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113 2014-05-30 03:12:01 <posita> Is anyone else seeing hundreds of new blocks being created on testnet right now, or is it just me?
114 2014-05-30 03:12:04 <posita> Is this normal?
115 2014-05-30 03:12:19 <posita> They look like a bunch of empty blocks.
116 2014-05-30 03:12:48 <posita> About 2-3 per second.
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121 2014-05-30 03:14:43 <posita> All going to the same address (or small set of addresses).
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127 2014-05-30 03:17:31 <jgarzik> posita, probably just another asshole abusing test net :/
128 2014-05-30 03:18:03 <posita> Okay, so nothing to see here, I guess. :-)
129 2014-05-30 03:18:35 <posita> It looks like it started about 25 minutes ago with block 245951 and hasn't let up since.
130 2014-05-30 03:19:20 <posita> It looks like about 100 blocks per minute.
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132 2014-05-30 03:20:24 <posita> Is somebody hoarding test coins maybe? Testing a DoS for use on the real blockchain (I don't know how that would work)?
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137 2014-05-30 03:28:09 <jgarzik> posita, usually it is just some idiot testing an ASIC miner on testnet. sometimes, it is a griefer trying to make dev life more annoying. occasionally, it is a valid test, such as a 1000-block chain reorg.
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154 2014-05-30 03:29:15 <posita> Understood. Thanks for the insight.
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156 2014-05-30 03:32:58 <jgarzik> posita, FYI if you need a testnet right now, you can always roll your own private testnet. google for: bitcoin testnet in a box
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158 2014-05-30 03:35:14 <posita> https://github.com/freewil/bitcoin-testnet-box
159 2014-05-30 03:35:15 <posita> Nice.
160 2014-05-30 03:35:57 <posita> I don't need it right this second (at least not for any of my own transactions), but if this keeps up I will later. Thanks for the pointer! Sorry if this was an inappropriate topic for -dev.
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483 2014-05-30 10:13:05 <warren> grr ... 1 setgenerate true per second sometimes isn't slow enough to avoid a race/crash
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496 2014-05-30 10:25:38 <wumpus> warren: have you tried my recommedation in the github issue?
497 2014-05-30 10:26:00 <wumpus> also: you can pass the number of blocks to generate to setgenerate, no need to call it multiple times in a row
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501 2014-05-30 10:26:21 <wumpus> though I'd certainly be interested in a backtrace of the problem
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511 2014-05-30 10:38:24 <warren> wumpus: ooh, didn't know you can do multiple
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590 2014-05-30 12:22:46 <maraoz> Has this been discussed yet? https://blockchain.info/charts/n-orphaned-blocks
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596 2014-05-30 12:27:28 <maraoz> (number of orphan blocks increased early April 2014)
597 2014-05-30 12:28:04 <pigeons> careful trusting bc.i data ;)
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604 2014-05-30 12:40:06 <dexX7> maraoz: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/472095938279145473 "the chart is wrong"
605 2014-05-30 12:42:06 <maraoz> dexX7: ha, thanks
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607 2014-05-30 12:43:26 <Luke-Jr> maraoz: dexX7: in general, I wouldn't trust bc.i or the people behind it to know what they're talking about - and this stuff is off-topic here
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609 2014-05-30 12:49:30 <dexX7> yep, i agree nevertheless. a lot of bad data from time to time
610 2014-05-30 12:49:30 <maraoz> why off-topic?
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613 2014-05-30 12:58:17 <Luke-Jr> maraoz: because it's not development.
614 2014-05-30 13:00:18 <stonecoldpat> maraoz: #bitcoin would be better
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648 2014-05-30 13:56:57 <gdm85> hi. has anybody here tried to use gitian builder?
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654 2014-05-30 14:07:33 <dexX7> gdm85: i did and it worked -- i used this tutorial: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/gitian-building.md
655 2014-05-30 14:08:14 <gdm85> dexX7: I am also using that, but I am trying to accomplish something a tad more ambitious e.g. building inside another container instead of a VM
656 2014-05-30 14:09:02 <dexX7> sorry, probably can't help with anything besides confirming that it worked
657 2014-05-30 14:09:11 <gdm85> ok, thanks
658 2014-05-30 14:09:35 <gdm85> so far I am going good, although I am stuck with this error: http://pastebin.com/xDaG16k4 that looks like a vmbuilder error
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660 2014-05-30 14:12:41 <helo> tried, failed, abandoned
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662 2014-05-30 14:14:20 <dexX7> gdm85: could this be a problem with permissions?
663 2014-05-30 14:14:46 <gdm85> helo: failed how? wrong hashes? or before that?
664 2014-05-30 14:14:56 <gdm85> dexX7: I think I found the culprit..a bug in vmbuilder, will submit it
665 2014-05-30 14:15:06 <dexX7> ah okay
666 2014-05-30 14:15:29 <dexX7> i used oracle vm virtualbox btw
667 2014-05-30 14:16:35 <helo> gdm85: it's probably been nearly a year, i don't recall
668 2014-05-30 14:16:44 <gdm85> k
669 2014-05-30 14:17:21 <helo> seems kind of strange that the tarball download doesn't include signatures from various devs
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672 2014-05-30 14:20:15 <helo> using this rigorous deterministic build system and then not including signatures seems like a missed opportunity to allow more end-users to benefit from it
673 2014-05-30 14:20:49 <helo> (based on the relative ease of validating signatures vs doing a gitian build)
674 2014-05-30 14:21:50 <gdm85> it doesn't? weird
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687 2014-05-30 14:27:52 <helo> there is a SHA256SUMS.asc that signs the md5sums of the various release tarballs with some key that i don't have
688 2014-05-30 14:28:12 <helo> s/tarballs/packages/
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694 2014-05-30 14:31:05 <wumpus> yes, SHA256SUMS.asc is the way to check that the end product of the release is signed
695 2014-05-30 14:31:33 <gdm85> do you guys know if it is necessary to build for all architecture in order to submit my gitian build signature as a PR?
696 2014-05-30 14:31:41 <gdm85> *architectures
697 2014-05-30 14:31:51 <wumpus> gdm85: no, that's not necessary, you can choose to build for whatever archs you want
698 2014-05-30 14:31:58 <gdm85> wumpus: ah, cool
699 2014-05-30 14:32:19 <gdm85> I am definitively going to contribute these instructions once I am finished, maybe somebody else can use them too
700 2014-05-30 14:32:19 <wumpus> though linux and windows should both be easy, macosx is going to be somewhat more difficult as it requires an input from Apple
701 2014-05-30 14:32:39 <gdm85> wumpus: I am planning to build only for x64 instead of i386
702 2014-05-30 14:32:55 <wumpus> gdm85: I don't think that will work
703 2014-05-30 14:33:31 <helo> there is no mention of the key that SHA256SUMS.asc is signing with... i'm accustomed to validating signatures against a .sig after already having imported the .asc from some other source
704 2014-05-30 14:33:55 <wumpus> you'd need to change the descriptors for that, and the output would be regarded as incomplete
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706 2014-05-30 14:34:52 <wumpus> helo: it's signed with Gavin Andresen's code signing key (gpg --recv-key 7BF6E212)
707 2014-05-30 14:36:35 <wumpus> I guess it'd be possible for multiple developers to sign it, though getting people to do gitian builds is already a challenge every time so I wouldn't go too far with the bureaucracy :-)
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710 2014-05-30 14:38:01 <helo> ahh, i had gavin's key in a file, but forgot to import it on this install
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713 2014-05-30 14:41:08 <helo> multiple release signers would provide more-than-no additional assurance even if they didn't all do a gitian build. they sign if they are confident that the correct release procedures were followed. at least a compromise of multiple people would be needed to upload a trojaned release to bitcoin.org
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715 2014-05-30 14:43:37 <gmaxwell> helo: I'd be promoting that, but we know from the download stats that virtually no one verfies the pgp signatures, so its not a low hanging fruit for real improvement. WRT gitian builds, at least they could be translating the gitian signatures to pgp signatures.
716 2014-05-30 14:44:55 <wumpus> imo the goal should be to make gitian builds easier
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718 2014-05-30 14:45:39 <helo> translating gitian sigs to pgp sigs would be easy, at least
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720 2014-05-30 14:46:36 <wumpus> how to you mean 'translating sigs'?
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722 2014-05-30 14:47:04 <helo> gitian sigs signed by individual dev keys
723 2014-05-30 14:47:32 <helo> gitian release hashes, rather, i presume
724 2014-05-30 14:47:43 <wumpus> yes, the result of gitian is signed by individual dev keys
725 2014-05-30 14:47:47 <wumpus> with gpg
726 2014-05-30 14:47:53 <wumpus> so I'm not sure what can be 'translated' there
727 2014-05-30 14:48:30 <helo> oh, i assumed they weren't based on what greg said.
728 2014-05-30 14:49:24 <wumpus> you could already verify that the downloaded stuff matches the gitian builds, apart from the windows installer which is code-signed afterwards, so there you'd have to somehow strip off the signature first
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730 2014-05-30 14:50:16 <gmaxwell> wumpus: right now there is a single pgp signature of the release file, signed by gavins key. In theory the same file could have multiple signatures in it (pgp has nice support for that, multiple people clearsign sign the same file, then you concat the signatures)... other people could be siging it if the downloaded stuff matches the gitian builds (or alternatively matches their own gitian build)
731 2014-05-30 14:50:29 <gmaxwell> but yea, the codesigning thing breaks it at the moment.
732 2014-05-30 14:50:54 <wumpus> I heard it's possible to strip off the signature and bring back the original file, but I have not seen a script for that or tried it myself ever
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735 2014-05-30 14:52:12 <gmaxwell> ::nods:: right.
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737 2014-05-30 14:54:02 <wumpus> for macosx the signature is a separate file in the .dmg archive, so if you were to rebuild the dmg without the signature in the same deterministic way as the original, you should get back the unsigned file
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739 2014-05-30 14:55:05 <wumpus> and if you hash that you should get the original hash
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741 2014-05-30 14:55:58 <wumpus> but with the amount of tooling you need to do that you may as well do a gitian build yourself
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743 2014-05-30 14:56:59 <gmaxwell> wumpus: well the tooling should be done once and be some packaged script.
744 2014-05-30 14:57:45 <wumpus> well for one you need patched UDF tools to build a determinstic DMG
745 2014-05-30 14:57:59 <wumpus> not something most people will have around
746 2014-05-30 14:58:28 <wumpus> although at some point the deterministic changes may be upstreamed, like the binutil determinancy changes for gitian
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750 2014-05-30 15:00:32 <wumpus> I suppose once more projects start doing deterministic builds, this will be regarded as less of an edge case by vendors
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761 2014-05-30 15:14:12 <speed-> hey guys which branch of bitcoin should i take to get rid of that error, This is a pre-release test build - use at your own risk - do not use for mining or merchant applications
762 2014-05-30 15:14:12 <speed-> ?
763 2014-05-30 15:14:36 <wumpus> speed-: use the latest tag, v0.9.1
764 2014-05-30 15:15:33 <speed-> ok lets see :)
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766 2014-05-30 15:17:24 <mr_burdell> is there a limit to the number of RPC connections I can leave open to bitcoind?
767 2014-05-30 15:18:09 <mr_burdell> I may have asked this before, but I was having an issue where if I had more than 4-5 open, it would block until one closed
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774 2014-05-30 15:25:20 <t7> if x = y * p (mod q) where p & q are coprime, how to find y ?
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776 2014-05-30 15:27:06 <Apocalyptic> t7, extended Euclidean algorithm
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778 2014-05-30 15:31:57 <t7> ah i was correct :)
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784 2014-05-30 15:46:37 <gavinandresen> Is it just me, or did libpng-1.6.8.tar.gz change? wget 'ftp://ftp.simplesystems.org/pub/png/src/history/libpng16/libpng-1.6.8.tar.gz'
785 2014-05-30 15:46:45 <gavinandresen> sha256sum libpng-1.6.8.tar.gz
786 2014-05-30 15:46:45 <gavinandresen> fac6248be43aa81b529a5f504fae2a109cd80a42ae4601e33be0ebf027d1bec1 libpng-1.6.8.tar.gz
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795 2014-05-30 15:51:13 <gmaxwell> if so, that sounds bad considering that the date on the ftp server is 12/19/2013â a harmless respin wouldn't have avoided restting the mtime.
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797 2014-05-30 15:52:05 <gavinandresen> wait⦠wget automatically renames....
798 2014-05-30 15:52:33 <gavinandresen> bah, false alarm
799 2014-05-30 15:53:04 <gavinandresen> bad wget behavior, saving a file under a different name and not telling me
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806 2014-05-30 16:00:25 <andytoshi> hey guys, is there anything i need to do for PR 4226, the explainrawtransaction RPC
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809 2014-05-30 16:03:51 <speed-> is there some limit for how many accounts you can have ?
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811 2014-05-30 16:04:48 <gavinandresen> andytoshi: a test plan is always helpful. Quick glance at the code it looks like explainrawtransaction will fail after the transaction is included in a block (and its inputs are no longer in either the mempool or utxo set)
812 2014-05-30 16:05:00 <andytoshi> that's correct
813 2014-05-30 16:05:16 <andytoshi> does bitcoind have the data to avoid that?
814 2014-05-30 16:05:47 <gavinandresen> speed-: no limit, but the accounts code has never been optimized for more than a few (eleven or more) accounts
815 2014-05-30 16:06:16 <gavinandresen> andytoshi: not by default, no. if you run with -txindex it does
816 2014-05-30 16:06:26 <speed-> um, but I am generating new addresses with newaccounts or not?
817 2014-05-30 16:06:47 <gavinandresen> andytoshi: i'm usually vaguely against pulls that push us towards being a full-blown block explorer
818 2014-05-30 16:07:08 <andytoshi> gavinandresen: if i run gettxout on a spent transaction, it'll return nothing. this is how i detect double-spends on my coinjoin server
819 2014-05-30 16:07:12 <andytoshi> even with -txindex
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821 2014-05-30 16:07:46 <gmaxwell> I think we prefer now to split txindex using rpcs from non-txindex using rpcs, so the functionality goes away cleanly if the index is not enabled.
822 2014-05-30 16:07:48 <andytoshi> explainrawtransaction isn't intended to be a block explorer, it's for people to check over their own unsigned rawtransactions before signing them
823 2014-05-30 16:08:09 <gmaxwell> In particular explainrawtransaction shows the fees.
824 2014-05-30 16:08:12 <andytoshi> so for that usecase the inputs should all be unspent and probably will all be in the wallet
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826 2014-05-30 16:08:26 <andytoshi> i guess i should add code to actually check the wallet :}
827 2014-05-30 16:09:35 <gmaxwell> andytoshi: wrt testing, mostly the concern would be null-dereferences when some expected piece of data is missing, so knowing that its tested against the varrious things it reads being missing would be helpful.
828 2014-05-30 16:11:02 <andytoshi> should i add unit tests to that effect or just write/execute a test plan?
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857 2014-05-30 16:45:00 <wumpus> unit tests are always best, as they can be used to test for regressions later
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905 2014-05-30 17:44:04 <hrt> hi folks, since each block got unique hash how its possible that bost mainnet and testnet genesises use same merkle root?
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909 2014-05-30 17:45:01 <mappum> hrt: you can have different hashes with the same merkle root, other parts of the header are different (date, nonce, etc)
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911 2014-05-30 17:45:34 <mappum> even if they theoretically had the same hash, they are on different networks so it wouldn't really matter
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913 2014-05-30 17:45:53 <hrt> yes since they use diff network identifier
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916 2014-05-30 17:46:57 <hrt> also I hav read its possible to replace entire chain with just block headers and merkle roots record?
917 2014-05-30 17:47:08 <hrt> I was reading bitcoin might do it in future
918 2014-05-30 17:47:42 <mappum> you would still need the rest of the headers
919 2014-05-30 17:47:54 <mappum> headers are pretty small anyway
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921 2014-05-30 17:48:59 <mappum> are you referring to SPV? some clients already do that, they verify the blockchain with only the headers, then when they need to check a transaction is on the chain, it can be easily proven it is in the merkle tree for a block
922 2014-05-30 17:49:08 <hrt> yes
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929 2014-05-30 17:57:01 <gdm85> I made some progress with the gitian build. now I am stuck with a bridge networking problem..
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936 2014-05-30 18:00:38 <hrt> bridge?
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938 2014-05-30 18:01:31 <gdm85> hrt: the LXC container uses a bridge
939 2014-05-30 18:02:15 <hrt> what do u want to build?
940 2014-05-30 18:02:25 <gdm85> hrt: gitian build of bitcoind
941 2014-05-30 18:02:39 <hrt> for win, lin, osx?
942 2014-05-30 18:02:44 <gdm85> hrt: linux only
943 2014-05-30 18:02:51 <hrt> oki
944 2014-05-30 18:03:03 <hrt> I suggest to qmake it or something
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946 2014-05-30 18:03:19 <hrt> linux qt usually should be fine
947 2014-05-30 18:03:24 <hrt> easy to build
948 2014-05-30 18:03:39 <hrt> I mainly build on win or osx so yes hmm :)
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952 2014-05-30 18:09:26 <chichov> how can I list the "change" address that is generated after executing a sendtoaddress command?
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954 2014-05-30 18:16:52 <andytoshi> what blockchain data is (reliably) available when i run the unit tests?
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966 2014-05-30 18:26:47 <andytoshi> i guess, none..but can i put stuff in the mempool? do i have a network connection? am i on mainnet?
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978 2014-05-30 18:41:28 <gavinandresen> andytoshi: you probably want to write a regression test. see, for example, qa/rpc-tests/listtransactions.py for an example.
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985 2014-05-30 18:50:49 <andytoshi> thx gavin
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1023 2014-05-30 19:24:50 <coryfields> gavinandresen: around?
1024 2014-05-30 19:25:01 <gavinandresen> yes, briefly
1025 2014-05-30 19:25:11 <coryfields> gavinandresen: I've got my signer changes about ready to PR, but I'd like to verify that it actually works with the real key before doing so
1026 2014-05-30 19:25:15 <coryfields> oh
1027 2014-05-30 19:25:45 <gavinandresen> ok-- I can do that in about an hour or so, send me email on what to do
1028 2014-05-30 19:25:51 <coryfields> i'll mail you with instructions
1029 2014-05-30 19:25:52 <coryfields> roger
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1037 2014-05-30 19:32:24 <chichov> does the bitcoin client automatically set a minimal transaction fee if a transaction is submitted via sendtoaddress?
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1041 2014-05-30 19:38:13 <sipa> yes
1042 2014-05-30 19:39:13 <gmaxwell> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/25ev7z/miners_if_there_was_an_algorithm_that_also/ I think it's a little obnoxious that he leads off " I'm a Bitcoin Core dev" in an apparent play to add credibility there. None of the major commiters do that in their own communications.
1043 2014-05-30 19:39:25 <gmaxwell> This is somethat that rebroad has done several times as well.
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1045 2014-05-30 19:40:47 <belcher> how do you become a core dev? commit something to github?
1046 2014-05-30 19:41:11 <belcher> can i fix a spelling mistake and become one
1047 2014-05-30 19:41:21 <gmaxwell> belcher: that worked enough for super3 apparently.
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1049 2014-05-30 19:41:37 <sipa> it used to mean "i have commit access to the reference client repository"
1050 2014-05-30 19:41:47 <gmaxwell> Right.
1051 2014-05-30 19:41:48 <sipa> now i don't think it means anything anymore :)
1052 2014-05-30 19:42:07 <sipa> then again, we renamed the project to bitcoin core
1053 2014-05-30 19:42:26 <sipa> so you can be a (bitcoin core) dev, without being a bitcoin (core dev)
1054 2014-05-30 19:42:44 <jcorgan> that's what hyphens are for :)
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1056 2014-05-30 19:44:52 <jrick> bitcoin core core dev
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1058 2014-05-30 19:46:05 <sipa> we need a project called bitcoin lead
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1060 2014-05-30 19:47:14 <jcorgan> or bitcoin master
1061 2014-05-30 19:48:11 <Emcy_> no, master is apparently offensive now regardless of context
1062 2014-05-30 19:48:18 <jcorgan> so i've heard
1063 2014-05-30 19:48:24 <Emcy_> you must use primary or something
1064 2014-05-30 19:48:26 <sipa> so bitcoin slave?
1065 2014-05-30 19:48:29 <sipa> ah.
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1067 2014-05-30 19:49:11 <Emcy_> check your privilege sipa
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1071 2014-05-30 19:49:26 <jcorgan> i'm going to change gnuradio's buffer reader/writer nomenclature to buffer master/slave to compensate
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1073 2014-05-30 19:49:44 <jcorgan> django uses leader/follower
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1075 2014-05-30 19:49:48 <Emcy_> jolly good
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1078 2014-05-30 19:52:04 <gmaxwell> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/25ev7z/miners_if_there_was_an_algorithm_that_also/chv3yip
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1081 2014-05-30 19:53:32 <sipa> #offtopic I wonder how well this site works for native English speakers: http://gameswithwords.org/WhichEnglish/
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1084 2014-05-30 19:55:10 <andytoshi> why does the comment after yours have super3 saying "The top core devs really don't like proof of stake" as though the problems with PoS come down to authority? what a dick
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1088 2014-05-30 20:03:29 <andytoshi> #ontopic i ran qa/rpc-tests/listtransactions.py and it seems to have hung for the last 15-20 minutes
1089 2014-05-30 20:03:31 <andytoshi> is this normal?
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1140 2014-05-30 20:34:29 <mappum> all the testnet faucets seem to be broken or empty at the moment, can someone send a bit to muJjB563w5gryHSmZ5TRP7rcMMtfmxxTnF?
1141 2014-05-30 20:35:00 <mappum> (it doesn't need to be much)
1142 2014-05-30 20:35:07 <gmaxwell> mappum: you should have asked this in #bitcoin but I can send a couple testnet coins to you.
1143 2014-05-30 20:35:20 <mappum> roger. thanks.
1144 2014-05-30 20:35:46 <mappum> really though? doesn't testnet usage imply development?
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1147 2014-05-30 20:36:15 <gmaxwell> mappum: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin-dev
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1150 2014-05-30 20:42:35 <plaprade> hmm, faucet.xeno-genesis.com is down. I'm looking into it
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1152 2014-05-30 20:44:58 <mappum> my client says there is a fork happening, that might have something to do with it?
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1155 2014-05-30 20:48:05 <warren> someone is mining testnet super hard
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1157 2014-05-30 20:49:22 <mappum> looks like they stopped though
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1173 2014-05-30 21:05:02 <dgenr8> I wonder what value-added services a fullnode could offer to txes that pay it in a vout
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1175 2014-05-30 21:06:40 <helo> VPS's ;)
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1239 2014-05-30 22:25:25 <dgenr8> I was thinking txes at the top of the inv vector will get asked for first and so propagate faster. on the topic of what fullnodes could get paid for
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1329 2014-05-30 23:55:32 <Emcy_> surely that proof of bandwidth stuff cant be done
1330 2014-05-30 23:55:38 <Emcy_> you cant prrof everything
1331 2014-05-30 23:57:18 <gmaxwell> please not in here
1332 2014-05-30 23:58:26 <Emcy_> wizards?
1333 2014-05-30 23:58:43 hanti is now known as HANTI