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131 2014-06-22 04:07:13 <lnovy> Hi guy, I just dropped here to tell you, how much I love you all for BIP-0042. The future looks much brighter now.
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134 2014-06-22 04:11:36 <pigeons> i don't know if i should mention this here or in #bitcoin. i build the latest from git every few days, and something in the past several days has caused the qt version to not do anything when i click send, receive, or transactions. it just stays on the "overview" screen. I usually use qt4 so I tried with qt5 and the same thing happens. yeah i know not real helpful info sorry
135 2014-06-22 04:13:41 <pigeons> i might try to backtrack and build one commit back until i can tell you which commit, but i dont have time at the moment so i thought id just mention it
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137 2014-06-22 04:15:30 <lnovy> git-bisect(1) is your friend :)
138 2014-06-22 04:15:47 <pigeons> thanks
139 2014-06-22 04:17:24 <lnovy> if you could replicate this even without gui, it would be an easy testcase to write. I don't know much about qt testing, bud I guess manual approach would be faster here.
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151 2014-06-22 05:07:05 <michagogo> 13:31:13 <wumpus> also we have to be really careful with distributions, as it is a security and consensus-critical library we can't have jokes like the bitcoind 0.3.xx in Ubuntu stable... <-- Hopefully that particular annoyance will go away soon... See bug 1314616 on Launchpad. Just waiting for someone to sponsor it.
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153 2014-06-22 05:09:34 <michagogo> 22:53:35 <dsnrk> I'll probably just move to a decent ISP, but I don't feel like sitting in the 2 hour call queue to cancel. <--- Heh, you need to do that? Here, you can just inform them in writing (mail or fax) and it's legally binding. There's even a site, netek.co.il I think it was, whose purpose is to do that for you -- you choose your provider, fill in
154 2014-06-22 05:09:35 <michagogo> your info, it uses the template for that company and sends the fax for you.
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162 2014-06-22 05:27:16 <dsnrk> michagogo: not sure I could do that, would take me longer to read the contract and to find out instead of just listening to terrible music through VOIP compression for a bit
163 2014-06-22 05:28:29 <michagogo> dsnrk: was "two hours" exaggerated?
164 2014-06-22 05:29:03 <dsnrk> little bit. took 1.30 to resolve a billing issue.
165 2014-06-22 05:29:28 <michagogo> If not, don't bother reading the contract unless it has headers or a ToC -- just Google for the relevant information
166 2014-06-22 05:31:01 <dsnrk> some time when I don't have miners to tend to, last thing I want to do is leave them high and dry.
167 2014-06-22 05:31:23 <ronkrt> Question, i have the output of a scrypt hash, (imagin mining) can i encode the output to x11 while maintaining the orginial scrypt info?
168 2014-06-22 05:31:53 <dsnrk> ronkrt: altcoin PoW is desperately off topic here.
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170 2014-06-22 05:32:33 <ronkrt> im just trying to figure out if its possible to make a new crypto that uses scrypt, x11 and sha-256 in 'a special order' to require multiple types of crypto mining
171 2014-06-22 05:32:54 <ronkrt> for example, sha-256 decodes a hash that relays to a x11, that decodes hash and relays to scrypt then that confirms a 'transfer'
172 2014-06-22 05:33:14 <ronkrt> 3 type's of algo, for 1 crypto
173 2014-06-22 05:33:23 <dsnrk> not the place to be asking that in the slightest.
174 2014-06-22 05:33:35 <ronkrt> can you recommend where i would then please?
175 2014-06-22 05:33:45 <dsnrk> I don't know of any.
176 2014-06-22 05:33:58 <ronkrt> ok, do you think bitcointalk might beable to answer or even entertain the idea?
177 2014-06-22 05:35:01 <dsnrk> couldn't tell you.
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185 2014-06-22 06:03:42 <michagogo> dsnrk: I'd imagine that's exactly what you'd want to do...
186 2014-06-22 06:03:56 <michagogo> (Keep your miners dry)
187 2014-06-22 06:04:52 <michagogo> (Unless they're liquid cooled?)
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359 2014-06-22 12:07:27 <GAit> how are people thinking bip70 will work with non merchant users? user a to user b. As a Joe user do I need to get my own server, my own domain, my own ssl cert, etc ? Or is the alternative to use some third party that shows their own CN like coinbase.com or greenaddress.it ?
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371 2014-06-22 12:38:59 <dsnrk> michagogo: I meant dry as in alcohol (internet) :P
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374 2014-06-22 12:52:25 <michagogo> dsnrk: dry as in alcohol?
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376 2014-06-22 12:53:33 <dsnrk> michagogo: implying my miners are alcoholics because they need to always have their fix (internet), by churning ISPS id deprive them for a while and they'd be much less productive.
377 2014-06-22 12:53:41 <michagogo> GAit: well, there are other certificates besides website ones
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379 2014-06-22 12:54:05 <GAit> michagogo: which are we expecting Joe avg to use?
380 2014-06-22 12:54:24 <michagogo> There are sites that will give you free certs with your email address on them
381 2014-06-22 12:54:30 <GAit> i am sure users that want to be authed will, the question is what is likely to happen
382 2014-06-22 12:54:54 <GAit> free certs, now you need somewhere to host it?
383 2014-06-22 12:55:02 <michagogo> GAit: see Gavin's payment request generator
384 2014-06-22 12:55:13 <dsnrk> well no, it would just be a signed blob- doesn't need to be hosted.
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388 2014-06-22 12:55:28 <michagogo> It will sign requests with gavinandresen@gmail.com if asked to
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390 2014-06-22 12:55:55 <michagogo> GAit: if you want a URL, then yes, you need a host
391 2014-06-22 12:56:16 <wumpus> GAit: IIRC there are already wallets that implement user-to-user payment requests, no need to host them ,they can also be sent over other channels
392 2014-06-22 12:56:17 <GAit> i am just wondering what is going to be the most likely accepted solution from the majority of users
393 2014-06-22 12:56:26 <michagogo> That host doesn't necessarily need your privkey
394 2014-06-22 12:56:36 <wumpus> for example bluetooth
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396 2014-06-22 12:57:16 <michagogo> You can sign a bunch of requests and give them to the server to hand out
397 2014-06-22 12:57:27 <michagogo> And yeah, there are also other channels
398 2014-06-22 12:57:49 <GAit> i wonder a bit about DKIM
399 2014-06-22 12:58:18 <michagogo> dsnrk: ah. I guess elsewhere changing ISPs might be more complicated than it is here in Israel
400 2014-06-22 12:58:38 <michagogo> Internet service here is actually split into two components
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402 2014-06-22 12:59:20 <michagogo> You have the infrastructure provider, which runs wires or cables to you
403 2014-06-22 13:00:04 <michagogo> I think that's pretty much a duopoly -- you have Bezeq, the phone company, and Hot, the cable company
404 2014-06-22 13:00:19 <michagogo> They also give you the modem
405 2014-06-22 13:00:36 <michagogo> Then you have the ISP, of which there are many more
406 2014-06-22 13:00:47 <dsnrk> yeah, same with mine only they are stuck in the 90s and take weeks to do anything. you get disconnected, they do the "connection" for a few hundred dollars, then you sit around for a week with no internet.
407 2014-06-22 13:01:14 <michagogo> Switching ISPs is easy to do here
408 2014-06-22 13:01:32 <sipa> seems a bit offtopic
409 2014-06-22 13:01:42 <michagogo> Your account with the ISP has a username and password, and those username and password go into the modem's configuration
410 2014-06-22 13:02:02 <michagogo> Switching is just a matter of signing up with the new one, changing credentials, and rebooting
411 2014-06-22 13:02:14 <michagogo> Almost no downtime
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445 2014-06-22 13:46:14 <t7> so i was in the pub garden earlier today and some people on the next table were talking about their new bitcoin business...
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447 2014-06-22 13:46:30 <t7> neither of which had much technical knowledge
448 2014-06-22 13:46:49 <t7> bitcoin is definitely mainstream
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450 2014-06-22 13:47:56 <t7> i was gonna ask until they started talking about building the site and neither was very IT literate
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462 2014-06-22 14:01:29 <Michail1> t7 - Funny you should say that.  I was in a Well Fargo on Friday (to do something bitcoin related).  While waiting in line, there was a guy at a desk talking to a banker about his account.  It only became obvious when he said, "Coinbase?  Oh yeah, that's a purchase for bitcoins on the internet."   I so wanted to stay and talk to the guy, but I had to get back to work.
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467 2014-06-22 14:06:39 <sipa> at the amsterdam bitcoin conferenfe we went for dinner with some people to a local thai restaurant
468 2014-06-22 14:06:54 <sipa> the guys sitting next to us were talking about bitcoins and their limited supply
469 2014-06-22 14:07:01 <sipa> but had no idea about the conference :)
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471 2014-06-22 14:10:13 <gwillen> heh!
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473 2014-06-22 14:10:33 <GAit> banks in italy are organizing bitcoin seminars and presentations ... it's mindblowing how it all shifted from just a year ago. BTW, sipa, this conversation is offtopic here! :P
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477 2014-06-22 14:14:43 <sipa> GAit: sorry, agree!
478 2014-06-22 14:16:40 <kiddouk> t7: according to the amount of VC money poured in Bitcoin related business, it attracts more and more people for sure.
479 2014-06-22 14:18:38 <GAit> it appears to me that banks are getting excited about the blockchain more than bitcoin itself. They think they can replicate the tech in a useful way or that something else than bitcoin would take over (the example i was given was netscape i think but i am not sure it was a perfectly fitting example)
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481 2014-06-22 14:19:25 <GAit> i feel bad continuing this conversation here but would love to continue it on #bitcoin
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510 2014-06-22 15:07:43 <dsnrk> if anybody has software they want to test against reorganisations on testnet3, I'll be messing about with the chain in a little bit for my own interest + testing my own code.
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537 2014-06-22 15:58:50 <michagogo> Hm, is this known? autogen.sh returns this: configure.ac:699: warning: 'INCLUDES' is the old name for 'AM_CPPFLAGS' (or '*_CPPFLAGS')
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541 2014-06-22 16:05:50 <sipa> michagogo: i've been seeing that for a while too
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554 2014-06-22 16:31:50 <ahmed_> can someone here recommend how i can calculate my pool's hashrate?
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559 2014-06-22 16:39:02 <embicoin> Hi !!! I am travelling to netherlands early september, is there those days any conference or event related to bitcoin development???
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594 2014-06-22 17:49:11 <wallet42> sipa: u were in AMS?
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603 2014-06-22 18:05:46 <Michail1> Anyone see this error?
604 2014-06-22 18:05:52 <Michail1> checking for boostlib >= 1.20.0... yes
605 2014-06-22 18:05:52 <Michail1> checking whether the Boost::System library is available... yes
606 2014-06-22 18:05:53 <Michail1> configure: error: Could not find a version of the boost_system library!
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609 2014-06-22 18:07:17 <Michail1> installed libboost-all-dev  (which is version 1.55)
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621 2014-06-22 18:19:44 <wumpus> Michail1: you probably need to pass some --with-boost-libdir=...
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623 2014-06-22 18:21:20 <wumpus> see also https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3219
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635 2014-06-22 18:39:47 <Michail1> wumpus - Thank you again.   Before looking, I was able to get 8.6 daemon to build via same process I used for raspberry pi at: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191729.40  (I never upgrade to a newer version since the .unix file has since been removed from the src files)   I read the thread you linked, and found the "--with-boost-libdir=/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf"     configure
636 2014-06-22 18:39:47 <Michail1> completed.   make is running now.
637 2014-06-22 18:41:02 <Michail1> (Note: This is on a cubox-i)
638 2014-06-22 18:41:15 <wumpus> hey, I have that one too :)
639 2014-06-22 18:41:47 <Michail1> :)
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641 2014-06-22 18:42:46 <wumpus> I've been running a node on it for quite some time (master + some patches so 0.9.2 should definitely work)
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643 2014-06-22 18:43:56 <Michail1> I run full node on a few diff Pi's.  nearly a year now.  Figured I would play with cubox and beagle.   cheap enough to drop nodes at diff locations.
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660 2014-06-22 19:08:01 <dsnrk> sipa: your graphs need fixing again, way off the scales.
661 2014-06-22 19:08:46 <michagogo> dsnrk: I think someone already said that
662 2014-06-22 19:09:04 <dsnrk> oh, sorry. did a lastlog and didn't see it.
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664 2014-06-22 19:10:17 <michagogo> Otoh, usually he fixes that quickly and he's been around, so he may have missed it the first time
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666 2014-06-22 19:13:50 <sipa> i did not miss it, but forgot to act upon it :)
667 2014-06-22 19:14:14 <sipa> ;;nethash
668 2014-06-22 19:14:15 <gribble> 131666230.087
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670 2014-06-22 19:14:26 <ubuntuDoubt> Hi all
671 2014-06-22 19:14:30 <ubuntuDoubt> Can i get some help please?
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676 2014-06-22 19:18:18 <sipa> ubuntuDoubt: if it is not a basic programming/unix/c++ or bitcoin question, yes
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679 2014-06-22 19:19:53 <ubuntuDoubt> sipa: lol , well, I would like to know after compiling and look on debug.log and change the genesis hash/merkel hash/ nOnce, and update the chainparams.cpp with that Im able to compile again and run my own network ?
680 2014-06-22 19:20:10 <ubuntuDoubt> sipa: try to be friendly please.. as I said im new to this, and im trying to learn .
681 2014-06-22 19:20:29 <sipa> yes, and i encourage you to learn; but this is not the place for basic questions
682 2014-06-22 19:20:48 <sipa> and certainly not for "how to create my own altcoin without having a clue how bitcoin works"
683 2014-06-22 19:21:09 <pigeons> ##altcoin-dev ;)
684 2014-06-22 19:21:23 <ubuntuDoubt> sipa: you are wrong i know well how bitcoin works (anyway, i dotn wwant run my alt coin or launch it public ) As i said im learning
685 2014-06-22 19:21:55 <ubuntuDoubt> When i finish this i erase this and i will learn new things, Im jsut trying to make sth based on what you guys learned.
686 2014-06-22 19:22:53 <ubuntuDoubt> As I said im trying to learn, nothing else.. Obviously im not able to get or launch my own altcoin, as you can see im noob.
687 2014-06-22 19:23:02 <ubuntuDoubt> So how could I have my own coin ? o.O
688 2014-06-22 19:23:10 <sipa> you shouldn't
689 2014-06-22 19:23:27 <sipa> not if you don't already know how bitcoin works
690 2014-06-22 19:23:31 <ubuntuDoubt> But what i cant understand is why people here doesnt help, and just make fun about dumb question of people that are trying to leanr more, and know more.
691 2014-06-22 19:23:38 <ubuntuDoubt> You should instead of flame, help.
692 2014-06-22 19:23:51 <ubuntuDoubt> I hope never commit flames like yours.
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694 2014-06-22 19:24:02 <altesc> ubuntuDoubt: coingen.io
695 2014-06-22 19:24:21 <ubuntuDoubt> altesc i dotn want to get a coin and pay for it lolol ..
696 2014-06-22 19:24:22 <sipa> i will gladly explain any specific details about the bitcoin protocol, its implementation, philosophy, security or truat models
697 2014-06-22 19:24:25 <ubuntuDoubt> Im tryng learn..
698 2014-06-22 19:24:27 <ubuntuDoubt> Lol
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700 2014-06-22 19:24:42 <sipa> but do ask specific questions
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702 2014-06-22 19:24:49 <ubuntuDoubt> sipa, so wht the fdifference? since im cloning bitcoin code?
703 2014-06-22 19:24:53 <sipa> and don't go "im noob help me"
704 2014-06-22 19:24:55 <ubuntuDoubt> I DID SPECIFIC QUESTION
705 2014-06-22 19:24:59 <ubuntuDoubt> ABOUT THWE GENESIS
706 2014-06-22 19:25:01 <ubuntuDoubt> ...
707 2014-06-22 19:25:11 <sipa> and if you are just here to create your own altcoin, sorry, get lost
708 2014-06-22 19:25:33 <ubuntuDoubt> Im here to understand more about this..
709 2014-06-22 19:25:37 <ubuntuDoubt> NOT TO CREATE my coin
710 2014-06-22 19:25:45 <sipa> but you don't ask "how does this function work"
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712 2014-06-22 19:25:50 <sipa> or "why is this necessary"
713 2014-06-22 19:25:53 <ubuntuDoubt> Im cloning bitcoin jsut to learn how it works, how to compile..
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715 2014-06-22 19:26:05 <sipa> or even "what does PoW gain us"
716 2014-06-22 19:26:16 <sipa> you just ask "what do i change to create my own coin"
717 2014-06-22 19:26:18 <ubuntuDoubt> I can assure that i passed more than 2 months loo into source code
718 2014-06-22 19:26:21 <ubuntuDoubt> and try to understood.
719 2014-06-22 19:26:37 <sipa> sorry, if your purpose is to learn, don't try to create your own coin
720 2014-06-22 19:26:44 <ubuntuDoubt> It is..
721 2014-06-22 19:26:53 <ubuntuDoubt> So what I must do isntead of create a coin ?
722 2014-06-22 19:27:01 <ubuntuDoubt> I thought was the best way to leanr/ undersatnd ?
723 2014-06-22 19:27:02 <ubuntuDoubt> It isn't ?
724 2014-06-22 19:27:11 <sipa> 1) learn c++
725 2014-06-22 19:27:20 <ubuntuDoubt> atleat i learn some c and how to compile on unix
726 2014-06-22 19:27:31 <ubuntuDoubt> As you can see im learning somethings jsut by trying create a coin..
727 2014-06-22 19:27:38 <maaku> ubuntuDoubt: learn by working on bitcoin
728 2014-06-22 19:27:43 <Guest23123> sipa: I'm looking for an online wallet that provides createmultisig, createrawtransaction, sendrawtransaction, and etc. Do you know of one? thx
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731 2014-06-22 19:27:59 <ubuntuDoubt> When you say i willn't leanr anything while create a coin  are you serious ???
732 2014-06-22 19:28:04 <sipa> ubuntuDoubt: even if so, do your homework
733 2014-06-22 19:28:07 <sipa> try yourself
734 2014-06-22 19:28:10 <JackH> this dude is a troll
735 2014-06-22 19:28:18 <sipa> if something fails and you don't kniw why, perhaps ask
736 2014-06-22 19:28:44 <sipa> but not "what do i change to create my coin"; the answer to that question will not teach you anything useful
737 2014-06-22 19:28:59 <sipa> sorry, i'm tired of this
738 2014-06-22 19:29:14 <JackH> i will gladly explain any specific details about the bitcoin protocol, its implementation, philosophy, security or truat models <-- lmao
739 2014-06-22 19:29:24 <JackH> funny convo
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741 2014-06-22 19:30:34 <arubi> what's even funnier, is that there's a full blown tutorial on how to clone the code, and they still come here to ask..
742 2014-06-22 19:31:10 <Guest23123> I'm looking for an online wallet that provides createmultisig, createrawtransaction, sendrawtransaction, and etc. Do you know of one? thx
743 2014-06-22 19:31:32 <Guest23123> with an api
744 2014-06-22 19:36:32 <justanotheruser> Guest23123: webwallets are good at running away with your money
745 2014-06-22 19:37:58 <Guest23123> yes i know. but i need an online wallet that can be accessed by a web aervice (RPC). blockchain.info provides an RPC interface but not the functions mentioned above.
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747 2014-06-22 19:38:44 <pigeons> run a bitcoind? also #bitcoin for this
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750 2014-06-22 19:40:29 <Guest23123> pigeons: it has to be online--accessible from anywhere
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753 2014-06-22 19:41:55 <pigeons> Guest23123: yes let's discuss in #bitcoin, your bitcoind rpc can be made accessible from anywhere even if its not a good idea without more protection
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755 2014-06-22 19:43:12 <Guest23123> yes, i understand that. i don't need a wallet, i need an ONLINE facility to create a multisig and the funding transaction and then broadcast it.
756 2014-06-22 19:44:09 <pigeons> ok #bitcoin
757 2014-06-22 19:44:33 <Guest23123> gmaxwell: i'm looking at the coinjoin bounty... are there written criteria for claiming this prize?
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799 2014-06-22 20:36:16 <Guest23123> disconnected due to a power failure (thunderstorm). is anyone aware of an ONLINE service (not necessarily a wallet) that provides an API for createmultisig, createrawtransaction, and sendrawtransaction?
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801 2014-06-22 20:38:13 <pigeons> bitcoind
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913 2014-06-22 23:29:11 <dekalo> helo, any suggest to encode in base58check a byte[] in java?
914 2014-06-22 23:30:22 <belcher_> bitcoinj is written in java
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918 2014-06-22 23:37:24 <dekalo> I've tried with com.google.bitcoinj.core.Base58 but it is different encoding then base58check
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920 2014-06-22 23:39:17 <jcorgan> what is different?
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927 2014-06-22 23:49:14 <dekalo> ok, i've done some check and in effect it works well
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929 2014-06-22 23:49:47 <dekalo> i tried to transform a byte[] with a private ecdsa key to wif (wallet import format)
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933 2014-06-22 23:51:44 <dekalo> the specf tell to add a 0x01 to the end before hashing to use with pubk compressed, so i tried but the wif formatted key that i've obtained wasnt accepted by rpc command importprivkey
934 2014-06-22 23:52:07 <jcorgan> you need to prepend a 0x80 to it as well
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936 2014-06-22 23:52:19 <dekalo> now i tried without 0x01 in the and and all goes fine, obtained key starts with 5 and was accepted by bitcoind
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938 2014-06-22 23:52:39 <dekalo> yes the problem is postpending the 0x01 byte for public key compressed
939 2014-06-22 23:53:56 <dekalo> maybe bitcoind accept only privkey in this format ?
940 2014-06-22 23:54:21 <jcorgan> it will accept either compressed or uncompressed WIF formats
941 2014-06-22 23:56:19 <sipa> at least since bitcoind 0.6
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945 2014-06-22 23:59:26 <jcorgan> if this is code you are writing i'd check to make sure you are dealing properly with the increased length of the raw data before encoding