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12 2014-07-28 00:22:11 <sipa> jgarzik: bitcoin-tx stripped is still 850 kB here, crazy
13 2014-07-28 00:22:31 <sipa> there's a ton of util code that's not all that generic really
14 2014-07-28 00:22:37 <gmaxwell> 0_o
15 2014-07-28 00:23:02 <sipa> as the script code isn't split between validation and signing, it does include a full script interpreter too...
16 2014-07-28 00:23:29 <sipa> which pulls in all hash algorithms
17 2014-07-28 00:24:13 <Luke-Jr> sipa: we should just make .so's and get it over with. we don't need to keep an ABI..
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19 2014-07-28 00:24:51 <sipa> Luke-Jr: i don't really care about the binary size itself; i'm surprised by how much code we're still depending on
20 2014-07-28 00:25:14 <Luke-Jr> sipa: did the linker remove unused code/
21 2014-07-28 00:25:16 <Luke-Jr> ?
22 2014-07-28 00:26:09 <sipa> i think our current library definitions for util and core are pretty well following dependency boundaries already
23 2014-07-28 00:26:14 <jgarzik> sipa, add -flto
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25 2014-07-28 00:26:45 <jgarzik> it will still be too-large, though, agreed on that point
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27 2014-07-28 00:29:09 <jgarzik> sipa, -ffunction-sections might help with C++ too
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29 2014-07-28 00:30:30 <sipa> jgarzik: same size
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31 2014-07-28 00:30:42 <sipa> 4 kB larger, actually
32 2014-07-28 00:31:17 <jgarzik> sipa, this is size(1) or ls(1) ? :)
33 2014-07-28 00:31:25 <sipa> ls
34 2014-07-28 00:31:28 <sipa> after strip
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40 2014-07-28 00:33:37 <sipa> 848 with flto + function sections
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42 2014-07-28 00:34:00 <jgarzik> huh
43 2014-07-28 00:34:09 <jgarzik> surprising
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46 2014-07-28 00:34:56 <sipa> flto may result in cross-object inlining, which increases size :)
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48 2014-07-28 00:35:21 <jgarzik> sipa, -Os
49 2014-07-28 00:35:34 <jgarzik> sipa, for linker and compiler invocation both
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51 2014-07-28 00:36:06 <jgarzik> sipa, and size(1) is always more accurate
52 2014-07-28 00:36:17 <sipa> how do i do that with ./configure?
53 2014-07-28 00:36:37 <sipa> ah, LDFLAGS
54 2014-07-28 00:36:58 <jgarzik> sipa, CXXFLAGS="-Os" LDFLAGS="-Os" ./configure
55 2014-07-28 00:36:59 <jgarzik> iirc
56 2014-07-28 00:37:34 * jgarzik is pretty brain dead after 8-hour-long meeting on satellites
57 2014-07-28 00:37:43 <Luke-Jr> usually the ./configure goes first?
58 2014-07-28 00:37:51 <Luke-Jr> eg ./configure CXXFLAGS="-Os" LDFLAGS="-Os"
59 2014-07-28 00:38:08 <jcorgan> jgarzik: i thought the first two hours were interesting :)
60 2014-07-28 00:38:33 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr, that's how you set environment variables before an invocation. the latter approach (configure SYM SYM) depends on the program taking some action with those arguments. not as reliable.
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62 2014-07-28 00:38:47 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr, FOO=BAR ./program
63 2014-07-28 00:38:52 <jgarzik> sets FOO=BAR in ./program's environment
64 2014-07-28 00:38:58 <sipa> ah, i didn't pass -flto to the linker of course
65 2014-07-28 00:39:03 <sipa> 590 kB
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67 2014-07-28 00:39:50 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: seems to me that's more likely than it reading the environment, but maybe both work
68 2014-07-28 00:40:24 <jgarzik> Luke-Jr, "FOO=BAR ./configure" always worked since day one. "./configure FOO=BAR" is new and doesn't work with all configure scripts
69 2014-07-28 00:41:05 <Luke-Jr> hm
70 2014-07-28 00:41:08 <sipa> -Os + lto + function sections: 492 kB
71 2014-07-28 00:41:28 <jgarzik> sipa, still seems large for what it does
72 2014-07-28 00:41:36 * jgarzik blames templates ;p
73 2014-07-28 00:42:24 * sipa blames including: hash function, script evaluation, rpc protocol (?!), netbase (!?!?), ...
74 2014-07-28 00:42:26 <berndj-blackout> jgarzik, FOO=BAR ./configure didn't/doesn't preserve the variable into config.status. whether you AC_SUBST([FOO]) also matters
75 2014-07-28 00:43:06 <jgarzik> -ffunction-sections permits splitting foo.o up into one section per function, as the name implies. which permits the linker to pick apart a .o and only use what is needed.
76 2014-07-28 00:43:15 <jgarzik> open question whether it works well/at all on C++
77 2014-07-28 00:44:17 <sipa> HMAC_SHA512 is included, which shouldn't be needed
78 2014-07-28 00:44:31 <sipa> it's only for bip32 style derivation, which is invoked from nowhere
79 2014-07-28 00:45:14 <sipa> huh
80 2014-07-28 00:45:25 <sipa> only the constructor and the finalizer are included, but not the ::Write method
81 2014-07-28 00:46:37 <sipa> crap, my internal clock is still on eastcoast time it seems :(
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88 2014-07-28 00:57:48 <sipa> jgarzik: stripped sizes of included .o files, sorted: bitcoin-tx 341kB, util 212kB, script 161kB, rpcprotocol 161kB, netbase 88kB, ...
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90 2014-07-28 00:58:30 <sipa> util should be broken up in much smaller pieces (most of which bitcoin-tx doesn't need), script needs to be broken up in script-core, script-eval and script-sign, ...
91 2014-07-28 00:58:37 <sipa> no idea what we need rpcprotocol for
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132 2014-07-28 02:05:30 <BlueMatt> sipa: oh, looks like no one pinged me and I entirely missed a release :(
133 2014-07-28 02:05:31 <BlueMatt> wow thats bad
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136 2014-07-28 02:09:09 <cfields> jgarzik: fyi, ./configure FOO=BAR is almost always preferred, as it is preserved between invocations
137 2014-07-28 02:10:17 <cfields> oh, heh, exactly what berndj-blackout said :)
138 2014-07-28 02:11:18 <cfields> jgarzik: also, ffunction-sections needs to be used with gc-sections, otherwise the extras won't be stripped
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157 2014-07-28 02:37:26 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: I may be remembering incorrectly, but I believe that was just a trivial respin for osx fixes, still probably good to catch up, but I don't think it matters.
158 2014-07-28 02:38:09 <BlueMatt> ok, well that makes me feel a bit better
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237 2014-07-28 04:38:51 <MBeth> hi. can someone tell me what's the point of the superfast bitcoin-only tor exit node? https://twitter.com/sigwinch/status/493541355709546496
238 2014-07-28 04:42:09 <gmaxwell> MBeth: appears to have no point; if you note: it doesn't have the exit flags, so tor nodes won't use it as an exit (I'm even unable to get tor here to manually exit via it). The traffic stats you're seeing also include relay bandwidth not exit bandwidth.
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240 2014-07-28 04:43:09 <gmaxwell> The system appears to be connecting out to many (all?) ipv4 reachable nodes and just listening without relaying transactions. It's lying about what software it's running, presumably to monitor transaction origins (similar to what bc.i doesâ perhaps its even operated by bc.i)
241 2014-07-28 04:44:01 <MBeth> hm, still very weird
242 2014-07-28 04:44:05 <MBeth> thank you!
243 2014-07-28 04:44:14 <gmaxwell> I'd guess the tor exitness is intended to monitor tor using bitcoin users too perhaps to intercept bitcoinj traffic, but its not working as an exit. Alternatively the running of an exit might be an intended cover for why its making so many outbound connections, but that cover fails because of the lack of an exit flag and the detectably weird behavior.
244 2014-07-28 04:44:45 <gmaxwell> It's not new that people have run spy nodes that attempt to monitor the origins of all transactions. amusingly, on my own systems I'd already iptables banned that subnet due to crappy behavior from it in the past.
245 2014-07-28 04:44:56 <MBeth> well my first assumption was that it is somehow designed to listen on darkmarket tx
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254 2014-07-28 04:54:28 <earlz> So, I'm looking at how to create a non-standard transaction with bitcoinjs-lib... anyone have any hints on how to go about that? I'm not seeing how to manually specify opcodes and such in a transaction using it
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256 2014-07-28 04:55:54 <MBeth> gmaxwell: thank you. I'm really just curious why someone would do this
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259 2014-07-28 04:56:52 <MBeth> the general weirdness of it, combined with the pulled blackhat talk would make for a wonderful conspiracy theory
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323 2014-07-28 06:52:12 <wumpus> BlueMatt: 0.9.2.1 you mean? that was released a few hours after 0.9.2, with a macosx font fix and a rare crash on exit fixed, no big deal
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361 2014-07-28 07:40:53 <SomeoneWeird> wumpus: people were complaining it wasn't up to date
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368 2014-07-28 07:48:19 <wumpus> people are always complaining
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371 2014-07-28 07:53:52 <SomeoneWeird> that they are
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387 2014-07-28 08:09:18 <jcorgan> wumpus: understand your comments on #4594--will update in the AM
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422 2014-07-28 08:51:28 <copain_reac> i'm having trouble building bitcoind on osx mavericks using brew
423 2014-07-28 08:51:43 <copain_reac> getting "./json/json_spirit_value.h:20:10: fatal error: 'boost/config.hpp' file not found"
424 2014-07-28 08:52:21 <copain_reac> despite boost being installed correctly with brew
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426 2014-07-28 08:53:35 <drizztbsd> copain_reac: set the correct -I
427 2014-07-28 08:54:14 <copain_reac> drizztbsd: i tried "make -I/usr/local/Cellar/boost/1.55.0_2"
428 2014-07-28 08:54:22 <copain_reac> didn't appear to help
429 2014-07-28 08:54:32 <drizztbsd> it's not the correct way
430 2014-07-28 08:54:35 <drizztbsd> see ./configure --help
431 2014-07-28 08:54:48 <copain_reac> oh
432 2014-07-28 08:54:55 <copain_reac> i'll try that tyvm
433 2014-07-28 08:54:57 <drizztbsd> hint: CXXFLAGS
434 2014-07-28 08:55:11 <drizztbsd> and LDFLAGS for the -L part
435 2014-07-28 08:55:41 <copain_reac> yeah, i tried with that too, my problem was that i wasn't passing the options at the correct moments :)
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471 2014-07-28 09:31:49 <copain_reac> so i tried this "BOOST_ROOT=/usr/local/Cellar/boost/1.55.0_2 ./configure --with-boost"
472 2014-07-28 09:31:52 <copain_reac> didn't work either
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486 2014-07-28 09:51:01 <mn3monic> hello, any advice to track confirmations on non-wallet transactions ?
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494 2014-07-28 10:04:09 <sipa> use a watch-only wallet
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655 2014-07-28 13:57:10 <maraoz> anyone got example tx input scripts for all types? (p2pkh, p2pk, p2sh, regular multisig).
656 2014-07-28 13:58:03 <helo> maraoz: i'd poke around the tests in src/test/
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661 2014-07-28 14:00:36 <maraoz> thx helo
662 2014-07-28 14:00:42 <helo> data/ in there has some json files with transaction data
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665 2014-07-28 14:02:13 <melvster> yay trezor has shipped http://satoshilabs.com/news/2014-07-28-trezor-shipped/
666 2014-07-28 14:02:22 <melvster> anyone here going to the launch party?
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669 2014-07-28 14:08:36 <hearn> go
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706 2014-07-28 14:41:04 <ribasushi> do bitcoin devs have a particular opinion on the gocoin client?
707 2014-07-28 14:41:19 <ribasushi> (if there is a forum thread I've missed - links welcome)
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736 2014-07-28 15:04:22 <ken01203> anyone not busy able to msg me, need some help with upgrading a btc clone wallet to 9.2.
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742 2014-07-28 15:12:51 <jcorgan> wumpus: updated #4594 from your feedback
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777 2014-07-28 15:52:52 <earlz> So, how does one construct a non-standard transaction, like a any-can-spend transaction ro some such?
778 2014-07-28 15:53:12 <earlz> I know the pool to broadcast it at, but not how to actually get the hex for it
779 2014-07-28 15:55:25 <sipa> use a hex editor? :0
780 2014-07-28 15:55:53 <sipa> (sorry, not a very useful answer, but you'll need some tool for building transactions, and if they're sufficiently non-standard, you'll likely need to do it manually entirely)
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783 2014-07-28 15:57:36 <earlz> is there no library to help construct them? Like to specify opcodes to put in and all?
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788 2014-07-28 16:00:03 <jrick> http://godoc.org/github.com/conformal/btcscript#ScriptBuilder will let you build the scripts, and then it's just adding them to inputs or outputs to the tx you're creating
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791 2014-07-28 16:01:44 <earlz> go? odd lol
792 2014-07-28 16:01:55 <earlz> guess it's an excuse to learn some of it
793 2014-07-28 16:02:18 <sipa> i'm sure BitcoinJ has something similar
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795 2014-07-28 16:02:26 <jrick> yeah wouldn't surprise me
796 2014-07-28 16:02:47 <sipa> and there's python libraries for sure too
797 2014-07-28 16:03:16 <sipa> bitcoin core will soon have a bitcoin-tx tool which can do some transaction building
798 2014-07-28 16:03:45 <drizztbsd> sipa: why? :P
799 2014-07-28 16:04:03 <sipa> mostly as an exercise to modularize our code
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801 2014-07-28 16:05:48 <earlz> sipa: is there any in-progress code for that?
802 2014-07-28 16:06:04 <sipa> yes, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4332
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804 2014-07-28 16:06:28 <earlz> it'd be nice if signing was easier than "just follow this 19 step guide" lol
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806 2014-07-28 16:07:05 <sipa> bitcoin-tx can sign
807 2014-07-28 16:07:15 <sipa> but only if it recognizes the script, obviously
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809 2014-07-28 16:07:57 <earlz> yea, that still doesn't seem like it'll allow you to use op codes without looking up the hex for it
810 2014-07-28 16:08:02 <jrick> why does a tx creation tool care about the network?
811 2014-07-28 16:08:03 <earlz> need like a script assembler heh
812 2014-07-28 16:08:20 <sipa> jrick: it doesn't?
813 2014-07-28 16:08:20 <sipa> earlz: it has a script assembler
814 2014-07-28 16:08:26 <jrick> sipa: that tool in the pr has -regtest and -testnet options
815 2014-07-28 16:08:31 <sipa> jrick: ah, for addresses
816 2014-07-28 16:09:07 <jrick> I suppose, but you could gather the intended network from just the address
817 2014-07-28 16:09:15 <jrick> and bail if you start crossing networks
818 2014-07-28 16:09:27 <sipa> true, though the base libraries don't work that way
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821 2014-07-28 16:09:38 <sipa> but yes, it wouldn't be too hard
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823 2014-07-28 16:09:47 <davec__> blows me away some people still think Go is "odd". Everything indicates it is steadily replacing Python. Ohoh shows it is now over 10% of all new open source projets, etc.
824 2014-07-28 16:09:59 <wumpus> hearn: pong
825 2014-07-28 16:09:59 <davec__> Ohloh*
826 2014-07-28 16:10:30 <wumpus> jcorgan: great! thanks for reviving the zeromq work
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828 2014-07-28 16:10:41 <wumpus> davec__: it is odd, but so is c++
829 2014-07-28 16:10:46 <drizztbsd> zeromq? for what?
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833 2014-07-28 16:12:03 <wumpus> drizztbsd: notification of block/transactions
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836 2014-07-28 16:13:19 <jcorgan> PR #4594 adds publication of validated blocks and transactions over a ZMQ PUB socket
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840 2014-07-28 16:16:31 <jcorgan> regarding the zmq dependency, i'll make it so that 1) if libzmq-dev is not detected, the feature is disabled, 2) have a --disable-zmq to manually disable it, and 3) all conditionalized code would be isolated to zmqports.cpp.
841 2014-07-28 16:16:44 <wumpus> jcorgan: ACK
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844 2014-07-28 16:17:36 <drizztbsd> we should remove bdb dependence :P
845 2014-07-28 16:17:46 <sipa> there's --disable-wallet for that
846 2014-07-28 16:17:47 <wumpus> drizztbsd: try configure --disable-wallet
847 2014-07-28 16:17:58 <wumpus> jcorgan: I'm thinking it should be with[out]-zeromq
848 2014-07-28 16:18:00 <drizztbsd> ok, but you don't support wallet.dat
849 2014-07-28 16:18:11 <wumpus> jcorgan: as that's usually used for switching on/off usage of libraries
850 2014-07-28 16:18:15 <sipa> wallets are highly overrated anyway
851 2014-07-28 16:18:30 <wumpus> then use an external wallet
852 2014-07-28 16:18:42 <jcorgan> wumpus: sure. i'll have to bone up on my autotools though :)
853 2014-07-28 16:18:57 <drizztbsd> what is the utility of bitcoin-core without wallet?
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856 2014-07-28 16:19:18 <sipa> drizztbsd: core network router
857 2014-07-28 16:19:24 <drizztbsd> oh ok, only p2p
858 2014-07-28 16:19:27 <jcorgan> a trusted source for blockchain data?
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860 2014-07-28 16:19:46 <sipa> p2p and rpc
861 2014-07-28 16:19:56 <jcorgan> (and now zmq :)
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863 2014-07-28 16:20:19 <sipa> imho, that should be an external program as well
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865 2014-07-28 16:20:34 <sipa> but let's not block useful optional functionality right now because of that wish
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872 2014-07-28 16:25:22 <wumpus> jcorgan: well IMO zeromq is the best tool for this job, you could do other things like add a listen socket that publishes events in some format, or websocket, but zeromq is quickly becoming a standard for low-level notification (and all those other things could be built on top)
873 2014-07-28 16:27:44 <home_jg> <jcorgan> regarding the zmq dependency, i'll make it so that 1) if libzmq-dev is not detected, the feature is disabled, 2) have a --disable-zmq to manually disable it, and 3) all conditionalized code would be isolated to zmqports.cpp.
874 2014-07-28 16:27:47 <home_jg> << that's fine
875 2014-07-28 16:28:04 <wumpus> drizztbsd: it provides some extra security for SPV wallets that connect to it, for example your own node won't lie by omission :)
876 2014-07-28 16:28:25 <home_jg> wumpus, sipa: I just disagree with situations that obviously create bitrot. Signals and conditional linking do not contribute to bitrot, as the code is always built [if the lib is present on system] by default.
877 2014-07-28 16:28:37 <home_jg> (and obviously create ugly code, like ifdefs)
878 2014-07-28 16:28:58 <sipa> home_jg: i agree, but i find having bitcoin core be low-dependecy more important
879 2014-07-28 16:28:59 <home_jg> ENABLE_WALLET is really our only ugly-yet-unavoidable ifdef. Not concerned that bitrot will occur there, as long as Bitcoin-Qt remains alive etc.
880 2014-07-28 16:29:15 <wumpus> home_jg: IMO your viewpoint on this is too extreme. Obviousl I agree that the code shouldn't be full of levels of ifdefs
881 2014-07-28 16:29:24 <home_jg> sipa, optional dependencies are fine
882 2014-07-28 16:29:30 <home_jg> wumpus, what specifically is too extreme?
883 2014-07-28 16:29:40 <sipa> i don't understand you standpoint in that case
884 2014-07-28 16:29:40 <home_jg> sipa, ie. miniupnp etc.
885 2014-07-28 16:29:53 <sipa> optional dependencies imply not-always-compiled code
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887 2014-07-28 16:31:36 <home_jg> sipa, yes. enabling by default is sufficient, provided that some other bitcoin devs have zmq-dev pkg on their system.
888 2014-07-28 16:32:21 <wumpus> home_jg: I've tried to reduce #ifdef WALLET by a lot, there's still some places it is required, for example RPC calls that act differently depending on whether the wallet is enabled or not
889 2014-07-28 16:32:30 <wumpus> home_jg: over time we need to split those up
890 2014-07-28 16:33:10 <home_jg> wumpus, agree, though in general that conditional compilation is the lowest priority [for the reason that nearly all the main devs do compile the wallet code]
891 2014-07-28 16:33:10 <gmaxwell> I'm generally not a fan of code which silently compiles in different ways which result in functional differences. "Why isn't X workting?" "Oh, you need to start over".
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893 2014-07-28 16:33:47 <wumpus> home_jg: I use builds with and without wallet in different places
894 2014-07-28 16:34:10 <sipa> home_jg: i always use --disable-wallet :)
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896 2014-07-28 16:34:11 <home_jg> wumpus, nod. that is precisely why it is low priority.
897 2014-07-28 16:34:13 <gmaxwell> (for ZMQ it's probably the least of all evils; ... but e.g. we should never have 'library' features in our own libraries where the library's user visible features are based on compiletime detection roulette)
898 2014-07-28 16:34:18 <drizztbsd> wumpus: for electrum too?
899 2014-07-28 16:34:39 <sipa> drizztbsd: if they want to
900 2014-07-28 16:34:43 <home_jg> gmaxwell, sure. But IME the outcome is -worse- if the alternative is simply long lived, rarely compiled code buried inside #ifdef
901 2014-07-28 16:34:52 <wumpus> home_jg: the parts of AppInit2() that depend on ENABLE_WALLET should ideally be split off to functions that are no-ops with wallet disabled, I think it's the worst offender
902 2014-07-28 16:35:00 <home_jg> signals are a fine solution to the problem
903 2014-07-28 16:35:04 <home_jg> wrappers are not the only solution
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905 2014-07-28 16:35:24 <gmaxwell> home_jg: Right, though in the long term, perhaps we'll just take ZMQ as a dependency.
906 2014-07-28 16:35:35 <sipa> home_jg: what we see with -DDEBUG_LOCKORDER for example...
907 2014-07-28 16:35:37 <home_jg> optional dependency, like miniupnp
908 2014-07-28 16:36:16 <sipa> while we're at it, maybe deprecate -blocknotify etc when ZMQ is in, and provide a python tool that can run commands based on these...
909 2014-07-28 16:36:19 <home_jg> sipa, that's one reason why the kernel went to runtime code rewriting. you can adjust lock behavior at boot in modern kernels.
910 2014-07-28 16:36:31 <gmaxwell> sipa: yea, my thoughts too. Eventually ZMQ could replace that.
911 2014-07-28 16:36:40 <home_jg> sipa, in general, "sockets > executing a program"
912 2014-07-28 16:36:46 <sipa> oh i fully agree
913 2014-07-28 16:36:47 <home_jg> no forking for network notifications
914 2014-07-28 16:36:56 <home_jg> N listeners
915 2014-07-28 16:37:13 <gmaxwell> (if you note, I expressed horror on the introduction of those forking things)
916 2014-07-28 16:37:24 <wumpus> yes, I agree, all the -notifies should be replaced by ZMQ
917 2014-07-28 16:37:29 <gmaxwell> (esp wallet notify, block seemed, "confined" enough)
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919 2014-07-28 16:37:40 <home_jg> exec sucks, ZMQ is good
920 2014-07-28 16:37:46 <home_jg> unclear is ZMQ is best path
921 2014-07-28 16:38:02 <home_jg> good as option; as sole path forward?
922 2014-07-28 16:38:04 <gmaxwell> so in any case, I think auto is fine now, but as a direction it should move towards mandatory assuming that zmq support matures and is widely used.
923 2014-07-28 16:38:12 <wumpus> I'd also like to allow command submission by zmq at some point, instead of through HTTP
924 2014-07-28 16:38:19 <home_jg> gmaxwell, zmq low level protocol still sucks ;p
925 2014-07-28 16:38:22 <wumpus> but it obviously needs to be authenticated then
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927 2014-07-28 16:38:34 <home_jg> do _not_ use ZMQ for anything non-public
928 2014-07-28 16:38:34 <gmaxwell> because compile-time-feature-roulette is bad, but less bad than untested code.
929 2014-07-28 16:38:51 <home_jg> if you want to add authentication, don't use ZMQ
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931 2014-07-28 16:39:14 <wumpus> ok, never mind then
932 2014-07-28 16:39:19 <wumpus> only use it for notification
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934 2014-07-28 16:39:43 <home_jg> yah, not security. blockchain/tx/etc. notification, one-to-many, it's great
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936 2014-07-28 16:40:10 <gmaxwell> home_jg: would it be better if later versions of ZMQ added reasonable auth? (I have no opinion on ZMQ, beyond past expierence that toolkits for things like this are usually awfulâ but also that -notify is horiffic)
937 2014-07-28 16:40:29 <wumpus> well at least zmq is standardized
938 2014-07-28 16:40:30 <home_jg> gmaxwell, you have to rev the low level protocol
939 2014-07-28 16:40:40 <home_jg> analogy: hard fork
940 2014-07-28 16:40:43 <wumpus> I would be against rolling anything ourselves here
941 2014-07-28 16:40:48 <sipa> i thought authentication was an explicit non-goal for zm
942 2014-07-28 16:40:50 <sipa> i thought authentication was an explicit non-goal for zmq
943 2014-07-28 16:41:00 <gmaxwell> :(
944 2014-07-28 16:41:24 <gmaxwell> wumpus: I think its standardized in the sense of widely used and compatible with itself.
945 2014-07-28 16:41:44 <wumpus> there's this curvecp stuff for zmq that implements authentication AFAIK
946 2014-07-28 16:41:48 <home_jg> Well, if not rev the low level protocol, you can treat it as an IP tunnel
947 2014-07-28 16:42:04 <wumpus> gmaxwell: yes
948 2014-07-28 16:42:05 <home_jg> add your own message ordering guarantees, security guarantees, MITM guarantees
949 2014-07-28 16:42:07 <jcorgan> sipa: iirc, zmq 4.x is adding authentication, but i say we avoid all of that
950 2014-07-28 16:42:10 <gmaxwell> I'd sure love for there to be a faster interface than the rpc for things like getblock / getrawtransaction / etc. right now collecting data from the blockchain via rpc is painfully slow.
951 2014-07-28 16:42:21 <home_jg> yeah, rpc sucks for binary
952 2014-07-28 16:42:27 <wumpus> gmaxwell: IMO zeromq would be great for that
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955 2014-07-28 16:42:40 <wumpus> also, requesting that data doesn't even need to be authenticated
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957 2014-07-28 16:42:55 <gmaxwell> It's true, just not stuff you normally want to serve to the internet.
958 2014-07-28 16:42:59 <wumpus> getblock gettransaction etc is public information
959 2014-07-28 16:43:06 <home_jg> I think zmq is fine for public information
960 2014-07-28 16:43:07 <wumpus> you don't want to serve zeromq to the internet
961 2014-07-28 16:43:17 <wumpus> isn't it local-only by default?
962 2014-07-28 16:43:30 <jcorgan> it's whatever you specify
963 2014-07-28 16:43:44 <jcorgan> default is not to listen at all
964 2014-07-28 16:44:14 <wumpus> well having an option to serve over the network is fine, for people with a local network that know what they're doing
965 2014-07-28 16:44:21 <gmaxwell> whats general software security like for ZMQ? if I give a malicious party access and they send random bits in, are they going to scribble over your process ram?
966 2014-07-28 16:44:27 <jcorgan> let me get this current stuff reworked as discussed, so people can actually test it
967 2014-07-28 16:44:34 <wumpus> but an open port over the internet is not good w/ ZMQ
968 2014-07-28 16:44:35 <jcorgan> gmaxwell: no
969 2014-07-28 16:44:48 <home_jg> <jcorgan> regarding the zmq dependency, i'll make it so that 1) if libzmq-dev is not detected, the feature is disabled, 2) have a --disable-zmq to manually disable it, and 3) all conditionalized code would be isolated to zmqports.cpp.
970 2014-07-28 16:44:49 <home_jg> ACK
971 2014-07-28 16:44:53 <wumpus> gmaxwell: well last time I read into ZMQ it certainly wasn't battle-hardened enough to serve stuff over the internet
972 2014-07-28 16:45:03 <gmaxwell> jcorgan: ± bugs of course, okay, good to hear that its at least not 'intentionally' insecure.
973 2014-07-28 16:45:12 <home_jg> jcorgan, signals are a good approach, as sipa indicated.
974 2014-07-28 16:45:19 <home_jg> signals gives us the ability to make the core code generic
975 2014-07-28 16:45:20 <jcorgan> one step at a time
976 2014-07-28 16:45:35 <home_jg> and hook in specialized features (-blocknotify | 0mq)
977 2014-07-28 16:45:35 <wumpus> I do think we should choose one (out-of-process) notification mechanism
978 2014-07-28 16:46:07 <jcorgan> we're over complicating this, i think
979 2014-07-28 16:46:21 <home_jg> with signals, who cares? You mark the events in core code, then let users write plugins.
980 2014-07-28 16:46:26 <wumpus> the others should be built on top, with external processe that adapt the event from one type to another
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984 2014-07-28 16:47:19 <home_jg> with signals, you can (a) build in a home grown mechanism, (b) use existing -blocknotify for compatibility, (c) use 0mq, ...
985 2014-07-28 16:47:47 <home_jg> wean users off of -blocknotify, then delete it, without touching core code.
986 2014-07-28 16:47:48 <gmaxwell> home_jg: your choice of relatively untested bad solutions! :P
987 2014-07-28 16:48:00 <gmaxwell> but I do like it as a migration out path, I suppose.
988 2014-07-28 16:48:31 <home_jg> I do wonder how much call there is for notifications?
989 2014-07-28 16:48:38 <home_jg> Many people seem to do the half-a-node thing.
990 2014-07-28 16:49:02 <home_jg> ie. you already have a notification socket, if you simply connect to port 8333
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992 2014-07-28 16:49:42 <home_jg> also, related, notification interface in general does not tell you much if anything about a reorg
993 2014-07-28 16:50:05 <home_jg> every user of the interface must include code to divine the existence of a reorg
994 2014-07-28 16:50:23 <gmaxwell> home_jg: well, it's used to trigger things like listsinceblock.
995 2014-07-28 16:50:26 <jcorgan> so we can define and add an event topic
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998 2014-07-28 16:51:37 <jcorgan> but if i rework the PR to deal with the dependency handling, can we get this "simplest thing that could possibly work" merged before we design ourselves into something that won't happen for a long time?
999 2014-07-28 16:52:24 <home_jg> jcorgan, sure
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1001 2014-07-28 16:52:59 <home_jg> I think the main change I want right now (which need not block the 0mq PR) is specifically to turn this into a signal,
1002 2014-07-28 16:53:12 <home_jg> std::string strCmd = GetArg("-blocknotify", "");
1003 2014-07-28 16:53:12 <home_jg> if (!strCmd.empty()) {
1004 2014-07-28 16:53:12 <home_jg> boost::replace_all(strCmd, "%s", hashNewTip.GetHex());
1005 2014-07-28 16:53:12 <home_jg> boost::thread t(runCommand, strCmd); // thread runs free
1006 2014-07-28 16:53:35 <home_jg> and get that out of main.cpp
1007 2014-07-28 16:54:30 <home_jg> hmmmmmmm
1008 2014-07-28 16:54:41 <jcorgan> with the zmq port, you just connect and subscribe to the "BLK" topic, and get them sent to you
1009 2014-07-28 16:54:42 <home_jg> 0mq v4 has a new wire level protocol to go along with the crypto.
1010 2014-07-28 16:54:56 <home_jg> promising
1011 2014-07-28 16:55:00 <wumpus> jcorgan: just go on with this, we're talking about the future not now
1012 2014-07-28 16:55:08 <jcorgan> thanks :)
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1014 2014-07-28 16:55:11 <wumpus> home_jg: yep, based on curvecp afaik
1015 2014-07-28 16:55:22 <wumpus> home_jg: agree on replacing that with a signal
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1017 2014-07-28 16:55:49 <gmaxwell> "oh god, another cryptographic protocol to review ... otoh, thank god its not TLS"
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1020 2014-07-28 16:57:08 <wumpus> home_jg: and yes - better notification on reorgs would be great
1021 2014-07-28 16:57:21 <wumpus> with zmq it's easy to add topics
1022 2014-07-28 16:57:41 <gmaxwell> jcorgan: will you be checking in a simple python example listener too?
1023 2014-07-28 16:57:55 <wumpus> gmaxwell: yes, he has one in contrib/...
1024 2014-07-28 16:58:28 <home_jg> The main issue there is trying to figure out the best data to return, in the event of a reorg. I like the idea of providing "connect" and "disconnect" stats, ie. return the number of blocks disconnected + connected since last -blocknotify.
1025 2014-07-28 16:58:34 <gmaxwell> Is there a way for something that has RPC access to find out where the ZMQ port is?
1026 2014-07-28 16:58:43 <jcorgan> no, good idea
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1029 2014-07-28 16:59:16 <gmaxwell> (I'm thinking of what the bitcoind-ncurses tool would want)
1030 2014-07-28 16:59:44 <home_jg> or return the number of block hashes "impacted" since last -blocknotify, thereby returning the block hashes from the last branchpoint, for both weak and strong chains
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1032 2014-07-28 17:00:19 <wumpus> home_jg: new head hash/height, and hash/height of highest block shared between old and new states
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1035 2014-07-28 17:01:08 <home_jg> hmm, I suppose returning the block header versus just the block hash would give you reorg detection too
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1038 2014-07-28 17:01:34 <home_jg> hmm, you'll have that anyway, if you query the block after getting the hash. might just save one RTT.
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1040 2014-07-28 17:03:00 <home_jg> jcorgan, +1 re discovering zmq port. please don't add it to "getinfo" kitchen sink though. I think there is a "getnetworkinfo" or somesuch.
1041 2014-07-28 17:03:17 <jcorgan> just let me know what you want
1042 2014-07-28 17:05:07 <gmaxwell> We should probably add a comment to getinfo source to recommend people avoid adding things there.
1043 2014-07-28 17:05:48 <jcorgan> btw, the zmq endpoint specifier is actually a URL like string, e.g., tcp://127.0.0.1:28322, and doesn't need to be a TCP port, but could also be an IPC transport or "in process shared memory" transport. So I'll just return the string as is in the RPC call.
1044 2014-07-28 17:06:18 <gmaxwell> jcorgan: yea, ZMQ "url" sounds right to me.
1045 2014-07-28 17:06:53 <jcorgan> -zmqpub=FOO => return "FOO" in RPC
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1047 2014-07-28 17:07:55 <wumpus> jcorgan: just use the opaque identifier that zmq uses
1048 2014-07-28 17:08:03 <jcorgan> right
1049 2014-07-28 17:08:46 <wumpus> gmaxwell: yes, getinfo is locked
1050 2014-07-28 17:09:24 <wumpus> at this point until unspecified future it exists just for backwards compatiblity
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1052 2014-07-28 17:11:48 <wumpus> adding it to getnetworkinfo is OK with me
1053 2014-07-28 17:12:36 <wumpus> although it is stretching 'network' a bit far, I don't know where to add it otherwise, it's really meta-information about notifications
1054 2014-07-28 17:12:38 <user_asdasd> anyone not busy able to msg me, need some help with upgrading a btc clone wallet to 9.2. prolbably a simple question to some
1055 2014-07-28 17:13:21 <wumpus> user_asdasd: we don't support altcoins here
1056 2014-07-28 17:13:22 <gmaxwell> wumpus: or just "getzmqurl" no need to batch it in with other things.
1057 2014-07-28 17:13:28 <wumpus> gmaxwell: +1
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1059 2014-07-28 17:13:37 <wumpus> gmaxwell: that may be best
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1062 2014-07-28 17:14:50 <jcorgan> ACK
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1114 2014-07-28 18:06:23 <LooseLarry> hi- is there a way to programmatically remove a public key from a wallet ?
1115 2014-07-28 18:06:27 <LooseLarry> I have too many
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1117 2014-07-28 18:06:39 <LooseLarry> I use 'getnewaddress' to create them programmatically
1118 2014-07-28 18:07:12 <midnightmagic> LooseLarry: #bitcoin is probably a better place to ask about that
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1120 2014-07-28 18:07:24 <LooseLarry> oh ? ok, I figured 'dev'
1121 2014-07-28 18:07:32 <LooseLarry> since it's a wallet communication RPC issue
1122 2014-07-28 18:07:55 <jgarzik> wumpus, sipa: should uiInterface be used for -blocknotify boost signal?
1123 2014-07-28 18:08:00 * jgarzik guesses "no"
1124 2014-07-28 18:08:33 <sipa> i think uiInterface should turn into whatever will get used for blocknotify :)
1125 2014-07-28 18:08:49 <jgarzik> ok
1126 2014-07-28 18:08:52 <jgarzik> a generic signal bus
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1128 2014-07-28 18:09:05 <sipa> net has something like what i mean already
1129 2014-07-28 18:09:21 <jgarzik> yeah, saw that
1130 2014-07-28 18:09:44 <sipa> CNodeSignals
1131 2014-07-28 18:09:53 <sipa> so right now, main really acts as a client to net, which is nice
1132 2014-07-28 18:10:10 <sipa> uiInterface/notify stuff should become clients of an interface exposed by main, i guess
1133 2014-07-28 18:10:21 <jgarzik> sipa, nod. that was really the genesis of my question. we have uiinterface and net in separate universes
1134 2014-07-28 18:10:31 <jgarzik> sipa, do I create a third universe, or add to an existing one
1135 2014-07-28 18:10:48 <sipa> i guess add one
1136 2014-07-28 18:10:57 <sipa> and then perhaps convert uiInterface's things to use that one too
1137 2014-07-28 18:11:39 <jgarzik> it feels more like uiInterface
1138 2014-07-28 18:11:53 <jgarzik> as uiInterface feels like "listen for program-wide notifications"
1139 2014-07-28 18:12:11 <jgarzik> so add to uiInterface, then rename uiInterface to remove the "ui" :)
1140 2014-07-28 18:12:17 * jgarzik ponders
1141 2014-07-28 18:12:48 <sipa> ok, just add stuff to uiInterface for now then :)
1142 2014-07-28 18:12:51 <sipa> and then later convert it
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1146 2014-07-28 18:16:59 <wumpus> ACK on renaming uiinterface
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1148 2014-07-28 18:18:17 <wumpus> it would be nicer/more localized to have the signals on an object, like with the wallet, but these notifications are global so using uiInterface is fine
1149 2014-07-28 18:19:55 <jcorgan> having autotools PTSD. that is all.
1150 2014-07-28 18:20:02 <wumpus> we already have a NotifyBlocksChanged on uiInterface
1151 2014-07-28 18:20:27 <wumpus> jcorgan: heh, I always get into fights with autotools too
1152 2014-07-28 18:20:49 <wumpus> luckily we have cfields for that now :)
1153 2014-07-28 18:21:07 <sipa> you have fights with cfields now instead? :p
1154 2014-07-28 18:21:08 <cfields> eh?
1155 2014-07-28 18:21:09 <sipa> *ducks*
1156 2014-07-28 18:21:55 <cfields> somebody wants a fight? i'm always up for those :)
1157 2014-07-28 18:21:58 <wumpus> lol
1158 2014-07-28 18:22:19 <gmaxwell> "no one understands cfields, not even his authors" "whenever there are problems with cfields you just poke at him until it works, and don't worry too much about what you actually changed"
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1160 2014-07-28 18:22:38 <sipa> we should upgrade to c++fields
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1164 2014-07-28 18:23:37 <cfields> heh, my world is a hellish one that makes no sense. why would you want to come play in it?
1165 2014-07-28 18:23:59 <jgarzik> wumpus, NotifyBlocksChanged is insufficient
1166 2014-07-28 18:24:03 <jgarzik> (and, I noted, unused!)
1167 2014-07-28 18:24:12 <wumpus> jgarzik: why? it's invoked in the same place
1168 2014-07-28 18:24:19 <jgarzik> wumpus, no, different conditions
1169 2014-07-28 18:24:35 <sipa> just make it NotifyNewBestBlock(uint256) or (CBlockIndex*)
1170 2014-07-28 18:24:43 <wumpus> jgarzik: sure, you could put i t within the !fInitialBlockDownload
1171 2014-07-28 18:24:43 <jgarzik> sipa, yes, already done
1172 2014-07-28 18:25:01 <wumpus> jgarzik: the reason it's unused is that it was invoked with too high a frequency during initial sync
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1174 2014-07-28 18:25:15 <jgarzik> yes
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1176 2014-07-28 18:26:04 <wumpus> it clogged the qt event queue, I suppose the same would happen with zmq :)
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1181 2014-07-28 18:27:54 <wumpus> with a fork per event it would be even more fun
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1183 2014-07-28 18:28:06 <sipa> instant forkbomb
1184 2014-07-28 18:28:12 <wumpus> heh
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1193 2014-07-28 18:36:40 <jcorgan> wumpus: i'd like to go back to using --disable-zmq instead of --with-zmq. The latter is has a more complicated syntax that allows you to specify where the library is located, but with zmq it's all handled with pkgconfig anyway. the autotools foo for --with is very fragile.
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1201 2014-07-28 18:39:56 <jcorgan> i'll go with --disable-zmq for now and get the rest of the work done, and we can revisit later
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1207 2014-07-28 18:46:55 <wumpus> jcorgan: I disagree but don't want to bikeshed over this
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1209 2014-07-28 18:48:01 <wumpus> jcorgan: so just do that if it's easier...
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1212 2014-07-28 18:49:26 <wumpus> we're completely inconsistent in that regard anyway, --with-gui, --with-cli is weird
1213 2014-07-28 18:50:08 <wumpus> *that* should have been enable
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1217 2014-07-28 18:54:40 <cfields> jcorgan: nit before you get any deeper: please differentiate between the case where the headers/libs aren't available, and when support isn't configured in
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1219 2014-07-28 18:55:19 <cfields> oh, looks like i missed part of this conversation already
1220 2014-07-28 18:55:31 <jcorgan> right
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1222 2014-07-28 18:56:07 <cfields> always compile it if support exists. optionally enable/disable at runtime. add a configure switch to disable entirely
1223 2014-07-28 18:56:36 <wumpus> cfields: we were that far already :)
1224 2014-07-28 18:56:53 <cfields> hehe, i see that now
1225 2014-07-28 18:57:10 <cfields> jcorgan: also, watch your link order. I believe as-is it will break with static libs
1226 2014-07-28 18:57:32 <jcorgan> hmm, could use your help on that, but let me get through this first
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1229 2014-07-28 18:57:46 <wumpus> 2014-07-28 18:51:41 receive version message: /Perone:0.0.1/: version 60002, blocks=0, us=0.0.0.0:8333, peer=7016
1230 2014-07-28 18:57:46 <wumpus> 2014-07-28 18:51:43 ProcessMessages(None, 0 bytes) : CHECKSUM ERROR nChecksum=e2e0f65d hdr.nChecksum=00000000
1231 2014-07-28 18:57:51 <cfields> jcorgan: sure, it's easy though. just be sure to stick any on-system libs after any in-tree libs
1232 2014-07-28 18:57:55 <wumpus> lol, someone is using my node for testing
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1237 2014-07-28 19:01:38 <cfields> any other osx builders around these days? or still just gavin?
1238 2014-07-28 19:02:52 <wumpus> fyi the code to compute the checksum is here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L4242 , which gets the first four bytes of the SHA256 result of the message
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1241 2014-07-28 19:04:03 <randy-waterhouse> cfields: would you like some more osx test builders?
1242 2014-07-28 19:04:21 <kazcw> wumpus: perone is a branch of protocoin, and it has proper msg checksums implemented. I was just reading its source yesterday since it's a candidate for the weird tor node
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1245 2014-07-28 19:05:23 <cfields> randy-waterhouse: the automated process is working and can easily be tested via bots, but it can be used for manual dev hacking as well. So I'm curious to see if it works for other osx devs
1246 2014-07-28 19:05:52 <randy-waterhouse> ok
1247 2014-07-28 19:06:26 <cfields> randy-waterhouse: you dev on osx?
1248 2014-07-28 19:06:34 <randy-waterhouse> can do
1249 2014-07-28 19:07:01 <cfields> well if you feel like giving it a go, sure, it'd be helpful
1250 2014-07-28 19:07:05 <randy-waterhouse> *nixes too
1251 2014-07-28 19:07:49 <cfields> (i'm referring to the new depends system here, the usual build process doesn't apply)
1252 2014-07-28 19:08:16 <randy-waterhouse> ok, i'm autotools dev btw
1253 2014-07-28 19:09:11 <cfields> ah, great. mind hopping over to #bitcoin-build when you have a chance to take it for a spin?
1254 2014-07-28 19:09:25 <randy-waterhouse> can do
1255 2014-07-28 19:10:18 <randy-waterhouse> who's branch ?
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1321 2014-07-28 20:20:46 <maraoz> does anyone have an example of a tx containing SIGHASH_SINGLE?
1322 2014-07-28 20:22:17 <maraoz> found it!
1323 2014-07-28 20:22:42 <maraoz> (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/test/data/tx_valid.json#L53)
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1357 2014-07-28 21:28:04 <K1773R> mike hearn seems to like censorship, just leaving this here to think about it http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2byqz0/mike_hearn_proposes_to_build_vulnerable/
1358 2014-07-28 21:28:23 <K1773R> sad to see this, you are disappointment
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1362 2014-07-28 21:31:25 <hearn> K1773R: i never claimed to be an anarchist. so if you thought that, sorry to disappoint, but not much i can do about it
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1364 2014-07-28 21:33:03 <K1773R> its not about anarchism, its about proposing something that destroys the whole idea behind the project
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1367 2014-07-28 21:33:40 <K1773R> just dont do the same wrt bitcoin and this shouldnt be a big issue
1368 2014-07-28 21:33:48 <sipa> #bitcoin please
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1389 2014-07-28 21:59:31 <sipa> ;;nethash
1390 2014-07-28 21:59:32 <gribble> 134309731.399
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1392 2014-07-28 21:59:48 <sipa> ;;calc (2**80 - 2**79.936155) / 10**6 / 86400 / [nethash]
1393 2014-07-28 21:59:49 <gribble> 4509.79281648
1394 2014-07-28 21:59:56 <sipa> ;;calc (2**80 - 2**79.936155) / 10**9 / 86400 / [nethash]
1395 2014-07-28 21:59:57 <gribble> 4.50979281648
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1399 2014-07-28 22:10:19 <jcorgan> cfields: ping
1400 2014-07-28 22:11:18 <samson_> In the bitcoind wiki entry under the section titled 'Theory of Operation' it says "The multithreaded aspect leads to some complexity and the use of certain code patterns to deal with concurrency that may be unfamiliar to many programmers."
1401 2014-07-28 22:11:28 <samson_> What 'code patterns' are used, does anyone have more information on this please ? I've looked but can't find any.
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1403 2014-07-28 22:12:09 <samson_> I'm looking for information on the thread concurrency aspects of the system
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1405 2014-07-28 22:12:29 <sipa> heh, there isn't all that much multithreading in bitcoind
1406 2014-07-28 22:12:41 <cfields> jcorgan: pong
1407 2014-07-28 22:12:44 <sipa> networking is done in a separate thread from message handling
1408 2014-07-28 22:13:00 <samson_> Yes, that's what I thought - mainly networking, any idea what these patterns are ?
1409 2014-07-28 22:13:01 <sipa> with several locks on nodes, network in/out buffers, and core datastructures
1410 2014-07-28 22:13:11 <jcorgan> cfields: i'm done with everything else for the zmq branch, would like to understand your linking comments earlier
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1412 2014-07-28 22:13:41 <sipa> samson_: just the use of mutexes i guess (i have never seen that piece of the wiki)
1413 2014-07-28 22:13:55 <sipa> and some other synchronization mechanisms
1414 2014-07-28 22:13:56 <cfields> jcorgan: i'll give it a quick build on the tester i'm working on. does it merge with master cleanly?
1415 2014-07-28 22:14:21 <jcorgan> let me push what i've done then, hold on. yes, i just rebased it on master.
1416 2014-07-28 22:14:22 <samson_> ok thanks
1417 2014-07-28 22:14:29 <cfields> ok
1418 2014-07-28 22:14:40 <jcorgan> ok, done
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1421 2014-07-28 22:15:55 <gmaxwell> samson_: ask this person, https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Bitcoind&diff=next&oldid=15426 ::shrugs::
1422 2014-07-28 22:16:00 <gmaxwell> I'd never seen that page before.
1423 2014-07-28 22:16:17 <gmaxwell> There isn't anything especially clever or unusual wrt conncurrency in bitcoind.
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1426 2014-07-28 22:17:45 <samson_> ok thanks - I also thought this but thought I'd double check with you guys just in case
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1433 2014-07-28 22:20:26 <cfields> jcorgan: https://travis-ci.org/theuni/bitcoin/builds/31088951
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1435 2014-07-28 22:21:27 <jcorgan> what am i looking for
1436 2014-07-28 22:21:29 <cfields> jcorgan: caching isn't in place yet, so builds take ~40min. That tests the the same build configs we use for release, so it'll yell if static linking is busted
1437 2014-07-28 22:21:47 <cfields> oh wait, do i need to --enable something?
1438 2014-07-28 22:21:51 <cfields> heh, and add a lib?
1439 2014-07-28 22:21:53 <cfields> crap.
1440 2014-07-28 22:21:54 <jcorgan> no, that was a recent change
1441 2014-07-28 22:22:12 <jcorgan> it will just warn that zmq was not found, and disable the feature
1442 2014-07-28 22:22:29 <cfields> ok, give me a few min to add it as a dep
1443 2014-07-28 22:22:33 <cfields> i suppose it's linux only?
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1445 2014-07-28 22:22:59 <jcorgan> um, no, i haven't ever done it, but it zmq is on windows afaik
1446 2014-07-28 22:23:28 <jcorgan> but that way lies madness
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1448 2014-07-28 22:24:27 <jcorgan> you can leave #22 running as it will test the situation where someone doesn't have zmq installed
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1450 2014-07-28 22:26:01 <dsnrk> other than the one on webbtc.com, are there any tools that I can run locally which let you debug a bitcoin script outside of the daemon?
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1460 2014-07-28 22:38:23 <cfields> jcorgan: https://travis-ci.org/theuni/bitcoin/builds/31090122
1461 2014-07-28 22:38:32 <cfields> installed for linux only
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1463 2014-07-28 22:42:23 <jcorgan> thanks
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1488 2014-07-28 23:32:24 <cfields> jcorgan: grr, zeromq's build is busted. I've pushed a work-around
1489 2014-07-28 23:32:33 <cfields> jcorgan: do you have any ties with upstream?
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1492 2014-07-28 23:41:54 <jcorgan> cfields: nope
1493 2014-07-28 23:42:17 <jcorgan> what broke?
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1495 2014-07-28 23:43:00 <cfields> curve_keygen.c needs to be renamed to curve_keygen.cpp
1496 2014-07-28 23:43:42 <cfields> libtool tags it as CC, builds it with CC rather than CXX, the std libs don't get linked in, and the linker pitches a fit
1497 2014-07-28 23:44:00 <jcorgan> you can try zmq3 instead of 4
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1499 2014-07-28 23:44:20 <sipa> zmq does key generation? :o
1500 2014-07-28 23:45:11 <jcorgan> 2.x is ultrastable, 3.x is the "current" release, and 4.x is all the new fancy stuff
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1502 2014-07-28 23:45:50 <cfields> i just skipped the test/utils builds
1503 2014-07-28 23:46:10 <cfields> (this is exactly why configure needs to have --with-tests --with-keygen, etc, btw)
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