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42 2014-07-17 00:53:12 <ebfull> is there any 'watchonly' support available in newer versions of bitcoind
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44 2014-07-17 00:53:49 <ebfull> or what is the generally recommended route for watching addresses (without using someone else's API)
45 2014-07-17 00:54:30 <kazcw> ebfull: watchonly is in the current source on git but isn't in any release yet
46 2014-07-17 00:54:52 <ebfull> it's in master?
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48 2014-07-17 00:54:59 <kazcw> yeah
49 2014-07-17 00:55:03 <ebfull> cool thank you :)
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107 2014-07-17 02:12:52 <jrick> can anyone explain how the bitcoind wallet rescan works? I'm looking at it in init.cpp and from what I can tell, it rescans through a fixed range of blocks, ending with the current tip, and when it has finished it marks the wallet synced with the chain tip again
108 2014-07-17 02:13:17 <jrick> so couldn't any new blocks that were attached, or any rescanned blocks that were reorged out, still be referenced by the wallet?
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112 2014-07-17 02:17:55 <jrick> I guess it may not be attaching stuff to the chain at this point
113 2014-07-17 02:21:08 <jrick> but importprivkey also has the option to rescan for imported addresses, and that definitely must run while blocks are being attached
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117 2014-07-17 02:23:58 <jgarzik> hrm
118 2014-07-17 02:24:07 <jgarzik> is pull tester dead?
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120 2014-07-17 02:24:37 <jgarzik> http://jenkins.bluematt.me/pull-tester/p4332_f41b55ece391549cf20ac29cbb69d8692b124cbf/test.log
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126 2014-07-17 02:44:50 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: yes, but my access to that server is borked, someone else needs to fix it
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241 2014-07-17 06:10:26 <jgarzik> sipa, gmaxwell, BlueMatt: RE pulltester, I am tempted to see if a useful framework within bitcoin/bitcoin.git can be found. it would be useful to me to run multi-node and chain reorg tests alongside existing in-tree tests, and not have to rely on jenkins.
242 2014-07-17 06:10:57 <jgarzik> Wonder what is the quickest way to spin up a TNIAB repeatedly
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244 2014-07-17 06:11:36 <jgarzik> sadly cp(1) exists but no cow(1) for building a base snapshot
245 2014-07-17 06:12:47 * jgarzik imagines a Fedora-mock-like setup, that can spin up N bitcoind's, and devise some sort of method for describing the more advanced multi-node tests
246 2014-07-17 06:12:51 <jgarzik> s/method/test language/
247 2014-07-17 06:14:25 <jgarzik> mock has a "prep" step that builds a .tar.gz containing a configured-and-ready-to-go build setup. then, unpack that cached filesystem, run tests (in our case), and destroy the entire subtree
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250 2014-07-17 06:15:06 <jgarzik> in our case, the prep step would build N testnet chains including indexes, to enable more rapid startup
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667 2014-07-17 13:13:32 <sipa> jgarzik: we already have comparuson tool integration, and use regtest instead of testnet. also see my latest issue which mentions multi node tests
668 2014-07-17 13:14:16 <jgarzik> sipa, where is comparison tool integration?
669 2014-07-17 13:14:33 <jgarzik> certainly regtest must be used.
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671 2014-07-17 13:15:14 <sipa> jgarzik: ./configure --with-comparisoin-tool=jarfile; make check
672 2014-07-17 13:16:44 * jgarzik reads
673 2014-07-17 13:16:54 <jgarzik> sipa, nice. I just have to hack it to remove evil Java.
674 2014-07-17 13:17:01 <sipa> lol
675 2014-07-17 13:17:06 <sipa> see my issue
676 2014-07-17 13:17:12 <jgarzik> sipa, #?
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678 2014-07-17 13:17:23 <sipa> dunno, i filed it yesterday
679 2014-07-17 13:17:49 <jgarzik> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/4545 found it
680 2014-07-17 13:17:55 <sipa> yup
681 2014-07-17 13:18:02 <jgarzik> /issues doesn't give a useful sort by default
682 2014-07-17 13:18:17 <jgarzik> PRs can be easily sorted by author, but not issues
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685 2014-07-17 13:19:26 <jgarzik> sipa, good point -- multi-version should be tested. I was thinking primarily about an extended "make check", with a harness built in C++ in-tree [no evil java]
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687 2014-07-17 13:21:00 <sipa> we already have python tests for testing rpc too
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690 2014-07-17 13:21:18 <jgarzik> yes, that was so nice to get added
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692 2014-07-17 13:21:58 <jgarzik> sipa, Related: do you have access to pulltester machine? pull tester is dead due to some out of space condition or somesuch.
693 2014-07-17 13:22:08 <sipa> i do
694 2014-07-17 13:22:12 <sipa> i'll have a look
695 2014-07-17 13:25:04 <wumpus> jgarzik: the way to get issues by author is to search for author:name in the issues
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699 2014-07-17 13:26:48 <sipa> jgarzik: i'm not a java fan either (though i wouldn't call it evil...), the bitcoinj based comparison tool has been incredibly useful (i've lost count how many bugs it found in my patches...)
700 2014-07-17 13:27:25 <sipa> but it's a nontrivial thing to make a more flexible one, without full node implementation behind it, and have it regain the same level of trust
701 2014-07-17 13:27:45 <jgarzik> sipa, a working comparison tool has great value, and the current java version fits that bill, yes.
702 2014-07-17 13:28:19 <jgarzik> sipa, I've long wanted a domain-specific language that permitted me to describe a test scenario. find a new scenario? just use the chain language procedure file.
703 2014-07-17 13:28:26 <jgarzik> s/use/update/
704 2014-07-17 13:28:28 <sipa> yup!
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713 2014-07-17 13:33:33 <jgarzik> sipa, I doubt my v1 will be quite that fancy, but that's the goal. At a minimum, it would need to do what bitcoinj tool does now.
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720 2014-07-17 13:38:32 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: I think cory was working on that
721 2014-07-17 13:38:49 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: and moving pull-tester to a real service now that those exist
722 2014-07-17 13:40:23 <jgarzik> BlueMatt, I want something in-tree with zero additional dependencies
723 2014-07-17 13:40:34 <jgarzik> BlueMatt, though that can be pursued in parallel, sure
724 2014-07-17 13:40:41 <BlueMatt> jgarzik: you can already run all of pull-tester with make check and a jar file....
725 2014-07-17 13:40:44 <BlueMatt> (locally)
726 2014-07-17 13:40:59 <jgarzik> BlueMatt, java+bitcoinj is an additional dependency
727 2014-07-17 13:41:06 <BlueMatt> ok, sure
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735 2014-07-17 13:48:32 <sipa> jgarzik: cory was working on moving to travis
736 2014-07-17 13:48:46 <sipa> i think that is orthogonal to what and how the tests are done
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738 2014-07-17 13:49:06 <jgarzik> yes
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746 2014-07-17 13:54:12 <wumpus> it's all relative; java is a good language for interoperability, and I suppose the node tester should be applicable to all node implementations, people testing other implementations may balk at having to compile C++
747 2014-07-17 13:55:22 <jgarzik> wumpus, I think the overall direction is towards programming-language-independent test descriptions
748 2014-07-17 13:55:25 <jgarzik> json etc.
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751 2014-07-17 13:58:14 <wumpus> for smaller unit tests json is great, but for higher-level tests having an executable that launches tests at an arbitrary node implementation through the network can also be useful, I thought that was the purpose of the comparison tool
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753 2014-07-17 14:00:18 <wumpus> anyhow, all kinds of different tests can exist in parallel, no problem
754 2014-07-17 14:00:24 <wumpus> more tests is better
755 2014-07-17 14:00:25 <jgarzik> wumpus, I think the tests can be described in a domain-specific language
756 2014-07-17 14:00:38 <jgarzik> java, C++, whomever can parse that and execute tests as they like
757 2014-07-17 14:00:52 <jgarzik> that's my long term goal anyway.
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764 2014-07-17 14:04:05 <sipa> jgarzik: that's great for unit tests, but not for network interaction tests
765 2014-07-17 14:04:33 <sipa> jgarzik: you don't want to reimplement the same test behavior, as it relies on reimplementing the exact network behaviour you want to test
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767 2014-07-17 14:05:23 <jgarzik> sure it doesn't cover all test categories
768 2014-07-17 14:05:43 <wumpus> sipa: right, that's what I was trying to say
769 2014-07-17 14:05:57 <sipa> bitcoinj based comparison was great _because_ it uses an alternate p2p implementation
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784 2014-07-17 14:25:53 <Guest43411> Will the miners tollerate a transaction with a lock time 72 hours into the future?
785 2014-07-17 14:26:28 <Guest43411> 48 hours?
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787 2014-07-17 14:27:33 <Guest43411> *tolerate*
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789 2014-07-17 14:28:09 <helo> Guest43411: a good question for #bitcoin
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804 2014-07-17 14:39:05 * jgarzik kicks github
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806 2014-07-17 14:39:39 <jgarzik> sipa, github is hiding the main.cpp changes in your clang PR. quite odd. " 751 additions, 967 deletions not shown" for src/main.cpp at https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/commit/ee6f59833b99184a267fff3cb6196ffd0603d5cc
807 2014-07-17 14:39:52 * jgarzik grabbed it via cmd line, but anyway, odd.
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811 2014-07-17 14:40:51 <sipa> jgarzik: you can click 'view'
812 2014-07-17 14:40:58 <sipa> which doesn't show the chances, only the result
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814 2014-07-17 14:41:12 <sipa> but for this case, it's useful to just look at the result
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816 2014-07-17 14:41:23 <sipa> and left/right, pfff :)
817 2014-07-17 14:42:09 <jgarzik> sipa, disagree. thought 'view' was unhelpful, wanted to see diff.
818 2014-07-17 14:42:12 <jgarzik> sipa, :)
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820 2014-07-17 14:42:36 <jgarzik> sipa, I'm used to ref& foo + void *foo, left & right
821 2014-07-17 14:42:44 <jgarzik> but thinking about it logically, I think it should cuddle with type.
822 2014-07-17 14:43:29 <sipa> <bikeshed> at least for *, it should logically stick to the variable
823 2014-07-17 14:43:42 <sipa> as "int *a" declares *a to be an int, not a to be and int*
824 2014-07-17 14:44:12 <sipa> for & it's less clear, as it's really just a modifier on the whole argument
825 2014-07-17 14:44:46 <jgarzik> sipa, nod. My rationale: type modifiers cuddle in the compiler. it changes the type. view it as sentence "pointer to int" just like you see "long int" or "unsigned int"
826 2014-07-17 14:44:55 <wumpus> logically, * should cuddle with the variable, for example in int *a, *b, *c;
827 2014-07-17 14:44:59 <sipa> yup
828 2014-07-17 14:45:11 <wumpus> int* a,b,c; would be misleading
829 2014-07-17 14:45:17 <sipa> yup!
830 2014-07-17 14:45:45 <jgarzik> for that shorthand, yes
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832 2014-07-17 14:45:49 <sipa> but i think this thinking about int *a can be interpreted as "elitist" or something, as it means you're forced to think how the language works rather than the approximation ("int* is the type of pointers to int")
833 2014-07-17 14:46:10 <sipa> so many styles use left alignment
834 2014-07-17 14:46:12 <wumpus> given that C type syntax is already crazy enough (the famous spiral), anything that helps deambiguate it is helpful
835 2014-07-17 14:46:54 <sipa> anyway, i'm in favor of right alignment, but expected that most would be against
836 2014-07-17 14:47:05 * jgarzik wonders if we can programmatically iterate through all settings, to see which disturbs the least amount of existing code
837 2014-07-17 14:47:06 <wumpus> anyhow, I don't care at all, toss a dice if you can't decide :p
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840 2014-07-17 14:47:13 <jgarzik> +1
841 2014-07-17 14:47:20 * sipa decides: right
842 2014-07-17 14:47:22 <jgarzik> just offering an opinion. not a strong opinion, here.
843 2014-07-17 14:47:27 <jgarzik> sipa, ok, decided.
844 2014-07-17 14:47:30 <jgarzik> moving on :)
845 2014-07-17 14:47:30 <jrick> var a, b, c *int
846 2014-07-17 14:47:31 <jrick> :p
847 2014-07-17 14:47:38 * wumpus hereby gives sipa the code-style-decider crown
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850 2014-07-17 14:48:32 <jrick> guess since people are around right now.. any ideas about my rescan question from last night? it doesn't look like bitcoind wallet handles additions or reorgs for the chain during a rescan
851 2014-07-17 14:48:41 <sipa> jgarzik: it does
852 2014-07-17 14:48:45 <sipa> eh jrick: it does
853 2014-07-17 14:48:55 <sipa> oh, *during* ?
854 2014-07-17 14:49:00 <jgarzik> looks like clang de-indents inside namespace{}
855 2014-07-17 14:49:03 <jgarzik> I suppose that's ok
856 2014-07-17 14:49:10 <sipa> no, rescan is at startup, before the node is running
857 2014-07-17 14:49:11 <wumpus> jgarzik: yes that's ok, we don't really want to ident namespaces
858 2014-07-17 14:49:23 <sipa> jgarzik: i can turn that on or off
859 2014-07-17 14:49:34 <jrick> sipa: er I meant to say, during block additions/reorgs, rescan doesn't handle the new or removed blocks
860 2014-07-17 14:49:34 <wumpus> sipa: except for on-the-fly rescans like when importing a private key
861 2014-07-17 14:49:41 <jrick> it rescans through what the best chain tip was at the time
862 2014-07-17 14:49:51 <jrick> and then marks the wallet synced with the best chain tip (which may have changed)
863 2014-07-17 14:49:54 <jgarzik> boost style seems to be "do not indent inside namespace{}"
864 2014-07-17 14:49:56 <wumpus> sipa: but we're holding all the locks all that time so not much can happen...
865 2014-07-17 14:49:57 <jgarzik> at least in headers
866 2014-07-17 14:50:08 <jrick> if I understand that code correctly
867 2014-07-17 14:50:10 <wumpus> jgarzik: it makes sense to not indent, at least for the outer namespace() directive
868 2014-07-17 14:50:11 <sipa> jrick: rescan and modification of the chain never happen simultaneously
869 2014-07-17 14:50:30 <wumpus> jgarzik: otherwise *all* the code will be indented a level for no good reason
870 2014-07-17 14:50:37 <jrick> sipa: not from init.cpp, but importprivkey has a rescan parameter, and that should be done with chain modifictions
871 2014-07-17 14:50:48 <sipa> jrick: it locks cs_main
872 2014-07-17 14:50:52 <sipa> i think?
873 2014-07-17 14:50:56 <wumpus> jgarzik: inner namespaces may be different
874 2014-07-17 14:51:01 <jgarzik> sipa, wumpus: pleasantly surprised with how little src/main.cpp code is disturbed
875 2014-07-17 14:51:03 <wumpus> sipa: yes it locks cs_main and the wallet
876 2014-07-17 14:51:10 <sipa> so, no problem
877 2014-07-17 14:51:22 <jrick> hmmm ok
878 2014-07-17 14:51:34 <sipa> we certainly want to push that lock down at some point, and it's a good observation that that means making the rescan code deal with concurrent modification
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881 2014-07-17 14:52:06 <wumpus> jgarzik: agreed
882 2014-07-17 14:52:15 <sipa> wumpus, jgarzik: so, rationale: in the future i'd like to see more use of namespaces... probably ones that span an entire file
883 2014-07-17 14:52:24 <jrick> ah I see the lock in import now
884 2014-07-17 14:52:26 <sipa> wumpus, jgarzik: for those cases, you do not want them to indent
885 2014-07-17 14:52:33 <wumpus> sipa: right
886 2014-07-17 14:52:38 <jgarzik> sipa, wumpus: ACK
887 2014-07-17 14:52:45 <jrick> so caller does importprivkey rescan, and now no more blocks are processed?
888 2014-07-17 14:52:50 <jrick> or what exactly gets locked there
889 2014-07-17 14:52:52 <sipa> jrick: indeed
890 2014-07-17 14:52:54 <jrick> :/
891 2014-07-17 14:53:12 <sipa> jrick: it's not a method intended to be regularly used
892 2014-07-17 14:53:27 <jgarzik> sipa, not just anon namespaces. I like boost's http::server::foo etc. much more natural class names, inside a sane namespace setup.
893 2014-07-17 14:53:54 <sipa> jgarzik: yes, anon namespaces are a different beast entirely
894 2014-07-17 14:54:00 <sipa> jgarzik: those rarely span much code
895 2014-07-17 14:54:03 <wumpus> importprivkey with a rescan is more like a 'oh shit' troubleshooting command then something to be used regularly
896 2014-07-17 14:55:08 <sipa> like pretty much all wallet interaction at the individual key level
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898 2014-07-17 14:56:02 <wumpus> jgarzik: I'm not a fan of deeply nested namespaces, it reminds me of java's com.bla.org.blabberfactories.blab, which makes it impossible to remember what was where, but use sanely namespaces are a good thiing
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900 2014-07-17 14:56:54 <sipa> jrick: on the other hand, we just want get rid of the wallet...
901 2014-07-17 14:57:08 <wumpus> yes the wallet should not run in the same process as the node anyway
902 2014-07-17 14:57:40 <sipa> well yes/get rid of/split off/
903 2014-07-17 14:57:59 <sipa> s/yes/yes \s/
904 2014-07-17 14:58:02 <jrick> right, well for btcd our wallet is separate but I noticed that during a rescan, it could race because of a reorg, and I wanted to see how bitcoind did it
905 2014-07-17 14:58:23 <wumpus> sipa: right - I don't really care which of those, although there must be a good migration path for current bitcoind/qt wallet users
906 2014-07-17 14:58:23 <sipa> if your wallet is separate, why does it matter?
907 2014-07-17 14:58:43 <jrick> it's not spv.. (although in hindsight it probably should be)
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911 2014-07-17 14:59:05 <sipa> yes :)
912 2014-07-17 14:59:12 <jrick> we have a rescan rpc extension for websocket connections
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914 2014-07-17 14:59:19 <wumpus> wallets should definitely be SPV
915 2014-07-17 14:59:40 <jrick> agree, and when things slow down I want to get it completely switched over
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917 2014-07-17 15:00:04 <sipa> which would also mean you can use your wallet with a bitcoind full node, eg
918 2014-07-17 15:00:09 <jrick> yep
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920 2014-07-17 15:00:53 <sipa> jgarzik: so, you're going to work on a comparison tool successor?
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953 2014-07-17 15:15:11 <andytoshi> it was mentioned on the mailing list that a duplicate coinbase tx has happened in the past. are we supposed to keep the first or the second in the utxo db?
954 2014-07-17 15:17:19 <wumpus> AFAIK the second overrides the first and the first becomes unspendable
955 2014-07-17 15:17:45 <andytoshi> oh, ok, i'm doing the opposite now. will fix that..
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957 2014-07-17 15:18:26 <wumpus> andytoshi: but the details should be in https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0030.mediawiki
958 2014-07-17 15:18:43 <andytoshi> thx wumpus
959 2014-07-17 15:19:03 <sipa> bip34 fixed it more thoroughly
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967 2014-07-17 15:23:50 <andytoshi> sipa: do you recall whether duplicate txids would overwrite the old utxos before these BIPs?
968 2014-07-17 15:24:21 <sipa> andytoshi: yes
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974 2014-07-17 15:27:57 <sipa> andytoshi: as in, yes, utxo's would be rewritten
975 2014-07-17 15:28:10 <andytoshi> ok, great, thx. i will change my code to do this
976 2014-07-17 15:28:31 <sipa> which is exactly the problem, if you have a non-fully-spent txid, which is spent in a side branch which is reorged away
977 2014-07-17 15:28:47 <andytoshi> yeah, i see. if it were the other way around there would not have been a problem
978 2014-07-17 15:28:55 <sipa> you now have a different utxo state for those who have not seen the branhc
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991 2014-07-17 15:39:58 <btc111> So, all the core devs are now breaking NY laws. As creators of 'virtual currency' you are now all required to be fingerprinted and pay $3000 for a bitcoin license. I wonder if the bitcoin foundation will stick up for you guys? probably not.
992 2014-07-17 15:40:06 <btc111> what a joke
993 2014-07-17 15:40:14 <wumpus> btc111: please, #bitcoin
994 2014-07-17 15:40:41 <btc111> wumpus: np, thought i'd let you guys know incase you haven't seen the news.
995 2014-07-17 15:40:50 <drizztbsd> FUD?
996 2014-07-17 15:40:50 <btc111> section 200.2n.5 http://www.dfs.ny.gov/about/press2014/pr1407171-vc.pdf
997 2014-07-17 15:41:01 <btc111> not FUD. read this. http://www.dfs.ny.gov/about/press2014/pr1407171-vc.pdf
998 2014-07-17 15:41:08 <sipa> as far as i know, i'm not subject to NY law
999 2014-07-17 15:41:10 <wumpus> I haven't, but I don't care, I don't leave Europe anyway
1000 2014-07-17 15:41:11 <sipa> now take it elsewhere
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1002 2014-07-17 15:42:54 <btc111> sipa, you should talk to a lawyer. this is not a joke. If you are breaking NY laws, the US can extradidte you from any country with a treaty with US
1003 2014-07-17 15:43:21 <btc111> I bet the bitcoin foundation won't even respond to this. what a joke.
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1006 2014-07-17 15:43:32 <sipa> duly noted.
1007 2014-07-17 15:44:29 <drizztbsd> it's still FUD, bitcoin exists before that law :)
1008 2014-07-17 15:44:47 <gmaxwell> drizztbsd: please don't respond to OT stuff.
1009 2014-07-17 15:44:52 <drizztbsd> ok
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1017 2014-07-17 16:00:12 <jgarzik> sipa, I would like to
1018 2014-07-17 16:00:27 <jgarzik> sipa, it's on the mile long list of other things I would like to do ;p
1019 2014-07-17 16:00:54 <jgarzik> sipa, including exploring my cheesy sidechain design & hacking moxie
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1125 2014-07-17 18:17:42 <andytoshi> i notice that the satoshi client explicitly does not respond to `getdata` requests for invalid blocks, as opposed to other inv tyes where it sends a `notfound`
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1127 2014-07-17 18:17:46 <andytoshi> why is this?
1128 2014-07-17 18:20:08 <andytoshi> the relevant code is `ProcessGetData` in main.cpp
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1146 2014-07-17 18:49:14 <kazcw> I don't think there is much reason to reply to a getdata for a block we don't have, we wouldn't have sent an inv so why would they getdata it from us, right? headers-first may change that though, since nodes will learn what blocks they want ahead of asking for them.
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1148 2014-07-17 18:53:22 <andytoshi> maybe we sent an inv, then later there is a reorg, and the node asks for the block again so that it can rewind its UTXO set
1149 2014-07-17 18:54:14 <kazcw> wouldn't we still have the block in that case?
1150 2014-07-17 18:54:38 <andytoshi> i think so, because bitcoind never prunes its blockchain..but i'd rather not depend on that behaviour
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1158 2014-07-17 19:05:41 <jgarzik> andytoshi, historically the behavior was "never respond"
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1161 2014-07-17 19:06:11 <jgarzik> andytoshi, thus the process of adding "reject" messages will cover some areas. areas not yet covered remain with historical behavior.
1162 2014-07-17 19:07:08 <sipa> getdata works for reorged blocks
1163 2014-07-17 19:07:17 <sipa> but i don't think we should guarantee that behaviour
1164 2014-07-17 19:07:58 <sipa> i guess it would make sense to add notfound for blocks, for consistency, but meh
1165 2014-07-17 19:08:19 <sipa> i sort of liked the old asynchronous message processing model, instead of the request-response model
1166 2014-07-17 19:08:27 <andytoshi> yeah, i am storing the last hundred blocks to do my own reorgs, but if that fails, i would've tried to bug the bitcoind peer (fingers crossed)
1167 2014-07-17 19:08:27 <sipa> it's much more easily cacheable
1168 2014-07-17 19:08:32 <andytoshi> but i can't do it because it'll hang the connection
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