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  18 2014-06-17 00:19:15 <Emcy> nice, thats actually non-trivial
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  22 2014-06-17 00:24:20 <belcher> probably because someone made a web form for donating
  23 2014-06-17 00:24:42 <belcher> afaik before you had to run a line from a linux terminal
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  54 2014-06-17 00:52:00 <malikteen230> Hello.
  55 2014-06-17 00:52:09 <malikteen230> Any Bitcoin Developers here?
  56 2014-06-17 00:53:13 <malikteen230> I would like to start developing my own altcoin, but first I need to understand BTC source code. How is the best way to start? Someone requested me to learn Python. But is this really needed? I had coding experience before.
  57 2014-06-17 00:54:55 <gwillen> malikteen230: This channel is for discussion of the bitcoin software; it is specifically not for altcoins. I am told there is a ##altcoin-dev that might be able to help you.
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  60 2014-06-17 00:55:21 <malikteen230> I want to learn the Bitcoin Source Code.
  61 2014-06-17 00:55:33 <gwillen> malikteen230: as for understanding the bitcoin source, it's written in C++, so learning Python will not help you.
  62 2014-06-17 00:55:50 <malikteen230> C++, I see.
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  65 2014-06-17 00:56:09 <malikteen230> What can I get to get started to read the code and edit it while understanding it?
  66 2014-06-17 00:56:32 <gwillen> malikteen230: the code is at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin .
  67 2014-06-17 00:56:48 <malikteen230> What tutorials should I look at to learn?
  68 2014-06-17 00:56:57 <malikteen230> Is there any YouTube tutorials for C++?
  69 2014-06-17 00:57:18 <gwillen> malikteen230: if you don't know C++, this is not an appropriate channel for you.
  70 2014-06-17 00:57:24 <malikteen230> Alright.
  71 2014-06-17 00:57:32 <malikteen230> #altcoin-dev
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  73 2014-06-17 00:58:13 <gwillen> he's going to be back when he realizes he misspelled it, and I don't want to deal with it.
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 370 2014-06-17 07:39:03 <michagogo> andytoshi: nah
 371 2014-06-17 07:39:08 <michagogo> use wireshark et al
 372 2014-06-17 07:39:42 <michagogo> Though I've thought that it might be nice to have an easy(ish)-to-use Bitcoin network protocol client
 373 2014-06-17 07:40:00 <michagogo> Allowing easy connection to nodes, sending of data/messages, getting responses, etc
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 380 2014-06-17 07:47:47 <dsnrk> michagogo: pynode sort of fits the bill in a way.
 381 2014-06-17 07:47:59 <dsnrk> the basics are there at any rate.
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 580 2014-06-17 11:37:15 <elichai2> "Starting around 2013 time-locked transactions were made non standard and no longer enter the memory pool"
 581 2014-06-17 11:37:18 <elichai2> why?
 582 2014-06-17 11:37:32 <elichai2> don't you starting to getred off all the standards?
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 585 2014-06-17 11:40:28 <elichai2> btw, there is any real transactions expert here?
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 591 2014-06-17 11:49:59 <wumpus> elichai2: they are nonstandard *as long* as they are timelocked; you can still make a time locked transaction, but you can only submit it to the network when it is valid
 592 2014-06-17 11:50:54 <wumpus> which is the point of time locked transactions; it makes no sense to keep them in the mempool if they can't be mined
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 632 2014-06-17 12:44:25 <SomeoneWeird> did gavin say anything about his mismatching osx?
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 640 2014-06-17 12:51:59 <elichai2> can i remotely use the RPC not from localhost?
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 643 2014-06-17 12:53:48 <wumpus> elichai2: yes, use -rpcallow=ip
 644 2014-06-17 12:54:50 <elichai2> in the bitcoin.conf?
 645 2014-06-17 12:55:16 <dsnrk> elichai2: allowing RPC outside of localhost is super not recommended.
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 647 2014-06-17 12:55:30 <elichai2> dsnrk: i need it
 648 2014-06-17 12:55:51 <Apocalyptic> especially when running bitcoind as root
 649 2014-06-17 12:55:51 <elichai2> wumpus: rpcallow or rpcallowip?
 650 2014-06-17 12:55:59 <dsnrk> if you need it, you're doing something wrong.
 651 2014-06-17 12:56:01 <wumpus> rpcallowip
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 653 2014-06-17 12:56:02 <Apocalyptic> ^
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 655 2014-06-17 12:56:07 <elichai2> thx
 656 2014-06-17 12:56:27 <dsnrk> tunnel it with SSH or something, don't go exposing your RPC (ass) to the world.
 657 2014-06-17 12:56:34 <mr_burdell> don't run bitcoind as root
 658 2014-06-17 12:56:37 <elichai2> dsnrk: no i don't i have weak laptop so i put the deamon in remote server and i send commands via my own
 659 2014-06-17 12:56:41 <mr_burdell> and use a firewall
 660 2014-06-17 12:56:51 <wumpus> exposing RPC is fine if you run in disablewallet mode
 661 2014-06-17 12:56:52 <elichai2> it's just testnet
 662 2014-06-17 12:56:54 <elichai2> for testing
 663 2014-06-17 12:56:58 <dsnrk> elichai2: SSH/VPN. not running it as root, not exposing RPC.
 664 2014-06-17 12:56:59 <wumpus> but never run bitcoind as root
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 666 2014-06-17 12:57:03 <Apocalyptic> <mr_burdell> don't run bitcoind as root << trying to explain that to him for half an hour now
 667 2014-06-17 12:57:17 <Apocalyptic> he's utterly clueless and convinced he needs it
 668 2014-06-17 12:57:28 <elichai2> Apocalyptic: as i said the owner of the server said that
 669 2014-06-17 12:57:35 <Apocalyptic> he's wrong
 670 2014-06-17 12:57:36 <elichai2> and i have nothing important in the wallet
 671 2014-06-17 12:57:41 <Apocalyptic> and it's dangerous
 672 2014-06-17 12:57:45 <Apocalyptic> irrelevant to your wallet
 673 2014-06-17 12:57:46 <mr_burdell> in that case, he might as well run a telnet server too
 674 2014-06-17 12:57:51 <elichai2> but i don't care, i won't do it in my server
 675 2014-06-17 12:58:01 <elichai2> mr_burdell: he runs a ssh server
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 678 2014-06-17 12:58:26 <mr_burdell> if you have access to root, you have access to run something as not root
 679 2014-06-17 12:59:21 <SomeoneWeird> elichai2: wait you've started in here too?
 680 2014-06-17 12:59:29 * SomeoneWeird facepalms
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 682 2014-06-17 13:01:18 <elichai2> SomeoneWeird: what?
 683 2014-06-17 13:01:24 <elichai2> mr_burdell: i know... it's ok...
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 685 2014-06-17 13:01:48 <elichai2> wumpus: i need to add more argues? maybe a port?
 686 2014-06-17 13:02:13 <SomeoneWeird> your little facade of knowing what you're on about, unfortunately
 687 2014-06-17 13:03:08 <mr_burdell> i blame ubuntu... they get rid of normal root user and everyone thinks sudo is necessary for every command
 688 2014-06-17 13:04:18 <Apocalyptic> mr_burdell, no, this is deeper
 689 2014-06-17 13:04:29 <Apocalyptic> <elichai2> Apocalyptic: it's need root so it could listen to ports
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 708 2014-06-17 13:27:56 <dabura667> I'm sorry for being a noob at ECC... but I can't wrap my head around why hardened keys are not affected by the child privkey + parent xpubkey = parent xprivkey vulnerability...
 709 2014-06-17 13:28:42 <dabura667> If someone could explain the math to me and how hardened keys don't fall victim to it, I'd appreciate it. Thanks
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 731 2014-06-17 13:54:09 <t7> perm ban :S
 732 2014-06-17 13:55:04 <michagogo> Do we have a ban management bot in here?
 733 2014-06-17 13:55:13 <michagogo> Eir, piqure, etc?
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 736 2014-06-17 13:57:47 <hearn> not that i'm aware of
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 738 2014-06-17 14:00:52 <SomeoneWeird> not perm, i'm going to unban him.. tomorrow
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 743 2014-06-17 14:05:54 <t7> SomeoneWeird: what if you forget?
 744 2014-06-17 14:06:06 <SomeoneWeird> then i'm sure i'll have lots of PMs from the guy
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 768 2014-06-17 14:37:00 <wumpus> so closesocket is a #ifdef for myclosesocket(x) which is a function defined in compat.h which does all kinds of extra checks and sets x to INVALID_SOCKET
 769 2014-06-17 14:37:07 <wumpus> ... it never ceases to surprise me :/
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 771 2014-06-17 14:38:01 <wumpus> that's almost as much of a WTF as the redefine of printf that we had...
 772 2014-06-17 14:38:38 <hearn> windows compatibility?
 773 2014-06-17 14:39:44 <wumpus> if you define a compatibility wrapper, please make it just do what the function does on the os you're trying to emulate
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 775 2014-06-17 14:41:46 <hearn> hehe in fairness, that's probably code trying to make unix emulate windows, given where bitcoin came from :)
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 777 2014-06-17 14:44:00 <wumpus> indeed, it is, and I'm fine with using the windows name of the function, but on top of that it adds extra behavior on top that isn't in the windows variant of the function either ... so *no one* knows what to expect when to read the code, not windows people, not unix people
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 781 2014-06-17 14:45:49 <hearn> that's the satoshi we all know and love :)
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 786 2014-06-17 14:47:52 <dabura667> hearn: to be honest, I started programming last year because someone told me "Satoshi wasn't a good programmer and he made Bitcoin" and it kind of made me take the dive into python, java, and C.
 787 2014-06-17 14:48:38 <dabura667> kinda like "I can do it too!" attitude akin to Primary School
 788 2014-06-17 14:48:55 <michagogo> wumpus: has Gavin commented on his dmg mismatch?
 789 2014-06-17 14:49:08 <michagogo> Or compared his to ours?
 790 2014-06-17 14:49:23 <michagogo> (Is that what's holding back the .2 release?)
 791 2014-06-17 14:49:45 <wumpus> michagogo: well it is because of his alternative build environment, I don't think anyone knows what is different exactly
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 793 2014-06-17 14:50:12 <wumpus> michagogo: eh, holding back what? I sent out announcements on the mailing list, forums and bitcoin foundation blog today
 794 2014-06-17 14:50:26 <michagogo> wumpus: ah, didn't know that
 795 2014-06-17 14:50:38 <michagogo> Probably because I get the ML in digest form
 796 2014-06-17 14:50:52 <michagogo> I assume we're using our dmg, right?
 797 2014-06-17 14:51:03 <wumpus> we're using gavin's, like always
 798 2014-06-17 14:51:22 <michagogo> Uh, that seems weird to me...
 799 2014-06-17 14:52:05 <michagogo> Using the version that he came up with that somehow differs from the version everyone else did? o_O
 800 2014-06-17 14:52:25 <michagogo> s/did/got/
 801 2014-06-17 14:53:02 <michagogo> I'm sure it's fine, but I can imagine the conspiracy theory threads already
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 803 2014-06-17 14:53:54 <michagogo> "6 people all did builds that didn't match the released version! Gavin got an NSL!"
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 806 2014-06-17 14:54:20 <michagogo> (Also: wow, we got a lot of builders this time around)
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 808 2014-06-17 14:55:16 <wumpus> nah, the signed dmg isn't deterministic anyway
 809 2014-06-17 14:56:01 <michagogo> ...Also, how come we don't gsign the contents of the dmg like we do with the windows setup?
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 813 2014-06-17 14:56:32 <wumpus> I agree it would have been better to take the majority version, then again, it's alerady better than our old release process in which gavin was the only one to build macosx at all
 814 2014-06-17 14:56:45 <michagogo> It would seem to me that it's kinda pointless to gbuild for osx if the only output is the dmg
 815 2014-06-17 14:56:56 <michagogo> Which is then modified by the signing
 816 2014-06-17 14:57:20 <wumpus> MAN, it's the first step
 817 2014-06-17 14:57:31 <wumpus> do you have an idea how much work it was to get even this far?
 818 2014-06-17 14:58:08 <michagogo> With Windows, sure, the setup is changed, but the bins inside are still the same...
 819 2014-06-17 14:58:20 <michagogo> wumpus: yes, I do. I don't mean to suggest otherwise.
 820 2014-06-17 14:58:25 <wumpus> if you can do better, then do better
 821 2014-06-17 14:58:42 <wumpus> for 0.10 we'll probably have code signing (at least -- attaching the signature) as a gitian step
 822 2014-06-17 14:58:56 <wumpus> but that's a lot of work an maybe even reverse engineering how macosx does things
 823 2014-06-17 15:00:23 <wumpus> all those proprietary systems with limited tooling make it really difficult to do deterministic build properly
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 833 2014-06-17 15:09:08 <michagogo> Sorry for the abrupt dropping out of the conversation -- got a phone call and I'm IRCing from my phone
 834 2014-06-17 15:10:27 <michagogo> Does the OS X build build first and then pack into the dmg, as I would guess?
 835 2014-06-17 15:12:08 <michagogo> It would have been nice if we could have made the osx gbuild also output the binaries and not just the installer, like we do for win :-/
 836 2014-06-17 15:14:15 <wumpus> you can always extract the dmg if you want the stuff inside it
 837 2014-06-17 15:14:32 <michagogo> I just don't know if I see the value of getting the osx gbuild into the release process for 0.9.2 if the output is unverifiable
 838 2014-06-17 15:14:54 <wumpus> for windows we output a .zip as well as a .exe because on windows people can unzip the .zip themselves and put it somewhere and execute the exe
 839 2014-06-17 15:14:58 <wumpus> for macosx that makes no sense
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 843 2014-06-17 15:16:53 <michagogo> Is the point of gitian not to allow verified, reproducible builds, and to allow users to check that a bunch of signers all got the same result, and that the result matches what's being distributed to them?
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 845 2014-06-17 15:17:30 <michagogo> We have that for Linux, and because only the setup.exe is signed (right?) we also have it for Windows
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 847 2014-06-17 15:18:02 <wumpus> please read a few lines back -- I know the macosx gitian build is not ideal yet, it will be fixed for 0.10 if anyone cares enough
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 849 2014-06-17 15:18:16 <wumpus> I see no point in discussing this further
 850 2014-06-17 15:18:20 <michagogo> wumpus: I know you know it's not ideal
 851 2014-06-17 15:18:49 <michagogo> I'm just trying to understand why there was a push to gbuild 0.9.2 osx
 852 2014-06-17 15:19:05 <wumpus> to test the produced executable
 853 2014-06-17 15:19:15 <wumpus> again, as a first step
 854 2014-06-17 15:19:38 <michagogo> Oh, right. I... dont know how I missed that. Sorry...
 855 2014-06-17 15:19:44 * michagogo hides in shame
 856 2014-06-17 15:19:49 <wumpus> if we can do a release using a gitian-build macosx executable, things can be improved later
 857 2014-06-17 15:20:18 <wumpus> if it doesn't work we need to go back to 'some developer builds it on his crappy macbook'
 858 2014-06-17 15:20:45 <wumpus> it's not everything or nothing...
 859 2014-06-17 15:20:58 <michagogo> (Though if it's Gavin's unclean gbuild executable, doesn't that partially mean that the testing may not be complete? Maybe one of his extra packages allows it to work or something)
 860 2014-06-17 15:21:31 <wumpus> I suppose at least one other person has tested his gitian-built dmg right? right?
 861 2014-06-17 15:21:40 <wumpus> or should I lose hope completely
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 863 2014-06-17 15:22:12 <michagogo> For the OS X build specifically, I wonder if he would be willing to consider using a clean VM, since there's not much in the way of packages used IIRC
 864 2014-06-17 15:22:23 <michagogo> wumpus: well, I hope so, but I don't actually know
 865 2014-06-17 15:22:49 <michagogo> I know I haven't, because I don't have access to a Mac I can use for testing
 866 2014-06-17 15:23:13 <wumpus> he should just use a clean vm, period, it's giving us all kinds of extra headaches
 867 2014-06-17 15:23:18 <michagogo> (I got the SDK by borrowing my father's work MBP)
 868 2014-06-17 15:23:29 <michagogo> wumpus: yes, I do completely agree with you there
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 870 2014-06-17 15:24:13 <wumpus> would be the third or so obscure issue due to using a non-clean vm, the whole point of gitian is to provide a predictable well-defined environment
 871 2014-06-17 15:24:24 <michagogo> Right.
 872 2014-06-17 15:24:51 <michagogo> What was his reason again? That he uses an OS X host and there's no OS X apt-cacher?
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 878 2014-06-17 15:33:53 <wumpus> I think so
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 887 2014-06-17 15:43:01 <michagogo> Hm, can you tell apt-get to fetch but not install packages?
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 889 2014-06-17 15:43:09 <michagogo> That may be a reasonable compromise
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 891 2014-06-17 15:43:56 <michagogo> Take a clean VM, prefetch all the debs, but then take the snapshot before installing the packages
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 898 2014-06-17 15:45:51 <wumpus> that would be another option, though he has already said he is going to use the new process for building in a virtualbox vm (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/gitian-building.md), but just hasn't got around to it
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 971 2014-06-17 16:48:27 <ubuntuDoubts> Hi all
 972 2014-06-17 16:48:53 <ubuntuDoubts> I'm getting some errors atm compiling at ubuntu, does someone can help me?
 973 2014-06-17 16:49:07 <ubuntuDoubts> c$ make -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP=- make: makefile.unix: No such file or directory make: *** No rule to make target `makefile.unix'
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 975 2014-06-17 16:49:30 <sipa> we're not using makefile.unix anymore; follow the current instructions
 976 2014-06-17 16:50:06 <asd_> how to start dev websites that using bitcoin ?
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 978 2014-06-17 16:53:59 <ubuntuDoubts> Ok sipa so can you get me an updated guide then ?
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 980 2014-06-17 16:55:08 <ubuntuDoubts> I was guiding from anoncoin compilation guide.
 981 2014-06-17 16:55:15 <ubuntuDoubts> What I should use now ?
 982 2014-06-17 16:55:26 <ubuntuDoubts> since makefile.unix doesnt exist anymore..
 983 2014-06-17 16:55:34 <ubuntuDoubts> atleast on bitcoin code there's not.
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 989 2014-06-17 16:56:39 <sipa> it's in docs/build-unix.md
 990 2014-06-17 16:56:55 <sipa> and this channel is about bitcoin; if you need help with anoncoin, ask them.
 991 2014-06-17 16:57:11 <ubuntuDoubts> Im not.
 992 2014-06-17 16:57:19 <ubuntuDoubts> Im not , i m on bitcoin code.
 993 2014-06-17 16:57:34 <ubuntuDoubts> But i only could compile with the anoncoin one..
 994 2014-06-17 16:57:36 <ubuntuDoubts> im just testing
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 996 2014-06-17 16:57:41 <ubuntuDoubts> Atm im using bitcoin code.
 997 2014-06-17 16:57:54 <sipa> so follow the bitcoin instructiins...
 998 2014-06-17 16:58:22 <ubuntuDoubts> here is: https://anoncoin.net/index.php/guides2
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1000 2014-06-17 16:58:41 <ubuntuDoubts> But im trying make it with the files in my c:/ and not by cloning from github like they ask..
1001 2014-06-17 16:59:09 <ubuntuDoubts> But i couldnt get anything updated.
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1005 2014-06-17 17:00:56 <ubuntuDoubts> build-unix.md:1: *** missing separator.  Stop.
1006 2014-06-17 17:01:00 <ubuntuDoubts> now this is the error.
1007 2014-06-17 17:01:14 <ubuntuDoubts> im doing with bitcoin code.
1008 2014-06-17 17:01:24 <ubuntuDoubts> and im on bitcoin/doc/
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1010 2014-06-17 17:01:37 <sipa> i just told you we don't use makefile.unix
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1012 2014-06-17 17:01:43 <sipa> none of ours docs refer to it
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1015 2014-06-17 17:02:13 <ubuntuDoubts> its not makefile
1016 2014-06-17 17:02:28 <ubuntuDoubts> i used build-unix.md
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1018 2014-06-17 17:02:48 <ubuntuDoubts> may I pvt  ?
1019 2014-06-17 17:02:49 <sipa> it's document
1020 2014-06-17 17:02:49 <sipa> read it
1021 2014-06-17 17:02:53 <sipa> no
1022 2014-06-17 17:03:28 <sipa> doc/build-unix.md is not a makefile; we're not using makefiles anymore
1023 2014-06-17 17:03:39 <sipa> it is a text document that describes the build procedure
1024 2014-06-17 17:03:40 <sipa> read it
1025 2014-06-17 17:03:44 <ubuntuDoubts> Ah
1026 2014-06-17 17:03:50 <ubuntuDoubts> sorry my dumbness :/
1027 2014-06-17 17:03:59 <sipa> also, #bitcoin please
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1029 2014-06-17 17:04:06 <sipa> thisnchannel is for development, not support
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1032 2014-06-17 17:05:08 <ubuntuDoubts> ok
1033 2014-06-17 17:05:28 <ubuntuDoubts> sipa last doubt.. before using ./autogen.sh i will need to be on cd /bitcoin/ ?
1034 2014-06-17 17:05:36 <ubuntuDoubts> Or i will be on root ?
1035 2014-06-17 17:05:44 <ubuntuDoubts> Sorry for this im just trying to learn a bit more.
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1037 2014-06-17 17:06:11 <sipa> i suggest you first learn the OS you're using before trying to do more advanced things like building code
1038 2014-06-17 17:06:49 <sipa> people won't hold your hand for every step along the way, and it will take time if you want to learn
1039 2014-06-17 17:07:00 <sipa> try for yourself and research
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1087 2014-06-17 17:57:24 <ubuntuDoubts> why autogen.sh permissioin denied
1088 2014-06-17 17:57:33 <ubuntuDoubts> What i have to change ?
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1090 2014-06-17 17:59:43 <sturles> Try: sh autogen.sh
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1094 2014-06-17 18:01:25 <pilu> chmod +x autogen.sh
1095 2014-06-17 18:01:37 <ubuntuDoubts> and must be ./autogen.sh ?
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1099 2014-06-17 18:04:17 <phantomcircuit> ubuntuDoubts, ./autogen.sh;./configure;make clean;make
1100 2014-06-17 18:04:18 <phantomcircuit> enjoy
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1128 2014-06-17 18:37:59 <mpescador> is there anybody here who has experience with using python ecdsa for verifying transactions? I am trying to verify transaction 1 in block 170, using the same hash, public key and signature as on the wiki page for op_checksig, but keep getting BadSignatureError
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1144 2014-06-17 18:56:57 <ronkrt> Hello, what lang is Bitcoin developed in?
1145 2014-06-17 18:57:05 <kazcw> mpescador: are you converting it from bitcoin's format to the right format for your crypto library? you'll probably want to use an existing python bitcoin library or look at how it does it. pybitcointools would be one example.
1146 2014-06-17 18:57:42 <Hasimir> ronkrt, primarily C++
1147 2014-06-17 18:58:11 <ronkrt> Thanks Hasimir ;P
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1151 2014-06-17 19:06:19 <mpescador> kazcw: I think I am, I looked at how ceasure does it, and I think I'm doing the same, but I can't run seizure because I'm on a Windows box. I also looked at pybitcointools, but it doesn't use the same crypto library, and it seems that it doesn't have code for veryifying transactions
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1165 2014-06-17 19:17:38 <michagogo> ronkrt: depends on what exactly you mean
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1167 2014-06-17 19:17:50 <michagogo> Bitcoin Core, the reference software, is C++
1168 2014-06-17 19:18:00 <michagogo> Bitcoin the system consists of a lot of different software
1169 2014-06-17 19:18:15 <michagogo> For example, there's a *lot* out there using bitcoinj, which is Java
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1172 2014-06-17 19:18:38 <michagogo> A lot of other software, for example some pool software, is Python
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1177 2014-06-17 19:25:04 <CoinFinder> Would a btctalk link regarding [yet-another] idea about pool decentralisation solutions be ok to post here?
1178 2014-06-17 19:26:33 <andytoshi> pls no, try in in #bitcoin. there are many many of those and i haven't seen one yet that made sense
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1181 2014-06-17 19:27:45 <CoinFinder> :)
1182 2014-06-17 19:28:05 <CoinFinder> well if my has an issue, i would like to hear your feedback
1183 2014-06-17 19:28:07 <CoinFinder> mine*
1184 2014-06-17 19:28:15 <CoinFinder> but ok
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1261 2014-06-17 20:47:39 <arubi> Q: Can there be more than one coinbase transaction in a block? Is a block containing two 12.5 btc coinbase transactions valid?
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1264 2014-06-17 20:51:53 <CoinFinder> arubi: only one coinbase. But you can have multiple payout addresses.
1265 2014-06-17 20:52:10 <CoinFinder> So say two bitcoin addresses with 12.5btc each.
1266 2014-06-17 20:52:25 <CoinFinder> For an example, look at any blocks mined by p2pool
1267 2014-06-17 20:52:26 <arubi> I see. Thanks.
1268 2014-06-17 20:52:58 <arubi> yea, I remember seeing coinbase being split by pools, but I wasn't sure if it's actually more than one transaction
1269 2014-06-17 20:54:50 <CoinFinder> They have to add up to no more than the coinbase+fees if i recall. They can be less, but well, that would be silly
1270 2014-06-17 20:55:07 <arubi> that's correct
1271 2014-06-17 20:55:41 <arubi> no more than currently allowed block reward + fees, right.
1272 2014-06-17 20:55:51 <CoinFinder> yea
1273 2014-06-17 20:56:08 <CoinFinder> which you can get back from getblocktemplate i believe if u are not sure.
1274 2014-06-17 20:57:25 <arubi> interesting. I'm reading up on getblocktemplate right now.
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1287 2014-06-17 21:13:35 <lechuga_> whoa
1288 2014-06-17 21:13:50 <lechuga_> +1 for the gutsy proposal from gavinandresen
1289 2014-06-17 21:14:53 <CoinFinder> ?
1290 2014-06-17 21:15:04 <lechuga_> http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/32473035/
1291 2014-06-17 21:15:15 <lechuga_> game-on for all op codes in p2sh scripts
1292 2014-06-17 21:15:26 <lechuga_> (pending consensus)
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1294 2014-06-17 21:17:30 <CoinFinder> Interesting
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1302 2014-06-17 21:31:38 <skinnkavaj> Nvm
1303 2014-06-17 21:31:39 <skinnkavaj> Thanks
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1318 2014-06-17 21:45:25 <ninjashogun> hi, is anyone looking for a bitcoin-economist?
1319 2014-06-17 21:45:34 <ninjashogun> (for hire)
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1322 2014-06-17 21:47:02 <gwillen> ninjashogun: this is a channel for discussing the development of the bitcoin client software. You want #bitcoin for general chatter, or #bitcoin-otc if you want to offer your services in exchange for bitcoins.
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1324 2014-06-17 21:47:30 <ninjashogun> gwillen, thanks
1325 2014-06-17 21:47:35 <gwillen> no problem
1326 2014-06-17 21:47:46 <ninjashogun> pm me any tips on offeirng services, haven't done it via irc before.  (just researcher/economist services)
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