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 224 2014-04-30 03:40:33 <iwilcox> I guess what it boils down to is: should I bother making a throttled-upload-over-ADSL node listen at all, given the suggestions of dearth of full nodes lately?
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 285 2014-04-30 04:40:23 <sipa> ncsupanda: a coinbase can have multiple outputs
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 291 2014-04-30 04:41:57 <Luke-Jr> edit?
 292 2014-04-30 04:42:21 <ncsupanda> Not edit, sorry; how to actually add onto the coinbase
 293 2014-04-30 04:42:57 <Luke-Jr> you just create it how you want it initially..
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 295 2014-04-30 04:44:01 <ncsupanda> So if I want a transaction to have two outputs, I can just create (for example, with litecoin) another entry for tx.NewVout?
 296 2014-04-30 04:44:47 <Luke-Jr> ncsupanda: this is #bitcoin-dev, not #litecoin-dev
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 299 2014-04-30 04:46:18 <Luke-Jr> ncsupanda: for generation, there is a specific protocol used to control outputs; <number of outputs>\n<amount 1>\n<address 1>\n<…>
 300 2014-04-30 04:46:37 <Luke-Jr> I have no idea what code "tx.NewVout" would be part of
 301 2014-04-30 04:47:56 <ncsupanda> I believe it's the same idea. Sorry for questions that seem off-topic, I'm just trying to get a more firm grasp on both coins, not just one
 302 2014-04-30 04:48:45 <Luke-Jr> this channel is just about one.
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 358 2014-04-30 06:08:37 <wumpus> I'm fine with splitting off the 0.9.2 branch already if there is a good reason
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 360 2014-04-30 06:09:22 <wumpus> ie, if it would help future development along a lot
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 372 2014-04-30 06:24:43 <wumpus> it does mean extra work for me; to merge/cherry-pick some changes into two branches, and to make sure the translations are the same on both branches
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 374 2014-04-30 06:25:57 <warren> is there anything in paritcular ou want to merge that isn't suitable for 0.9.2?
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 376 2014-04-30 06:27:23 <wumpus> not me, but a few people were talking about it while I was sleeping
 377 2014-04-30 06:27:38 <wumpus> just read back...
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 380 2014-04-30 06:30:21 <warren> ripping out openssl is too radical for 0.9.2? =P
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 383 2014-04-30 06:32:40 <wumpus> warren: seems we're having issues tiwh transifex
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 385 2014-04-30 06:32:48 <warren> oh?
 386 2014-04-30 06:33:06 <wumpus> warren: I did a tx pull -a yesterday and didn't get all changes, diapolo did another one and got a different (more complete) set of changes
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 390 2014-04-30 06:33:40 <warren> yeah ... tx pull behavior is confusing to me
 391 2014-04-30 06:34:20 <wumpus> warren: anything that potentially changes consensus is too radical for 0.9.2
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 394 2014-04-30 06:34:26 <warren> wumpus: I was joking
 395 2014-04-30 06:34:30 <wumpus> okay :)
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 398 2014-04-30 06:34:47 <warren> the translation commit was yours or diapolo's?
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 400 2014-04-30 06:35:12 <wumpus> I made a commit yesterday, then diapolo submitted this pull later: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4105
 401 2014-04-30 06:35:26 <wumpus> 22 files changed in there, no way that translators made so many changes in the meantime :P
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 403 2014-04-30 06:36:22 <wumpus> when I ran tx pull -a it skipped those; I don't know what rule it uses to determine whether to skip updating a translation
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 405 2014-04-30 06:37:50 <warren> wouldn't -f have the same result (no diff) if there's no changes?
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 408 2014-04-30 06:38:02 <warren> I agree -a behaves weird for me in another project
 409 2014-04-30 06:39:11 <wumpus> well, not really, it's pretty annoying but the .ts files contain line numbers of the messages... so a small change in a source file will cause line number updates *in all the translations*
 410 2014-04-30 06:39:47 <warren> isn't that desired?
 411 2014-04-30 06:40:11 <wumpus> no, it's not, it's noise
 412 2014-04-30 06:40:19 <wumpus> I really hate it
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 415 2014-04-30 06:40:40 <wumpus> ideally I'd like to just see the messages that changed in a diff
 416 2014-04-30 06:40:53 <wumpus> btw another issue:  ko_KR contains control characters, that cannot be parsed by Qt's translation tools
 417 2014-04-30 06:41:15 <warren> isn't Diapolo on windows?
 418 2014-04-30 06:41:26 <wumpus> last time I manually removed them before committing, but they come back every time
 419 2014-04-30 06:41:41 <warren> perhaps tx pull uses some file attributes to determine the freshness of local files and it always fails on windows?
 420 2014-04-30 06:42:10 <warren> btw, can you share your .tx/config ?
 421 2014-04-30 06:42:22 <wumpus> I should probably remove them on transifex itself, however, it's not nice that it can generate invalid files in the first place
 422 2014-04-30 06:42:48 <wumpus> hey I just thought of something: I can remove the line numbers from the non-English TS files
 423 2014-04-30 06:42:48 <warren> I'd like to see the invalid control character, also did you file a bug with transifex?
 424 2014-04-30 06:43:09 <wumpus> they're only used to aid translators, so only make sense in the original file
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 427 2014-04-30 06:43:49 <warren> so you would have a post-processing script to delete them before commit?
 428 2014-04-30 06:44:00 <wumpus> yep
 429 2014-04-30 06:44:08 <wumpus> I need that anyway to strip the control characters out
 430 2014-04-30 06:44:27 <warren> I want to see the control character, and I'll file a bug
 431 2014-04-30 06:44:27 <wumpus> and it would automatically call tx with the right argument (prolly -f)
 432 2014-04-30 06:44:51 <warren> what is your .tx/config ?
 433 2014-04-30 06:45:07 <wumpus> warren: http://www.hastebin.com/gugayimeta.ini
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 436 2014-04-30 06:45:39 <warren> would be no harm to commit this to the source repo
 437 2014-04-30 06:45:52 <warren> oh ... except windows wants backslashes
 438 2014-04-30 06:45:57 <warren> tx should really handle that transparetly
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 443 2014-04-30 06:48:51 <wumpus> warren: this is the file with control characters: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Diapolo/bitcoin/translations/src/qt/locale/bitcoin_ko_KR.ts
 444 2014-04-30 06:49:03 <wumpus> if you put it in the src/qt/locale and build, qt will croak
 445 2014-04-30 06:49:28 <warren> which one is hte control character?
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 447 2014-04-30 06:50:01 <wumpus> don't know by heart, you can find it yourself with the above step
 448 2014-04-30 06:50:30 <wumpus> I suppose: all characters < 32 would be invalid to have in the file
 449 2014-04-30 06:50:44 <wumpus> if you really need them, escape them as xml entities
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 451 2014-04-30 06:51:07 <wumpus> but I don't think even Korean needs them :)
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 453 2014-04-30 06:51:31 <warren> -        <translation>허용되지 않는다</translation>
 454 2014-04-30 06:51:31 <warren> +        <translation>허용되지 않는다^\</translation>
 455 2014-04-30 06:51:35 <warren> there?
 456 2014-04-30 06:51:46 <wumpus> yes, that's one, there are a lot
 457 2014-04-30 06:51:57 <warren> looks like the Won symbol
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 459 2014-04-30 06:52:20 <wumpus> the Won symbol is ^\?!
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 461 2014-04-30 06:52:34 <warren> well, that's how IRC converted it
 462 2014-04-30 06:52:48 <warren> i'm looking at it
 463 2014-04-30 06:52:51 <wumpus> ASCII 28
 464 2014-04-30 06:53:20 <wumpus> FS (file separator)
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 467 2014-04-30 06:53:56 <warren>          <source>not accepted</source>
 468 2014-04-30 06:54:09 <warren> the string in transifex doesn't even match this
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 474 2014-04-30 06:54:53 <warren> oh it does, just different font
 475 2014-04-30 06:55:19 <warren> I'll report this as a bug
 476 2014-04-30 06:55:29 <warren> bbl
 477 2014-04-30 06:55:35 <wumpus> well google translate makes "not allowed" of it, seems close enough, so the translation seems valid
 478 2014-04-30 06:55:37 <wumpus> okay thanks!
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 503 2014-04-30 07:19:32 <warren> wumpus: can we check in the .tx/config ?
 504 2014-04-30 07:19:42 <warren> wumpus: it will make it easier for them to reproduce it
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 506 2014-04-30 07:20:05 <wumpus> I don't like checking in dotfiles; I think I'm going to make the checkout script generate that file
 507 2014-04-30 07:20:17 <wumpus> (if it doesn't exist)
 508 2014-04-30 07:20:34 <warren> well .gitignore ...
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 519 2014-04-30 07:31:54 <wumpus> ok, good point
 520 2014-04-30 07:31:58 <wumpus> I'm going to add it
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 524 2014-04-30 07:35:53 <Naphex> anybody have anything against using DNS to do Name2Address resolve?
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 530 2014-04-30 07:42:55 <wumpus> Naphex: normal bitcoin addresses are not suited for that, as there are privacy issues with re-using them; there was some work on 'stealth addresses' that allow privacy while still having a stable identifier
 531 2014-04-30 07:44:20 <Naphex> well people whould want the privacy can just issue xpub or stealth addresses
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 534 2014-04-30 07:45:15 <wumpus> everyone wants and needs privacy
 535 2014-04-30 07:45:49 <jcorgan> also, reusing addresses reduces the privacy of others you deal with
 536 2014-04-30 07:46:23 <wumpus> right, by giving out a public address you're screwing the privacy of those that want to send you money
 537 2014-04-30 07:47:40 <Naphex> i have a working example set up
 538 2014-04-30 07:47:52 <Naphex>  $ host -t txt naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro
 539 2014-04-30 07:47:52 <Naphex> naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro descriptive text "v:btc1 addr:12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu signature:IGnKD8UQ5/AaWadgGc3aIQ5q9EmgxuF+Vw+F4SSYkB9R+TAVzvnDq+fTZql08JEWrRLlTCReF3lTQAtea66zv5A="
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 541 2014-04-30 07:48:35 <Naphex> signature is bitcoin signature, containing domain and dnsserver pub ksk key
 542 2014-04-30 07:49:06 <Naphex> so if clients support it, might as well resolve to a steath address
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 547 2014-04-30 07:52:55 <wumpus> sounds useful in some cases
 548 2014-04-30 07:53:00 <jcorgan> yeah, a stable stealth address would be a good thing for this
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 550 2014-04-30 07:53:31 <wumpus> for example, you could donate directory to a domain (given that DNS is really secure...)
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 552 2014-04-30 07:54:05 <Naphex> wumpus: the zone is signed
 553 2014-04-30 07:54:07 <wumpus> send coins to: wikileaks.org ...
 554 2014-04-30 07:54:22 <wumpus> but without stealth addresses it's a disaster waiting to happen
 555 2014-04-30 07:54:23 <Naphex> while the address signature contains the dnskey for the dnsserver associated
 556 2014-04-30 07:55:28 <wumpus> the advantage being that it would be somewhat easier to set up than a script that deals out bitcoin URIs/payment requests
 557 2014-04-30 07:55:40 <Naphex> $ host -t dnskey addresses.btcxchange.ro                                                                                                                                                                     addresses.btcxchange.ro has DNSKEY record 257 3 13 hTj/xt+OErAHwCrCY7LKmkO9HhS4RG9c4yW2gowo8I2dwCGRkpbLE1b6 BJrA+4TGJcbdKfFWoT7dpK/zJPzgIg==
 558 2014-04-30 07:57:14 <Naphex> this is the message that the txt signature - signs
 559 2014-04-30 07:57:15 <Naphex> naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro 257 3 13 hTj/xt+OErAHwCrCY7LKmkO9HhS4RG9c4yW2gowo8I2dwCGRkpbLE1b6
 560 2014-04-30 07:57:35 <Naphex> so yeah advantages would be you could for example just send to a domain
 561 2014-04-30 07:57:43 <Naphex> and services can host domain for its users
 562 2014-04-30 07:58:08 <Naphex> addr: could be whatever client supports, Stealth Addresses, Static ones
 563 2014-04-30 07:58:26 <Naphex> dns software can just roll it and change it as long as it signgs the zone
 564 2014-04-30 07:59:28 <Naphex> or round robin from a batch
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 783 2014-04-30 12:41:03 <venzen> yay! \o/
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 798 2014-04-30 12:55:28 <jgarzik> GAit, hallo
 799 2014-04-30 12:56:08 <GAit> jgarzik: hello, it's about bitpay, can i PM?
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 803 2014-04-30 13:00:16 <jgarzik> GAit, Yes you may PM.  But FWIW, most stuff is support@bitpay.com material...
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 805 2014-04-30 13:03:36 <GAit> if someone gets hold of the links they can see things about companies that may have privacy consequences
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 838 2014-04-30 13:38:01 <phedny> my testnet bitcoind reports getblockcount 224679 with hash 000000000001bf838a2364dd6598d0b3331f87416024f1c321cc59e153d8e01d, however it seems that that is an abandoned chain since April 15
 839 2014-04-30 13:38:05 <phedny> how can I force bitcoind to pickup the correct chain again?
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 843 2014-04-30 13:41:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|phedny: are you on 0.9?
 844 2014-04-30 13:42:18 <phedny>     "version" : 99900,
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 848 2014-04-30 13:43:34 <sipa> phedny: does debug.log have any indication of it attempting to switch chains, and failing?
 849 2014-04-30 13:44:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Could you pastebin a `grep -i invalid` of your debug.log?
 850 2014-04-30 13:45:00 <phedny> michagogo|cloud: no lines with invalid; I must add that I restarted the daemon a couple of minutes ago as a first try to fix it
 851 2014-04-30 13:46:25 <phedny> sipa: once in a while I see messages like: 2014-04-30 13:30:32 ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 0, prev=000000001b62c97effb53e99bbedda21badaf005aa45f24cda791abd55f99b99
 852 2014-04-30 13:46:42 <phedny> which seem to be valid blocks according to blockexplorer.com/testnet
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 855 2014-04-30 13:49:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What's the latest block you have?
 856 2014-04-30 13:50:07 <phedny> to me it is 000000000001bf838a2364dd6598d0b3331f87416024f1c321cc59e153d8e01d at height 224679
 857 2014-04-30 13:50:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Try grepping for the block hash after your latest one
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 859 2014-04-30 13:51:03 <phedny> that block hash is not found in debug.log
 860 2014-04-30 13:51:19 <sipa> any InvalidBlock messaages?
 861 2014-04-30 13:51:24 <phedny> no
 862 2014-04-30 13:51:39 <sipa> how long has the node been running?
 863 2014-04-30 13:52:18 <phedny> it had been running quite some time, don't know when I started it; but now it running just about half an hour because I restarted it
 864 2014-04-30 13:52:44 <phedny> could be that it's running since Mar 19, that is when I started the mainnet bitcoind
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 867 2014-04-30 13:53:40 <phedny> by the way, it seems that coinplorer.com is stuck on the same chain https://coinplorer.com/BTCT
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 871 2014-04-30 13:57:08 <phedny> I can probably make a script to find out at what point the chain forked by checking when blockexplorer.com gives me a 200; is it possible to discard blocks from the history so it starts up at that point?
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 873 2014-04-30 14:00:59 <helo> you could perhaps dump the majority of your blk*.dat files into a bootstrap.dat, just ensuring that the fork point isn't included
 874 2014-04-30 14:01:17 <helo> not sure how you would ensure that, though
 875 2014-04-30 14:01:23 <sipa> phedny: can you send me the full debug.log since your last restart?
 876 2014-04-30 14:01:29 <sipa> or upload it somewhere
 877 2014-04-30 14:01:53 <helo> on the other hand, you could just dump all of your blk*.dat files into a bootstrap.dat, and see if it gets stuck again
 878 2014-04-30 14:02:16 <sipa> phedny: or maybe, restart, and run with -debug, and wait half an hour
 879 2014-04-30 14:02:38 <phedny> sipa: well, your first request is at http://pastebin.com/JB80xr9v
 880 2014-04-30 14:03:02 <helo> the bootstrap.dat would include the blocks in the order that his node saw them to get stuck, wouldn't it?
 881 2014-04-30 14:03:02 <phedny> restart around line 5536 though
 882 2014-04-30 14:03:06 <phedny> 5336 *
 883 2014-04-30 14:03:12 <sipa> phedny: that's not the whole run
 884 2014-04-30 14:03:25 <phedny> that's the complete file as it is on disk
 885 2014-04-30 14:03:25 <sipa> i want to see the beginning
 886 2014-04-30 14:03:36 <sipa> yeah, the log gets truncated
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 888 2014-04-30 14:06:00 <phedny> let's restart with -debug than
 889 2014-04-30 14:10:13 <phedny> with -debug, latest block from inventory it prints is 0000000000023acb449362f6548d0fbfee168c9143857d09918eca749c328265
 890 2014-04-30 14:10:23 <phedny> it is both on blockexplorer.com and in my db
 891 2014-04-30 14:10:36 <phedny> but rpc gives no nextblockhash, while blockexplorer does
 892 2014-04-30 14:11:06 <phedny> also, rpc returns "confirmations" : -1,
 893 2014-04-30 14:12:18 <sipa> wait until a new block is announced on testnet
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 898 2014-04-30 14:21:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Which, if it doesn't happen by then, will be shortly after I get home in a few mins
 899 2014-04-30 14:22:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(I'll get out my block erupter and mine a diff 1)
 900 2014-04-30 14:23:52 <phedny> ah, let's see
 901 2014-04-30 14:24:16 <survic> phedny: new best #227310
 902 2014-04-30 14:26:29 <phedny> http://pastebin.com/wabTLe3z
 903 2014-04-30 14:26:45 <phedny> I'm still on the defunct #224679
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 906 2014-04-30 14:27:47 <sipa> phedny: i see the problem
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 908 2014-04-30 14:27:53 <sipa> and it's a bug in bitcoind
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 914 2014-04-30 14:31:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What's testnet diff like these days?
 915 2014-04-30 14:32:07 <phedny>     "difficulty" : 16384.00000000,
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 917 2014-04-30 14:32:30 <phedny> well, that is what my bitcoind reports, don't know if it is correct since it's off fromthe best chain
 918 2014-04-30 14:33:06 <survic> michagogo|cloud: around 41k presently.
 919 2014-04-30 14:33:08 <sipa> phedny: so the situation is that you have the 500 blocks in the main chain following the fork
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 921 2014-04-30 14:33:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|;;gentime 330 41000
 922 2014-04-30 14:33:27 <gribble> The average time to generate a block at 330.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 41000.0, is 6 days, 4 hours, 13 minutes, and 45 seconds
 923 2014-04-30 14:33:57 <sipa> phedny: but for some reason, they were no switched to when they were first received (presumably because another fork existed, longer than 500 blocks?)
 924 2014-04-30 14:34:34 <sipa> phedny: now, when a new block is announced, bitcoin sees it as an orphan, and asks the peer it comes from for its list of headers between the known active best chain, and that orphan
 925 2014-04-30 14:34:43 <sipa> phedny: at which point the peer replies with the first 500 such blocks
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 927 2014-04-30 14:34:52 <sipa> phedny: each of which we already have, so nothing happens
 928 2014-04-30 14:35:30 <survic> helo: in the capacity people use it presently, it's just a private key protected with a password. people seem to have sufficient faith in it to post their private keys on public forums when using it. I don't know if this is misplaced or not.
 929 2014-04-30 14:35:39 <survic> wrong window, sorry.
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 932 2014-04-30 14:36:37 <phedny> sipa: so that means somehow I got onto a fork that existed for more than 500 blocks and is now abandoned
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 936 2014-04-30 14:41:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|phedny: try this: getblockhash 224147
 937 2014-04-30 14:41:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Does it match http://paste.ubuntu.com/7366697/ v
 938 2014-04-30 14:41:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|s/v/?/
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 940 2014-04-30 14:42:05 <phedny> no, it's more like 000000000000ede99f6b8a10c4af5c2b3ef16c2f08c15b80ac3442316eb7fe18
 941 2014-04-30 14:42:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What happens if you try getblock on that hash?
 942 2014-04-30 14:42:47 <phedny> error: {"code":-5,"message":"Block not found"}
 943 2014-04-30 14:43:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And does getblockhash 224146 return 0...23acb449... ?
 944 2014-04-30 14:43:46 <phedny> no
 945 2014-04-30 14:43:54 <phedny> 000000004dad2d0973eca40ed4e5ad35652635da3f82d75118f881cb550f69d1
 946 2014-04-30 14:43:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hm.
 947 2014-04-30 14:45:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Does 220000 return 0000...315a72a7ddd...?
 948 2014-04-30 14:45:27 <phedny> yes
 949 2014-04-30 14:45:40 <phedny> and 221000 returns ...2bf04..
 950 2014-04-30 14:45:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|222000?
 951 2014-04-30 14:46:01 <phedny> ...ad490..
 952 2014-04-30 14:46:12 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|223000?
 953 2014-04-30 14:46:20 <phedny> 00000000000f38d2e720ff4fb87bd3d12168c35bad5882592bacef8fb49f0ff4
 954 2014-04-30 14:46:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|224000?
 955 2014-04-30 14:46:37 <phedny> 00000000f14d1df5a673727eee687b01f216beb034f0b7915658f122bc632800
 956 2014-04-30 14:46:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|224100?
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 958 2014-04-30 14:47:04 <phedny> hmm, going slower? :)
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 960 2014-04-30 14:47:12 <phedny> ...2b03c
 961 2014-04-30 14:47:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|224200?
 962 2014-04-30 14:47:37 <phedny> ...33347b
 963 2014-04-30 14:47:54 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh, wait
 964 2014-04-30 14:48:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|224146 was already mismatched
 965 2014-04-30 14:48:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|224070?
 966 2014-04-30 14:48:36 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Er, no
 967 2014-04-30 14:48:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|224120
 968 2014-04-30 14:48:52 <phedny> ..366ceae
 969 2014-04-30 14:48:59 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|224130
 970 2014-04-30 14:49:07 <phedny> ..bca8fd
 971 2014-04-30 14:49:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|224140
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 973 2014-04-30 14:49:26 <phedny> ..12370a
 974 2014-04-30 14:49:27 <phedny> no
 975 2014-04-30 14:49:32 <phedny> .. 1370a
 976 2014-04-30 14:49:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hm. I have ...129130...
 977 2014-04-30 14:49:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|224135?
 978 2014-04-30 14:49:55 <phedny> (123 is in my phone number, it's on auto-type in my fingers)
 979 2014-04-30 14:50:08 <phedny> ..14bd4b
 980 2014-04-30 14:50:18 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|224132?
 981 2014-04-30 14:50:30 <phedny> ..c8397f
 982 2014-04-30 14:50:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|224133 and 224134?
 983 2014-04-30 14:51:07 <phedny> mark@cosmos:~/mip$ bitcoin/src/bitcoind -testnet getblockhash 224133
 984 2014-04-30 14:51:07 <phedny> 000000000001ec136896f4d0b554e991394973ee6e070a21b44b809a4bea1d0a
 985 2014-04-30 14:51:07 <phedny> mark@cosmos:~/mip$ bitcoin/src/bitcoind -testnet getblockhash 224134
 986 2014-04-30 14:51:07 <phedny> 000000000002ae8c5405599ebac59a411db7ef556bfeff260c1e6f4de197ecdf
 987 2014-04-30 14:51:17 <jouke> I remember some days (weeks) ago someone with a lot of hashing power succeeded to mine a shitload of blocks on testnet.
 988 2014-04-30 14:51:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|224133 is first mismatch
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 991 2014-04-30 14:51:52 <phedny> jouke: probably April 15
 992 2014-04-30 14:51:58 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hm. I wonder...
 993 2014-04-30 14:52:15 <jouke> He talked about it in this channel.
 994 2014-04-30 14:52:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What happens if you submitblock this: paste.ubuntu.com/7366765/
 995 2014-04-30 14:53:05 <phedny> rejected
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 997 2014-04-30 14:53:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Anything in the log?
 998 2014-04-30 14:54:06 <phedny> 2014-04-30 14:52:01 ThreadRPCServer method=submitblock
 999 2014-04-30 14:54:06 <phedny> 2014-04-30 14:52:01 ERROR: ProcessBlock() : already have block 224133 000000002f
1000 2014-04-30 14:54:09 <phedny> 92e10568c69f7fb5e177cec81c1ce736b08a916cb60089a98fda12
1001 2014-04-30 14:54:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh
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1004 2014-04-30 14:54:29 <phedny> sipa told me I probably have 500 more blocks on the good branch
1005 2014-04-30 14:54:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Actually, the log you pastebinned mentioned having 224146
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1007 2014-04-30 14:55:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Can you grep your log for aad6237b76533 ?
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1009 2014-04-30 14:55:50 <phedny> it's not in there
1010 2014-04-30 14:56:06 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Try submitting Ubuntu paste 7366791
1011 2014-04-30 14:56:14 <jouke> So a miner submitted a couple of hundreds of blocks at once, creating the longest chain, but somehow the mayority of the miningpower didn't switch to the longest chain?
1012 2014-04-30 14:56:25 <jouke> And phedny did?
1013 2014-04-30 14:56:52 <phedny> jouke: could be; but apparently also https://coinplorer.com/BTCT did
1014 2014-04-30 14:56:56 <sipa> so first of all, was there a >500 long reorg?
1015 2014-04-30 14:56:57 <phedny> they're stuck on the same place
1016 2014-04-30 14:57:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|phedny: did it take that?
1017 2014-04-30 14:57:26 <phedny> michagogo|cloud: it appears so; I got no output
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1019 2014-04-30 14:57:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Check the log?
1020 2014-04-30 14:57:41 <sipa> phedny: how far is your current tip ahead of the fork point?
1021 2014-04-30 14:57:52 <phedny> 2014-04-30 14:55:23 ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED
1022 2014-04-30 14:58:01 <jouke> phedny: We didn't have internet at the new office, so my testnet node wasn't running
1023 2014-04-30 14:58:08 <survic> http://test.insight.is/ this block explorer seems to have the same chain phedny is stuck on
1024 2014-04-30 14:58:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|phedny: just 1?
1025 2014-04-30 14:58:28 <phedny> sipa:  224133 is first mismatch; my blockcount is 224679
1026 2014-04-30 14:58:31 <survic> it's on the actual chain now, but it also has the orphaned blocks (marked "orphan")
1027 2014-04-30 14:58:45 <sipa> phedny: ok, confirmed
1028 2014-04-30 14:59:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|phedny: just one accept block?
1029 2014-04-30 14:59:20 <phedny> michagogo|cloud: in the log, yes
1030 2014-04-30 14:59:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|One sec, lemme do a quick script
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1045 2014-04-30 15:08:14 <jouke> Am I correct in thinking that the majority of hashing power did not switch to the longest testnet chain?
1046 2014-04-30 15:08:33 <jouke> causing the problem phedny has now?
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1048 2014-04-30 15:09:03 <survic> that doesn't sound right. any fork with the majority of the hashrate becomes the longest over time.
1049 2014-04-30 15:09:21 <sipa> survic: not if there is a bug that prevents switching to it
1050 2014-04-30 15:09:50 <sipa> well, by definition the majority would not be mining on it, if they don't switch to it of course
1051 2014-04-30 15:10:02 <survic> well, I was getting to that. sipa suggests there's a bug that stops reorganisations past 500 blocks, leaving the side chain orphaned with some people on it
1052 2014-04-30 15:10:04 <jouke> survic: I believe that only one massive miner caused the longest chain, submitted all blocks and then stopped mining.
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1054 2014-04-30 15:10:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|phedny: okay, try this
1055 2014-04-30 15:10:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Download and run phedny.michagogo.cadoth.net/blocks.sh
1056 2014-04-30 15:10:34 <survic> jouke: could be, but the client should be able to cope with any depth reorganisation. not being able to cope with in this case is a bug.
1057 2014-04-30 15:11:12 <phedny> michagogo|cloud: that would probably fix the situation for me, but I'm also currently building a patch by sipa that should be a proper fix, so I'll try that first
1058 2014-04-30 15:11:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|That should be submitblock commands for blocks 224148 to 224680
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1060 2014-04-30 15:11:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah, that's also good :-)
1061 2014-04-30 15:11:43 <survic> jouke: luckily to abuse this on the main network would need at least 500 blocks * 25BTC or around $5.5 million USD at risk.
1062 2014-04-30 15:11:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Actually
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1064 2014-04-30 15:12:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|phedny: it may be helpful if you stop the node and post your blocks/ dir before running with sipa's patch
1065 2014-04-30 15:12:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Maybe chainstate/ too
1066 2014-04-30 15:13:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|To allow others to easily replicate the situation if needed
1067 2014-04-30 15:13:14 <phedny> michagogo|cloud: actually I have made a backup of ~/.bitcoin/testnet3 folder for that case
1068 2014-04-30 15:14:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Wait a sec -- what's current block count? 227312?
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1070 2014-04-30 15:14:24 <jouke> But what caused the fork in the first place.
1071 2014-04-30 15:14:26 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|One node (on cadoth) has that
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1073 2014-04-30 15:14:27 <survic> michagogo|cloud: yes
1074 2014-04-30 15:14:38 <sipa> jouke: a fast hasher with a corrupted chainstate?
1075 2014-04-30 15:14:49 <sipa> or just an intentional large reorganization
1076 2014-04-30 15:15:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But BCGUI on my desktop says "processed 227312 of 298460 (estimated) blocks
1077 2014-04-30 15:15:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Where's that number coming from?
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1079 2014-04-30 15:15:40 <phedny> seems mainnet
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1082 2014-04-30 15:16:00 <ndak> how do i check my bitcoin address?
1083 2014-04-30 15:16:00 <survic> yeah, that's the mainnet height.
1084 2014-04-30 15:16:02 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Heh. How does that happen?
1085 2014-04-30 15:16:07 <ndak> what is the command?
1086 2014-04-30 15:16:15 <jouke> sipa: but why didn't all nodes switch to the longest chain?
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1088 2014-04-30 15:17:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Wtf? Am I connected to a mainnet node somehow?
1089 2014-04-30 15:17:11 <jouke> your bugfix fixes phednys problem, but not what caused it right? Or are you assuming that phedny and some blockexplorers were isolated from the rest of the network somehow?
1090 2014-04-30 15:17:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Getting spammed with "PROCESSMESSAGE: INVALID MESSAGESTART"
1091 2014-04-30 15:17:42 <survic> jouke: a bug, it's not intended.
1092 2014-04-30 15:18:04 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|jouke: I think the fork probably isn't the bug
1093 2014-04-30 15:18:13 <survic> michagogo|cloud: is one of your peers being stupid and giving you main chain information on testnet?
1094 2014-04-30 15:18:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I think the bug is just in 500+ reorgs being broken
1095 2014-04-30 15:18:52 <sipa> well, something had to cause the 500 deep reorg
1096 2014-04-30 15:19:06 <ndak> how do i know my default bitcoin address?
1097 2014-04-30 15:19:12 <sipa> ndak: no such thing
1098 2014-04-30 15:19:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I wish invalid messagestart included an address
1099 2014-04-30 15:19:48 <sipa> ndak: if you need to receive coins, create an address
1100 2014-04-30 15:19:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Brb, firing up wireshark
1101 2014-04-30 15:20:05 <survic> michagogo|cloud: getpeerinfo and look at the heights of your peers.
1102 2014-04-30 15:20:28 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah, one has -1
1103 2014-04-30 15:20:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Lemme try disconnecting it
1104 2014-04-30 15:20:52 <survic> michagogo|cloud: that's normalish. clients like Armory return -1.
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1107 2014-04-30 15:21:09 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh
1108 2014-04-30 15:21:13 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I'm an idiot
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1110 2014-04-30 15:22:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I have BlueMatt's relay node addnoded
1111 2014-04-30 15:22:40 <jouke> sipa, two massive reorgs at almost the same time?
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1113 2014-04-30 15:24:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Wait, killing the connection to it didn't stop it
1114 2014-04-30 15:24:43 <survic> michagogo|cloud: wireshark.
1115 2014-04-30 15:24:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I just killed all the connections to that process
1116 2014-04-30 15:25:21 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Idk what the invalid messagestart was, but here's the mainnet height thing solved:
1117 2014-04-30 15:25:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|2014-04-30 15:22:04 receive version message: /testnetnodescrawler:x.x/: version 70001, blocks=298461, us=93.172.57.37:18333, them=0.0.0.0:0, peer=46.4.99.45:44556
1118 2014-04-30 15:25:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|2014-04-30 15:22:07 receive version message: /testnetnodescrawler:x.x/: version 70001, blocks=227314, us=93.172.57.37:18333, them=0.0.0.0:0, peer=46.4.99.45:47610
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1123 2014-04-30 15:27:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|...and there go the messagestarts
1124 2014-04-30 15:27:10 <survic> wonder why it gives two different block heights.
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1128 2014-04-30 15:27:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Hm. Wireshark capturing on port 18333, nothing
1129 2014-04-30 15:27:58 <survic> just a hunch, but the messagestart thing could mean they're using mainnet magic bytes on testnet? I'm not even sure if the magic bytes are even used there, but it seems plausible.
1130 2014-04-30 15:28:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|survic: yes, I think that's what it os
1131 2014-04-30 15:28:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Is*
1132 2014-04-30 15:28:29 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Okay, I think it's the relay node thing
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1134 2014-04-30 15:28:36 <survic> michagogo|cloud: got the right interface? don't bother filtering by port, just use the bitcoin filter.
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1136 2014-04-30 15:28:51 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Can you negate an addnode that's in the config?
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1148 2014-04-30 15:35:44 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Okay, confirmed
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1150 2014-04-30 15:36:05 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|It was my mistake -- I had the BlueMatt relay node addnoded
1151 2014-04-30 15:36:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Because it's a different port and not 8333, the port is listed there
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1153 2014-04-30 15:36:50 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And because it doesn't do handshaking, it's just a firehose of tx data...
1154 2014-04-30 15:37:16 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|So as soon as I connected it started sending the tx messages, which were thrown out for being mainnet
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1158 2014-04-30 15:40:17 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|...I'll just take that out...
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1170 2014-04-30 15:49:32 <jouke> I am trying to understand what happened. Am i correct in thinking that we have one blockchain up to point A. The majority of steady hashing power created 900 blocks, A+B.
1171 2014-04-30 15:49:35 <jouke> But some new player solo mined 1000 new blocks at Point A and did not submit them until he had a 1000 thousand blocks creating chain A+C, causing a big reorg with at least phedny and coinplorer on that chain.
1172 2014-04-30 15:49:39 <jouke> Somehow majority hashing power stayed on A+B and slowly overtook chain A+C. The A+C nodes had to reorganise again, but failed because the fork was more than 500 blocks deep and the A+C nodes didn't recognize it hadn't reached the point where is was forked yet?
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1188 2014-04-30 15:58:52 <helo> "A+C nodes didn't recognize it had reached the point where it was forked"?
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1193 2014-04-30 16:04:45 <jouke> By requesting blockhashes it allready knew, because it had A + 900 blocks B? But maybe I am really misreading what Sipa said.
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1206 2014-04-30 16:16:38 <helo> would his blk?????.dat files be able to recreate the behavior?
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1216 2014-04-30 16:26:05 <sipa> helo: i believe so
1217 2014-04-30 16:26:50 <survic> sipa: this would be a regression rather than an original design flaw wouldn't it?
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1219 2014-04-30 16:28:03 <sipa> survic: i believe this is a bug since 0.9
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1225 2014-04-30 16:36:55 <survic> sipa: makes sense.
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1228 2014-04-30 16:37:38 <chichov> is there an upper limit for: transaction size, transaction input count, transaction output count?
1229 2014-04-30 16:37:51 <Luke-Jr> chichov: yes, read the cod
1230 2014-04-30 16:38:14 <chichov> do you have a hint in which files this may be?
1231 2014-04-30 16:38:43 <Luke-Jr> main.h
1232 2014-04-30 16:39:13 <chichov> alright, thanks
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1255 2014-04-30 17:08:55 <chichov> is it correct that if an invalid/malformed transaction is received by a node then the sender is informed about it?
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1257 2014-04-30 17:09:21 <sipa> there's a recent addition to the protocol, a "reject" message
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1259 2014-04-30 17:09:48 <chichov> sipa: precisely, that's what I'm seeing right now (main.h: 70)
1260 2014-04-30 17:09:56 <Luke-Jr> in most cases, I think the peer is just disconnected if it's really invalid
1261 2014-04-30 17:10:11 <Luke-Jr> unless the reject is sent before booting them..
1262 2014-04-30 17:10:52 <chichov> Luke-Jr: are you saying that if I'd send an invalid transaction, then I'd be disconnected by the peers I'm connected to?
1263 2014-04-30 17:11:09 <sipa> chichov: no, to the ones you've sent it to
1264 2014-04-30 17:11:22 <sipa> *by the ones you've sent it to
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1266 2014-04-30 17:12:18 <chichov> sipa: interesting. would I first receive a reject message?
1267 2014-04-30 17:12:28 <sipa> maybe
1268 2014-04-30 17:12:58 <chichov> that's a very funny thing to say about deterministic programs :P
1269 2014-04-30 17:13:19 <chichov> what would it depend on?
1270 2014-04-30 17:13:28 <sipa> i think the reject message is a hack, and i'm not sure how well it works
1271 2014-04-30 17:13:58 <sipa> for testing, you can always look at the error logs on the receiving node
1272 2014-04-30 17:14:08 <sipa> in production, you shouldn't send invalid transactions
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1274 2014-04-30 17:14:35 <hearn> chichov: for most failures yes. for double spending, the reject message is broken.
1275 2014-04-30 17:14:44 <hearn> which is unfortunate because that’s one of the most common accidental failures
1276 2014-04-30 17:15:02 <sipa> well, double spending is not reliably detectable in the first place
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1278 2014-04-30 17:15:31 <chichov> yep, lies in the nature of a distributed network
1279 2014-04-30 17:15:34 <sipa> and if it's not, it is considered an orphan, which is not a rejection
1280 2014-04-30 17:15:40 <sipa> chichov: eh no
1281 2014-04-30 17:16:11 <sipa> chichov: it's just not distinguishable from a transaction where you're missing all parent transactions
1282 2014-04-30 17:16:50 <chichov> oh, that's the issue you mean
1283 2014-04-30 17:17:18 <sipa> the event of double spending itself is well defined from the point of every single node
1284 2014-04-30 17:17:32 <sipa> but unless we keep track of all spent transactions, that is not detectable
1285 2014-04-30 17:18:20 <hearn> yeah. it’s annoying :) probably you can detect an accidental double spend by seeing if a node asks for the parent transactions, when you think it should already have them
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1306 2014-04-30 17:33:15 <chichov> why was the data field in OP_RETURN limited to 80 bytes?
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1308 2014-04-30 17:33:57 <chichov> In theory, one could just split e.g. 200 bytes across 3 transaction outputs anyway
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1311 2014-04-30 17:34:42 <hearn> 40 bytes
1312 2014-04-30 17:34:48 <hearn> only one output per tx
1313 2014-04-30 17:34:51 <chichov> oh? weren't those 80?
1314 2014-04-30 17:35:16 <survic> chichov: 40 bytes is standard, not 80.
1315 2014-04-30 17:35:26 <chichov> according to https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=290 it is 80
1316 2014-04-30 17:35:35 <hearn> it was changed at the last minute
1317 2014-04-30 17:36:03 <survic> chichov: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blame/ae7e5d7cebd9466d0c095233c9273e72e88fede1/src/script.h#L26
1318 2014-04-30 17:36:03 <chichov> for any particular reason?
1319 2014-04-30 17:36:27 <survic> blame says "Per mailing list discussion.", so looking there would be a good start.
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1321 2014-04-30 17:36:43 <hearn> it was felt 40 bytes was enough for a hash and a few marker bytes
1322 2014-04-30 17:36:47 <hearn> and that’s what it’s for
1323 2014-04-30 17:37:18 <chichov> some desired to use this field for other purposes than just a hash, but alright
1324 2014-04-30 17:37:35 <sipa> chichov: that's exactly the reason for decreasing it
1325 2014-04-30 17:37:36 <survic> if you want to have more than a hash, you're doing something wrong.
1326 2014-04-30 17:38:02 <chichov> where does the limitation of one output per tx come from?
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1328 2014-04-30 17:38:29 <survic> GAit: I never cared enough to read into it deeply, but it was basically made very centralised and gave huge riches to the company that bought it.
1329 2014-04-30 17:38:36 <survic> sorry, windowing.
1330 2014-04-30 17:38:39 <sipa> chichov: because that is all that is needed for making a transaction that commits to external data (the intended usecase)
1331 2014-04-30 17:38:57 <sipa> chichov: the use case is not "adding arbitrary data to transactions"
1332 2014-04-30 17:39:20 <chichov> so if OP_RETURN is used then only one transaction output for a transaction is allowed?
1333 2014-04-30 17:39:36 <sipa> no, only one output with OP_RETURN in it
1334 2014-04-30 17:39:44 <sipa> for other outputs, normal rules apply
1335 2014-04-30 17:39:53 <chichov> hm, alright
1336 2014-04-30 17:40:02 <chichov> so one OP_RETURN output per transaction
1337 2014-04-30 17:40:35 <hearn> sipa: bitcoinj.org  whaddaya think? pretty nice huh?
1338 2014-04-30 17:40:42 <hearn> saivann__ is the man
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1341 2014-04-30 17:41:53 <chichov> sipa: where in the code can I find that one-OP_RET-per-TX limitation?
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1343 2014-04-30 17:42:37 <survic> chichov: search for "mucho data"
1344 2014-04-30 17:42:57 <sipa> that was changed, thankfully
1345 2014-04-30 17:43:13 <sipa> IsStandardTx in main.cpp
1346 2014-04-30 17:43:25 <survic> oh.
1347 2014-04-30 17:43:34 <chichov> haha, thanks
1348 2014-04-30 17:43:51 <sipa> hearn: nice :)
1349 2014-04-30 17:44:40 <saivann__> sipa hearn: thanks! :)
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1352 2014-04-30 17:45:29 <survic> chichov: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L551
1353 2014-04-30 17:46:05 <chichov> survic: thanks, I got it
1354 2014-04-30 17:46:34 <survic> chichov: I miss the old message. it used to be mucho-data.
1355 2014-04-30 17:46:55 <chichov> survic: no freedoms anymore eh?
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1357 2014-04-30 17:47:36 <survic> no more fun in the reference client.
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1427 2014-04-30 18:45:32 <petertodd> chichov: you can encode data more cheaply and more effectively by ways other than op-return; there's little reason to use it if you are publishing data
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1433 2014-04-30 18:47:47 <citra> can i ask a question about bitcoin-qt issues here
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1435 2014-04-30 18:50:10 <sipa> sure
1436 2014-04-30 18:50:29 <sipa> github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues is your friend though
1437 2014-04-30 18:50:57 <citra> i was using an old version of bitcoin-qt on my mac, i set up an address to receive coins and sent them to that address, then realized things needed to be synchronized. i set up to synch and it gave me a bug 11DbException. i upgraded and kept my original wallet.dat file. i can't see the addresses i gave out anymore.
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1440 2014-04-30 18:51:30 <citra> i also don't see coins but it's not done synching
1441 2014-04-30 18:51:43 <sipa> go to the debug console, and type
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1445 2014-04-30 18:51:58 <sipa> validateaddress [that address]
1446 2014-04-30 18:52:03 <sipa> without the []
1447 2014-04-30 18:52:17 <citra> ok
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1449 2014-04-30 18:52:19 <citra> in bitcoin-qt?
1450 2014-04-30 18:52:21 <sipa> yes
1451 2014-04-30 18:52:42 <citra> ok
1452 2014-04-30 18:52:44 <citra> says it is valid
1453 2014-04-30 18:52:50 <sipa> what does it say next to ismine?
1454 2014-04-30 18:52:55 <citra> true
1455 2014-04-30 18:53:00 <sipa> then you're good
1456 2014-04-30 18:53:02 <citra> o ok, so that means it will show up when done synchronizing
1457 2014-04-30 18:53:06 <citra> ok awesome, thanks so much for your help
1458 2014-04-30 18:53:08 <sipa> just wait until it is synchronized
1459 2014-04-30 18:53:25 <citra> do you know if that 11dbexception bug is just because i was using an old version
1460 2014-04-30 18:53:27 <citra> it said something about memory
1461 2014-04-30 18:53:42 <sipa> i can't say
1462 2014-04-30 18:53:54 <citra> ah ok
1463 2014-04-30 18:54:02 <citra> hopefully it doesn't come up again
1464 2014-04-30 18:54:07 <citra> that's what stopped my wallet from synching
1465 2014-04-30 18:54:16 <citra> and when i googled the error it just said to upgrade my version
1466 2014-04-30 18:54:23 <sipa> is it making progress now?
1467 2014-04-30 18:54:35 <citra> well yeah but it is starting over because i upgraded
1468 2014-04-30 18:54:48 <citra> i didn't have enough space on my computer to download the blocks
1469 2014-04-30 18:54:56 <citra> it got stuck around 250k or something
1470 2014-04-30 18:54:59 <sipa> ok
1471 2014-04-30 18:55:03 <citra> i think
1472 2014-04-30 18:55:09 <sipa> do you have enough space now?
1473 2014-04-30 18:55:25 <citra> no :( i run parallels so it takes up a ton of space
1474 2014-04-30 18:55:44 <citra> i tried to move over a lot to my external but that bootstrap.dat file takes up 13 gb or something
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1476 2014-04-30 18:56:02 <citra> and i can't really get rid of the parallels stuff
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1478 2014-04-30 18:56:40 <sipa> so what are you trying to achieve?
1479 2014-04-30 18:56:42 <helo> you might have to use a different wallet if you can't spare ~20GB
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1481 2014-04-30 18:57:06 <sipa> bitcoin core will not work without the entire chain
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1483 2014-04-30 18:57:24 <citra> hrm
1484 2014-04-30 18:57:28 <citra> ok i'll have to clear up more space
1485 2014-04-30 18:57:36 <sipa> you don't need bootstrap.dat though
1486 2014-04-30 18:57:43 <citra> is there anyway for me to move it to a different computer as long as i have the wallet.dat file
1487 2014-04-30 18:57:50 <sipa> yes
1488 2014-04-30 18:57:56 <citra> ok, cool
1489 2014-04-30 18:58:02 <citra> i think i'll do that, then
1490 2014-04-30 18:58:19 <citra> in the past i had it working ok
1491 2014-04-30 18:58:23 <citra> but that was 2 years ago
1492 2014-04-30 18:58:30 <citra> and it didnt seem to take up too much space?
1493 2014-04-30 18:58:30 <sipa> ha
1494 2014-04-30 18:58:41 <sipa> well the chain has grown a bit since then :D
1495 2014-04-30 18:58:48 <citra> yeah i figure heh
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1501 2014-04-30 19:01:46 <citra> if i have some coins on coinbase is there an advantage to moving them to my bitcoin-qt wallet
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1503 2014-04-30 19:02:15 <midnightmagic> I have a total of about 20GB here for blocks/* and chainstate/* together.
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1505 2014-04-30 19:03:12 <citra> i only have about 14 gb free atm
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1507 2014-04-30 19:03:17 <citra> i'll try to clear up more space
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1522 2014-04-30 19:20:01 <gjs278> citra: the advantage is you won't lose your coins if coinbase ever got shutdown or your account hacked
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1528 2014-04-30 19:22:52 <GAit> Luke-Jr: you may enjoy a blog post of mine about address reuse :)
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1547 2014-04-30 19:30:07 * helo wonders if the headers first debut will also feature an SPV mode
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1553 2014-04-30 19:31:26 <sipa> helo: spv is headersonly, not headersfirst :)
1554 2014-04-30 19:31:49 <sipa> helo: though adding spv won't be hard when we do have headersfirst
1555 2014-04-30 19:31:55 <helo> doh, yes
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1559 2014-04-30 19:32:29 <sipa> it's headersfirst + downloading wallet-based partial blocks instead of full blocks
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1679 2014-04-30 21:08:16 <SoftwareMechanic> Has anyone reviewed how Trezor is blending entropy for it's bip39 seed generation?
1680 2014-04-30 21:08:35 <SoftwareMechanic> I was wondering if it was legit or not
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1697 2014-04-30 21:24:04 <gmaxwell> SoftwareMechanic: have a link?
1698 2014-04-30 21:24:16 <SoftwareMechanic> ya
1699 2014-04-30 21:24:18 <SoftwareMechanic> 1 sec
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1702 2014-04-30 21:25:05 <SoftwareMechanic> https://github.com/trezor/trezor-mcu/blob/master/firmware/reset.c
1703 2014-04-30 21:25:07 <SoftwareMechanic> Line 90
1704 2014-04-30 21:25:24 <SoftwareMechanic> It generates a random buffer using the ARM rng
1705 2014-04-30 21:25:36 <SoftwareMechanic> Then asks the computer bitcoin client for a random buffer
1706 2014-04-30 21:26:20 <SoftwareMechanic> Then updates a sha256 against the internally ARM generated entropy, then updates it again with the externally provided entropy
1707 2014-04-30 21:26:40 <SoftwareMechanic> seems reasonable, but I don't know anything
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1714 2014-04-30 21:31:01 <Guest25441> getting lines and lines for hours now....
1715 2014-04-30 21:31:03 <Guest25441> ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=00000000000002b831e75c589f822be307dff32a0486cc11e65341d30a0868da
1716 2014-04-30 21:31:03 <Guest25441> ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 751, prev=00000000000002df952fa60be61ca547950b6a374cbe1c1d5ec012a2f1910a5b
1717 2014-04-30 21:31:17 <Guest25441> Orphan 751. a lot.
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1719 2014-04-30 21:32:20 <Isgu12> Not out of space. version 0.9.1 What could be wrong?
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1721 2014-04-30 21:34:22 <sipa> Guest48634: expected, unfortunately
1722 2014-04-30 21:35:33 <Isgu12> sipa ok so no problem? just wait?
1723 2014-04-30 21:35:42 <sipa> Isgu12: yes; restarting can help
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1726 2014-04-30 21:36:14 <Isgu12> k thx
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1797 2014-04-30 22:32:29 <abrkn\> is there a way to importprivkey without rescanning?
1798 2014-04-30 22:32:48 <abrkn\> to import a key i know has not yet been used to receive any tx
1799 2014-04-30 22:33:14 <sipa> yes, append false to the command
1800 2014-04-30 22:33:20 <sipa> importprivkey key false
1801 2014-04-30 22:33:32 <sipa> or try "help importprivkey"
1802 2014-04-30 22:34:16 <abrkn\> i dont have a bitcoind at hand. any way to import and only scan partially backwards?
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1804 2014-04-30 22:34:52 <sipa> no
1805 2014-04-30 22:35:12 <abrkn\> if i import false, can i reindex at a later time to catch up?
1806 2014-04-30 22:35:12 <sipa> if you don't bitcoind by hand, what are you importing into?
1807 2014-04-30 22:35:19 <sipa> yes
1808 2014-04-30 22:35:22 <sipa> rescan, not reindex
1809 2014-04-30 22:35:35 <sipa> reindexing is waaaaay more expensive and has nothing to do with the wallet
1810 2014-04-30 22:36:40 <abrkn\> sipa: i'm looking to move towards having customers deposit with bip32 sipa addresses. easy solution would be to importprivkey as soon as the address has unspents (check via blockchain.info api, etc). however, importprivkey takes 10 min
1811 2014-04-30 22:37:15 <abrkn\> sipa: the system would not handle all of those importprivkey calls, possibly one every second
1812 2014-04-30 22:37:42 <sipa> abrkn\: you'll need to wait for actual bip32 support inside bitcoind, so it automatically adds new keys from the chain when old ones are being used
1813 2014-04-30 22:37:53 <sipa> doing it manually would be a pain
1814 2014-04-30 22:38:00 <abrkn\> sipa: that'd be perfect, but we need something tomorrow
1815 2014-04-30 22:38:21 <sipa> too bad
1816 2014-04-30 22:38:38 <abrkn\> sipa: an option would be to importprivkey false as soon as we make up the address, before any tx is sent to it
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1818 2014-04-30 22:38:46 <sipa> yes, that should be the goal
1819 2014-04-30 22:38:52 <abrkn\> sipa: and then rescan every other day to catch up with the odd cases
1820 2014-04-30 22:39:51 <abrkn\> sipa: the only other idea i have at this time is to sweep using blockchain's api to get unspent, bring it over to the hotwallet. not ideal either
1821 2014-04-30 22:40:19 <abrkn\> sipa: and sweeping would be considered manual key managment, which gmaxwell has told me carries a lot of dangers
1822 2014-04-30 22:40:43 <sipa> yeah, i wish i could tell you what to do
1823 2014-04-30 22:40:53 <abrkn\> ...and sweeping costs money
1824 2014-04-30 22:41:02 <sipa> but right now, i don't think bitcoind's wallet is the right solution for setups like that
1825 2014-04-30 22:42:16 <abrkn\> sipa: possibly not, but considering all the problems propritertary key management has done onto others, i'd rather not
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1827 2014-04-30 22:43:06 <abrkn\> sipa: txmall is one thing, but once people start mining to deposit addresses we'd be in a lot of trouble
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1829 2014-04-30 22:43:56 <abrkn\> sipa: i assume that's what got mtgox at the worst. outs being unspendable for a hundred confs
1830 2014-04-30 22:44:47 <sipa> why is mining to deposit addresses a problem?
1831 2014-04-30 22:45:24 <abrkn\> sipa: i was under the impression that a mining reward could not be spent before >100? confs
1832 2014-04-30 22:45:57 <sipa> correct
1833 2014-04-30 22:46:37 <abrkn\> sipa: so if youre mtgox' custom hotwallet and a miner mines to your wallet, you attempt to send it onwards before >100 confs
1834 2014-04-30 22:47:00 <abrkn\> sipa: but the network rejects it and you're stuck in a loop trying to spend an unspendable output
1835 2014-04-30 22:47:08 <sipa> that wasn't the problem
1836 2014-04-30 22:47:18 <sipa> the fact that they automatically reissued failed sends was
1837 2014-04-30 22:47:35 <abrkn\> for some escrow?
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1839 2014-04-30 22:48:26 <sipa> ?
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1841 2014-04-30 22:48:49 <sipa> anyway, i'm certainly not advising you to write your own wallet from scratch
1842 2014-04-30 22:48:55 <abrkn\> that the auto returns were for some sort of escrow service
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1844 2014-04-30 22:49:03 <sipa> but i'm sure there exist better wallet implementations than bitcoind for this purpose
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1846 2014-04-30 22:49:37 <abrkn\> sipa: we're working pretty hard on bitcoinjs-lib. wei, kyle, me, others. have you looked at it?
1847 2014-04-30 22:50:04 <sipa> no, i don't know javascript
1848 2014-04-30 22:50:45 <mapppum> in the 'signrawtransaction' api method, what format are the privkeys supposed to be in? wif?
1849 2014-04-30 22:50:51 <abrkn\> sipa: js is nice because it's easy. i hope our implementation will bring the chain to the masses. certainly won't bring perf ;)
1850 2014-04-30 22:51:41 <sipa> mapppum: yes
1851 2014-04-30 22:52:31 <sipa> abrkn\: but where does it get the chain?
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1853 2014-04-30 22:52:49 <abrkn\> sipa: a full js node would be a big deal, but as you guys have said before, script.c (or what it's called) is not easily repilicated
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1855 2014-04-30 22:53:34 <mapppum> i'm actually making a wallet right now with bitcoind and bitcoinjs-lib :P
1856 2014-04-30 22:53:40 <sipa> abrkn\: i think reimplementing consensus-critical code is a really bad idea
1857 2014-04-30 22:53:45 <sipa> abrkn\: but that wasn't my question
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1859 2014-04-30 22:53:46 <abrkn\> map
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1861 2014-04-30 22:54:05 <abrkn\> mapppum: great! any help on bitcoinjs-lib is appreciated
1862 2014-04-30 22:54:39 <abrkn\> sipa: if we cannot re-implement it, then what? port from satoshi client?
1863 2014-04-30 22:55:14 <sipa> abrkn\: i'm not asking how you validate
1864 2014-04-30 22:55:19 <mapppum> i'm only using the HD key stuff for now though, the rest just goes through the bitcoind raw transaction api
1865 2014-04-30 22:55:20 <sipa> abrkn\: i'm asking how you get the chain :)
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1867 2014-04-30 22:55:46 <sipa> or how you get transactions
1868 2014-04-30 22:55:52 <sipa> or listen to events on the p2p network
1869 2014-04-30 22:56:01 <sipa> or know what transactions credit your wallets
1870 2014-04-30 22:56:10 <abrkn\> sipa: in our system or in bitcoinjs-lib?
1871 2014-04-30 22:56:28 <sipa> anywhre
1872 2014-04-30 22:56:34 <mapppum> that's not in bitcoinjs-lib
1873 2014-04-30 22:56:53 <abrkn\> sipa: on jusctcoin, we just ask bitcoind. whats the height, what txs are in which blocks, what are they. we use that info to credit
1874 2014-04-30 22:57:06 <sipa> abrkn\: you call bitcoind from within javascript?
1875 2014-04-30 22:57:09 <mapppum> i'm doing it by querying bitcoind and keeping outputs and stuff in mysql
1876 2014-04-30 22:57:21 <abrkn\> sipa: over rpc. this is node.js, we're on server side
1877 2014-04-30 22:57:31 <sipa> oh
1878 2014-04-30 22:57:34 <sipa> right
1879 2014-04-30 22:57:36 <sipa> never mind
1880 2014-04-30 22:57:51 <abrkn\> sipa: sorry if i mislead you to believe clients were speaking directly to bitcoind
1881 2014-04-30 22:58:05 <sipa> no worries
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1899 2014-04-30 23:15:22 <jgarzik> hrm
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1904 2014-04-30 23:16:20 <jgarzik> what is wallet behavior of bitcoind 0.8.x, if I create txA which doesn't confirm, then double-spend and confirm the same inputs via txB?  does txA still appear in listtransactions?
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1906 2014-04-30 23:16:31 <sipa> yes
1907 2014-04-30 23:16:52 <sipa> both will be in the wallet, and txA just won't confirm
1908 2014-04-30 23:16:59 <sipa> iirc, it will even keep rebroadcasting txA
1909 2014-04-30 23:17:09 <sipa> (in 0.8)
1910 2014-04-30 23:17:38 <gmaxwell> in 0.9+ it shows -1 confirms on it.
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1958 2014-04-30 23:53:38 <SoftwareMechanic> Does anyone have a solid method for generating random numbers using some kind of hardware based seed, such as time, etc.?
1959 2014-04-30 23:54:09 <sipa> haveged
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1966 2014-04-30 23:59:45 <SoftwareMechanic> haveged?
1967 2014-04-30 23:59:49 <kadoban> SoftwareMechanic: There's a ridiculous amount of info out there about that.  Time isn't hardware based though, when people talk about random number hardware they mean measuring actually random data (nuclear decay, radio noise, etc.)