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  42 2014-04-20 01:04:14 <saizai> so… anyone want to comment on the bitcoin doc before I put it up?
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  45 2014-04-20 01:07:01 <sipa> which?
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  47 2014-04-20 01:08:46 <saizai> comments on our own comments on the two bitcoin draft aos
  48 2014-04-20 01:08:50 <saizai> can PM link
  49 2014-04-20 01:09:02 <saizai> if you want to comment on ‘em yourself, instructions @ makeyourlaws.org/fec/bitcoin#comment
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  51 2014-04-20 01:09:06 <sipa> aos?
  52 2014-04-20 01:09:14 <saizai> see links at top of that link
  53 2014-04-20 01:09:15 <saizai> FEC
  54 2014-04-20 01:09:17 <sipa> oh, legal stuff
  55 2014-04-20 01:09:22 <saizai> yes
  56 2014-04-20 01:12:44 <tyrick> Is there a bitcoin PAC being made?
  57 2014-04-20 01:12:52 <tyrick> what is this?
  58 2014-04-20 01:13:43 * saizai runs makeyourlaws
  59 2014-04-20 01:13:51 <saizai> see above for the summary
  60 2014-04-20 01:13:57 <saizai> @ link
  61 2014-04-20 01:14:10 <saizai> we’re going to post comments on the 2 draft AOs
  62 2014-04-20 01:14:14 <saizai> and I have a draft of those comments
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 105 2014-04-20 02:15:18 <sipa> BlueMatt: i think it's pretty useful that people can try a gitian build before a release (candidate) and check that it matches with something
 106 2014-04-20 02:15:25 <sipa> whether they will... that's another question
 107 2014-04-20 02:15:57 <sipa> also, why am i awake?
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 112 2014-04-20 02:28:47 <BlueMatt> sipa: I dont think anyone will check it......in any case, it would be nice for jenkins to use gitian
 113 2014-04-20 02:28:59 <BlueMatt> I was just pointing out that we have a builder already, paid for by the foundation
 114 2014-04-20 02:29:03 <BlueMatt> no need for 10 :p
 115 2014-04-20 02:29:15 <BlueMatt> wumpus: can you re-open #3945, its not fixed?
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 123 2014-04-20 02:30:58 <WOODMAN> thats right , done
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 341 2014-04-20 07:22:49 <olalonde> does anyone have a master public key on testnet?
 342 2014-04-20 07:22:55 <olalonde> bip32
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 351 2014-04-20 07:38:16 <twizt> anyone know why blockchaininfo fires a 403 error message when trying to retrieve the json string?
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 355 2014-04-20 07:41:39 <phantomcircuit> twizt, rate limiting probably
 356 2014-04-20 07:42:06 <twizt> ah
 357 2014-04-20 07:42:15 <twizt> well that sux
 358 2014-04-20 07:42:35 <phantomcircuit> that they dont provide you with unlimited api calls for a free service?
 359 2014-04-20 07:42:37 <twizt> it works when i go on browser tho
 360 2014-04-20 07:42:44 <phantomcircuit> yeah terrible
 361 2014-04-20 07:42:44 <deego> :)
 362 2014-04-20 07:42:56 <twizt> y would it work on browser
 363 2014-04-20 07:43:15 <twizt> and not for the app
 364 2014-04-20 07:43:46 <phantomcircuit> because it's cloudflare
 365 2014-04-20 07:43:46 <deego> twizt: ikr, lolz, so lam3!
 366 2014-04-20 07:43:54 <phantomcircuit> they detect that you're using a script
 367 2014-04-20 07:44:58 <twizt> learn something new everyday
 368 2014-04-20 07:45:03 <twizt> ty
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 370 2014-04-20 08:01:35 <olalonde> does latest bitcoin use bip32?
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 377 2014-04-20 08:10:39 <gpmnlxdw> Hi guys, does bitcoin-qt can run without X in linux?
 378 2014-04-20 08:10:58 <gpmnlxdw> Hi guys, can I get bitcoin-qt run without X in linux?
 379 2014-04-20 08:12:07 <gmaxwell> olalonde: no
 380 2014-04-20 08:12:33 <gmaxwell> gpmnlxdw: the GUI needs X to display, though it could display remotely.  If you don't want the gui you used bitcoind not bitcoin-qt
 381 2014-04-20 08:13:31 <gpmnlxdw> how to run bitcoind? I just use it to do some rpc call , how could I run it as a daemon?
 382 2014-04-20 08:14:06 <gpmnlxdw> i found it
 383 2014-04-20 08:14:08 <gpmnlxdw> :)
 384 2014-04-20 08:14:10 <gpmnlxdw> To use locally, first start the program in daemon mode:
 385 2014-04-20 08:14:11 <gpmnlxdw>     bitcoind -daemon
 386 2014-04-20 08:14:26 <gpmnlxdw> should be so?
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 388 2014-04-20 08:15:02 <sipa> daemon just means it runs in the background
 389 2014-04-20 08:15:14 <sipa> nothing more, nothing less
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 391 2014-04-20 08:16:47 <gpmnlxdw> Hi Gmaxwell, in this way, will bitcoind do anything same as bicoin-qt? except that it do not have a GUI?
 392 2014-04-20 08:17:02 <gmaxwell> gpmnlxdw: yes.
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 395 2014-04-20 08:20:10 <gpmnlxdw> Good, thanks!
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 418 2014-04-20 09:02:48 <GAit> morning
 419 2014-04-20 09:03:34 <GAit> gmaxwell: nice, looks like both patches to use low 's' values for signatures have been merged
 420 2014-04-20 09:04:14 <sipa> nice!
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 432 2014-04-20 09:26:08 <GAit> sipa: we were thinking of using prevouts with 6 confirmations for 0 confirmation out of band signatures of 'instant confirmation' but imho it should be correlated to the amount you are trying to move. i.e. if you are moving 5000/10000 btc maybe your prevout should have more confirmations. Thoughts on this?
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 434 2014-04-20 09:27:12 <GAit> likewise, for transactions under 5 euros i don't think you need more than one confirm on prevout
 435 2014-04-20 09:27:50 <sipa> you yourself are one of the signers, right?
 436 2014-04-20 09:28:17 <GAit> yes
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 438 2014-04-20 09:28:58 <sipa> so from your own perspective, there will never be a double spend, unless your system is hacked
 439 2014-04-20 09:29:10 <sipa> (assuming you don't sign conflicting transactions)
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 446 2014-04-20 09:31:50 <GAit> correct, we also have to be carefull not to allow an instant transaction too close to when the time locked transaction expire, as those will also allow a double spend
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 449 2014-04-20 09:33:16 <GAit> i don't want to underestimate reorgs but i also don't want to make it a pain to the users
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 471 2014-04-20 10:01:51 <melvster> no blocks on the testnet for half an hour, that's somewhat unusual?
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 517 2014-04-20 11:22:25 <airbreather> Has anyone collected a list of the known... "unintuitive"... behaviors in Bitcoin that need to be reproduced faithfully for an alternative client to achieve consensus with bitcoind?  e.g., OP_CHECKMULTISIG popping off an extra value off the stack, off-by-one difficulty retargeting, SIGHASH_SINGLE permitting vout.size() <= nOut?
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 519 2014-04-20 11:27:13 <Luke-Jr> airbreather: no, I think people have intentionally avoided doing so
 520 2014-04-20 11:28:58 <airbreather> probably to avoid giving the impression that it's a complete list, I imagine
 521 2014-04-20 11:30:18 <buZz> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=400753.msg6298413#msg6298413 <- wow
 522 2014-04-20 11:30:26 <buZz> (slightly OT)
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 529 2014-04-20 11:42:54 <CheckDavid> Wow. They tried to steal his btcs?
 530 2014-04-20 11:43:00 <Luke-Jr> airbreather: and because "did they discover <these>?" is used as a metric to test alt implementation competency
 531 2014-04-20 11:44:14 <airbreather> Luke-Jr: Sneaky, but sounds effective.  thanks
 532 2014-04-20 11:44:26 <sipa> well, it's better than that
 533 2014-04-20 11:44:42 <sipa> we've actually discovered many quirks through people trying to reimplement it
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 537 2014-04-20 11:50:55 <GAit> how many full node clients are there besides btcd?
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 539 2014-04-20 11:52:17 <airbreather> there's at least bitcoinj, which needs to at least pretend to be a full node
 540 2014-04-20 11:52:29 <sipa> bop, bitcoinj, btcd, purecoin, ... and several others have attempted full or partial reimplementations
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 542 2014-04-20 11:52:35 <sipa> unsure how complete they effectively are
 543 2014-04-20 11:52:44 <sipa> airbreather: "needs to" ?
 544 2014-04-20 11:52:45 <GAit> fair enough
 545 2014-04-20 11:53:22 <gpmnlxdw>  bitcoind --daemon
 546 2014-04-20 11:53:23 <gpmnlxdw> Bitcoin server starting
 547 2014-04-20 11:53:23 <gpmnlxdw> : Error initializing wallet database environment
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 549 2014-04-20 11:53:32 <sipa> gpmnlxdw: look in db.log
 550 2014-04-20 11:53:36 <gpmnlxdw> ok
 551 2014-04-20 11:53:51 <gpmnlxdw> DB_ENV->log_set_config: direct I/O either not configured or not supported
 552 2014-04-20 11:53:51 <gpmnlxdw> illegal flag specified to DB_ENV->open
 553 2014-04-20 11:53:52 <sipa> airbreather: by default, it doesn't function as a full node, and i heard they're even planning to remove support for it
 554 2014-04-20 11:53:54 <gpmnlxdw> just initial
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 556 2014-04-20 11:54:07 <gpmnlxdw> in the total new server
 557 2014-04-20 11:54:13 <gpmnlxdw> does it matter?
 558 2014-04-20 11:54:40 <sipa> gpmnlxdw: what device/disk/partition/filesystem are you putting the wallet db env on?
 559 2014-04-20 11:54:52 <airbreather> sipa: meant to say "needed to"; when it started, there weren't the fancy SPV-friendly network messages, right?
 560 2014-04-20 11:55:06 <gpmnlxdw> DB_ENV->log_set_config: direct I/O either not configured or not supported
 561 2014-04-20 11:55:06 <gpmnlxdw> illegal flag specified to DB_ENV->open
 562 2014-04-20 11:55:12 <sipa> gpmnlxdw: i can read
 563 2014-04-20 11:55:20 <gpmnlxdw> :)
 564 2014-04-20 11:55:23 <sipa> airbreather: even then, it was just SPV
 565 2014-04-20 11:55:32 <sipa> airbreather: partial full node support came only later
 566 2014-04-20 11:55:34 <airbreather> right, thus the "at least pretend" bit
 567 2014-04-20 11:55:41 <sipa> no, it never had to pretend anything
 568 2014-04-20 11:55:55 <gpmnlxdw> /dev/vzfs on / type reiserfs (rw,usrquota,grpquota)
 569 2014-04-20 11:56:17 <gpmnlxdw> and I can access the dir without problem
 570 2014-04-20 11:56:38 <sipa> did you compile bdb yourself?
 571 2014-04-20 11:56:42 <gpmnlxdw> yes
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 573 2014-04-20 11:57:16 <sipa> you probably need to compile with --enable-o_direct then
 574 2014-04-20 11:58:10 <gpmnlxdw> oooo, I try it now
 575 2014-04-20 11:58:51 <sipa> if that doesn't work, i guess it's not compatible with the filesystem or device it's on
 576 2014-04-20 11:59:24 <gpmnlxdw> filesys should be ok, I suppose;
 577 2014-04-20 11:59:50 <gpmnlxdw> configure file is copied from 0.8.9
 578 2014-04-20 11:59:59 <gpmnlxdw> now the source is 0.9.1
 579 2014-04-20 12:00:05 <gpmnlxdw> matter?
 580 2014-04-20 12:00:40 <sipa> 0.8.9 does not exist
 581 2014-04-20 12:00:58 <sipa> and i'm talking about bdb's compilation, not bitcoin's
 582 2014-04-20 12:02:20 <gpmnlxdw> so you think the problem should caused by wrong bdb version ?
 583 2014-04-20 12:02:43 <sipa> no
 584 2014-04-20 12:02:49 <gpmnlxdw> @_@
 585 2014-04-20 12:03:08 <sipa> i'm saying it's because either you compiled bdb without direct io support, or the device you're running it on does not support that
 586 2014-04-20 12:03:32 <gpmnlxdw> ok, I got you suggestion
 587 2014-04-20 12:03:39 <jaakkos> you could use strace to see if it tries to open something with O_DIRECT
 588 2014-04-20 12:03:40 <gpmnlxdw> I'll recompile bdb
 589 2014-04-20 12:04:07 <gpmnlxdw> not familiar with strace, :)
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 591 2014-04-20 12:04:17 <gpmnlxdw> let me try the easy way first
 592 2014-04-20 12:04:23 <gpmnlxdw> ^_^
 593 2014-04-20 12:04:32 <jaakkos> strace just prints out system calls the process makes
 594 2014-04-20 12:04:35 <sipa> also, do you need a wallet?
 595 2014-04-20 12:04:42 <splitting> anyone familiar with working with python-bitcoinrpc?
 596 2014-04-20 12:04:43 <gpmnlxdw> no
 597 2014-04-20 12:04:50 <gpmnlxdw> just a daemon,
 598 2014-04-20 12:04:51 <sipa> then build bitcoind with --disable-wallet
 599 2014-04-20 12:05:02 <sipa> the daemon can have support for wallets or not
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 601 2014-04-20 12:05:08 <sipa> what rpc calls will you do?
 602 2014-04-20 12:05:26 <gpmnlxdw> json rpc, wrapped in go
 603 2014-04-20 12:05:34 <sipa> that's not an answer to my question
 604 2014-04-20 12:05:42 <splitting> yeah some calls need the wallet
 605 2014-04-20 12:05:45 <splitting> like getbalance
 606 2014-04-20 12:06:00 <sipa> ok
 607 2014-04-20 12:06:02 <gpmnlxdw> oooo, I'd better keep wallet
 608 2014-04-20 12:06:06 <gpmnlxdw> try bdb first
 609 2014-04-20 12:06:15 <sipa> yes, if you need any wallet rpcs, you need a wallet :)
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 613 2014-04-20 12:09:02 <gpmnlxdw> so, will o_direct switch corrupt file?
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 615 2014-04-20 12:09:31 <sipa> no?
 616 2014-04-20 12:09:51 <gpmnlxdw> or just make the possiblity got a little higher?
 617 2014-04-20 12:09:55 <sipa> no
 618 2014-04-20 12:10:06 <sipa> it just bypasses the kernel caching
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 622 2014-04-20 12:12:23 <gpmnlxdw> a little curious； why bitcoin need o_direct?
 623 2014-04-20 12:13:36 <sipa> it doesn't
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 637 2014-04-20 12:25:37 <xdotcomm_> how many transactions can block notify handle like if I get 100 transactions per second ... it seems like it chockes out
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 641 2014-04-20 12:27:28 <sipa> xdotcomm_: bitcoin can't handle more than 7 transactions per second overall
 642 2014-04-20 12:27:50 <Luke-Jr> xdotcomm_: blocknotify runs for blocks, not transactions..
 643 2014-04-20 12:27:54 <sipa> also, blocknotify is caller per block, not per transaction
 644 2014-04-20 12:27:54 <xdotcomm_> sipa: I am talking about memory pool walletnotify
 645 2014-04-20 12:28:09 <xdotcomm_> sorry been up for a while... I meant walletnotify
 646 2014-04-20 12:28:44 <xdotcomm_> I gets called 2x once on memory pool visible transaction and another on 1 confirmation
 647 2014-04-20 12:29:03 <sipa> there still can't be more than 7 per second that get confirmed, so if you see spikes of 100s of transactions, they certainly won't last long
 648 2014-04-20 12:29:12 <sipa> but indeed, walletnotify isn't a very efficient mechanism
 649 2014-04-20 12:29:39 <sipa> you should probably consider a more dedicated wallet system if you need that
 650 2014-04-20 12:29:57 <xdotcomm_> sipa: yea it got bogged down.. and stopped firing walletnotify until restarted the daemon
 651 2014-04-20 12:30:52 <xdotcomm_> sipa: what do you mean by dedicated wallet system... as a backup I can use listtranasctions and see if there is anything missed by walletnotify
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 654 2014-04-20 12:31:14 <sipa> xdotcomm_: i mean not using bitcoind's wallet
 655 2014-04-20 12:31:22 <sipa> it's not very scalable
 656 2014-04-20 12:32:14 <xdotcomm_> sipa: writing a new wallet would be beyond my "pay grade"
 657 2014-04-20 12:32:40 <sipa> there are different wallet implementations, both free and commercial
 658 2014-04-20 12:32:42 <xdotcomm_> especially something as reliable and tested as bitcoind
 659 2014-04-20 12:32:54 <xdotcomm_> any suggestions?
 660 2014-04-20 12:33:02 <sipa> not really, i work on bitcoind :)
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 664 2014-04-20 12:34:27 <xdotcomm_> sipa: perfect since there is a whole community of altcoiners that need your work and I doupt any alternative wallets would work for altcoins :)
 665 2014-04-20 12:34:38 <gpmnlxdw> not work :(
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 668 2014-04-20 12:35:00 <gpmnlxdw> what's the preferred bdb version? is it 4.7.25?
 669 2014-04-20 12:35:07 <sipa> 4.8 or 5.1
 670 2014-04-20 12:35:35 <sipa> xdotcomm_: i don't work for altcoiners
 671 2014-04-20 12:35:43 <xdotcomm_> sipa: not directly :)
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 673 2014-04-20 12:35:56 <sipa> i wished it was not at all
 674 2014-04-20 12:36:13 <xdotcomm_> sipa: thats like wishing internet would only be in your house
 675 2014-04-20 12:36:15 <sipa> (well, apart from the few interesting ones)
 676 2014-04-20 12:36:22 <xdotcomm_> its unstopable now
 677 2014-04-20 12:36:27 <sipa> i doubt it
 678 2014-04-20 12:36:32 <xdotcomm_> marvelous
 679 2014-04-20 12:36:51 <sipa> of course, i won't stop anyone from using code in interesting or uninteresting ways
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 681 2014-04-20 12:37:50 <xdotcomm_> what i like is that there is some conformity in all this maddness so there is no need to learn new commands for every coin :)
 682 2014-04-20 12:38:18 <gpmnlxdw> rpm -qa | grep db4
 683 2014-04-20 12:38:18 <gpmnlxdw> db4-4.7.25-18.el6_4.x86_64
 684 2014-04-20 12:38:18 <gpmnlxdw> db4-utils-4.7.25-18.el6_4.x86_64
 685 2014-04-20 12:38:18 <gpmnlxdw> db4-devel-4.7.25-18.el6_4.x86_64
 686 2014-04-20 12:38:18 <gpmnlxdw> db4-cxx-4.7.25-18.el6_4.x86_64
 687 2014-04-20 12:38:33 <gpmnlxdw> hi sipa, is this db4 what I'm looking for?
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 689 2014-04-20 12:38:48 <sipa> gpmnlxdw: #bitcoin or #fedora or something; this is not a distro support channel
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 691 2014-04-20 12:39:18 <xdotcomm_> so i guess i would have to recompile bitcoind to change amount of confirmations needed for walletnotify to run and some other tweaks
 692 2014-04-20 12:39:26 <gpmnlxdw> ok ...
 693 2014-04-20 12:39:37 <sipa> walletnotify doesn't run on confirmations, it runs on "changed state"
 694 2014-04-20 12:39:44 <sipa> (and the first confirmation is a changed state)
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 699 2014-04-20 12:41:32 <xdotcomm_> I still wonder why it gets bogged down
 700 2014-04-20 12:41:44 <xdotcomm_> and stops doing walletnotify
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 785 2014-04-20 14:06:58 <gpmnlxdw> bitcoind
 786 2014-04-20 14:06:59 <gpmnlxdw> bitcoind: key.cpp:134: <unnamed>::CECKey::CECKey(): Assertion `pkey != __null' failed.
 787 2014-04-20 14:07:05 <gpmnlxdw> sorry to bother you guys again ....
 788 2014-04-20 14:07:10 <gpmnlxdw> anybody see this before?
 789 2014-04-20 14:07:21 <gpmnlxdw> then coredump
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 792 2014-04-20 14:10:24 <gpmnlxdw> so bad experience ..... >_< I'd like to try 0.9.0 ...... wish I can be a little luck than now ....
 793 2014-04-20 14:11:07 <splitting> ohhh
 794 2014-04-20 14:11:09 <splitting> hold on
 795 2014-04-20 14:11:11 <splitting> gpmnlxdw,
 796 2014-04-20 14:11:15 <splitting> what distro are you on?
 797 2014-04-20 14:11:24 <splitting> if its not windows
 798 2014-04-20 14:11:34 <gpmnlxdw> centos 6.5
 799 2014-04-20 14:11:41 <gpmnlxdw> I just update from 6.4 this noon
 800 2014-04-20 14:12:35 <gpmnlxdw> any suggestion?
 801 2014-04-20 14:12:41 <splitting> hmm
 802 2014-04-20 14:12:45 <splitting> i had the same issue on fedora
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 804 2014-04-20 14:12:55 <splitting> fedora's repos dont ship openssl with elliptical curve support
 805 2014-04-20 14:13:03 <splitting> which causes that error im pretty sure
 806 2014-04-20 14:13:07 <splitting> im not sure about centos though
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 810 2014-04-20 14:13:40 <gpmnlxdw> both of them are redhat's , maybe the same problem
 811 2014-04-20 14:13:48 <gpmnlxdw> how do you fix it?
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 813 2014-04-20 14:15:14 <gpmnlxdw> and I have update the openssl to the latest one for the recently known bug
 814 2014-04-20 14:15:17 <gpmnlxdw> do you?
 815 2014-04-20 14:15:37 <robonerd> try freebsd
 816 2014-04-20 14:15:41 <robonerd> it's great!
 817 2014-04-20 14:16:18 <gpmnlxdw> my suse is fine, but now my vps is installed with centos, dame it
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 819 2014-04-20 14:16:35 <robonerd> enjoy!
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 821 2014-04-20 14:17:37 <Starduster> try https://www.centos.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=44438 "litecoind: key.cpp:134: <unnamed>::CECKey::CECKey(): Assertion `pkey != __null' failed. "
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 823 2014-04-20 14:18:28 <gpmnlxdw> great, I know your guys are cute enough!!!!!  :D
 824 2014-04-20 14:18:34 <gpmnlxdw> ^_^
 825 2014-04-20 14:18:42 <uiop> heh
 826 2014-04-20 14:19:37 <uiop> gpmnlxdw: centos6 (==rhel6) ships with ecc support in openssl
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 828 2014-04-20 14:19:47 <uiop> gpmnlxdw: if you have centos*5*, i'm not sure
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 830 2014-04-20 14:22:14 <gpmnlxdw> centos 6.5
 831 2014-04-20 14:22:27 <uiop> umm, actually centos6 may *not* have it enabled..
 832 2014-04-20 14:22:58 <gpmnlxdw> how to fix it? In previous post, no useful clue
 833 2014-04-20 14:23:10 <uiop> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=319901
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 835 2014-04-20 14:23:21 <gpmnlxdw> en, I see it first
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 837 2014-04-20 14:24:12 <uiop> ah, here for fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1021898
 838 2014-04-20 14:24:20 <uiop> checking for centos6..
 839 2014-04-20 14:25:30 <uiop> aha, ok. centos6 *does* have ecc support
 840 2014-04-20 14:26:31 <uiop> [admin@everest ~]$ rpm -q openssl
 841 2014-04-20 14:26:31 <uiop> openssl-1.0.1e-16.el6_5.7.x86_64
 842 2014-04-20 14:26:44 <uiop> has the "openssl *ec*" commands
 843 2014-04-20 14:27:07 <splitting> does getbalance return the balance from the blockchain or wallet?
 844 2014-04-20 14:27:19 <uiop> gpmnlxdw: try "sudo yum update openssl" maybe to get the newest version (if you don't have it)
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 848 2014-04-20 14:27:55 <uiop> gpmnlxdw: if you *do* have at least the version above, then it's not openssl ecc support that's causing the problem (right?)
 849 2014-04-20 14:28:24 <gpmnlxdw> version should be ok, I have update all package to the latest
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 856 2014-04-20 14:29:53 <uiop> gpmnlxdw: i'm not familiar with the code enough to what can trigger that assertion, but someone does. also, it's easter so people may be away today
 857 2014-04-20 14:30:10 <uiop> *..enough to _know_ what...
 858 2014-04-20 14:30:59 <gpmnlxdw> I know, thank you all anyway
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 860 2014-04-20 14:31:50 <uiop> gpmnlxdw: if you're a programmer, you could clone the git repo and do "git grep 'pkey != __null'" (search for the assert() callsite with that argument)
 861 2014-04-20 14:32:50 <uiop> then walk backward in the control flow until you find the reason or give up :)
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 864 2014-04-20 14:34:39 <uiop> gpmnlxdw: (just a thought) could it be possible that bitcoind needs a password at startup time that you haven't given it (either on the command line or in a config file) ?
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 866 2014-04-20 14:35:20 <uiop> one could imagine that being a plausible scenario that triggers an assert that sounds like that one
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 869 2014-04-20 14:38:20 <gpmnlxdw> but the root cause maybe a little hard for me
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 895 2014-04-20 15:11:18 <gpmnlxdw> ystarnaud had fixed the problem, but do not address it in detail >_<
 896 2014-04-20 15:11:30 <gpmnlxdw> I got the post at here, http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2014/03/20
 897 2014-04-20 15:12:32 <gpmnlxdw> 03:48 	ystarnaud 	ok i finally found a solution... im running on centos 6.2 and because of some licensing bullcrap secp256k1 is not included on fedora/centos openssl
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 899 2014-04-20 15:13:06 <gpmnlxdw> must I recompile openssl in centos?
 900 2014-04-20 15:13:08 <gpmnlxdw> >_<
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 911 2014-04-20 15:27:22 <uiop> gpmnlxdw: http://sprunge.us/IaUN?lang=sh
 912 2014-04-20 15:27:39 <uiop> gpmnlxdw: (i was curious myself about ecc support in rhel/centos openssl)
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 917 2014-04-20 15:31:51 <uiop> gpmnlxdw: (this paste gives reason for that test .c file)
 918 2014-04-20 15:32:01 <uiop> gpmnlxdw: http://sprunge.us/iaZi?lang=sh
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 920 2014-04-20 15:35:53 <uiop> gpmnlxdw: this might help http://mikeminneman.com/2013/12/getting-dogecoind-to-run-on-centos/
 921 2014-04-20 15:36:01 * uiop </>
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 924 2014-04-20 15:36:43 <gpmnlxdw> wa ooooo, you are so nice ....
 925 2014-04-20 15:36:55 <gpmnlxdw> I will check the post right now
 926 2014-04-20 15:36:58 <gpmnlxdw> thank you so much!
 927 2014-04-20 15:37:09 <uiop> you're welcome
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 975 2014-04-20 16:32:37 <sipa> wumpus: i had no idea you put 'bit's in horse's mouths :)
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 977 2014-04-20 16:33:24 <sipa> wumpus: but wikipedia teaches me that bit also has that meaning in english
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 980 2014-04-20 16:46:27 <wumpus> sipa: hah, didn't know that 'bit' in that meaning was also used in english, that makes it even funnier
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 989 2014-04-20 16:59:13 <maaku> wumpus: it's the same word
 990 2014-04-20 16:59:23 <maaku> just the rise in information technology has dilluted older meanings...
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1013 2014-04-20 17:35:22 <gpmnlxdw> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85228.0 this instruction seems works
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1027 2014-04-20 17:56:01 <gpmnlxdw> Hi guys, it is because the openssl of centos do not support EC cipher, so the bitcoin will corrupt;
1028 2014-04-20 17:56:09 <gpmnlxdw> I got my bitcoind works
1029 2014-04-20 17:56:14 <gpmnlxdw> >_<
1030 2014-04-20 17:56:18 <gpmnlxdw> dame it!!!!
1031 2014-04-20 17:56:31 <gpmnlxdw> thank you all's suggestion!
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1051 2014-04-20 18:10:31 <melvster> did anyone ever notice that the block reward halving every 4 years sort of follows moore's law?
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1077 2014-04-20 18:33:21 <haqe17> is it possible for a bitcoin address to be a txin for 2 different transactions within the same block?
1078 2014-04-20 18:33:24 <haqe17> also: s/txin/txout/
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1080 2014-04-20 18:33:38 <sipa> yes
1081 2014-04-20 18:33:53 <sipa> addresses don't exist at the protocol level, though
1082 2014-04-20 18:34:48 <haqe17> meaning... at the protocol level there is only txouts?
1083 2014-04-20 18:35:15 <sipa> and txouts consist of amounts and a script
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1085 2014-04-20 18:35:43 <haqe17> ok
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1087 2014-04-20 18:36:38 <haqe17> so when you spend a txout, it is necessary to spend the entire amount of the txout?
1088 2014-04-20 18:38:15 <haqe17> you cant for example... spend only part of it and keep the same txout for use in another transaction
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1092 2014-04-20 18:46:22 <sipa> nope
1093 2014-04-20 18:46:28 <sipa> it's spent entirely
1094 2014-04-20 18:46:39 <sipa> for both technical and privacy reasons
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1102 2014-04-20 18:53:07 <haqe17> cool
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1165 2014-04-20 20:26:30 <davec> In regards to BIP0014, it is not clear to me which order each element of the stack should be added in (appended or prepended).
1166 2014-04-20 20:26:33 <davec> Browser user agents tend to prepend each newest stack element as the example in the BIP shows.
1167 2014-04-20 20:26:36 <davec> On the other hand the Bitcoin examples in the BIP appear to append each new stack element.
1168 2014-04-20 20:26:39 <davec> Which one is preferred?
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1200 2014-04-20 20:56:23 <bitmia> yo, any php lovers in here? :)
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1208 2014-04-20 21:01:24 <saizai> our comments on & summary of the FEC Bitcoin AO drafts are up. makeyourlaws.org/fec/bitcoin#drafts
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1220 2014-04-20 21:15:41 <splitting> question
1221 2014-04-20 21:15:57 <splitting> can you send coins that you have on the blockchain, but dont have synced to your wallet?
1222 2014-04-20 21:16:17 <splitting> so lets say i reset the data directory
1223 2014-04-20 21:16:36 <splitting> and restore the wallet backup, will i be able to spend the coins instantly or will i have to wait for the blockchain to download?
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1225 2014-04-20 21:17:39 <sipa> bitcoin core's wallet implementation allows spending without confirmations only for coins you have sent to yourself (so change or explicit sends to an address of your own)
1226 2014-04-20 21:18:03 <sipa> 0.9 may be even strixter and not allow sending at all until it can verify that the coins are actually spendable
1227 2014-04-20 21:18:35 <sipa> so no, the reference client implements a full node and is not really intended to be used without synchronizing
1228 2014-04-20 21:18:47 <sipa> of course, with the raw transaction api you can do anything
1229 2014-04-20 21:18:59 <splitting> yeah i was about to ask that
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1339 2014-04-20 23:43:57 <ProfMac> I want funding for a project.  I have a draft approved Kickstarter description ready to read.  I want to see if there is any bitcoin interest before I launch.  What is a good place to discuss & publicise this?
1340 2014-04-20 23:45:33 <jakov> everywhere
1341 2014-04-20 23:45:47 <jakov> make a website, send press releases to coindesk and other bitcoin newspapers, post on bitcointalk and /r/bitcoin
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1343 2014-04-20 23:46:13 <jakov> but please please do stuff that convinces people you're not just another neoandbee
1344 2014-04-20 23:47:15 <gmaxwell> but not here please.
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