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180 2014-07-02 03:45:45 <jprichardson> Does the spec for base58 check encoding include the version number? According to https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Base58Check_encoding it does, but https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/base58.cpp#L108-L114 it doesn't.
181 2014-07-02 03:45:46 <jprichardson> ?
182 2014-07-02 03:46:08 <jprichardson> (I'm not asking about understanding or anything like that... I'm curious about the spec)
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197 2014-07-02 04:03:49 <visiteur_1> salut
198 2014-07-02 04:04:38 <visiteur_1> please read it and spread it: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/focus-fusion-empowertheworld--3
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236 2014-07-02 05:00:06 <sipa> jprichardson: implementation detail
237 2014-07-02 05:00:39 <sipa> jprichardson: encoding of an address is base58check(versionbyte + 160bit hash)
238 2014-07-02 05:01:18 <sipa> jprichardson: with base58check itself not adding the version byte, but does add the checksum
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271 2014-07-02 05:45:13 <sipa> getutxosetinfo does not work on head?
272 2014-07-02 05:45:41 <sipa> i get "couldn't parse reply from server"
273 2014-07-02 05:45:52 <gmaxwell> works on 6e8472ec7cd6db2344ebc62c7c3eaed158fe3f05 for me
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275 2014-07-02 05:46:07 <gmaxwell> which is a week or so old I guess?
276 2014-07-02 05:46:09 <sipa> what serialized size do you get?
277 2014-07-02 05:46:19 <gmaxwell> "bytes_serialized" : 408298844,
278 2014-07-02 05:46:23 <sipa> i suspect the json parsing changes, which may be more recent
279 2014-07-02 05:46:24 <gmaxwell> "height" : 308838,
280 2014-07-02 05:46:29 <sipa> thanks
281 2014-07-02 05:46:42 <gmaxwell> (gives you a point to bisect from if you want to chase it.
282 2014-07-02 05:46:43 <gmaxwell> )
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300 2014-07-02 06:05:18 <wumpus> the "couldn't parse reply from server" problem should be solved, it was introduced in c912e22d and solved by 16f33f16
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304 2014-07-02 06:08:47 <shubham> How to find the ip address of the system from which transaction is made?
305 2014-07-02 06:09:09 <wumpus> either you just got one of the unlucky versions in between, or there is another error problem
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307 2014-07-02 06:09:37 <sipa> shubham: in general, you don't
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310 2014-07-02 06:10:44 <shubham> but then how blockchain.info is able to get the ip address of the system?
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312 2014-07-02 06:11:13 <gmaxwell> they are not, they report the host they heard the transaction from themselves, its often not the source (though it sometimes is)
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314 2014-07-02 06:11:32 <wumpus> connect to a lot of nodes (and let a lot of nodes connect to you), then erport who you got it from first
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316 2014-07-02 06:12:33 <wumpus> it's completely unreliable, and has given various people trouble in the past
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318 2014-07-02 06:12:50 <gmaxwell> of course, connecting to a lot of nodes wastes resources on the network, and some people will block you when they see you doing it... so I certantly wouldn't recommend you actually go and try this.
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320 2014-07-02 06:13:03 <wumpus> mainly because of sites like that I recommend always using bitcoin behind tor
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324 2014-07-02 06:13:59 <wumpus> not that it helps you if you run a node and someone thinks you sent a 'bad' transaction, but at least if enough people use tor the information is muddled even more
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330 2014-07-02 06:19:32 <shubham> which is the best tool to analyse bitcoin transactions?
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333 2014-07-02 06:20:28 <wumpus> but this is really #bitcoin discussion, please take it there
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336 2014-07-02 06:24:32 <warren> http://demo.baronpay.org/ Give it a try. Uses bitcoind as the backend.
337 2014-07-02 06:25:13 <wumpus> warren: did you ever answer the question about the node banning?
338 2014-07-02 06:27:24 <warren> wumpus: sorry, the logs during that time are gone
339 2014-07-02 06:27:27 <wumpus> warren: you reported that a 0.9.2.1 node banned a node running master
340 2014-07-02 06:27:30 <wumpus> sigh
341 2014-07-02 06:27:30 <warren> yes
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343 2014-07-02 06:28:27 <sipa> wouldn't that be the relay double spend joke?
344 2014-07-02 06:28:36 <wumpus> IIRC it was before that was merged
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346 2014-07-02 06:28:58 <wumpus> but yes, that gives another angle
347 2014-07-02 06:29:07 <warren> wumpus: I recall it 0.9.2.1 was testnet, it was stuck syncing from random nodes at ~80k. I connected my master bitcoin-qt to help sync it. shortly thereafter I saw 10 messages in succession in the 0.9.2.1 node's debug.log and my master node was banned.
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349 2014-07-02 06:29:50 <wumpus> warren: well... thanks for reporting anyway, let's hope it was someone that modified their software
350 2014-07-02 06:30:08 <warren> wumpus: no, I controlled both sides
351 2014-07-02 06:30:11 <wumpus> oh it was your own node, hmm
352 2014-07-02 06:30:43 <wumpus> what requires 10 messages to be banned...
353 2014-07-02 06:31:03 <sipa> anything with banscore 10
354 2014-07-02 06:31:12 <sipa> there aren't too many of those afaik
355 2014-07-02 06:31:27 <wumpus> only two
356 2014-07-02 06:31:38 <wumpus> AddBlockToQueue state->nBlocksToDownload > 5000
357 2014-07-02 06:32:14 <sipa> ugh
358 2014-07-02 06:32:19 <wumpus> and the alert penalty
359 2014-07-02 06:33:32 <wumpus> oh indirectly there is also return state.DoS(10, error("AcceptBlock() : contains a non-final transaction")
360 2014-07-02 06:33:33 <sipa> that first one can happen randonly, it's just to prevent queues from getting too long
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362 2014-07-02 06:34:00 <sipa> that last one should be 100, it's an undeniable violation of the consensus rules
363 2014-07-02 06:34:14 <wumpus> return state.DoS(10, error("CheckTransaction() : vin empty") return state.DoS(10, error("CheckTransaction() : vout empty"), ... ehh actually there are quite a lot, I didn't look at this angle
364 2014-07-02 06:34:14 <warren> non-final means?
365 2014-07-02 06:34:44 <sipa> and the first one should be 0, and just a disconnect
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367 2014-07-02 06:35:03 <wumpus> but 0.9.x stopped sending those anyway
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369 2014-07-02 06:35:21 <wumpus> and master certainly shouldn't
370 2014-07-02 06:35:35 <sipa> my guess is the nBlocksToDownload
371 2014-07-02 06:35:43 <wumpus> I do get the 0.8.1 node banned sometimes that sends empty vins, but heh they should upgrade
372 2014-07-02 06:35:47 <sipa> especially with a local fast node
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464 2014-07-02 08:43:01 <afk11> I'm curious if anyone is working on implementations which use P2SH here? I'm investigating a protocol similar to BIP70/paymentprotocol for multisigP2SH wallet pairing, and signature requests for transactions
465 2014-07-02 08:44:06 <afk11> I'd like to see if anyone is working on something similar so I'm not reinventing the wheel.. Or if anyone wants to help me shape this idea, please get in touch also
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588 2014-07-02 12:15:09 <larku> Hey all - I'm a game developer who is totally ignorant of how the bitcoin ecosystem works, but I'm looking to integrate the ability for my players to compete against each other for bitcoins (ie, both pay in bit coin to compete, winner takes the winnings with the house taking a small cut) Can anyone offer some pointers, url's, hints, tips, etc? Basically I'm beginning my research now, starting here where the experts are :)
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591 2014-07-02 12:16:38 <Naphex> larku: don't use custom bitcoin implementations, go for BitcoinJ Java/ BitcoinJS / Bitcoin Core. use core bitcoin if you're willing to put some extra work in secureing the daemon
592 2014-07-02 12:17:43 <larku> Naphex, that's the sort of info I'm looking for - so there is already 3rd party software to facilitate most of the transactions etc? I don't want to handle the transactions if I can!
593 2014-07-02 12:17:48 <TradeFortress> larku, if you'd be doing a lot of transactions, it'd be a good idea to handle user balances yourself
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595 2014-07-02 12:18:15 <TradeFortress> by that I mean, have a db of each user's balances, make sure you lock.
596 2014-07-02 12:18:21 <Naphex> larku: don't use 3rd parties, you'll have hell with uptimes
597 2014-07-02 12:18:24 <TradeFortress> when a user wants to deposit/withdraw, that's when you interface with bitcoin libraries
598 2014-07-02 12:18:26 <larku> TradeFortress, well, I hope to be doing lots of transactions (wish, wish(
599 2014-07-02 12:18:35 <Naphex> and your 3rd partys are always going to be offline or malfactioning in the sweetest times
600 2014-07-02 12:18:56 <TradeFortress> larku, right. so you touch your bitcoin client of choice (I'd personally go with bitcoind) when a user deposits, or withdraws bitcoin
601 2014-07-02 12:19:00 <larku> Naphex, right.
602 2014-07-02 12:19:07 <TradeFortress> while in your game, treat bitcoin just like some other ingame currency/score/etc.
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605 2014-07-02 12:19:56 <jaakkos> larku: for your service's sake, you should study carefully how bitcoin works or you will probably get hacked. using the reference bitcoin daemon (bitcoind/Bitcoin Core) can get you far.
606 2014-07-02 12:20:02 <Naphex> TradeFortress: a decent future would be to use the internal transaction log, with some move functionality
607 2014-07-02 12:20:07 <Naphex> but kinda not enough atm
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609 2014-07-02 12:20:44 <TradeFortress> Naphex, that solves from you having to worry about locking/etc, but I don't suggest it because you can't easily do queries on it
610 2014-07-02 12:20:53 <Naphex> larku: make sure you validate & authenticate all requests for withdrawals, before actually transmiting the transactions
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614 2014-07-02 12:22:19 <larku> Naphex, absolutely - I'm a veteran developer and security and authentication will be of highest priority - I'm just totally clueless when it comes to bitcoin
615 2014-07-02 12:23:04 <Naphex> larku: a good start up would be learning bitcoin some. buy some use it, move it around. install a core bitcoin daemon and try the api
616 2014-07-02 12:23:10 <Naphex> move some coins around
617 2014-07-02 12:23:11 <TradeFortress> here are some pointers (obviously you need to do some more research)
618 2014-07-02 12:23:42 <TradeFortress> give user deposit address: rpc call getaccountaddress [some_unique_user_identifer_you_can_pick]
619 2014-07-02 12:24:38 <Naphex> listtransactions / listtransactionsince to sync to an internal tree, have triggers on the data
620 2014-07-02 12:24:51 <TradeFortress> if you want to handle balances yourself from that point, pass -blocknotify to call a script or something that checks transactions
621 2014-07-02 12:25:36 <TradeFortress> when a user wants to withdraw, make sure it's not vulnerable to a race attack, make sure you've deducted their balance on your internal tree, sendtoaddress [address] [amount in btc]
622 2014-07-02 12:25:52 <Naphex> use multisig 2of2 / 2of3 to secure cold wallet funds, only have 'safe' amount in hot wallets
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624 2014-07-02 12:26:10 <larku> (I'm going to copy paste this session and research everything you guys say - so keep spewing out the awesome details!)
625 2014-07-02 12:26:38 <Naphex> in the process learn how to do some raw transactions, learning some good things on the way:P
626 2014-07-02 12:27:08 <Naphex> if you keep deposit / withdraw fees, have a special account for fees. and move before
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629 2014-07-02 12:27:24 <Naphex> only sendtoaddress sfrom special withdrawal account
630 2014-07-02 12:28:00 <TradeFortress> Naphex, that's if you rely on bitcoind's internal accounts
631 2014-07-02 12:28:23 <Naphex> TradeFortress: at least it will keep the accounts clean, without negative value
632 2014-07-02 12:28:33 <Naphex> so i guess it might just be a bit proper, keep internals clean
633 2014-07-02 12:28:40 <TradeFortress> Naphex, well yeah that is ture.
634 2014-07-02 12:29:00 <TradeFortress> unless you craft raw transactions yourself, you won't know what the network fee will be
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637 2014-07-02 12:29:20 <TradeFortress> charging a static 0.0001 or 0.0002 is sane for now.
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640 2014-07-02 12:30:35 <larku> TradeFortress, that's about 5c - 10c at the moment yeah?
641 2014-07-02 12:32:06 <TradeFortress> yep. that fee is only when someone withdraws to a bitcoin address, you don't pay fees when you just update your balance ledger internally.
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643 2014-07-02 12:34:12 <larku> Thanks a lot everyone - lots of good info to kick start my research!
644 2014-07-02 12:34:21 <larku> (I've got a long road ahead :) )
645 2014-07-02 12:34:25 <Naphex> glhf
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647 2014-07-02 12:37:19 <GinAddict> general point on bitcoin services development: unless it is your core to offer bitcoin services, does it make sense for most businesses (gaming, content providers, etc) to handle bitcoin themselves on an online server? IMHO they are better off using a third party
648 2014-07-02 12:38:39 <GinAddict> It's hard enough already to make bitcoin only services secure enough
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651 2014-07-02 12:42:31 <epscy> GinAddict: i generally agree with that
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653 2014-07-02 12:42:53 <epscy> the flip side is though, what's the point of bitcoin if we just tell everybody to use a third party?
654 2014-07-02 12:43:16 <sipa> i think the important part is that you can choose not to
655 2014-07-02 12:43:19 <t7> is Berkeley db code still in the client?
656 2014-07-02 12:43:24 <sipa> for the wallet, yesz
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730 2014-07-02 14:07:47 <Alina-malina> erm
731 2014-07-02 14:08:04 <Alina-malina> bitcoinity.org/markets, how come that i cant see any changes in dev tools, but it change values?
732 2014-07-02 14:08:08 <Alina-malina> where those come from?
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767 2014-07-02 14:56:27 <ttll> Alina-malina, websocket afaik
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784 2014-07-02 15:09:07 <Alina-malina> ttll, so the websocket doesnt neer do to requests and i cant see anything on webdebtools in browser right?
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786 2014-07-02 15:09:42 <ttll> you can, google webdevtools + websocket
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804 2014-07-02 15:42:26 <dhill> playing with mining, we have found cgminer sometimes submits an invalid hex string .. it has an extra 0xa0 on the end, making the string an odd length. bitcoind's ParseHex happily ignores it. is that intentional, or should bitcoind be rejecting invalid hex strings?
805 2014-07-02 15:42:57 <sipa> which protocol?
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808 2014-07-02 15:44:31 <dhill> sipa: http://gbpaste.org/xrxhm
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810 2014-07-02 15:44:53 <dhill> cgminer does a submitblock with an odd length sometimes.. has a 0xa0 on the end.
811 2014-07-02 15:45:09 <dhill> if on odd lengths, we remove the last char.. it works.. but it hides a bug
812 2014-07-02 15:45:22 <dhill> that invalid hex is allowed
813 2014-07-02 15:45:40 <sipa> i don't think we should accept that
814 2014-07-02 15:45:52 <sipa> i'm surprised we do
815 2014-07-02 15:45:57 <dhill> ParseHex returns what it has decoded so far once it hits an invalid char
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817 2014-07-02 15:46:12 <sipa> and the caller doesn't check the return value of parsehex?
818 2014-07-02 15:46:31 <jrick> what's even better is how IsHex returns false, and ParseHex can still successfully parse the string
819 2014-07-02 15:46:33 <Luke-Jr> dhill: it's invalid
820 2014-07-02 15:46:46 <dhill> Luke-Jr: right, bitcoind accepts it
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822 2014-07-02 15:46:55 <Luke-Jr> dhill: sounds like a bug we should fix
823 2014-07-02 15:47:28 <dhill> maybe ParseHex should just do if strlen(hexstring)%2 != 0, return error
824 2014-07-02 15:47:49 <Graet> might be worth reporting in #cgminer too dhill
825 2014-07-02 15:47:52 <jrick> nah don't use strlen
826 2014-07-02 15:47:52 <Luke-Jr> oh, you mean a literal \n character?
827 2014-07-02 15:48:05 <sipa> seems so
828 2014-07-02 15:48:12 * Luke-Jr wonders what the outcome is if it's extra hex
829 2014-07-02 15:48:21 <jrick> you have to iterate the string to parse it regardless, no reason to do it twice with strlen
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831 2014-07-02 15:50:29 <Luke-Jr> Graet: it's probably intentional, they purposely implemented GBT poorly to make it look bad
832 2014-07-02 15:50:46 <Graet> dont fud
833 2014-07-02 15:51:21 <Luke-Jr> truth isn't fud.
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846 2014-07-02 16:01:07 <dhill> Luke-Jr: it isn't \n (0x0a) .. it is 0xa0
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849 2014-07-02 16:02:02 <Luke-Jr> dhill: OH! that one âº
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851 2014-07-02 16:02:20 <Luke-Jr> dhill: surprised you're not getting gibberish after it, and finding it randomly inside the block data too
852 2014-07-02 16:02:34 <Luke-Jr> old old bug, they claimed they fixed it like a year ago..
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854 2014-07-02 16:02:49 <dhill> looks like ParseHex allows "0000 00" too
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856 2014-07-02 16:03:04 <Luke-Jr> >_<
857 2014-07-02 16:03:13 <Luke-Jr> dhill: it makes sense, for other things perhaps
858 2014-07-02 16:03:13 <sipa> ignoring whitespace makes sense, but other characters...
859 2014-07-02 16:03:39 <Luke-Jr> sipa: 0xa0 might be considered whitespace
860 2014-07-02 16:03:48 <Luke-Jr> sipa: U+00A0 is a no-break space
861 2014-07-02 16:04:05 <sipa> it's not utf8 for sure
862 2014-07-02 16:04:07 <dhill> encoding/hex: invalid byte: U+00EF 'ï'
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870 2014-07-02 16:14:29 <jcorgan> for the libsecp256k1 integration work that was recently merged, is it written anywhere how to enable it? the PR references an --enable option, but I don't see it in the configure.ac. also, it looks like the src/secp256k1 directory should hold the library source, but it's empty. do we do a git clone there, or is there some other way to populate it?
871 2014-07-02 16:15:09 <wumpus> jcorgan: it cannot be enabled yet, the part that has been merged is just the build system side
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873 2014-07-02 16:15:34 <jcorgan> ah, them I'm not crazy
874 2014-07-02 16:15:44 <jcorgan> *then
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892 2014-07-02 16:41:53 <dhill> hmm, i wonder if it is the json_spirit get_str that removes it
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927 2014-07-02 17:18:28 <davec_> we can certainlly massage it to work, but I'm not a fan of hiding bugs like that
928 2014-07-02 17:18:50 <davec_> personally, if you submit invalid hex, I think it should error (bitcoind too)
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930 2014-07-02 17:19:21 <davec_> chopping off an extra nibble or ignoring otherwise invalid chars is scary
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932 2014-07-02 17:21:57 <Luke-Jr> davec_: no reason to emulate bitcoind bugs, for sure
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934 2014-07-02 17:22:20 <dhill> so i guess an GH issue should be created
935 2014-07-02 17:23:19 <jrick> this probably explains why I decoding txs and blocks in a few places returns the json-rpc error code for invalid hex
936 2014-07-02 17:23:30 <jrick> instead of the one for a deserialization error
937 2014-07-02 17:23:45 <jrick> s/I //
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947 2014-07-02 17:34:13 <rutzap> Hello guys. I am currently undertaking a masters dissertation on the wonderful Bitcoin protocol and I was wondering if any of you can help me out with something
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950 2014-07-02 17:35:10 <rutzap> I need to run some analysis algorithms on the blockchain and I was wondering if you've got any tips on how I would be able to download the full transaction history and analyze it; i.e. what would be the most efficient way of doing this
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963 2014-07-02 17:52:57 <dsnrk> download?
964 2014-07-02 17:53:02 <dsnrk> you have it at your fingertips.
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969 2014-07-02 17:56:55 <AndyOfiesh> Luke-Jr I'm not having any luck sending my 5-of-5 P2SH/MultiSig spend to your pool. I've tried running bitcoin with connect=... in bitcoin.conf, and I put 0100000001a65.... into http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/pushtxn.php, and I googled and tried a few other things. I have never relayed a raw tx to a specific pool before. Can you please point me in the right direction?
970 2014-07-02 17:58:05 <Luke-Jr> AndyOfiesh: be sure you have sufficient fees
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986 2014-07-02 18:08:49 <AndyOfiesh> 0.0001 not enough?
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990 2014-07-02 18:10:26 <AndyOfiesh> with the bitcoin client I'm simply failing to connect to eligius, and with pushtxn.php it doesn't seem to parse my input correctly.
991 2014-07-02 18:11:28 <AndyOfiesh> Actually, I will try pushtxn.php with a 10x the fee anyway.
992 2014-07-02 18:13:25 <phillipsjk> A 5 of 5 script will be large IIRC. Fees are based on transaction size (disk space-wise)
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994 2014-07-02 18:16:32 <AndyOfiesh> It's ~1500 bytes
995 2014-07-02 18:16:54 <AndyOfiesh> .001 didn't work either
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998 2014-07-02 18:17:07 <wizkid057> unfortunately sendrawtransaction is not very verbose, so, pain to know why it fails
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1003 2014-07-02 18:17:30 <AndyOfiesh> every attempt yields the same int(-22) and "TX rejected"
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1005 2014-07-02 18:17:39 <milina> http://adf.ly/q1fx1
1006 2014-07-02 18:17:50 * milina http://adf.ly/q1fx1
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1008 2014-07-02 18:18:48 <kazcw> AndyOfiesh: -22 means your tx is not well-formed
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1011 2014-07-02 18:24:28 <dhill> andyOfiesh: RpcCommand: -22: TX rejected: transaction 771f00c75d0675304c6ce8ac37b60c951f9a49251a72f013dea0576ff95a809e in the pool already spends the same coins
1012 2014-07-02 18:24:58 <AndyOfiesh> I think that means one of my attempts worked, but not sure.
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1016 2014-07-02 18:28:01 <dhill> AndyOfiesh: http://gbpaste.org/MvM7y
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1023 2014-07-02 18:31:17 <AndyOfiesh> Looks like it worked then. I probably succeded early on didn't notice.
1024 2014-07-02 18:31:52 <frenchie> hi there, bitcoin-dev newb, just saw the bitcoinjs 1.0 release and decided to give it a try
1025 2014-07-02 18:32:13 <frenchie> i'm testing on testnet but having trouble push my tx
1026 2014-07-02 18:32:14 <AndyOfiesh> I confirmed this with a simple tx. I sent it twice and got a successful message, and then the same message I've been getting on subsequent attempts.
1027 2014-07-02 18:32:26 <frenchie> here is the code if anyone can help :) http://pastebin.com/vf4LwsT0
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1029 2014-07-02 18:34:43 <AndyOfiesh> Just got 1 confirmation. Thanks for the help. My plan is to add a plugin to Armory that can send non-standard transaction directly to Eligius.
1030 2014-07-02 18:34:55 <frenchie> i'm getting an error when trying to push on http://tbtc.blockr.io/tx/push
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1038 2014-07-02 18:41:35 <SomeoneWeird> frenchie: i think you have to specify you want testnet in the code
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1040 2014-07-02 18:42:48 <frenchie> i looked at the code and searched for where to inject bitcoin.networks.testnet
1041 2014-07-02 18:43:00 <frenchie> but could not find anything
1042 2014-07-02 18:43:20 <SomeoneWeird> weilu
1043 2014-07-02 18:43:36 <frenchie> their documentation is empty
1044 2014-07-02 18:43:43 <SomeoneWeird> yeah
1045 2014-07-02 18:43:58 <SomeoneWeird> wait for wei, she's probably sleeping atm though
1046 2014-07-02 18:44:03 <SomeoneWeird> have you been through the tests?
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1048 2014-07-02 18:44:45 <frenchie> no i'm gonna go through them now
1049 2014-07-02 18:44:58 <frenchie> thanks for your help
1050 2014-07-02 18:45:10 <frenchie> gotta go bye
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1052 2014-07-02 18:45:14 <SomeoneWeird> heh
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1054 2014-07-02 18:46:30 <skinnkavaj> Ghash at 44% here we go again
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1075 2014-07-02 19:08:21 <jgarzik> CTransactionSignatureSerializer is pretty, but makes grep'ing for SIGHASH_x more difficult
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1093 2014-07-02 19:23:52 <crunk-juice> hey folks, is it possible to create a "blank check" type of transaction. Where a sender can sign a transaction with an amount and then the recipient can be added later on?
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1095 2014-07-02 19:24:26 <gmaxwell> crunk-juice: #bitcoin
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1107 2014-07-02 19:44:22 <Zarutian> is it correctly understood by me that a transaction is basicly an array of input scripts and an array of output scripts, where amount of satoshis that go to each output are also specified? And no possibility to specify in an output script how many satoshis go to that output?
1108 2014-07-02 19:45:31 <gavinandresen> Zarutian: https://github.com/aantonop/bitcoinbook/blob/develop/ch05.asciidoc is a good explanation.
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1142 2014-07-02 20:18:21 <Forex> hi folks who here read this https://www.cryptolux.org/index.php?title=Bitcoin&oldid=1257 ?
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1144 2014-07-02 20:18:39 <Forex> some paper claiming it can de anon as many as 11% of all ips
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1172 2014-07-02 20:50:32 <skinnkavaj> http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/06/18/how-to-disincentivize-large-bitcoin-mining-pools/
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1174 2014-07-02 20:51:40 <gwillen> skinnkavaj: has serious issues
1175 2014-07-02 20:52:02 <gwillen> skinnkavaj: it makes mining pools impossible, which will lead to cloud-hosted mining being the only reasonable way to mine
1176 2014-07-02 20:52:08 <gwillen> thus driving centralization higher rather than lower
1177 2014-07-02 20:52:32 <skinnkavaj> gwillen: Why can you not host your own mining rigs yourself with ASICS?
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1179 2014-07-02 20:53:04 <gwillen> skinnkavaj: you can but you wouldn't for the same reason that people use mining pools right now
1180 2014-07-02 20:53:13 <gwillen> skinnkavaj: you'd never have enough power to find a block by yourself, the variance would be insanely high
1181 2014-07-02 20:53:24 <chax> Anyone have thoughts on what just happened with the block?
1182 2014-07-02 20:53:24 <gwillen> either you'd find your one block for the year and make lots of money, or you wouldn't and you'd make nothing
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1185 2014-07-02 20:55:29 <chax> Why did hashing drop
1186 2014-07-02 20:55:35 <chax> What is going on?
1187 2014-07-02 20:55:52 <sipa> ;;nethash
1188 2014-07-02 20:55:52 <gribble> 116066362.82
1189 2014-07-02 20:55:58 <sipa> doesn't seem to have dropped?
1190 2014-07-02 20:56:00 <jcorgan> chax: hashing didn't drop, and take it to #bitcoin
1191 2014-07-02 20:56:18 <jcorgan> (blockchain.info stats are borked)
1192 2014-07-02 20:56:48 <chax> Ok thanks
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1194 2014-07-02 20:57:34 <skinnkavaj> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/29okqz/troubling_block/
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1197 2014-07-02 20:58:42 <gmaxwell> Yes, blockchain.info is _frequently_ broken. Please don't bring reports of it being broken here.
1198 2014-07-02 20:59:22 <gmaxwell> Presumably they are reindexing their database to fix a security vulnerability that was reported to them a couple days ago.
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1205 2014-07-02 21:08:31 <skinnkavaj> gwillen: So bitcoin intends to survive on r/bitcoin being full of people threatening mining pool operators as soon as they are over 50%?
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1209 2014-07-02 21:12:16 <sipa> bitcoin will survive on whatever it must, or not
1210 2014-07-02 21:12:24 <sipa> but foolish proposals will not help
1211 2014-07-02 21:12:26 <skinnkavaj> Isn't it possible to limit pools to 1% hashrate and being cutoff if its over?
1212 2014-07-02 21:12:30 <sipa> no
1213 2014-07-02 21:13:09 <sipa> you cannot identify a pool if they don't want to be identified
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1216 2014-07-02 21:15:42 <skinnkavaj> sipa: Must be some way
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1234 2014-07-02 21:29:58 <Luke-Jr> ugh, finding a block on *any* pool triggers BFGMiner to getnewaddress :<
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1236 2014-07-02 21:31:18 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: ah p2pool uses the getaccountaddress which automatically switches after 'use'.
1237 2014-07-02 21:31:26 <gmaxwell> (and also caches it)
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1239 2014-07-02 21:32:11 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: BFGMiner does as well, in most cases. But when it finds a block, it wants to start mining on a new address before bitcoind has processed the last one⦠except I think that may be a stupid idea :|
1240 2014-07-02 21:32:50 <Luke-Jr> since now that I think of it, that means it's mining a stale block
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1289 2014-07-02 22:21:55 <Ademan> Has anyone built a "bitcoin node test suite" ? I'm imagining essentially a second node which has a small repertoire of transactions and blocks to test proper validation behavior, that the node is communicating correctly, etc
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1295 2014-07-02 22:27:21 <sipa> yes
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1297 2014-07-02 22:27:39 <sipa> BlueMatt did, and it's used for every pull request
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1301 2014-07-02 22:29:38 <skinnkavaj> hearn does big things sometimes
1302 2014-07-02 22:29:42 <skinnkavaj> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/29n8o0/100000_bounty_winner_announcement/
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1306 2014-07-02 22:36:20 <Ademan> sipa: I see RPC tests under qa/ in git, and I see a bunch of unit tests under src/test/ am I missing it?
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