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  7 2014-08-02 00:16:45 <sipa> log2_work=79.99997
  8 2014-08-02 00:17:41 <gmaxwell> 17:12 < dsnrk> UpdateTip: new best=000000000000000038bbefc70a1a5c86215082fd134c1e43172e7857f8cac406  height=313563  log2_work=80.000066  tx=43685132  date=2014-08-02  00:12:01 progress=1.000000
  9 2014-08-02 00:25:35 <sipa> tweeted and reddited :)
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 23 2014-08-02 00:42:17 <OneBraveHog> noob question with 1 compiler error -> Error	1	A new expression requires (), [], or {} after type	F:\Dev\Projs\BountyWish\CryptKeyGen\GenKey\Form1.cs	218	59	CryptKeyGen
 24 2014-08-02 00:42:30 <OneBraveHog> well ignore the path there.
 25 2014-08-02 00:42:35 <OneBraveHog> was going to trim that off for clarity
 26 2014-08-02 00:42:45 <OneBraveHog> it's on my line:  if (DBOP.TestDBConnection(GetConnectionString()))
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 28 2014-08-02 00:43:07 <OneBraveHog> GetConnectionString is defined in the Form class (for now - I know, move it out), as public string GetConnectionString...
 29 2014-08-02 00:43:40 <OneBraveHog> GetConnectionString simply constructs my connection string (ADO.NET) and returns it as a string
 30 2014-08-02 00:43:49 <sipa> this is not a help channel for programming 101
 31 2014-08-02 00:44:03 <OneBraveHog> sipa - ok - I'll google that error
 32 2014-08-02 00:44:13 <OneBraveHog> it is 100 or 101 though no doubt.
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 40 2014-08-02 01:02:22 <OneBraveHog> when using private variables inside a class- is there a prefix naming convention that is common?
 41 2014-08-02 01:02:29 <OneBraveHog> such as to prefix it with 'm'  or something?
 42 2014-08-02 01:02:35 <OneBraveHog> anyone have any habits ?
 43 2014-08-02 01:02:51 <OneBraveHog> nuns excluded
 44 2014-08-02 01:03:39 <dsnrk> OneBraveHog: super off topic, take it elsewhere.
 45 2014-08-02 01:05:08 <jgarzik> super off topic, unless adding a class, method or variable to Bitcoin Core C++ codebase, in which case, we would be happy to bikeshed over naming for an hour.
 46 2014-08-02 01:05:38 <sipa> just an hour? that's insulting
 47 2014-08-02 01:08:40 <OneBraveHog> I"m confused
 48 2014-08-02 01:08:53 <OneBraveHog> humor?
 49 2014-08-02 01:09:06 <OneBraveHog> oh shit
 50 2014-08-02 01:09:11 <OneBraveHog> WRONG channel
 51 2014-08-02 01:09:13 <OneBraveHog> holy crap
 52 2014-08-02 01:09:14 <OneBraveHog> I'm sorry
 53 2014-08-02 01:09:16 <gmaxwell> This is not the channel you're looking for.
 54 2014-08-02 01:09:22 <OneBraveHog> yeah - I thought I had a dev channel open :)
 55 2014-08-02 01:09:24 <OneBraveHog> oh my god.
 56 2014-08-02 01:09:26 <OneBraveHog> no wonder
 57 2014-08-02 01:09:32 <OneBraveHog> I thoguth the dev's were screwing with me
 58 2014-08-02 01:09:44 <OneBraveHog> I just looked up - because I saw bitcoin and was like- why would they bring up bitcoin?
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 60 2014-08-02 01:09:54 <OneBraveHog> hahaha- ok - please understand-  my error.
 61 2014-08-02 01:09:56 <OneBraveHog> whooops
 62 2014-08-02 01:10:09 <OneBraveHog> yeah- I had this chan open from 2 days ago - forgot to close it
 63 2014-08-02 01:10:30 <OneBraveHog> wow - that was so damned strange... It all makes sense now - lol
 64 2014-08-02 01:10:40 <OneBraveHog> NOW I understand Sipa's comment 'this is not 101 programming' hahahahah
 65 2014-08-02 01:11:08 <OneBraveHog> poor sipa - yeah - BIG whoops there.  I do realize this is for serious bitcoin dev - please understand none of my posts were meant for this chan
 66 2014-08-02 01:11:36 <OneBraveHog> I'll close out chan - and pop in if I ever do have bitcoin dev questions, I'm good currently.  I was in the other day asking about max pub keys and learned a lot
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116 2014-08-02 02:39:33 <jgarzik> http://www.keylimepi.net/  "key lime pi offline wallet"
117 2014-08-02 02:39:34 <jgarzik> cute
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119 2014-08-02 02:42:27 <dsnrk> jgarzik: why the fuck are they supplying a web based "paper wallet" tool!?
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121 2014-08-02 02:43:06 <dsnrk> mouse movement entropy my ass.
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166 2014-08-02 04:02:20 <arioBarzan> 55BTC in tx/f316dbd9937419172c5d9d3c7d751bc5ab5e403cf4209fe5676e562cad1bd5ca is lost forever? b472a266d0bd89c13706a4132ccfb16f7c3b9fcb is sha256(ripemd160(''))
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168 2014-08-02 04:06:08 <Luke-Jr> is that MtGox's?
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170 2014-08-02 04:07:02 <arioBarzan> not sure
171 2014-08-02 04:08:27 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: if you (or anyone else) wants to try the new relay node stuff, http://bitcoin.ninja/RelayNodeClient.jar
172 2014-08-02 04:08:41 <BlueMatt> I make no guarantees the servers wont be un-backwards-compatibly upgraded without notice
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181 2014-08-02 04:19:03 <btc111> hey guys, anyone know how long on avg. it takes a standard android phone (galaxys5/etc) to generate 1000 addresses in an HD wallet?
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184 2014-08-02 04:27:42 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: wheres the source?
185 2014-08-02 04:31:01 <btc111> should I assume generating 1000 addresses on an iphone/galaxy will take longer then 10 seconds?
186 2014-08-02 04:31:42 <Luke-Jr> btc111: I doubt it
187 2014-08-02 04:31:49 <Luke-Jr> btc111: generating addresses is pretty cheap
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189 2014-08-02 04:33:41 <btc111> cool, i was thinking that a way you can stop a color coin user from sending to a non-colored wallet would be to have a protocol rule that hashes a bitcoin address and looks for a pattern so that only 1 in 1000 are 'color addresses'
190 2014-08-02 04:34:41 <Luke-Jr> bad idea :x
191 2014-08-02 04:34:57 <Luke-Jr> just don't use addresses for coloured coins, problem solved
192 2014-08-02 04:35:09 <Luke-Jr> or if you must, make a new address format that has a bitfield for features or something
193 2014-08-02 04:36:45 <btc111> how would you suggest not using addresses?
194 2014-08-02 04:37:43 <Luke-Jr> something like the payment protocol?
195 2014-08-02 04:38:00 <Luke-Jr> maybe extend it
196 2014-08-02 04:38:23 <Luke-Jr> btc111: if you're thinking of doing coloured coins, I'd talks to maaku and jtimon; they're working on that kind of thing
197 2014-08-02 04:40:06 <gmaxwell> btc111: that doesn't make a lot of sense, how about you ... just not do that?  ... it very much should not be using ordinary bitcoin address, because how would you know that it knew how to properly handle the transactions? ... it's not like the addresses show up in the wire protocol anyways.
198 2014-08-02 04:42:03 <btc111> i've heard of some people suggesting using nSequence bits to mark colored coins
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200 2014-08-02 04:44:15 <btc111> gmaxwell: i was going to have a server with a list of signed color definitions, and my wallet will query the server with each new tx and ask 'is this utxo colored with anything'? if the server says yes it tells the wallet which color defintion to download
201 2014-08-02 04:44:51 <btc111> server just gives the wallet hints of course, the user can check the color definition is signed by the issuer manually if they dont trust my server
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203 2014-08-02 04:46:36 <btc111> its a mobile app so if it has some thin-client centralization i dont think its too bad. i'm looking at openassets and order-based coloring right now to see whats better
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210 2014-08-02 05:03:15 <btc111> i'm also going to set up a bunch of nodes that remove the dust limit and have my mobile wallets connect to those first by default so they can send 1 satoshi transactions (which my server will push to miners)
211 2014-08-02 05:03:50 <luke-jr_> btc111: why 1 satoshi?
212 2014-08-02 05:03:53 <luke-jr_> why not 0 satoshis?
213 2014-08-02 05:03:58 <btc111> i figure 100 nodes would be alright.. cost me $500 a month and would be expensive for attackers to ddos
214 2014-08-02 05:04:22 <arioBarzan> scriptPubKey: "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 <pubKeyHash> OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG" wastes both processing and storage resources. for e.g. in tx/2df665d6e6f76192f0d0aae6290985acdab0aa9e985e8b9730ace276b3946a3b nodes compute OP_HASH160 for same pubKey (04ec896e0e...) almost 200 times, and for same tx the pubKey is repeatedly stored in blockchain.
215 2014-08-02 05:04:23 <btc111> luke-jr_: how does the 0 satoshi utxo send the asset to soemeone else?
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217 2014-08-02 05:04:39 <luke-jr_> btc111: there's no concept of assets right now.. so depends how you define that O.o
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220 2014-08-02 05:05:19 <luke-jr_> arioBarzan: consider that addresses are supposed to only ever be used once.
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222 2014-08-02 05:06:04 <btc111> luke: i didn't know i could create 0 satoshi outputs? can you point me to a tx in the blockchain that has one?
223 2014-08-02 05:06:48 <luke-jr_> btc111: can't be bothered, but I know they exist
224 2014-08-02 05:06:54 <luke-jr_> (I've spent a few at least)
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227 2014-08-02 05:09:40 <arioBarzan> but you guys changed bitcoind's code such that users have no formal easy option for generating different types of addresses (like <pubKey> OP_CHECKSIG) which are being used more than 'once'.
228 2014-08-02 05:09:58 <gmaxwell> arioBarzan: changed?!
229 2014-08-02 05:10:12 <gmaxwell> there is no address encoding of pay to pubkey, never has been
230 2014-08-02 05:10:57 <gmaxwell> It's a style used by the internal miner, which is mostly where you've seen that before. (was also used by pay to ip, which was eventually removed due to being insecure)
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234 2014-08-02 05:15:28 <Luke-Jr> arioBarzan: the only reusable address has ever been IP addresses, which were totally insecure
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237 2014-08-02 05:18:40 <arioBarzan> early versions of bitcoind should have generated '<pubKey> OP_CHECKSIG' addresses, the dude who received first payment from Satoshi in tx/f4184fc596403b9d638783cf57adfe4c75c605f6356fbc91338530e9831e9e16 would have had 76a914<...>88ac type of address, otherwise.
238 2014-08-02 05:19:11 <gmaxwell> arioBarzan: no such 'addresses' ever existed.
239 2014-08-02 05:19:30 <gmaxwell> arioBarzan: That was pay-to-ip (as menitoned), which is how bitcoin was originally used.
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241 2014-08-02 05:20:28 <gmaxwell> arioBarzan: also pay to ip guaranteed scriptpubkeys were _never_ reused.
242 2014-08-02 05:22:00 <gmaxwell> As luke says, the system was really designed such that scriptpubkeys wouldn't be reused, ... reuse really screws up the privacy model badly (e.g. to common spending in seperate transactions).
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244 2014-08-02 05:25:31 <arioBarzan> for those who want to reuse an address, isn't it better to provide them with a tool or guidance to use '<pubKey> OP_CHECKSIG' addresses instead?
245 2014-08-02 05:26:08 <arioBarzan> this way they don't waste storage and processing resources of other nodes
246 2014-08-02 05:26:23 <Luke-Jr> arioBarzan: no such thing exists
247 2014-08-02 05:26:34 <Luke-Jr> arioBarzan: and '<pubkey> OP_CHECKSIG' is still NOT reusable
248 2014-08-02 05:27:07 <gmaxwell> arioBarzan: huh? I think you're confused about something but I'm not sure what the nature of your cryptocurrency confusion is. :(
249 2014-08-02 05:27:48 <gmaxwell> There is no such thing as a "'<pubKey> OP_CHECKSIG' address" and never has been, but lets pretend there were— it's no different wrt reuse than 1-type addresses.
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251 2014-08-02 05:29:27 <arioBarzan> my question is for those who reuse scriptPubKey: "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 <pubKeyHash> OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG", isn't it better to tell them to use scriptPubKey: "<pubKey> OP_CHECKSIG" instead?
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253 2014-08-02 05:29:58 <Luke-Jr> arioBarzan: no, worse
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255 2014-08-02 05:30:32 <gmaxwell> arioBarzan: doesn't matter— the couple bytes overhead would easily compress out if anyone cared. And people really shouldn't be reusing scriptPubKeys in general, since it hurts the privacy of other people.
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257 2014-08-02 05:35:37 <arioBarzan> yes, in general people shouldn't use it. but for those specific people who reuse their scriptPubKey anyway, (like companies, miners, exchanges, etc.) there could be an alternative option.
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259 2014-08-02 05:36:50 <arioBarzan> and in reality for them it doesn't matter how much developers them not to reuse their scriptPubKey, just look at their transactions on blockchain.
260 2014-08-02 05:37:00 <arioBarzan> *tell them
261 2014-08-02 05:37:31 <Luke-Jr> I hope no exchange is clueless enough to reuse addresses :x
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263 2014-08-02 05:43:01 <gmaxwell> arioBarzan: why should there be an alternative option?  How does the scriptpubkey type has _anything_ to do with reuse?
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265 2014-08-02 05:43:13 <gmaxwell> (also, fwiw, payment protocol lets you use whatever scriptpubkey you like)
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268 2014-08-02 05:50:01 <arioBarzan> for e.g. one miner has generated 415,557.14979622 coins and sent them to 'OP_DUP OP_HASH160 80ad90d403581fa3bf46086a91b2d9d4125db6c1 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG'. other nodes thousand of times have computed OP_DUP OP_HASH160 for 02b8c918bd169a5e669cc149549f822dd5f2c50872eb83172a1c69172277fe378f and the same pubKey wasted lots of storage on blockchain.
269 2014-08-02 05:50:52 <arioBarzan> I have nothing more to say in this regard. thanks anyway for your replies.
270 2014-08-02 05:51:43 <gmaxwell> arioBarzan: it doesn't waste any storage at all, if anyone cares— it all compresses right out. (also, the number of bitcoins is more or less irrelevant, the number of txouts is what matters).
271 2014-08-02 05:52:37 <gmaxwell> also if you're talking about a _miner_ the miner is free to use whatever scriptpubkey they want, bitcoin's internal miner already uses the pay to pubkey style scriptpubkey.
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448 2014-08-02 11:42:47 <randy-waterhouse> is there a minimum version of openssl required for bitcoin core?
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451 2014-08-02 11:45:18 <sipa> randy-waterhouse: whatever works, works
452 2014-08-02 11:45:28 <sipa> randy-waterhouse: but i very strongly suggest you use a recent version
453 2014-08-02 11:45:36 <sipa> there have been many problems with openssl lately
454 2014-08-02 11:45:58 <randy-waterhouse> sipa ... looking at putting a min required into autotools configure.ac ...
455 2014-08-02 11:46:14 <randy-waterhouse> wth option to point to custom builds also
456 2014-08-02 11:46:34 <sipa> all things we use in openssl have been there for a long time
457 2014-08-02 11:46:51 <randy-waterhouse> so pick an old old number?
458 2014-08-02 11:46:54 <randy-waterhouse> 0.9.8?
459 2014-08-02 11:47:39 <randy-waterhouse> or no min required is an option also
460 2014-08-02 11:47:52 <randy-waterhouse> seems to be what you are suggesting
461 2014-08-02 11:48:22 <randy-waterhouse> go with that for now
462 2014-08-02 11:48:32 <sipa> i can't remember any complaint from anyone ever that their build failed because their openssl was too old
463 2014-08-02 11:48:41 <sipa> so i don't think it's a problem in practice
464 2014-08-02 11:49:45 <randy-waterhouse> ok
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467 2014-08-02 11:53:08 <wumpus> generally we can handle extremely old versions of dependencies
468 2014-08-02 11:53:48 <wumpus> I don't remember any complaint at all from someone using an too-old version of anything
469 2014-08-02 11:54:34 <randy-waterhouse> never too old ... sounds like good advice
470 2014-08-02 11:55:19 <wumpus> it's not advice, it's always advised to use newer versions, but if you want you can build bitcoin on some older 'stable' distributions, which is good
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474 2014-08-02 11:57:13 <randy-waterhouse> ok
475 2014-08-02 11:57:56 <wumpus> the only hard requirement I remember now is qt > 4.6, oh and of course bdb=4.8, but that's just for compatibility reasons of the file format
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477 2014-08-02 12:00:01 <wumpus> for boost I don't know, minimum must be 1.3x as that's used for the pulltester
478 2014-08-02 12:00:13 <randy-waterhouse> 1.37?
479 2014-08-02 12:00:29 <wumpus> yes I think so
480 2014-08-02 12:01:46 <randy-waterhouse> any long term plan to move away from boost?
481 2014-08-02 12:03:45 <wumpus> no, none at all
482 2014-08-02 12:04:26 <sipa> i hope that at some point we'll be able to switch to c++11, and replace several boost constructs by native constructs
483 2014-08-02 12:04:34 <sipa> but certainly not all
484 2014-08-02 12:04:37 <wumpus> possibly, but in itself it is no goal
485 2014-08-02 12:05:15 <sipa> right, c++11 is the goal because of very useful features - and if that allows us to remove parts of out boost dependency, so much the better
486 2014-08-02 12:05:23 <wumpus> if c++11 provides comparable functions, and we require c++11, it makes sense to use those
487 2014-08-02 12:05:28 <wumpus> right
488 2014-08-02 12:07:53 <randy-waterhouse> ta
489 2014-08-02 12:08:42 <randy-waterhouse> boost chrono debacle would be good to leave behind
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714 2014-08-02 18:15:25 <jtimon> any idea what I'm getting this when make check?
715 2014-08-02 18:15:25 <jtimon> ../src/build-aux/test-driver: line 107: 17258 Aborted                 "$@" > $log_file 2>&1
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753 2014-08-02 19:14:21 <jtimon> nevermind, seems specific to a commit
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