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   4 2014-08-30 00:00:56 <sipa> we already have a libbitcoin_wallet.a even
   5 2014-08-30 00:01:29 <jtimon> yeah, that's important
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   9 2014-08-30 00:06:02 <phantomcircuit> <lechuga_> has a design been considered where there is maybe a stream of utxo updates from node to wallet
  10 2014-08-30 00:06:10 <phantomcircuit> yes i considered that and actually implemented it
  11 2014-08-30 00:06:36 <phantomcircuit> however it's substantially more complicated than it sounds because you have to guarantee updates are applied in order
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  13 2014-08-30 00:07:57 <lechuga_> yeah theyd have to be sequence #'ed
  14 2014-08-30 00:08:08 <lechuga_> and the node would have to track all of that state as well
  15 2014-08-30 00:08:32 <lechuga_> which gets ugly
  16 2014-08-30 00:08:44 <phantomcircuit> lechuga_, basically the node has to save each update in a db forever
  17 2014-08-30 00:08:48 <phantomcircuit> which is nasty
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  20 2014-08-30 00:09:52 <phantomcircuit> an easier way to do it is to calculate the utxo delta for each block and store them for the last 100 blocks plus the utxo for block n-100
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  22 2014-08-30 00:09:58 <phantomcircuit> that should be enough to handle reorgs
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  27 2014-08-30 00:11:12 <phantomcircuit> but again
  28 2014-08-30 00:11:16 <phantomcircuit> it's pointless
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  30 2014-08-30 00:13:22 <gmaxwell> none of that stuff is needed for a wallet. _at all_.
  31 2014-08-30 00:14:08 <gmaxwell> Not unless you're andytoshi with the crazy wizards wallet, and he seemed to manage just fine with the  p2p protocol.
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  62 2014-08-30 00:34:09 <jrick> importaddress has some nice multibyte characters for comments, as well as json-rpc error strings, that don't display too nicely with editors without multibyte encoding support (obviously)
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  64 2014-08-30 00:34:36 <jrick> like:             throw JSONRPCError(RPC_WALLET_ERROR, "Error\302\240adding\302\240address\302\240to\302\240wallet");
  65 2014-08-30 00:35:05 <sipa> eh
  66 2014-08-30 00:35:08 <sipa> i don't see that
  67 2014-08-30 00:36:08 <jrick> they show as underscores if I use an editor with multibyte support
  68 2014-08-30 00:36:08 <sipa> hmm, those are not spaces though
  69 2014-08-30 00:36:23 <sipa> mcedit shows them as 0xA0 characters
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  71 2014-08-30 00:37:25 <sipa> should be fixed
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  74 2014-08-30 00:38:28 <sipa> jrick: only that line?
  75 2014-08-30 00:38:42 <jrick>         throw JSONRPCError(RPC_INVALID_ADDRESS_OR_KEY, "Invalid\302\240Bitcoin\302\240address or script");
  76 2014-08-30 00:38:48 <jrick>     //\302\240Whether\302\240to\302\240perform\302\240rescan\302\240after\302\240import
  77 2014-08-30 00:38:53 <phantomcircuit> sipa, is there someway to easily avoid bdb flushing for each keypool key added?
  78 2014-08-30 00:38:58 <jrick> 3 total, at least for this function
  79 2014-08-30 00:39:01 <sipa> phantomcircuit: -noflushwallet
  80 2014-08-30 00:39:03 <sipa> :)
  81 2014-08-30 00:39:04 <phantomcircuit> it would be nice if it happened just once when it finished
  82 2014-08-30 00:39:26 <phantomcircuit> no i mean when you're refilliing the keypool to temporarilly disable flush
  83 2014-08-30 00:39:36 <phantomcircuit> or i can see what that flag does and copy/pasta
  84 2014-08-30 00:40:21 <dgenr8> pondering wallet separation, i notice the presence of 1 watch-only address causes the entire chain to require checking on a rescan
  85 2014-08-30 00:40:51 <phantomcircuit> sipa, oh man i totally forgot there was a separate thread
  86 2014-08-30 00:40:55 <phantomcircuit> hmm
  87 2014-08-30 00:41:53 <sipa> dgenr8: there's no way to know the birth time of an imported address
  88 2014-08-30 00:42:10 <sipa> we once considered adding a birth timestamp to importprivkey
  89 2014-08-30 00:42:21 <sipa> but really, people should be using importwallet instead...
  90 2014-08-30 00:42:37 <sipa> though that should get support for watch-only too
  91 2014-08-30 00:42:45 <sipa> jrick: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4789/files
  92 2014-08-30 00:43:43 <jrick> sipa: looks right
  93 2014-08-30 00:44:33 <jrick> hahaha
  94 2014-08-30 00:44:34 <jrick> c8988460 (Pieter Wuille            2013-07-26 01:06:01 +0200 175)     //<C2><A0>Whether<C2><A0>to<C2><A0>perform<C2><A0>rescan<C2><A0>after<C2><A0>import
  95 2014-08-30 00:45:04 <sipa> :o
  96 2014-08-30 00:45:53 <phantomcircuit> sipa, lolololol
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  98 2014-08-30 00:47:34 <gmaxwell> who the ?! did that?
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 100 2014-08-30 00:47:49 * sipa or whoever rebased my commit before merge
 101 2014-08-30 00:48:00 * sipa probably
 102 2014-08-30 00:48:20 <gmaxwell> I assume they're non-breaking spaces. here are some for comparison: "     "
 103 2014-08-30 00:48:24 <Luke-Jr> a little unicode never hurt anyone <.<
 104 2014-08-30 00:48:36 <sipa> įņďêėđ, Ùńịĉơďé ĉħẫŗẫçţềŗś äřẻ ëpįċ ƒųň
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 106 2014-08-30 00:48:45 * Luke-Jr changes his mind.
 107 2014-08-30 00:49:03 <sipa> ooʇ uoıʇɐʇoɹ s,puıɯ ɹnoʎ ʍou puɐ
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 109 2014-08-30 00:49:22 <dgenr8> how does a rescan work when
 110 2014-08-30 00:49:29 <Luke-Jr> sipa: that'd be more impressive if you put your nick & timestamp at the right side of the line with it
 111 2014-08-30 00:49:40 <sipa> Luke-Jr: my irrsi plugin doesn't do that yet
 112 2014-08-30 00:49:51 <Luke-Jr> Konversation displays it correctly if you use RTL chars :P)
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 120 2014-08-30 00:54:37 <phantomcircuit> hmm
 121 2014-08-30 00:54:39 <phantomcircuit> local network
 122 2014-08-30 00:54:56 <phantomcircuit> MilliSleep(10) -> MilliSleep(1) 10x performance for ibd
 123 2014-08-30 00:55:11 <phantomcircuit> (at least for first ~150k blocks
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 125 2014-08-30 00:56:40 <DiabloD3> phantomcircuit: it shouldnt be sleeping at all during the initial download
 126 2014-08-30 00:56:45 <sipa> which MilliSleep ?
 127 2014-08-30 00:57:02 <phantomcircuit> the one in the main socket handling thread
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 129 2014-08-30 00:57:13 <phantomcircuit> DiabloD3, i switched it for both nodes
 130 2014-08-30 00:57:51 <DiabloD3> it shouldnt be sleeping at all anyhow
 131 2014-08-30 00:57:58 <DiabloD3> it should be waiting
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 133 2014-08-30 00:58:13 <DiabloD3> this is why god invented threads. he was wrong, but he still invented them.
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 135 2014-08-30 00:58:33 <phantomcircuit> DiabloD3, ThreadSocketHandler() sleeps for 10ms
 136 2014-08-30 00:58:47 <DiabloD3> yeah and it shouldnt.
 137 2014-08-30 00:58:52 <DiabloD3> thats a clear antipattern
 138 2014-08-30 00:58:54 <sipa> welcome to 100% cpu usage
 139 2014-08-30 00:59:05 <sipa> (yes, it can be solved)
 140 2014-08-30 00:59:07 <DiabloD3> sipa: not if its coded correctly
 141 2014-08-30 00:59:15 <DiabloD3> you're supposed to wait on sockets appropriately.
 142 2014-08-30 00:59:18 <sipa> phantomcircuit: #4230 removes the millisleep in the message handler
 143 2014-08-30 01:00:09 <sipa> we do wait, actually
 144 2014-08-30 01:00:20 <sipa> i'm not sure that exact millisleep is very useful
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 154 2014-08-30 01:12:26 <sipa> jgarzik: yes
 155 2014-08-30 01:12:29 <phantomcircuit> sipa, actually that doesn't look like it's needed
 156 2014-08-30 01:12:44 <phantomcircuit> the select has a timeout already
 157 2014-08-30 01:12:47 <sipa> jgarzik: but also support each handler to have its own state
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 160 2014-08-30 01:12:57 <sipa> which can either be per-node or per-peer
 161 2014-08-30 01:14:12 * jgarzik shall ponder during kid bedtime
 162 2014-08-30 01:14:19 <sipa> jgarzik: i have some well-worked-out ideas, but haven't gotten around to implement them
 163 2014-08-30 01:14:31 <sipa> jgarzik: plan to do so in the next weeks
 164 2014-08-30 01:14:51 <sipa> in any case, wait for #4230 to land
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 168 2014-08-30 01:19:28 <phantomcircuit> sipa, yeah that millisleep is useless and should be removed
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 170 2014-08-30 01:19:34 <phantomcircuit> oh wait actually
 171 2014-08-30 01:19:44 <phantomcircuit> if you have zero connections that would infinite loop i think
 172 2014-08-30 01:19:56 <phantomcircuit> either way it can probably be 99% eliminated
 173 2014-08-30 01:20:11 <sipa> ok, so have a boolean that checks whether some work was performed inside the loop
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 177 2014-08-30 01:20:33 <sipa> where waiting a non-zero amount of time also counts as work
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 187 2014-08-30 01:22:39 <phantomcircuit> sipa, no im wrong it already does that
 188 2014-08-30 01:22:46 <phantomcircuit> that sleep is useless
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 190 2014-08-30 01:23:14 <phantomcircuit> if the select call fails it sleep for MilliSleep(timeout.tv_usec/1000);
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 197 2014-08-30 01:24:24 <phantomcircuit> gavinandresen, MilliSleep(timeout.tv_usec/1000);
 198 2014-08-30 01:24:30 <phantomcircuit> what's the point of that?
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 206 2014-08-30 01:25:39 <phantomcircuit> sipa, it's sleeping for like 1000th of the normal sleep time though
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 208 2014-08-30 01:25:49 <sipa> usec = microseconds
 209 2014-08-30 01:25:57 <sipa> /1000 = milliseconds
 210 2014-08-30 01:25:57 <phantomcircuit> actually gavin didn't decide on that timeing he just changed from Sleep to MilliSleep
 211 2014-08-30 01:26:04 <phantomcircuit> oh right
 212 2014-08-30 01:26:05 <phantomcircuit> derp
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 214 2014-08-30 01:26:27 <sipa> so yes, i think that millisleep(10) can just go
 215 2014-08-30 01:26:29 <phantomcircuit> ok so then the sleep at the end of the function is entirely useless
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 220 2014-08-30 01:28:15 <phantomcircuit> sipa, #4790
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 222 2014-08-30 01:28:47 <sipa> some argumentation why it's unnecessary may be useful
 223 2014-08-30 01:28:51 <sipa> in the PR
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 361 2014-08-30 03:35:17 <wumpus> sleep is entirely pointless
 362 2014-08-30 03:35:23 <wumpus> :-)
 363 2014-08-30 03:35:28 <phantomcircuit> wumpus, lawl
 364 2014-08-30 03:35:51 <phantomcircuit> no but srsly low latency link i removed that sleep from both ends
 365 2014-08-30 03:35:57 <phantomcircuit> 80MB/s transfer for ibd
 366 2014-08-30 03:35:59 <Luke-Jr> my wife gets mad if I skip it tho
 367 2014-08-30 03:36:41 <wumpus> phantomcircuit: sure, I agree
 368 2014-08-30 03:36:58 <wumpus> phantomcircuit: fixed sleeps generally make no sense in code
 369 2014-08-30 03:38:29 <wumpus> pegging the CPU in a tight loop *when we're actually doing something* is not a problem
 370 2014-08-30 03:39:22 <wumpus> it it would needlessly loop there would be a bug in the code
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 374 2014-08-30 03:40:54 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: proably because it makes you grumpy
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 378 2014-08-30 03:43:14 <wumpus> lol@#4789, let's see if the source has any other weird characters in it
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 380 2014-08-30 03:43:49 <jrick> wumpus: there weren't any more introduced from that commit
 381 2014-08-30 03:43:55 <jrick> no idea about the rest of the tree
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 391 2014-08-30 03:56:17 <phantomcircuit> wumpus, ha
 392 2014-08-30 03:56:24 <phantomcircuit> there's a bunch of random stalls
 393 2014-08-30 03:56:42 <phantomcircuit> the bitcoind that's pushing blocks is being used by a pool
 394 2014-08-30 03:56:56 <phantomcircuit> looks like the block creation code could use some performance improvements
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 396 2014-08-30 03:58:21 <wumpus> ./src/rpcdump.cpp: Found weird characters " "
 397 2014-08-30 03:58:21 <wumpus> ./src/json/json_spirit_writer_template.h: Found weird characters "‘,’"
 398 2014-08-30 03:58:21 <wumpus> ./src/qt/bitcoinunits.cpp: Found weird characters "μ"
 399 2014-08-30 03:58:33 <wumpus> no PILE OF POOs at least
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 405 2014-08-30 04:05:39 <dcousens> hey all :), anyone able to elaborate http://webbtc.com/tx/d65bb24f6289dad27f0f7e75e80e187d9b189a82dcf5a86fb1c6f8ff2b2c190f.json for me?  Specifically the scriptSig on the coinbase.
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 407 2014-08-30 04:07:49 <dcousens> is it just an odd coinbase in that it is a custom input script that anyone could have spent? (aka, no signature check)
 408 2014-08-30 04:08:23 <wumpus> coinbases do not have input scripts
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 410 2014-08-30 04:09:40 <dcousens> wumpus: good point (just waking up), so what is in the scriptSig
 411 2014-08-30 04:11:14 <wumpus> arbitrary data
 412 2014-08-30 04:11:19 <wumpus> and the block height
 413 2014-08-30 04:12:16 <phantomcircuit> which reminds me
 414 2014-08-30 04:12:26 <phantomcircuit> wumpus, the block version check should be changed
 415 2014-08-30 04:12:31 <phantomcircuit> it cant be downgraded anyways
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 451 2014-08-30 05:35:29 <phantomcircuit> 2014-08-30 05:19:22 UpdateTip: new best=0000000000000000059bc21a6f94dbdac904fa8bbba80546c7df3515c0841dc9  height=318194  log2_work=80.428647  tx=45621520  date=2014-08-30 05:19:50 progress=1.000001
 452 2014-08-30 05:35:30 <phantomcircuit> 2014-08-30 03:40:29 UpdateTip: new best=00000000839a8e6886ab5951d76f411475428afc90947ee320161bbf18eb6048  height=1  log2_work=33.000022  tx=2  date=2009-01-09 02:54:25 progress=0.000000
 453 2014-08-30 05:35:58 <phantomcircuit> 40 minutes ridiculous server p2p protocol after removing 10ms delay
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 455 2014-08-30 05:45:23 <dgenr8> phantomcircuit: that is great. look forward to trying it on the WAN and with headers first
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 457 2014-08-30 05:48:19 <phantomcircuit> dgenr8, wont be better, probably will be worse
 458 2014-08-30 05:48:24 <phantomcircuit> but not necessarilly
 459 2014-08-30 05:48:39 <wumpus> why?
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 461 2014-08-30 05:51:42 <phantomcircuit> wumpus, because at peak i was pushing 110MB/s
 462 2014-08-30 05:51:50 <phantomcircuit> hard to do that over the internetz
 463 2014-08-30 05:52:01 <phantomcircuit> also this is on a like
 464 2014-08-30 05:52:03 <phantomcircuit> 15k server
 465 2014-08-30 05:52:23 <wumpus> oh, I thought you meant that it would be worse with headers first, sure, with a slower network connection it'sworse :)
 466 2014-08-30 05:52:54 <phantomcircuit> fun fact
 467 2014-08-30 05:53:02 <phantomcircuit> at no time was the load > 11
 468 2014-08-30 05:54:06 <phantomcircuit> wumpus, why is getheaders so limited btw?
 469 2014-08-30 05:54:17 <phantomcircuit> seems a bit willy compared to the getdata limits
 470 2014-08-30 05:54:29 <wumpus> no idea
 471 2014-08-30 05:56:29 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, ^
 472 2014-08-30 05:56:34 <phantomcircuit> ecf07f27 src/main.cpp (Matt Corallo             2012-03-19 00:13:15 -0400 3828)         int nLimit = 2000;
 473 2014-08-30 05:59:42 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: that commit made the code do what it read like it was intended to do (and what everyone assumed it did)
 474 2014-08-30 05:59:51 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: the 2k limit is a satoshi-era thing
 475 2014-08-30 06:02:20 <phantomcircuit> the limit probably should be increased
 476 2014-08-30 06:02:25 <phantomcircuit> it just doesn't make much sense
 477 2014-08-30 06:02:38 <phantomcircuit> 40kB limit when getdata is like 5MB
 478 2014-08-30 06:04:18 <wumpus> I'd say propose it on the mailing list
 479 2014-08-30 06:06:05 <wumpus> not sure if it would break all kinds of SPV clients if we suddenly started sending more
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1610 2014-08-30 21:19:14 <joedoe-> hello, how long VERSION message is? 108 bytes?
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1614 2014-08-30 21:24:45 <sipa> depends
1615 2014-08-30 21:24:55 <sipa> some of the fields in it are optional
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1644 2014-08-30 22:04:05 <BlueMatt> so rumor has it gfw is blocking bitcoin p2p
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1648 2014-08-30 22:11:57 <Eliel> sounds like a futile attempt to prevent people from using bitcoin...
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1653 2014-08-30 22:19:02 <BlueMatt> and a legitimate fork risk
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1655 2014-08-30 22:19:57 <coryfields> BlueMatt: mm, i'm headed there in about 1.5 months. could help experiment if still necessary
1656 2014-08-30 22:21:18 <BlueMatt> well I think the point is we need to have infrastructure in place to ensure blocks can hop the gfw
1657 2014-08-30 22:23:03 * coryfields adds QQ support to bitcoind
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1661 2014-08-30 22:25:00 <sipa> QQ?
1662 2014-08-30 22:26:26 <coryfields> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent_QQ
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1665 2014-08-30 22:29:21 <coryfields> BlueMatt: any idea what could be causing this on the new pull-tester: https://travis-ci.org/coryfields/bitcoin/jobs/33344279#L1782 ?
1666 2014-08-30 22:29:53 <coryfields> it happens only randomly (maybe 1/20 runs) and always after b67
1667 2014-08-30 22:30:35 <coryfields> gmaxwell suggested it may be a VM/memory issue. Figured I'd get your opinion before I start throwing random values into the test environment to test
1668 2014-08-30 22:31:25 <gmaxwell> wumpus: I'm really not happy about proliferating more and more regtest setups.
1669 2014-08-30 22:32:32 <gmaxwell> wumpus: it means keeping track of more special case conditionals in production code, and keeping around varrious checks for this mode vs that mode.
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1674 2014-08-30 22:36:03 <BlueMatt> coryfields: what jar are you even running???
1675 2014-08-30 22:36:12 <BlueMatt> those line numbers dont match to anything I can find
1676 2014-08-30 22:36:16 <coryfields> BlueMatt: apparently an ancient one
1677 2014-08-30 22:36:17 <coryfields> same
1678 2014-08-30 22:36:43 <BlueMatt> go build a new one
1679 2014-08-30 22:37:04 <coryfields> BlueMatt: I grabbed the ones from your git repo. I believe sipa verified they're the same as what's on the current pull-tester
1680 2014-08-30 22:37:23 <BlueMatt> I have a git repo?
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1682 2014-08-30 22:37:37 <BlueMatt> you should go build a new one
1683 2014-08-30 22:38:22 <coryfields> ok
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1685 2014-08-30 22:40:58 <sipa> BlueMatt: if he's using the same jar as pulltester, it shouldn't be randomly failing
1686 2014-08-30 22:41:11 <sipa> BlueMatt: and if it does, it's unlikely to be solved by upgrading to something else?
1687 2014-08-30 22:41:35 <BlueMatt> sipa: well, I cant debug it unless the line numbers match up to...something
1688 2014-08-30 22:41:44 <sipa> fair enough
1689 2014-08-30 22:42:11 <coryfields> BlueMatt: would it be possible for a linked list to get busted like that if it hit a mem limit?
1690 2014-08-30 22:42:16 <coryfields> or would it always throw an out of mem?
1691 2014-08-30 22:42:37 <BlueMatt> no, thats reading from disk
1692 2014-08-30 22:42:39 <BlueMatt> or...should be
1693 2014-08-30 22:42:51 <BlueMatt> assuming you're running with the "do a full test" parameter
1694 2014-08-30 22:42:55 <BlueMatt> oh, wait, isnt that still broken?
1695 2014-08-30 22:43:20 <coryfields> it's not the full reorg
1696 2014-08-30 22:43:25 <BlueMatt> oh
1697 2014-08-30 22:43:45 <BlueMatt> well, then yea, its in memory...but no, it should get an OutOfMemoryException then
1698 2014-08-30 22:43:51 <sipa> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1245869 2013-10-27 20:00 BitcoindComparisonTool.jar
1699 2014-08-30 22:43:55 <coryfields> hmm, disk full then, maybe?
1700 2014-08-30 22:43:56 <sipa> ^- used by pulltester
1701 2014-08-30 22:44:04 <BlueMatt> no
1702 2014-08-30 22:44:06 <BlueMatt> shouldnt be
1703 2014-08-30 22:46:46 <sipa> BlueMatt: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/test-scripts
1704 2014-08-30 22:46:48 <sipa> last commit
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1708 2014-08-30 22:52:30 <gmaxwell> Am I just in a foul moot today or is it insane to add unit test that will randomly fail if things are changed? (the 'unittest' chain with the target set such that the current tests all just happen to pass with no mining loop)
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1710 2014-08-30 22:55:32 <sipa> ?
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1714 2014-08-30 22:58:42 <gmaxwell> #4732 introduces yet another regtest network, but with the difficulty turned way down so that the unit tests it introduces don't need a mining loop.
1715 2014-08-30 22:59:24 <gmaxwell> except if you change any of them, perhaps they will, depending on the will of the hashing gods.
1716 2014-08-30 23:00:51 <kanzure> what's the point of changing the difficulty if the tests aren't about mining?
1717 2014-08-30 23:01:05 <kanzure> why not just instant return
1718 2014-08-30 23:01:42 <sipa> more conditionals
1719 2014-08-30 23:01:56 <sipa> though we're already doing unnecessarily many of those
1720 2014-08-30 23:02:00 <gmaxwell> I'm a little irritated that I recommended to sergio that he change regtest to suit his needs because I didn't want him peppering the code with changes as he did in the first patch; and Mike (you know, the same guy who was going around on the internet saying bitcoind didn't have any tests at all two days ago) shows up and tells him not to change regtest for compatiblity with bitcoinj. (!?!?)
1721 2014-08-30 23:02:30 <kanzure> that's what you get for paying attention, i guess
1722 2014-08-30 23:03:24 <sipa> i don't really care about more network, as long as they're just changing some parameters that already exist
1723 2014-08-30 23:03:28 <kanzure> what do they do for tests in bitcoinj or btcd? do they set a low mining difficulty, or do they just replace mining entirely?
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1729 2014-08-30 23:07:00 <kanzure> https://github.com/bitcoinj/bitcoinj/tree/master/core/src/test/java/com/google/bitcoin
1730 2014-08-30 23:08:52 <gmaxwell> sipa: it just seems stupid to me to have another set of parameters for really no obvious reason, not the end of the world— but the goal is to basically have yet another low but not zero difficulty so that mining loops can be left out of the test until they start failing because of some change, and then we'll need yet another stupid parameter set to lower the threshold further or something idiotic like that.
1731 2014-08-30 23:10:14 <sipa> isn't regtest easy enough?
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1733 2014-08-30 23:11:29 <gmaxwell> It's very easy but you still need a loop.
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1735 2014-08-30 23:12:40 <sipa> i'll have a look at the PR
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1737 2014-08-30 23:16:07 <sipa> humm
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1748 2014-08-30 23:51:23 <coryfields> BlueMatt: fyi, current bitcoinj pull-tester borks against current bitcoind. it seems to assume getutxos is present and bails when it's not
1749 2014-08-30 23:52:06 <BlueMatt> wat?
1750 2014-08-30 23:52:06 <coryfields> er.. current bitcoinj comparisontool
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1752 2014-08-30 23:52:52 <BlueMatt> well thats dumb
1753 2014-08-30 23:52:55 <BlueMatt> you should revert https://github.com/bitcoinj/bitcoinj/commit/96e4774e79f242c1cdd16baad87bd2251e9b1b7f
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1759 2014-08-30 23:53:43 <coryfields> BlueMatt: yea, i reverted to the commit before that and it works fine
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