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 104 2014-08-21 02:20:02 <dgenr8> dsnrk: that article starts out "The average time it takes for a bitcoin transaction to be confirmed in the block chain is about 5 minutes (blocks are mined on average every 10 minutes)."
 105 2014-08-21 02:20:28 <dgenr8> dsnrk: apparently they think the block interval is distributed uniformly on (0,10)
 106 2014-08-21 02:23:43 * dgenr8 notes that introducing myriad snoop-nodes to find double-spends would not be necessary if double-spends were relayed
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 109 2014-08-21 02:27:50 <dgenr8> chain.com: incredibly, the average time to next block is 10 minutes, no matter how long since the last block (assuming hashrate << 2^256 per 10 minutes ;))
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 111 2014-08-21 02:30:11 <jgarzik> I think the all-time average is under 10 minutes, but it's been a while since I checked
 112 2014-08-21 02:30:17 <phantomcircuit> dgenr8, what article?
 113 2014-08-21 02:30:29 <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, it's about 9 minutes i think
 114 2014-08-21 02:30:49 <phantomcircuit> (it's certainly < 10)
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 117 2014-08-21 02:32:11 <dgenr8> ah, add "stable hash rate" to the assumptions ... picky picky
 118 2014-08-21 02:32:36 <phantomcircuit> dgenr8, what article
 119 2014-08-21 02:33:29 <EasyAt> As hash rate has always increased I would assume that means blocktime has to be <10min
 120 2014-08-21 02:33:33 <EasyAt> (except that one time)
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 122 2014-08-21 02:33:51 <phantomcircuit> someone should generate a histogram
 123 2014-08-21 02:33:55 <dgenr8> http://blog.chain.com/post/95226112991/chain-research-0-confirmation-transactions <- not endorsing this
 124 2014-08-21 02:33:55 <phantomcircuit> (that someone not being me)
 125 2014-08-21 02:35:32 <phantomcircuit> dgenr8, assuming 10 minute average block time his statement is correct
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 127 2014-08-21 02:35:46 <phantomcircuit> (also assuming uniform distribution of new transactions)
 128 2014-08-21 02:36:12 <dgenr8> i just flipped 10 heads.  what is P(next one heads)?
 129 2014-08-21 02:36:57 <phantomcircuit> dgenr8, he isn't talking about the probability that your transaction will confirm within 5 minutes
 130 2014-08-21 02:37:07 <phantomcircuit> but rather the average overtime
 131 2014-08-21 02:37:47 <dgenr8> i think you should plot that histogram
 132 2014-08-21 02:37:51 <phantomcircuit> (language used is of course not precise in it's meaning, so im assuming he's not a total idiot)
 133 2014-08-21 02:38:51 <phantomcircuit> dgenr8, transaction at time t=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
 134 2014-08-21 02:38:59 <phantomcircuit> average time to confirmation = 5
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 136 2014-08-21 02:39:30 <EasyAt> Time since block 0/total blocks
 137 2014-08-21 02:39:33 <phantomcircuit> that doesn't say anything about how long you should expect it to take to find another block
 138 2014-08-21 02:39:37 <wumpus> BlueMatt: yes, I'm working on that
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 145 2014-08-21 02:44:46 <wumpus> BlueMatt: I've split the util in my local branch into string utilities (hex, base32, base64), money utilities (parsesmoney, formatmoney), time (gettime*, sleep, format date) and the rest (logging, argument parsing, config file parsing)... the first two have no state and further dependencies
 146 2014-08-21 02:46:59 <phantomcircuit> dgenr8, you're right im wrong
 147 2014-08-21 02:48:17 <dgenr8> some areas of statistics are as pretty as some areas of cryptography http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_process
 148 2014-08-21 02:48:43 <phantomcircuit> also i think my simulation is broken
 149 2014-08-21 02:49:07 <phantomcircuit> oh nvm counting starts at t=0
 150 2014-08-21 02:51:33 <phantomcircuit> dgenr8, they're crawling the network with nodejs code?
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 152 2014-08-21 02:51:52 <phantomcircuit> that should be hilarious when they hit a node spamming addr nonsense
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 168 2014-08-21 03:38:06 <sipa> phantomcircuit: in poisson distributions, thr expected time is equal to the average time
 169 2014-08-21 03:38:11 <sipa> always
 170 2014-08-21 03:38:33 <sipa> wumpus: why are you awake!
 171 2014-08-21 03:39:54 <cfields> heh, i think he's the only dev I've ever known who works bright and early in the morning
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 173 2014-08-21 03:40:18 <wumpus> sipa: sleep problems
 174 2014-08-21 03:41:57 <cfields> erm. well now i just look like an ass :\
 175 2014-08-21 03:42:25 <wumpus> cfields: nah, it differs a lot per day, though I tend to get up early these days, today is an crazy exception
 176 2014-08-21 03:43:05 <phantomcircuit> sipa, yeah but maths
 177 2014-08-21 03:43:14 <cfields> i see
 178 2014-08-21 03:43:25 <wumpus> but I understand what you mean, I know people too who wouldn't have found their bed by now :-)
 179 2014-08-21 03:44:18 <cfields> wumpus: you interested in possibly hooking up travis for a test-run tomorrow? (er, ~12h-14h from now)
 180 2014-08-21 03:44:26 <sipa> wumpus: same :)
 181 2014-08-21 03:44:31 <wumpus> cfields: sure!
 182 2014-08-21 03:44:34 <cfields> i'm not really sure how to give it a trial without putting it in place
 183 2014-08-21 03:44:48 <wumpus> cfields: what do I need to do for that?
 184 2014-08-21 03:45:03 <cfields> wumpus: grr, sec. dog's about to explode if i don't take him out
 185 2014-08-21 03:45:38 <wumpus> cfields: oh better to that first then :)
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 188 2014-08-21 03:53:57 <cfields> ok
 189 2014-08-21 03:54:07 <rgenito> let's say i have a local bitcoin daemon running... is there a way I can query the json-rpc to look at the "ending balance" of a bitcoin public address?
 190 2014-08-21 03:54:20 <cfields> wumpus: one of the github admin will need to allow read-only access for the travis api
 191 2014-08-21 03:54:28 <cfields> that's all there is to it
 192 2014-08-21 03:54:47 <rgenito> also, what is the best way to look out for incoming payments to be public address? do i need to read each newly created block as it comes in from bitcoind?
 193 2014-08-21 03:54:54 <wumpus> cfields: so I need to contact a github admin to allow travis? what information do I need to provide?
 194 2014-08-21 03:55:11 <cfields> sipa's done it for the libsecp256k1 repo, i'll defer to his judgement as to whether it presents any risk
 195 2014-08-21 03:55:16 <wumpus> or can that only be done when you have set up your side?
 196 2014-08-21 03:55:18 <cfields> wumpus: no, sorry. a repo admin
 197 2014-08-21 03:55:41 <wumpus> ok
 198 2014-08-21 03:56:08 <cfields> i dunno who those are for the bitcoin repo. sipa, you know that one?
 199 2014-08-21 03:57:09 <wumpus> I think I can do that
 200 2014-08-21 03:57:23 <wumpus> it's under 'webhooks and services'?
 201 2014-08-21 03:57:35 <cfields> wumpus: before that, i'll need to get the info moved away from my account with travis tomorrow. I can handle that and just ping you when it's ready.
 202 2014-08-21 03:57:37 <cfields> yep
 203 2014-08-21 03:57:44 <sipa> rgenito: bitcoind tracks balances per wallet, not per address
 204 2014-08-21 03:58:04 <cfields> wumpus: i'll draw up some docs describing how everything works. It's really very simple.
 205 2014-08-21 03:58:28 <cfields> and i'll mail the dev list to let everyone know it's going live for a trial as well
 206 2014-08-21 03:58:40 <jgarzik> wumpus, sipa: RE " Encapsulate & protect core class COutPoint #4662"   I've no strong opinion.  It was done after " Encapsulate & protect members of CMessageHeader (kinda), CInv, CAddress #4661", and the genesis of #4661 was comments in src/protocol.h:
 207 2014-08-21 03:58:40 <wumpus> cfields: i indeed see 'travis CI' in that list
 208 2014-08-21 03:58:42 <jgarzik>  // TODO: make private (improves encapsulation)
 209 2014-08-21 03:58:44 <cfields> (once we decide we're ready)
 210 2014-08-21 03:59:06 <jgarzik> I would lean towards OK #4661, but leave core DSs as-is, due to so many existing direct accesses
 211 2014-08-21 03:59:10 <rgenito> sipa, "wallet" meaning the collection of btc addresses?
 212 2014-08-21 03:59:13 <wumpus> jgarzik: wonder who added that comment :p
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 215 2014-08-21 04:00:01 <jgarzik> comment added in 507fd9d15baac950df494742d67bcbafdaa4752c
 216 2014-08-21 04:00:02 <sipa> rgenito: not really, as wallets generate their own new keys too
 217 2014-08-21 04:00:07 <wumpus> jgarzik: I have no strong opinion about that either, but I've never ben of the OO-extremist school of 'everything should be an encapsulated object' , sometimes itm akes sense sometimes it doesn't :)
 218 2014-08-21 04:00:11 <jgarzik> Giel van Schijndel <me@mortis.eu>
 219 2014-08-21 04:00:19 <jgarzik> wumpus, agree
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 222 2014-08-21 04:00:49 <jgarzik> wumpus, furthermore, I'm an expert on C but a C++ newbie, so I'll follow whatever is the general preference
 223 2014-08-21 04:00:50 <rgenito> sipa, ahh, any suggestions for a development package that will let me "explore some blocks"? :D
 224 2014-08-21 04:00:57 <rgenito> i'm looking at blockchain.info's api at the moment
 225 2014-08-21 04:01:07 <sipa> rgenito: wallets manage their own funds, and the way bitcoind works, it makes little sense to micromanage it per address (it would be confusing and let you shoot yourself in the foot)
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 227 2014-08-21 04:01:20 <sipa> rgenito: you shouldn't reuse addresses more than once anyway
 228 2014-08-21 04:01:27 <rgenito> ya i agree.
 229 2014-08-21 04:02:18 <wumpus> jgarzik: well, let's see what others think
 230 2014-08-21 04:02:38 <wumpus> jgarzik: yes I agree on #4661, doing it for the net structures
 231 2014-08-21 04:03:14 <BlueMatt> wumpus: nice, makes my life easier
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 234 2014-08-21 04:04:49 <rgenito> sipa, any suggestions for a development package that will let me "explore some blocks"? :D
 235 2014-08-21 04:06:00 <wumpus> BlueMatt: I'm thinking of renaming what remains of util (after all the real utilities gone) to something like 'environment', as logging, argument parsing and storage, config parsing and storage, thread wrappers etc is more about the os/execution environment than 'util' really, but can't think of a good name...
 236 2014-08-21 04:08:55 <BlueMatt> os-interface
 237 2014-08-21 04:08:58 <wumpus> 'stateful shit'
 238 2014-08-21 04:09:02 <BlueMatt> heh
 239 2014-08-21 04:09:03 <wumpus> yeah
 240 2014-08-21 04:09:31 <wumpus> that may be it -- and a library doesn't need the os interface, but the standalone executables do
 241 2014-08-21 04:10:25 <BlueMatt> pretty much
 242 2014-08-21 04:10:55 <phantomcircuit> wumpus, leveldb puts that stuff under utils/env_{posix,win}
 243 2014-08-21 04:11:05 <phantomcircuit> which seems like a fairly comical way of doing it
 244 2014-08-21 04:11:54 <wumpus> phantomcircuit: may make sense - although, in our case, most code is shared between all platforms (there are some #ifdefs ofcourse)
 245 2014-08-21 04:13:04 <wumpus> mostly some very obscure things like SetThreadPriority
 246 2014-08-21 04:13:46 <wumpus> (which is a perceived need for, but not part of boost::thread0
 247 2014-08-21 04:14:59 <sipa> rgenito: to do what?
 248 2014-08-21 04:15:33 <sipa> rgenito: except if you're writing a debugging tool, exploring blocks is likely a means to a goal and not a goal by itself
 249 2014-08-21 04:15:45 * sipa tries to sleep
 250 2014-08-21 04:15:56 <wumpus> you can 'explore blocks' with bitcoind just fine, if that means looking into block details
 251 2014-08-21 04:16:01 <wumpus> good luck sipa
 252 2014-08-21 04:16:19 <BlueMatt> sipa: seriously dude, learn to sleep during night hours
 253 2014-08-21 04:17:13 <rgenito> sipa , how do you know? o.O you have know idea what i'm doing over here
 254 2014-08-21 04:17:20 <rgenito> anyhoo, leaving office :D gnighty
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 301 2014-08-21 06:23:30 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, sleep during night hours
 302 2014-08-21 06:23:32 <phantomcircuit> what is wrong with you
 303 2014-08-21 06:23:46 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: heh
 304 2014-08-21 06:24:40 <Belxjander> phantomcircuit: what are "night hour"s again?
 305 2014-08-21 06:24:56 <phantomcircuit> no idea
 306 2014-08-21 06:25:04 <Belxjander> phantomcircuit: sorry...I have no sense of this thing called "time" which everyone seems to want to schedule everything by
 307 2014-08-21 06:25:24 <phantomcircuit> ;;bc,blocks
 308 2014-08-21 06:25:25 <gribble> 316753
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 332 2014-08-21 07:27:25 <Genitrust> what is "block height"? is that the block # basically?
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 335 2014-08-21 07:32:13 <wumpus> yes
 336 2014-08-21 07:32:30 <wumpus> just another word for that
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 340 2014-08-21 07:47:51 <arioBarzan> Luke-Jr could easily steal coins of careless people who use scripts involving no OP_CHECKSIG like the ones in tx/b5c103dae667c4c5067be34510b30bef059090db09355c993cda00517a2b79a6
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 342 2014-08-21 07:49:59 <arioBarzan> it needs just few lines of code to check every valid script for spending coins to see whether they sign the outputs or not.
 343 2014-08-21 07:51:19 <gwillen> arioBarzan: I see a checksig at the end when I look at that tx
 344 2014-08-21 07:51:32 <gwillen> i.e. at the bottom of https://blockchain.info/tx/b5c103dae667c4c5067be34510b30bef059090db09355c993cda00517a2b79a6
 345 2014-08-21 07:52:31 <arioBarzan> gwillen: the input comes from tx/9674d6203c43b348e330e32628c5efdad1ca1150b32c7e3069f057fcd140a58a which sent coins to a P2SH address
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 347 2014-08-21 07:52:56 <gwillen> ahhhhh, okay
 348 2014-08-21 07:53:19 <gwillen> and the hashed script has no checksig, I see
 349 2014-08-21 07:53:27 <arioBarzan> yup
 350 2014-08-21 07:53:31 <gwillen> living on the edge, indeed; I wonder who's emitting those
 351 2014-08-21 07:54:43 <arioBarzan> apparently dude's nickname is "poutine"
 352 2014-08-21 07:55:02 <arioBarzan> 706f7574696e65 = "poutine"
 353 2014-08-21 07:56:08 <gwillen> snrk!
 354 2014-08-21 07:56:11 <arioBarzan> ripemd160(sha256("706f7574696e65")) = 7a73cf250e33244910bd6316b57dbadfcb7a8deb63e5b3b148d0c7b8465cfcc2
 355 2014-08-21 07:56:43 <gwillen> unless there's somewhere that's being decoded for me on bc.i, I'll take your word for it since I can't see what the script decodes to
 356 2014-08-21 07:57:48 <Genitrust> wumpus: ty btw :)
 357 2014-08-21 07:58:55 <arioBarzan> gwillen: in a unix terminal type this command "echo 706F7574696E65|xxd -r -p"
 358 2014-08-21 07:59:05 <gwillen> arioBarzan: oh, I got that part
 359 2014-08-21 07:59:11 <gwillen> I meant the surrounding P2SH script
 360 2014-08-21 07:59:29 <gwillen> I see "poutine" aa20<your hash>87
 361 2014-08-21 07:59:42 <gwillen> but I don't actually know how that executes
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 363 2014-08-21 08:00:14 <arioBarzan> gwillen: here is how http://webbtc.com/script/b5c103dae667c4c5067be34510b30bef059090db09355c993cda00517a2b79a6:0
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 377 2014-08-21 08:20:11 <iwilcox> arioBarzan: Chances are reasonable that the poutine here in channel is the poutine, so now he's highlighted, maybe we'll find out :)
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 379 2014-08-21 08:22:30 <sipa> BlueMatt: done!
 380 2014-08-21 08:24:27 <Genitrust> it's possible for a public key to be the "input" of a transaction, and for the public key to be the "output" of another separate transaction... all in the same block height, right?
 381 2014-08-21 08:25:01 <sipa> you're confused; transactions do not spend from/to a key
 382 2014-08-21 08:25:15 <sipa> but the answer is probably yes
 383 2014-08-21 08:25:37 <sipa> you can consume a coin (transaction output) that was created in the same block
 384 2014-08-21 08:25:41 <Genitrust> nah i'm not confused...just having a hard time figuring out how to put this to english :)
 385 2014-08-21 08:32:21 <phantomcircuit> sipa, huh
 386 2014-08-21 08:32:45 <phantomcircuit> trying to figure out how long is a reasonable period of time to wait to get an accurate hashrate for a miner
 387 2014-08-21 08:32:50 <phantomcircuit> realized the answer is forever
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 390 2014-08-21 08:51:21 <Eliel> depends on the accuracy you want :)
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 397 2014-08-21 09:02:16 <phantomcircuit> Eliel, no i mean it's really forever basically
 398 2014-08-21 09:02:37 <phantomcircuit> https://i.imgur.com/E0PNumX.png
 399 2014-08-21 09:02:46 <phantomcircuit> simulation of diff 1 with 80Gh/s
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 401 2014-08-21 09:03:53 <Eliel> it does look to me as if it converges eventually
 402 2014-08-21 09:04:13 <sipa> of course it takes forever to be ibfibitely accurate, it's a statistical process
 403 2014-08-21 09:04:38 <Eliel> so, you can decide accuracy you need and be able to get that in finite time.
 404 2014-08-21 09:04:38 <sipa> but you can make a reasonable guess with any amount of data, and calculate how wrong you likely are :p
 405 2014-08-21 09:05:33 <phantomcircuit> sipa, that's the part that's holding me up
 406 2014-08-21 09:05:40 <phantomcircuit> i was always lol bad at statistics
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 414 2014-08-21 09:14:34 <arioBarzan> someone destroyed 2609.36304319 BTC at 2011-10-28 by sending coins to "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 OP_FALSE OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG"
 415 2014-08-21 09:15:12 <arioBarzan> block-height/150951
 416 2014-08-21 09:15:36 <epscy> wasn't that gox?
 417 2014-08-21 09:16:11 <phantomcircuit> epscy, i think so
 418 2014-08-21 09:16:20 <phantomcircuit> and it's actually no OP_FALSE it's OP_PUSH 0
 419 2014-08-21 09:16:27 <phantomcircuit> which happens to be OP_FALSE
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 426 2014-08-21 09:47:00 <Genitrust> *sigh*
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 456 2014-08-21 11:36:21 <SomeoneWeird> people who are... writing a client? :p
 457 2014-08-21 11:36:23 * SomeoneWeird shrugs
 458 2014-08-21 11:36:43 <SomeoneWeird> sigh
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 462 2014-08-21 11:48:19 <wumpus> I'm not sure what they're writing, wouldn't be surprised if it was another crawler
 463 2014-08-21 11:48:26 <wumpus> hm it stays connected, "services" : "0000000000000000"
 464 2014-08-21 11:49:27 <wumpus> no NODE_NETWORK, so either a SPV client or a crawler
 465 2014-08-21 11:50:18 * Luke-Jr wonders why arioBarzan thinks he's any more likely to steal random coins than anyone else
 466 2014-08-21 11:52:57 * wumpus thinks about a trace <node> command that logs everything a node does... hm, maybe too nosy :)
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 468 2014-08-21 11:53:57 <wumpus> does anyone have statistics on OP_RETURN usage?
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 476 2014-08-21 12:13:04 <amaclin> what kind of OP_RETURN stats? something is here http://webbtc.com/scripts/op_return
 477 2014-08-21 12:15:06 <wumpus> I was looking for numbers (how many), but a list is also fine, thanks
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 479 2014-08-21 12:16:20 <amaclin> wumpus, about .4 node... can you give IP? Or just wireshark it yourself and filter incoming data
 480 2014-08-21 12:17:11 <pigeons> wumpus: yeah no stats but a list here too http://coinsecrets.org/
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 482 2014-08-21 12:19:01 <wumpus> amaclin: its a server in Germany
 483 2014-08-21 12:20:50 <amaclin> wumpus: which one? :)
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 488 2014-08-21 12:25:01 <dsnrk> wumpus: https://github.com/sebicas/bitcoin-sniffer/blob/master/sniffer.py#L27
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 490 2014-08-21 12:26:32 <wumpus> dsnrk:thanks!
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 492 2014-08-21 12:27:32 <dsnrk> if you want to identify these sorts of network sniffers, just look at your bandwidth usage. if one has no receives and much, much higher sent, then it's a sniffer. there's a *lot* of them on ipv4 at the moment.
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 494 2014-08-21 12:28:24 <dsnrk> there's groups like chain.com, bitnodes.io who are trying to have a socket open on every listening node.
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 496 2014-08-21 12:29:21 <amaclin> wasting traffic ;(
 497 2014-08-21 12:30:16 <wumpus> and wasting connection slots :(
 498 2014-08-21 12:30:24 <wumpus> at least this one stays connected
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 500 2014-08-21 12:30:37 <dsnrk> chain.com alone would be burning 7000 sockets over the whole network.
 501 2014-08-21 12:31:01 <dsnrk> bitnodes.io scanner slams the network with connections, and seems to even dump the mempool on every pass too.
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 503 2014-08-21 12:31:14 <dsnrk> ^ and they don't even publish their data anymore
 504 2014-08-21 12:31:35 <wumpus> I don't care about traffic so much, maybe I should send them some more :)
 505 2014-08-21 12:31:40 <amaclin> by the way. i usually execute my local bitcoin-qt with -maxconnections=1 and my node is not sniffer!
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 509 2014-08-21 12:33:17 <wumpus> it would be a very polite sniffer with only one connection
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 514 2014-08-21 12:36:34 <amaclin> but you will see only outgoing traffic from your node in your logs... and no assumption - do I use a sniffer or node with one connection
 515 2014-08-21 12:38:43 <wumpus> I've just booted it, lets see if it tries to reconnect
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 517 2014-08-21 12:39:20 <wumpus> yep  :( receive version message: .4: version 31402, blocks=315833, us=:8333, peer=13
 518 2014-08-21 12:40:24 <dsnrk> if history is anything to go by, it'll do that until the end of time. somebodies modified the source code from github.
 519 2014-08-21 12:43:48 <amaclin> what a stupid bot owners! first of all the bot shouldn't discover itself by such things. At least my bot doesn't :)
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 522 2014-08-21 12:46:48 <wumpus> well a normal node wouldn't keep reconnecting if it is booted
 523 2014-08-21 12:47:04 <wumpus> certainly not five times...
 524 2014-08-21 12:48:08 <amaclin> QTimer::singleShot ( 120 * 60 * 1000, this, SLOT ( restart ( ) ) );
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 529 2014-08-21 12:49:35 <Guest51612> Anyone here who's familiar with BitcoinJS ?
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 532 2014-08-21 12:50:57 <TheRingMaster> or, more particularly, anyone ever tried to compile/build/convert the BitcoinJS lib to a ready-to-use .js file ?
 533 2014-08-21 12:51:24 <TheRingMaster> because I'd like to use BitcoinJS in a html5 site but I don't use nodejs or anything
 534 2014-08-21 12:51:33 <hearn> dsnrk: hmm? the data is here: https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/
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 536 2014-08-21 12:52:14 <dsnrk> hearn: they used to provide SQL dumps, which aren't there anymore. they wouldn't enjoy me throwing hundreds of thousands of requests at them to build my graphs with.
 537 2014-08-21 12:54:38 <amaclin> the graph of all world nodes? hmm... what for?
 538 2014-08-21 12:54:49 <hearn> dsnrk: ask addy where they went?
 539 2014-08-21 12:55:34 <hearn> i wonder how we ended up with 1000 nodes reliably stuck/behind
 540 2014-08-21 12:56:19 <dsnrk> who is addy?
 541 2014-08-21 12:56:59 <hearn> the guy who runs that crawler
 542 2014-08-21 12:57:27 <wumpus> whoa it's really agressive, it just keeps reconnecting to me
 543 2014-08-21 12:57:39 <dsnrk> wumpus: told you.
 544 2014-08-21 12:57:48 <wumpus> even though tcpkill gets it before the version message is even sent
 545 2014-08-21 12:58:04 <dsnrk> hearn: right, I'll find a way to get in touch with them I guess.
 546 2014-08-21 12:58:22 <hearn> dsnrk: ayeowch@gmail.com
 547 2014-08-21 12:58:23 <wumpus> we need a 'buggeroff' P2P message
 548 2014-08-21 12:58:36 <dsnrk> well that "bitcoin sniffer" thing wouldn't support it
 549 2014-08-21 12:58:59 <dsnrk> hearn: k.
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 551 2014-08-21 13:00:19 <dsnrk> wumpus: would be nice to set up a honeypot of 9 nodes, and see who tries to connect to all of them.
 552 2014-08-21 13:00:22 <amaclin> isn't it possible to setup firewall to block incoming connections from that address for... a month?
 553 2014-08-21 13:00:40 <wumpus> amaclin: sure, but I like playing with it
 554 2014-08-21 13:01:00 <wumpus> dsnrk: good idea
 555 2014-08-21 13:01:10 <dsnrk> I'd do it but.. expensive.
 556 2014-08-21 13:03:00 <amaclin> dnsrk, let me in to this game. my bot connects to several nodes (~60 right now), but sends "getdata" packet only to first "inv"
 557 2014-08-21 13:03:07 <wumpus> amaclin: but indeed, something to auto-ban nodes that are too agressive in connection behavior for a while  would be nice, although it's hard to do in a way that wouldn't be risky to the network
 558 2014-08-21 13:04:08 <amaclin> wumpus, unfortunately, banning nodes is not a protocol level of client
 559 2014-08-21 13:04:50 <wumpus> amaclin: well we currently ban nodes for misbehavior too, but nothing that spans multiple connections
 560 2014-08-21 13:05:14 <amaclin> i know
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 567 2014-08-21 13:12:24 <wumpus> wwwhat, people are running salvagewallet to 'verify their wallet'? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/4747
 568 2014-08-21 13:12:46 <wumpus> come on, don't make me cry :/
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 571 2014-08-21 13:14:09 <dsnrk> and why are they importing private keys..
 572 2014-08-21 13:14:42 <dsnrk> as soon as you see that, you *know* they're doing something terribly wrong.
 573 2014-08-21 13:14:48 <hearn> hah
 574 2014-08-21 13:14:54 <hearn> welcome to the hell that is supporting real bitcoin users :)
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 578 2014-08-21 13:15:50 <dsnrk> like the guy who kept deleting his chainstate and blocks because his node was syncing too slowly.
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 580 2014-08-21 13:16:22 <dsnrk> or the one that was telling everybody to delete their block files to save space on running nodes
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 583 2014-08-21 13:17:52 <wumpus> lol...
 584 2014-08-21 13:18:54 <dsnrk> what's #4703 about?
 585 2014-08-21 13:19:11 <wumpus> another strange issue by the guy
 586 2014-08-21 13:19:33 <dsnrk> .. why is he trying to use the RPC server in google chrome
 587 2014-08-21 13:20:02 <helo> ssl!
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 590 2014-08-21 13:20:22 <aschildbach> I'm about to write a small script that takes the output of "bitcoin-cli getpeerinfo" and creates a bind9 zone file for it, in order to be used in a DNS seed setup. Did anyone do this already?
 591 2014-08-21 13:20:27 <helo> and json... sounds like web browser stuff to me
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 593 2014-08-21 13:20:51 <wumpus> a crash deep inside the windows kernel, an assertion without message, that happens every few hours
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 595 2014-08-21 13:21:07 <hearn> aschildbach: not that i'm aware of
 596 2014-08-21 13:21:13 <wumpus> both with bitcoind and bitcoin-qt, and no other reports of such an issue ever
 597 2014-08-21 13:21:25 <dsnrk> there's a confirm in there you missed
 598 2014-08-21 13:21:30 <dsnrk> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/4703#issuecomment-52486531
 599 2014-08-21 13:21:31 <hearn> aschildbach: sounds like a good idea though, although the output of getpeerinfo is largely static at the moment so i'd not want to point SPV clients at such a seed
 600 2014-08-21 13:21:45 <aschildbach> why is that static?
 601 2014-08-21 13:22:05 <wumpus> dsnrk: not so sure whether to believe that, or that he just asked someone to post in the issue
 602 2014-08-21 13:22:26 <aschildbach> I thought bitcoind is used for all seeds, just the method of getting the data from bitcoind to DNS differs.
 603 2014-08-21 13:22:53 <dsnrk> wumpus: good point.
 604 2014-08-21 13:22:56 <wumpus> most use sipa's crawler afaik
 605 2014-08-21 13:23:13 <wumpus> (which doesn't use bitcoind)
 606 2014-08-21 13:23:29 <wumpus> but doing it differently is fine
 607 2014-08-21 13:24:06 <wumpus> I'm not sure if publishing your getpeerinfo through DNS makes much sense though; that's only your peers, and they have a limited number of connection slots, which wil likely run out very soon if everyone connects to them
 608 2014-08-21 13:24:27 <dsnrk> eh, who knows. given they're also importing private keys.. who knows what is going on.
 609 2014-08-21 13:24:43 <aschildbach> The problem with the crawler is that it somehow uses a bad DNS implementation.
 610 2014-08-21 13:24:46 <wumpus> dsnrk: well I suspect a hardware issue of some kind
 611 2014-08-21 13:24:58 <aschildbach> I'm intent to use bind9.
 612 2014-08-21 13:25:02 <dsnrk> on amazon ec2?
 613 2014-08-21 13:25:07 <wumpus> ie, memory or hardware corruption
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 615 2014-08-21 13:25:53 <hearn> aschildbach: actually i'd prefer you export the data over HTTPS if you're going to do work on seeding :-)
 616 2014-08-21 13:26:01 <hearn> aschildbach: but at the moment bitcoind establishes peers and then doesn't rotate them
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 618 2014-08-21 13:26:06 <hearn> aschildbach: that's why we saw they'd run out of connection slots
 619 2014-08-21 13:26:27 <hearn> aschildbach: you could also try running sipa's crawler and connect it to bind somehow ....
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 621 2014-08-21 13:26:56 <wumpus> the crawler can export its data, which you could import into bind
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 623 2014-08-21 13:27:26 <aschildbach> wumpus: Can it just write a zone file?
 624 2014-08-21 13:27:36 <wumpus> aschildbach: I doubt it
 625 2014-08-21 13:27:51 <wumpus> though of course you can adapt it to do that
 626 2014-08-21 13:28:15 <aschildbach> I'll have a look at it, maybe I manage that despite my non-knowledge of C++
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 638 2014-08-21 13:43:27 <only> hi, has anyone tried installing this plugin -> http://wordpress.org/plugins/bitcoin-payments-for-woocommerce/
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 698 2014-08-21 15:24:53 <wumpus> cfields: can you make head or tails of this? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/4745
 699 2014-08-21 15:25:21 <cfields> wumpus: yea, saw that last night. It's on my list to poke for today
 700 2014-08-21 15:25:43 <wumpus> he basically says that the gitian build gets an unknown tag, which I'm pretty sure is not true, so I'm not sure what the problem is
 701 2014-08-21 15:25:44 <wumpus> ok
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 703 2014-08-21 15:25:57 <cfields> I think it works correctly due to the git archive thing, but i want to verify that it's actually working as intended
 704 2014-08-21 15:25:58 <cfields> right
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 710 2014-08-21 15:30:51 <wumpus> anyone have suggestions what absolutely should be in 0.9.3? we intend to do a bugfix-only release, so no new features. See https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commits/0.9.3 for what's already in
 711 2014-08-21 15:33:04 <poutine> gwillen, ?
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 714 2014-08-21 15:33:30 <poutine> gwillen, yeah that tx could have been stolen, it was a puzzle in a P2SH
 715 2014-08-21 15:33:30 <cfields> wumpus: i think i have a few, will make a list. but for sure the most recent osx font thing needs to go in
 716 2014-08-21 15:33:34 <cfields> sec for commit
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 719 2014-08-21 15:35:01 <cfields> wumpus: ah nm, that fixed a regression that's probably not in 0.9.3
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 721 2014-08-21 15:35:49 <wumpus> you mean the font substitution? I'd feel better merging it anyway
 722 2014-08-21 15:36:49 <cfields> yea, 292cc072f3bada256bc6af9970512eb9dec8d93a
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 725 2014-08-21 15:37:26 <cfields> i never saw it present before the separator changes, i don't think it would hurt
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 728 2014-08-21 15:41:37 <wumpus> OK, pushed that one and the openssl dep upgrade
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 731 2014-08-21 15:43:00 <cfields> There were a few build fixes, not sure if you want to pull any of those in
 732 2014-08-21 15:43:13 <cfields> namely the boost+arm hack
 733 2014-08-21 15:43:19 <wumpus> fixes, sure
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 735 2014-08-21 15:43:56 <wumpus> wtf, how did miniupnpc pull a version update without me noticing
 736 2014-08-21 15:44:13 <cfields> 54c7df81f3e5f81cb91646acaf82074a3a6be3b2
 737 2014-08-21 15:44:29 <wumpus> thanks
 738 2014-08-21 15:44:45 <cfields> wumpus: i looked at that when doing the deps, iirc there was nothing major in there
 739 2014-08-21 15:45:18 <wumpus> ....we can always call it bitcoin 0.9.2.20140821! :p
 740 2014-08-21 15:45:40 <cfields> heh
 741 2014-08-21 15:46:20 <cfields> hmm wait, that changelog doesn't look familiar. maybe i was thinking of another
 742 2014-08-21 15:46:54 <cfields> ah yea, i was thinking of qrencode. minor bump for that one
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 744 2014-08-21 15:48:14 <jeremyrubin> Hey I have a question on bloom filters, perhaps someone here may have an answer
 745 2014-08-21 15:49:10 <jeremyrubin> Or rather, I would like to make a "Set" which can only check contains, but can not be (easily) turned into a list of keys
 746 2014-08-21 15:49:27 <jeremyrubin> Is a bloom filter appropriate for this
 747 2014-08-21 15:49:40 <jeremyrubin> if I am OK with some false positives?
 748 2014-08-21 15:50:10 <jeremyrubin> Or are there better data structures for this purpose?
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 750 2014-08-21 15:51:01 <wumpus> if you are ok with false positives, a bloom filter seems to be the way to go, you can even control the number of false positives by setting the size of the filter
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 752 2014-08-21 15:52:33 <jeremyrubin> Cool -- do you know where I might read a formal proof, or any resources where I might prove for myself, the non-enumerable property?
 753 2014-08-21 15:53:26 <wumpus> whoa, I certainly get a lot of mails from researchers doing research into github participation, I must be  in some top-N list
 754 2014-08-21 15:54:36 <wumpus> jeremyrubin: no, I wouldn't know, but I'm sure there is lots of information to be found about bloom filters online
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 758 2014-08-21 15:56:30 <jeremyrubin> Cool I'll look into it. Thanks :) -- If you're curious about the use case, happy to tell you in a pm, it is for the MIT Bitcoin Study
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 765 2014-08-21 16:06:39 <cfields> wumpus: #4664 may need to go in, i'm not sure what introduced that symbol
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 768 2014-08-21 16:11:09 <jintelletec> hey guys. I'm wondering if anyone can help im looking for someone for a unique project with experience in C+11, C++ & Crypto
 769 2014-08-21 16:11:18 <jintelletec> ideally with 8 plus years experience
 770 2014-08-21 16:11:27 <wumpus> cfields: ok, going to pull those just to be sure
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 772 2014-08-21 16:11:55 <cfields> yea, should be safe
 773 2014-08-21 16:12:11 <cfields> wumpus: i think that's it from me (just went through my closed PRs)
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 775 2014-08-21 16:14:09 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: you need anything from me for 0.9.3?
 776 2014-08-21 16:16:57 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: well if you're missing any important fixes in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commits/0.9.3  let me know
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 823 2014-08-21 17:11:21 <jarekin> hi, i'm looking for the hd-wallet-rpc-calls of bitcoind, may someb give me an url do some code or documentation?
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 828 2014-08-21 17:15:10 <gmaxwell> jarekin: there are none.
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 830 2014-08-21 17:16:16 <jarekin> gmaxwell: okay, thanks
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 839 2014-08-21 17:22:22 <jarekin> gmaxwell: hm, may there is some straightforward code which only generates public keys from the extended public key? I know there are a lot of links in the bip32-file, but i'm not an cryptographer and i did not find a simple function that just takes the extend public key and child chain/number as arguments and outputs me the new child public key
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 841 2014-08-21 17:23:41 <kgk> jarekin: There is if you're using java
 842 2014-08-21 17:23:46 <kgk> https://github.com/bitcoinj/bitcoinj/blob/master/core/src/main/java/com/google/bitcoin/wallet/DeterministicKeyChain.java
 843 2014-08-21 17:23:54 <jarekin> kgk: thanks!
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 846 2014-08-21 17:26:23 <gmaxwell> jarekin: please do be careful, manual key management is tricky, and there are some ways you can screw yourself pretty good. (in particular, when you do non-hardened derrivation like that leaking any private key effectively leaks all the private keys in that chain)
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 848 2014-08-21 17:27:47 <jarekin> gmaxwell: yes, i read about that in the developer guide
 849 2014-08-21 17:28:59 <jarekin> gmaxwell: i'm planing to implement the often mentioned use case of an e-commerce-shop that creates pubkeys with the extended pubkey
 850 2014-08-21 17:29:29 <jarekin> so any private key should never exist accessable online
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 852 2014-08-21 17:30:13 <andytoshi> so your attack surface will just grow indefinitely and then when one key leaks every one does?
 853 2014-08-21 17:30:15 <andytoshi> don't do that
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 856 2014-08-21 17:32:18 <jarekin> hm, andytoshi: but as i understood, when u do the hardened-key-way u need the private key to generated additionall public keys, isn't that bad?
 857 2014-08-21 17:32:57 <gmaxwell> andytoshi: less of an issue if the keys are being periodically rotated (and/or swept)
 858 2014-08-21 17:33:28 <Luke-Jr> jarekin: pycoin can do this stuff i think
 859 2014-08-21 17:34:09 <andytoshi> jarekin: good q, i haven't yet looked at how HD keys are implemented
 860 2014-08-21 17:34:22 <gmaxwell> I feel somewhat regretful for disclosing the type-2 stuff on the world; with many wallets now using it as their exclusive key generation mechanism... but the webserver case it's still the best alternative.
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 862 2014-08-21 17:34:40 <jarekin> Luke-Jr: yes it can, i'm sure kgk's java class can do it as well, but i really am looking for a simple straight forward function (static) that takes the following arguments: extend publicy key, child chain, child number
 863 2014-08-21 17:36:28 <jarekin> actually im looking for a function (static) that does this: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0032.mediawiki#Public_parent_key_rarr_public_child_key
 864 2014-08-21 17:36:40 <Luke-Jr> $ genwallet --wallet-key xpub69BTh1CDQs6zk5Kemw6P1cG2hr7zaTBMvLpoiVB2um5dgjxfLygWvWjQZf6T4tu7R9HLcGsjfWfTbKMWk88FwxRmG9rxYSXkbPWg7d6LqYq --address --subkey 0/2/1
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 879 2014-08-21 17:53:01 <jarekin> Luke-Jr: https://github.com/richardkiss/pycoin/blob/master/pycoin/key/BIP32Node.py in line 229: there u see that it uses the private key to generate the public key, on a web server i don't have that private key available (of course ...)
 880 2014-08-21 17:53:34 <Luke-Jr> jarekin: the command I just pasted does not include a private key anywhere.
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 882 2014-08-21 17:54:43 <Luke-Jr> jarekin: notice the private key is only needed for the 'p' derivations. if I do 0p/2/1, i get an error "can't derive a private key from a public key"
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 885 2014-08-21 17:56:17 <jarekin> Luke-Jr: ah okay, so derrivation of private and public keys shares the same code...
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 901 2014-08-21 18:10:05 <jarekin> Luke-Jr: found it ;) https://github.com/richardkiss/pycoin/blob/master/pycoin/key/bip32.py line 89
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 965 2014-08-21 19:26:04 <sipa> BlueMatt: huh what?
 966 2014-08-21 19:26:18 <BlueMatt> <sipa> [08:16:43] BlueMatt: done!
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 994 2014-08-21 19:59:33 <maraoz> does anyone have ~100 testnet coins to spare? ms7YNZ1LtAW5KncyKkEZxKC4EPSPFJ7tDq
 995 2014-08-21 19:59:50 <Someguy123> [12:30:58] <*highlight> * SomeoneWeird sets mode: -o Someguy123 on #bitcoin-dev
 996 2014-08-21 19:59:51 <Someguy123> what?
 997 2014-08-21 19:59:58 <Someguy123> i'm not even an op...
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1020 2014-08-21 20:22:33 <Eliel> Someguy123: that doesn't prevent an op from removing your nonexistent ops :P
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1028 2014-08-21 20:32:39 <elichai2> Amp
1029 2014-08-21 20:32:41 <elichai2> ops
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1070 2014-08-21 21:24:20 <sipa> BlueMatt: you told me to sleep at night
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1086 2014-08-21 21:42:26 <maraoz> thanks to whoever pointed his testnet miners to my address :3
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