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   4 2014-08-05 00:02:40 <cfields> jgarzik: ping
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   6 2014-08-05 00:03:13 <jgarzik> cfields, ni hao
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   8 2014-08-05 00:03:49 <cfields> hao
   9 2014-08-05 00:03:51 <cfields> soo.
  10 2014-08-05 00:04:12 <cfields> i'm not at all familiar with the code, just asking out of curiosity
  11 2014-08-05 00:04:23 <jgarzik> My wife tells me I talk slowly, then she takes _forever_ to get to the point.
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  13 2014-08-05 00:04:46 <cfields> what's the use of hanging on to an address if it's obviously "terrible" ?
  14 2014-08-05 00:05:17 <jgarzik> cfields, If you are a Glass Half Full sort of person, there is always the chance the address might become not-terrible
  15 2014-08-05 00:05:17 <gmaxwell> cfields: More context?
  16 2014-08-05 00:05:34 <jgarzik> gmaxwell, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4632
  17 2014-08-05 00:05:35 <cfields> gmaxwell: #4632
  18 2014-08-05 00:05:57 <cfields> jgarzik: to get to the point: why not prune in GetAddr_ ?
  19 2014-08-05 00:05:59 <jgarzik> cfields, Also, if you are restarting a node after a long sleep (many days), you might suddenly decide your entire peer db was terrible
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  22 2014-08-05 00:06:51 <jgarzik> cfields, "terrible" is so... fluid.  Your node shouldn't be so judgemental.   ;p
  23 2014-08-05 00:07:21 <jgarzik> cfields, broadly speaking, addrman is optimistic, and jealously guards addresses as a miser conserves pennies.
  24 2014-08-05 00:07:21 <cfields> / Determine whether the statistics about this entry are bad enough so that it can just be deleted
  25 2014-08-05 00:07:29 <cfields> just going by the comment :)
  26 2014-08-05 00:07:41 <jgarzik> cfields, contect
  27 2014-08-05 00:07:43 <cfields> ok
  28 2014-08-05 00:07:45 <jgarzik> cfields, context
  29 2014-08-05 00:07:55 <gmaxwell> cfields: there is never a reason to delete anything, it'll just get overwritten.
  30 2014-08-05 00:07:56 <jgarzik> cfields, can be deleted.... when adding a better entry to the bucket
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  32 2014-08-05 00:08:26 <cfields> makes sense. thanks for clarifying
  33 2014-08-05 00:08:42 <gmaxwell> Addrman is a fixed size database, it'll overwrite things as it learns new things. You're pretty much never off actually forgetting something... instead the approach is to make less good things higher priority for overwrite / lower priority for use. :)
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  35 2014-08-05 00:09:39 <jgarzik> In practice though, addrman today passes any old garbage back to requesting peers
  36 2014-08-05 00:09:44 <gmaxwell> It's somewhat inspired by the fortuna-style random number generator functions... has a approach that even if an attacker controlls a lot of the input it'll still keep doing 'surprising' things from time to time.
  37 2014-08-05 00:10:20 <jgarzik> if DNS seeds are not present, all this garbage slows down finding good connections
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  39 2014-08-05 00:11:08 <jgarzik> there is some pathological behavior at low address counts on testnet, and various minor problems at the edges on mainnet associated with long-lived garbage addresses
  40 2014-08-05 00:11:19 <jgarzik> IMNSHO better addresses need to bubble up
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  42 2014-08-05 00:11:58 <gmaxwell> jgarzik: hm. well IIRC it will always give you some of its better ones, but they might not be obviously better to you... since the nLastSuccess data doesn't make it across the wire.
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  46 2014-08-05 00:16:37 <jgarzik> gmaxwell, GetAddr() pulls from vRandom[].  vRandom is a "randomly-ordered vector of all nIds" according code comment, which appears to match the code itself.  Every CAddrInfo has an associated nid, and entry in mapInfo.
  47 2014-08-05 00:16:57 <jgarzik> gmaxwell, thus "getaddr" P2P call gets any old garbage
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  49 2014-08-05 00:17:35 <jgarzik> each bucket is coded to trend towards replacing unhealthy with healthy, certainly.
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  51 2014-08-05 00:18:30 <gmaxwell> ah, okay, yea, I think we should perhaps make sure the result is dense in good ones, and perhaps set ntime back in time for bad ones.
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  55 2014-08-05 00:20:40 <gmaxwell> Once we add peer rotation we'll have much better databases about what nodes are reachable in general.
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  58 2014-08-05 00:23:28 <BlueMatt> controversial, or most controversial? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/506
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  60 2014-08-05 00:28:23 <BlueMatt> satoshi no longer has push access to bitcoin/bitcoin, no?
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  64 2014-08-05 00:31:18 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: he does not.
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  67 2014-08-05 00:34:38 <saivann_> Well I think that's up to you. The PGP key can remain on the website, even though it isn't linked from the page anymore, so...
  68 2014-08-05 00:34:50 <BlueMatt> yes, I did that deliberately
  69 2014-08-05 00:35:01 <BlueMatt> no reason for bitcoin.org/satoshi.asc to not exist if its not linked to anywhere
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 105 2014-08-05 01:33:02 <PRab> It would be useful for bitcoind-ncurses.
 106 2014-08-05 01:34:29 <gmaxwell> Nothing should be added to getinfo at all.
 107 2014-08-05 01:34:52 <gmaxwell> Getinfo is deprecated.
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 110 2014-08-05 01:47:38 <PRab> gmaxwell: Oh... https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list didn't mention it. Is there a new/better api to get that from?
 111 2014-08-05 01:48:58 <iwilcox> BlueMatt: Was there anything to tweak?  The .deb just built for me from git.
 112 2014-08-05 01:49:14 <BlueMatt> iwilcox: nope
 113 2014-08-05 01:49:19 <BlueMatt> oops, meant to close that bug, one sec
 114 2014-08-05 01:49:38 <BlueMatt> done
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 116 2014-08-05 01:50:08 <cfields> BlueMatt: i meant to ping you a while back, i believe the build issues for ppa should be fixed now
 117 2014-08-05 01:50:18 <BlueMatt> cfields: they are indeed
 118 2014-08-05 01:50:27 <cfields> ok great
 119 2014-08-05 01:51:12 <cfields> BlueMatt: we should probably sync up at some point as well re: dependency building
 120 2014-08-05 01:51:22 <cfields> since the ppa can now use the same build process as pull-tester/gitian
 121 2014-08-05 01:51:31 <BlueMatt> oh, yea, that'd be nice to do
 122 2014-08-05 01:51:39 <cfields> can of worms i'm not interested in opening atm, just throwing it out there for the future :)
 123 2014-08-05 01:51:42 <BlueMatt> ideally, the ppa wont actually build anything at all
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 125 2014-08-05 01:52:08 <BlueMatt> it should just ship a post-install script that fetches the bitcoin linux builds, checks their sigs, and copies them
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 127 2014-08-05 01:52:33 <BlueMatt> doesnt actually provide any additional security, but its cleaner that way and less chance of any issues cropping up
 128 2014-08-05 01:53:12 <cfields> well, it'd be very simple to do now as soon as the deps are merged in, but it wouldn't match gitian sigs...
 129 2014-08-05 01:53:19 <cfields> doing that would take a bit more effort
 130 2014-08-05 01:54:24 <BlueMatt> I'd prefer it not even do any building to try to match or anything like that
 131 2014-08-05 01:54:33 <BlueMatt> just a shell script that runs gitian-updater
 132 2014-08-05 01:55:08 <cfields> mm, i suppose it could just pull the binaries straight from where they're published on the website
 133 2014-08-05 01:55:19 <BlueMatt> it should
 134 2014-08-05 01:55:29 <BlueMatt> though we need to ship the gitianized zip folders
 135 2014-08-05 01:55:37 <BlueMatt> (which are just the direct gitian outputs and signatures)
 136 2014-08-05 01:56:03 <cfields> shouldn't the .asc be enough to verify?
 137 2014-08-05 01:56:35 <cfields> or output .yml or w/e it is
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 139 2014-08-05 01:58:22 <cfields> BlueMatt: also, pull-tester will be building other arch's, and gitian can use them as well
 140 2014-08-05 01:58:55 <cfields> so it may be worth considering adding armhf or similar
 141 2014-08-05 02:00:05 <BlueMatt> cfields: I dont remember, but there is a downloader script in gitian-builder that handles all the stuff automagically
 142 2014-08-05 02:00:34 <BlueMatt> so easiest to just use that, though expects a zip with exact format of something like {output/[all the stuff], gitian/[all the sigs]}
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 346 2014-08-05 06:08:07 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: well there is a whole 'enterprise' business of adapters between various service RPC mechanisms
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 348 2014-08-05 06:08:40 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: really? :o
 349 2014-08-05 06:09:01 <Luke-Jr> unfortunately, I realised a minor issue with making this generic: protobuf likes code generation
 350 2014-08-05 06:09:08 <Luke-Jr> so any schema needs to be compiled in :/
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 352 2014-08-05 06:09:49 <Luke-Jr> I guess one could dynamically make a .so and load it
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 354 2014-08-05 06:10:50 <wumpus> but personally i wouldn't know anything that this would be specifically useful for outside of bitcoin
 355 2014-08-05 06:11:10 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: I actually wrote it for a home automation framework I've been working on
 356 2014-08-05 06:11:25 <Luke-Jr> using protobuf-over-ZMQ for the interfaces, but needed a human-friendly way to interact
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 359 2014-08-05 06:14:30 <wumpus> protobuf over zmq makes a lot of sense for that, especially if you have parameters that can change with high frequency like light dimmers
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 361 2014-08-05 06:15:31 <wumpus> json would have a large encoding/decoding overhead especially on the embedded system side
 362 2014-08-05 06:17:19 <Luke-Jr> right
 363 2014-08-05 06:17:31 <Luke-Jr> I'm only using JSON for human interaction/debugging
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 365 2014-08-05 06:18:06 <wumpus> I hacked something like that together based on the dbus protocol once, it was a kind of bad choice in retrospect, it doesn't scale well to a larger network than say one server that controls everything :P
 366 2014-08-05 06:19:14 <Luke-Jr> heh
 367 2014-08-05 06:19:19 <Diablo-D3> wumpus: dbus is, largely, a mistake for everything
 368 2014-08-05 06:19:20 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: https://github.com/luke-jr/freeabode if it interests you
 369 2014-08-05 06:19:26 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: it's funny that json is still more useful for that, makes me think JSONRPC was a good choice for bitcoin
 370 2014-08-05 06:19:28 <Diablo-D3> Luke-Jr: btw, why protobuf?
 371 2014-08-05 06:19:33 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: for the moment, it is oriented around running on a rooted Nest thermostat
 372 2014-08-05 06:19:41 <Luke-Jr> Diablo-D3: because I didn't see anything better
 373 2014-08-05 06:19:56 <Diablo-D3> capn proto
 374 2014-08-05 06:20:04 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: (apart from the small issue with the monetary amounts....)
 375 2014-08-05 06:20:07 <Luke-Jr> Cap'n Proto was appealing, but I didn't feel like writing an ebuild
 376 2014-08-05 06:20:21 <Luke-Jr> ironically, I ended up having to fix protobuf's ebuild to cross-compile x.x
 377 2014-08-05 06:20:29 <Diablo-D3> lol.
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 379 2014-08-05 06:21:06 <wumpus> Diablo-D3: well at least you didn't suggest ASN.1, I'm happy :)
 380 2014-08-05 06:21:16 <Luke-Jr> hah
 381 2014-08-05 06:22:17 <Diablo-D3> wumpus: deargodwhy
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 388 2014-08-05 06:25:15 <wumpus> Diablo-D3: I played around a bit with the GSM protocol at some point, w/ nokia 3310 you could get at quite a low level, so I got exposed to ASN.1, I didn't ever fully recover my sanity
 389 2014-08-05 06:25:28 <Diablo-D3> wumpus: explains much.
 390 2014-08-05 06:25:56 <wumpus> hehehe
 391 2014-08-05 06:26:28 * Luke-Jr ponders how much trouble he's going to have using ZMQ on the real device considering how much it's having issues with his desktop's /dev/random flow
 392 2014-08-05 06:26:53 <Diablo-D3> Luke-Jr: er
 393 2014-08-05 06:26:55 <Diablo-D3> use urandom bro
 394 2014-08-05 06:27:04 <Luke-Jr> Diablo-D3: I don't think that's an option for ZMQ?
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 396 2014-08-05 06:27:18 <Diablo-D3> zmq _requires_ non-u random?
 397 2014-08-05 06:27:19 <Diablo-D3> wtf.
 398 2014-08-05 06:27:23 <Diablo-D3> that is some broken ass software
 399 2014-08-05 06:27:44 <wumpus> probably for strong cryptographic keys, so that other people won't start controlling his thermostats? :p
 400 2014-08-05 06:27:55 <Diablo-D3> wumpus: nope
 401 2014-08-05 06:27:55 <Luke-Jr> actually, it's libsodium
 402 2014-08-05 06:28:01 <Luke-Jr> and Gentoo has a USE flag for urandom
 403 2014-08-05 06:28:02 <Diablo-D3> urandom is only unsafe for that at boot time
 404 2014-08-05 06:28:03 <Luke-Jr> maybe I should turn it on
 405 2014-08-05 06:28:19 <Diablo-D3> a box that has been running awhile produces output just as random as random
 406 2014-08-05 06:28:56 * Luke-Jr makes the assumption urandom is only available where it's safe and flips it on
 407 2014-08-05 06:29:23 <Luke-Jr> oh, I actually have it on for the cross target *shrug*
 408 2014-08-05 06:29:43 <Diablo-D3> Luke-Jr: seriously, anyone who tries to use random and doesnt understand why shouldnt be allowed to program
 409 2014-08-05 06:29:45 <wumpus> oh libsodium, I also compiled that a few days ago, I wanted to compile obelisk, needed to compile dependency after dependency from source because distribution packages either didn't exist or were not new enough
 410 2014-08-05 06:29:57 <wumpus> compiling bitcoind isn't so bad.
 411 2014-08-05 06:30:09 <Diablo-D3> Ive compiled bitcoind before
 412 2014-08-05 06:30:14 <Diablo-D3> way back when
 413 2014-08-05 06:30:19 <Diablo-D3> and its now like
 414 2014-08-05 06:30:21 <Diablo-D3> why bother
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 416 2014-08-05 06:30:34 <Diablo-D3> I dont follow git upstream
 417 2014-08-05 06:30:37 <Diablo-D3> I dont write patches for it
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 430 2014-08-05 06:55:46 <sipa> PRab: getmininginfo, getnetworkinfo, getpeerinfo, getwalletinfo, ...
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 433 2014-08-05 06:58:29 <wumpus> not sure how a client name would help though; I hope you already know what you're connecting to if you're provided the rpc user and password as well
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 437 2014-08-05 06:59:33 <sipa> getting the version string may be meaningful
 438 2014-08-05 06:59:41 <wumpus> or is this for the case where you get a jumble of ports, username and password and have to figure out which is which?
 439 2014-08-05 06:59:44 <wumpus> sure
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 441 2014-08-05 07:00:40 <sipa> wumpus: do you have access to a 32-bit ubuntu 12.x build env? someone reported that git head (since the unordered map for ccoinsviewcache) fails to sync testnet
 442 2014-08-05 07:00:57 <wumpus> oh we don't even expose the subversion over RPC!
 443 2014-08-05 07:01:16 <sipa> gmaxwell and i tested 32 bit and 64 bit, and work, but perhaps it is an os/boost issue
 444 2014-08-05 07:01:35 <wumpus> let's see
 445 2014-08-05 07:02:03 <sipa> which, if not a hardware issue, is scary
 446 2014-08-05 07:03:38 <wumpus> yes I think I have one
 447 2014-08-05 07:04:11 <wumpus> oh 11.10 
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 449 2014-08-05 07:05:18 <wumpus> I'll try to upgrade it; do you know where in the sync process it fails?
 450 2014-08-05 07:06:28 <sipa> block 381
 451 2014-08-05 07:06:38 <sipa> consistently, which is even more scary
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 454 2014-08-05 07:07:47 <sipa> wumpus: oh, he's here: E-Rage
 455 2014-08-05 07:07:53 <wumpus> that's indeed scary
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 463 2014-08-05 07:15:16 <dsnrk> wumpus: want me to give it a shot too?
 464 2014-08-05 07:15:57 <wumpus> E-Rage: what's your boost version? (  grep "define BOOST_VERSION " /usr/include/boost/version.hpp )
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 466 2014-08-05 07:16:22 <ItsDom> does anyone know when wallet encryption was added to the default bitcoin client?
 467 2014-08-05 07:16:32 <wumpus> dsnrk: sure, if you have that environment, I first have to wait for the upgrade to complete, and have to install dependencies, etc
 468 2014-08-05 07:16:44 <sipa> ItsDom: 0.4, if you're talking about wallet encryption
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 470 2014-08-05 07:17:05 <ItsDom> sipa: yes I was. Thanks, really appreciated:)
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 472 2014-08-05 07:17:13 <dsnrk> wumpus: I have the environment, same deal though.
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 474 2014-08-05 07:17:37 <wumpus> it may be faster to just spin up a new VM
 475 2014-08-05 07:17:47 <sipa> i'll copy paste all info in an issue
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 477 2014-08-05 07:18:11 <wumpus> "About 2 hours 15 minutes remaining" :*
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 489 2014-08-05 07:50:56 <wumpus> hmm ubuntu 12.04 offers the choice between boost 1.46 and boost 1.48
 490 2014-08-05 07:51:20 <wumpus> 'libboost-all-dev' gives me 1.46 so I'll go with that
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 493 2014-08-05 08:00:02 <sipa> ;;later tell E-Rage see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/4634
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 513 2014-08-05 08:23:16 <cfields> sipa / wumpus: do you have a sample test-case? or is an actual testnet sync needed?
 514 2014-08-05 08:23:30 <wumpus> I managed to reproduce it
 515 2014-08-05 08:23:51 <wumpus> cfields: well only the first 381 blocks, I'd call that a 'simple test case'
 516 2014-08-05 08:24:49 <cfields> wumpus: was asking because i can have the pull-tester try whatever version of boost is needed. but there'd need to be a failing test
 517 2014-08-05 08:25:19 <wumpus> let's try that!
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 519 2014-08-05 08:25:37 <cfields> sure. which version?
 520 2014-08-05 08:25:49 <wumpus> wow the tests fail... badly
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 522 2014-08-05 08:26:25 <wumpus> going to try with bc42503 reverted
 523 2014-08-05 08:26:35 <cfields> oh, ok
 524 2014-08-05 08:27:10 <wumpus> lots of errors with the CCoinsViewCache, as expected by the commit that is reported to trigger it
 525 2014-08-05 08:27:21 <cfields> which boost version?
 526 2014-08-05 08:30:49 <dsnrk> cfields: see the github issue.
 527 2014-08-05 08:33:08 <wumpus> (or read a few lines back :p)
 528 2014-08-05 08:33:45 <cfields> agh, i missed your 2nd line :\
 529 2014-08-05 08:33:52 <cfields> and of course i picked 1.48 as a guess
 530 2014-08-05 08:35:48 <wumpus> with bc42503 reverted, all tests pass
 531 2014-08-05 08:36:36 <wumpus> I'm going to revert it for now
 532 2014-08-05 08:36:37 <sipa> wumpus: what if you use your previous version, without the custom hasher class?
 533 2014-08-05 08:37:13 <wumpus> sipa: worth a try
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 536 2014-08-05 08:37:35 <cfields> ugh, really seems like boost < 1.53 or so is pretty rough
 537 2014-08-05 08:37:55 <cfields> 1.46 and 1.48 both fail to build here without patching
 538 2014-08-05 08:38:10 <wumpus> cfields: build worked fine for me
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 541 2014-08-05 08:38:28 <cfields> wumpus: building boost itself?
 542 2014-08-05 08:38:47 <wumpus> cfields: no
 543 2014-08-05 08:38:52 <wumpus> just bitcoin
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 545 2014-08-05 08:41:32 <wumpus> but yes, compiling boost 1.46 on a newer system makes sense to see if it is really the culprit
 546 2014-08-05 08:43:49 <sipa> so, if we can't pinpoint exactly what the problem is with boost (as in, for example a known bug "boost X through Y fail when used with a custom hasher class"), we should definitely revert
 547 2014-08-05 08:45:03 <wumpus> agreed; if it fails with the trivial custom hasher too, we can conclude that boost::unordered_map is buggy
 548 2014-08-05 08:45:07 <michagogo> huh.
 549 2014-08-05 08:45:11 <michagogo> bitcoind was running, and now it's not.
 550 2014-08-05 08:45:48 <michagogo> Last log line is a received version message at 2014-08-04 11:47:45...
 551 2014-08-05 08:45:56 <sipa> OOM?
 552 2014-08-05 08:46:02 <michagogo> Nothing in dmesg
 553 2014-08-05 08:46:21 <michagogo> Anywhere else I should be looking?
 554 2014-08-05 08:46:39 <michagogo> (this is Ubuntu 14.04, in an OpenVZ container)
 555 2014-08-05 08:47:42 <wumpus> even segmentation faults get logged to dmesg on ubuntu
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 557 2014-08-05 08:49:43 <ThomasV> I get a syntax error in configure (git head)
 558 2014-08-05 08:49:48 <wumpus> I suppose you don't log the stdout/stderr anywhere?
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 560 2014-08-05 08:50:01 <wumpus> or the exit status
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 562 2014-08-05 08:50:16 <ThomasV> ./configure: line 2748: syntax error near unexpected token `disable-shared'
 563 2014-08-05 08:50:16 <ThomasV> ./configure: line 2748: `LT_INIT(disable-shared)'
 564 2014-08-05 08:50:34 <wumpus> ThomasV: apt-get install libtool , re-do autogen.sh and configure
 565 2014-08-05 08:50:37 <cfields> install libtool
 566 2014-08-05 08:50:46 <ThomasV> thanks
 567 2014-08-05 08:51:30 <wumpus> michagogo: it almost has to be an assertion failure
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 570 2014-08-05 08:51:49 <michagogo> wumpus: no, I just run with -daemon=1
 571 2014-08-05 08:52:06 <michagogo> I don't log anything the system doesn't already
 572 2014-08-05 08:52:24 <michagogo> I guess if I'm running master maybe I should run it in screen with daemon=0
 573 2014-08-05 08:52:33 <wumpus> assertion errors don't get logged anywhere :(
 574 2014-08-05 08:52:38 <wumpus> or run it in gdb ;)
 575 2014-08-05 08:53:00 <cfields> wumpus: didn't you say the tests failed?
 576 2014-08-05 08:53:13 <wumpus> cfields: yes they failed - horribly
 577 2014-08-05 08:53:18 <cfields> ok
 578 2014-08-05 08:53:25 <cfields> https://travis-ci.org/coryfields/bitcoin/jobs/31690399
 579 2014-08-05 08:53:37 <cfields> that's x64, was easier to run a quick test
 580 2014-08-05 08:53:39 <wumpus> I can't copy/paste from that VM so I don't have the exact errors
 581 2014-08-05 08:54:02 <michagogo> One sec, I'll tweak my aliases to start in names screen sessions
 582 2014-08-05 08:54:04 <cfields> if that fails, i'll do x32, but they take ~30min
 583 2014-08-05 08:54:10 <wumpus> sipa: with the trivial custom hasher no problems 
 584 2014-08-05 08:54:45 <michagogo> it's `screen -dmS name command arguments`, right?
 585 2014-08-05 08:54:48 <wumpus> already up to block 11637 and tests pass
 586 2014-08-05 08:55:34 <sipa> wumpus: with a custom hasher class, or by just using std::size_t hash_value?
 587 2014-08-05 08:56:07 <wumpus> sipa: I've used my old commit, so the second
 588 2014-08-05 08:56:08 <sipa> wumpus: hmm, my hasher returns uint64_t, but perhaps the hasher is expected to produce a size_t?
 589 2014-08-05 08:56:18 <sipa> which may make a difference on 32-bit
 590 2014-08-05 08:56:23 <cfields> sipa: wait, i saw something like that in the changelog
 591 2014-08-05 08:56:28 <wumpus> sipa: I'll try turning it into a real custom hasher
 592 2014-08-05 08:56:38 <sipa> wumpus: can you try making my hasher return size_t?
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 594 2014-08-05 08:57:32 <wumpus> sipa: sure
 595 2014-08-05 08:58:27 <cfields> fwiw, passed tests with 64bit boost 1.46.1
 596 2014-08-05 09:00:38 <michagogo> er, actually, if it dies, the screen session will go away... can I make it not do that?
 597 2014-08-05 09:00:48 <wumpus> michagogo: run it in gdb :D
 598 2014-08-05 09:00:59 <michagogo> How do I do that?
 599 2014-08-05 09:01:03 <sipa> gdb ./bitcoind
 600 2014-08-05 09:01:04 <sipa> run
 601 2014-08-05 09:01:12 <wumpus> screen gdb  -run src/bitcoind -args blabla
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 603 2014-08-05 09:01:38 <michagogo> Does that take significantly more resources than running it normally?
 604 2014-08-05 09:01:45 <wumpus> hardly
 605 2014-08-05 09:01:49 <sipa> a bit more cpu
 606 2014-08-05 09:02:15 <wumpus> unless you set breakpoints or, *shudder* data-watching breakpoints, then things start to get bad
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 608 2014-08-05 09:03:32 <wumpus> but just gdb attached to the process should have no effect on execution speed at all
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 611 2014-08-05 09:05:05 <michagogo> Nope. It's offering me either `gdb` or `gdb-minimal`... any idea what the difference is?
 612 2014-08-05 09:05:13 <michagogo> ;;google ubuntu gdb vs gdb-minimal
 613 2014-08-05 09:05:13 <gribble> Ubuntu – Details of package gdb-minimal in trusty: <http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/devel/gdb-minimal>; gdb-minimal - Ubuntu – Error: <http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/devel/gdb-minimal>; Ubuntu – Package Search Results -- gdb: <http://packages.ubuntu.com/src:gdb>
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 615 2014-08-05 09:06:14 <sipa> minimal is likely enough
 616 2014-08-05 09:07:06 <wumpus> I suppose you don't get all the nice python scripting facilities with -minimal, then again, you don't need those right now
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 619 2014-08-05 09:10:18 <michagogo> Looks like minimal builds with --disable-tui --without-python
 620 2014-08-05 09:10:44 <michagogo> Do I need the TUI?
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 622 2014-08-05 09:11:20 <cfields> ok, i'm headed to bed...
 623 2014-08-05 09:11:28 <cfields> want me to fire off a build first?
 624 2014-08-05 09:11:55 <cfields> i can start a boost 32bit 1.46 build if it'd help
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 626 2014-08-05 09:13:29 <wumpus> michagogo: no (although it's nice if you do single-stepping a lot)
 627 2014-08-05 09:14:11 <wumpus> cfields: I guess it could help a bit by making sure the problem is with boost
 628 2014-08-05 09:14:11 <michagogo> gdb: unrecognized option '-run'
 629 2014-08-05 09:14:57 <wumpus> ok, just do gdb -args src/bitcoind (arguments)   , then type run
 630 2014-08-05 09:15:06 <wumpus> I don't know the command-line option to automatically run
 631 2014-08-05 09:15:48 <michagogo> looks like maybe "-ex run"
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 633 2014-08-05 09:16:19 <cfields> https://api.travis-ci.org/jobs/31692164/log.txt?deansi=true
 634 2014-08-05 09:16:23 <cfields> eta ~30min
 635 2014-08-05 09:16:30 <cfields> (just refresh)
 636 2014-08-05 09:16:32 <cfields> nnite
 637 2014-08-05 09:16:33 <michagogo> looks like what I want might be: gdb -ex run --args bitcoind --datadir=/home/micha/.bitcoin_main
 638 2014-08-05 09:17:02 <michagogo> Looks like that did it
 639 2014-08-05 09:17:22 <michagogo> Where do stdout/err go, btw?
 640 2014-08-05 09:17:44 <sipa> where they would normally go
 641 2014-08-05 09:18:24 <michagogo> The "Bitcoin server starting" isn't printing
 642 2014-08-05 09:18:31 <michagogo> at least, not to that term
 643 2014-08-05 09:18:38 <wumpus> it doesn't print that if you don't provide -daemon
 644 2014-08-05 09:18:42 <wumpus> (which you don't want to in this case)
 645 2014-08-05 09:18:43 <michagogo> ah
 646 2014-08-05 09:18:43 <michagogo> d'oh
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 648 2014-08-05 09:19:00 <michagogo> I don't think I've ever run bitcoind with daemon=0
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 650 2014-08-05 09:19:14 <michagogo> Okay, so the command it right
 651 2014-08-05 09:19:15 <michagogo> is*
 652 2014-08-05 09:19:44 <michagogo> [Inferior 1 (process 22067) exited normally]
 653 2014-08-05 09:19:44 <michagogo> (gdb)
 654 2014-08-05 09:20:21 <michagogo> Does it not exit with bitcoind?
 655 2014-08-05 09:21:02 <wumpus> sipa: replacing the return argument of CCoinsKeyHasher::operator()  with size_t seems to have solved it... 
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 657 2014-08-05 09:22:11 <cfields> wumpus: https://travis-ci.org/theuni/bitcoin/builds/31692597
 658 2014-08-05 09:22:21 <cfields> there's a build with s/uint64_t/size_t/
 659 2014-08-05 09:22:57 <cfields> to make sure it plays nice with the others as well, stupid windows especially...
 660 2014-08-05 09:23:17 <wumpus> ok thanks
 661 2014-08-05 09:24:16 <wumpus> I wonder why this wasn't caught by the pulltester -- it uses 32 bit and an ancient boost
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 663 2014-08-05 09:28:05 <michagogo> hm
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 668 2014-08-05 09:29:25 <michagogo> this command is working: $ gdb -ex "set debug timestamp on" -ex run --args bitcoind --datadir=/home/micha/.bitcoin_main
 669 2014-08-05 09:29:32 <wumpus> E-Rage: can you try the patch posted in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/4634?
 670 2014-08-05 09:29:50 <michagogo> so is this one: screen -dmS mbitcoind gdb -ex "set debug timestamp on" -ex run --args bitcoind --datadir=/home/micha/.bitcoin_main
 671 2014-08-05 09:30:10 <michagogo> But this isn't:
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 674 2014-08-05 09:31:05 <michagogo> oh
 675 2014-08-05 09:31:06 <michagogo> ignore me
 676 2014-08-05 09:31:14 <michagogo> I forgot to `source` my aliases file -_-
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 680 2014-08-05 09:34:02 <michagogo> Okay, switched to running in gdb now
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 682 2014-08-05 09:35:55 <michagogo> erm
 683 2014-08-05 09:36:25 <wumpus> in an ideal world this would have returned a compile-time error that a function returning size_t is missing, but nooo c++ likes to randomly shoot you in the foot by doing *something*
 684 2014-08-05 09:36:25 <michagogo> wumpus: it won't hurt to be running with commit d97a58f883c57da0507dde6dce9b8431f88e739c on a machine that is one of the seeds listed, will it? :P
 685 2014-08-05 09:37:11 <wumpus> sometimes I deeply hate programming
 686 2014-08-05 09:37:24 <sipa> wumpus: i can't even imagine any code that would work incorrectly as a result of this, but compile
 687 2014-08-05 09:38:00 <sipa> any assignment size_t hash = hasher(key) should get a valid result in hash
 688 2014-08-05 09:38:15 <sipa> it can't take a pointer of the result as it's a temporary
 689 2014-08-05 09:38:29 <wumpus> sipa: probably some far-fetched template hack to detect something
 690 2014-08-05 09:39:19 <sipa> the only thing i can imagine is using some template hack to to write [return type of hasher()] = hasher(key); and then using a pointer to that return value
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 692 2014-08-05 09:39:25 <sipa> and doing pointer arithmetic on it
 693 2014-08-05 09:40:08 <wumpus> or type traits went horribly wrong, generating no code in the case that it doesn't match a size_t
 694 2014-08-05 09:40:22 <wumpus> michagogo: huh?
 695 2014-08-05 09:40:59 <michagogo> wumpus: the machine I'm working on hosts thfsmmn2jbitcoin.onion
 696 2014-08-05 09:41:22 <michagogo> About to update it
 697 2014-08-05 09:41:26 <wumpus> michagogo: oh, right, no, bitcoin actually detects connecting to itself
 698 2014-08-05 09:41:49 <michagogo> (taking the node up 8b4616b..8d0d512)
 699 2014-08-05 09:42:51 <wumpus> and unless you start with a node without peers.dat, *and* fail the dns seeds, it won't use the seeds at all
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 701 2014-08-05 09:43:50 <michagogo> hm,              else if (nLoadWalletRet == DB_TOO_NEW)
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 703 2014-08-05 09:44:03 <michagogo> Does that trigger on a too-old BDB, as the name suggests?
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 705 2014-08-05 09:44:41 <wumpus> no
 706 2014-08-05 09:44:48 <michagogo> okay, good
 707 2014-08-05 09:44:58 <michagogo> (what does it mean?)
 708 2014-08-05 09:45:00 <wumpus> only when the wallet itself is too new
 709 2014-08-05 09:45:14 <michagogo> Ah, as in the wallet version number?
 710 2014-08-05 09:45:20 <wumpus> wallets are versioned
 711 2014-08-05 09:45:23 <michagogo> Okay, good
 712 2014-08-05 09:45:25 <wumpus> yes
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 715 2014-08-05 09:46:14 <wumpus> bdb doesn't have anything like that, it's very variable what bdb will do if you open a db from a 'future' version
 716 2014-08-05 09:46:40 <sipa> bdb database files also have a version number
 717 2014-08-05 09:46:53 <sipa> and log files too, iirc
 718 2014-08-05 09:48:38 <michagogo> hmm, was commit 1045452fa5f3475337b4dcab69e81e73ea430597 PR'd?
 719 2014-08-05 09:48:56 <michagogo> It's annoying when there are merges with no PR number :-/
 720 2014-08-05 09:49:00 * michagogo looks at jgarzik
 721 2014-08-05 09:49:26 <michagogo> GH changed the PR list again?
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 723 2014-08-05 09:50:20 <wumpus> michagogo: I remarked that already, he'll add the PR number on future merges
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 725 2014-08-05 09:51:06 <wumpus> sipa: but they don't have a consistent error when the database is incompatible, I've tried a few times and had different behavior
 726 2014-08-05 09:53:22 <michagogo> hm, if I replace a binary and then make it exit
 727 2014-08-05 09:53:45 <michagogo> Will entering `run` into gdb, will that run the new binary?
 728 2014-08-05 09:53:56 <michagogo> Or does it re-run the now-removed bin?
 729 2014-08-05 09:54:12 <michagogo> (do I need to quit and re-run gdb to update bitcoind?)
 730 2014-08-05 09:54:19 <wumpus> I *think* it will load the new binary
 731 2014-08-05 09:54:31 <michagogo> I guess I'll watch the log and we'll know that way
 732 2014-08-05 09:54:45 <wumpus> doing a new 'run' throws away all of gdb's state
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 734 2014-08-05 09:55:09 <sipa> loading the binary happens before you execute run
 735 2014-08-05 09:55:20 <sipa> so i'm not sure
 736 2014-08-05 09:55:41 <wumpus> it may also get competely confused
 737 2014-08-05 09:56:32 <jgarzik> michagogo, you can "run" as often as you like inside gdb
 738 2014-08-05 09:56:36 <jgarzik> it will restart execution
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 740 2014-08-05 09:56:48 <jgarzik> I do that all the time, to avoid re-pasting "set args ....."
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 742 2014-08-05 09:57:21 <jgarzik> all state is thrown away, as you expect
 743 2014-08-05 09:57:28 <sipa> but does it reload the binary?
 744 2014-08-05 09:57:54 <jgarzik> sipa, no, the "file" command reloads the binary
 745 2014-08-05 09:58:14 <michagogo> uh, looks like it does
 746 2014-08-05 09:58:15 <michagogo> `/usr/local/bin/bitcoind' has changed; re-reading symbols.
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 748 2014-08-05 09:58:43 <michagogo> and debug.log shows 8d0d512
 749 2014-08-05 09:58:52 <michagogo> rather than 8b4616b
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 752 2014-08-05 10:01:13 <michagogo> hm, I wonder if I can tell screen to send gdb a command without reattaching
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 756 2014-08-05 10:07:03 <wumpus> AFAIK yes, you can tell screen to send some keystrokes, altough if you really need to control gdb remotely the way would be gdbserver
 757 2014-08-05 10:07:22 <michagogo> It's just so I can tell it to run when I update the bin
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 759 2014-08-05 10:10:12 <wumpus> it's also possible to script gdb to auto-rerun the executable if it exits normally
 760 2014-08-05 10:12:01 <wumpus> (you'd need to attach an exit_handler)
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 796 2014-08-05 10:58:41 <michagogo> Hm, I wish there was a way to rewind the blockchain and index
 797 2014-08-05 10:58:53 <sipa> -reindex :p
 798 2014-08-05 10:59:11 <michagogo> So I could go back and perhaps reprocess the block that (maybe?) made it crash
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 800 2014-08-05 10:59:50 <michagogo> Erm, maybe I should go back and check if there was actually a block then...
 801 2014-08-05 11:01:04 <michagogo> 2014-08-04 11:37:55 UpdateTip: new best=00000000000000001004f5fdaa079dd8ca2c95c077fb2d87494ffb9de234cff1 height=313938  log2_work=80.035635  tx=43819630  date=2014-08-04 11:37:39 progress=0.999999
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 805 2014-08-05 11:02:33 <michagogo> The next block was 3 minutes after the last log message
 806 2014-08-05 11:02:38 <michagogo> Probably not a block, them
 807 2014-08-05 11:02:40 <michagogo> then*
 808 2014-08-05 11:02:45 <michagogo> I wonder what it was.
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 995 2014-08-05 15:13:46 <sonical> good morning, I am trying to ensure that I am running safe code, i have found my binary and signed hashes but I have no assurance that key 1FC730C1 is actually gavin's key
 996 2014-08-05 15:14:00 <sonical> so, how do I prove that to myself?
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 999 2014-08-05 15:15:56 <iwilcox> Drop by for a cup of tea?
1000 2014-08-05 15:15:59 <gavinandresen> sonical: Good question, how would you expect to be able to do that?
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1002 2014-08-05 15:17:01 <gavinandresen> (I'm curious to hear your answer, maybe you have a great idea for how to securely distribute the key we haven't thought of)
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1004 2014-08-05 15:18:40 <sonical> ha not really the infrastructure is too lacking.
1005 2014-08-05 15:18:43 <sonical> all that comes to mind:
1006 2014-08-05 15:19:07 <sonical> - gavinandresen, you could auth with gribble using that key
1007 2014-08-05 15:19:16 <dsnrk> gavinandresen: the developers should get shirts made for public showings that have your GPG key in them :)
1008 2014-08-05 15:19:27 <iwilcox> Ask the foundation to fund constant round-the-world flights for Gavin so he can attend every keysigning anywhere.
1009 2014-08-05 15:19:28 <sonical> - other devs I'm familiar with like nanotube or sgornick could tell me 'i trust that's actually gavin'
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1011 2014-08-05 15:19:43 <gavinandresen> Mr. Google knows all about the 1FC730C1  key, do a search and you'll get lots of posts in different spots talking about it.  That's probably about as good as you'll get
1012 2014-08-05 15:20:04 <dsnrk> Proof Of Shirt would be fun though.
1013 2014-08-05 15:20:08 <gavinandresen> … assuming you use https to access google and assume an attacker hasn't managed to MITM your web browser or root cert store....
1014 2014-08-05 15:20:58 <gavinandresen> … so if you were super paranoid you'd do the search on a different computer in a physically separate location and compare results.
1015 2014-08-05 15:21:23 <dsnrk> well that's just it, you can't photoshop all the photos of developers in shirts on the interwebs.
1016 2014-08-05 15:21:24 <sonical> exactly lol, there is no out of band to the NSA :)
1017 2014-08-05 15:21:48 <gavinandresen> You could call me on the phone, but that's not scalable.  So don't do that, please.
1018 2014-08-05 15:22:45 <gavinandresen> Anyway, if you're really and truly paranoid you should be using a multisig wallet so even if you're copy of bitcoin core is unsafe your coins are still safe.
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1020 2014-08-05 15:23:10 <wumpus> if you check the git repository, the commits are signed by many of the same people that signed gavin's key
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1022 2014-08-05 15:23:44 <dsnrk> gavinandresen: eh, given the little mishap in copay.io I wouldn't suggest anybody runs off and uses a third party wallet.
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1025 2014-08-05 15:24:25 <wumpus> if you believe the commits in the git repository are fake too, well, it may be better to not trust anything important to computers in your life
1026 2014-08-05 15:24:36 <sonical> ahh wumpus that sounds like a step i'm missing
1027 2014-08-05 15:24:37 <wumpus> as everything could be a lie
1028 2014-08-05 15:24:45 <iwilcox> If builds are fully deterministic, isn't a better approach to get people fewer trust hops away to reproduce the build?
1029 2014-08-05 15:24:54 <sonical> how do I view the sigs on gavin's key, and where do I see the sigs on the git commits?
1030 2014-08-05 15:25:06 <wumpus> iwilcox: that's what gitian does?
1031 2014-08-05 15:25:23 <wumpus> sonical: gpg --list-sigs 1FC730C1
1032 2014-08-05 15:25:26 <iwilcox> wumpus: RIght, but you don't see folks offering up their own signed copies.
1033 2014-08-05 15:25:34 <sonical> thanks wumpus
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1035 2014-08-05 15:26:15 <wumpus> and "git log --show-signature"
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1038 2014-08-05 15:26:52 <wumpus> output of gitian has been signed by at least three people for every release, the signatures can be found here: https://github.com/bitcoin/gitian.sigs
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1040 2014-08-05 15:27:43 <wumpus> (note that the commits in that repository are not usually signed, as the information that is committed already consists of signatures)
1041 2014-08-05 15:27:52 <iwilcox> Presumably those being folks who are one hop from Gavin?
1042 2014-08-05 15:28:47 <wumpus> iwilcox: I suppose so?
1043 2014-08-05 15:28:57 <wumpus> it's all a pretty small world
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1045 2014-08-05 15:32:54 <jintelletec> hi guys.. anyone looking or would work for an exchange in hong kong and/or know anyone with ruby experience?
1046 2014-08-05 15:33:50 <Belxjander> jintelletec: axn?
1047 2014-08-05 15:34:05 <iwilcox> wumpus: Just thinking along the lines of: if you can't get trust paths to the primary signers out into the world effectively enough, perhaps get the binary out and encourage more well-connected people to reproduce and sign themselves.
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1060 2014-08-05 15:44:36 <sonical> cool I am satisfied that my binary is legit. Do i need to rename bootstrap.dat or just put it in my directory next to my wallet.dat
1061 2014-08-05 15:44:41 <sonical> and do I need to do that before first run
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1066 2014-08-05 15:48:23 <sonical> i actually can't find my "Bitcoin Core data directory" to put bootstrap.dat before first run. i think it's in appdata somewhere on windows?
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1076 2014-08-05 16:03:14 <sipa> sonical: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Data_directory
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1078 2014-08-05 16:06:43 <sonical> yep, found it, created it manually before first run and it's reading the bootstrap.dat file successfully
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1083 2014-08-05 16:10:51 <cfields> wumpus: around?
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1093 2014-08-05 16:17:59 <sonical> thx for the help wumpus sipa gavinandresen
1094 2014-08-05 16:18:12 <sonical> and the shirts with the signing key fingerprint are a great idea
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1219 2014-08-05 19:10:45 <rdbell> Does anyone have a refrence or examples for node-libcoin usage? Particularly for interfacing with bitcoind over RPC.
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1241 2014-08-05 19:31:31 <rdbell> @jgarzik Why is node-libcoin giving me RPC error "connect ECONNREFUSED" when I try to use RPC commands? node-bitcoin works fine. Same credentials & port. Any idea?
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1244 2014-08-05 19:32:37 <rdbell> I wanted to try out libcoin after seeing your comments in this Reddit thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1jvzik/nodebitcoin/
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1251 2014-08-05 19:45:19 <jgarzik> rdbell, That morphed into http://blog.bitpay.com/2014/02/14/introducing-bitcore.html  /  https://github.com/bitpay/bitcore
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1255 2014-08-05 19:45:53 <rdbell> @jgarzik Thanks, I'll take a look.
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1310 2014-08-05 20:42:06 <michagogo> Good news!
1311 2014-08-05 20:42:26 <michagogo> I think we might be about 1 week away from removing bitcoind from Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
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1313 2014-08-05 20:43:29 <michagogo> (it's still in 12.10, 13.04, and 13.10, but those versions are EOL and can't/won't be touched at this point :-( but the Ubuntu stance is that nobody should be using them anyway...)
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1315 2014-08-05 20:44:40 <michagogo> (and for the unaware, back in October last year (IIRC) it was removed from the still-unreleased (and now current) 14.04 LTS and blacklisted from being automatically pulled in from Debian going forward)
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1317 2014-08-05 20:45:50 <Luke-Jr> I guess that's better than nothing. :p
1318 2014-08-05 20:46:17 <Luke-Jr> "good news" to me would be more like "Debian and Ubuntu have committed to keep their packages maintained properly for the distro lifetime"
1319 2014-08-05 20:46:19 <Luke-Jr> :p
1320 2014-08-05 20:46:27 <michagogo> Luke-Jr: well, it's in Debian unstable
1321 2014-08-05 20:47:22 <michagogo> With maintainers that are aware of the unique challenges in packaging a full node, and so keep it only in unstable where it can be kept up-to-date
1322 2014-08-05 20:48:15 <michagogo> Unfortunately, Ubuntu automatically pulls in packages from Debian unstable...
1323 2014-08-05 20:48:55 <Luke-Jr> >_<
1324 2014-08-05 20:49:13 <Luke-Jr> michagogo: are the packages at least bundling LevelDB now?
1325 2014-08-05 20:49:24 <michagogo> Luke-Jr: idk
1326 2014-08-05 20:49:30 <michagogo> ;;google debian bitcoin package
1327 2014-08-05 20:49:31 <gribble> Debian -- Details of source package bitcoin in sid: <https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/bitcoin>; Debian Package Tracking System - bitcoin: <https://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bitcoin.html>; Debian -- Details of package bitcoin-qt in sid: <https://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/bitcoin-qt>
1328 2014-08-05 20:49:32 <michagogo> Luke-Jr: ^
1329 2014-08-05 20:49:59 <michagogo> Looks like it's not in the deps, so I guess so
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1331 2014-08-05 20:55:21 <sipa> pigeons: p2sh standardness rules were relaxed
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1333 2014-08-05 20:56:01 <pigeons> thats cool
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1364 2014-08-05 21:28:31 <the8thbit> Hello, I'm writing an article about bitcoin, and I'd like to know if my understanding of blockchain security is correct. Basically, as I understand, even for a new block, the cost of double spending in one block is much larger than the cost of mining one block because the miner can solve for one of a set of hashes which produce a particular pattern (a substring of repeating zeros) while the attacker must now solve for the exact
1365 2014-08-05 21:28:31 <the8thbit> hash that original miner found. This is made even more difficult as the block ages, as you would need to provide hashes like this not just for the target block, but for every block which comes after it
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1371 2014-08-05 21:35:46 <the8thbit> hm, perhaps I should ask this in #bitcoin instead?
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1401 2014-08-05 22:10:01 <cfields> anyone around who uses bitcoin-qt set to non-english?
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1405 2014-08-05 22:10:45 <cfields> michagogo: ^^ maybe?
1406 2014-08-05 22:11:21 <michagogo> evil-the8thbit: 1. Yes, #bitcoin is the right place, not here 2. "while the attacker must now solve for the exact hash that original miner found." <-- No, this is completely impossible. If you can solve for an exact hash before the universe dies, you've broken Bitcoin (and many other things!)
1407 2014-08-05 22:11:24 <michagogo> cfields: nope, sorry
1408 2014-08-05 22:11:28 <michagogo> Why?
1409 2014-08-05 22:11:54 <cfields> michagogo: we grab qtbase translation files for packaging, for the base strings that we don't translate ourselves
1410 2014-08-05 22:11:59 <cfields> they're a pain in the ass to deal with
1411 2014-08-05 22:12:24 <cfields> i'm looking at it running now (in spanish) and everything seems to be translated, even without those base translations
1412 2014-08-05 22:12:32 <cfields> i'm looking for an example of one that's missing
1413 2014-08-05 22:13:16 <michagogo> (despite being Israeli, my parents are from NY and CA [technically I immigrated with them at the age of a few months], and we only speak English in the house [my cousins can't get a single sentence out in one language, it's a mix of English and Hebrew, and my parents swore I wouldn't turn out the same way], so I consider it my native (and preferred)
1414 2014-08-05 22:13:16 <michagogo> language)
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1417 2014-08-05 22:13:45 <michagogo> cfields: how about you switch it to e.g. Hebrew and go through the UI looking for latin letters :P
1418 2014-08-05 22:14:01 <michagogo> (if you mean what I think you mean?)
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1420 2014-08-05 22:14:19 <cfields> michagogo: heh, that's what i'm doing now in spanish. I expected things like ok/cancel to not be translated, but they are
1421 2014-08-05 22:14:44 <cfields> was hoping someone familiar with the pains of running non-english software might give me an idea of something to look for
1422 2014-08-05 22:14:57 <michagogo> cfields: characters in a differen charset :P
1423 2014-08-05 22:15:01 <michagogo> different*
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1425 2014-08-05 22:15:16 <cfields> oh
1426 2014-08-05 22:15:35 <cfields> mm, good thinking i guess
1427 2014-08-05 22:15:40 <michagogo> Do we use the strings "ok" and "cancel" or do we tell Qt "put an OK button and a cancel button here"?
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1430 2014-08-05 22:15:59 <michagogo> If the latter, not too surprising that it's right
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1433 2014-08-05 22:16:07 <michagogo> Anyway, it's 1:10 AM here... goodnight.
1434 2014-08-05 22:16:12 <cfields> unsure. i assumed in something like a modal, ok/cancel would be auto
1435 2014-08-05 22:16:14 <cfields> nnite
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1453 2014-08-05 22:21:31 <michagogo> What's nice about using e.g. Hebrew or CJK is that it's easy to spot untranslated words or phrases
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1455 2014-08-05 22:22:00 <cfields> yea, finally did that
1456 2014-08-05 22:22:01 <cfields> think i got one
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1458 2014-08-05 22:23:01 <cfields> encrypt-wallet's ok/cancel aren't translated
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1475 2014-08-05 22:46:22 <rdbell> What's the current testnet blockchain size?
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1509 2014-08-05 23:18:37 <askuck> ccccccdjgculrfifndknifcfilhrhrrruuhcdjtinkuc
1510 2014-08-05 23:18:39 <askuck> ccccccdjgculcfelkjvurjvengvhjjihvbkttrblnjru
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1513 2014-08-05 23:20:00 <cfields> roybadami: ping
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1518 2014-08-05 23:22:55 <warren> I'm having a problem with bitcoin-0.9.2.1.  A fresh node started with -connect syncs to 213688 then 751 orphan blocks
1519 2014-08-05 23:23:00 <warren> it gets stuck at that point
1520 2014-08-05 23:23:18 <warren> the node it is syncing from is on one of my own machines running 0.9.2.1
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1523 2014-08-05 23:26:15 <cfields> warren: x86?
1524 2014-08-05 23:26:24 <warren> cfields: x86_64
1525 2014-08-05 23:26:30 <cfields> ok, nm
1526 2014-08-05 23:29:14 <warren> it happened twice in a row
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1528 2014-08-05 23:29:21 <warren> trying with 0.8.x now
1529 2014-08-05 23:29:47 <gmaxwell> warren: in a row sounds like you're giving up immediately.
1530 2014-08-05 23:29:56 <gmaxwell> it should continue, e.g. after the next block on the network.
1531 2014-08-05 23:30:24 <warren> gmaxwell: node A is fully synced with the network.  node B is fresh, syncing only from node A.
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1534 2014-08-05 23:30:44 <gmaxwell> Yes?
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1553 2014-08-05 23:46:35 <warren> gmaxwell: it's been sitting there for 20 minutes without progress
1554 2014-08-05 23:47:38 <gmaxwell> ;;tslb
1555 2014-08-05 23:47:43 <gribble> Time since last block: 34 minutes and 2 seconds
1556 2014-08-05 23:49:46 <warren> you mean I can be stuck at 213688 until a newer block happens?
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1561 2014-08-05 23:51:50 <jgarzik> warren, yes
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