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 180 2014-06-26 01:54:20 * jgarzik makes a test fork
 181 2014-06-26 01:55:00 * gmaxwell introduces jgarzik to the power cp command that allows one to split a repository into two 'universes' which can simultaniously contain different code
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 281 2014-06-26 03:24:56 <zone117x> could someone direct me to the appropriate channel to ask pool dev questions? (vardiff specifically)
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 284 2014-06-26 03:26:35 <SomeoneWeird> zone117x: maybe #bitcoin-mining
 285 2014-06-26 03:27:07 <zone117x> ehh pretty sure they will just be miners not pool devs but I'll give it a shot thanks. not like there are many pool devs out there anyway
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 359 2014-06-26 05:25:30 <hero> hello
 360 2014-06-26 05:25:44 <hero> any one here try deal wih multisig address ?
 361 2014-06-26 05:26:16 <kazcw> off topic here, ask in #bitcoin.
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 363 2014-06-26 05:26:44 <hero> i ask but no one answer my question
 364 2014-06-26 05:26:56 <hero> i try to do multisig address in many times
 365 2014-06-26 05:27:02 <hero> and read many topics
 366 2014-06-26 05:27:17 <hero> i just want know something
 367 2014-06-26 05:27:48 <hero> when i create multisig address from address from current wallet it work
 368 2014-06-26 05:28:08 <hero> but when i create multisig address from publick key from other wallet
 369 2014-06-26 05:28:23 <hero> multisig address didn't show when i call listunspent
 370 2014-06-26 05:28:26 <hero> why ?
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 372 2014-06-26 05:29:22 <hero> hello ?
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 374 2014-06-26 05:30:21 <hero> can any one help me please ?
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 376 2014-06-26 05:30:44 <dsnrk> hero: you can't expect instant answers to your questions, same as in #bitcoin. if somebody knows they'll chime in. if they don't you'll just have to stick around and wait until there's somebody who does.
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 378 2014-06-26 05:31:40 <hero> ok
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 380 2014-06-26 05:31:48 <sam______> I am facing problem in retrieving information of old transaction using bitcoind.
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 385 2014-06-26 05:32:55 <dsnrk> sam______: this is really not the channel for that, but you need to enable txindex=1 in your bitcoin.conf before you can look up information about TXID you don't own.
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 387 2014-06-26 05:33:19 <dsnrk> enabling txindex will cause your node to reindex the block chain, which is a lengthy process.
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 405 2014-06-26 06:08:10 <freeroute> hi, can I please get un-banned from #bitcoin ? I was trying to help out a noob and I accidentally posted a link which contained some banned words
 406 2014-06-26 06:08:44 <freeroute> but secretly I think piquire was mad at me for calling it a bunch of sticks
 407 2014-06-26 06:09:47 <dsnrk> freeroute: #bitcoin-bans
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 409 2014-06-26 06:09:55 <freeroute> oh cool
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 456 2014-06-26 07:01:57 <wumpus> jgarzik: sipa: IMO it makes sense for the knowledge of how to convert command line arguments to json to be in the client and not the server, after all we're offering a JSON-RPC API not a command-line API. The command-line parsing is just icing on the cake to make the bitcoin-cli tool a bit more user-friendly to use from the shell and bash scripts. It's not necessary beyond that, from all other languages people should just use JSON as-is.
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 460 2014-06-26 07:03:54 <wumpus> of course the server could offer some form of introspection as to what arguments are expected
 461 2014-06-26 07:04:46 <wumpus> see also https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/4157  .. I wonder if there is a *standard* for JSON-RPC introspection so we don't have to reinvent the wheel again
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 468 2014-06-26 07:06:54 <wumpus> according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSON-RPC there is a 1.1 working draft that adds introspection, but it never made it into 2.0 ...
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 470 2014-06-26 07:10:03 <wumpus> XMBC defines a "JSONRPC.Introspect" API for self-documentation and introspection, interesting
 471 2014-06-26 07:10:34 <wumpus> hah there is even an 'JSON-RPC client generator' https://jsonrpcgen.codeplex.com/ 
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 561 2014-06-26 08:53:17 <kiddouk> good morning all.
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 566 2014-06-26 08:57:37 <wumpus> morning
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 568 2014-06-26 08:59:02 <dekalo> morning :D
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 574 2014-06-26 09:04:12 <wumpus> buh, tcmalloc shows me Dumping heap profile to /tmp/profile.0012.heap (12288 MB allocated cumulatively, 78 MB currently in use) ... but top shows VIRT 573376 RES 273680
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 580 2014-06-26 09:07:21 <wumpus> my gut feeling is that almost all of the memory in bitcoind's memory map consists of mmapped leveldb files, not even heap, or maybe it's not tracking everything (there is something in the tcmalloc doc about some STL implementations having their own allocators, but I doubht stdc++ is one of them)
 581 2014-06-26 09:07:28 <gmaxwell> so some of this is in thread stacks that tcmalloc won't see. A lot of it is in TC malloc overhead, which I think doesn't show up there (I'm not sure how to make it show up)... but 78 vs 273 is a lot. you might want to run in gdb and set breakpoints on sbrk and mmap and see if there are any obvious leaks outside of tcmalloc.
 582 2014-06-26 09:07:54 <gmaxwell> virt is not a useful measure generally, lots of stuff cause a lot of extra virt usage, especially on x86_64.
 583 2014-06-26 09:08:21 <gmaxwell> nah, the stl stuff uses new/malloc and should be caught (also in the profiles you'll see plenty of stl containers)
 584 2014-06-26 09:09:02 <wumpus> the thread stacks are 8MB
 585 2014-06-26 09:09:07 <gmaxwell> yes, per thread.
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 587 2014-06-26 09:09:27 <wumpus> right, for 18 threads
 588 2014-06-26 09:09:38 <wumpus> so that accounts for 144MB already
 589 2014-06-26 09:10:04 <wumpus> anyhow it looks like we're not even doing that bad heap-wise, I expected a lot more allocations
 590 2014-06-26 09:10:04 <gmaxwell> so only around half of whats missing.
 591 2014-06-26 09:10:20 <gmaxwell> we've been grinding down on them for much of the last year. :)
 592 2014-06-26 09:10:31 <wumpus> sure
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 601 2014-06-26 09:19:56 <wumpus> anyhow, I'm profiling a reindex over time, so it may still grow a lot
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 608 2014-06-26 09:32:44 <michagogo> wumpus: I'll look at rebasing my PR now
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 610 2014-06-26 09:35:40 <michagogo> Hm, I don't know if it's worth rebasing https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3775
 611 2014-06-26 09:35:54 <michagogo> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4271 does the same thing
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 636 2014-06-26 09:49:28 <wumpus> well, the doc change would be easy to merge
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 639 2014-06-26 09:50:29 <wumpus> the other one does depenency bumps and renames, I don't like those without a good reason
 640 2014-06-26 09:50:43 <wumpus> (ie, a security fix or upgrade)
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 642 2014-06-26 09:51:25 <wumpus> so that means it will stay on hold until the next time it's really needed, like https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4350
 643 2014-06-26 09:51:55 <gmaxwell> "what do you mean no good reason? I worked hard to get that backdoor in that release!"
 644 2014-06-26 09:52:06 <wumpus> hehe
 645 2014-06-26 09:52:37 <dsnrk> w̶o̶r̶k̶e̶d̶ ̶h̶a̶r̶d̶ paid a lot
 646 2014-06-26 09:53:08 <gmaxwell> hey, mowing lawns is hard work!
 647 2014-06-26 09:53:14 <wumpus> height=157000, 87MB heap in use... we're actually freeing up memory, this is going the right way :)
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 660 2014-06-26 10:02:24 <michagogo> wumpus: bumps?
 661 2014-06-26 10:02:35 <wumpus> it's a pity that it only shows where the allocations were done, not the types and classes etc
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 664 2014-06-26 10:03:37 <michagogo> 4271 doesn't bump any deps
 665 2014-06-26 10:03:40 <wumpus> michagogo: anyhow, it means extra work for git builders for no good reason
 666 2014-06-26 10:03:55 <michagogo> Consistency is a bad reason? :-(
 667 2014-06-26 10:03:58 <wumpus> so NACK from me
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 670 2014-06-26 10:05:07 <wumpus> up to a point consistency is good, but it should not be expensive, as I said I suggest combining the rename with the next time an actual change to the dependencies is necessary
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 679 2014-06-26 10:06:56 <wumpus> the warning exists because comparing unsigned and signed integers can have non-intuitive resuults in some cases
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 682 2014-06-26 10:07:45 <wumpus> it's a "please specify better what you want", sometimes it may be an actual problem, but not always...
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 684 2014-06-26 10:08:34 <AndersAA> wumpus: Yeah, that's why I was wondering about this specific case?
 685 2014-06-26 10:08:59 <michagogo> wumpus: well
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 687 2014-06-26 10:09:21 <michagogo> 4271 improves more in the docs than 3775 does
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 689 2014-06-26 10:10:22 <Luke-Jr> michagogo: IMO it can wait until the deps are being split to dedicated yml files, and gitian has automatic dependency resolution :p
 690 2014-06-26 10:10:47 <Luke-Jr> or at least until something needs to change for some other reason
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 700 2014-06-26 10:19:46 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: good point, cfields is working on a larger-scale redesign of gitian building, to make it possible to use the same scripts for pulltester (or the travis variant), might as well wait for that
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 705 2014-06-26 10:23:17 <AndersAA> wumpus: Sure, may take a closer look at it next week when I have the time.
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 725 2014-06-26 10:40:46 <michagogo> wumpus: I think you may have forgotten to remove the "After 3 or more people have gitian-built, repackage gitian-signed zips:" header
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 730 2014-06-26 10:49:57 <michagogo> wumpus: Thinking maybe I should split 4271 into two PRs
 731 2014-06-26 10:50:19 <michagogo> One that does the cleanup and one that does the OS X renaming
 732 2014-06-26 10:50:42 <michagogo> (in other words, split the rename into its own PR)
 733 2014-06-26 10:50:46 <michagogo> What's the best way to do that?
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 735 2014-06-26 10:53:25 <michagogo> Anyway, 3775 is rebased now, as far as I can tell
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 767 2014-06-26 11:34:03 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: yes, tinyformat doesn't care about size specifiers
 768 2014-06-26 11:34:32 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: it ignored them generally, unless it's crazy windows-ish ones, but it's better to just not specify them
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 850 2014-06-26 13:08:16 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: ping
 851 2014-06-26 13:08:31 <Luke-Jr> actually, wumpus: ping
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 853 2014-06-26 13:10:09 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: re https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1816 splitting up AcceptBlock means the new split functions would need to assume the mutex is held already (thus not get it themselves) to ensure the mutex isn't released between checks & writing - forcing the callers to hold the mutex instead
 854 2014-06-26 13:10:54 <Luke-Jr> in which case IMO those new methods would best be private, and the current AcceptBlock interface (with fWriteToDisk added) exposed as a wrapper
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 857 2014-06-26 13:11:06 <Luke-Jr> the question is, is that a change that still makes sense to you?
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 889 2014-06-26 13:53:18 <Anduck> what would be the best method to track for addresses (for incoming transactions)?
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 891 2014-06-26 13:53:44 <Anduck> without having the wallet
 892 2014-06-26 13:54:55 <epscy> not sure if it is the best way but you could use block notify to let you know when a new block is found then check if the block contains any txes you are interested in
 893 2014-06-26 13:55:22 <Anduck> hmm.. true
 894 2014-06-26 13:55:33 <Anduck> thanks!
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 906 2014-06-26 14:09:59 <shesek> Anduck, I'm using btcd for that
 907 2014-06-26 14:10:05 <Anduck> btcd? bitcoind?
 908 2014-06-26 14:10:16 <shesek> no, a Go implementation of a full node
 909 2014-06-26 14:10:29 <Anduck> i am using 'listsinceblock' from bitcoind, i guess it's good for reading all blocks?
 910 2014-06-26 14:10:39 <shesek> its websocket api allows you to listen for transactions made to addresses or transactions that spends a specific output
 911 2014-06-26 14:10:46 <shesek> and gives you push notifications when that happens
 912 2014-06-26 14:10:51 <Anduck> is it stable?
 913 2014-06-26 14:11:09 <shesek> well, yeah, but you'll have to parse the blocks yourself and all that, which isn't really ideal
 914 2014-06-26 14:11:31 <shesek> its still considered alpha quality, but I've been using it for some time now and its quite stable
 915 2014-06-26 14:11:34 <Anduck> hmm, the thing is i need to read the incoming stuff when needed, can't 'listen'
 916 2014-06-26 14:11:38 <Anduck> alright
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 920 2014-06-26 14:12:26 <shesek> oh, good to know. :)
 921 2014-06-26 14:12:56 <Anduck> any thoughts about the 'listsincebblock' way?
 922 2014-06-26 14:13:14 <Anduck> just testing it to see if it lists all transactions, not just wallet-address addressed
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 958 2014-06-26 14:55:33 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: except for above question, the rest are rebased and addressed
 959 2014-06-26 14:55:53 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: it's a good question
 960 2014-06-26 14:57:32 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: I don't have a quick answer to it, but I don't like complicating AcceptBlock etc even more :(
 961 2014-06-26 14:57:57 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: me either, but proposals is probably the most important of those :/
 962 2014-06-26 14:58:42 <Luke-Jr> (miners can run multiple versions in parallel and ensure they only mine blocks accepted by all)
 963 2014-06-26 14:59:29 <wumpus> yes, the functionality makes a lot of sense
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1009 2014-06-26 15:47:46 <dekalo> im trying to understand why in signrawtransaction() (rpcrawtransaction.cpp) txVariants is declared as vector<CMutableTransaction>?
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1015 2014-06-26 15:51:19 <dekalo> maybe is the same reason of using a BOOST_FOREACH on txVariants in the signing process
1016 2014-06-26 15:51:43 <dekalo> but if there is only 1 rawtx in input why to iterate ?
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1131 2014-06-26 18:19:14 <michagogo> Hm, anyone know what "subver" : "Dain 0.0.1" is?
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1133 2014-06-26 18:19:31 <michagogo> (and who's still running "/Satoshi:0.7.99/"?!?)
1134 2014-06-26 18:20:44 <mpescador> I've got a question about scripts. May scriptsig's only push values to the stack, or may it also contain other opcodes? Is that invalid or just nonstandard?
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1136 2014-06-26 18:21:03 <michagogo> mpescador: Pretty sure scriptSigs are allowed to do more than push
1137 2014-06-26 18:21:15 <michagogo> But because there's no input to them, it's pointless
1138 2014-06-26 18:21:38 <michagogo> And so, IIRC any non-push opcodes render the tx non-standard according to BCC
1139 2014-06-26 18:21:41 <michagogo> BC*
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1141 2014-06-26 18:23:03 <mpescador> I understand that they are nonstandard, I wanted to know what's valid though. For example if a scripsig contains an op_checksig command, I wouldn't know what to hash.
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1144 2014-06-26 18:27:43 <andytoshi> mpescador: they are valid. i can't say for sure what would happen if a scriptsig contained an CHECKSIG but i'd guess that it's no different than if the scriptpubkey you're concatenating to it contained a CHECKSIG
1145 2014-06-26 18:28:28 <ninjashogun> Hi, can someone PM me who could help me in how to join/set up the WoT thing?
1146 2014-06-26 18:28:40 <ninjashogun> I can't figure out how to get gribble to recognize my fingerprint
1147 2014-06-26 18:28:51 <andytoshi> that is, you zero out every scriptsig (including the CHECKSIG that you're evaluating), look at the sighash type byte on the ECDSA signature (or is it on the key? i don't remember) and do the right thing
1148 2014-06-26 18:29:11 <andytoshi> i bet if somebody did this it'd bump coinbase off the network :)
1149 2014-06-26 18:29:21 <andytoshi> coinbase.io i mean
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1152 2014-06-26 18:30:37 <gmaxwell> ninjashogun: go to #bitcoin-otc
1153 2014-06-26 18:31:02 <michagogo> andytoshi: Error code: DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN
1154 2014-06-26 18:31:54 <michagogo> Looks like that domain is registered but has no records
1155 2014-06-26 18:32:11 <ninjashogun> gmaxwell - gladamas is helping me thx.  the hard part is uplodaing the cert, I thought it was automatic (as I clicked 'publish' int he client)
1156 2014-06-26 18:32:13 <michagogo> (other than NSes)
1157 2014-06-26 18:32:33 <andytoshi> michagogo: oh, i mean that exchange company called coinbase...don't recall the url
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1159 2014-06-26 18:32:47 <michagogo> The one that's also a payment processor and wallet?
1160 2014-06-26 18:32:49 <michagogo> coinbase.com
1161 2014-06-26 18:32:50 <andytoshi> yeah
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1163 2014-06-26 18:33:08 <michagogo> Why, what are they using?
1164 2014-06-26 18:33:20 <andytoshi> they have ruby consensus code and are famous here for dropping off whenever a weird block rolls by
1165 2014-06-26 18:33:33 <michagogo> s/fam/infam/ ?
1166 2014-06-26 18:33:37 <andytoshi> :P yeah
1167 2014-06-26 18:33:57 <michagogo> Someone should do it on testnet first to make sure it works, then put one in mainnet
1168 2014-06-26 18:34:10 <michagogo> (with a little help from Luke, I guess)
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1170 2014-06-26 18:35:37 <gmaxwell> I'm pretty sure there is a scriptsig with a checksig on it someplace on the network but I can't find it.
1171 2014-06-26 18:37:53 <mpescador> andytoshi: thanks for your answers. I first thought that you only had to remove the signature itself, but apparently you have to remove the whole scriptsig.
1172 2014-06-26 18:38:57 <andytoshi> mpescador: yup, CHECKSIG is aware of transaction structure and the stack, but doesn't ever parse scripts (i believe)
1173 2014-06-26 18:39:15 <andytoshi> so it couldn't distinguish between what's an ECDSA signature and what's not
1174 2014-06-26 18:40:45 <gmaxwell> mpescador: it's probably a better mental model to reconize that scriptPubkey and scriptSig are actually the pubkey and signature of a special hybrid cryptosystem for signatures— Script. This cryptosystem happens to embed ecdsa, but thats no more unusual than ECDSA embedding multiplication.
1175 2014-06-26 18:44:43 <ninjashogun> andytoshi, we've had our differences but it has been civil and ultimately constructive.  I it's OK I would like to ask you civilly for a reference/opinion on a certain crypto community that I am considering joining, if you know anything about them.  You PM'd me on this subject before - the theoretical claims against PoS systems.
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1179 2014-06-26 18:46:20 <ninjashogun> I would like to know a bit more about a certian community (if you know anything about them).  I haven't connected with aonyone personally who have been in it.  Mind a PM?
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1181 2014-06-26 18:46:59 <andytoshi> hey ninjashogun, go for it
1182 2014-06-26 18:48:59 <mpescador> andytoshi: I thought I understood it, but now I'm not so sure anymore. I thought op_checksig just searched the subscript for occurrences of the signature and delete those. It's true that you would have to parse it to distinguish between the actual signature and some other sequences of bytes that happens to be the same, but such a collision is extremely unlikely. I would swear I saw such
1183 2014-06-26 18:48:59 <mpescador> an implementation in some source somewhere.
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1318 2014-06-26 19:55:16 <Anduck> is there a patch/fork of bitcoin core to support deterministic wallet?
1319 2014-06-26 19:55:28 <Anduck> with public master key (trezor-like)
1320 2014-06-26 19:55:58 <gmaxwell> public master key has pretty severe security limitations, so I wouldn't recommend a wallet use only that.
1321 2014-06-26 19:56:27 <gmaxwell> you'd have to remove exporting private keys if you wanted any hope of avoiding users totally footgunning their security.
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1326 2014-06-26 20:03:08 <Anduck> hmm..
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1328 2014-06-26 20:03:55 <Anduck> i thought i'd use that system so i can generate unlimited receiving addresses for people to use - and use a single private key to control all of them
1329 2014-06-26 20:05:50 <Anduck> any idea how to make a system where there are public keys at server (to handle to customers) and priv keys would be offline only
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1331 2014-06-26 20:05:54 <Anduck> so a 'watch only' node
1332 2014-06-26 20:06:33 <Anduck> i heard an idea of importing 'a shitton' of addresses in a wallet and then encrypting it with a very long passphrase and never open it when it's in production server
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1342 2014-06-26 20:12:14 <Anduck> hmm... gotta read more about this aproach..:)
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1344 2014-06-26 20:13:00 <ninjashogun> Anduck, you should join #bitcoin-dev they do things like that
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1346 2014-06-26 20:13:08 <Anduck> this is #bitcoin-dev
1347 2014-06-26 20:13:11 <ninjashogun> Anduck, what you've described sounds like what I heard about 'stealth' addresses
1348 2014-06-26 20:13:20 <ninjashogun> oh
1349 2014-06-26 20:13:23 <ninjashogun> nevermind
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1351 2014-06-26 20:14:58 <Anduck> bip0032 sounds good
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1353 2014-06-26 20:15:28 <wumpus> Anduck: a patch for watch-only functionality in core has been implemented by someone, see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4045
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1355 2014-06-26 20:15:39 <Anduck> thanks
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1387 2014-06-26 20:44:40 <Einewton> Hi... Is there a way to quickly confirm a transactions before the first confirmation?
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1389 2014-06-26 20:45:22 <Einewton> I'm curious to know how bitpay can confirm a payment so quickly?
1390 2014-06-26 20:46:00 <Swadq> Einewton: transactions are relayed before they appear in a block
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1392 2014-06-26 20:46:29 <Swadq> There’s no assurance that the transaction will appear in the block though. BitPay choose to accept transactions without confirmations and later take action if they are double spends
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1394 2014-06-26 20:47:03 <Swadq> If you’re using a library to interface with the bitcoin network, there will be the option for you to do this too, if you desire
1395 2014-06-26 20:47:37 <TheButterZone> any code breakers, stenographers? PM me
1396 2014-06-26 20:47:46 <TheButterZone> steganographer
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1400 2014-06-26 20:50:43 <Einewton> Swadq, Thank you.. I'll look at using a libary to interface with the bitcoin network.
1401 2014-06-26 20:51:05 <Einewton> I'm building an sit to accept BitCoin, so I was just curious.
1402 2014-06-26 20:51:10 <Einewton> Thank you.
1403 2014-06-26 20:51:14 <Einewton> site*
1404 2014-06-26 20:52:31 <Swadq> No worries. RPC to bitcoind seems to be the goto at the moment
1405 2014-06-26 20:53:14 <Einewton> Alright, I am currently using bitcoin-cli as the RPC currently.
1406 2014-06-26 20:53:25 <Einewton> For my testing.
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1413 2014-06-26 20:57:55 <dekalo> ehi Swadq :)
1414 2014-06-26 20:58:06 <Swadq> Hi there :)
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1435 2014-06-26 21:20:26 <jgarzik> with JSON-spirit:
1436 2014-06-26 21:20:29 <jgarzik> jgarzik@hum:~/repo/bitcoin/src$ size bitcoind
1437 2014-06-26 21:20:29 <jgarzik>    text	   data	    bss	    dec	    hex	filename
1438 2014-06-26 21:20:29 <jgarzik> 4106544	  48481	  13192	4168217	 3f9a19	bitcoind
1439 2014-06-26 21:20:48 <jgarzik> without JSON-spirit (using UniValue):
1440 2014-06-26 21:20:49 <jgarzik> jgarzik@hum:~/repo/bitcoin/src$ size bitcoind
1441 2014-06-26 21:20:49 <jgarzik>    text	   data	    bss	    dec	    hex	filename
1442 2014-06-26 21:20:49 <jgarzik> 3680618	  46377	  14888	3741883	 3918bb	bitcoind
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1444 2014-06-26 21:20:59 <jgarzik> gmaxwell, wumpus: ^
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1447 2014-06-26 21:21:52 <jgarzik> converted the entire tree, in a private branch.  still have some money-formatting related tests failing, and a few other details to sort out.
1448 2014-06-26 21:22:25 <jgarzik> exact same functionality, just swapped JSON-spirit API for UniValue API
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1455 2014-06-26 21:25:47 <gmaxwell> pretty great! though to be a little more fair perhaps you should compile with LTO. Presumably we'll be using LTO sometime in the not far future, and it should fix at least some of the json bleeding.
1456 2014-06-26 21:26:22 <gmaxwell> (not that I wouldn't prefer we switch— for one, AFAIR we're stranded on our current json code version because they garbaged up the number precision)
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1476 2014-06-26 21:43:07 <jgarzik> json-spirit + LTO:
1477 2014-06-26 21:43:09 <jgarzik>    text	   data	    bss	    dec	    hex	filename
1478 2014-06-26 21:43:09 <jgarzik> 3134433	  47452	  13112	3194997	 30c075	bitcoind
1479 2014-06-26 21:43:20 <jgarzik> univalue+LTO:
1480 2014-06-26 21:43:22 <jgarzik>    text	   data	    bss	    dec	    hex	filename
1481 2014-06-26 21:43:23 <jgarzik> 2971062	  45840	  14840	3031742	 2e42be	bitcoind
1482 2014-06-26 21:44:55 <jgarzik> gmaxwell, ^
1483 2014-06-26 21:44:59 * jgarzik *poof*
1484 2014-06-26 21:45:57 <gmaxwell> K! less savings but still substantial.
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1599 2014-06-26 23:53:34 <cfields> sipa: no way you're still up, i suppose?
1600 2014-06-26 23:53:44 <sipa> cfields: unfortunately i am
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1602 2014-06-26 23:54:09 <cfields> sipa: heh, go to bed
1603 2014-06-26 23:54:13 <cfields> but first... :)
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1605 2014-06-26 23:54:35 <cfields> https://github.com/bitcoin/secp256k1/pull/33
1606 2014-06-26 23:54:45 <cfields> curious what you think of that. I'd really like to get it in one way or another, if you're not opposed
1607 2014-06-26 23:55:32 <gmaxwell> cfields: did you ever do the thing I suggested where you verified that the generated object code was unchanged?
1608 2014-06-26 23:55:59 <cfields> gmaxwell: not yet, that's my next step. want to make sure sipa's onboard before i spend the time on it though
1609 2014-06-26 23:56:10 <sipa> so many casts scare me
1610 2014-06-26 23:56:22 <cfields> gmaxwell: also, i'm really not sure that spelling out all of those casts is the way to go.
1611 2014-06-26 23:56:24 <sipa> but in general i like the idea of the code satisfying pedantic warning rules
1612 2014-06-26 23:56:30 <cfields> it'd be nicer to actually fix them correctly, but much harder to review
1613 2014-06-26 23:56:46 <sipa> but i think i'd rather see that happen incrementally
1614 2014-06-26 23:56:55 <cfields> sipa: well the idea is that the casts are a first step, for easy review. then we can fix them one by one
1615 2014-06-26 23:57:11 <cfields> the alternative would be to fix them one by one, then turn on the warnings once they're cleared
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1617 2014-06-26 23:58:18 <cfields> i gather you'd prefer the latter, then?
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1620 2014-06-26 23:59:23 <sipa> yes, though the object code not changing (maybe for just a subset of the changes) would give a lot of confidence
1621 2014-06-26 23:59:47 <cfields> sipa: well to fix them properly, the object code will be changing
1622 2014-06-26 23:59:49 <gmaxwell> cfields: fwiw, on the opus codebase which is about 10x larger than libsecp256k1 while making a similar pedantic satisifying change before standarizing the format, I found one place where (1) I performed the conversion incorrectly, (2) The original code in question was broken and my incorrect conversion fixed it. :)
1623 2014-06-26 23:59:52 <cfields> as well as some of the internal apis