:28:01 <wumpus> depending on boost is not a problem in my eyes, it may be some effort to get it compiled on some platforms, and to link to it (m4 autotools mess), but that's it... there are more important considerations than that
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 766 2014-04-14 10:29:31 <wumpus> a more worthwhile project would be to make gitian work on windows (without having to resort to LXC container-in-a-VM)
 767 2014-04-14 10:30:11 <warren> eh
 768 2014-04-14 10:30:25 <warren> you would still need a VM
 769 2014-04-14 10:30:34 <wumpus> ... obviously
 770 2014-04-14 10:30:50 <wumpus> but only one level, not inception
 771 2014-04-14 10:30:51 <warren> and you won't be able to create the VM from windows
 772 2014-04-14 10:31:12 <warren> not using gitian itself at least
 773 2014-04-14 10:31:41 <wumpus> I'm sure it would be possible, of course you'd need to do some work, you can't rely on the same utilities to exist as on linux
 774 2014-04-14 10:32:08 <warren> well, ruby and nearly all the tools would work from cygwin
 775 2014-04-14 10:32:20 <warren> you just can't debootstrap from cygwin
 776 2014-04-14 10:33:14 <wumpus> I'm not sure it's worth it either, making the current LXC-in-VM easier would be nice already, but it's more productive than say, trying to get rid of boost
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 778 2014-04-14 10:33:46 <wumpus> it actually attacks the probem instead of running away from it
 779 2014-04-14 10:34:12 <warren> how many windows devs do we have?
 780 2014-04-14 10:35:03 <wumpus> that doesn't matter, making it easier would probably result in more devs
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 786 2014-04-14 10:37:28 <wumpus> ideally the gitian build would just be pushing a button
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 790 2014-04-14 10:49:27 <wumpus> buZz: added test builds https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3695
 791 2014-04-14 10:49:40 <CodeShark> we should still move to C++11, even if it doesn't get rid of all boost dependencies :)
 792 2014-04-14 10:49:57 <CodeShark> it's nicer when things like for (auto& item: items) are part of the language
 793 2014-04-14 10:50:06 <CodeShark> rather than having to use BOOST_FOREACH and stuff like that
 794 2014-04-14 10:50:31 <sipa> CodeShark: yes, absolutely, but as long as we're stuck on supporting older platforms with too old compilers...
 795 2014-04-14 10:50:32 <wumpus> CodeShark: yes, it's nicer, but there is not a convincing reason yet and it makes compatibility with older/stable linux distros even more difficult
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 797 2014-04-14 10:50:55 <wumpus> CodeShark: see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4025
 798 2014-04-14 10:50:58 <warren> wumpus: with gitian kvm you mentioned that you modified your base images to include all the build deps to make it faster?
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 801 2014-04-14 10:51:45 <wumpus> warren: that wasn't me; I think it was gavin that uses virtualbox images with all deps installed
 802 2014-04-14 10:53:00 <warren> hmm, who was it
 803 2014-04-14 10:53:05 <warren> sipa: ?
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 805 2014-04-14 10:54:44 <CodeShark> by the time some of these old compilers support C++11, we'll already be using C++14 :p
 806 2014-04-14 10:55:48 <dexX7> i run into the problem of too many open files and i was wondering, if there is a way to manually close those? the methods in use are listalltransactions, listallunspent and getallbalance https://github.com/dexX7/bitcoin/blob/29b143ff821fb29d00e70025236ed7e549d2042c/src/rpcrawtransaction.cpp#L205 (based on the addrindex branch) + i'm iterating through a block to find the position of a tx in TxToJSON
 807 2014-04-14 10:55:49 <CodeShark> I worked on a project recently where I just automated backporting for older compilers
 808 2014-04-14 10:55:52 <CodeShark> but yeah, it is a pain
 809 2014-04-14 10:56:28 <CodeShark> as long as the backport can be automated using simple pattern search-and-replace, it's not too bad
 810 2014-04-14 10:57:07 <CodeShark> but that's only a relatively small subset of all the C++11 features we might want to use
 811 2014-04-14 10:57:15 <CodeShark> others require more sophisticated parsing
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 813 2014-04-14 10:57:45 <CodeShark> however, it's possible to help out the parser by adding formatted comments into the code
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 816 2014-04-14 10:59:48 <CodeShark> I have to say it's almost worth the effort doing this, if only because of good coding habits that C++11 allows
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 818 2014-04-14 11:01:37 <buZz> ERROR: certificate common name “viridian.visucore.com” doesn’t match requested host name “download.visucore.com”.
 819 2014-04-14 11:01:40 <buZz> sigh
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 821 2014-04-14 11:03:24 <buZz> wumpus: alright, anything specific you want me to test with it?
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 828 2014-04-14 11:11:41 <wumpus> buZz: hah, your ssl client doesn't support SNI
 829 2014-04-14 11:12:08 <warren> wumpus: that's one sign of Windows XP ...
 830 2014-04-14 11:12:09 <wumpus> buZz: test the -rpcbind option, for example make it listen on only a certain IPv6 interface, or IPv6 addr:port
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 832 2014-04-14 11:14:17 <wumpus> CodeShark: we'll do it eventually, just not yet
 833 2014-04-14 11:14:47 <wumpus> at this point it would create more problems than it solves, and if there's anything we have enough of, it's issues
 834 2014-04-14 11:16:07 <buZz> hmm, -rpcbind doesnt seem to work at all, no input whatsoever lets me start up a server?
 835 2014-04-14 11:16:19 <buZz> $ ./bitcoind.static -rpcbind 127.0.0.1:5555
 836 2014-04-14 11:16:20 <buZz> error: no response from server
 837 2014-04-14 11:16:28 <wumpus> -rpcbind=
 838 2014-04-14 11:16:33 <buZz> derp, ok
 839 2014-04-14 11:17:28 <buZz> its not binding to what i specify ..
 840 2014-04-14 11:18:29 <buZz> $ ./bitcoind.static -rpcbind=127.0.0.1:8888
 841 2014-04-14 11:18:29 <buZz> Bitcoin server starting
 842 2014-04-14 11:18:33 <wumpus> does rpcbind= appear in --help output?
 843 2014-04-14 11:18:46 <buZz> yet:
 844 2014-04-14 11:18:47 <buZz> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:8332          0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      13311/bitcoind.stat
 845 2014-04-14 11:19:03 <buZz>   -rpcbind=<addr>        Bind to given address to listen for JSON-RPC connections. Use [host]:port notation for IPv6 (default: bind to all interfaces)
 846 2014-04-14 11:19:19 <kdomanski> btw. one of the challenges with moving from boost std facilities is lack of thread interruption feature in std::thread
 847 2014-04-14 11:20:01 <wumpus> if so, can you try with -debug=rpc  .. messages like "Binding RPC on address" should then appear in the log
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 852 2014-04-14 11:22:34 <buZz> alright
 853 2014-04-14 11:22:38 <wumpus> buZz: oh wait.. yeah, you need to provide an -rpcallowip for bind to work
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 855 2014-04-14 11:23:11 <wumpus> otherwise it would be allowing everyone that can connect, which could result in accidental security problems
 856 2014-04-14 11:23:26 <buZz> 2014-04-14 11:21:14 Binding RPC on address ::1 port 8332 (IPv4+IPv6 bind any: 0)
 857 2014-04-14 11:23:31 <wumpus> (providing multiple rpcallowips, or wildcards, is allowed though)
 858 2014-04-14 11:23:59 <wumpus> hm, good catch, going to add a warning when -rpcbind is ignored
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 861 2014-04-14 11:29:29 <warren> is there a standard way to increase the number of cores and RAM you give to gitian?
 862 2014-04-14 11:30:17 <warren> crud ... my script unintentionally spams PR's
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 864 2014-04-14 11:32:26 <Luke-Jr> lechuga_: ping, any updates?
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 914 2014-04-14 12:34:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|This should work, right? $ cat bootstrap.dat.279000 ../bootstrap.dat.279001-295000 >> bootstrap.dat
 915 2014-04-14 12:34:44 <wumpus> michagogo|cloud: yes
 916 2014-04-14 12:35:44 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|waits for linearize to exit
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 967 2014-04-14 13:40:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;later tell BlueMatt Does the PPA have a package for trusty?
 968 2014-04-14 13:40:34 <gribble> The operation succeeded.
 969 2014-04-14 13:41:44 <daemon> hey all for the version packet, 'Node ID/Random unique ID'
 970 2014-04-14 13:41:47 <daemon> what is it?
 971 2014-04-14 13:42:01 <daemon> just a bunch of crap
 972 2014-04-14 13:42:05 <daemon> or
 973 2014-04-14 13:42:26 <daemon> will 'time' do ?
 974 2014-04-14 13:42:33 <daemon> its the same size field after all
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 977 2014-04-14 13:46:08 <jgarzik> blk00000.dat  Year 2009, height 0-32489
 978 2014-04-14 13:46:08 <jgarzik> blk00001.dat  Year 2010, height 32490-100409
 979 2014-04-14 13:46:08 <jgarzik> blk00002.dat  Year 2011, height 100410-160036
 980 2014-04-14 13:46:08 <jgarzik> blk00003.dat  Year 2012, height 160037-214562
 981 2014-04-14 13:46:08 <jgarzik> blk00004.dat  Year 2013, height 214563-277995
 982 2014-04-14 13:46:08 <jgarzik> blk00005.dat  Year 2014, height 277996-295000
 983 2014-04-14 13:46:10 <jgarzik> blk00000.dat  Year 2009, height 0-32489
 984 2014-04-14 13:46:14 <jgarzik> blk00001.dat  Year 2010, height 32490-100409
 985 2014-04-14 13:46:16 <jgarzik> blk00002.dat  Year 2011, height 100410-160036
 986 2014-04-14 13:46:18 <jgarzik> blk00003.dat  Year 2012, height 160037-214562
 987 2014-04-14 13:46:20 <jgarzik> blk00004.dat  Year 2013, height 214563-277995
 988 2014-04-14 13:46:22 <jgarzik> blk00005.dat  Year 2014, height 277996-295000
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 992 2014-04-14 13:46:28 <jgarzik> -rw-rw-r-- 1 jgarzik jgarzik    7621604 Apr 14 04:06 blk00000.dat
 993 2014-04-14 13:46:28 <jgarzik> -rw-rw-r-- 1 jgarzik jgarzik   53371054 Apr 14 04:22 blk00001.dat
 994 2014-04-14 13:46:30 <jgarzik> -rw-rw-r-- 1 jgarzik jgarzik  802206421 Apr 14 04:53 blk00002.dat
 995 2014-04-14 13:46:32 <jgarzik> -rw-rw-r-- 1 jgarzik jgarzik 3796927049 Apr 14 05:26 blk00003.dat
 996 2014-04-14 13:46:34 <jgarzik> -rw-rw-r-- 1 jgarzik jgarzik 9385919767 Apr 14 06:12 blk00004.dat
 997 2014-04-14 13:46:36 <jgarzik> -rw-rw-r-- 1 jgarzik jgarzik 3476010503 Apr 14 13:43 blk00005.dat
 998 2014-04-14 13:47:24 <daemon> so, yeah if anyone can offer some guidance on exactly what that field is meant to have
 999 2014-04-14 13:47:26 <daemon> woudl be handy ;)
1000 2014-04-14 13:47:45 <daemon> if it is just meant to be a unique identifier for my client
1001 2014-04-14 13:47:46 <sipa> daemon: it's there so you can detect accidentally connections to yourself
1002 2014-04-14 13:47:48 <daemon> how the hell would I know if its unique
1003 2014-04-14 13:47:53 <daemon> AH
1004 2014-04-14 13:48:05 <daemon> that makes more sence
1005 2014-04-14 13:48:08 <daemon> thank you sipa
1006 2014-04-14 13:49:14 <daemon> hmm
1007 2014-04-14 13:49:17 <daemon> from the docs:
1008 2014-04-14 13:49:27 <daemon> Node random nonce, randomly generated every time a version packet is sent. This nonce is used to detect connections to self.
1009 2014-04-14 13:49:30 <daemon> why random
1010 2014-04-14 13:49:35 <daemon> if its only used to detect connections to my self
1011 2014-04-14 13:49:39 <daemon> why can't I make it static
1012 2014-04-14 13:49:48 <sipa> if it's not random, other peers may guess it
1013 2014-04-14 13:49:50 <daemon> because if more than one person was using my client
1014 2014-04-14 13:49:56 <daemon> right
1015 2014-04-14 13:49:56 <sipa> and make you think you're connecting to yourself
1016 2014-04-14 13:50:11 <daemon> ok thats going to be a major pita with so many outbound connections
1017 2014-04-14 13:50:19 <daemon> ill have to keep some sort of local cache of created nonce's
1018 2014-04-14 13:51:11 <sipa> bitcoin core just uses a single global variable
1019 2014-04-14 13:51:19 <sipa> which is reset before every outgoing request
1020 2014-04-14 13:51:23 <sipa> and checked on every incoming one
1021 2014-04-14 13:51:33 <sipa> the nice thing about connections to yourself is that they are fast :)
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1023 2014-04-14 13:51:50 <sipa> so there is little risk over overlapping with another outgoing/incoming request
1024 2014-04-14 13:52:15 <daemon> true :) I can make a $nonceCache and make the keys the nonce giving me $nonceCache->{NONCE} = time
1025 2014-04-14 13:52:26 <daemon> if ever the time is > 2 I can safely assume its not local
1026 2014-04-14 13:52:29 <daemon> and someone is trying to be funny
1027 2014-04-14 13:52:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|jgarzik: Scanning my self-updated bootstrap.dat now
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1029 2014-04-14 13:52:57 <sipa> daemon: another solution is just keep a nonce per peer (you probably need a per-peer datastructure anyway)
1030 2014-04-14 13:53:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Is the u[dated file 17522056398 bytes
1031 2014-04-14 13:53:15 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|?
1032 2014-04-14 13:53:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|updated*
1033 2014-04-14 13:53:20 <daemon> its not really compatible with the way I have wrote the client
1034 2014-04-14 13:53:26 <daemon> oh wait ... it possible is
1035 2014-04-14 13:53:30 <sipa> what client are you writing?
1036 2014-04-14 13:53:34 <daemon> my own
1037 2014-04-14 13:53:40 <sipa> for doing what?
1038 2014-04-14 13:53:42 <daemon> POE-Component-Client-Bitcoin
1039 2014-04-14 13:53:47 <daemon> nothing really
1040 2014-04-14 13:53:51 <sipa> ic
1041 2014-04-14 13:53:51 <jgarzik> michagogo|cloud, yes
1042 2014-04-14 13:53:57 <daemon> just thought there isn't one so I will write it
1043 2014-04-14 13:53:58 <daemon> lol
1044 2014-04-14 13:54:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Great, I'll be a seed shortly
1045 2014-04-14 13:54:19 <jgarzik> michagogo|cloud, gimme a sec, and I'll give a sha256sum snippet
1046 2014-04-14 13:54:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(well, tonight and tomorrow is the first day of Pesach, so my computer will be off, but as long as it's on, I'll be a seed
1047 2014-04-14 13:54:53 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|)
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1049 2014-04-14 13:57:31 <buZz> oh, lets see
1050 2014-04-14 13:57:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I wish I could tell this thing to check from the end
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1055 2014-04-14 14:02:53 <buZz> wumpus: you have a PM
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1057 2014-04-14 14:05:22 <vetch> michagogo|cloud: which torrent client?
1058 2014-04-14 14:05:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|vetch: μTorrent
1059 2014-04-14 14:06:15 <vetch> michagogo|cloud: right click, there's a "verify" command somewhere that will verify the chunks
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1061 2014-04-14 14:06:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Huh?
1062 2014-04-14 14:06:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I don't think you understand
1063 2014-04-14 14:06:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I just loaded up a torrent, jgarzik's latest bootstrap.dat
1064 2014-04-14 14:07:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I generated the file myself, updating what I had before
1065 2014-04-14 14:07:36 <vetch> michagogo|cloud: entirely possible. I thought you were manually assembling the new bootstrap file and wanted to check it was consistent with the .torrent.
1066 2014-04-14 14:07:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Correct
1067 2014-04-14 14:07:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Now it's scanning that file to verify that it's accurate
1068 2014-04-14 14:08:04 <vetch> michagogo|cloud: yeah, right clicking and "force recheck" will verify the files match the SHA1, and discard and redownload any chunks that don't
1069 2014-04-14 14:08:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I'm just saying, I wish I could tell it to do that scanning from the end
1070 2014-04-14 14:08:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|...it's checking.
1071 2014-04-14 14:08:18 <vetch> oh!
1072 2014-04-14 14:08:29 <vetch> apologies.
1073 2014-04-14 14:08:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I'd just like it to check from the end, so I can know now if what I did was correct
1074 2014-04-14 14:08:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|np :)
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1076 2014-04-14 14:09:22 <vetch> if I'd been around before I'd have generated some parity files for you, quicker and easier.
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1078 2014-04-14 14:09:53 <vetch> reed-solomon <3
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1080 2014-04-14 14:10:21 <hno> Is it possible to ask bitcoind to tracka "foreign" address as if it was local, allowing listtransactions etc to query transactions?
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1082 2014-04-14 14:11:06 <vetch> that's not a feature supported by bitcoind, no. there's a "watch wallet" patch that hasn't been pulled in that does though.
1083 2014-04-14 14:11:28 <vetch> don't know if you can merge it with the current head, but it works
1084 2014-04-14 14:12:12 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|vetch: hm?
1085 2014-04-14 14:12:24 <hno> Has that patch been rejected, or simply not yet pulled in?
1086 2014-04-14 14:12:38 <vetch> michagogo|cloud: not sure what I mean by parity, or the watch wallet bit?
1087 2014-04-14 14:12:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I think the pull was closed
1088 2014-04-14 14:12:47 <vetch> oh right.
1089 2014-04-14 14:12:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|vetch: the torrent thing
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1091 2014-04-14 14:13:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(the "hm?" was at the torrent thing)
1092 2014-04-14 14:15:11 <Luke-Jr> hno: it's buggy
1093 2014-04-14 14:15:28 <vetch> michagogo|cloud: well because you have a large portion of the file already, I can create parity data from my complete copy that can be used to very resiliently repair yours. there's a really neat package called "par2" which lets you create recovery data from any file set, it does a great job of recovering even the most utterly destroyed copies of files. I've had copies of files mangled by FTP and par2 has been able to repair them with a few kilobytes of
1094 2014-04-14 14:15:28 <vetch> recovery data.
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1096 2014-04-14 14:16:07 <vetch> michagogo|cloud: it's sort of redundant if the torrent client can work it out, but still a useful tool to know about.
1097 2014-04-14 14:16:24 <hno> Any usable code around (preferably python) to watch a wallet?
1098 2014-04-14 14:16:40 <Luke-Jr> there isn't even a format for watching a wallet :x
1099 2014-04-14 14:16:50 <Luke-Jr> Armory supports watch-only copies of its wallets
1100 2014-04-14 14:17:12 <Luke-Jr> bitcoind can do the same if you make an "encrypted" copy with the privkey data deleted
1101 2014-04-14 14:17:17 <hearn> hno: you can watch wallets with bitcoinj
1102 2014-04-14 14:17:28 <hearn> hno: and that’s usable from python (jython), so ...
1103 2014-04-14 14:17:40 <hno> hearn, thanks!
1104 2014-04-14 14:18:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|vetch: I have most of the data
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1107 2014-04-14 14:19:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What I'm missing is exactly the last 3,299,939,533 bytes
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1109 2014-04-14 14:19:31 <vetch> michagogo|cloud: heh, want me to make you some recovery data?
1110 2014-04-14 14:19:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I added those 3,299,939,533 bytes onto the end already, I have the complete file
1111 2014-04-14 14:19:50 <vetch> OH
1112 2014-04-14 14:19:55 <vetch> yeah I'm going to stop talking
1113 2014-04-14 14:20:05 <vetch> keep getting the wrong end of the stick.
1114 2014-04-14 14:20:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I just need μTorrent to go its checking so it acknowledges that I have the whole thing and starts being a seed
1115 2014-04-14 14:20:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|do*
1116 2014-04-14 14:20:39 <vetch> yep.
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1118 2014-04-14 14:21:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|The actual update of the data was really easy, thanks to my changes to linearize.py
1119 2014-04-14 14:21:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(which somehow worked despite my not knowing python)
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1123 2014-04-14 14:28:23 <hno> Luke-Jr, if I add such shadow key to bitcoind then I suppose it wouldn't be wise to try to use the same bitcoind as a wallet? I guess it will try to pick coins from those addresses as well.
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1127 2014-04-14 14:31:29 <daemon> heya all, just a quick question on the protocol, for version; the example given is:
1128 2014-04-14 14:31:29 <daemon> "/Satoshi:0.7.2/" sub-version string (string is 15 bytes long)
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1130 2014-04-14 14:31:43 <daemon> I notice that the example has the version/client surrounded by / and /
1131 2014-04-14 14:31:49 <daemon> is there any reason for that or can I quite happily use
1132 2014-04-14 14:31:54 <daemon> daemonClient:0.0.1
1133 2014-04-14 14:32:05 <daemon> or whatever I fancy
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1135 2014-04-14 14:33:55 <hearn> daemon: there’s a BIP for it
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1138 2014-04-14 14:34:26 <daemon> hearn, can you call which, there is no link in the documentation I can see
1139 2014-04-14 14:34:50 <hearn> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0014.mediawiki
1140 2014-04-14 14:34:54 <daemon> thank you
1141 2014-04-14 14:35:37 <daemon> ah I see
1142 2014-04-14 14:35:41 <daemon> thank you again hearn
1143 2014-04-14 14:35:44 <hearn> np
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1152 2014-04-14 14:48:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|jgarzik: f451257f4e22e83dd49756b368b5b97dc1f92d31fa6dc114a0a9a69442490f4c *bootstrap.dat
1153 2014-04-14 14:49:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(and I'm a seed now, μTorrent verified it)
1154 2014-04-14 14:49:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Now, g2g
1155 2014-04-14 14:49:04 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|bbl
1156 2014-04-14 14:49:17 <jgarzik> michagogo|cloud, cool
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1176 2014-04-14 15:10:57 <Luke-Jr> hno: yeah, you can't mix watch-only-hack with a real wallet
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1186 2014-04-14 15:23:08 <Arpolix> hey
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1188 2014-04-14 15:23:26 <Arpolix> are these transactions being modified:
1189 2014-04-14 15:23:28 <Arpolix> https://blockchain.info/rawtx/e0b06d0436868479e25ce337982efe42863f1e808b86f3e22200dadf69ca7a98
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1209 2014-04-14 15:46:20 <helo> Arpolix: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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1211 2014-04-14 15:48:06 <helo> kind of like asking "is this signature forged?" without supplying a known valid signature
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1213 2014-04-14 15:49:03 <Arpolix> transactions modified by oppushdata2 can be told to be so on their own
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1215 2014-04-14 15:49:09 <Arpolix> they dont need the second transaction
1216 2014-04-14 15:49:31 <Arpolix> those modified with oppush2 start with 4d4800
1217 2014-04-14 15:49:34 <Arpolix> rather than 48
1218 2014-04-14 15:49:41 <Arpolix> i think?
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1258 2014-04-14 16:13:59 <Decide1000_> Hi all. Does someone know  a good tutorial I can follow to create my own cryptocurrency on debian?
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1261 2014-04-14 16:17:05 <vetch> Decide1000_: hi, this is off topic for #bitcoin-dev, take it elsewhere.
1262 2014-04-14 16:17:50 <Decide1000_> srry, thanks
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1266 2014-04-14 16:20:45 <hno> What is the deal with testnet block 00000000001c356b8062fa69ad3690484f5e91a4abaa13c90e96eb61daff5dcd transaction cdd0ee67961298616f9fa0a86eb1db9d76dbe2a92a255ba442a17f2cace75b2a?
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1268 2014-04-14 16:22:25 <gmaxwell> hno: not a very useful question, looks ordinary enough to me.
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1271 2014-04-14 16:23:51 <hno> gmaxwell, for some reason my bitcoind claims that tx is not known to i.
1272 2014-04-14 16:24:25 <hno> 020000000c37fe646e136b6a1b982b9965a83718c8673ddc84da471f79963b5400000000e4ae0c76b606c1229674a257fee04d8192cb1ac47417048f58f7bf83304062d979cc4953c0ff3f1b204b197c0301000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000ffffffff0d03ec6003012f062f503253482fffffffff0120470395000000002321026d02ffec4078478ffa7df80fc6d1179691dc3f1076c770e83706835cbac78d21ac000000000100000001adb8a667b30613865c9e345c5b2172422745d9963f4db10f8b31470a63db04530100
1273 2014-04-14 16:24:25 <hno> 00006a47304402204c036a670177fdfac812818c226a9c4e47d15615400c5428455bcec7ef3400ad02204d4ab9ac98134537a4a8ed3af6574b3e6f77e5bc61b622a5d729148e78f2a0e10121024cbc5dfd552927adb39d8ae259120a43fd373830f7888154373b9721fccb2ffeffffffff0200ca9a3b000000001976a9142c21cb02b788012a8d7111f3e3e7dc40ab94b57388acf08e6cd0020000001976a914e82437db0e5449cf0a727807256aea482b12d7bb88ac0000000001000000018f37613b07e979c51411e2c074ee96be6458843ef4734a61cca4f2ce0a47cdef010000006b
1274 2014-04-14 16:24:25 <hno> 483045022100d6673f91af900ee39f67729061b2108b2c82df164cfa7ea2422f3fbe00f39abe0220085eb486af4fa3c084b997928df1a6dfe3be2a8d876af1c1378de2164c225b460121032282c9a15413feffaac10899f2a0dd2c8d1cba14b9019b4d6fdf49e44a47a59cffffffff0220a10700000000001976a914c36de12e2c3e257552daf9f4736ea05e44ce275288ac30cee205000000001976a91449a5d1f556e1771fd04eb71d7960d5835be5903588ac00000000
1275 2014-04-14 16:24:29 <gmaxwell> hno: presumably it's been spent and you're not running with the tx index.
1276 2014-04-14 16:24:30 <hno> gah!
1277 2014-04-14 16:24:53 <hno> sorry for the paste.
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1280 2014-04-14 16:25:28 <hno> I can query any other tx I have tried, spent or unspent.
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1284 2014-04-14 16:27:25 <gmaxwell> are you running with txindex=1 on that node?
1285 2014-04-14 16:27:40 <gmaxwell> getrawtransaction on that txid works fine for me, but I do see that its spent.
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1287 2014-04-14 16:29:13 <hno> gmaxwell, seems I am not. Thanks, will try with it enabled.
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1290 2014-04-14 16:30:22 <vetch> hno: enabling it needs a very lengthy rescan
1291 2014-04-14 16:30:51 <hno> I know
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1293 2014-04-14 16:30:59 <gmaxwell> it's not that lenghty on testnet.
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1295 2014-04-14 16:31:33 <hno> Any drawbacks from having it enabled other than somewhat higher disk usage? Any significant difference in memory usage?
1296 2014-04-14 16:31:38 <hearn> sipa: ping
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1298 2014-04-14 16:32:42 <gmaxwell> hno: increases IO somewhat, I wouldn't expect memory usage to increase.
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1301 2014-04-14 16:34:18 <GAit> i'm not too familiar with the details but I did try to read the dev mailing list, I was wondering why for SPV it was decided to use tor over other things and whether using i2p is feasable and if not what the issues would be.
1302 2014-04-14 16:34:23 <vetch> gmaxwell: have you seen testnet3 lately? it's getting very big
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1304 2014-04-14 16:37:43 <hearn> sipa: i am thinking that the double spending tx reject message does not actually work
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1306 2014-04-14 16:38:23 <hearn> sipa: double spends end up going down the dead “replace tx” codepath and not even making a log message, let alone sending a reject. but more generally i wonder how we can reliably detect double spends given the utxo set design where spent coins are deleted.
1307 2014-04-14 16:38:49 <hearn> GAit: because there’s a pure java tor library that’s dead easy to use (though we got word from another user of it that it has a few bugs)
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1310 2014-04-14 16:40:07 <WOODMAN> http://bitcoinmacroeconomics.com/2014/04/13/interview-with-director-of-cryptoeconomy-engineering-at-blocktech-mr-bryce-weiner/
1311 2014-04-14 16:40:10 <GAit> hearn: I see, pragmatic.
1312 2014-04-14 16:40:16 <vetch> WOODMAN: stop spamming your irrelevant crap.
1313 2014-04-14 16:40:40 <GAit> hearn: no doubt tor improves a lot on the current situation
1314 2014-04-14 16:41:01 <vetch> Tor helps and hinders. with Tor Sybil attacks are costless.
1315 2014-04-14 16:41:18 <hearn> which is why bitcoinj doesn’t connect to hidden services
1316 2014-04-14 16:41:24 <hearn> it just uses tor exits to get to the internet
1317 2014-04-14 16:41:29 <GAit> vetch: the way it would work with out server is that SPV is only used to make sure the server is not feeding compromised data
1318 2014-04-14 16:41:59 <vetch> GAit: the node can still lie by omission.
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1320 2014-04-14 16:42:31 <GAit> yes, but it's unlikely for both the third party server and the SPV network to be lieing, you'd hope at least it's an improvement
1321 2014-04-14 16:43:10 <GAit> we currently use the electrum network for this purpose but it may make more sense to use the same as other wallets
1322 2014-04-14 16:43:17 <vetch> hearn: exiting Tor has it's problems too. there's a very small pool of exiting nodes that can be used as a Syil too.
1323 2014-04-14 16:43:22 <hearn> yes
1324 2014-04-14 16:43:41 <hearn> the hope is that this is less of an issue than local attackers
1325 2014-04-14 16:43:47 <vetch> understood
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1327 2014-04-14 16:44:34 <hearn> also it may (or may not) hinder traffic analysis
1328 2014-04-14 16:44:51 <hearn> though i don’t have much hope of beating nsa/gchq level adversaries any time soon. not with our resources
1329 2014-04-14 16:45:18 <vetch> hearn: that's not a game you can win.
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1331 2014-04-14 16:45:39 <hearn> i fear you are right
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1337 2014-04-14 16:47:37 <BlueMatt> michagogo|cloud: no
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1362 2014-04-14 17:31:12 <daemon> hello all
1363 2014-04-14 17:31:14 <daemon> in the version packet
1364 2014-04-14 17:31:15 <daemon> what is:
1365 2014-04-14 17:31:16 <daemon> C0 3E 03 00                                                                   - Last block sending node has is block #212672
1366 2014-04-14 17:31:34 <daemon> ah last block received
1367 2014-04-14 17:31:40 <daemon> but what if you have received nothing so far
1368 2014-04-14 17:31:44 <daemon> should it be 00 00 00 00
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1370 2014-04-14 17:31:51 <daemon> or not included
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1378 2014-04-14 17:42:05 <rnicoll> pushing my luck a little here I'm aware, but looking for quotes on whether Dogecoin should, or should not, change proof of work. Anyone happy for me to quote them and have an opinion?
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1382 2014-04-14 17:43:23 <gmaxwell> rnicoll: You've already asked in here, it's really offtopic, but you could refer to the prior answers.
1383 2014-04-14 17:44:18 <rnicoll> I did? Apologies, losing track.
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1385 2014-04-14 17:45:09 <chmod755> gmaxwell, randomly found your name on the internet (FSF.org)
1386 2014-04-14 17:45:30 <chmod755> unless there's another gmaxwell
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1389 2014-04-14 17:46:46 <viajero> can the "nothing at stake" problem of PoS be solved with this poposal: http://blog.ethereum.org/2014/01/15/slasher-a-punitive-proof-of-stake-algorithm/ ? i know, its off topic, but anywhere else nobody is smart enough ;)
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1399 2014-04-14 17:54:41 <gmaxwell> chmod755: thats probably me.
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1427 2014-04-14 18:14:25 <jgarzik> Bitcoin blockchain torrent updated, please seed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145386.0
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1434 2014-04-14 18:18:12 <chmod755> updating http://imgur.com/oSqdV3q
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1447 2014-04-14 18:25:21 <gmaxwell> sipa: Do you think it's time that we start nagging other implementers to implement the low-S on their signatures?
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1451 2014-04-14 18:27:18 <sipa> gmaxwell: depends on whether we want to to be non-standard at some point, outside of bip62 v3 transactions
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1456 2014-04-14 18:28:04 <gmaxwell> I think we do... since they're a trivial vector for griefing even if you don't care that much about malleability. Plus it makes it easier to implement v3 transactions.
1457 2014-04-14 18:28:15 <gmaxwell> (just change the version and you're done)
1458 2014-04-14 18:28:25 <gmaxwell> (assuming you were boring otherwise)
1459 2014-04-14 18:28:36 <sipa> well, it certainly can't hurt to ask people to implement it already
1460 2014-04-14 18:28:45 <sipa> bitcoinj already does, afaik
1461 2014-04-14 18:28:57 <gmaxwell> yea, I thought bitcoinj did (I would have asked mike if he was here)
1462 2014-04-14 18:29:18 <gmaxwell> GAit: Does greenwallet?
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1465 2014-04-14 18:30:02 <davec> I have no objections to low-S for btcd stuff
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1467 2014-04-14 18:30:33 <maaku> why are we skipping v2 transactions, btw?
1468 2014-04-14 18:30:49 <phantomcircuit> maaku, iirc there is already someone claiming to be v2 transactions
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1470 2014-04-14 18:31:09 <GAit> gmaxwell: at this time we only check the fee is reasonable and the tx is standard and prevout has a number of confirmations but we're want to definitely implement this https://gist.github.com/sipa/8907691 assuming the community wants to go ahead with it
1471 2014-04-14 18:31:38 <sipa> maaku: to keep block and version number synchronized
1472 2014-04-14 18:31:43 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, ps there's already a number of servers seeding that
1473 2014-04-14 18:31:57 <phantomcircuit> (i was getting 65MiB/s)
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1476 2014-04-14 18:32:43 <gmaxwell> GAit: In this case I'm only asking about this part: https://gist.github.com/sipa/8907691#Low_S_values_in_signatures  which is something any signer can implement right away.  The code in bitcoind is https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/key.cpp#L214
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1479 2014-04-14 18:33:42 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit, Yes, and I will not be satisfied with our seeder spread until you are getting 1000MiB/s
1480 2014-04-14 18:34:18 <jgarzik> Moar is always better ;p
1481 2014-04-14 18:34:54 <sipa> GAit, gmaxwell: i removed the text on that gist, and put a link to bip62 instead
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1485 2014-04-14 18:36:47 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit, More seriously, I like to get sufficient seeders that (a) most get a full bandwidth download, and (b) seeders are otherwise idle.
1486 2014-04-14 18:37:45 <maaku> sipa: but that doesn't really make any sense - they are two completely separate upgrade mechanisms
1487 2014-04-14 18:37:51 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, sadly this server is only 1 gbps
1488 2014-04-14 18:37:58 <maaku> block version upgrades don't have anything to do with version upgrades
1489 2014-04-14 18:38:08 <phantomcircuit> i'd test it from a 10gbps line but that is for other uses
1490 2014-04-14 18:38:12 <sipa> maaku: technically, true
1491 2014-04-14 18:38:17 <sipa> maaku: but just to keep mental sanity
1492 2014-04-14 18:38:34 <sipa> as both are likely often just some changes to validation
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1494 2014-04-14 18:40:38 <maaku> sipa: but different sorts of validation
1495 2014-04-14 18:40:51 <gmaxwell> petertodd: can you change the python stuff you maintain to do the low-S on signing?
1496 2014-04-14 18:41:17 <sipa> maaku: they overlap
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1498 2014-04-14 18:41:41 <sipa> maaku: bip62 is an example itself, where the block version number affects validation of transactions in it
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1500 2014-04-14 18:42:39 <sipa> i want to avoid the bip14 situation, where we wanted to decouple client version and protocol version, and now people think protocol version 70001 refers to bitcoin version 0.7.0.1
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1510 2014-04-14 18:47:53 <jgarzik> Can anybody PM or paste the number of torrent seeders seen on the new torrent?  (not peers, seeders)
1511 2014-04-14 18:48:31 <jgarzik> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:cb7caf0b4c0ee266cce5fbd8f8ba3903f5efa82e&dn=bootstrap.dat&tr=udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80&tr=udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80&tr=udp://tracker.ccc.de:80&tr=udp://tracker.istole.it:80
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1515 2014-04-14 18:49:52 <vetch> jgarzik: 4 on the first tracker, not sure about the rest.
1516 2014-04-14 18:49:59 <jgarzik> tnx
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1528 2014-04-14 18:56:51 <phantomcircuit> vetch, weird i see 33 total
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1530 2014-04-14 18:57:01 <phantomcircuit> i guess dht works better than i thought
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1532 2014-04-14 18:57:29 <vetch> likely
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1539 2014-04-14 19:08:12 <maaku> sipa: sure sure, but I don't see how that means we should treat two separate upgrade mechanisms as the same ...
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1563 2014-04-14 19:36:52 <chmod755> phantomcircuit, 33 peers?
1564 2014-04-14 19:37:05 <xabbix> Is there any 'advanced' block explorer that would allow me to search for example which addresses were transferred 25BTC over the last 24h?
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1566 2014-04-14 19:39:33 <phantomcircuit> chmod755, 33 bittorrent peers for bootstrap.dat
1567 2014-04-14 19:39:37 <phantomcircuit> actualyl 33 seeders
1568 2014-04-14 19:39:52 <phantomcircuit> showing 42 seeders and 34 peers now
1569 2014-04-14 19:39:57 <vetch> xabbix: not that I'm aware of. you're going to be doing that on your own.
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1571 2014-04-14 19:40:26 <xabbix> vetch, thought so.. thanks :-\
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1574 2014-04-14 19:44:30 <TYDIRocks> Hello I download the core .tar.gz on my main computer, put it on a flash drive and extracted it onto an ubuntu livecd. When I double click bitcoin-qt I get "There is no application installed for "shared library" files" how can I fix this?
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1578 2014-04-14 19:47:24 <jgarzik> phantomcircuit, excellent
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1584 2014-04-14 19:56:19 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, already uploaded over 10GB
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1587 2014-04-14 19:57:05 <chmod755> 29.4GB :P
1588 2014-04-14 19:57:07 <warren> btw, does -regtest have a separate color?
1589 2014-04-14 19:57:15 <warren> or should it?
1590 2014-04-14 19:57:26 <TYDIRocks> Can someone please help me with my above problem
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1602 2014-04-14 20:07:52 <chichov> could someone enlighten me on this particular part of code? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/script.cpp#L1013
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1604 2014-04-14 20:08:59 <jgarzik> chichov, like the comment implies, op_codeseparator is skipped
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1606 2014-04-14 20:09:43 <chichov> jgarzik: line 1017 indicates to me that all code until the latest OP_CODESEP is skipped
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1608 2014-04-14 20:10:30 <chichov> what I'm asking in particular is what exactly happens in line 1013
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1613 2014-04-14 20:15:34 <sipa> chichov: it serializes all bytes between itBegin up until the byte before op_codeseparator
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1618 2014-04-14 20:16:58 <chichov> sipa: is this data overwritten by line 1017?
1619 2014-04-14 20:17:17 <sipa> no, it serializes to stream s
1620 2014-04-14 20:17:22 <sipa> nothing is every overwritten
1621 2014-04-14 20:17:29 <chichov> so he is indeed only skipping op_codesep's
1622 2014-04-14 20:17:35 <sipa> the method is marked const
1623 2014-04-14 20:17:45 <sipa> it cannot modify the script
1624 2014-04-14 20:18:10 <chichov> I mean the serialized script
1625 2014-04-14 20:18:23 <sipa> it does what the comment says
1626 2014-04-14 20:18:26 <sipa> it serializes the script
1627 2014-04-14 20:18:26 <chichov> but if it's a stream, then it's simply appended
1628 2014-04-14 20:18:33 <sipa> skipping codeseps
1629 2014-04-14 20:19:11 <sipa> well, in practice, the stream is a HashWriter
1630 2014-04-14 20:19:16 <sipa> which hashes the data fed to it on the fly
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1632 2014-04-14 20:19:24 <sipa> so it's not actually "appended" to anything
1633 2014-04-14 20:19:49 <chichov> alright
1634 2014-04-14 20:19:57 <chichov> then I have another point to clarify
1635 2014-04-14 20:20:33 <chichov> in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/script.cpp#L854 it appears that the script is truncated to the part starting from the most recent codesep
1636 2014-04-14 20:20:47 <sipa> yup
1637 2014-04-14 20:21:10 <chichov> but in the code we've just discussed the signature is built from the script with removed codesep's
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1640 2014-04-14 20:21:34 <chichov> not from a script that's truncated
1641 2014-04-14 20:21:35 <sipa> after the last codesep, there may be more
1642 2014-04-14 20:21:49 <sipa> so that skipping removes those
1643 2014-04-14 20:22:03 <sipa> (seriously, the whole codeseparator thing is legacy and should just be removed)
1644 2014-04-14 20:22:10 <sipa> but... forking risk
1645 2014-04-14 20:22:22 <chichov> let me try understanding this
1646 2014-04-14 20:22:40 <sipa> let me visualize:
1647 2014-04-14 20:22:47 <chichov> yea, that'd help
1648 2014-04-14 20:23:20 <sipa> scriptPubKey: a CODESEP1 b CODESEP2 c OP_CHECKSIG d CODESEP3 e CODESEP4 f
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1655 2014-04-14 20:24:11 <sipa> what is being passed to scripthash is <c OP_CHECKSIG d CODESPE3 e CODESEP4 f>, as CODESEP2 is the last codesep
1656 2014-04-14 20:24:31 <sipa> scripthash remove the codeseps from what remains
1657 2014-04-14 20:24:39 <sipa> so hashes: c OP_CHECKSIG d e f
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1662 2014-04-14 20:27:15 <chichov> this indeed made a click
1663 2014-04-14 20:28:12 <chichov> thank you very much for your explanation
1664 2014-04-14 20:28:29 <sipa> yw
1665 2014-04-14 20:29:18 <chichov> somewhere along the way I didn't grasp the fact that OP_CHECKSIG cuts off the script until the most recent OP_CODESEP along the evaluation
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1667 2014-04-14 20:29:47 <chichov> alright, I'll get back to revising my notes, have a pleasant evening!
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1701 2014-04-14 21:01:24 <hno> gmaxwell, thanks. txindex solved my question. Ran into some other unexpected things in the blockchain but easily dealt with.
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1706 2014-04-14 21:06:57 <wc-> hi all, if i generate a HD address with pycoin, can i import that wallet into armory or electrum?
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1708 2014-04-14 21:07:11 <wc-> they use different key generation algorithms so they are not compatible right?
1709 2014-04-14 21:07:27 <mr_burdell> wc-: you can import it as a single address
1710 2014-04-14 21:07:39 <mr_burdell> if you have it as a private key
1711 2014-04-14 21:07:59 <wc-> import it into which wallet?
1712 2014-04-14 21:08:06 <wc-> any of them?
1713 2014-04-14 21:08:18 <mr_burdell> any... or are you talking about a private chain key?
1714 2014-04-14 21:08:46 <wc-> i figured i could import the private key to any of them, but armory or electrum wouldnt be able to wathc for 'new' addresses that were generated off that private key
1715 2014-04-14 21:09:07 <sipa> yes, you need wallets that support hd wallets for that
1716 2014-04-14 21:09:19 <mr_burdell> which I believe most wallets are working on
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1718 2014-04-14 21:09:40 <wc-> what could i use today for that purpose?
1719 2014-04-14 21:09:41 <sipa> yup, but in no clear state of being actually compatible soon
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1721 2014-04-14 21:10:15 <mr_burdell> wc-: you can pregenerate a bunch of addresses and then import them
1722 2014-04-14 21:10:30 <mr_burdell> I know electrum allows you to import a list of private keys all at once
1723 2014-04-14 21:10:35 <mr_burdell> I assume others do too
1724 2014-04-14 21:10:48 <wc-> ok, ill take a look at that, need to figure out how to generate a bunch of addresses first
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1755 2014-04-14 21:44:34 <Barbossa> have a look at this new miner : www.kryptomudra.com
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1761 2014-04-14 21:46:23 <sipa> Barbossa: not here
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1780 2014-04-14 22:14:02 <wc-> this guide has been pretty helpful, ive opted to just generate a lot of addresses
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1782 2014-04-14 22:14:20 <wc-> all i need is a big list of public addresses, seems simpler to do this thanworry about deterministic wallets right now
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1792 2014-04-14 22:23:47 <warren> http://wtogami.blogspot.com/2013/05/openssl-with-ecdsa-for-fedora-18.html
1793 2014-04-14 22:23:55 <warren> updated openssl with secp256k1 for Fedora
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1818 2014-04-14 22:46:04 <GAit> gmaxwell: no we don't have low 's' values in the signature yet. We're going to add it soon though and submit a patch to pycoin. sipa: thanks for the update
1819 2014-04-14 22:46:36 <gmaxwell> GAit: great.
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