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  50 2014-06-11 01:04:40 <maaku> Luke-Jr: is there an updated version of your namecoin_mmm branch?
  51 2014-06-11 01:05:18 <maaku> (the merged-mine-proxy setworkaux changes to bitcoind)
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  66 2014-06-11 01:21:39 <Luke-Jr> maaku: nope, that branch is only for the merged-mine-proxy changes
  67 2014-06-11 01:21:53 <Luke-Jr> maaku: I don't advise using Namecoin merged mining code
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  69 2014-06-11 01:28:41 <maaku> Luke-Jr: I'm helping someone merge-mine nmc under frc as the parent chain
  70 2014-06-11 01:28:49 <maaku> that seemed like the shortest path
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  72 2014-06-11 01:29:00 <maaku> i can't seem to find any open-source stratum merged mining code
  73 2014-06-11 01:29:10 <Luke-Jr> maaku: ah
  74 2014-06-11 01:29:15 <Luke-Jr> maaku: Eloipool works :x
  75 2014-06-11 01:29:31 <maaku> yeah i recommended that before
  76 2014-06-11 01:29:37 <maaku> he's currently locked in to stratum though
  77 2014-06-11 01:29:50 <Luke-Jr> Eloipool supports stratum
  78 2014-06-11 01:30:34 <maaku> but if i understand it correctly, running merged-mine-proxy even with nothing connecting to it will still stuff the right strings in the coinbase for nmc merged mining
  79 2014-06-11 01:30:47 <maaku> but i'll recommend eloipool again
  80 2014-06-11 01:31:19 <Luke-Jr> original merged-mine-proxy is a proxy for getwork (only)
  81 2014-06-11 01:31:30 <Luke-Jr> namecoin_mmm's version is a servant to Eloipool (only?)
  82 2014-06-11 01:33:10 <maaku> well it calls setworkaux right? so GBT should be reporting the right coinbase strings
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  92 2014-06-11 01:43:23 <phantomcircuit> sipa,
  93 2014-06-11 01:43:25 <phantomcircuit> 2014-06-11 01:38:46 UpdateTip: new best=000000000000000130e2511334192fde76160a7c3cd7b8e778998d3ccff66023  height=279260  log2_work=75.526096  tx=30633257  date=2014-01-08 06:52:26 progress=0.401639
  94 2014-06-11 01:43:28 <phantomcircuit> 2014-06-11 01:40:13 UpdateTip: new best=000000000000000004aac0994b88098da28d334c571739347abe9209df027655  height=279261  log2_work=75.526258  tx=30633780  date=2014-01-08 07:10:43 progress=0.401677
  95 2014-06-11 01:43:31 <phantomcircuit> lold
  96 2014-06-11 01:43:33 <phantomcircuit> no wonder nobody does this
  97 2014-06-11 01:43:37 <phantomcircuit> it's incredibly annoying
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 123 2014-06-11 02:17:03 <Luke-Jr> slush's proxy is a major CPU hog
 124 2014-06-11 02:17:29 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, the bitfury guys?
 125 2014-06-11 02:17:51 <phantomcircuit> no they wrote a stratum proxy into their mining client
 126 2014-06-11 02:18:01 <phantomcircuit> which is basically how cgminer/bfgminer work also
 127 2014-06-11 02:18:16 <phantomcircuit> except that theirs feels a lot more hacked on
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 296 2014-06-11 05:20:52 <grunz> guys, how do I see how many blocks are left for synchonization in bitcoin-cli. what is the command?
 297 2014-06-11 05:22:30 <gjs278> grunz: bitcoind getinfo
 298 2014-06-11 05:22:36 <gjs278>     "blocks" : 305204,
 299 2014-06-11 05:22:40 <gjs278> subtract from that
 300 2014-06-11 05:23:33 <grunz> i am in testnet
 301 2014-06-11 05:23:42 <grunz> how do I know how many is max?
 302 2014-06-11 05:23:51 <grunz> at this right moment
 303 2014-06-11 05:24:26 <maaku> blockchain.info
 304 2014-06-11 05:24:27 <kadoban> grunz: I think there's some peer info command isn't there? That should give you a good guess.
 305 2014-06-11 05:24:45 <maaku> or tail -f $APPDIR/debug.log
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 307 2014-06-11 05:24:50 <gmaxwell> peers can and do return random crap. You haven't said why you want to know.
 308 2014-06-11 05:25:00 <maaku> and grep for version messages
 309 2014-06-11 05:26:16 <maaku> (current is 261921 btw)
 310 2014-06-11 05:33:08 <grunz> does anyone has setup insight.is  locally with testnet? do you know which db should I put in ~/.insight/testnet ? how do i generate/create it?
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 381 2014-06-11 06:43:51 <michagogo> Luke-Jr: :-/
 382 2014-06-11 06:43:57 <michagogo> What's your gitian setup?
 383 2014-06-11 06:44:09 <Luke-Jr> michagogo: KVM, old install
 384 2014-06-11 06:44:10 <michagogo> And are you using clean VMs?
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 386 2014-06-11 06:44:29 <Luke-Jr> no
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 388 2014-06-11 06:44:34 <Luke-Jr> shouldn't need to?
 389 2014-06-11 06:44:42 <michagogo> (As opposed to stuffing all kinds of extra packages in there like Gavin)
 390 2014-06-11 06:44:54 <Luke-Jr> oh
 391 2014-06-11 06:44:56 <Luke-Jr> yeah
 392 2014-06-11 06:44:59 <michagogo> I mean for the gitian base vm
 393 2014-06-11 06:45:04 <Luke-Jr> just old ;)
 394 2014-06-11 06:45:23 <michagogo> Luke-Jr: what do the base manifests look like?
 395 2014-06-11 06:45:32 <Luke-Jr> ?
 396 2014-06-11 06:45:35 <michagogo> I mean, are they like ours?
 397 2014-06-11 06:45:39 <Luke-Jr> what?
 398 2014-06-11 06:45:49 <michagogo> (Are ours like each other, actually?)
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 400 2014-06-11 06:46:06 <michagogo> Luke-Jr: the gsigs include manifests of the VM
 401 2014-06-11 06:46:14 <Luke-Jr> oh
 402 2014-06-11 06:46:20 <michagogo> What packages are there, etc
 403 2014-06-11 06:46:22 <Luke-Jr> hard to compare since you guys use some new YAML format
 404 2014-06-11 06:46:24 <Luke-Jr> :x
 405 2014-06-11 06:46:29 <michagogo> You guys?
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 407 2014-06-11 06:46:40 <michagogo> I know wumpus does, I don't think I do
 408 2014-06-11 06:46:43 <Luke-Jr> oh
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 410 2014-06-11 06:46:47 <Luke-Jr> maybe I didn't see yours yet
 411 2014-06-11 06:47:00 <michagogo> (Also, you could just read them in and rewrite them :-P )
 412 2014-06-11 06:47:38 <michagogo> But yeah, I build with a precise host -- I think wumpus builds on something newer, and ruby changed their YAML writing or something likethat
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 414 2014-06-11 06:47:48 <wumpus> best is to read them in with a YAML parser than compare the outputs manifest in the data structure
 415 2014-06-11 06:48:49 <Luke-Jr> not sure I have a YAML parser :o
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 417 2014-06-11 06:49:42 <michagogo> Of course you do
 418 2014-06-11 06:49:56 <michagogo> Otherwise you couldn't run gitian :P
 419 2014-06-11 06:50:02 <Luke-Jr> I mean human-usable :p
 420 2014-06-11 06:50:12 <michagogo> Ruby is human-usable
 421 2014-06-11 06:50:24 <michagogo> And I'm sure python etc can do it too
 422 2014-06-11 06:50:26 <Luke-Jr> I would uninstall it if I could.
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 428 2014-06-11 06:53:24 <wumpus> well you can always use gverify that comes with gitian
 429 2014-06-11 06:53:57 <wumpus> though it should be more verbose on MISMATCH (as in, what files mismatch...)
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 431 2014-06-11 06:54:45 <wumpus> bleh I'm getting michagogo and laanwj: OK and gavinandresen and luke-jr: MISMATCH
 432 2014-06-11 06:55:01 <Luke-Jr> do Gavin and me match each other?
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 434 2014-06-11 06:55:15 <Luke-Jr> or not even that?
 435 2014-06-11 06:55:40 <wumpus> not even that; curiously, the bitcoin-cli's match but not the rest
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 438 2014-06-11 06:57:01 <wumpus> ugh manually comparing gavin's and my assert file it looks like everything is the same
 439 2014-06-11 06:57:12 <wumpus> gverify is bullshitting?
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 441 2014-06-11 06:57:42 <Belxjander> is it 100% the same on the byte level?
 442 2014-06-11 06:57:52 <Belxjander> is it whitespaced differenced?
 443 2014-06-11 06:57:57 <wumpus> luke-jr is the odd duck out
 444 2014-06-11 06:58:04 <Luke-Jr> :<
 445 2014-06-11 06:58:08 <wumpus> Belxjander: that shouldn't matter, it doesn't compare at the byte level
 446 2014-06-11 06:58:18 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: can you SHA256 your deps inputs?
 447 2014-06-11 06:58:20 <wumpus> ...at least it shouldn't 
 448 2014-06-11 06:58:22 <Luke-Jr> or are those not meant to match?
 449 2014-06-11 06:58:32 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: they're in doc/release-notes.md
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 453 2014-06-11 06:59:52 <wumpus> anyhow, need to verify why gverify is this strange
 454 2014-06-11 07:01:36 <wumpus> oh.. it compares against the previous manifest every time :-)
 455 2014-06-11 07:01:57 <wumpus> so if one doesn't match, you get two mismatches
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 461 2014-06-11 07:07:41 <wumpus> I'm surprised every time how easy ruby is, I don't know anything about it but I tend to get changes right the first time just by guessing
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 465 2014-06-11 07:14:20 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: you mean release-process.md
 466 2014-06-11 07:15:00 <Luke-Jr> linux deps mismatch
 467 2014-06-11 07:15:15 <Luke-Jr> linux boost mismatch
 468 2014-06-11 07:15:28 <Luke-Jr> linux qt mismatch
 469 2014-06-11 07:15:54 <Luke-Jr> win boost mismatch
 470 2014-06-11 07:16:28 <Luke-Jr> heck, they're ALL mismatched
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 472 2014-06-11 07:17:13 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: yes, it's weird, somehow only the bitcoin-cli matches, so all other deps are messed up? :)
 473 2014-06-11 07:17:19 <Luke-Jr> yep
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 475 2014-06-11 07:18:28 <Luke-Jr> maybe that LANG thing affects it?
 476 2014-06-11 07:18:44 * Luke-Jr rebuilds deps-linux to find out
 477 2014-06-11 07:18:47 <Luke-Jr> (with the new gitian)
 478 2014-06-11 07:18:57 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: could be, though I didn't rebuild all deps after the LANG thing either
 479 2014-06-11 07:19:08 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: but if you run with a non-default locale that'd may do it
 480 2014-06-11 07:19:14 <Luke-Jr> define default :p
 481 2014-06-11 07:19:24 <Luke-Jr> my OS tells me I must pick a locale
 482 2014-06-11 07:19:33 <wumpus> one that sorts strings differently from american english :)
 483 2014-06-11 07:20:03 <wumpus> anyhow it's worth a try
 484 2014-06-11 07:20:21 <Luke-Jr> I have LANG=en_GB.utf8 LC_COLLATE=C
 485 2014-06-11 07:20:35 <Luke-Jr> IMO it's a bad idea to be using LC_COLLATE=en_US.utf8 <.<
 486 2014-06-11 07:20:48 <Luke-Jr> I think only "C" is well-defined
 487 2014-06-11 07:21:09 <Luke-Jr> build logs have warnings now ../libtool: line 1124: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8)
 488 2014-06-11 07:21:26 <Luke-Jr> whose idea was it to use an invalid locale? <.<
 489 2014-06-11 07:21:38 <Luke-Jr> hm
 490 2014-06-11 07:21:41 <Luke-Jr> or is mine invalid? :D
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 492 2014-06-11 07:22:26 <wumpus> WHOA
 493 2014-06-11 07:22:37 <Luke-Jr> strange that eselect lists "utf8" forms instead of "UTF-8"
 494 2014-06-11 07:22:45 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: ?
 495 2014-06-11 07:22:55 <wumpus> no, it's valid, mine is at LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 496 2014-06-11 07:23:11 <michagogo> Luke-Jr: inputs are also in the gsigs
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 501 2014-06-11 07:24:38 <Luke-Jr> no change, still the same as last run
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 503 2014-06-11 07:25:03 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: I don't understand how en_US.UTF-8 can be invalid, at least in the guest machine (you may not have installed it on your host ofc)
 504 2014-06-11 07:25:04 * Luke-Jr boots the base to see if he can add that locale
 505 2014-06-11 07:25:30 <Luke-Jr> crap, what's the root pw? <.<
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 507 2014-06-11 07:25:40 <wumpus> so make-base-vm also can install with different locales installed *headache*
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 509 2014-06-11 07:25:56 <michagogo> Luke-Jr: sudo?
 510 2014-06-11 07:26:04 <wumpus> and if so, what does it base it on :/
 511 2014-06-11 07:26:05 <Luke-Jr> or user pw..
 512 2014-06-11 07:26:09 <michagogo> Try ubuntu
 513 2014-06-11 07:27:56 <michagogo> Luke-Jr: do you know about on-target?
 514 2014-06-11 07:28:10 <Luke-Jr> yes
 515 2014-06-11 07:28:18 <Luke-Jr> confirmed only en_GB.UTF-8 is installed
 516 2014-06-11 07:28:20 <Luke-Jr> on VM
 517 2014-06-11 07:28:29 <michagogo> Oh, right -- that uses pubkey
 518 2014-06-11 07:28:29 <Luke-Jr> /etc/locale.gen does not exist tho :/
 519 2014-06-11 07:28:44 <michagogo> And still need pw for sudo, unless it changed that
 520 2014-06-11 07:29:03 <michagogo> Oh, though you can on-target as root I think
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 522 2014-06-11 07:29:35 <Luke-Jr> yeah
 523 2014-06-11 07:29:39 <Luke-Jr> but this is easier
 524 2014-06-11 07:30:01 <michagogo> Did you get the pw?
 525 2014-06-11 07:30:15 <Luke-Jr> ubuntu :P
 526 2014-06-11 07:30:20 <michagogo> Ah
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 532 2014-06-11 07:30:39 <Luke-Jr> argh
 533 2014-06-11 07:30:46 <Luke-Jr> can't figure out how to build the en_US.UTF-8 locale
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 536 2014-06-11 07:31:31 <aschildbach> I have posted a teaser for the upcoming "sweep paper wallet" feature in Bitcoin Wallet: https://plus.google.com/101256420499771441772/posts/9kpmHY1QTu9 -- feel free to comment!
 537 2014-06-11 07:31:50 <Luke-Jr> got it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Locale
 538 2014-06-11 07:31:57 <Luke-Jr> var/lib/locales/supported.d
 539 2014-06-11 07:32:16 <Luke-Jr> aschildbach: a paper wallet is HD
 540 2014-06-11 07:32:25 <Jouke> aschildbach: awesome :D
 541 2014-06-11 07:33:04 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: maybe rebuild the images with LC_ALL/LANG set
 542 2014-06-11 07:33:08 <Jouke> I wouldn't use it myself, but I know that a lot of people are asking for this feature :).
 543 2014-06-11 07:33:09 <aschildbach> Luke-Jr: How do you mean? None of those I've collected have more than one key.
 544 2014-06-11 07:33:17 <Luke-Jr> aschildbach: then they're not paper wallets
 545 2014-06-11 07:33:58 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: hm, protobuf isn't seperate for linux/mac? :/
 546 2014-06-11 07:34:13 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: no, just part of the deps
 547 2014-06-11 07:34:42 <aschildbach> Who is defining the term "paper wallet"? A quick Google reveals "Paper wallets are generally created by printing a brand new public address and private key onto paper..."
 548 2014-06-11 07:35:42 <Jouke> aschildbach: everyone knows what you mean by paper wallet :)
 549 2014-06-11 07:35:47 <Luke-Jr> aschildbach: can't be a paper *wallet*, if it isn't usable as a wallet.
 550 2014-06-11 07:35:54 <aschildbach> Jouke: Yes, indeed. Actually people are asking for importing keys, but I guess they will be ok with sweeping instead.
 551 2014-06-11 07:36:16 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: match on deps-linux
 552 2014-06-11 07:36:42 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: thoughts on moving the ymls to subdirectories per OS? <.<
 553 2014-06-11 07:36:54 <aschildbach> Luke-Jr: Ok I understand the argument.
 554 2014-06-11 07:37:23 <dsnrk> aschildbach: (it's also madness to let user manage keys)
 555 2014-06-11 07:38:11 <wumpus> this makes gverify much more useful: https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/pull/58
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 557 2014-06-11 07:42:13 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: does anything use non-precise anymore?
 558 2014-06-11 07:42:26 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: no
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 563 2014-06-11 07:49:20 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: unless you plan on building old releases of course
 564 2014-06-11 07:49:46 <Luke-Jr> well, old releases didn't have this problem anyway
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 576 2014-06-11 07:58:32 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: qt still mismatches
 577 2014-06-11 07:58:45 <Luke-Jr> but let's see if it matters…
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 584 2014-06-11 08:02:52 <Luke-Jr> whee, it's the season of "hey, your PGP key expired" reports long after I update it <.<
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 590 2014-06-11 08:09:36 <Hasimir> Luke-Jr, such reports always come from those who never run: gpg --refresh-keys
 591 2014-06-11 08:11:05 <Luke-Jr> hopefully posting about it to the BFGMiner thread will quench some
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 595 2014-06-11 08:14:28 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: match on linux!
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 597 2014-06-11 08:14:36 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: woohoo!
 598 2014-06-11 08:15:06 <Luke-Jr> time to rebuild windows
 599 2014-06-11 08:15:12 <Luke-Jr> then I'll maybe try mac
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 605 2014-06-11 08:22:25 <gdm85> Luke-Jr, wumpus: I saw the comment, it means that VMs generated before the patch have the issue or that make-base-vm needs to be patched too?
 606 2014-06-11 08:23:09 <Luke-Jr> gdm85: both
 607 2014-06-11 08:23:22 <wumpus> gdm85: I'm not sure what the solution is, I just signalled the problem :) I do think though that the same environment normalization has to be done at the beginning of make-base-vm, and that people that get 'wrong' outputs need to re-generate their images with that
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 611 2014-06-11 08:24:51 <Luke-Jr> easier to edit the images <.<
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 613 2014-06-11 08:25:10 <wumpus> not really easier
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 615 2014-06-11 08:25:15 <Hasimir> I assume this is some problem with virtualbox?
 616 2014-06-11 08:25:30 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: faster*
 617 2014-06-11 08:25:37 <Luke-Jr> Hasimir: I use KVM, not VBox
 618 2014-06-11 08:25:46 <Hasimir> ok
 619 2014-06-11 08:25:47 <wumpus> and easier to mess up, I prefer the 'nuke from orbit solution', but sure, if you know what you're doing :)
 620 2014-06-11 08:25:51 <Luke-Jr> anyhow, I'm getting to bed.. sorry, tired and gotta be up soon x.x
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 622 2014-06-11 08:26:07 <Hasimir> 'night ...
 623 2014-06-11 08:26:26 <Luke-Jr> (this morning I woke after ~2 hrs of sleep to my 6 year old with a big gash in his forehead, sigh)
 624 2014-06-11 08:26:28 <wumpus> night
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 662 2014-06-11 09:05:15 <gdm85> wumpus: yeah, the necessity of changing also make-base-vm was part of my original request, but I forgot it along the way.. I will try to come up with a patch for make-base-vm too
 663 2014-06-11 09:06:36 <gdm85> BlueMattBot contacts me with PMs about its bugs? :s
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 678 2014-06-11 09:13:07 <gdm85> Luke-Jr: can you confirm that the locale problem makes mismatching hashes? or it was due to other reasons?
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 682 2014-06-11 09:14:15 <Hasimir> gdm85, he's gone to bed, you'll have to leave a msg for him
 683 2014-06-11 09:14:23 <gdm85> Hasimir: ah, ok. thanks
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 685 2014-06-11 09:14:58 <Hasimir> or email ...
 686 2014-06-11 09:15:41 <gdm85> wumpus: the normalization is not done in make-base-vm, that would be changing host. in gbuild normalization is done in the VM-executed script. right now I first would need to verify that it's not a red herring e.g. the patch we merged is breaking stuff
 687 2014-06-11 09:16:30 <wumpus> gdm85: well the thing is that luke-jr somehow has a guest vm with en_GB locale only, so *somehow* the host locale leaked into the installtion of the guest image
 688 2014-06-11 09:16:42 <wumpus> gdm85: pretty sure that's not a red herring :)
 689 2014-06-11 09:16:54 <gdm85> wumpus: what do you mean by host locale?
 690 2014-06-11 09:17:07 <wumpus> the locale setting of the host 
 691 2014-06-11 09:17:24 <wumpus> ie, the environment that creates the image
 692 2014-06-11 09:17:34 <gdm85> wumpus: en_US.UTF-8 is not coming from the host, it's injected in the VM environment on purpose
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 694 2014-06-11 09:17:56 <wumpus> gdm85: ... I know that, what i mean, is that the VM image he was using was invalid
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 696 2014-06-11 09:18:15 <wumpus> somehow if you have a different locale and do create-base-vm, you get a different base vm image
 697 2014-06-11 09:18:20 <wumpus> that's wrong
 698 2014-06-11 09:18:26 <gdm85> oh, I get it now
 699 2014-06-11 09:18:50 <gdm85> some LC_* or LANG coming from its environment, but we have not mentioned what either here or on the github issues
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 701 2014-06-11 09:19:31 <gdm85> so the override when gbuild'ing seems like not enough if the VM was built with leaked locales
 702 2014-06-11 09:19:55 <gdm85> I can test this scenario quite easily
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 704 2014-06-11 09:22:21 <wumpus> gdm85: exactly, because the en_US locale may not even be present
 705 2014-06-11 09:22:54 <gdm85> wumpus: if it's not present it should pick 'C', that might by luck give out good builds
 706 2014-06-11 09:23:09 <gdm85> I commented here: https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/pull/57#issuecomment-45719439
 707 2014-06-11 09:23:35 <wumpus> maybe... but I'd *still* make sure that the make-base-vm output doesn't depend on the host system's locale, it excludes a potential source of pain later
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 709 2014-06-11 09:23:42 <gdm85> sure
 710 2014-06-11 09:23:59 <gdm85> perhaps we should go with en_GB.UTF-8?
 711 2014-06-11 09:24:21 <wumpus> using the C locale makes sense though
 712 2014-06-11 09:24:23 <wumpus> gdm85: why?
 713 2014-06-11 09:24:37 <gdm85> wumpus: laziness, because it comes preinstalled and doesn't require locales changes
 714 2014-06-11 09:25:01 <wumpus> gdm85: why would en_GB always come preinstalled?
 715 2014-06-11 09:25:24 <gdm85> wumpus: because Luke-Jr confirmed it's there and I assume he didn't install it manually nor gitian-builder/vmbuilder do?
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 717 2014-06-11 09:25:47 <wumpus> sigh
 718 2014-06-11 09:25:52 <gdm85> I am just thinking that it might be the one that ships by default on Trusty
 719 2014-06-11 09:25:57 <wumpus> he uses en_GB on his host, that's why it leaked in
 720 2014-06-11 09:26:21 <gdm85> ok, but I didn't read this anywhere..sorry
 721 2014-06-11 09:26:27 <gdm85> <Luke-Jr> confirmed only en_GB.UTF-8 is installed
 722 2014-06-11 09:26:37 <wumpus> if he used fa_IR, that'd be the only locale on the image
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 725 2014-06-11 09:27:02 <gdm85> sure, this snippet was misleading me: https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/pull/57#issuecomment-45709910
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 727 2014-06-11 09:27:29 <wumpus> he's only saying what is the case on his machine, that doesn't make it general law :P (he'd wish)
 728 2014-06-11 09:27:29 <gdm85> so for some reason the vmbuilder is installing the locale of host? weird
 729 2014-06-11 09:28:03 <gdm85> anyway, the `LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 LANG=en_US.UTF-8 vmbuilder ...` will fix what he experienced
 730 2014-06-11 09:28:14 <gdm85> e.g. installing the leaked locales on VM by default
 731 2014-06-11 09:28:42 <wumpus> gdm85: yes I'm fairly sure that would fix it
 732 2014-06-11 09:28:51 <gdm85> I am going to test what happens, possibly results this afternoon
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 750 2014-06-11 09:55:36 <gribble> I have not seen trevp.
 751 2014-06-11 09:56:50 <gdm85> wumpus: any advice for this issue? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/4324
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 979 2014-06-11 12:04:06 <gdm85> wumpus: gitian.sigs repository doesn't contain a directory for 0.9.2rc2. have you put your signatures somewhere for reference?
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 983 2014-06-11 12:06:04 <wumpus> gdm85: https://github.com/bitcoin/gitian.sigs/tree/master/0.9.2rc2 
 984 2014-06-11 12:06:21 * gdm85 *facepalm*
 985 2014-06-11 12:06:24 <gdm85> ok, thanks
 986 2014-06-11 12:06:43 <wumpus> not sure why you couldn't find it, four people have built it already
 987 2014-06-11 12:06:53 <gdm85> wumpus: because I was looking at my fork.. :\
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 996 2014-06-11 12:11:39 <PLM3> Yeah hi. I'm trying to send some coins by using bitcoin-cli, is there a way to know that the fee will be when I do "bitcoin-cli sendtoaddress ADDR AMOUNT" ?
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 998 2014-06-11 12:12:06 <sipa> no, it depends on the size of the transaction (in bytes), which isn't known before the transaction is created
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1000 2014-06-11 12:13:06 <PLM3> I see
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1003 2014-06-11 12:15:04 <PLM3> Let me rephrase myself a bit. I need to send some coins out by using bitcoin-cli, currently it tells me that I need to set tx fee to at least 0.0001, because of tx complexity
1004 2014-06-11 12:15:14 <PLM3> I need to do this manually by using "settxfee" ?
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1006 2014-06-11 12:15:42 <sipa> no
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1014 2014-06-11 12:18:53 <PLM3> what you mean "no" ?
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1016 2014-06-11 12:21:47 <PLM3> sipa: you mean like 1) no, I don't need to manually set the fee, there's a option to make this tx go through with higher fee   or 2)no, this transaction is not going anywhere, forget it    ?
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1021 2014-06-11 12:24:07 <sipa> normally it will just add the fee automatically
1022 2014-06-11 12:24:15 <sipa> if it fails, it is because it couldn't add the fee
1023 2014-06-11 12:24:21 <sipa> perhaps because you don't have enough balance
1024 2014-06-11 12:25:28 <PLM3> 0.0001BTC  <- is this considered dust?
1025 2014-06-11 12:25:45 <sipa> no
1026 2014-06-11 12:25:55 <PLM3> I fail to move it out of a wallet
1027 2014-06-11 12:26:11 <sipa> is that all your balance?
1028 2014-06-11 12:26:15 <PLM3> yes
1029 2014-06-11 12:26:40 <sipa> did you receive it in many small incoming transactions?
1030 2014-06-11 12:26:59 <PLM3> one incoming transaction of 0.0001BTC
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1032 2014-06-11 12:27:14 <sipa> that should work fine
1033 2014-06-11 12:27:20 <sipa> you may need a fee though
1034 2014-06-11 12:27:42 <sipa> just sending the entire wallet balance somewhere won't work, as you'd have nothing left to pay the fee
1035 2014-06-11 12:28:02 <PLM3> I've tried 0.00008BTC, failed too
1036 2014-06-11 12:28:17 <sipa> what client version?
1037 2014-06-11 12:28:27 <PLM3> 0.9.1
1038 2014-06-11 12:30:10 <sipa> ah, yes, the fee will be 0.0001
1039 2014-06-11 12:30:18 <sipa> in 09.1
1040 2014-06-11 12:30:20 <sipa> in 0.9.1
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1061 2014-06-11 12:46:38 <hearn> 0.0001 is the old fee
1062 2014-06-11 12:46:43 <hearn> the new fee is 0.00001, i think
1063 2014-06-11 12:46:54 <hearn> although it takes a while for such transactions to get confirmed
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1086 2014-06-11 12:57:27 <PLM3> hearn: so if I "settxfee 0.00001", I should succeed in my tx ?
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1091 2014-06-11 12:57:59 <hearn> i think so, but try it. if you're trying to empty your wallet of course you have to subtract the actual required fee (which is calculated based on tx size so may be multiples of the min fee)
1092 2014-06-11 12:58:07 <hearn> btw bitcoinj does all this automatically
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1123 2014-06-11 13:17:39 <gdm85> (gitian-builder) although make-base-vm (--lxc) is not parallel-safe, I think gbuild instead is? I'd need to make some tests but the script seems fine
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1125 2014-06-11 13:19:24 <wumpus> gdm85: what do you mean by parallel safe? you can't call gbuild multiples times at the same time, if you mean that
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1127 2014-06-11 13:19:54 <wumpus> gitian does not spin up multiple VMs
1128 2014-06-11 13:20:03 <gdm85> wumpus: running 2 make-base-vm commands at same time won't work because of the way LXC is handled inside there. imagine 2 terminals on same host, and you run the command from both at same time
1129 2014-06-11 13:20:19 <gdm85> wumpus: I thought it does, using qcow2-backed snapshots
1130 2014-06-11 13:20:36 <wumpus> same will be true for gbuild, at least with KVM it first kills the previous VM
1131 2014-06-11 13:20:50 <wumpus> I don't know about LXC, but I'm pretty sure it's not a officially supported thing :)
1132 2014-06-11 13:21:23 <gdm85> if it identifies the VM by architecture, then perhaps the i386 and amd64 could be run in parallel?
1133 2014-06-11 13:21:31 <wumpus> ...possibly
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1135 2014-06-11 13:22:15 <wumpus> one thing I do know for sure is that you can increase make parallelism within the gbuild
1136 2014-06-11 13:22:35 <gdm85> that's something already
1137 2014-06-11 13:23:07 <gdm85> I see num_procs=2 and memory=2000 by default
1138 2014-06-11 13:23:23 <wumpus> does num_procs and memory affect LXC at all?
1139 2014-06-11 13:23:32 <wumpus> I don't think so
1140 2014-06-11 13:24:00 <gdm85> wumpus: num_procs it's basically the value passed in make -j, so that does
1141 2014-06-11 13:24:36 <gdm85> the other one, I think it doesn't
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1143 2014-06-11 13:25:04 <wumpus> you can also provide it on the command line, gbuild -jX
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1145 2014-06-11 13:25:18 <gdm85> wumpus: yes that's how I'd use it
1146 2014-06-11 13:26:20 <gdm85> it's not officially supported = by bitcoin project you mean?
1147 2014-06-11 13:27:02 <wumpus> it's not officially supported as in "no one tested it before or made special preparations for it"
1148 2014-06-11 13:27:28 <wumpus> gbuild in itself is very heavy here, I've never even considered running multiple at the same time
1149 2014-06-11 13:28:19 <gdm85> it's officially supported by gitian-builder. the premise is that it is equivalent to KVM, programs running inside these VMs can't know the difference unless looking specifically for them
1150 2014-06-11 13:28:42 <wumpus> ok whatever, do what you like
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1154 2014-06-11 13:30:49 <wumpus> you're very wrong: gbuild instances all use the same ouput directory, and it deletes the output directory at startup, I'm sure that can collide in various ways
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1157 2014-06-11 13:31:49 <gdm85> obviously. if there were no --lxc option in gitian-builder, I wouldn't have bothered at testing it in first place
1158 2014-06-11 13:32:24 <gdm85> wumpus: I was asking if gbuild could be parallelized, I didn't say it could
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1160 2014-06-11 13:32:31 <wumpus> so how can you claim it is officially supported? heck, I don't even want to know, I'm tired of arguing this
1161 2014-06-11 13:32:47 <gdm85> except that there is no argument here.
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1164 2014-06-11 13:33:10 <gdm85> I said LXC is officially supported by gitian-builder
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1166 2014-06-11 13:33:28 <wumpus> oh sure! I thought you meant parallelism with gbuild
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1169 2014-06-11 13:33:41 <wumpus> as in calling gbuild multiple times at once
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1171 2014-06-11 13:33:44 <gdm85> no no..that's the experiment part..and I already expected it to be impossible, was asking here if somebody tried
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1174 2014-06-11 13:35:15 <gdm85> btw, with the further patch for make-base-vm, boost hashes already match
1175 2014-06-11 13:35:33 <wumpus> cool!
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1178 2014-06-11 13:37:05 <gdm85> however now I am thinking that becase Luke-Jr didn't provide the LC_*/LANG variables he uses, this test might be biased. in my env I have lots of LC_* but not LC_ALL and LANG. perhaps he had en_GB.UTF-8 there..
1179 2014-06-11 13:37:15 <gdm85> I mean, it would have been best to try with exact env variables
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1191 2014-06-11 13:49:03 <wumpus> yes, that would have been the way to make sure
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1229 2014-06-11 14:27:59 <gdm85> wumpus: matching signatures. I will send another PR to devrandom about this
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1244 2014-06-11 14:44:00 <Luke-Jr> SomeoneWeird: 4, in fact.
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1246 2014-06-11 14:44:53 <Luke-Jr> [09:09:32] <gdm85> Luke-Jr: can you confirm that the locale problem makes mismatching hashes? or it was due to other reasons? <-- it was
1247 2014-06-11 14:45:13 <gdm85> Luke-Jr: I am going to submit a patch for that problem
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1251 2014-06-11 14:47:02 <gavinandresen> wumpus: is pull-tester broken again?  And what’s up with 0.9.2rc2 ?
1252 2014-06-11 14:47:08 <Luke-Jr> [09:21:49] <gdm85> wumpus: because Luke-Jr confirmed it's there and I assume he didn't install it manually nor gitian-builder/vmbuilder do? <-- en_GB.UTF-8 is what I use normally, as I mentioned earlier: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=C
1253 2014-06-11 14:47:18 <Luke-Jr> (done with backlog here, gotta run)
1254 2014-06-11 14:47:20 <wumpus> gavinandresen: yes, pulltester is broken, the disk is full
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1257 2014-06-11 14:47:43 <wumpus> gavinandresen: as for rc2 it's mainly because of the openssl upgrade
1258 2014-06-11 14:47:48 <gdm85> Luke-Jr: ok, I will run another test with those 2, to further verify if patch holds
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1260 2014-06-11 14:48:31 <gavinandresen> wumpus: ok, I can fix the pulltester machine.  I need to delete the old bitcoin.org-jekyll-vm so I was planning on doing some sysadmin work today
1261 2014-06-11 14:48:36 <wumpus> gavinandresen: no problems have been reported with rc1 AFAIK
1262 2014-06-11 14:49:20 <wumpus> gavinandresen: ok, I mailed BlueMatt about pulltester access, would be useful if cory and me could get at it as well
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1264 2014-06-11 14:49:42 <gavinandresen> wumpus: I think you do, you just don’t know that you do :-)
1265 2014-06-11 14:49:51 <gavinandresen> wumpus: I’ll email y’all details
1266 2014-06-11 14:49:58 <wumpus> :-) okay that's very possible
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1269 2014-06-11 14:53:05 <phantomcircuit> 2014-06-11 14:53:20 UpdateTip: new best=0000000000000000047636c5c3583c19e4c529e53a4eef0c93a2df9658cfb502  height=280314  log2_work=75.690497  tx=30931118  date=2014-01-13 16:13:54 progress=0.420748
1270 2014-06-11 14:53:08 <phantomcircuit> lold
1271 2014-06-11 14:53:19 <phantomcircuit> this is gonna take forever
1272 2014-06-11 14:53:24 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: you here?
1273 2014-06-11 14:54:17 <gavinandresen> phantomcircuit: what hardware are you sync’ing on?  SSD or spinning disk?
1274 2014-06-11 14:54:33 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, valgrind
1275 2014-06-11 14:54:39 <phantomcircuit> dat callgraph
1276 2014-06-11 14:54:48 <gavinandresen> phantomcircuit: oh, valgrind……
1277 2014-06-11 14:55:18 <gavinandresen> phantomcircuit: kudos to you for doing it.
1278 2014-06-11 14:55:20 <phantomcircuit> im thinking it's going to take ~70 hours total
1279 2014-06-11 14:55:40 <phantomcircuit> been posting progress updates every morning
1280 2014-06-11 14:55:44 <helo> not as bad as i might have guessed
1281 2014-06-11 14:56:07 <phantomcircuit> helo, that's with sipa's patch to avoid recalculating tx hashes
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1283 2014-06-11 14:56:22 <phantomcircuit> w/o that i think it would be more like 90-100 hours
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1287 2014-06-11 15:02:05 <gdm85> Luke-Jr: https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/pull/59
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1292 2014-06-11 15:05:59 <tonikt> guys, the rule that mined coins cannot be spent before 120 confirmations - is it in block chain protocol, or is it only a limitation of the client?
1293 2014-06-11 15:06:05 <hearn> it's 100
1294 2014-06-11 15:06:25 <tonikt> oh, that's why I could not find it in the code
1295 2014-06-11 15:06:39 <tonikt> cheers, man
1296 2014-06-11 15:07:12 <tonikt> now I see it's in the block chain protocol
1297 2014-06-11 15:08:54 <wumpus> there used to be an extra rule of 120 blocks in the bitcoin core wallet, but is was removed quite some time ago
1298 2014-06-11 15:09:03 <wumpus> afaik other wallets never had that rule at all
1299 2014-06-11 15:09:29 <andytoshi> tonikt: the relevant constant is COINBASE_MATURITY, which you can grep for, it's only used in a couple places
1300 2014-06-11 15:10:14 <andytoshi> where you see COINBASE_MATURITY+1 used to be COINBASE_MATURITY+20, that was the 120-block rule
1301 2014-06-11 15:10:30 <tonikt> andytoshi: yes - I found it, indeed. thanks.
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1369 2014-06-11 16:35:17 <gavinandresen> Any python coders here with an hour or two to spare? I’m looking to outsource some code I need written: https://gist.github.com/gavinandresen/88f2f247f574fe16bd57
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1380 2014-06-11 16:47:15 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, delimiter?
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1383 2014-06-11 16:47:35 <gavinandresen> phantomcircuit: delimiter ????
1384 2014-06-11 16:47:54 <phantomcircuit> json files or json filenames
1385 2014-06-11 16:48:07 <gavinandresen> concatenated JSON objects on standard input.
1386 2014-06-11 16:48:08 <phantomcircuit> newline delimiters?
1387 2014-06-11 16:48:16 <phantomcircuit> lol nothx
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1389 2014-06-11 16:48:25 <gavinandresen> … shouldn’t matter, just read a JSON object until you hit EOF
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1391 2014-06-11 16:48:52 <phantomcircuit> wait is it one json object per execution?
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1393 2014-06-11 16:49:07 <phantomcircuit> or are you going to do something like echo "{}{}"|python program.py
1394 2014-06-11 16:49:14 <gavinandresen> (because I’ll drive it with ‘cat 2014*.json | make_a_nice_graph.py > graph.html” )
1395 2014-06-11 16:50:38 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, python json tools are pretty much all or nothing
1396 2014-06-11 16:50:50 <phantomcircuit> im not aware of a json decoder which operates on a stream like that
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1398 2014-06-11 16:51:00 <phantomcircuit> xml? sure json? ehhhh
1399 2014-06-11 16:51:29 <gavinandresen> phantomcircuit: okey dokey, the point of outsourcing is to get somebody ELSE to figure all that out.....
1400 2014-06-11 16:51:51 <phantomcircuit> right im saying that if you throw a delimiter into the spec it becomes trivial
1401 2014-06-11 16:51:53 <phantomcircuit> without it....
1402 2014-06-11 16:51:56 <gavinandresen> (e.g. splitting up stream at }whitespace{ would probably be fine)
1403 2014-06-11 16:52:25 <phantomcircuit> ie your RFQ isn't completely defined
1404 2014-06-11 16:52:27 <phantomcircuit> :P
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1406 2014-06-11 16:52:38 <michagogo> gavinandresen: well, that would mean requiring whitespace at the beginning or end of the json files
1407 2014-06-11 16:52:41 <gavinandresen> phantomcircuit: meh. I give sample input....
1408 2014-06-11 16:53:29 <jgarzik_> phantomcircuit, XML?  Isn't use of XML classified as a war crime these days?  Or at least cruel and unusual punishment.
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1410 2014-06-11 16:54:04 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik_, generally speaking yes, but afaik there isn't a streaming json decoder in python yet
1411 2014-06-11 16:54:10 <phantomcircuit> an opportunity for you to write one!
1412 2014-06-11 16:54:12 <gavinandresen> michagogo: ??? python’s re.split should do the right thing with }whitespace{
1413 2014-06-11 16:54:23 <michagogo> Oh, you meant that literally
1414 2014-06-11 16:54:38 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, only if you're sure that is actually the delimiter :P
1415 2014-06-11 16:54:39 * michagogo doesn't know python
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1417 2014-06-11 16:54:45 <michagogo> But what I said is still true
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1419 2014-06-11 16:54:53 <phantomcircuit> hmm actually that isn't valid inside a json object
1420 2014-06-11 16:54:55 <phantomcircuit> so it should be
1421 2014-06-11 16:55:03 <michagogo> You need to know that the json files will either begin or end with whitespace
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1423 2014-06-11 16:55:43 <gavinandresen> afk, lunch.  There’s 0.2 BTC waiting if anybody wants to do a little coding....
1424 2014-06-11 16:55:56 <michagogo> Too bad it's Python
1425 2014-06-11 16:56:19 <michagogo> If Ruby worked, I might give it a try if the Google thing isn't too complicated
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1427 2014-06-11 16:56:25 <gavinandresen> michagogo: if you want to write it in bash that’d be fine.  But not ruby or php or anything else I’d have to install on the server
1428 2014-06-11 16:56:32 <michagogo> Right.
1429 2014-06-11 16:57:33 <michagogo> Hm, I wonder if a ruby-to-python translator exists? :P
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1431 2014-06-11 16:58:19 <phantomcircuit> michagogo, yes but lol noooo
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1433 2014-06-11 16:59:32 <phantomcircuit> 2014-06-11 16:59:04 UpdateTip: new best=000000000000000052ac9fbddcd5b405f31245accb85ca1eed3d40b431650446  height=280456  log2_work=75.716095  tx=30979481  date=2014-01-14 13:22:39 progress=0.423863
1434 2014-06-11 16:59:44 <michagogo> gavinandresen: does ruby compiled into a .pyc count?
1435 2014-06-11 16:59:51 <phantomcircuit> anybody know if there's a way to get valgrind to write a valid callgraph before it exits?
1436 2014-06-11 17:00:04 <michagogo> https://github.com/whymirror/unholy appears to do that
1437 2014-06-11 17:00:09 <phantomcircuit> actually nvm
1438 2014-06-11 17:00:25 <phantomcircuit> [ perf record: Captured and wrote 8667.109 MB perf.data (~378671768 samples) ]
1439 2014-06-11 17:00:28 <michagogo> (though it looks like it hasn't been updated since 2008... maybe it doesn't work)
1440 2014-06-11 17:00:29 <phantomcircuit> lol forgot i was running that
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1446 2014-06-11 17:05:06 <Luke-Jr> gdm85: wumpus: keep in mind that en_US.UTF-8 is subject to change as USA culture changes
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1451 2014-06-11 17:06:49 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: for a minute or two
1452 2014-06-11 17:07:04 <Luke-Jr> devrandom: see above
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1460 2014-06-11 17:13:43 <berndj-blackout> doing it in bash: challenge accepted
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1462 2014-06-11 17:15:57 <edcba> i thought usa culture doesn't exist
1463 2014-06-11 17:16:24 <michagogo> berndj-blackout: if you actually do that, I'll throw in another 5%
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1466 2014-06-11 17:22:34 <michagogo> Does bitcoind take a SIGTERM and exit cleanly?
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1471 2014-06-11 17:25:04 <berndj-blackout> it does with ^C aka SIGINT, i can't imagine SIGTERM doing anything less clean
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1509 2014-06-11 17:57:56 <Luke-Jr> edcba: there are reasons I use en_GB instead of en_US ;)
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1512 2014-06-11 17:59:39 <dexX7> somewhat ot: looks like coinkite adopted counterparties "let's create a bunch of unspent outputs so they are available" policy x.x http://blog.coinkite.com/post/88396049981/new-feature-flex-liquidity-smart-utxo-management
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1523 2014-06-11 18:06:13 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: over a long time you're right, but over the time that one release matters I'd hope USA culture doesn't change enough for the locale to change enough to produce indeterministic output between builders :p
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1525 2014-06-11 18:07:26 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: if only there would be an additional requirement that a build in 200 years will still give the same output :)
1526 2014-06-11 18:08:01 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: one of the goals of gitian is so we can reproduce the identical build years later
1527 2014-06-11 18:10:25 <Luke-Jr> anyhow, in other news
1528 2014-06-11 18:10:43 <Luke-Jr> my webserver ran about a week without any interruption of service, without bitcoin-seeder running
1529 2014-06-11 18:10:53 <Luke-Jr> just started bitcoin-seeder <1 hr ago, and XO.net is DoSing me again
1530 2014-06-11 18:11:01 <Luke-Jr> so, I'd say the connection is pretty much confirmed
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1541 2014-06-11 18:30:54 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, dns seed?
1542 2014-06-11 18:31:34 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: yes
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1544 2014-06-11 18:32:32 <phantomcircuit> Luke-Jr, what's the DoS look like
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1546 2014-06-11 18:33:25 <cfields> wumpus: for the EC sanity check, i assume if libsecp256k1 is enabled, it should just return true?
1547 2014-06-11 18:34:05 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: they continue to advertise a route to my subnet, yet blackhole packets to my IP
1548 2014-06-11 18:34:16 <Luke-Jr> to/from
1549 2014-06-11 18:34:56 <wumpus> cfields: yes
1550 2014-06-11 18:35:06 <wumpus> cfields: we're always sane in that case
1551 2014-06-11 18:35:19 <cfields> roger, pushing
1552 2014-06-11 18:35:27 <wumpus> cfields: (but other sanity checks could be added in the future, so don't remove the entire function in that case)
1553 2014-06-11 18:35:30 <phantomcircuit> well that's nasty
1554 2014-06-11 18:35:48 <cfields> wumpus: nah, i'll just add to the ifdef mess for now
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1566 2014-06-11 18:43:28 <mr_burdell> regarding this: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/66
1567 2014-06-11 18:43:43 <mr_burdell> if you know the addresses, is there a way to find if they are in your chains?
1568 2014-06-11 18:43:54 <mr_burdell> so you don't even need the gap limit for internal chains?
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1570 2014-06-11 18:45:10 <mr_burdell> also, I don't see how you can prevent reusing addresses by accident... if two transactions are being created separately from the same wallet, how would they not both choose the same change address?
1571 2014-06-11 18:45:23 <maaku> poor wumpus@github
1572 2014-06-11 18:45:28 <mr_burdell> if the transaction hasn't been broadcasted yet
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1574 2014-06-11 18:48:17 <wumpus> mr_burdell: because you keep a counter...
1575 2014-06-11 18:48:26 <cfields> maaku: just wait until he starts ACKing things...
1576 2014-06-11 18:48:39 <maaku> haha
1577 2014-06-11 18:48:43 <wumpus> every time you need a new change address you pick the next one
1578 2014-06-11 18:48:45 <wumpus> maaku: hah indeed
1579 2014-06-11 18:48:48 <mr_burdell> wumpus: but then you can't restore from seed
1580 2014-06-11 18:49:04 <mr_burdell> since you might miss something
1581 2014-06-11 18:49:09 <mr_burdell> unless you have your counter too
1582 2014-06-11 18:49:11 <wumpus> mr_burdell: of course you can, you just scan for the addresses, and have a certain gap limit
1583 2014-06-11 18:49:16 <mr_burdell> so you need to restore from seed+counter
1584 2014-06-11 18:49:42 <wumpus> mr_burdell: so you allow for gaps of up to 20 unconfirmed transactions, for example
1585 2014-06-11 18:49:48 <mr_burdell> ok, so then you allow configurable gap limit
1586 2014-06-11 18:49:57 <mr_burdell> which is a usability problem
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1588 2014-06-11 18:50:14 <mr_burdell> no one understands what the gap limit means
1589 2014-06-11 18:50:43 <wumpus> then they better learn :)
1590 2014-06-11 18:51:19 <mr_burdell> that's fine by me... but I already know what it means
1591 2014-06-11 18:51:29 <mr_burdell> try explaining to someone on the street
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1593 2014-06-11 18:51:49 <mr_burdell> and then tell them if they don't understand, they have a potential to lose their money
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1597 2014-06-11 18:52:56 <wumpus> best would be to just define a value that's enough for everyone
1598 2014-06-11 18:53:02 <wumpus> and standardize that
1599 2014-06-11 18:53:07 <wumpus> say, 50
1600 2014-06-11 18:53:39 <mr_burdell> my opinion for that is that there should be two modes: normal, and merchant
1601 2014-06-11 18:53:42 <wumpus> if you really send that much transactions that that becomes a problem, well sucks for you, you're flooding the block chain
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1603 2014-06-11 18:53:52 <mr_burdell> normal = 20 or so, and merchant = 1000 or more
1604 2014-06-11 18:53:58 <mr_burdell> something large
1605 2014-06-11 18:54:59 <mr_burdell> but even with the gap limit... you have potential to reuse addresses if you create two transactions at once
1606 2014-06-11 18:55:16 <mr_burdell> or send one to a merchant and they don't broadcast it for a period of time
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1608 2014-06-11 18:56:09 <wumpus> given that you have proper synchronization in case and/or atomic counters I wouldn't expect that
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1610 2014-06-11 18:57:04 <mr_burdell> except if you restore from seed in the middle of that
1611 2014-06-11 18:57:38 <mr_burdell> basically, you're saying that to restore from seed you need to also have your metadata
1612 2014-06-11 18:57:40 <wumpus> oh sure, but if you just had to restore from a backup I'm sure you have more important issues on your mind
1613 2014-06-11 18:58:30 <mr_burdell> the point is you should never have to back anything up
1614 2014-06-11 18:58:33 <wumpus> well I see it as a desparate measure, you should keep good care of your metadata anyway, but you can lose it and restore from the seed if you really need to
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1616 2014-06-11 18:58:41 <mr_burdell> you just keep your seed and restore every time you want to spend
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1619 2014-06-11 18:59:16 <mr_burdell> allowing you to use a readonly OS or something
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1621 2014-06-11 18:59:58 <wumpus> well if you want that use-case, you'll reuse addresses
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1625 2014-06-11 19:06:00 <BlueMatt> wumpus: gavin also has access to pull-tester, he usually fixes it these days :(
1626 2014-06-11 19:06:36 <berndj-blackout> okay, what's the best way to respond to gavin's outsource request? comment on the gist or what?
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1628 2014-06-11 19:08:09 <gdm85> cfields: I submitted the patch you proposed and it was merged. sorry if you planned to do that..I thought it was being left behind
1629 2014-06-11 19:08:30 <gdm85> Luke-Jr: meh..it's a first step. afterwards one could try using 'C'
1630 2014-06-11 19:08:42 * gdm85 does not have preference for any locale
1631 2014-06-11 19:08:58 <cfields> gdm85: no worries, thanks for doing it
1632 2014-06-11 19:09:06 <gdm85> np
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1634 2014-06-11 19:09:36 <michagogo> BlueMatt: he knows
1635 2014-06-11 19:09:38 <cfields> BlueMatt: i've poked at it in the past as well, but my ssh key is no longer working
1636 2014-06-11 19:09:52 <cfields> BlueMatt: mind having a look?
1637 2014-06-11 19:10:03 <BlueMatt> strange, 1 sec
1638 2014-06-11 19:10:38 <BlueMatt> wumpus: hmm, you actually have an account, **Never logged in**, though
1639 2014-06-11 19:10:38 <cfields> that, or i'm ssh'ing to the wrong place :)
1640 2014-06-11 19:10:51 <BlueMatt> ssh cfields@jenkins.bluematt.me ?
1641 2014-06-11 19:11:18 <cfields> BlueMatt: aha, that did it, thanks.
1642 2014-06-11 19:11:22 <BlueMatt> :)
1643 2014-06-11 19:11:36 <wumpus> BlueMatt: gavin created one today
1644 2014-06-11 19:11:38 <cfields> i'm usually cory or theuni for ssh, i forgot i have a new persona here :)
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1648 2014-06-11 19:16:32 <cfields> BlueMatt: i suppose you've already done some disk cleanup?
1649 2014-06-11 19:16:41 <BlueMatt> no?
1650 2014-06-11 19:16:43 <BlueMatt> maybe gavin did
1651 2014-06-11 19:16:57 <cfields> mm, ok
1652 2014-06-11 19:18:04 <wumpus> yes gavin did
1653 2014-06-11 19:19:28 <BlueMatt> sorry, Ive been away on vacation, not much incident response time...give it a month then I'll be working and I can deal with these things pretty quick
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1656 2014-06-11 19:20:55 <cfields> wumpus: did he mention what clogged it up?
1657 2014-06-11 19:21:17 <cfields> looks like the drive with /tmp is pretty small, i'd guess stale gcc/ccache objects maybe?
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1662 2014-06-11 19:22:29 <wumpus> no, no idea
1663 2014-06-11 19:24:02 <cfields> ok
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1665 2014-06-11 19:31:35 <jgarzik> cfields, so.  adding new src/ binary "rawtx"   Just copy the recipe for bitcoin-cli in src/Makefile.am?
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1667 2014-06-11 19:32:00 <jgarzik> cfields, I don't see any need for a libbitcoin_cli.a for example
1668 2014-06-11 19:32:11 <cfields> jgarzik: yep
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1671 2014-06-11 19:32:59 <cfields> jgarzik: yea, libs really need to be created per-single-purpose rather than per-binary, but we need to refactor first for that
1672 2014-06-11 19:33:13 <jgarzik> cfields, ah but there is more.  BUILD_BITCOIN_CLI
1673 2014-06-11 19:33:40 <cfields> jgarzik: so you'll likely lump in 2 or 3 of the current .a's, along with a .cpp for the main()
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1675 2014-06-11 19:34:07 <jgarzik> cfields, Why TF do we make bitcoin-cli build conditional via configure.ac?
1676 2014-06-11 19:34:08 <cfields> jgarzik: that's the conditional for whether it should be built. it's set by configure.ac
1677 2014-06-11 19:34:24 <jgarzik> yes... why?
1678 2014-06-11 19:34:52 <cfields> ./configure --with[out]-cli
1679 2014-06-11 19:35:12 <jgarzik> cfields, yes.... why?
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1681 2014-06-11 19:35:51 <jgarzik> cfields, seems like a useless feature ripe for deletion
1682 2014-06-11 19:35:55 <cfields> jgarzik: common practice? if you just want bitcoind (a distro, for ex, which may want to package bitcoind separately) there's no need to make -cli
1683 2014-06-11 19:36:23 <jgarzik> cfields, common [distro] practice is to build everything, then pick which binaries you want
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1685 2014-06-11 19:36:26 <cfields> jgarzik: i don't much care either way, but it is pretty standard
1686 2014-06-11 19:37:01 <cfields> jgarzik: the other major use-case is that foo-binary would require another dependency
1687 2014-06-11 19:37:23 <cfields> not the case here though, i hope :)
1688 2014-06-11 19:38:35 <cfields> jgarzik: i'd just go ahead and wire it (rawtx) up as always built and don't worry about the conditional stuff. If someone complains we can look into adding it then
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1696 2014-06-11 19:46:31 <jgarzik> return abs(RPC_MISC_ERROR);
1697 2014-06-11 19:46:34 <jgarzik> really?
1698 2014-06-11 19:46:35 <jgarzik> really???
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1701 2014-06-11 19:50:43 <wumpus> the errors returned by bitcoin-cli have always been the absolute values of the errors returned by RPC, including RPC_MISC_ERROR
1702 2014-06-11 19:51:23 <wumpus> anything wrong with that?
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1708 2014-06-11 19:57:25 <PaganROme> Hi all.
1709 2014-06-11 19:58:11 <PaganROme> Was wondering if anyone could help me out with a little issue regarding CallMeJakes block explorer?
1710 2014-06-11 19:59:32 <PaganROme> I have everything setup and synced, but it won't grab the daemon info..
1711 2014-06-11 20:00:32 <PaganROme> Even if I offered a little reward?
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1713 2014-06-11 20:02:15 <PaganROme> no one?
1714 2014-06-11 20:02:27 <michagogo> PaganROme: try being patient
1715 2014-06-11 20:02:53 <PaganROme> Sorry, it's been a long couple days. I can do that.
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1799 2014-06-11 21:21:34 <jgarzik> huzzah!  It took only 107 LOC to write Hello World, Bitcoin Core utility-style
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1824 2014-06-11 21:42:04 <grunz_> Hey guys, I’m trying to setup insight-api with testnet. here is error message that I get:
1825 2014-06-11 21:42:05 <grunz_> Previous Tip block tip height differs by 49869. Please delete and resync (-D)
1826 2014-06-11 21:42:18 <grunz_> Do you know what does it mean? and how do I delete and resync?
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1834 2014-06-11 21:46:25 <grunz_> never mind I wiped out levelDB in ~/.insight/testnet/ and restarted so it syncs agains with bitcoind
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1856 2014-06-11 22:01:21 <michagogo> jgarzik: How'd you turn a oneliner into 107? O_o
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1863 2014-06-11 22:05:33 <jgarzik> michagogo, it's a one-liner that fully initializes the command line using Bitcoin Core argument parsing, environment setup, blah blah
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1868 2014-06-11 22:11:12 <michagogo> jgarzik: what command line?
1869 2014-06-11 22:11:54 <jgarzik> michagogo, command line of a brand new utility
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1873 2014-06-11 22:13:01 <michagogo> jgarzik: ah, so a lot more than HW
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1875 2014-06-11 22:13:49 <jgarzik> michagogo, yes. but you gotta crawl before you can fly :)
1876 2014-06-11 22:14:06 <jgarzik> michagogo, it's mainly a sad statement on how much junk it takes for a new util to get off the ground
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1885 2014-06-11 22:22:00 <jgarzik> JSON: a fucking rathole
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1889 2014-06-11 22:27:02 <michagogo> jgarzik: so use DSON instead :P
1890 2014-06-11 22:27:45 <michagogo> (I wonder if Dogecoin switched to using that for their rpc)
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1892 2014-06-11 22:29:56 <sipa> try JSON-XML for a more scalable enterprise solution
1893 2014-06-11 22:30:52 <kadoban> heh
1894 2014-06-11 22:31:35 <sipa> not kidding by the way: ibm defined a standard for encoding xml in json, called jsonx
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1896 2014-06-11 22:34:51 <sipa> apologies: it encodes json in xml
1897 2014-06-11 22:35:33 <kadoban> That seems like a fairly odd thing to do, but I suppose they must have had some reason...
1898 2014-06-11 22:35:42 <michagogo> sipa: yeah, that makes more sense than the other way around
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1913 2014-06-11 22:45:48 <sipa> what is dson?
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1916 2014-06-11 22:48:19 <berndj-blackout> sipa: dson is s/{/such/g;s/:/is/g;s/}/wow/g performed on json
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1921 2014-06-11 22:51:26 <michagogo> berndj-blackout: a bit more than that
1922 2014-06-11 22:51:37 <michagogo> ;;lucky DSON
1923 2014-06-11 22:51:38 <gribble> http://www.daz3d.com/dson-importer-for-poser
1924 2014-06-11 22:51:46 <michagogo> ;;lucky doge DSON
1925 2014-06-11 22:51:47 <gribble> http://dogeon.org/
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1930 2014-06-11 22:52:40 <michagogo> Example: such "foo" is so "bar" also "baz" and "fizzbuzz" many wow    // {"foo": ["bar", "baz", "fizzbuzz"]}
1931 2014-06-11 22:53:06 <michagogo> Also, all numbers are octal iirc
1932 2014-06-11 22:53:15 <berndj-blackout> reminds me of INTERCAL
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1934 2014-06-11 22:53:40 <sipa> we need a dogeon interpreter in intercal
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1980 2014-06-11 23:39:24 <jacob___> what is your C dev IDE of choice in linux?
1981 2014-06-11 23:40:43 <jacob___> anyone?
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1984 2014-06-11 23:41:50 <sipa> mcedit is mine
1985 2014-06-11 23:42:04 <Luke-Jr> jacob___: Kate
1986 2014-06-11 23:42:27 <sipa> i used eclipse-cdt at some point, which worked pretty well actually
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1990 2014-06-11 23:46:20 <lechuga_> are there any automated tests out there for things like reorg?
1991 2014-06-11 23:46:32 <lechuga_> didn't notice any in bitcoin/bitcoin (which isn't to say they aren't there)
1992 2014-06-11 23:46:32 <Luke-Jr> yes
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1994 2014-06-11 23:46:37 <jacob___> i am working on ubuntu, does Kate install there?
1995 2014-06-11 23:46:41 <Luke-Jr> the pulltester has some
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1997 2014-06-11 23:46:47 <Luke-Jr> jacob___: don't see why not
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1999 2014-06-11 23:47:13 <Luke-Jr> jacob___: apt-get install kate
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2003 2014-06-11 23:48:40 <andytoshi> kate++ (though these days i just use vim since i'm remoted in much of the time)
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2005 2014-06-11 23:48:59 <lechuga_> ah found them
2006 2014-06-11 23:49:02 <lechuga_> luke-jr: thx!
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