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  19 2014-05-27 00:22:49 <CodeShark> rpcrawtransaction.cpp:789:                throw JSONRPCError(RPC_DESERIALIZATION_ERROR, "TX rejected"); // TODO: report validation state
  20 2014-05-27 00:22:57 <CodeShark> is anyone working on this TODO?
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  22 2014-05-27 00:26:26 <legerde> Greetings,  I have a (another) payment protocol question.  Do any browsers support "bitcoin:" style links?  Is this done through a wallet add-on type thing?   Im ready to test my payment request, but im not clear on how I get the browser to "do something" with it.
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  26 2014-05-27 00:29:26 <gmaxwell> CodeShark: you're looking at old code.
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  28 2014-05-27 00:29:46 <gmaxwell> CodeShark: its returned the reason for a long time.
  29 2014-05-27 00:29:59 <gmaxwell> CodeShark: since https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3730 iirc
  30 2014-05-27 00:30:24 <gmaxwell> legerde: yes, wallet software registers a protocol handler.
  31 2014-05-27 00:30:53 <legerde> gmaxwell: any particular wallets do this already?  Im trying to use blockchain's wallet to test with.
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  36 2014-05-27 00:34:18 <legerde> gmaxwell:   Im sorry. I just found BIP0072.   Ill start reading
  37 2014-05-27 00:35:32 <CodeShark> gmaxwell: ah, I see - 0.9.2 is ok
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  39 2014-05-27 00:36:12 <legerde> gmaxwell:  And BIP0021. :)  Thank you.
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  48 2014-05-27 00:51:32 <CodeShark> gmaxwell: hmm...error: {"code":-25,"message":""}
  49 2014-05-27 00:51:45 <CodeShark> with 0.9.2
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  52 2014-05-27 00:53:28 <CodeShark> that's even less helpful :p
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  59 2014-05-27 01:06:32 <CodeShark> this return state.DoS(...) stuff in AcceptToMemoryPool is a very strange style
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  65 2014-05-27 01:14:57 <CodeShark> perhaps something like state.DoS(...); return state.isValid(); would make more sense
  66 2014-05-27 01:15:08 <CodeShark> if used consistently
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  68 2014-05-27 01:15:31 <CodeShark> or just return false; if we already know the state to be invalid
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 109 2014-05-27 02:30:44 <gokudev> anyone know how to receive payments from the bitcoin protocol itself ?
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 113 2014-05-27 02:41:45 <andytoshi> gokudev: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_specification 'inv' and 'getdata' and 'tx' describe how transactions are relayed
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 116 2014-05-27 02:42:08 <andytoshi> but there is not really a notion of "receiving payments" in bitcoin, you may want to ask #bitcoin for clarification
 117 2014-05-27 02:42:35 <gokudev> im debating on programming against the bitcoin protocol itself  and skipping the coin daemon entirely
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 120 2014-05-27 02:44:57 <andytoshi> depends if you need non-tech-savvy users to run your software or not, RPC is much easier to code against but it's hard for normal people to set up
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 122 2014-05-27 02:45:58 <gokudev> well ideally i want to get setup with least amount of work  :/
 123 2014-05-27 02:46:24 <gokudev> armory electrum  only support bitcoin
 124 2014-05-27 02:46:47 <gokudev> i figured if i programmed against the protocol i can  save the private keys in a database
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 127 2014-05-27 02:48:13 <gokudev> well for rpc i need daemons running right ?
 128 2014-05-27 02:48:33 <gokudev> if i am programming directly against the protocol, i can send a tcp request to the p2p network and get a response
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 130 2014-05-27 02:50:00 <brandondahler> bitcoind would have to be running to use the rpc interface.  There is no notion of sending a request "to the p2p network".  You would have to write a client to negotiate and handle connecting to nodes.
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 132 2014-05-27 02:50:40 <gokudev> yup i would need a client for sure to send requests and get responses to the bitcoin network
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 134 2014-05-27 02:51:39 <brandondahler> Connecting only to a single node would be a bad idea, because that node could be lying to you.  Your better bet is to use bitcoind as the actual protocol client, and interface with bitcoind via rpc.
 135 2014-05-27 02:53:39 <gokudev> http://www.righto.com/2014/02/bitcoins-hard-way-using-raw-bitcoin.html#ref1
 136 2014-05-27 02:53:52 <gokudev> i got the idea of creating my own client from that link ^^
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 138 2014-05-27 02:54:45 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, iirc the reason it reports doesn't include very much info
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 140 2014-05-27 02:56:07 <gokudev> that article says  bitseed.xf2.org has reliable peers
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 142 2014-05-27 02:57:22 <gokudev>  /msg nickserv register
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 146 2014-05-27 03:00:20 <brandondahler> You'll just be re-inventing the wheel is all.  In order to "receive" payments, you will have to recieve the blocks, decode if a transaction you were expecting appears in one of them, and check if that block is "confirmed".
 147 2014-05-27 03:01:09 <phantomcircuit> gokudev, building a "client" that can send bitcoins? you'll almost certainly fuck it up, but probably not too bad
 148 2014-05-27 03:01:17 <gmaxwell> gokudev: reliable means you can connect to them, they may well be malicious
 149 2014-05-27 03:01:19 <phantomcircuit> building a client that can received bitcoins? please dont
 150 2014-05-27 03:02:36 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, hi
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 158 2014-05-27 03:06:59 <gokudev> and i can do this for altcoins too
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 175 2014-05-27 03:24:39 <gokudev> via confirmations we can check if the transaction is valid ?
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 320 2014-05-27 06:45:55 <wumpus> jgarzik: I agree that a client-side bitcoin utility library (for the pure utility functions) would be nice; there is no reason to run a daemon/full node for those at all, and network communication is overhead
 321 2014-05-27 06:47:30 <wumpus> jgarzik: on the other hand some libraries like that would already exist, for varioius languages (like Python), though *as far as I know* nothing that has different language bindings
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 438 2014-05-27 09:42:53 <epscy> can anyone explain the purpose of the restrictions on timestamps described in this link? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_timestamp
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 440 2014-05-27 09:43:35 <gmaxwell> uh. To prevent miners from inflating the currency.
 441 2014-05-27 09:43:42 <epscy> how so?
 442 2014-05-27 09:44:02 <gmaxwell> by saying the time is passing 4x faster than it actually is.
 443 2014-05-27 09:44:10 <epscy> hmmm
 444 2014-05-27 09:44:11 <gmaxwell> and mining out all the subsidy right away.
 445 2014-05-27 09:44:34 <drdo> gmaxwell: oh, because of the target adjustment?
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 447 2014-05-27 09:45:31 <gmaxwell> yes, but its true regardless of target adustment. the coin release schedule is based on time. The only input on time in the system is the block headers, something has to keep it honest or miners will just lie.
 448 2014-05-27 09:45:54 <epscy> ok i think i get it, though the actual time doesn't matter, nodes need to know how much passed between blocks, so it helps to a rough consensus of the current time to do that?
 449 2014-05-27 09:46:17 <Apocalyptic> "nodes need to know how much passed between blocks" // why do nodes need to know ?
 450 2014-05-27 09:46:25 <gmaxwell> this is really #bitcoin material.
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 545 2014-05-27 12:07:54 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: is there a policy change? traditionally, BCCore was explicitly "yes, this is Bitcoin, not a generic solution for cryptocurrencies" :x
 546 2014-05-27 12:08:22 <Luke-Jr> ie, the opposite of avoiding Bitcoin-specific things
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 552 2014-05-27 12:10:09 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: you referring to maaku's pull? that got debated on the prior pull, this was the stuff that there was a good argument for from a plain software eng perspecitve.
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 554 2014-05-27 12:10:45 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: which was the prior?
 555 2014-05-27 12:11:18 <gmaxwell> 4067
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 628 2014-05-27 13:44:45 <michagogo> ;;lucky GitHub pull request bitcoin 4067
 629 2014-05-27 13:44:46 <gribble> https://github.com/petertodd?tab=activity
 630 2014-05-27 13:44:50 <michagogo> :-/
 631 2014-05-27 13:45:16 <michagogo> ;;Google bitcoin pull request 4067
 632 2014-05-27 13:45:17 <gribble> petertodd (Peter Todd) · GitHub: <https://github.com/petertodd?tab=activity>; bitcoin/src/main.cpp at master · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub: <https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp>; Socratic Style Meetup 18 - BitDevs NYC (New York, NY) - Meetup: <http://www.meetup.com/BitDevsNYC/events/177568352/>
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 723 2014-05-27 15:12:33 <gokudev> hi guys
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 725 2014-05-27 15:12:52 <gokudev> can bitcoinj be modified to work with litecoin
 726 2014-05-27 15:13:02 <gokudev> and what would be an effort estimate
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 728 2014-05-27 15:13:17 <daybyter> are you a java coder?
 729 2014-05-27 15:13:31 <TD> gokudev: people have done it before. not sure if it's up to date. search for litecoinj
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 731 2014-05-27 15:15:01 <gokudev> bitcoinj is good in the way it only implements bitcoin protocol and does not need bitcoin core running
 732 2014-05-27 15:15:26 <gokudev> correct me if i am wrong, means bitcoind is not required since i wont be making rpc calls
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 735 2014-05-27 15:17:39 <daybyter> http://www.javaworld.com/article/2078482/java-web-development/bitcoin-for-beginners--part-3--the-bitcoinj-api.html
 736 2014-05-27 15:17:48 <daybyter> sounds like a bitcoind replacement...
 737 2014-05-27 15:18:03 <daybyter> are you doing java coin projects?
 738 2014-05-27 15:19:41 <devthink_> Besides Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind and blockchain.info, are there any wallets that provide the JSON-RPC interface? I'm looking for 'createmultisig', 'createrawtransaction', 'sendrawtransaction', etc.
 739 2014-05-27 15:21:26 <gokudev> i dont have a preference on java , im actually a C#/C++ developer
 740 2014-05-27 15:21:47 <gokudev> but it would be nice to know if there are other C#/C++ implementations of the bticoin protocol
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 744 2014-05-27 15:22:17 <gokudev> devthink: have you looked at electrum
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 748 2014-05-27 15:27:58 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: I agree with you, but in case of the typedef I think it helps everyone
 749 2014-05-27 15:28:17 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: I'm not willing to go further than that in accomedating other chains, though
 750 2014-05-27 15:28:31 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: ok, was just curious
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 775 2014-05-27 16:03:12 <realz> hey, can anyone send me some testnet coins
 776 2014-05-27 16:03:13 <realz> mjPFC3piVcpKiB9yBz6hZS9bp67zCguwmZ
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 779 2014-05-27 16:05:14 <kinlo> realz: did you try the faucet? :)
 780 2014-05-27 16:05:22 <kinlo> I just send one btc
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 782 2014-05-27 16:05:32 <realz> kinlo: thanks
 783 2014-05-27 16:05:53 <kinlo> realz: send to faucet when done or so :)
 784 2014-05-27 16:06:04 <realz> link?
 785 2014-05-27 16:06:09 <kinlo> https://tpfaucet.appspot.com/
 786 2014-05-27 16:06:16 <realz> ty
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 816 2014-05-27 16:38:26 <gokudev> guys can the bitcoin qt client run in offline mode and sign transactions?
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 819 2014-05-27 16:43:02 <Luke-Jr> gokudev: no
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 821 2014-05-27 16:45:01 <gokudev> luke-jr then qt client  wallet have coldstorage ?
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 823 2014-05-27 16:45:13 <gokudev> or can it be made to act like a cold stroage, say if i set max-connections =0
 824 2014-05-27 16:45:18 <Luke-Jr> gokudev: no
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 826 2014-05-27 16:45:31 <Luke-Jr> Bitcoin-Qt only works online
 827 2014-05-27 16:45:38 <Luke-Jr> if you want a cold wallet, use Armory
 828 2014-05-27 16:45:48 <gokudev> really?
 829 2014-05-27 16:45:48 <Luke-Jr> or CodeShark's new thing I haven't tried maybe
 830 2014-05-27 16:45:51 <Luke-Jr> really.
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 832 2014-05-27 16:47:12 <Luke-Jr> gokudev: also, this channel is for development, not Bitcoin 101 questions nor support. Please continue in #bitcoin
 833 2014-05-27 16:47:31 <gokudev> thanks luke-jr
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1016 2014-05-27 19:58:57 <kdomanski> https://github.com/django/django/pull/2692
1017 2014-05-27 19:59:17 <kdomanski> they actually replaced all occurences of master/slave in Django, because apparently it's racist
1018 2014-05-27 19:59:26 <Diablo-D3> that better not he ... it is =/
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1023 2014-05-27 20:12:05 <andytoshi> eh, i expect a lot of shouting for a few weeks until slashdot forgets about it, then it'll be quietly reverted to quell the constant user confusion
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1027 2014-05-27 20:13:04 <kdomanski> naturally tens of screens of flamewar are already there in under 24h
1028 2014-05-27 20:13:20 <andytoshi> yeah, the comments imply it was posted to HN and slashdot and 4chan and reddit :P
1029 2014-05-27 20:14:03 <kdomanski> I actually found it on a polish reddit-like site
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1040 2014-05-27 20:25:26 <elichai2> petertodd: hey, i really liked your lecture today
1041 2014-05-27 20:25:38 <elichai2> (in Israel)
1042 2014-05-27 20:26:31 <sl01> elichai2: what was it on?
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1045 2014-05-27 20:28:16 <elichai2> politic inside Bitcoin
1046 2014-05-27 20:28:25 <elichai2> (and a lot about double spending lol)
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1060 2014-05-27 20:39:01 <sl01> elichai2: double spending in bitcoin or what?
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1067 2014-05-27 20:41:41 <hearn> elichai2: is it videoed?
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1070 2014-05-27 20:44:39 <phantomcircuit> kdomanski, that is hilarious
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1080 2014-05-27 20:58:41 <samson_> Quick question - someone here can probably answer this - how many records are there in the leveldb db for a full node ?
1081 2014-05-27 20:59:02 <samson_> just an approximate figure...
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1091 2014-05-27 21:07:38 <elichai2> sorry i didn't answered
1092 2014-05-27 21:07:44 <elichai2> sl01: yeah, in bitcoin
1093 2014-05-27 21:07:54 <elichai2> hearn: yeah, but it's not yet online
1094 2014-05-27 21:07:56 <arubi> oh man he was in Israel?
1095 2014-05-27 21:08:13 <arubi> that's what I get for not following the news
1096 2014-05-27 21:08:24 <elichai2> yeah he was in Israel
1097 2014-05-27 21:08:32 <elichai2> arubi: you are israeli?
1098 2014-05-27 21:08:37 <arubi> yea
1099 2014-05-27 21:08:53 <elichai2> arubi: why you aren't in Bitcoin Israel groups?
1100 2014-05-27 21:08:58 <elichai2> and in the Meetup?
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1102 2014-05-27 21:09:09 <arubi> I went to a few meetups
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1104 2014-05-27 21:09:54 <elichai2> yeah, but why you aren't in the meetup group?
1105 2014-05-27 21:10:02 <elichai2> arubi: btw, you are core developer?
1106 2014-05-27 21:10:07 <arubi> really, since the scene is so small, I'd like to stay anonymous of sorts
1107 2014-05-27 21:10:08 <arubi> no
1108 2014-05-27 21:10:48 <arubi> I mostly write code for my own..
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1110 2014-05-27 21:12:21 <arubi> I don't mean to come off as a loner or anything, but I'd really like to keep the scene pure, no names. it's dangerous here because it's so tiny
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1112 2014-05-27 21:13:57 <arubi> anyway, elichai2 , you should join #bitcoin-il . I don't wanna spam the logs here
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1114 2014-05-27 21:15:25 <elichai2> why stay anonymous?
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1116 2014-05-27 21:16:57 <arubi> elichai2, (pmed)
1117 2014-05-27 21:17:01 <sl01> he's obviously satoshi
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1119 2014-05-27 21:17:57 <arubi> nah, just like muh freedoms
1120 2014-05-27 21:20:58 <elichai2> sl01: who is satoshi?
1121 2014-05-27 21:21:21 <sl01> can't say sorry
1122 2014-05-27 21:21:31 <arubi> elichai2, that's the 1.25 million bitcoin question
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1127 2014-05-27 21:28:36 <elichai2> lol that not what i meant
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1129 2014-05-27 21:28:44 <elichai2> < sl01> he's obviously satoshi
1130 2014-05-27 21:28:46 <elichai2> who?
1131 2014-05-27 21:29:17 <sl01> nvm
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1136 2014-05-27 21:42:37 <jaakkos> i'd like to make tx that only pays a fee to the network and carries some extra data of my own.
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1138 2014-05-27 21:42:58 <Luke-Jr> jaakkos: please don't.
1139 2014-05-27 21:42:59 <jaakkos> in b4 don't include data in blockchain, you don't know what i'm doing.
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1143 2014-05-27 21:43:21 <sl01> lol
1144 2014-05-27 21:43:24 <abrkn> Luke-Jr: haha
1145 2014-05-27 21:43:37 <Luke-Jr> jaakkos: you just said what you're doing. Bitcoin isn't designed for that.
1146 2014-05-27 21:43:56 <sl01> jaakkos: whats your budget
1147 2014-05-27 21:43:58 <abrkn> Luke-Jr: satoshi gaveth us the blockchain and it stored all of our x-rated movies. and the blockchain was good. amen.
1148 2014-05-27 21:44:18 <jaakkos> Luke-Jr: that's not up to you to decide, as far as i know we can publish data using OP_RETURN
1149 2014-05-27 21:44:39 <sl01> jaakkos: i heard dogecoin was all about storing data, why dont you try there
1150 2014-05-27 21:45:00 <abrkn> jaakkos: everyone knows you can do that, so why troll? if you want to put something there, then that's your privilege. if you have a question about the protocol, just ask
1151 2014-05-27 21:45:47 <Luke-Jr> jaakkos: you're wrong. and it is up to EVERYONE to decide. a single objection means you're abusing it.
1152 2014-05-27 21:45:47 <jaakkos> abrkn: yes, indeed. the question is, how to do that if i *only* want to pay a fee to the network, but i don't need to create a new output?
1153 2014-05-27 21:45:56 <abrkn> sl01: i've heard the storage component of doge scales all the way to "luna"
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1155 2014-05-27 21:46:32 <jaakkos> s/need/want/
1156 2014-05-27 21:47:14 <jaakkos> my gut feeling is i need to create a new output.
1157 2014-05-27 21:48:52 <midnightmagic> jaakkos: Please consider taking discussion of your blockchain spam elsewhere.
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1159 2014-05-27 21:49:25 <jaakkos> midnightmagic: why does the reference client allow it if it can't be discussed here?
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1161 2014-05-27 21:49:53 <midnightmagic> jaakkos: The reference client is solicitous in what data it accepts.
1162 2014-05-27 21:50:23 <midnightmagic> jaakkos: That doesn't mean your spam will be welcome by even a strict majority of users who aren't being paid to store your data.
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1164 2014-05-27 21:51:08 <kdomanski> jaakkos: this is Bitcoin Core development channel, not customer support
1165 2014-05-27 21:51:35 <Luke-Jr> we could make it on-topic by discussing how we might effectively block it :D
1166 2014-05-27 21:52:06 <midnightmagic> jaakkos: Yes, is there a convenient pattern you intend to put in your spam so I can tell all my nodes to blacklist it?
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1169 2014-05-27 21:53:17 <Luke-Jr> midnightmagic: eh, I meant technological solutions in general. blacklisting is more of a #bitcoin-mining topic? :P
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1171 2014-05-27 21:53:28 <midnightmagic> Apologies.
1172 2014-05-27 21:53:31 <abrkn> midnightmagic: i assume this is an old discussion. why does everyone despise using the chain as storage? it's very expensive to use for storage (or would become), so why be bothered?
1173 2014-05-27 21:53:45 <abrkn> not to mention slow if you need confs (which you do)
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1175 2014-05-27 21:53:48 <midnightmagic> abrkn: Meet you in #bitcoin.
1176 2014-05-27 21:54:22 <abrkn> you're right, apologies ;)
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1178 2014-05-27 21:55:34 <Luke-Jr> what was Codeshark's wallet called again?
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