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  64 2014-05-19 00:52:01 <legerde> Payment Protocol: I am working on an implementation of this.    What if the transaction in the payment message never shows up in the blockchain?  I dont have a way of notifying the customer that the payment failed... Maybe its no big deal?
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  67 2014-05-19 00:54:28 <legerde> Payment Protocol:  I dont think I can hold off on the paymentACK message for 10 minutes.     Im new to this, so I probably have some fundamental misunderstanding
  68 2014-05-19 00:55:31 <Luke-Jr> legerde: it's your job to get the transaction into the blockchain
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  70 2014-05-19 00:56:41 <Luke-Jr> legerde: PaymentACK isn't a promise that the payment was good, just confirmation that you received it.
  71 2014-05-19 00:57:16 <Luke-Jr> legerde: think of it like a printed receipt: if the check bounces, you still expect payment to be made good
  72 2014-05-19 00:58:17 <legerde> Im looking at this from the Merchant side..  Its the wallets job to get it in the blockchain.   THe merchant sends a PaymentACK.
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  75 2014-05-19 00:58:56 <legerde> So as a merchant, if the user is gone, then I have no way to notify them.    I have a refund address.
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  78 2014-05-19 00:59:28 <Luke-Jr> legerde: it's the merchant's job to get it in the blockchain.
  79 2014-05-19 00:59:45 <Luke-Jr> legerde: I suggest you get contact info before giving them a payment request.
  80 2014-05-19 01:00:13 <legerde> THats a good suggestion.  https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0070/Protocol_Sequence.png   This sequence says its the wallets job to get the transaction in the blockchain.
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  82 2014-05-19 01:00:53 <legerde> Maybe I misread that figure?
  83 2014-05-19 01:01:04 <Luke-Jr> legerde: it doesn't mention the blockchain in that image
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  85 2014-05-19 01:01:15 <legerde> I believe I am the merchant server in that diagram.
  86 2014-05-19 01:03:07 <legerde> I interpreted the bitcoin-p2p network as the blockchain.    So the wallet ships the transaction to the P2P network, then I watch transactions from the P2P network to verify the transaction was successful.   Thats what that figure tells me.  But maybe I am misreading it
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 111 2014-05-19 01:22:41 <Luke-Jr> legerde: in any case, PaymentACK should not wait for confirmation
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 122 2014-05-19 01:28:37 <legerde> Luke-Jr: Agreed.  I thank you for your input on this.  I do not wish to gather customer data.  The entire reason I am investigating the payment protocol is so that a refund address is automatically included, rather than gather customer data.
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 192 2014-05-19 02:49:00 <wew> question: can I generate multiple addreses using 1 private key?
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 205 2014-05-19 02:57:53 <jcorgan> wew: essentially, no, though technically each private key can be transformed into a compressed and uncompressed public, and each of those creates a different address
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 209 2014-05-19 02:58:50 <jcorgan> you may be thinking of BIP32, where a unique seed value can generate an unlimited series of public and private key pairs
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 390 2014-05-19 06:44:18 <michagogo> jcorgan: minor nit: it's the same public key, just 2 representations of it
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 393 2014-05-19 06:46:11 <jcorgan> yeah
 394 2014-05-19 06:46:49 <jcorgan> thought i said that with "compressed and uncompressed", but yeah, it's the same curve point
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 432 2014-05-19 07:26:35 <joebaker> I was trying to envoke bandwidth limiting on bitcoind  using "trickle"  but found it throwing segmentation faults -- I envoked it as such  "trickle -u 5000 -d 5000 -s /usr/bin/bitcoind"   - this on Ubuntu 13.10 machines 8 of them were yeilding similar results.  I've removed trickle and thus far, it seems stable after an hour or so.
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 434 2014-05-19 07:27:42 <joebaker> It's just an FYI -  plus these are on OpenVZ linux containers.
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 436 2014-05-19 07:30:37 <Luke-Jr> joebaker: sounds like a bug for trickle
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 445 2014-05-19 07:36:04 <joebaker> Thanks Luke-Jr - yes I think  that is correct.
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 460 2014-05-19 07:49:18 <arowser> joebaker: There is a sample for limit the outgoing bandwidth https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/contrib/qos/tc.sh
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 488 2014-05-19 08:22:12 <kostazert> Hi guys.
 489 2014-05-19 08:23:09 <kostazert> What is right boost version to comile bitcoin from source code on ubuntu 14.04?
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 492 2014-05-19 08:24:15 <kostazert> Anyone there?
 493 2014-05-19 08:25:06 <kostazert> Is this the right place to ask about bitcoin development?
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 496 2014-05-19 08:27:08 <michagogo> kostazert: 1.55 should be good, I think
 497 2014-05-19 08:28:05 <michagogo> 1.54 should also work, I think
 498 2014-05-19 08:28:16 <michagogo> IIRC 1.53 had problems at some point
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 500 2014-05-19 08:28:28 <kostazert> thanks!
 501 2014-05-19 08:28:31 <michagogo> np
 502 2014-05-19 08:28:35 <kostazert> Trying now...
 503 2014-05-19 08:28:58 <michagogo> (if you just install the package from Ubuntu's sources, I think it should work)
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 506 2014-05-19 08:29:41 <kostazert> But I want to compile it from scratch - to undertstand the steps
 507 2014-05-19 08:30:01 <michagogo> Compile boost itself from scratch? How come?
 508 2014-05-19 08:30:55 <kostazert> I mean to compile bitcoin from source code and all the needed libs on the way.
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 510 2014-05-19 08:31:18 <kostazert> Anyway, boost compiles in 13 minutes - I did it already...
 511 2014-05-19 08:32:31 <kostazert> I'm on Ubuntu 14.04 and the default boost is 1.54, which is not good AFAIK
 512 2014-05-19 08:32:45 <michagogo> I think 1.54 is fine, isn't it?
 513 2014-05-19 08:32:50 <michagogo> (could be wrong, though)
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 515 2014-05-19 08:33:04 <michagogo> IIRC 1.54 is fine, but there's something wrong with 1.53
 516 2014-05-19 08:33:21 <kostazert> Ok. Got it - 1.54 is ok.
 517 2014-05-19 08:33:40 <michagogo> But if you want to build it from scratch, go for it
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 520 2014-05-19 08:34:19 <michagogo> (out of curiosity, when you say "all the needed libs", are you including libc et al?
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 522 2014-05-19 08:34:27 <michagogo> )
 523 2014-05-19 08:34:34 <kostazert> Anyway, I need to compile libdb4.8.30, 'cause Ubuntu 14.04 has libdb5.3
 524 2014-05-19 08:34:49 <michagogo> Well, FSVO "need"
 525 2014-05-19 08:34:54 <kostazert> well, libc is excluded :-)
 526 2014-05-19 08:35:08 <michagogo> The bitcoin PPA has db4.8 packages
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 529 2014-05-19 08:35:31 <sipa> 5.1 will also work
 530 2014-05-19 08:35:38 <sipa> unsire about 5.3
 531 2014-05-19 08:35:39 <wumpus> kostazert: here are some steps to compile libdb yourself and build bitcoin against it https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/build-unix.md#berkeley-db
 532 2014-05-19 08:35:46 <wumpus> sipa: 5.3 works too
 533 2014-05-19 08:35:53 <sipa> ok, good
 534 2014-05-19 08:35:53 <warren> with 0.7.x I had trouble with 5.3
 535 2014-05-19 08:35:58 <warren> haven't tried since
 536 2014-05-19 08:36:01 <kostazert> oh, thanks wumpus
 537 2014-05-19 08:36:09 <kostazert> looking it up...
 538 2014-05-19 08:36:24 <wumpus> interoperability with other versions is a big question mark in that case
 539 2014-05-19 08:36:34 <warren> michagogo: had a chance to test 4189?
 540 2014-05-19 08:37:04 <warren> we have a remaining issue of something else leaking and breaking determinism, and intermittent configure loop
 541 2014-05-19 08:37:08 <michagogo> warren: ah, no -- I'll boot my VM now
 542 2014-05-19 08:37:27 <warren> michagogo: see if your build matches variant1 or variant2, or something else
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 544 2014-05-19 08:38:37 <michagogo> Correction: s/now/after VBox updates/
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 623 2014-05-19 09:58:14 <michagogo> warren: Okay, what needs doing now?
 624 2014-05-19 09:59:41 <michagogo> As of ebcf375e84a90c22ff00de28697eaf32a60ddc43, I have deba5750b02b6f1677b9c0749b25b7ec2b7bb5851ae03b277f5b22c06bbbb3bc  osx-depends-qt-5.2.0-r2.tar.gz
 625 2014-05-19 10:00:37 <michagogo> Did you say you wanted build.log from that?
 626 2014-05-19 10:02:00 <michagogo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7487778/
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 638 2014-05-19 10:09:37 <Gerendon> Any experienced developers around looking for work per chance?
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 662 2014-05-19 10:27:25 <kostazert> I followed https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/build-unix.md#berkeley-db guide.
 663 2014-05-19 10:27:36 <kostazert> libdb4.8 compiled ok
 664 2014-05-19 10:27:49 <kostazert> libdb4.8 installed ok into my bitcoin/db4 folder
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 666 2014-05-19 10:28:34 <kostazert> But bitcoin compilation fails with 'db_cxx.h: No such file'
 667 2014-05-19 10:29:25 <kostazert> I checked - 'bitcoin/db4/include/db_cxx.h' is there!
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 669 2014-05-19 10:29:43 <kostazert> Can anyone help on this?
 670 2014-05-19 10:29:46 <kostazert> Guys?
 671 2014-05-19 10:30:48 <kostazert> Anyone?
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 675 2014-05-19 10:31:53 <sipa> you'll either need to pass the path to those headers to configure/make, or put them in a standard location (/usr/include)
 676 2014-05-19 10:32:43 <kostazert> I did it by: ./configure LDFLAGS="-L./db4/lib/" CPPFLAGS="-I./db4/include/"
 677 2014-05-19 10:32:58 <kostazert> And also tried: make LDFLAGS="-L./db4/lib/" CPPFLAGS="-I./db4/include/"
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 679 2014-05-19 10:33:13 <kostazert> But the error is the same  :-(
 680 2014-05-19 10:33:19 <sipa> try absolute paths?
 681 2014-05-19 10:33:31 <kostazert> Ok. Checking...
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 684 2014-05-19 10:35:22 <kostazert> Coooooool! Passed the libdb error! Waiting for compilation to finish!
 685 2014-05-19 10:35:32 <kostazert> > sipe: Thanks man!
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 688 2014-05-19 10:37:35 <wumpus> yes, always use absolute paths
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 690 2014-05-19 10:37:49 <wumpus> relative paths don't work as the build works from different paths
 691 2014-05-19 10:37:49 <kostazert> Now I got it.   :-)
 692 2014-05-19 10:38:01 <kostazert> Thanks, wumpus!
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 694 2014-05-19 10:39:13 <Luke-Jr> $PWD is useful
 695 2014-05-19 10:39:43 <wumpus> yes that's actually what I use here https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/build-unix.md#berkeley-db
 696 2014-05-19 10:39:52 <wumpus> well, $(pwd) instead of $PWD but heh
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 704 2014-05-19 10:44:49 <kostazert> I just did all the steps manually..., hence, this mistake with relative path.   :-(
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 706 2014-05-19 10:47:02 <kostazert> Cool! Bitcoin compiled in ~10 minutes!
 707 2014-05-19 10:47:50 <wumpus> that's quick!
 708 2014-05-19 10:47:59 <wumpus> lots of memory?
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 713 2014-05-19 10:50:13 <michagogo> warren: building qt 5.2.1 osx on commit 0173fa15c4301cbd3079944023ac7c5c0c37a5a7 now
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 715 2014-05-19 10:50:58 <kostazert> Added pull request to fix build-unix.md
 716 2014-05-19 10:51:00 <kostazert> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4195
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 726 2014-05-19 10:59:25 <michagogo> warren: erm, that link is wrong: http://michagogo.cadoth.net/build.log.qt-5.2.0-ebcf375e84a90c22ff00de28697eaf32a60ddc43
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 764 2014-05-19 11:25:32 <michagogo> wumpus: "Bitcoind was part of the Ubuntu default repos for a while, but they don't upgrade versions as we need to. This resulted in Ubuntu 12.04 stable being stuck with 0.3.xx forever. It would be even worse for Debian Stable, which has even older versions of packages." <-- Unfortunately, it still is, up through saucy :-/
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 772 2014-05-19 11:34:16 <minium> on ubuntu just go on https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/bitcoin and add that repo
 773 2014-05-19 11:34:42 <minium> then you'll have the freshest version (0.9.1)
 774 2014-05-19 11:36:16 <michagogo> minium: yes, I know
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 830 2014-05-19 12:23:31 <minium> is there any specification file for JSON-RPC in bitcoind?
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 832 2014-05-19 12:23:41 <minium> something like https://github.com/cinemast/libjson-rpc-cpp#step-1-writing-the-specification-file
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 843 2014-05-19 12:33:22 <cbeams> minium: no, but coryfields has been doing some thinking along these lines. You might want to connect with him.
 844 2014-05-19 12:33:38 <minium> cbeams: alright, thanks
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 850 2014-05-19 12:36:44 <minium> cbeams: are you aware of any possibilities to integrate some self-made software with bitcoind using JSON-RPC?
 851 2014-05-19 12:37:09 <wumpus> minium: no, though you can get info on every function with the help call
 852 2014-05-19 12:37:44 <wumpus> (and get a list of functions if you pass help without argument)
 853 2014-05-19 12:38:16 <sipa> automatically generating such a specification file (similar to how help is generated) would be useful too
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 855 2014-05-19 12:38:43 <minium> it seems rather ugly that rpcclient.h + rpcclient.cpp is built as a command-line parser
 856 2014-05-19 12:38:52 <wumpus> minium: that's just the client
 857 2014-05-19 12:39:07 <wumpus> minium: that's completely not interesting if you're looking to use it in your application, you should look at the servers
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 859 2014-05-19 12:39:29 <sipa> it would be nice if rpcclient would load the specification file from the server, and use that to do type conversions & stuff
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 862 2014-05-19 12:39:34 <minium> wumpus: yea, but I want to built my own client software to control the server
 863 2014-05-19 12:39:44 <sipa> you can do that
 864 2014-05-19 12:39:56 <minium> sipa: with the rpcserver files?
 865 2014-05-19 12:39:59 <sipa> no
 866 2014-05-19 12:40:04 <wumpus> JSON RPC bindings are available for many languages 
 867 2014-05-19 12:40:06 <sipa> rpccserver is part of bitcoind
 868 2014-05-19 12:40:06 <minium> how then?
 869 2014-05-19 12:40:12 <sipa> by talking json-rpc to bitcoind
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 871 2014-05-19 12:40:44 <sipa> that specification file is for that specific software package to automatically generate stubs to communicate
 872 2014-05-19 12:40:50 <minium> sipa: correct me if I'm wrong, but for that I'd have to encode all existing commands?
 873 2014-05-19 12:40:52 <sipa> but you can do it manually
 874 2014-05-19 12:41:04 <sipa> there are libraries for many languages available already
 875 2014-05-19 12:41:30 <wumpus> in Python you just need a proxy object, no need to encode any commands, they are wrapped automatically
 876 2014-05-19 12:41:30 <sipa> you likely only need a few commands
 877 2014-05-19 12:41:44 <wumpus> what language are you using?
 878 2014-05-19 12:41:47 <minium> sipa: ideally, what I'm imagining, is to include a header file with all the RPC's and just use them
 879 2014-05-19 12:41:49 <minium> C++
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 882 2014-05-19 12:43:04 <wumpus> yeah, including the header file isn't going to work, it won't magically wrap calls to another process in a lower-level language like C++
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 889 2014-05-19 12:45:29 <minium> I've found an example in Python https://gist.githubusercontent.com/shirriff/bfc4df70a02732493a28/raw/bitcoin-insertion-tool.py
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 892 2014-05-19 12:46:07 <minium> wumpus: like you said, in it you only use a proxy object and everything else is taken care of for you
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 894 2014-05-19 12:46:56 <minium> something like that for C++ would be nice
 895 2014-05-19 12:47:50 <wumpus> there are json-rpc libraries for C++ too
 896 2014-05-19 12:48:14 <hearn> hey guys
 897 2014-05-19 12:48:21 <minium> hearn: hey
 898 2014-05-19 12:48:40 <wumpus> although you can't have a 'nice' proxy object as in python, but with some more verbosity you'll be able to accomplish the same
 899 2014-05-19 12:48:41 <minium> wumpus: would I be able to use them like in the python-example I've stated above?
 900 2014-05-19 12:48:44 <wumpus> hearn: hey
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 902 2014-05-19 12:48:52 <wumpus> minium: sure
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 916 2014-05-19 13:01:26 <michagogo> How far in advance do you think a hard-fork would need to happen to protect against the year 2106 problem?
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 929 2014-05-19 13:14:27 <wumpus> I'm quite sure that won't cause a hard-fork at all, by 2106 everyone will have upgraded to a version after 0.9
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 932 2014-05-19 13:16:57 <michagogo> wumpus: Hm? At some point, some version needs to allocate more bits to the various timestamp fields
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 934 2014-05-19 13:17:22 <michagogo> (well, those of them that are 32 bits)
 935 2014-05-19 13:17:23 <michagogo> Including the block timestamp
 936 2014-05-19 13:17:39 <wumpus> oh, I thought you were talking about the BIP42 problem
 937 2014-05-19 13:17:45 <michagogo> Hmm?
 938 2014-05-19 13:17:51 <michagogo> ;;google BIP42
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 940 2014-05-19 13:17:51 <gribble> bips/bip-0042.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub: <https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0042.mediawiki>; bips/bip-0042 at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub: <https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/tree/master/bip-0042>; Bitcoin / Mailing Lists - SourceForge: <http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/32175008/>
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 943 2014-05-19 13:18:27 <wumpus> but yes the timestamps need to be bumped to 64 bit as well at some point (and maybe 128 bit later)
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 947 2014-05-19 13:18:49 <wumpus> or even better, use a varint
 948 2014-05-19 13:19:06 <michagogo> The Y2106 problem is like the Y2038 problem, but for unsigned numbers
 949 2014-05-19 13:19:30 <michagogo> Erm, I think 64 bits are plenty...
 950 2014-05-19 13:20:03 <Luke-Jr> 32-bit is plenty for a block timestamp
 951 2014-05-19 13:20:09 <michagogo> Quote: Using a signed 64-bit value introduces a new wraparound date that is over twenty times greater than the estimated age of the universe: approximately 292 billion years from now, at 15:30:08 on Sunday, 4 December 292,277,026,596.
 952 2014-05-19 13:20:28 <michagogo> Luke-Jr: How do you mean? Just let it wrap around?
 953 2014-05-19 13:20:34 <Luke-Jr> michagogo: sure, why not? :P
 954 2014-05-19 13:20:41 <michagogo> Well, that's still a hardfork
 955 2014-05-19 13:20:46 <michagogo> (right?)
 956 2014-05-19 13:20:53 <wumpus> well if we plan for 2106 we may as well plan for the year 1 billion right, we'll be just as dead in both
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 961 2014-05-19 13:21:14 <Luke-Jr> probably is
 962 2014-05-19 13:21:24 <michagogo> Luke-Jr: I assume it would need to know that it wrapped around
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 964 2014-05-19 13:21:49 <michagogo> wumpus: erm, 64 bits is planning for the year ~58 billion
 965 2014-05-19 13:21:50 <Luke-Jr> might as well just truncate the last 8 bits when it overflows :P
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 969 2014-05-19 13:22:35 <michagogo> But the wrap-around idea may actually work
 970 2014-05-19 13:22:55 <Luke-Jr> anyhow, we have at least 23 more years to think about it :p
 971 2014-05-19 13:22:56 <michagogo> And if it's decided to do that, the software change could be made now
 972 2014-05-19 13:23:02 <wumpus> yeah - wrap around would be better, wouldn't need to break compatibility with old clients when it is implemented
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 974 2014-05-19 13:23:32 <michagogo> Virtually guaranteeing that nobody will be using the unupdated software when the hard-fork triggers
 975 2014-05-19 13:23:35 <wumpus> sure, in 2106 the old clients will still fail, but let's assume no one will be running current versions at that time anymore
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 977 2014-05-19 13:23:50 <wumpus> right
 978 2014-05-19 13:24:35 <michagogo> hmm
 979 2014-05-19 13:24:49 <Luke-Jr> we should just expand the block header to 144 bytes at some hardfork :p
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 981 2014-05-19 13:25:30 <michagogo> 144?
 982 2014-05-19 13:25:37 <michagogo> Expand the nonce?
 983 2014-05-19 13:25:44 <Luke-Jr> sure
 984 2014-05-19 13:25:52 <Luke-Jr> 144 is compatible with *almost* all existing miners
 985 2014-05-19 13:26:01 <Luke-Jr> basically just not Avalon2/3
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 987 2014-05-19 13:26:18 <Luke-Jr> and breaks stratum/GBT too, of course, but that's mere software
 988 2014-05-19 13:26:37 <wumpus> yeah, breaking hardware miners would be bad, even worse than a normal hard fork
 989 2014-05-19 13:26:40 <Luke-Jr> (you just have 2 blocks in the SHA2 midstate instead of 1)
 990 2014-05-19 13:26:48 <michagogo> ;;blocks
 991 2014-05-19 13:26:49 <gribble> 301553
 992 2014-05-19 13:27:04 <michagogo> We'd have around 5 million blocks by then
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 994 2014-05-19 13:27:29 <Luke-Jr> as hardware moves more processing into the hardware, the ability to hardfork the block header without breaking compat drops
 995 2014-05-19 13:27:41 <Luke-Jr> so it might actually be better to hardfork for 144 byte headers sooner rather than later
 996 2014-05-19 13:27:41 <michagogo> Right
 997 2014-05-19 13:28:11 <wumpus> though if you plan ahead far enough, it's not a problem, let's say that you make the change by 2080, hardware vendors can prepare well in advance
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 999 2014-05-19 13:28:40 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: why would they do that, when they can just take advantage of the hardfork to force miners to upgrade? ;)
1000 2014-05-19 13:28:53 <wumpus> hehe
1001 2014-05-19 13:30:00 <michagogo> 16:24:50 <Luke-Jr> so it might actually be better to hardfork for 144 byte headers sooner rather than later <-- Hmm, that's an interesting point
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1003 2014-05-19 13:30:19 <michagogo> I wonder if it may be worth starting this discussion seriously
1004 2014-05-19 13:31:15 <minium> wumpus: I see somebody has already implemented an interface for JSON-RPC communication with the wallet (https://github.com/neojjang/bitcoinapi)
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1009 2014-05-19 13:34:12 <wumpus> well you can always propose it on the mailing list with some good reasons, and maybe write a BIP, there's no saying when it will be done but it doesn't hurt to have a concrete proposal
1010 2014-05-19 13:34:35 <wumpus> minium: great!
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1049 2014-05-19 14:09:00 <devthink_> I asked this question about Bitcoin-Qt on Sunday. Given that the RPC password and wallet passphrase are in place, is there any reason not to return CORS headers to a browser. (CORS headers circumvent the browser's "same origin" policy). Also, the CORS header could be restricted to localhost.
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1051 2014-05-19 14:09:53 <wumpus> when does bitcoin-qt interact with a browser?
1052 2014-05-19 14:09:54 <KuDeTa> is there some kind of stats package i can use to monitor my bitcoind nodes behaviour?
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1054 2014-05-19 14:11:12 <devthink_> A page script would be dlownloaded from (my) Bitcoin site.  I would be able to submit RPC commands (like listunspent) to the wallet and display the results in the browser.
1055 2014-05-19 14:11:16 <wumpus> KuDeTa: see http://statoshi.info/ https://jlopp.github.io/statoshi/
1056 2014-05-19 14:11:35 <wumpus> KuDeTa: you can already get some basic statistics though JSON RPC though, depending on what you want
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1058 2014-05-19 14:12:07 <KuDeTa> just somethin i can load into apache and monitor load/transactions/network etc. Will check those links, thanks
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1060 2014-05-19 14:13:07 <wumpus> devthink_: hmm I wouldn't be opposed to optionally returning an extra header, if there is a usecase for that
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1065 2014-05-19 14:15:23 <devthink_> the use case would be to allow a JS page script (rather than a downloaded App) to access the wallet.
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1067 2014-05-19 14:16:37 <wumpus> but would that work? can a script in a browser do JSON RPC?
1068 2014-05-19 14:16:57 <KuDeTa> this satoshi.info thing looks great wumpus
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1071 2014-05-19 14:18:31 <KuDeTa> its a fork of bitcoind?
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1073 2014-05-19 14:18:54 <devthink_> wumpus: yes, a script can perform JSON-RPC just like any other HTTP access. however, the browser's "same origin" policy precludes access away from the original web site.
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1076 2014-05-19 14:19:33 <devthink_> CORS headers tells the browser that it is ok to access the foreign site
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1078 2014-05-19 14:20:46 <wumpus> devthink_: I'd say, experiment with it a bit to see if it really works, and if it does submit a pull
1079 2014-05-19 14:21:11 <devthink_> ok
1080 2014-05-19 14:21:23 <wumpus> KuDeTa: yes, it needs some changes to the source code to issue events to stats
1081 2014-05-19 14:21:25 <wumpus> +d
1082 2014-05-19 14:21:42 <KuDeTa> hmm cool
1083 2014-05-19 14:21:50 <KuDeTa> need to upgrade to 14.04 to make my life easier
1084 2014-05-19 14:22:05 <KuDeTa> a(ubuntu, that is) anyway, thanks dude
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1086 2014-05-19 14:22:49 <devthink_> also FYI, when accessing bitcointalk from FF, I get "The OCSP server experienced an internal error."
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1090 2014-05-19 14:24:46 <Ry4an> you don't need CORS headers on the JSON endpoints if you support jsonp.  That's how everyone idd it before the CORS spec and still the modst common.
1091 2014-05-19 14:26:38 <wumpus> that would need more changes to bitcoind than just adding a header
1092 2014-05-19 14:26:57 <anton000> how much mem is ideal for bitcoind node now?
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1094 2014-05-19 14:28:13 <wumpus> 1GB
1095 2014-05-19 14:28:24 <anton000> for it alone yes? :)
1096 2014-05-19 14:28:25 <anton000> ok
1097 2014-05-19 14:28:45 <anton000> 2014-05-19 13:42:38 Pre-allocating up to position 0x8000000 in blk00140.dat
1098 2014-05-19 14:28:45 <anton000> 2014-05-19 13:42:41
1099 2014-05-19 14:28:45 <anton000> ************************
1100 2014-05-19 14:28:45 <anton000> EXCEPTION: St9bad_alloc
1101 2014-05-19 14:28:45 <anton000> std::bad_alloc
1102 2014-05-19 14:28:45 <anton000> bitcoin in ProcessMessages()
1103 2014-05-19 14:29:12 <wumpus> my node has 1.5GB but it seems that bitcoind never grows larger than ~600MB (resident)
1104 2014-05-19 14:29:13 <anton000> got a bad alloc error ona small box with 512mb free
1105 2014-05-19 14:29:40 <wumpus> that's with 0.9.2?
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1107 2014-05-19 14:29:51 <anton000> 0.9.1
1108 2014-05-19 14:29:56 <wumpus> eh, yes
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1110 2014-05-19 14:30:03 <kjj> if I recall, that message has nothing to do with memory
1111 2014-05-19 14:30:19 <wumpus> you could try reducing the dbcache size
1112 2014-05-19 14:30:50 <KuDeTa> another question: my cpu usage with bitcoind is through the roof (150%!!) - is that just becasue i'm still catchig up? What are the min recommended specs?
1113 2014-05-19 14:30:52 <wumpus> the default is 100mb, but it will run with 10mb or so
1114 2014-05-19 14:31:30 <wumpus> I don't think we have any other tunable parameters that affect memory use
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1116 2014-05-19 14:32:17 <wumpus> KuDeTa: it can use 100% of all your cores while catching up, if that is too much set the paralellism with -par command line flag
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1119 2014-05-19 14:32:55 <KuDeTa> cheers wumpus - i can expect it to drop dramatically when it has caught up fully?
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1121 2014-05-19 14:32:57 <wumpus> there are no min recommended specs for the CPU, even a lowly ARM box can keep up once synced up
1122 2014-05-19 14:33:05 <wumpus> yes
1123 2014-05-19 14:33:11 <KuDeTa> no worries then, thanks
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1126 2014-05-19 14:34:36 <KuDeTa> i wonder if hte devs will decide to incentivise running nodes one day
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1130 2014-05-19 14:35:35 <wumpus> if no one runs nodes, the network will die... that's enough incentive isn't it :)
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1132 2014-05-19 14:36:05 <anton000> use cpulimit ?
1133 2014-05-19 14:36:11 <kjj> the devs have no power to incentivise
1134 2014-05-19 14:36:14 <KuDeTa> yea, i guess the worry is that it doesn't make sense for the average user to do..and certainly won't one we get good SPV clients etc. Might be smart to avoid node centralisation
1135 2014-05-19 14:36:37 <stonecoldpat> it wouldnt be the dev's role to provide an incentive - they make the software - they aren't responsible for making people use it
1136 2014-05-19 14:36:59 <wumpus> average users really don't need to run nodes
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1139 2014-05-19 14:38:39 <KuDeTa> there is a model of some kind though right? Some of the alt coins are doing it if i remember correct. I guess we learned a lot form the way mining has turned out, i think it would be nice to avoid the same centralisation of nodes, and have a good number of average webdev's/server operators doing it rather than some big companies.
1140 2014-05-19 14:39:11 <KuDeTa> what do they call them? Masternodes or something
1141 2014-05-19 14:39:13 <wumpus> agree on webdevs/server operators, that's not 'average users'
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1143 2014-05-19 14:40:03 <anton000> 0.9.2 realased?
1144 2014-05-19 14:40:05 <wumpus> it should just be easy to set up a node
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1146 2014-05-19 14:40:35 <KuDeTa> no no, i agree wumpus - think i also read somewhere that actually many of the 'nodes' currently running are a little bit harmful if people are trying to do it on home broadband with limited connections/no open ports
1147 2014-05-19 14:41:27 <wumpus> and indeed, more aimed at people that manage servers or VPSes with big pipes, sysadmins, developers, etc, the 'let's make it part of the wallet!' really doesn't make sense anymore
1148 2014-05-19 14:41:42 <KuDeTa> ah yes it's DarkCoin that uses the masternode concept
1149 2014-05-19 14:41:59 <wumpus> anton000: when? :p
1150 2014-05-19 14:42:19 <wumpus> when I said 0.9.2 above it was just a typo
1151 2014-05-19 14:42:45 <anton000> lol
1152 2014-05-19 14:43:02 <wumpus> 0.9.2 won't take long anymore though, we have some issues with the gitian mac build to work out
1153 2014-05-19 14:44:19 <gavinandresen> wumpus: I'm happy to build the osx 0.9.2 binaries if gitian mac build takes too long (and I'd suggest you set a deadline so it doesn't drag out too long)
1154 2014-05-19 14:44:25 <anton000> releases got harder cause of static builds
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1159 2014-05-19 14:46:09 <wumpus> gavinandresen: yes good point
1160 2014-05-19 14:46:38 <wumpus> anton000: huh?
1161 2014-05-19 14:47:23 <anton000> supposed to be a question
1162 2014-05-19 14:47:42 <anton000> did it?
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1165 2014-05-19 14:48:32 <wumpus> anton000: not really, it's still the same gitian build, but macosx was never built using that
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1169 2014-05-19 14:50:36 <wumpus> maybe even if we don't manage to get the macosx gitian build 100% determinisic it could be useful, at least it gives a consistent way of building executables for macosx with qt5
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1254 2014-05-19 15:47:24 <RocketNuts> if I have two bitcoind nodes running separately on the same system, each with a different data dir (and different port, different wallet etc), how can I interact with each of them from the command line?
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1256 2014-05-19 15:47:43 <RocketNuts> e.g. if I do bitcoind getinfo, what instance will it get the info from? (and how do I specify which instance I need?)
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1259 2014-05-19 15:48:32 <kjj> usually quickest to specify the config file with the port info
1260 2014-05-19 15:48:43 <kjj> but you can specify a server and port too
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1262 2014-05-19 15:50:55 <RocketNuts> how do you mean? I started one instance with "bitcoind -daemon" (using the default ~/.bitcoin/ data dir, which has a bitcoin.conf which specifies no port, so it uses default 8333) and another with "bitcoind --datadir=~/.bitcoin2 -daemon" and ~/.bitcoin2/bitcoin.conf contains a port= setting (so it uses another port)
1263 2014-05-19 15:51:08 <RocketNuts> now if I do bitcoind getinfo, it gets the first instance,
1264 2014-05-19 15:51:20 <kjj> bitcoind -conf=~/.bitcoin2/bitcoin.conf getinfo
1265 2014-05-19 15:51:42 <michagogo> s/bitcoind/bitcoin-cli/
1266 2014-05-19 15:51:45 <RocketNuts> ah, ok, so also for sending commands it will then interact with whatever instance is running using that same config?
1267 2014-05-19 15:51:57 <michagogo> Using bitcoind for sending commands is deprecated
1268 2014-05-19 15:52:15 <RocketNuts> oh, should that be bitcoin-cli nowadays?
1269 2014-05-19 15:52:22 <michagogo> yep
1270 2014-05-19 15:52:26 <kjj> the client will use the same address and port info for the query that the daemon used to bind itself
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1272 2014-05-19 15:52:33 <RocketNuts> what's bitcoind for, just the daemon?
1273 2014-05-19 15:53:00 <RocketNuts> should I still do "bitcoind -daemon" to start a daemon in the background? (and, optionally, do the same with --datadir=otherdir for additional daemon instances) ?
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1276 2014-05-19 15:54:15 <kjj> you should probably write a couple of scripts for your init system that handle startup and shutdown
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1287 2014-05-19 16:05:56 <RocketNuts> kjj I can't figure out how to get it running actually.. I have one default bitcoin core installed and running (0.9.1) with ./bitcoin as data dir (containing bitcoin.conf and blocks dir etc), all running fine
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1289 2014-05-19 16:06:49 <RocketNuts> also got a ./bitcoin2 data dir (containing a bitcoin.conf as well, which specifies port=9444) but I can't seem to get a bitcoin daemon instance running with that second dir & config..?
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1291 2014-05-19 16:07:50 <kjj> here is the line from my init scripts:
1292 2014-05-19 16:07:52 <kjj> sudo -u bitcoind $BINFILE -conf=$CONFFILE -pid=$PIDFILE -daemon -datadir=$DATADIR
1293 2014-05-19 16:08:23 <RocketNuts> For example, I try "bitcoind --datadir=~/.bitcoin2 --conf=~/.bitcoin2/bitcoin.conf --port=9444 -daemon" but it keeps saying data directory "~/.bitcoin2" does not exist. But it does.
1294 2014-05-19 16:08:37 <RocketNuts> ok and what is $DATADIR, exactly?
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1296 2014-05-19 16:08:49 <RocketNuts> with or without trailing /, with or without quotes, etc?
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1299 2014-05-19 16:09:30 <kjj> with leading and trailing slashes, and enclosed in quotes, in my system
1300 2014-05-19 16:09:51 <RocketNuts> ok
1301 2014-05-19 16:09:59 <RocketNuts> and $BINFILE? (I don't seem to specify that here)
1302 2014-05-19 16:10:05 <RocketNuts> oh and -pid param, good point
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1304 2014-05-19 16:10:22 <kjj> BINFILE is /usr/local/bin/bitcoind on my system
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1307 2014-05-19 16:12:22 <RocketNuts> damn... it keeps saying: data directory "~/.bitcoin2" does not exist
1308 2014-05-19 16:12:31 <RocketNuts> but the dir is really there (and with all access rights etc)
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1317 2014-05-19 16:17:28 <wumpus> dont use ~
1318 2014-05-19 16:17:33 <wumpus> but $HOME
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1321 2014-05-19 16:18:58 <RocketNuts> ah, right
1322 2014-05-19 16:19:28 <MarkyRamone> anyone can give me just one node of the testnet3 network?
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1616 2014-05-19 19:18:39 <helo> mappum: yep, see IsRoutable() in netbase.cpp
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1663 2014-05-19 19:55:28 <aschildbach> How do I enable bitcoin core to log incoming transactions into the debug.log?
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1670 2014-05-19 19:56:06 <aschildbach> actually not those in my wallet, but p2p transaction messages.
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1711 2014-05-19 19:59:31 <helo> just the txid?
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1720 2014-05-19 20:01:02 <helo> i think -debug=mempool
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1725 2014-05-19 20:02:37 <aschildbach> helo: according to the doc, -debug is set to all by default
1726 2014-05-19 20:02:48 <Cocodude> Hello. Is there a known issue with bitcoind whereby it forgets the current settxfee setting?
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1732 2014-05-19 20:04:08 <helo> aschildbach: -debug alone will cause everything to be shown. supplying -debug=mempool will only show mempool-tagged message. omitting -debug will suppress all LogPrint() messages.
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1736 2014-05-19 20:05:25 <sipa> Cocodude: define forget?
1737 2014-05-19 20:05:31 <sipa> did you restart?
1738 2014-05-19 20:05:33 <Cocodude> No
1739 2014-05-19 20:05:52 <sipa> how did you observe it being forgotten?
1740 2014-05-19 20:05:53 <Cocodude> It just randomly... forgets! I can't figure out in what instances but it drops down to 0.
1741 2014-05-19 20:06:01 <Cocodude> When I get told my someone, "Oi, my transfer is taking ages"
1742 2014-05-19 20:06:08 <sipa> hmm
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1744 2014-05-19 20:06:21 <Cocodude> Can I get the bitcoind uptime just to be absolutely sure it didn't somehow restart itself?
1745 2014-05-19 20:06:45 <wumpus> easiest way would be to check debug.log
1746 2014-05-19 20:06:49 <sipa> you can look in debug.log for the first line after dtartup
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1748 2014-05-19 20:07:04 <sipa> look for the string 'Bitfoin' in the file
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1750 2014-05-19 20:07:12 <sipa> *Bitcoin
1751 2014-05-19 20:07:14 <helo> sipa_phone_typist
1752 2014-05-19 20:07:26 <sipa> helo knows me too well
1753 2014-05-19 20:07:30 <Cocodude> 2014-04-14 - ages ago
1754 2014-05-19 20:07:37 <aschildbach> so I put "debug" in a file called "bitcoin.conf" and it should show tx messages.
1755 2014-05-19 20:07:45 <helo> aschildbach: debug=1
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1757 2014-05-19 20:07:51 <Cocodude> Should debug.log log and settxfee RPC call changes?
1758 2014-05-19 20:07:58 <Cocodude> *any
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1760 2014-05-19 20:08:19 <helo> aschildbach: that will show all LogPrint() messages. on the command-line, -debug implies -debug=1 afaik
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1763 2014-05-19 20:08:55 <wumpus> the only thing that changes nTransactionFee is the settxfee call
1764 2014-05-19 20:09:01 <wumpus> (apart from appinit)
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1767 2014-05-19 20:09:17 <Cocodude> wumpus: That's what I thought. So I should get log messages for settxfee presumably
1768 2014-05-19 20:09:29 <aschildbach> helo: I dont see any
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1770 2014-05-19 20:09:37 <aschildbach> I see version messages
1771 2014-05-19 20:09:40 <aschildbach> and clients connecting
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1773 2014-05-19 20:09:44 <aschildbach> but no transactions
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1775 2014-05-19 20:10:28 <aschildbach> my bitcoin.conf contains debug=1
1776 2014-05-19 20:10:49 <wumpus> Cocodude: seemingly the GUI can also change it, in the options dialog
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1778 2014-05-19 20:10:58 <Cocodude> I don't use the GUI
1779 2014-05-19 20:11:05 <wumpus> then you can forget about that one
1780 2014-05-19 20:11:26 <Cocodude> Should debug.log contain debug entries for when settxfee is called (e.g. bitcoind settxfee 0.0001)?
1781 2014-05-19 20:11:41 <helo> aschildbach: hmm, yeah that seems to be how it behaves without setting debug at all
1782 2014-05-19 20:11:41 <Cocodude> I don't see any, even when I run it now
1783 2014-05-19 20:12:11 <aschildbach> the debug=1 is also not documented -- I wonder if it still exists
1784 2014-05-19 20:12:24 <wumpus> aschildbach: yes it does, it enables all debugging
1785 2014-05-19 20:12:30 <wumpus> it's the same as plain -debug
1786 2014-05-19 20:12:33 <helo> it might be filtering for all LogPrint("1", ...) messages
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1788 2014-05-19 20:12:51 <aschildbach> Ok then, how can I see all incoming transaction messages and more importantly, errors about rejections
1789 2014-05-19 20:13:04 <wumpus> -debug should show them
1790 2014-05-19 20:13:10 <aschildbach> it doesn't
1791 2014-05-19 20:13:16 <wumpus> then there is nothing that logs them
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1793 2014-05-19 20:13:22 <helo> debug=1 in my bitcoin.conf doesn't seem to be showing anything more than no debug
1794 2014-05-19 20:13:23 <aschildbach> at least in the current 0.9.2 branch version
1795 2014-05-19 20:13:31 <helo> aschildbach: try debug=mempool
1796 2014-05-19 20:13:49 <aschildbach> helo: I tried debug=mempool,net  it didn't work
1797 2014-05-19 20:13:57 <aschildbach> I think the debug parameter is not working any more at all
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1799 2014-05-19 20:14:26 <helo> debug=mempool in my bitcoin.conf shows AcceptToMemoryPool messages
1800 2014-05-19 20:14:30 <helo> running git head
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1802 2014-05-19 20:14:37 <sipa> not all rejections cause an error afaik
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1804 2014-05-19 20:14:58 <wumpus> aschildbach: try -debug=
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1806 2014-05-19 20:15:17 <aschildbach> wumpus: tried that already -- no effect
1807 2014-05-19 20:15:22 <wumpus> looks like it checks for an empty category in LogAcceptCategory
1808 2014-05-19 20:15:41 <hearn> aschildbach: how do you know it’s being rejected?
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1810 2014-05-19 20:15:59 <aschildbach> hearn: I don't know -- this is why I want to read the log.
1811 2014-05-19 20:16:17 <hearn> do you see it in getrawmempool or whatever the command is?
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1813 2014-05-19 20:16:36 <aschildbach> fwiw: I'm on commit 4b8a3ab877ceef0751839deafa401b01c492f7b1
1814 2014-05-19 20:16:40 <wumpus> -debug works fine for me on master, it dumps all kind of network debugging at least
1815 2014-05-19 20:16:47 <aschildbach> I think that is just after 0.9.2 was branched off
1816 2014-05-19 20:16:51 <sipa> same
1817 2014-05-19 20:17:05 <Cocodude> Sorry again, but should debug.log contain log entries when I manually type in 'bitcoind settxfee X'? I'm just trying to be absolutely, absolutely sure I'm not setting the fee somewhere.
1818 2014-05-19 20:17:08 <aschildbach> Has any of you tried 0.9.2?
1819 2014-05-19 20:17:23 <wumpus> Cocodude: RPC calls are not normally logged
1820 2014-05-19 20:17:42 <Cocodude> getbalance seems to be logged - is that an exception?
1821 2014-05-19 20:18:05 <sipa> afaik alll rpcs except getblocktemplate and getwork are logged
1822 2014-05-19 20:18:22 <wumpus> only with -debug=rpc right?
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1824 2014-05-19 20:18:33 <sipa> oh, possibly
1825 2014-05-19 20:18:54 <wumpus> LogPrint("rpc", "ThreadRPCServer method=%s\n", strMethod);
1826 2014-05-19 20:19:03 <Cocodude> I'm actually not using -debug at all any more, but it's still outputting a reasonable amount of debug.
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1829 2014-05-19 20:19:12 <Cocodude> Ah, the getbalance was from back in March, presumably < 0.9
1830 2014-05-19 20:19:57 <Cocodude> I'll add -debug=rpc and restart
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1832 2014-05-19 20:20:56 <aschildbach> I'm startig bitcoin-qt with -testnet -debug=1 and it has debug=1 in the bitcoin.conf -- yet I don't see any transactions floating around.
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1836 2014-05-19 20:21:37 <aschildbach> I'm connected to 10 peers.
1837 2014-05-19 20:22:06 Guest85313 is now known as [EddyF]
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1840 2014-05-19 20:23:15 <aschildbach> Damn if only peter todd could fix his DNS seed. Then I would not need this bitcoin-qt setup.
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1842 2014-05-19 20:23:53 <Cocodude> OK, I'll get back if the settxfee thing happens again after debug is enabled. Thanks.
1843 2014-05-19 20:24:11 <jcorgan> hmm.  my long-lived bitcoind-behind-Tor instance has slowly decreased to 44 connections, from a peak of 108
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1849 2014-05-19 20:27:50 <wumpus> -debug=1 doesn't work for me either, it's really -debug=
1850 2014-05-19 20:27:57 <wumpus> or -debug
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1852 2014-05-19 20:28:57 <wumpus>   -debug=<category>      Output debugging information (default: 0, supplying <category> is optional)
1853 2014-05-19 20:28:57 <wumpus>                          If <category> is not supplied, output all debugging information.
1854 2014-05-19 20:29:06 <wumpus> that's also what the help output seems to imply
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1858 2014-05-19 20:32:00 <wumpus> though it would be helpful (and symmetric to other settings) if -debug=1 was a synonym for -debug
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1873 2014-05-19 20:43:06 <helo> jcorgan: i have noticed fewer on mine as well, although mine isn't as long-lived as i restart it with updates every week or so
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1876 2014-05-19 20:44:06 <helo> not sure if the same trend is seen on ipv4...
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1879 2014-05-19 20:44:50 <helo> i can't keep ipv4 bitcoind running -listen or it puts me over my data allowance
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1886 2014-05-19 20:47:18 <jcorgan> mine is on EC2.  i should try listen on ipv4 and see quickly it hits 125 :)
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1914 2014-05-19 21:02:44 <wumpus> mine (ipv4 only) usually hovers around 60 connections
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1918 2014-05-19 21:05:03 <JackH> how come you get that high?
1919 2014-05-19 21:05:10 <JackH> isnt default set to 8? or 12=
1920 2014-05-19 21:05:19 <JackH> or you just removed it?
1921 2014-05-19 21:06:02 <helo> if you aren't behind a firewall (or have upnp working) you will accept up to 125 inbound connections by default
1922 2014-05-19 21:06:13 <helo> otherwise, you'll just have 8 outbound connections
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1924 2014-05-19 21:07:14 <helo> i suppose that may be "125 minus 8" inbound connections
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1928 2014-05-19 21:08:41 <sipa> indeed
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1935 2014-05-19 21:11:06 <hearn> sipa: when chain syncing if i see lots of messages like “ProcessBlock: ORPHAN BLOCK 316” is that indicative of parallel downloading of the block chain?
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1942 2014-05-19 21:12:25 <sipa> not parallel, out of orser
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1944 2014-05-19 21:12:28 <sipa> *order
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1947 2014-05-19 21:13:42 <hearn> right but that can only happen if we end up downloading from multiple peers, right?
1948 2014-05-19 21:13:52 <hearn> the code won’t actually request or send blocks out of order, will it?
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1951 2014-05-19 21:14:15 <sipa> well, there is no state related to "now we are downloading"
1952 2014-05-19 21:14:22 <sipa> it just fetches whatever peers announce
1953 2014-05-19 21:14:39 <sipa> i'm not sure it necessarily means we're downloading from multiple peers
1954 2014-05-19 21:14:49 <sipa> perhaps it's two sybcs from the same peer
1955 2014-05-19 21:15:02 <sipa> *syncs
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1957 2014-05-19 21:15:25 <hearn> in bitcoinj i solve this by just having a single download peer and refusing to getblocks from any other
1958 2014-05-19 21:15:28 <hearn> it works ok
1959 2014-05-19 21:15:46 <sipa> yeah oerhaps we should have done something similar
1960 2014-05-19 21:16:36 <hearn> i’m thinking it might be a quick way to provide bandwidth relief to the network
1961 2014-05-19 21:16:38 <sipa> i think i wrote a proposal for that somewhere
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1966 2014-05-19 21:17:34 <sipa> hearn: unless it goes up to 750, it's not actually wasteful
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1971 2014-05-19 21:19:31 <hearn> sipa: hmm. how come? if it’s downloading the same blocks >once ?
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1975 2014-05-19 21:21:38 <sipa> hearn: it does not download the same block more than once, ever
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1979 2014-05-19 21:22:07 <sipa> hearn: unless the orphan count goes up to 750, at which point it will start dropping later ones to save memory
1980 2014-05-19 21:22:19 <hearn> ok
1981 2014-05-19 21:22:52 <hearn> i thought it might be that if a peer announces, that triggers a getblocks, and it’s possible for two responses to getblocks to be going in parallel
1982 2014-05-19 21:22:59 <hearn> but it’s been a while since i looked at this code
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1989 2014-05-19 21:26:06 <sipa> it used to be that way
1990 2014-05-19 21:26:20 <sipa> but blocks being requested are actually tracked now
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1993 2014-05-19 21:26:37 <sipa> and peers are disconnected if they don't answer requests for a long time
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2067 2014-05-19 22:26:45 <saivann> Developer Documentation on bitcoin.org will be merged on May 24th. Additional reviews and feedback is welcome.
2068 2014-05-19 22:26:50 <saivann> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/393
2069 2014-05-19 22:27:45 <hearn> nice! awesome work!
2070 2014-05-19 22:27:56 <saivann> hearn: Thanks for starting it all ;)
2071 2014-05-19 22:27:58 <hearn> it blows me away that you guys have basically written an entire book in only a couple of months
2072 2014-05-19 22:28:38 <saivann> David and Greg indeed did an amazing job, it was very pleasant to work with them
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2074 2014-05-19 22:29:55 <harding> Working with saivann was quite nice for the rest of us too. :-)
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2099 2014-05-19 22:42:15 <dii> where can I find bitcoin developers to hire?
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2132 2014-05-19 23:20:40 <saizai> in case you’re interested in the FEC Bitcoin decision, a Reddit AMAA: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/25ze2n/amaa_got_questions_re_the_fec_bitcoin_decision_i/
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