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84 2014-05-14 01:25:33 <aegis> Hi all... Is something wrong with the network right now?
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86 2014-05-14 01:26:43 <gmaxwell> thats not a useful question.
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94 2014-05-14 01:33:05 <aegis> ;;tslb
95 2014-05-14 01:33:13 <gribble> Time since last block: 7 minutes and 35 seconds
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128 2014-05-14 02:16:42 <warren> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/History apparently ended last year.
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133 2014-05-14 02:30:45 <Luke-Jr> warren: because we stopped caring at $100
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153 2014-05-14 02:54:46 <jaekwon> i haven't touched C++ in forever⦠does bitcoind use C++11?
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166 2014-05-14 03:08:35 <coryfields> warren: around?
167 2014-05-14 03:08:37 <coryfields> jaekwon: no
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169 2014-05-14 03:09:21 <jaekwon> danke
170 2014-05-14 03:09:28 <warren> coryfields: whats up
171 2014-05-14 03:10:04 <coryfields> warren: would be great to get some builders for https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4185
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173 2014-05-14 03:10:24 <coryfields> if you have anyone who is able
174 2014-05-14 03:11:12 <coryfields> I haven't verified that the checksums line up with anyone else's yet (don't know of any reason why they wouldn't, though)
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289 2014-05-14 05:15:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|coryfields: is that a pr for gitian OS X?
290 2014-05-14 05:16:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|If so, I'll check it out, maybe this afternoon/evening (currently 8:13 am)
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491 2014-05-14 10:40:05 <fanquake> ;;blocks
492 2014-05-14 10:40:06 <gribble> 300680
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503 2014-05-14 10:54:08 <hearn> KuDeTa: to manage that many addresses with open source code - not sure itâs possible. youâd have to extend existing codebases. bitcoinj is being refactored as part of the hd wallets work to support pluggable key chains. a database backed key chain is certainly possible
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590 2014-05-14 12:50:08 <elichai2> which encryption algorithem bitcoin-qt use?
591 2014-05-14 12:50:32 <t7> rot26
592 2014-05-14 12:51:48 <elichai2> are you sure this is an encryption?
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594 2014-05-14 12:52:27 <t7> symmetric encryption
595 2014-05-14 12:53:31 <elichai2> it's not a encoding?
596 2014-05-14 12:54:18 <kinlo> elichai2: those questions might be better placed in #bitcoin, I'll answer them there if you ask them again there :)
597 2014-05-14 12:54:27 <elichai2> ok lol sorry
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602 2014-05-14 13:00:56 <HaltingState> sipa, gmaxwell using ECDH, if I have someones public key P (private key p) , I can generate a public key Q with private key q; i send Q. they compute p*Q and I can compute q*P, which should be equal; that is the shared secret
603 2014-05-14 13:01:20 <HaltingState> if i know someone's public key, i can send them a message encrypted using that shared secret, and only person with the private key should be able to read it
604 2014-05-14 13:02:00 <HaltingState> if there way to show that a person knows the private key, without them producing a signature and that is not an online communication protocol like that?
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606 2014-05-14 13:04:15 <HaltingState> if i can communicate with them, obviously, i can just take their pubkey and send message like that and they can only read it if they know my private key or they know the private key for the pubkey and that proves to me that they have the private key; but if i took the communication and gave it to a third party, it would not prove to a third party that the response was created by someone with the private key
607 2014-05-14 13:04:35 <elichai2> !me slaps t7
608 2014-05-14 13:04:35 <gribble> Error: "me" is not a valid command.
609 2014-05-14 13:04:39 * elichai2 slaps t7
610 2014-05-14 13:04:42 <elichai2> lol
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620 2014-05-14 13:18:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I find it confusing that people use notation like p*Q, q*P
621 2014-05-14 13:19:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|When I first saw that, I was like, wait, can't you divide by Q to find p?
622 2014-05-14 13:19:40 <epscy> yeh, mind your p's and q's
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635 2014-05-14 13:34:57 <saizai> hm, I think my host dropped that
636 2014-05-14 13:35:02 <saizai> > any of yâall going to bitcoin2014?
637 2014-05-14 13:36:06 <saizai> also, any of you happen to be in nyc or dc?
638 2014-05-14 13:36:12 <saizai> would be nice to meet up irl
639 2014-05-14 13:36:28 <saizai> (Iâm traveling through both at the moment)
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716 2014-05-14 14:26:06 <arubi> hey, another user at #openssl just confirmed with me that he as able to reproduce a weird glitch in the openssl command line utility
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718 2014-05-14 14:26:40 <arubi> running `openssl ecparam -name secp256k1 -noout -text -genkey | openssl ec -text` , the hex private key is sometimes 32 bytes long, and sometimes 33 bytes long with leading '00'
719 2014-05-14 14:27:32 <arubi> I don't know how important that is, but I figured I'd share
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723 2014-05-14 14:28:44 <Eremes> bitcoind walletpassphrase hello!2013 9999
724 2014-05-14 14:28:44 <Eremes> -bash: !2013: event not found
725 2014-05-14 14:28:52 <Eremes> how do i unlock my wallet ?
726 2014-05-14 14:28:57 <Eremes> I have "!" in my password
727 2014-05-14 14:29:05 <arubi> use quotes around the password
728 2014-05-14 14:29:08 <Eremes> its worked on windows
729 2014-05-14 14:29:14 <arubi> "pass word123"
730 2014-05-14 14:29:24 <Eremes> let me try
731 2014-05-14 14:29:52 <Eremes> can't
732 2014-05-14 14:29:54 <Eremes> same result
733 2014-05-14 14:29:58 <arubi> then add a
734 2014-05-14 14:30:01 <arubi> \
735 2014-05-14 14:30:09 <arubi> before the !
736 2014-05-14 14:30:30 <Eremes> with " or not
737 2014-05-14 14:30:34 <edcba> ^
738 2014-05-14 14:30:36 <arubi> with
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740 2014-05-14 14:31:08 <edcba> oh it's bash...
741 2014-05-14 14:31:16 <edcba> ^ would be for windows
742 2014-05-14 14:31:21 <Eremes> its worked
743 2014-05-14 14:31:28 <Eremes> with \
744 2014-05-14 14:31:36 <arubi> great.
745 2014-05-14 14:31:39 <Eremes> thanks
746 2014-05-14 14:31:46 <Eremes> if I already encrypted my wallet.dat
747 2014-05-14 14:31:47 <arubi> welcome
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749 2014-05-14 14:31:50 <Eremes> and my root password is strong
750 2014-05-14 14:31:55 <Eremes> could someone steal my btc ?
751 2014-05-14 14:31:59 <Eremes> its on VPS
752 2014-05-14 14:32:21 <Eremes> both wallet & root access is very complicated pass
753 2014-05-14 14:32:31 <arubi> this isn't the channel reall, let's talk in #bitcoin
754 2014-05-14 14:32:46 <Eremes> ok
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772 2014-05-14 14:44:17 <coryfields> michagogo|cloud: (from backlog) yes.
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776 2014-05-14 14:45:01 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|coryfields: Ah, I forgot about that.
777 2014-05-14 14:45:05 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|fires up a vm
778 2014-05-14 14:45:35 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What was the name of the proprietary file from apple? OSX10.6.pkg or something?
779 2014-05-14 14:46:15 <coryfields> MacOSX10.6.pkg
780 2014-05-14 14:46:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Thanks
781 2014-05-14 14:46:31 * michagogo cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|searches to make sure he still has it
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783 2014-05-14 14:46:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Got it.
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787 2014-05-14 14:48:42 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|FYI: I'll be testing in a precise 64-bit vm
788 2014-05-14 14:49:15 <coryfields> that's fine, but gitian has to be 32bit
789 2014-05-14 14:49:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Pretty sure I have both VMs built
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791 2014-05-14 14:50:14 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|BTW, are you keeping any files created unique with their names?
792 2014-05-14 14:50:43 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(should I set up a separate gitian environment in case of filename conflicts?)
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794 2014-05-14 14:51:27 <coryfields> not sure what you mean
795 2014-05-14 14:51:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Also: is the branch on that pull based off of master or 0.9.x or something similarly recent?
796 2014-05-14 14:51:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|coryfields: things like rev numbers on deps
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798 2014-05-14 14:52:22 <coryfields> michagogo|cloud: those aren't set in stone until it's in merged. at that point, any change will require a bump
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800 2014-05-14 14:52:30 <coryfields> for now, yea, -rX.tar.gz are recycled
801 2014-05-14 14:52:40 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Okay. But are the files all new ones?
802 2014-05-14 14:54:13 <coryfields> still not really sure what you mean. no output files conflict with any other builds, if that's what you're asking
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833 2014-05-14 15:27:06 <elichai2> /j #javascript
834 2014-05-14 15:27:13 <elichai2> ops
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865 2014-05-14 15:46:01 <posita> hearn: are you around?
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867 2014-05-14 15:46:06 <hearn> yup
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869 2014-05-14 15:46:46 <posita> I know this is probably the wrong place to ask, but I can't seem to find the answer to this. Does bitcoinj accept non-standard mainnet transactions into its equivalent of the mempool?
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871 2014-05-14 15:47:09 <hearn> it doesnât have a mempool. or rather, confusingly, it has a class called MemoryPool, which does not do the same thing. i plan to rename it.
872 2014-05-14 15:47:18 <hearn> bitcoinj is not intended to be a full node so, it doesnât listen or relay
873 2014-05-14 15:47:29 <posita> Ah, okay. That might be the source of my confusion. :-)
874 2014-05-14 15:47:43 <posita> Thanks. My apologies for bringing this up on dev.
875 2014-05-14 15:47:51 <hearn> it will accept non-standard txns in some cases into the wallet, if the remote node announces them. it doesnât have a full IsStandard() implementation
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877 2014-05-14 15:48:03 <hearn> itâs a dev question, no worries! but thereâs also a #bitcoinj channel if you want to use it
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879 2014-05-14 15:48:38 <posita> Fair enough. I will do that in the future. By "some cases" do you mean those that match the supported BIPs?
880 2014-05-14 15:48:57 <posita> Per: https://bitcoinj.github.io/bitcoin-standards
881 2014-05-14 15:49:21 <posita> (Actually most of those look standard to me.)
882 2014-05-14 15:49:44 <hearn> for instance it does not reject transactions with non-standard scripts
883 2014-05-14 15:50:23 <posita> From the remote node (i.e., once they're in the blockchain, everybody gets them)?
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887 2014-05-14 15:50:55 <posita> Thanks for the walkthrough. My apologies if this was easily answered by the existing documentation.
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890 2014-05-14 15:51:03 <hearn> right, if a loose tx is relayed that is non standard itâs only rejected in a few cases. and actually that code is buggy :)
891 2014-05-14 15:51:05 <hearn> so it needs work
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894 2014-05-14 15:51:37 <posita> Do you remember off hand where that is? If I run into problems, I might be in a position to submit pull requests.
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896 2014-05-14 15:51:41 <hearn> itâs probably not. the code assumes the remote node is doing IsStandard checks at the moment. thatâs sort of normally true but occasionally false, and in general it should be done (repeated) client side for max security and decentralisation
897 2014-05-14 15:51:52 <hearn> DefaultRiskAnalysis
898 2014-05-14 15:52:07 <hearn> thereâs a notion of a âriskyâ transaction. itâs only applied to pending / unconfirmed transactions.
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900 2014-05-14 15:52:44 <hearn> the problem is, thereâs a nasty bug. the wallet actually drops such transactions completely. it should keep them around but not count them for balance purposes and not list them by default. and eventually time them out, but not until a long time has passed.
901 2014-05-14 15:53:20 <hearn> or rather, sorry, it could do that. but at minimum it needs to keep them in memory for the current session. otherwise if they do get confirmed, the remote node wonât send us the tx data again and weâll miss the tx
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903 2014-05-14 15:53:27 <hearn> anyway i will fix this at some point
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906 2014-05-14 15:54:34 <posita> I'll take a look. Who knows, maybe I can help with a fix? I'm assuming it doesn't have the ability to turn this "feature" off (e.g., via caller parameter)?
907 2014-05-14 15:55:23 <hearn> sure it can be turned off. you can override the risk analysis with one that simply accepts everything. then thereâs no problem.
908 2014-05-14 15:55:34 <hearn> but then you have to deal with the 1Enjoy 1Sochi spam
909 2014-05-14 15:55:39 <hearn> the fix isnât very complicated.
910 2014-05-14 15:55:57 <hearn> thereâs just a million things to do and i have a lot on my plate
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913 2014-05-14 15:56:17 <posita> Ah, I see re: replacing RiskAnalysis implementation (smacks forehead). Yes, of course.
914 2014-05-14 15:56:33 <posita> What do you mean? You don't seem busy at all! ;-)
915 2014-05-14 15:57:29 * hearn has an IRC bot that emulates him very well :)
916 2014-05-14 16:02:05 <posita> http://www.oldtimeradiodownloads.com/sci-fi/X%20Minus%20One/Marionettes-Inc-December-21-1955-show-3969.html
917 2014-05-14 16:02:21 <posita> Not that you have time to listen to old timey radio showsâ¦
918 2014-05-14 16:02:44 <posita> Like I said, I'll take a look and see what I can find/fix. I'm not looking at opening the floodgates, just adding support for an additional transaction pattern I've found useful. Something akin to: OP_IF 2 WWW XXX 2 OP_CHECKMULTISIGVERIFY OP_ELSE 2 YYY ZZZ 2 OP_CHECKMULTISIGVERIFY OP_ENDIF
919 2014-05-14 16:03:00 <posita> (There's probably a more efficient way to represent that, but it gets the idea across.)
920 2014-05-14 16:04:08 <hearn> well, add support where?
921 2014-05-14 16:04:17 <posita> Sorry, not adding support.
922 2014-05-14 16:04:21 <hearn> you donât need to whitelist it in bitcoinj, as i said, because we donât apply the IsStandard checks to begin with :-)
923 2014-05-14 16:04:27 <justanotheruser> posita: when does that evaluate to true? What's supposed to be in the scriptsig?
924 2014-05-14 16:04:37 <hearn> you need to whitelist it in bitcoin core. or, write an app that uses it on the testnet and then show everyone how awesome it is
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926 2014-05-14 16:05:34 <posita> Right. Sorry. I didn't mean a whitelist approach. I think I'm talking about something else now (not the wallet losing transactions bug, but not replacing DefaultRiskAnalysis either).
927 2014-05-14 16:06:38 <posita> justanotheruser: 0 SIG_W SIG_X 1 -or- 0 SIG_Y SIG_Z 1
928 2014-05-14 16:06:40 <posita> (I think.)
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930 2014-05-14 16:07:01 <posita> hearn: Will do (re: awesomeness). :-)
931 2014-05-14 16:07:09 <hearn> cool
932 2014-05-14 16:07:25 <posita> justanotheruser: Type. I meant: 0 SIG_W SIG_X 1 -or- 0 SIG_Y SIG_Z 0
933 2014-05-14 16:07:31 <posita> ^ Typo
934 2014-05-14 16:07:41 <posita> (I can't type apparently.)
935 2014-05-14 16:07:53 <justanotheruser> posita: 2 of 2 or another 2 of 2?
936 2014-05-14 16:07:58 <posita> Yes.
937 2014-05-14 16:08:07 <posita> An alternate pair of two parties.
938 2014-05-14 16:08:12 <posita> Not the same as 2-of-4.
939 2014-05-14 16:08:14 <hearn> what app is it for?
940 2014-05-14 16:08:29 <dabura667> I can't think of a use case... but seems like it would have one...
941 2014-05-14 16:09:40 <posita> Let's say you want release of funds for a child's college, but you want both parents' approval before the money gets released.
942 2014-05-14 16:09:57 <posita> You also want to allow for the possibility that the parents are no longer around, and the god parents are in charge.
943 2014-05-14 16:10:06 <posita> But you don't want one of the parents colluding with one of the godparents to release the money.
944 2014-05-14 16:10:18 <posita> That's a silly example, but illustrative.
945 2014-05-14 16:10:32 <justanotheruser> KeyA checksig keyB checksig and keyC checksig keyD checksig and or
946 2014-05-14 16:10:52 <justanotheruser> 7 opcodes and 4 keys
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948 2014-05-14 16:11:34 <posita> justanotheruser: Yup. I knew there were more efficient ways to represent that. (I guess that would most often be the case with X-of-X transactions where X is small.)
949 2014-05-14 16:11:38 <justanotheruser> Slightly smaller :) it probably can be optimized further
950 2014-05-14 16:11:56 <posita> Thanks. That's actually much better.
951 2014-05-14 16:12:01 <posita> Non-standard, but still much better.
952 2014-05-14 16:12:54 <posita> It's actually a much better approach since it won't be penalized for non-standard OP_CHECKMULTISIG operations.
953 2014-05-14 16:13:19 <dabura667> All: speaking of opcodes, what are your thoughts on Stealth Addresses a la Dark Wallet? Keeping them as OP_RETURN 0 amount txOuts seems silly... would it be possible to wedge them into the stealth txOut, do you think?
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955 2014-05-14 16:14:16 <dabura667> similar to the way the serialized script is wedged into P2SH txes.
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957 2014-05-14 16:15:49 <justanotheruser> posita: you could have key owners generate new key pairs and sign their public keys with their old public keys. Then keyA and keyB could be combined and keyC and keyD could be combined (after they signed their newly generated pub keys as well)
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959 2014-05-14 16:17:25 <justanotheruser> After they have pubkeyA and pubkeyB combined, a signature for it can be made from a combination of privkeyA and privkeyB. Them releasing their privkey is necessary to sign the tx, but it doesn't effect their security because they generated this key for one time use.
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961 2014-05-14 16:18:20 <justanotheruser> Then you have a standard 1 of 2 tx
962 2014-05-14 16:20:05 <dabura667> hmmmm
963 2014-05-14 16:20:12 <justanotheruser> s/sign their public keys with their old public keys/sign their new public keys with their old non-disposable keys
964 2014-05-14 16:21:02 <dabura667> How many bytes would that script take?
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966 2014-05-14 16:23:08 <dabura667> I feel like the method they're using right now is not exactly optimal...
967 2014-05-14 16:24:04 <justanotheruser> dabura667: its 2 pub keys one opcode and 1 1-byte numerical argument to the opcode
968 2014-05-14 16:24:35 <dabura667> that's for the txOut, correct?
969 2014-05-14 16:24:43 <dabura667> how would I redeem that?
970 2014-05-14 16:25:11 <justanotheruser> I mean 2 1-byte args
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972 2014-05-14 16:25:29 <dabura667> ok, so a multisig, correct?
973 2014-05-14 16:26:21 <justanotheruser> dabura667: yez
974 2014-05-14 16:26:25 <justanotheruser> Yes*
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976 2014-05-14 16:26:53 <justanotheruser> To redeem it, you would communicated with keyA holder if you were keyB holder
977 2014-05-14 16:27:14 <justanotheruser> same for keyC holder with keyD holdrt
978 2014-05-14 16:27:52 <dabura667> so the tx out would be OP_FALSE OP_1 pubkey1(sender generated) pubkey2(from receiver's stealth address) OP_2 OP_CHECKMULTISIG
979 2014-05-14 16:27:55 <dabura667> ?
980 2014-05-14 16:28:02 <justanotheruser> You would tell one another your private keys and create a signature for the transaction using the sum (or whatever the operation is) of your private keys
981 2014-05-14 16:28:49 <justanotheruser> dabura667: why opfalse?
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983 2014-05-14 16:29:07 <justanotheruser> Brb
984 2014-05-14 16:29:18 <dabura667> isn't that a bug where you need to place 00 at front of multisig txout?
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988 2014-05-14 16:30:32 <posita> justanotheruser: I stepped away for a few minutes and got lostâ¦. Do you mean like for maintaining chain of identity type situation?
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990 2014-05-14 16:31:38 <justanotheruser> posita: you just make a disposable key pair because making the signature means giving up your private key
991 2014-05-14 16:31:40 <posita> justanotheruser: Never mind. I see what you mean now.
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993 2014-05-14 16:32:27 <justanotheruser> dabura667: maybe. I didn't know about it
994 2014-05-14 16:32:54 <justanotheruser> posita: what are you trying to do with this script though?
995 2014-05-14 16:33:03 <posita> So, this might be embarrassing to admit, but I'm not up to speed on how keys get "combined". Do you mean using aspects of each to create a shared secret? Or do you mean creating a new key pair from two existing key pairs?
996 2014-05-14 16:33:41 <justanotheruser> posita: the latter, and I didn't know it was possible until a week ago either :)
997 2014-05-14 16:34:03 <nassty> hey guys, question about listtransactions over RCP. Is there any way I can tell bitcoind to skip the 'account' parameter but maintain the 'count' and 'offset' parameters? I tried sending 'null', but it complains
998 2014-05-14 16:34:29 <posita> justanotheruser: Wowâ¦I didn't know it was possible until just now. Probably off topic here (more a discussion for #bitcoin-wizards?), but do you have any pointers on where to read up?
999 2014-05-14 16:34:50 <justanotheruser> Paging gmaxwell
1000 2014-05-14 16:35:33 <posita> I'll ask him later, but that sounds really neat.
1001 2014-05-14 16:35:41 <nassty> (RPC*, oops)
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1003 2014-05-14 16:36:07 <justanotheruser> We were discussing combining pubkeys and privkeys. Can you link that document you linked me?
1004 2014-05-14 16:36:16 <justanotheruser> posita: good
1005 2014-05-14 16:37:20 <justanotheruser> Yeah, I think its really interesting how that's possible. We were discussing it in the context of an oracle releasing a private key when an event happens and creating a gambling script based on that oracle.
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1010 2014-05-14 16:38:37 <posita> I'm obviously missing some of the details, but it sounds neat. Although I'm not sure why anyone would release a private key?
1011 2014-05-14 16:41:00 <posita> BRB (offline for a few minutesâ¦I might miss stuffâ¦apologies in advance).
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1016 2014-05-14 16:47:38 <nassty> I'm back just for further reference. to send a different 'count' or 'offset' to listtransactions without specifying the account, you need to send "*" as the first parameter.
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1018 2014-05-14 16:48:39 <nassty> I mean, rpc.listtransactions("*", 200, 0) retrives the last 200 transactions for all accounts. Hope it helps anyone!
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1048 2014-05-14 17:19:49 <coryfields> michagogo|cloud: any luck?
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1050 2014-05-14 17:22:00 <justanotheruser> posita: I sent you a memo because I thought you were offline :p
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1052 2014-05-14 17:24:52 <posita> justanotheruser: Thanks for that! I'm back now. :-)
1053 2014-05-14 17:25:10 <posita> I got the message. I understand now. It's like a verification of destruction (or equivalent).
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1056 2014-05-14 17:26:46 <justanotheruser> Well its for one time use, that's for sure
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1058 2014-05-14 17:28:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|coryfields: not yet -- VM had about 2-3 months of updates to install
1059 2014-05-14 17:28:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Looks like it's done, though
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1063 2014-05-14 17:30:39 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I could have sworn I had the guest additions installed...
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1076 2014-05-14 17:40:22 <posita> justanotheruser: That's a more accurate way of putting it. :-) That's pretty cool.
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1122 2014-05-14 18:17:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|coryfields: uh, what happened to the osx readme?
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1127 2014-05-14 18:19:22 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh, nvm
1128 2014-05-14 18:19:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Just refreshed the PR page
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1135 2014-05-14 18:25:48 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|coryfields: the indents are off, I think
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1137 2014-05-14 18:28:03 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|coryfields: Also, you didn't need to add "mkdir -p inputs; cd inputs/"
1138 2014-05-14 18:28:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|That's already at the top of Fetch and build inputs: (first time, or when dependency versions change)
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1140 2014-05-14 18:28:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Following your version, you'll end up with gitian-builder/inputs/inputs/
1141 2014-05-14 18:29:46 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|coryfields: Also: How come you used tgz for the deps and not zips like the rest of them?
1142 2014-05-14 18:31:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I mean, in theory it doesn't matter, but a) consistency is nice, and b) it provides an easy way to determine at a glance what's source (tarballs) and what's built deps (zipa)
1143 2014-05-14 18:31:05 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|zips*
1144 2014-05-14 18:31:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Anyway, build running now
1145 2014-05-14 18:31:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|native first
1146 2014-05-14 18:32:27 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Oh, and you di- you know what, I'll just make these a comment
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1153 2014-05-14 18:37:52 <coryfields> michagogo|cloud: heh, thanks
1154 2014-05-14 18:38:32 <coryfields> michagogo|cloud: whoops, i forgot to remove the 2nd mkdir
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1156 2014-05-14 18:38:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|coryfields: why move it?
1157 2014-05-14 18:39:01 <coryfields> michagogo|cloud: so it's clear that the dmg/pkg need to be in the inputs dir
1158 2014-05-14 18:39:30 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|coryfields: I would move the instructions for getting the pkg into the inputs section
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1161 2014-05-14 18:39:55 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Below the "Fetch and build inputs: (first time, or when dependency versions change)" line, perhaps above the code box
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1164 2014-05-14 18:40:47 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Erm, how do I stop github from turning what it thinks is a commit hash into a short link?
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1166 2014-05-14 18:41:14 <coryfields> that would mean that you can't just c/p them anymore
1167 2014-05-14 18:41:23 <coryfields> but it doesn't matter to me, whatever seems more clear
1168 2014-05-14 18:41:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|coryfields: hmm?
1169 2014-05-14 18:41:34 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|What do you mean, you can't just c/p them anymore?
1170 2014-05-14 18:42:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|How about this:
1171 2014-05-14 18:42:49 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Under "fetch and build"... have the mkdir and cd
1172 2014-05-14 18:42:53 <coryfields> michagogo|cloud: above that, user has to download the dmg. but at that point, the inputs dir doesn't exist
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1174 2014-05-14 18:43:07 <coryfields> so i moved the mkdir up to before that
1175 2014-05-14 18:43:11 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Then, outside of a code box, have "Register and download the Apple SDK..."
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1177 2014-05-14 18:43:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And then under that, have the big code box
1178 2014-05-14 18:43:33 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Including the extraction commands
1179 2014-05-14 18:43:46 <coryfields> ok, will fix up when i get a chance
1180 2014-05-14 18:44:05 <coryfields> i'm packing and getting ready to fly out now, likely can't hack on it til i get back
1181 2014-05-14 18:44:52 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah, okay -- for the conference?
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1183 2014-05-14 18:45:04 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Or something else?
1184 2014-05-14 18:45:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Either way, have a safe and pleasant flight!
1185 2014-05-14 18:45:24 <coryfields> yea
1186 2014-05-14 18:45:26 <coryfields> thanks :)
1187 2014-05-14 18:45:45 <coryfields> i'll kick off a clean gitian build now, in case anyone manages to build it all
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1189 2014-05-14 18:45:57 <coryfields> my priority atm is making sure the results line up
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1191 2014-05-14 18:46:41 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|coryfields: post the hashes on the PR, and I'll see if they match mine
1192 2014-05-14 18:46:51 <coryfields> ok, thanks
1193 2014-05-14 18:46:56 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Though that may need to be tomorrow or later
1194 2014-05-14 18:47:08 <coryfields> michagogo|cloud: note that i moved back to qt 5.2.0 to match windows
1195 2014-05-14 18:47:12 <coryfields> so be sure you have that input
1196 2014-05-14 18:47:20 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I haven't been feeling great, so I think I'm going to go to sleep early
1197 2014-05-14 18:47:31 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|coryfields: Eh? What had you been using?
1198 2014-05-14 18:47:31 <coryfields> ah, sorry to hear :\
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1201 2014-05-14 18:47:59 <coryfields> 5.2.1
1202 2014-05-14 18:48:07 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Ah, didn't see that
1203 2014-05-14 18:48:19 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|But yeah, already had 5.2.0
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1205 2014-05-14 18:48:40 <coryfields> ok, headed out for a bit. feel better!
1206 2014-05-14 18:48:45 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Thanks
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1208 2014-05-14 18:48:57 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|(also, apparently the conference is coinciding with my birthday)
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1274 2014-05-14 20:21:47 <reipr> http://people.xiph.org/~greg/signdemo.txt
1275 2014-05-14 20:21:55 <reipr> " Note: Since we don't have the input transaction we don't
1276 2014-05-14 20:21:56 <reipr> know the input value and this txn could be paying a ton of change out
1277 2014-05-14 20:21:57 <reipr> to fees."
1278 2014-05-14 20:22:53 <reipr> I'm confused. He says we dont have the input transaction, but the input transaction is the original transaction that paied him the 50.00
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1280 2014-05-14 20:23:14 <reipr> Is he just saying "In general"...?
1281 2014-05-14 20:23:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|yes
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1283 2014-05-14 20:26:56 <reipr> Also, when sending change, it seems that maybe I should have a few different change addresses. 1. An address that receives largish amounts of change so that when spending it's outputs I can void fees. 2. An address that always receives ridiculously small amounts of change
1284 2014-05-14 20:27:51 <reipr> in other words, should I do that, or is there a better way to select which addresses to send change to?
1285 2014-05-14 20:28:17 <reipr> (all change addressess will also be from offline wallets)
1286 2014-05-14 20:29:25 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|reipr: well, you should only ever use each address once
1287 2014-05-14 20:29:32 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|And that includes change addresses
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1289 2014-05-14 20:30:38 <reipr> michagogo|cloud: I have deposit addressess that are offline, and the transactions I am talking about are to send the deposits to another set of offline wallets. I thought that was the best way because I can "age" the coins in those main wallets.
1290 2014-05-14 20:30:38 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|In the ideal situation, no address should ever have more than one output sent to it
1291 2014-05-14 20:30:42 <reipr> Maybe Im way off base
1292 2014-05-14 20:31:00 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|reipr: Not sure exactly what you mean
1293 2014-05-14 20:31:10 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I was responding to 23:24:13 <reipr> Also, when sending change, it seems that maybe I should have a few different change addresses.
1294 2014-05-14 20:31:23 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|You should have as many change addresses as you have change outputs.
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1296 2014-05-14 20:31:57 <reipr> I get what you mean there. But you generalized the statement, so I explained further hoping that even that assumption of mine can be checked :)
1297 2014-05-14 20:32:37 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|I'm not sure I understand what your setup is.
1298 2014-05-14 20:32:59 <reipr> For some reason, I am assuming the best situation is to have several deposit addressess. Deposits to those addressess are moved to a set of main wallets after a few days.
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1300 2014-05-14 20:33:08 <michagogo> cloud!uid14316@wikia/Michagogo|Why move them?
1301 2014-05-14 20:33:33 <reipr> hmm.
1302 2014-05-14 20:33:37 <reipr> maybe I shouldnt
1303 2014-05-14 20:34:07 <reipr> I just thought that if I moved them it would help me to pick unpent txouts better. But now that I think about it. That is false
1304 2014-05-14 20:35:02 <reipr> I guess the only benefit that I can still see in moving them is the proof of assets. I can publish a small number of cold storage addressses rather than tons of them
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1337 2014-05-14 21:25:35 <gidze> Hi all. What is a good libboost version to compile bitcoind under ubuntu 14.04? In the docs says to use 1.53 but itâs not available. I have compiled it before on another system without a problem
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1390 2014-05-14 22:24:50 <helo> you should be able to install 1.53 after you add-apt-repository ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin
1391 2014-05-14 22:26:00 <gidze> helo I tried with 1.55 and it worked
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1393 2014-05-14 22:26:13 <helo> yeah, it should work
1394 2014-05-14 22:26:56 <gidze> In the past I lost many hours because of boost
1395 2014-05-14 22:27:26 <gidze> but now it seems to work smoothly
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1397 2014-05-14 22:28:23 <gidze> btw I noticed that it doesnât compile staticaly boost so I had to install the boost libs on the server
1398 2014-05-14 22:28:55 <helo> oh, there is no bitcoin ppa for 14.04 yet
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1402 2014-05-14 22:29:14 <gidze> these are all it asked: libboost-system1.55.0 libboost-filesystem1.55.0 libboost-program-options1.55.0 libboost-thread1.55.0
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1404 2014-05-14 22:29:59 <gidze> but compiling them statically would be better
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1474 2014-05-14 23:52:35 <gigamike_> hello
1475 2014-05-14 23:53:29 <gigamike_> guys, maybe someone can help me on this one https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=19680.0 :(
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1479 2014-05-14 23:58:31 <jcorgan> um, no, this channel is for bitcoin development work
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