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  21 2014-05-22 00:18:54 <warren> I haven't been following the recent news, do any of the major clients support Trezor now?
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  69 2014-05-22 01:16:44 <CoinHeavy> Given any block, the first transaction contains the newly minted/generated/unlocked coins.  Is this statement always true?  It seems to be from random sampling but I have not done a full scan nor have I found a protocol definition stating this to absolutely be the case.
  70 2014-05-22 01:18:03 <justanotheruser> CoinHeavy: I believe blocks without coinbase tx are invalid
  71 2014-05-22 01:18:45 <gmaxwell> CoinHeavy: its a requirement that the first transaction be the coinbase txn. It's one of the first checks made against a block.
  72 2014-05-22 01:18:50 <CoinHeavy> but does that coinbase tx necessarily need to occupy the first space in the array of transactions, or is that just convention?
  73 2014-05-22 01:18:56 <CoinHeavy> excellent — thank you
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  75 2014-05-22 01:20:06 <cbeams> gmaxwell: if it is indeed required that the coinbase tx is the first, we should probably update http://bitcoindev.us.to/en/developer-reference#term-coinbase-tx to be explicit about it.
  76 2014-05-22 01:20:25 <cbeams> I've noticed before that it's not. Simply states "Every block must include a coinbase transaction", and goes no further.
  77 2014-05-22 01:21:25 <gmaxwell> it is indeed required. it's even well documented in the only prior place I would have expected someone to look: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_rules#.22block.22_messages
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  79 2014-05-22 01:22:04 <gmaxwell> (item 6)
  80 2014-05-22 01:23:12 <CoinHeavy> gmaxwell: thank you — I was indeed looking at the developer reference cbeams linked because the wiki is often out of date (e.g. getnetworkhashps is not listed)
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  83 2014-05-22 01:23:48 <harding> cbeams: I swore we added that coinbase had to be first to the dev docs.  I'll look in a moment.
  84 2014-05-22 01:23:54 <gmaxwell> the developer reference page itself is a very new document and not yet worn smooth by many hands. :P  the tech details in it are mostly extracted from the wiki.
  85 2014-05-22 01:24:18 <CoinHeavy> taking for instance the recent coinbase txn of 107cf2c46a67ad56119302b095f3c85b53a45ff0f103b4c59849dbb186439aab (newly minted coins) — is there a way that I could determine programatically that the value of 25.00780000 was made up of 25 ‘new’ coins and 0.0078 in miners’ fees (old coins)?  Assuming that I did not have knowledge external to that block of the current reward amount.
  86 2014-05-22 01:24:41 <gmaxwell> CoinHeavy: no.
  87 2014-05-22 01:24:42 <cbeams> harding: https://github.com/saivann/bitcoin.org/issues/132
  88 2014-05-22 01:25:00 <gmaxwell> CoinHeavy: and if you try to do that you're just going to end up with some psycho conclusions like negative fees on some blocks. :)
  89 2014-05-22 01:25:23 <harding> cbeams: thanks.  bugs with the docs from now on should go to the bitcoin/bitcoin.org repository.  (but leave that bug where it is)
  90 2014-05-22 01:25:37 <cbeams> harding: good to know, thanks.
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 141 2014-05-22 02:29:01 <gmaxwell> https://air.mozilla.org/rust-meetup-may-2014/ at 14 minutes pretty scarry, ubuntu shipped a patched gcc at one point that made signed char x =1; unsigned char y = 255; return x>y;  compile incorrectly.
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 143 2014-05-22 02:29:24 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: for C?
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 145 2014-05-22 02:29:39 <coryfields> wumpus: I have a working signature detacher/attacher. I need to get with gavin and have him verify that a real apple cert behaves the same as a self-signed one. Assuming i can get in touch with him, I'll try to have a pull req up tomorrow
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 149 2014-05-22 02:30:23 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: at least GCC warns if you even try to do that..
 150 2014-05-22 02:30:34 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: yea, in C.
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 153 2014-05-22 02:31:58 <coryfields> gmaxwell: along the same lines, it's interesting to check out the bugs that musl libc reported to glibc
 154 2014-05-22 02:32:07 <coryfields> it's more than a handful :)
 155 2014-05-22 02:33:09 <gmaxwell> (I've reported my share of compiler bugs, but never one as trivial as that. And amazingly ubuntu managed to compile the whole distro with that compiler.)
 156 2014-05-22 02:33:14 <Luke-Jr> coryfields: how many of those are closed WONTFIX? :p
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 158 2014-05-22 02:33:41 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: probably signed > unsigned isn't in any code since it's been a warning for a while
 159 2014-05-22 02:34:05 <gmaxwell> well I'm sure thats not true, but indeed perhaps not in much code. :)
 160 2014-05-22 02:35:43 <coryfields> Luke-Jr: yea, they're likely the kind of edge-cases that usually default to "keep doing it how we've always done it"
 161 2014-05-22 02:35:53 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: everyone doesn't use -Werror ? :p
 162 2014-05-22 02:36:10 <gmaxwell> hell no, because the compilers keep changing what they warn on. :P
 163 2014-05-22 02:36:39 <coryfields> Luke-Jr: check out clang's -Weverything if you want some serious noise :)
 164 2014-05-22 02:36:43 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: I don't think I've seen a contradiction, just improved warnings ;p
 165 2014-05-22 02:36:49 <gmaxwell> "Warning: Statement with less than 50 parentheses."
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 169 2014-05-22 02:38:53 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: uninitialized analysis has been pretty unstable the last couple years... though its mostly improved, it's also become common for compilers to emit varrious style warnings like assuming you don't know the order of operations. e.g. warning about a+b<<x+y without parens. Which might be fine and all, but not when it breaks the build for a _user_ who happens to have a newer/older compiler than you.
 170 2014-05-22 02:39:35 <gmaxwell> (what I mean wrt uninitialized analysis, is that you write code that is correct and your compiler likes it but then a user with a compiler 6 months older fails the build because its uninit analysis is less smart)
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 178 2014-05-22 02:40:31 <Luke-Jr> warning: no previous extern declaration for non-static variable 'schedstart' [-Wmissing-variable-declarations]
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 180 2014-05-22 02:40:36 <Luke-Jr> why is this a warning at all? XD
 181 2014-05-22 02:40:41 <coryfields> Luke-Jr: it's actually worth taking a look...
 182 2014-05-22 02:41:12 <coryfields> i typically go through and turn off the really stupid ones that amount to 90% of the noise. But I've found a few legit bugs that way
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 185 2014-05-22 02:43:36 <Luke-Jr> ./logging.h:55:38: warning: token pasting of ',' and __VA_ARGS__ is a GNU extension [-Wgnu-zero-variadic-macro-arguments]
 186 2014-05-22 02:43:38 <Luke-Jr> no crap
 187 2014-05-22 02:43:39 <Luke-Jr> <.<
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 191 2014-05-22 02:44:49 <coryfields> Luke-Jr: iirc virtual function shadowing was one of the helpful ones
 192 2014-05-22 02:45:02 <Luke-Jr> coryfields: no virtual functions in C :P
 193 2014-05-22 02:45:05 <coryfields> not sure why regular warnings didn't catch em, though. you'd think they would
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 198 2014-05-22 02:45:49 <Luke-Jr> warning: passing 'void (void *, double)' to parameter of type 'void *' converts between void pointer and function pointer [-Wpedantic]
 199 2014-05-22 02:45:53 <Luke-Jr> wait, is that really a problem?
 200 2014-05-22 02:46:00 <Luke-Jr> how am I supposed to say "any function pointer"? :/
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 202 2014-05-22 02:47:08 <wumpus> coryfields: great, let's hope that works
 203 2014-05-22 02:47:48 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: a warning that annoys me is the 'unused return value warning'... there is no way to avoid it, even if you really want to ignore the result
 204 2014-05-22 02:49:27 <coryfields> wumpus: can you not cast it to void like you can with an unused param?
 205 2014-05-22 02:49:34 <wumpus> coryfields: no
 206 2014-05-22 02:49:50 <wumpus> that's the first thing anyone would try, and that doesn't foil it
 207 2014-05-22 02:51:22 <wumpus> in an everlasting battle between developers and compilers who is more obnoxious :)
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 231 2014-05-22 03:01:04 <gmaxwell> 0.6.3 no, unless your date is wrong, versions prior to 0.2.10 won't connect to the current network.
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 240 2014-05-22 03:02:18 <Peezr> gmaxwell: I figured as well but I'm having an issue with a client connecting.
 241 2014-05-22 03:02:22 <Peezr> What exactly do you mean by date?
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 243 2014-05-22 03:02:37 <Peezr> I thought it was based on client,protocol,wallet version?
 244 2014-05-22 03:03:18 <gmaxwell> the protocol changed after a particlar date in 2012.
 245 2014-05-22 03:03:36 <gmaxwell> and old versions will speak the old protocol prior to that date.
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 298 2014-05-22 03:09:53 <Peezr> Do you have a second to check my debug.log?
 299 2014-05-22 03:09:53 <Peezr> http://pastebin.com/yhy7yVLY
 300 2014-05-22 03:09:53 <Peezr> This is the first time I have tried to connect and will be building a new leveldb blockchain.
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 319 2014-05-22 03:12:19 <Peezr> So any theories why I can't get my new version (0.8) to connect to current version 0.6 of Cannacoin?
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 321 2014-05-22 03:12:33 <Peezr> My debug seems pretty normal
 322 2014-05-22 03:12:35 <wumpus> not really, you're on your own there
 323 2014-05-22 03:12:37 <Peezr> just simply not getting a response.
 324 2014-05-22 03:12:38 <justanotheruser> Peezr: scamcoins are offtopic
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 327 2014-05-22 03:13:11 <Peezr> justanotheruser: im referring to bitcoin version checking, regardless if its for another coin.
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 334 2014-05-22 03:16:06 <Peezr> So any ideas why my bitcoin 0.6 wont connect to 0.8 if the version isn't out of scope?
 335 2014-05-22 03:16:18 <Peezr> Ports etc has all stayed the same.
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 337 2014-05-22 03:16:28 <justanotheruser> Peezr: probably a database problem
 338 2014-05-22 03:16:38 <Peezr> It's a fresh install
 339 2014-05-22 03:16:42 <Peezr> never downloaded the chain before
 340 2014-05-22 03:16:49 <justanotheruser> Peezr: yep. Don't run v0.6
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 342 2014-05-22 03:17:06 <Peezr> Im trying to connect to a node running 0.6
 343 2014-05-22 03:17:13 <Peezr> From my current version of 0.8
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 345 2014-05-22 03:17:24 <Peezr> Im not downgrading, rather upgrading
 346 2014-05-22 03:17:29 <Peezr> but still trying to keep my peers
 347 2014-05-22 03:17:37 <justanotheruser> people shouldn't run v0.6
 348 2014-05-22 03:17:53 <wumpus> I suggest you try to debug your own problems
 349 2014-05-22 03:18:17 <Peezr> I've been trying wumpus, thats why I came here to ask more about version handshakes.
 350 2014-05-22 03:18:22 <Peezr> If there should be anything else I should consider...
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 614 2014-05-22 09:02:47 <wumpus> so, darkcoin is basically bitcoin core on an altchain with a coinjoin implementation slapped on top, but it seems they don't release the source of the coinjoin part (at least I wasn't able to find it in their repository...).. that tactic smells a bit fishy to me, although they're probably afraid of the ease with which it could be backported to bitcoin :-)
 615 2014-05-22 09:03:23 <wumpus> but everyone gets to copy our stuff
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 620 2014-05-22 09:05:14 <Eliel> sounds somewhat like "we want to keep our pump&dump for as long as possible"
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 622 2014-05-22 09:07:03 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: wanna GPL BCCore? :P
 623 2014-05-22 09:07:04 <wumpus> so instead of collaboration, development gets perverted into *add some feature, hype it up as a new coin*... it's one dev business model I suppose
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 628 2014-05-22 09:09:01 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: I don't think switching licenses is a good idea, but in retrospect it makes some sense
 629 2014-05-22 09:09:31 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: we can't really complain if we explicitly allow it :x
 630 2014-05-22 09:09:53 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: BTW, I PM'd you (in case you don't see PMs automatically)
 631 2014-05-22 09:10:01 <sipa_> if people are silly enough to use an altcoin (and by use, i mean as a currency) that is closed source...
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 639 2014-05-22 09:18:59 <wumpus> it's baffling indeed
 640 2014-05-22 09:19:14 <Hasimir> Luke-Jr, you'd need to consider lib impications for those projects using parts of bitcoind as a library ... probably need to dual-license it for that
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 643 2014-05-22 09:19:59 <Hasimir> maybe gpl & lgpl
 644 2014-05-22 09:20:00 <Luke-Jr> Hasimir: relicensing (at least with free licenses) is never retroactive
 645 2014-05-22 09:20:07 <wumpus> nah the consensus part should really be MIT
 646 2014-05-22 09:20:10 <Luke-Jr> Hasimir: besides, GPL is just fine for libraries ;)
 647 2014-05-22 09:20:11 <Hasimir> true
 648 2014-05-22 09:20:27 <Hasimir> heh
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 650 2014-05-22 09:20:47 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: I think I agree. Just because GPL causes problems with other free licenses.
 651 2014-05-22 09:20:53 <Hasimir> you ever met RMS?
 652 2014-05-22 09:21:06 <Luke-Jr> Hasimir: no, but I ran an email relay for him once when LKML banned his email server :p
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 654 2014-05-22 09:21:32 <Hasimir> ah, yeah, he's an interesting guy
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 656 2014-05-22 09:22:06 * Luke-Jr wonders if that's actually still setup O.o
 657 2014-05-22 09:22:07 <Hasimir> my advice, if you ever go to dinner with him, don't sit directly opposite him and expect to maintain your appetite
 658 2014-05-22 09:22:16 <Hasimir> but otherwise he's a cool guy
 659 2014-05-22 09:22:39 <Luke-Jr> he's wrong about everything but software though ;p
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 661 2014-05-22 09:22:56 <Hasimir> heh
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 663 2014-05-22 09:23:20 <Hasimir> not quite everything, but pretty close
 664 2014-05-22 09:23:32 <Luke-Jr> heh, of course I didn't mean that literally ;)
 665 2014-05-22 09:23:48 <Hasimir> I know  :)
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 687 2014-05-22 09:59:50 <sipa_> Hasimir: i actually have had lunch with him, and he actually acknowledged that for some cases more permissive (well, from a point of view) licenses may make sense... for example when the value of getting a protocol adopted outweighs the value of having a free implementation
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 689 2014-05-22 10:00:48 <Hasimir> well, that is why he allowed the lgpl in the first place, so it makes sense
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 691 2014-05-22 10:02:35 <Hasimir> anyway, I gotta "go dark" for a bit, got a national council meeting on the other network about to start shortly
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 695 2014-05-22 10:12:33 <netg_> wumpus: is there a > 5% chance you/btc devs would backport darkcoins coinjoin?
 696 2014-05-22 10:12:47 <netg_> or other complete, tested coinjoin implementations
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 699 2014-05-22 10:15:52 <dizko> has anything changed with the 0.9 release which would allow spent outputs to still get listed in listunspent ?
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 701 2014-05-22 10:18:16 <dizko> is there a wallet format change at all?  i can revert back to 0.8.x right?
 702 2014-05-22 10:18:58 <warren> wallet should work, but your index won't be compatible with 0.8.x
 703 2014-05-22 10:19:20 <warren> there's no reason to downgrade though
 704 2014-05-22 10:19:39 <netg_> wumpus: btw, darkcoins release schedule says: release of darksend (coinjoin) on 25. may, then a bit (some days) of testing  then open sourcing
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 709 2014-05-22 10:21:43 <dizko> warren: listunspent is giving me spent outputs
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 711 2014-05-22 10:22:13 <warren> dizko: are you sure you don't have corruption?
 712 2014-05-22 10:22:40 <dizko> how can i be sure?
 713 2014-05-22 10:22:45 <warren> reindex
 714 2014-05-22 10:23:06 <michagogo> Did they come up with a decentralized coinjoin?
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 717 2014-05-22 10:25:11 <netg_> yeah, more or less decentralized
 718 2014-05-22 10:25:19 <netg_> mixing will be done by so called "masternode"
 719 2014-05-22 10:25:27 <netg_> s
 720 2014-05-22 10:25:29 <warren> ...
 721 2014-05-22 10:25:46 <warren> it's decentralized except for the part that is centralized?
 722 2014-05-22 10:26:24 <netg_> i cant the judge this, the target is 1000 masternodes
 723 2014-05-22 10:26:34 <netg_> so i guess depends on you POV then
 724 2014-05-22 10:26:59 <wumpus> netg_: sure, if their implementation makes sense
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 726 2014-05-22 10:27:35 <netg_> is this a policy change, with you taking over?
 727 2014-05-22 10:27:41 <netg_> i thought andressen was against it
 728 2014-05-22 10:27:44 <wumpus> a policy change?
 729 2014-05-22 10:28:43 <wumpus> there has been an open issue for it for months https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3226
 730 2014-05-22 10:28:51 <netg_> opinion change, new direction
 731 2014-05-22 10:29:20 <wumpus> in my opinion what is holding it back is that no one implemented it, nothing else
 732 2014-05-22 10:29:24 <netg_> ok sorry, seems like i remember wrong, sorry
 733 2014-05-22 10:29:41 <Luke-Jr> netg_: is it coinjoin or mixing?
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 735 2014-05-22 10:30:25 <Luke-Jr> two very different things
 736 2014-05-22 10:30:30 <wumpus> and as bitcoin core's wallet is not very actively being developed I would bet on almost all other wallets having it first  :)
 737 2014-05-22 10:31:05 <dizko> warren: will there be anything to see in the log which would make it clear that there had been corruption from the reindex?
 738 2014-05-22 10:31:11 <wumpus> Amir's darkwallet already has coinjoin right?
 739 2014-05-22 10:32:25 <buZz> yes
 740 2014-05-22 10:33:06 <wumpus> I should try it out some time
 741 2014-05-22 10:33:09 <netg_> Luke-Jr: "Darksend" is an implementation of coinjoin
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 746 2014-05-22 10:40:42 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: the confusing thing there is that at least the darkwallet guys call coinjoin 'mixing'
 747 2014-05-22 10:41:14 <wumpus> the implementation is here https://github.com/darkwallet/darkwallet/blob/develop/js/backend/services/mixer.js
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 749 2014-05-22 10:42:06 <wumpus> wallets coordinate the join on a websockets chat server
 750 2014-05-22 10:42:20 <Luke-Jr> sigh
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 829 2014-05-22 12:20:22 <graingert> BlueMatt: bitcoin uses Kademlia for DHT right?
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 832 2014-05-22 12:23:42 <sipa> lol
 833 2014-05-22 12:25:05 <graingert> sipa: :(
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 835 2014-05-22 12:25:46 <sipa> graingert: in case you're not joking: bitcoin doesn't use a DHT, and for good reason
 836 2014-05-22 12:26:05 <graingert> sipa: ah yes. Don't auto ban me
 837 2014-05-22 12:26:22 <buZz> DONT TAZE ME BRO
 838 2014-05-22 12:26:49 <graingert> sipa: ah bitcoin is randomly wired
 839 2014-05-22 12:26:59 <sipa> yes, and every node has all data
 840 2014-05-22 12:28:08 <graingert> DNS bootstrap, I remember now
 841 2014-05-22 12:28:26 <sipa> uh yes, but that is completely orthogonal
 842 2014-05-22 12:28:48 <sipa> bootstrapping is the process of learning initial nodes to connect to
 843 2014-05-22 12:28:55 <graingert> yes
 844 2014-05-22 12:28:57 <graingert> I know
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 846 2014-05-22 12:29:08 <graingert> maybe I was thinking of CJDNS...
 847 2014-05-22 12:29:18 <graingert> I've clearly been dummed down by webdev
 848 2014-05-22 12:29:20 <graingert> oh well
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 852 2014-05-22 12:35:20 <graingert> sipa: all the peers know everything?
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 854 2014-05-22 12:36:19 <sipa> yes
 855 2014-05-22 12:36:46 <sipa> bitcoin uses a zero-trust model (for almost everything), so it needs all data to be able to verify what peers say
 856 2014-05-22 12:37:04 <graingert> sipa: I know it needs all the blockchain data
 857 2014-05-22 12:37:33 <sipa> the only thing that is not verified is the order of otherwise valid transactions, as order is not well defined in an asynchronous distributed network
 858 2014-05-22 12:37:56 <sipa> (not every node will always agree on which version of a conflicting transaction was first)
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 866 2014-05-22 12:51:25 <volante> if my function does TRY_LOCK() which success, and then it calls another function that does LOCK() on the same lock, will that be fine so long as they're the same thread?
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 869 2014-05-22 12:52:41 <sipa> volante: discouraged, but it will work
 870 2014-05-22 12:52:56 <sipa> (we use recursive locks)
 871 2014-05-22 12:53:38 <volante> sipa: i want to call GetNodeStateStats(), but I don't want it to block on the lock
 872 2014-05-22 12:53:49 <volante> so im doing TRY_LOCK first and then calling GetNodeStateStats() if i have the lock
 873 2014-05-22 12:53:57 <sipa> ok
 874 2014-05-22 12:54:42 <volante> is there a better way to do it, or is that acceptable?
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 876 2014-05-22 12:54:50 <sipa> go for it
 877 2014-05-22 12:56:07 <volante> sweet, cos this will end up in a pull request :)
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 879 2014-05-22 12:57:01 <sipa> are you working on the GUI view of node stats?
 880 2014-05-22 12:57:14 <volante> yep
 881 2014-05-22 12:57:16 <sipa> cooL!
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 883 2014-05-22 12:57:39 <volante> im making it not block on any locks as suggested by wumpus
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 892 2014-05-22 13:04:30 <devthink_> Hello, I have a transaction that I will be sending to multiple participants for signature.  However, when I pass it to the first participant, he will be able to change the outputs to his addresses.  Is there anything I can do, like signing a 0.00 input, that will cause the transaction to fail if the outputs are changed?  Thanks.
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 894 2014-05-22 13:05:54 <sipa> either use SIGHASH_ANYONECANSIGN
 895 2014-05-22 13:06:08 <sipa> or you use two iterations... one for adding all inputs/outputs, one for signing
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 911 2014-05-22 13:18:43 <devthink_> I have three iterations, one adding the inputs, one adding the outputs, and one for signing. If it came back to me after all the signatures then I could recheck the outputs. How would SIGHASH_ANYONECANSIGN work?
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 914 2014-05-22 13:21:55 <michagogo> ANYONECANSIGN?
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 916 2014-05-22 13:22:15 <michagogo> I don't think I've ever heard of that, unless you mean -PAU
 917 2014-05-22 13:22:17 <michagogo> PAY*
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 923 2014-05-22 13:24:25 <devthink_> found SIGHASH_ANYONECANPAY in the wiki
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 938 2014-05-22 13:34:33 <michagogo> Right. Basically, it doesn't sign the inputs.
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1254 2014-05-22 17:57:19 <shadowbroker> anyone use cryptocoinjs? it looks legit, but there doesnt seem to be so many watchers on github...
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1291 2014-05-22 18:34:25 <maaku> sipa: c++ question -- how evil would it be to use const_cast to overwrite a reference?
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1293 2014-05-22 18:35:35 <coryfields> sipa: ping
1294 2014-05-22 18:35:42 <coryfields> maaku: yikes, very
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1296 2014-05-22 18:36:11 <maaku> the "value_type" of the hash trie container is std::pair<const Key, Data&>, and I'm storing it in the iterator
1297 2014-05-22 18:36:45 <maaku> I want operator++() on the iterator to update these values
1298 2014-05-22 18:37:10 <maaku> the alternative is making and returning throwaway pairs instead of returning a reference...
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1301 2014-05-22 18:38:24 <maaku> in other words its all data I control, but my concern would be having technically undefined behavior in consensus code
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1306 2014-05-22 18:47:52 <coryfields> maaku: seems the most reasonable thing would be to switch the value_type from a typedef to a class and give it an operator++, no?
1307 2014-05-22 18:48:07 <coryfields> *from a pair
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1311 2014-05-22 18:54:19 <maaku> well the operator++ would be on the iterator not the value type, but yes a smart class with a pair-like interface is probably better
1312 2014-05-22 18:54:27 <maaku> thanks
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1315 2014-05-22 18:55:39 <ajweiss> do any of the folks from blockchain.info hang out on here?  i've been parsing the blockchain and comparing my stats to theirs and i've found a few problems in their data...
1316 2014-05-22 18:55:55 <pigeons> no one is suprised ;)
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1319 2014-05-22 18:59:54 <coryfields> sipa: ping me when you're around please. I'm starting on the libsecp integration, want to make sure I'm doing it as you intended
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1334 2014-05-22 19:14:30 <mtgox555> ajweiss blockchain.info is generally known to have errors all over the place. Their database is wrong all the time.
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1345 2014-05-22 19:32:17 <ajweiss> is there a better source for general blockchain statistics?
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1349 2014-05-22 19:36:09 <mtgox555> I havnt used them myself but helloblock is trying to become the go-to place for blockchain api. there is also blockr.io
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1414 2014-05-22 21:01:20 * lianj wants testnet4. testnet3 is so spammed
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1434 2014-05-22 21:12:52 <maaku> ajweiss: the block chain and your own analysis:
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1453 2014-05-22 21:36:12 <CoinHeavy> For transactions, as a convention, to what does the ‘v’ in ‘vin’ and ‘vout’ refer?
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1456 2014-05-22 21:40:26 <CoinHeavy> vector is the most reasonable thing I can come up with but that’s just speculation
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1470 2014-05-22 21:53:18 <sipa> CoinHeavy: indeed
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1485 2014-05-22 22:08:42 <maaku> CoinHeavy: vector as in std::vector
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1496 2014-05-22 22:17:30 <davout> how do i get the scriptPubKey value for a multisig address i created w/ addmultisigaddress ?
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1519 2014-05-22 22:36:05 <harding> davout: The RPC `validateaddress <address>` will return the redeemScript in the "hex" field.
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1522 2014-05-22 22:37:10 <davout> harding: ty, i already have the redeemScript tho
1523 2014-05-22 22:37:17 <davout> apparently i need both -> a914f815b036d9bbbce5e9f2a00abd1bf3dc91e9551087
1524 2014-05-22 22:37:21 <davout> whoops
1525 2014-05-22 22:37:27 <davout> meant https://gist.github.com/gavinandresen/3966071
1526 2014-05-22 22:38:15 <harding> davout: this looks like a support issue.  I recommend you switch to #bitcoin (I'm in there too).
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1566 2014-05-22 23:25:24 <stephenreed> mtgox555: thanks for the info. I registered at helloblock.
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1590 2014-05-22 23:50:37 <coryfields> wumpus: around?
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1592 2014-05-22 23:53:07 <sipa> unlikely at this hour :)
1593 2014-05-22 23:54:21 <coryfields> thought i might catch him before bed, looks like i have to wait another cycle now :)
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