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  43 2014-09-08 01:11:12 <Delta706> I am interested in the idea of bitcoin pledges
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  45 2014-09-08 01:13:38 <justanotheruser> Delta706: what about it?
  46 2014-09-08 01:13:48 <petertodd> michagogo: well, get wallet software that will never spend that dust - problem solved
  47 2014-09-08 01:14:18 <petertodd> michagogo: remember that spending the dust does *not* make you more private, and at worst will reveal further information about you
  48 2014-09-08 01:14:41 <Delta706> suppose I want to pledge some money to a project, on condition that enough people sign up
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  51 2014-09-08 01:16:01 <Delta706> so I could sign some pledge with my private key, indicating some trusted person can invoke the pledge
  52 2014-09-08 01:16:35 <justanotheruser> Delta706: you could also do a large coinjoin between all pledgers
  53 2014-09-08 01:17:03 <Delta706> ah, what is that?
  54 2014-09-08 01:17:22 <Luke-Jr> Delta706: just sign a transaction paying N BTC to the recipient, but only having <N BTC as an input
  55 2014-09-08 01:17:37 <Luke-Jr> Delta706: then have all contributors do the same, and anyone can combine them into a single transaction
  56 2014-09-08 01:18:24 <Delta706> anyone? even someone not trusted?
  57 2014-09-08 01:18:40 <poutine> Can't you do with an ANYONECANPAY transaction?
  58 2014-09-08 01:19:12 <Luke-Jr> Delta706: there is no need for a trusted party.
  59 2014-09-08 01:19:21 <Luke-Jr> poutine: this would have to be, yes
  60 2014-09-08 01:19:46 <Delta706> ah, then that is different
  61 2014-09-08 01:20:00 <Delta706> I want the pledge to indicate an address to trust
  62 2014-09-08 01:20:05 <Luke-Jr> Delta706: the only difference I see is that yours requires a trusted party for no reason/benefit
  63 2014-09-08 01:21:01 <Delta706> the reason for the trustee is because of additional conditions on the pledge
  64 2014-09-08 01:21:20 <Luke-Jr> what additional conditions?
  65 2014-09-08 01:22:01 <Delta706> suppose the pledge is to raise money for a computer for a hospital
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  67 2014-09-08 01:22:21 <Delta706> the trustee can then choose not to invoke it, if the hospital closes
  68 2014-09-08 01:24:03 <justanotheruser> Delta706: that doesn't seem to add anything. The hospital will have the funds at the point when they want to buy the computer. You can sign the coinjoin at that point
  69 2014-09-08 01:24:56 <Delta706> then you might as well pay at that point as well
  70 2014-09-08 01:25:05 <Delta706> and forget about pledges
  71 2014-09-08 01:25:48 <justanotheruser> well if you pledge with a group you know you won't end up giving them 0.1btc when they need 1btc leaving them 0.9 short
  72 2014-09-08 01:26:57 <Delta706> but that works in my system too
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  75 2014-09-08 01:28:13 <justanotheruser> If you don't care if you reach the crowdfunding goal and the group needs to invest the money to get your/their product then there is no reason to do anything other than paying them directly and trusting them to pay you
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  77 2014-09-08 01:29:02 <Delta706> so you are saying trust them to repay you
  78 2014-09-08 01:29:08 <Delta706> that is a payment, not a pledge
  79 2014-09-08 01:29:21 <justanotheruser> s/pay you/follow their contract
  80 2014-09-08 01:30:09 <Delta706> are there contracts in the block chain?
  81 2014-09-08 01:30:25 <justanotheruser> of course
  82 2014-09-08 01:30:43 <justanotheruser> you cant make invalid blocks and blocks containing invalid transactions are invalid
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  84 2014-09-08 01:30:57 <Delta706> those are transactions
  85 2014-09-08 01:31:30 <justanotheruser> ?
  86 2014-09-08 01:31:37 <Delta706> not contracts
  87 2014-09-08 01:32:39 <justanotheruser> what exactly is your question? Please ask in #bitcoin
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 558 2014-09-08 13:37:28 <michagogo> Hm, seeing something weird...
 559 2014-09-08 13:38:17 <michagogo> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/VBNIXKkE
 560 2014-09-08 13:38:30 <michagogo> Both of them running, both the same binary
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 562 2014-09-08 13:38:41 * michagogo wonders might be going on
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 564 2014-09-08 13:39:39 <bsm117532> netstat -anp | grep 8333
 565 2014-09-08 13:40:08 <bsm117532> I bet one is not.  Or, one is still starting up.  (It checks the last 280 or so blocks on startup, and only opens the port after it's done, IIRC)
 566 2014-09-08 13:40:18 <michagogo> bsm117532: nah, I checked debug.log
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 568 2014-09-08 13:40:36 <michagogo> I first noticed it when I noticed that the mainnet node only had outgoing connections
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 570 2014-09-08 13:41:02 <michagogo> Trying a different port now and seeing what happens
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 572 2014-09-08 13:41:40 <michagogo> $ nc -zv 127.0.0.1 12321
 573 2014-09-08 13:41:40 <michagogo> nc: connect to 127.0.0.1 port 12321 (tcp) failed: Connection refused
 574 2014-09-08 13:42:17 <michagogo> (started like this: screen -dmS mbitcoind gdb -ex "set debug timestamp on" -ex run --args bitcoind --datadir=/home/micha/.bitcoin_main --port=12321)
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 580 2014-09-08 13:44:58 <michagogo> Hmm.
 581 2014-09-08 13:45:08 <michagogo> I may have found it
 582 2014-09-08 13:45:13 <michagogo> In testnet log: 2014-09-08 13:24:28 Bound to [::]:18333
 583 2014-09-08 13:45:13 <michagogo> 2014-09-08 13:24:28 Bound to 0.0.0.0:18333
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 585 2014-09-08 13:45:34 <michagogo> mainnet log has this: 2014-09-08 13:33:48 Bound to 127.0.0.1:xyz
 586 2014-09-08 13:46:02 <michagogo> (the whitelist port)
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 589 2014-09-08 13:46:54 <michagogo> So initial diagnosis would be that -whitebind replaces the regular bind, rather than adding to it? o_O
 590 2014-09-08 13:47:32 <sipa> ... that shouldn't be
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 593 2014-09-08 13:47:49 <michagogo> sipa: agreed
 594 2014-09-08 13:48:02 <michagogo> I just commented out whitebind, let's see...
 595 2014-09-08 13:48:05 <sipa> michagogo: ah
 596 2014-09-08 13:48:08 <michagogo> yep
 597 2014-09-08 13:48:09 <michagogo> 2014-09-08 13:41:22 Bound to [::]:8333
 598 2014-09-08 13:48:09 <michagogo> 2014-09-08 13:41:22 Bound to 0.0.0.0:8333
 599 2014-09-08 13:48:17 <sipa> if you *only* specify -whitebind, then that is the only binding
 600 2014-09-08 13:48:26 <sipa> is that counterintuitive?
 601 2014-09-08 13:48:27 <michagogo> That's...
 602 2014-09-08 13:48:28 <michagogo> yes
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 607 2014-09-08 13:48:51 <michagogo> More importantly, not documented
 608 2014-09-08 13:49:01 <sipa> idea was: if you specify how to bind (in any way), we shouldn't do anything by default
 609 2014-09-08 13:49:03 <michagogo> (first thing I did when I saw that was read the --help text)
 610 2014-09-08 13:49:28 <sipa> ok, needs documenting for sure
 611 2014-09-08 13:49:40 <michagogo> It makes sense to not do anything by default if you specify a bind
 612 2014-09-08 13:49:42 <sipa> but how would you otherwise configure that you *only* want a whitebind?
 613 2014-09-08 13:49:52 <michagogo> listen=0?
 614 2014-09-08 13:50:01 <michagogo> Hm
 615 2014-09-08 13:50:04 <sipa> that will disable listening entirely
 616 2014-09-08 13:50:35 <michagogo> I'd think, as a user, that whitebind would be independent of the regular listen/bind system
 617 2014-09-08 13:50:56 <michagogo> If you use whitebind, anyone connecting to that port is a special case, not just another peer
 618 2014-09-08 13:51:52 <sipa> hmm, interesting
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 620 2014-09-08 13:52:07 <sipa> -whitebind for me is "just some additional -bind, but with a special property"
 621 2014-09-08 13:52:23 <sipa> it not listening in any special way, and not binding in any special way
 622 2014-09-08 13:52:29 <sipa> -listen=0 means to me: don't listen
 623 2014-09-08 13:52:31 <michagogo> Also, it's annoying that `bitcoind --help` creates an empty ~/.bitcoin
 624 2014-09-08 13:53:05 <sipa> anyway, agree that it at least needs to be documented
 625 2014-09-08 13:53:43 <michagogo> Maybe I'm misunderstanding what whitebind was designed for
 626 2014-09-08 13:53:47 <wumpus> well in that case wouldn't it make sense to use the same option but add a flag, ie -bind a.b.c.d:e,white ?
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 628 2014-09-08 13:54:19 <wumpus> I agree it's somewhat confusing that -bind and -whitebind interfere with each other, but also agree it should be possible to have just whitebinds
 629 2014-09-08 13:54:41 <michagogo> Personally, I'd think the intuitive way would be to separate -whitebind completely
 630 2014-09-08 13:55:01 <wumpus> not sure about that, and what if later on we want to add yet another attribute to binds
 631 2014-09-08 13:55:10 <sipa> wumpus: using some suffix on -bind is fine to me
 632 2014-09-08 13:55:12 <wumpus> -blackbind -whitebind -yellowbind :p
 633 2014-09-08 13:55:19 <sipa> -rainbowbind
 634 2014-09-08 13:55:23 <michagogo> I think of it as "a way to give trusted software that speaks p2p access"
 635 2014-09-08 13:55:34 <wumpus> sipa: +1 for that one
 636 2014-09-08 13:55:48 <sipa> wumpus: ,white is maybe confusing, as a comma is a separator
 637 2014-09-08 13:56:00 <sipa> but bikeshed :)
 638 2014-09-08 13:56:15 <michagogo> Not as just another bind that has a special property
 639 2014-09-08 13:56:28 <wumpus> in a sane configuration language you'd have something like bind ip:port { options whitelist; }
 640 2014-09-08 13:56:36 <sipa> michagogo: you can do the same with -bind + -whitelist
 641 2014-09-08 13:56:43 <michagogo> (more akin to rpc than p2p, in terms of how it's treated)
 642 2014-09-08 13:57:12 <michagogo> sipa: not exactly
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 644 2014-09-08 13:57:22 <sipa> michagogo: if you only want -whitebind, i mean
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 647 2014-09-08 13:57:28 <michagogo> Specifically, not if you're expecting both trusted and untrusted software
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 649 2014-09-08 13:57:32 <michagogo> sipa: ah, right
 650 2014-09-08 13:58:11 <michagogo> But it's the kind of thing that I'd say I probably never want to open to the internet, for example
 651 2014-09-08 13:58:20 <sipa> michagogo: absolutely
 652 2014-09-08 13:58:28 <sipa> i know it's not exactly identical to -bind + -whitelist; i suggested having -whitebind in the first place because otherwise you can't distinguish tor connections from localhost connections
 653 2014-09-08 13:58:59 <sipa> but imho -whitebind clearly implies -listen, just like -bind...
 654 2014-09-08 13:59:05 <sipa> anyway, semantics :)
 655 2014-09-08 13:59:13 <michagogo> Which, to me, suggests it should be treated more like rpc in terms of the binding, etc
 656 2014-09-08 13:59:24 <sipa> PRs welcome :)
 657 2014-09-08 13:59:37 <michagogo> I wish I could :-/
 658 2014-09-08 13:59:51 * michagogo doesn't know C++...
 659 2014-09-08 14:00:03 <sipa> then what are you waiting for? :p
 660 2014-09-08 14:00:15 <michagogo> I know some Ruby, and I find I can often read code and get a sense of what's going on
 661 2014-09-08 14:00:47 <michagogo> For now, though, will adding bind= lines for 0.0.0.0:18333 and [::]:18333 work?
 662 2014-09-08 14:00:50 <michagogo> erm, 8333*
 663 2014-09-08 14:01:09 <sipa> sure
 664 2014-09-08 14:01:19 <michagogo> great
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 668 2014-09-08 14:03:08 <aschildbach> I wonder if OP_CHECKMULTISIG with 0 signatures and 0 pubkeys is supposed to return 1 or 0?
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 670 2014-09-08 14:04:52 <sipa> aschildbach: is valid
 671 2014-09-08 14:04:58 <sipa> there's a unit test for that
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 677 2014-09-08 14:12:03 <aschildbach> sipa: Ok thanks. This causes the "0 0 0 CHECKMULTISIG 0 0 CHECKMULTISIG 0 0..." check in script_valid.json to violate the "null dummy" check. Are you aware of that?
 678 2014-09-08 14:13:21 <aschildbach> sipa: I'm re-implementing this check for bitcoinj and want to evaluate if I need to disable this check for the script_*.json tests generally.
 679 2014-09-08 14:13:35 <michagogo> Hm, interesting
 680 2014-09-08 14:14:03 <michagogo> So the checkmultisig evals to true, and then the next checkmultisig pops off the 0 0, and then takes the extra...
 681 2014-09-08 14:14:06 <michagogo> hmm
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 683 2014-09-08 14:15:05 <michagogo> Was that just written before the null dummy rule existed, before anyone thought the vallue of the dummy item could be important?
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 686 2014-09-08 14:15:46 <sipa> aschildbach: null dummy check?
 687 2014-09-08 14:16:14 <michagogo> sipa: I assume he means the rule for the dummy being 0
 688 2014-09-08 14:16:40 <sipa> oh, of course
 689 2014-09-08 14:16:42 <sipa> aschildbach: interesting
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 691 2014-09-08 14:17:11 <sipa> aschildbach: that's a bug in the null dummy check, imho
 692 2014-09-08 14:17:15 <michagogo> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/0de61e7585e14cb552e985934fc5ddfeb6e8bd67/src/test/data/tx_invalid.json#L85
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 694 2014-09-08 14:17:27 <michagogo> sipa: why is it a bug?
 695 2014-09-08 14:17:39 <michagogo> The input is the output of the previous checkmultisig
 696 2014-09-08 14:17:51 <michagogo> It passes, so it's non-zerp
 697 2014-09-08 14:17:53 <michagogo> zero*
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 702 2014-09-08 14:18:13 <sipa> wait, maybe i'm misunderstanding
 703 2014-09-08 14:18:42 <michagogo> The script is "0 0 0 CHECKMULTISIG 0 0 CHECKMULTISIG 0 0..."
 704 2014-09-08 14:18:59 <michagogo> Then the first checkmultisig passes and you end up with "1 0 0 CHECKMULTISIG 0 0..."
 705 2014-09-08 14:19:05 <aschildbach> The check is behaving correctly in my opinion. The question is more if we want the check to be active for the JSON tests
 706 2014-09-08 14:19:16 <michagogo> Then the second checkmultisig has a non-zero dummy
 707 2014-09-08 14:19:27 <aschildbach> If we want that, we need to fix the mentioned test and maybe the next.
 708 2014-09-08 14:19:29 <sipa> aah, now i get it
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 710 2014-09-08 14:19:49 <sipa> sorry, i thought you meant that using 0 pubkeys/0 sigs would allow one to violate the null dummy requirement
 711 2014-09-08 14:19:56 <michagogo> Nope
 712 2014-09-08 14:20:09 <michagogo> And we do specifically check for that rule in tx_invalid.json#L85
 713 2014-09-08 14:20:39 <michagogo> (assuming the comments are accurate :-) )
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 715 2014-09-08 14:20:52 <aschildbach> michagogo: Do I understand correctly? You want the check to be disabled for the JSON tests?
 716 2014-09-08 14:20:58 <michagogo> no
 717 2014-09-08 14:21:13 <sipa> imho the only reasonable solution is adding verification flags to script_valid.json
 718 2014-09-08 14:21:17 <michagogo> I'm just pointing out that that specific check is also tested for in the should-fail test
 719 2014-09-08 14:21:29 <sipa> like in tx_valid.json
 720 2014-09-08 14:21:42 <wumpus> sipa: I don't get it, how do you mean you don't see anything? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4869/files#diff-4942713bcd2752bb531bf76c9a0ba38eR253   is the result of putting the function through clang_format, if it doesn't match I probably got an argument wrong....
 721 2014-09-08 14:21:44 <aschildbach> sipa: Yes that was going to be my next suggestion
 722 2014-09-08 14:22:11 <sipa> wumpus: it's not consistent at all
 723 2014-09-08 14:22:18 <sipa> clang-format -style=file -i $FILE
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 725 2014-09-08 14:23:13 <wumpus> but *it certainly changed* from the original formatting
 726 2014-09-08 14:23:19 <sipa> hmm
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 730 2014-09-08 14:24:40 <wumpus> oh, it didn't pick up the configuration file, so it likely uses another formatting, but it is consistent
 731 2014-09-08 14:24:42 <wumpus> Error reading /store/orion/projects/bitcoin/bitcoin2/src/.clang-format: Invalid argument
 732 2014-09-08 14:24:42 <wumpus> Can't find usable .clang-format, using LLVM style
 733 2014-09-08 14:24:42 <wumpus> YAML:2:1: error: unexpected scalar
 734 2014-09-08 14:24:42 <wumpus> - 4 AlignEscapedNewlinesLeft:true
 735 2014-09-08 14:24:50 <petertodd> sipa: didn't I add verification flags to script_valid.json? I mean, some of the tests certainly have the null flag set
 736 2014-09-08 14:24:59 <wumpus> that's what I get when I force it to use .clang-format
 737 2014-09-08 14:25:23 <aschildbach> Unfortunately I need to go. I'll be back in ~3 hours.
 738 2014-09-08 14:25:35 <sipa> wumpus: you likely need a more recent version of clang-format
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 740 2014-09-08 14:25:42 <wumpus> I literally just built it from git
 741 2014-09-08 14:26:00 <petertodd> sipa: oh, wait, I see what you mean, the flags were only added to tx_(in)valid.json
 742 2014-09-08 14:26:04 <sipa> petertodd: indeed
 743 2014-09-08 14:26:45 <wumpus> llvm and tools/clang master versions of 3 days ago
 744 2014-09-08 14:27:06 <sipa> bah, did they change the flag types again?
 745 2014-09-08 14:27:14 <petertodd> sipa: in a sense the script_(in)valid.json tests are just a more compact form of the tx tests; I've got nothing against adding flags
 746 2014-09-08 14:27:27 <aschildbach> If you plan to add the flags to the script tests, I'll implement them in bitcoinj. I just implemented them for the tx tests.
 747 2014-09-08 14:27:40 <sipa> petertodd: exactly; neither validating scripts or transactions makes sense without knowing against what ruleset
 748 2014-09-08 14:28:11 <petertodd> aschildbach: yeah, go ahead and add them - I'll do the same on python-bitcoinlib (which doesn't implement the null checkmultisig test yet IIRC)
 749 2014-09-08 14:28:48 <wumpus> sipa: oh I see what's wrong, it was formatting the config file... :p
 750 2014-09-08 14:28:51 <sipa> i'm planning to implement more of BIP62 soon, so this will certainly be needed
 751 2014-09-08 14:28:55 <sipa> wumpus: ha!
 752 2014-09-08 14:29:11 <sipa> oh, -style=file is literally "-style=file", not "-style=.../.clang-format"
 753 2014-09-08 14:29:34 <wumpus> output is exactly the same, though, seems it already picked it up
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 757 2014-09-08 14:32:36 <wumpus> after reformatting the entire netbase.cpp in place, a git diff shows that everything in the file is updated except the InterruptibleRecv function
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 761 2014-09-08 14:37:35 <sipa> seems it doesn't understand the .clang-format file then
 762 2014-09-08 14:37:40 <sipa> bah
 763 2014-09-08 14:38:46 <wumpus> what do you get if you put it through clang-format?
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 765 2014-09-08 14:40:16 <sipa> will try in a few minutes
 766 2014-09-08 14:40:22 <sipa> my clang format is older though
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 772 2014-09-08 14:49:00 <sipa> wumpus: llvm 3.5 was released 5 days ago, so i was likely using a pre-release version, and maybe some flags changed
 773 2014-09-08 14:50:00 <sipa> wumpus: it works here with the older version i have; let me update
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 809 2014-09-08 15:16:57 <sipa> wumpus: both clang-format-3.5 and clang-format-3.6 from the ubuntu ppa for clang behave as expected
 810 2014-09-08 15:17:05 <sipa> i haven't tried compiling from head
 811 2014-09-08 15:17:29 <sipa> deb http://llvm.org/apt/trusty/ llvm-toolchain-trusty main
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 813 2014-09-08 15:18:58 <wumpus> can you pastebin how the function looks afterward?
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 816 2014-09-08 15:21:42 <sipa> wumpus: http://0bin.net/paste/6Va0rxqrddE7Lm0i#muSj+Uukc7-L/8lF0mHinZUBOkQtcKnTsgAoFIYRK2J
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 819 2014-09-08 15:29:26 <wumpus> ok, force-pushed a new version
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 840 2014-09-08 15:59:36 <blast_> So what do you guys think about those 'Bitcoin Certifications'
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 849 2014-09-08 16:08:25 <michagogo> blast_: I don't know what you're talking about, but I do suspect it may be off-topic here
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 921 2014-09-08 16:53:28 <JackH> anyone in here have a nice suggestion? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774840.0
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 925 2014-09-08 16:55:45 <edcba> depends on frequency of updates
 926 2014-09-08 16:56:09 <edcba> but do you need to prove those values to someone else than you ?
 927 2014-09-08 16:56:20 <edcba> else i don't see why you just don't store the changes in database
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 930 2014-09-08 16:57:38 <JackH> I need to prove the values yes
 931 2014-09-08 16:57:48 <JackH> actually the X Y Z are currencies
 932 2014-09-08 16:58:20 <JackH> but the dude that wants to build this project needs me to either reinvent the wheel (fiat wallet security) or I tie this baby up to something that does the work for me
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 935 2014-09-08 17:00:13 <michagogo> JackH: So you're looking to store data in the blockchain
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 958 2014-09-08 17:09:16 <JackH> well, rather not, since I would need someone to mine it
 959 2014-09-08 17:09:26 <JackH> and my values would change quite frequent
 960 2014-09-08 17:09:42 <JackH> I wish there was a static Bitcoin so to speak
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 970 2014-09-08 17:15:30 <midnightmagic> JackH: you could use chronobit
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 975 2014-09-08 17:19:21 <JackH> hmm
 976 2014-09-08 17:19:27 <JackH> gotta dig into this one
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1045 2014-09-08 18:35:09 <finch_> hello, does anyone here use bitcoin core wallet?
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1092 2014-09-08 19:40:40 <jujumax> Me
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1094 2014-09-08 19:45:24 <sipa> aschildbach: who are you on github?
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1096 2014-09-08 19:48:17 <sipa> aschildbach: nvm, got it
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1104 2014-09-08 19:56:45 <goodbtc> this error appeared at least 5 times on my computer since I installed the new v0.9.3.0 beta: http://pastebin.com/qG6UWuja
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1106 2014-09-08 19:57:09 <goodbtc> once/day or so
1107 2014-09-08 19:57:26 <sipa> that's not particularly informative
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1110 2014-09-08 19:57:47 <goodbtc> I am sorry, I have this info from the event log
1111 2014-09-08 19:57:52 <aschildbach> sipa: I'm back
1112 2014-09-08 19:58:09 <goodbtc> I should try to find more info somewhere
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1116 2014-09-08 20:05:06 <justanotheruser> why does decoderawtx still call that field in vout "scriptPubKey"? Just for backwards compatibility?
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1119 2014-09-08 20:08:42 <sipa> justanotheruser: yeah, historic eason; it's called that way all over the source code
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1121 2014-09-08 20:09:36 <sipa> and it's not wrong in a bit convoluted way: it is the public key in the bitcoin script cryptosystem
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1123 2014-09-08 20:09:56 <justanotheruser> hmm?
1124 2014-09-08 20:10:20 <sipa> bitcoin scriot is a crpyotgraphic signature system
1125 2014-09-08 20:10:32 <sipa> the output scriots are its public keys
1126 2014-09-08 20:10:43 <justanotheruser> are you just referring to p2pkh? Or even tx that don't involve public keys?
1127 2014-09-08 20:10:43 <sipa> the input scriots are the signatures
1128 2014-09-08 20:10:54 <sipa> no
1129 2014-09-08 20:10:55 <justanotheruser> sipa: please fix your p key
1130 2014-09-08 20:11:07 <justanotheruser> :P
1131 2014-09-08 20:11:28 <goodbtc> he tries to avoid PayPal
1132 2014-09-08 20:11:36 <sipa> i'm not talking about the ecdsa cryptosystem
1133 2014-09-08 20:11:37 <sipa> i'm talking about the bitcoin script cryptosystem :)
1134 2014-09-08 20:12:01 <justanotheruser> I guess that makes sense somewhat.
1135 2014-09-08 20:14:59 <sipa> and wakllets are its private keys :)
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1137 2014-09-08 20:16:48 <sipa> sorry, very sloew public wifi here; i onky see what i type after a minute or so
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1151 2014-09-08 20:22:09 <gmaxwell> justanotheruser: yea, you're reading it wrong. It is litterally scriptpubkey. As in this is the pubkey for the script cryptosystem.
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1153 2014-09-08 20:22:47 <gmaxwell> Or "a script that constutes your pubkey" its not legacy at all... it's what it is.
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1167 2014-09-08 20:27:08 <justanotheruser> Yeah, I've just never thought of public keys and signatures outside of asymmetric cryptography.
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1169 2014-09-08 20:27:47 <justanotheruser> but since the scriptpubkey is public and you verify that you can redeem a tx with the scriptsig, the terms work
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1175 2014-09-08 20:37:20 <txbits> I'm working on a new exchange. Developers are welcome to try it out with the testnet. https://testnet.txbits.com Source code should be released "in two weeks". You can create a ticket or leave a comment using the button in the bottom right. The database may be reset without notice during initial testing.
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1178 2014-09-08 20:38:32 <midnightmagic> :-/
1179 2014-09-08 20:38:48 <phantomcircuit> txbits, how about no
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1181 2014-09-08 20:38:57 <phantomcircuit> not to mention being wildly off topic
1182 2014-09-08 20:41:25 <txbits> I thought development of Bitcoin services was still on topic. I can stick to BitcoinTalk in the future.
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1184 2014-09-08 20:41:45 <sipa> at least he's trying it on testnet first :)
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1186 2014-09-08 20:42:43 <phantomcircuit> txbits, that would also be ot in #bitcoin
1187 2014-09-08 20:42:46 <phantomcircuit> just no here
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1189 2014-09-08 20:43:12 <txbits> #bitcoin tends to be general discussion though, not technical
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1311 2014-09-08 22:55:55 <sibiria> hi guys
1312 2014-09-08 22:56:31 <sibiria> does anyone know how to generate a new "AlertKey" for signing a block chain alert message?
1313 2014-09-08 22:56:38 <sibiria> what kind of key is it etc.
1314 2014-09-08 22:57:01 <sibiria> assymetric crypto obviously, but what kind?
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1317 2014-09-08 22:58:02 <sipa> secp256k1, just like transaction sigs
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1320 2014-09-08 23:02:45 <l0gz> Anyone here?
1321 2014-09-08 23:02:51 <goodbtc> nope
1322 2014-09-08 23:03:18 <l0gz> Someone has hacked bitcoin on sourceforge. Fix it ASAP guys.
1323 2014-09-08 23:03:25 <l0gz> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/
1324 2014-09-08 23:03:45 <gmaxwell> l0gz: nothing should be using that anymore at least.
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1326 2014-09-08 23:04:08 <gmaxwell> man, and people bitched when we took away 'satoshi's' github access.
1327 2014-09-08 23:04:22 <l0gz> It has had thousands of downloads this week...
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1330 2014-09-08 23:04:54 <sibiria> sipa: do you know how it's generated?
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1332 2014-09-08 23:05:18 <sipa> sibiria: yes...
1333 2014-09-08 23:05:29 <sipa> and if you don't, you probably shouldn't
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1338 2014-09-08 23:06:45 <sibiria> sipa: would you mind sharing?
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1341 2014-09-08 23:07:16 <theymos> Did anyone talk to SourceForge yet? It's a bit of an issue that bitcoin-security is now public, at least.
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1343 2014-09-08 23:07:51 <sipa> i haven't
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1345 2014-09-08 23:09:42 <fewwewe> gmaxwell: you here?
1346 2014-09-08 23:10:12 <gmaxwell> fewwewe: somewhat
1347 2014-09-08 23:11:29 <fewwewe> http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/bitcoin-security/
1348 2014-09-08 23:13:17 <gmaxwell> Yea, fortunately anything serious is only discussed over gpg encrypted email, and not on bitcoin-security.
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1354 2014-09-08 23:29:02 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: what? aren't all the downloads primarily from SF still?
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1356 2014-09-08 23:29:22 <theymos> Luke-Jr: No, they're from bitcoin.org.
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1358 2014-09-08 23:29:52 <Luke-Jr> … why?
1359 2014-09-08 23:30:00 <Luke-Jr> bitcoin.org is supposed to be client-independent
1360 2014-09-08 23:30:08 <gmaxwell> Yea, they're from bitcoin.org, we moved them off SF after we got ssl working... to prevent stuff like this!
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1362 2014-09-08 23:30:37 <Luke-Jr> what happened to bitcoincore.org?
1363 2014-09-08 23:30:43 <Luke-Jr> meh, not important
1364 2014-09-08 23:31:08 <gmaxwell> care to submit a pull to bitcoin.org to remove all sourceforge links?
1365 2014-09-08 23:31:28 <Luke-Jr> me? sure
1366 2014-09-08 23:31:40 <gmaxwell> I'm kinda computing handicapped still.
1367 2014-09-08 23:32:00 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: can you merge things? I don't think I have push tehre
1368 2014-09-08 23:32:03 <gmaxwell> I can.
1369 2014-09-08 23:32:12 <Luke-Jr> wow, we have a lot of those links :|
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1371 2014-09-08 23:32:26 <gmaxwell> I thought they were mostly to mailing lists? what else?
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1373 2014-09-08 23:32:48 <gmaxwell> anyway. Feel free to fix them in stupid ways. E.g. commenting out the link.
1374 2014-09-08 23:32:53 <Luke-Jr> old sercurity announces I think
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1376 2014-09-08 23:32:59 <Luke-Jr> maybe not needed to change those
1377 2014-09-08 23:33:19 <gmaxwell> seperate commit for those so it's easy to revert?
1378 2014-09-08 23:35:33 <gmaxwell> theymos: any chance you could setup some server side rewrite on bitcointalk to break all sourceforge links for the moment?
1379 2014-09-08 23:35:51 <theymos> ok
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1381 2014-09-08 23:39:21 <Anduck> send dev mailing list a notify about this btw?
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1383 2014-09-08 23:39:36 <gotboompah> gmaxwell: read your post on StorJ - frickin' awesome.
1384 2014-09-08 23:39:46 <Anduck> gotboompah: link?
1385 2014-09-08 23:39:52 <gotboompah> sure
1386 2014-09-08 23:40:12 <gotboompah> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=53855.msg642768#msg642768
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1389 2014-09-08 23:40:46 <Anduck> thanks
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1391 2014-09-08 23:41:13 <Anduck> hah, 2011.
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1396 2014-09-08 23:47:56 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/547
1397 2014-09-08 23:48:22 <Luke-Jr> note totally untested :x
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1402 2014-09-08 23:51:01 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: merged. "we'll test it live"
1403 2014-09-08 23:51:50 <gmaxwell> (I figure breaking the site isn't that huge a deal)
1404 2014-09-08 23:52:07 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: btw, your email on bitcoin.org is still @xiph.org
1405 2014-09-08 23:52:27 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: yes. it should be.
1406 2014-09-08 23:52:32 <Luke-Jr> ok
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