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   3 2014-09-09 00:01:50 <gmaxwell> FWIW, I got email from the cracker. :)
   4 2014-09-09 00:02:23 <theymos> What'd he say?
   5 2014-09-09 00:03:02 <gmaxwell> "lol"
   6 2014-09-09 00:03:17 <sipa> that's more than we got out of the real satoshi!
   7 2014-09-09 00:03:38 <gmaxwell> -- I emailed him to ask if he'd kindly turn the sourceforge account over to me. I offered to leave the defacement stuff up for a few hours if he did. :)
   8 2014-09-09 00:04:24 <owowo> how does this affect the git repository of bitcoin?
   9 2014-09-09 00:04:40 <gmaxwell> owowo: doesn't.
  10 2014-09-09 00:04:53 <petertodd> gmaxwell: lol, clever
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  12 2014-09-09 00:05:10 <Anduck> can satoshi btctalk account be compromised with the email?
  13 2014-09-09 00:05:11 <petertodd> owowo: git commits are PGP signed: git log --show-signature
  14 2014-09-09 00:05:30 <petertodd> Anduck: itwas manually locked awhile back IIRC
  15 2014-09-09 00:05:36 <theymos> I wish I would have remembered that satoshi was still a maintainer of SF.net before publishing that email... Not sure of the timeline, but maybe the SF.net compromise could have been prevented. :(
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  18 2014-09-09 00:06:59 <gmaxwell> I'd be half tempted to leave it defaced, good way to finalize the move off of it. :P
  19 2014-09-09 00:07:15 <Luke-Jr> lol
  20 2014-09-09 00:07:32 <Anduck> then it may also be good to move the mailing lists elsewhere
  21 2014-09-09 00:07:41 <gmaxwell> sure sure.
  22 2014-09-09 00:07:50 <Anduck> what are the main channels for communicating about bitcoin any way?
  23 2014-09-09 00:07:58 <Luke-Jr> IRC mainly IMO
  24 2014-09-09 00:08:00 <sirius_> looks like it's fixed now?
  25 2014-09-09 00:08:11 <Luke-Jr> MLs worked for a while, but too many n00bs increasing SNR these days
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  27 2014-09-09 00:08:17 <Luke-Jr> sirius_: "fixed"?
  28 2014-09-09 00:08:35 <Anduck> yeah sf bitcoin page looks fixed
  29 2014-09-09 00:08:55 <gmaxwell> I got more mail from him...
  30 2014-09-09 00:09:20 <Anduck> Luke-Jr: everyone was a noob
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  34 2014-09-09 00:10:56 <Anduck> what was in the mail?
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  37 2014-09-09 00:12:06 <gmaxwell> Anduck:  "Take me to dinner before you fuck me."
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  40 2014-09-09 00:12:40 <sipa> seems reasonable
  41 2014-09-09 00:12:46 <petertodd> hot
  42 2014-09-09 00:13:06 <skinnkavaj> maybe the hacker got satoshis alarm key
  43 2014-09-09 00:13:20 <Luke-Jr> does that mean it's a female?
  44 2014-09-09 00:13:26 <Anduck> nah, i guess sn kept/keeps all keys offline anyway
  45 2014-09-09 00:13:45 <Luke-Jr> skinnkavaj: doubtful
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  47 2014-09-09 00:13:52 <gmaxwell> skinnkavaj: it seems like it was a simple recovery style compromise, no biggie.
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  49 2014-09-09 00:13:54 <Luke-Jr> unless Satoshi emailed it to Gavin…
  50 2014-09-09 00:14:06 <Anduck> if he did, he probs did it gpg-encrypted =P
  51 2014-09-09 00:14:10 <petertodd> Anduck: don't assume that "brilliant cryptographer" == "takes good care of day to day details"
  52 2014-09-09 00:14:13 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: unlikely that he got past emails.
  53 2014-09-09 00:14:24 <Anduck> petertodd: well, he did take good care of his anonymity
  54 2014-09-09 00:14:34 <petertodd> Anduck: or that "satoshi" == "brilliant cryptographer"
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  56 2014-09-09 00:14:54 <theymos> gmaxwell: He got some. The email sent to me contained a quote of an email I sent to satoshin@gmx.com in March 2014.
  57 2014-09-09 00:14:56 <petertodd> Anduck: that's really not that hard you know...
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  59 2014-09-09 00:15:02 <Anduck> well, satoshi must be some kind of brillian cryptographer to make bitcoin work
  60 2014-09-09 00:15:11 <Luke-Jr> theymos: satoshi was corresponding in March 2014? O.o
  61 2014-09-09 00:15:14 <Anduck> petertodd: sure
  62 2014-09-09 00:15:26 <Luke-Jr> Anduck: there is zero new cryptography in Bitcoin
  63 2014-09-09 00:15:32 <petertodd> theymos: evidence the account compromise happened some time ago
  64 2014-09-09 00:15:52 <Anduck> Luke-Jr: i know..
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  68 2014-09-09 00:16:50 <theymos> Luke-Jr: I sent him an email then. I was telling him to contact me with a PGP signature if he wanted his forum account back (which I locked long ago). This was right after he posted to that p2pfoundation site.
  69 2014-09-09 00:17:04 <Anduck> theymos: the "i am not dorian" message at p2pfoundation was sent at march 7 -most likely the account was already compromised back then
  70 2014-09-09 00:17:05 <Luke-Jr> ah
  71 2014-09-09 00:17:18 <theymos> Anduck: Yes, seems likely.
  72 2014-09-09 00:17:22 <petertodd> theymos: plausible scenario is definitely someone had the idea to compromise the account at that time
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  75 2014-09-09 00:17:49 <gmaxwell>  perhaps they finally decided they couldn't do anything that intersting with it.
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  78 2014-09-09 00:17:59 <gmaxwell> they could have at least been funny. :(
  79 2014-09-09 00:18:15 <petertodd> gmaxwell: well school starts again for many right about now...
  80 2014-09-09 00:18:31 <Anduck> well, could've done some kind of "i destroyed all my bitcoins" or "i will dump 1M bitcoins"
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  82 2014-09-09 00:18:55 <Luke-Jr> Anduck: oh my
  83 2014-09-09 00:19:03 <Luke-Jr> yes, that might have hurt the market a lot..
  84 2014-09-09 00:19:04 <btcdrak> I hate to say it, but gmx isnt exactly mega secure. I know a few people who've had their gmx accounts compromised.
  85 2014-09-09 00:19:12 <petertodd> Anduck: clever thing would be "I destroyed all my keys" - not specifically bitcoins
  86 2014-09-09 00:19:54 <sipa> btcdrak: and you couldn't have told that to satoshi 6 years ago? dude...
  87 2014-09-09 00:19:59 <gmaxwell> petertodd: better, ... post some crazy cryptogram.
  88 2014-09-09 00:20:28 <Luke-Jr> possible when the whole Dorin thing was going down, Satoshi leaked his gmx account just in case someone got closer to who he really was? :p
  89 2014-09-09 00:20:36 <petertodd> sipa: btcdrak == satoshi obviously, and found out the hard way
  90 2014-09-09 00:20:40 <gmaxwell> sipa: can you check if you have access on SF?
  91 2014-09-09 00:20:49 <btcdrak> sipa: I wish I was around 6 years ago -.-
  92 2014-09-09 00:21:09 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: If I were Satoshi I'd consider making some Satoshi document dropping hoax's myself to muddle the trail...
  93 2014-09-09 00:22:44 <sipa> gmaxwell: doesn't seem to be the case
  94 2014-09-09 00:24:24 <gmaxwell> yea, so I think the trouble maker undefaced it without fixing back up the access.
  95 2014-09-09 00:25:27 <sipa> https://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/ -> "Brought to you by: s_nakamoto"
  96 2014-09-09 00:25:30 <dgenr8> Anduck: well sf would know when the email had become re-registerable.  iirc that msg was sent preceisely when dorian was out to lunch w/ reporter.  the intrigue.
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  98 2014-09-09 00:27:08 <gmaxwell> please take the satoshi speculation elsewere. :)
  99 2014-09-09 00:27:34 <owowo> #satosh-speculation <--
 100 2014-09-09 00:27:39 <sipa> speculation belongs in #bitcoin-pricetalk :D
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 104 2014-09-09 00:31:33 <dgenr8> gmx rather.  and of course they would know when it was actually re-registered
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 108 2014-09-09 00:38:08 <gmaxwell> seems there are multiple people using that email account. :P
 109 2014-09-09 00:41:05 <gmaxwell> y'all may want to download all the content off sf.net in case it's deleted. (e.g. old downloads and svn repo)
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 113 2014-09-09 00:43:52 <midnightmagic> gmaxwell: do you know of anyone who got copies of the mailing lists on it?
 114 2014-09-09 00:44:21 <petertodd> midnightmagic: mail-archive.org's one is pretty complete
 115 2014-09-09 00:44:32 <petertodd> midnightmagic: I've now got a copy of the -security archives :P
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 120 2014-09-09 00:45:55 <saivann> Well as for release notes, I should have imported all of them from sourceforge on bitcoin.org, only formatting has been slightly modified.
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 142 2014-09-09 00:56:19 <midnightmagic> for my copy the last checkin of the sf bitcoin svn repo dated Date:   Mon Feb 7 14:46:53 2011 +0000, by gavin, "Added 320 fresh seednodes to replace the old ones."  ? look right?
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 160 2014-09-09 01:06:47 <petertodd> midnightmagic: I thought the SVN history had already been imported into git?
 161 2014-09-09 01:07:27 <midnightmagic> petertodd: yeah but having built .. well probably a half dozen scm-specific conversion utils, they are never accurate, esp. when the source is svn.
 162 2014-09-09 01:07:59 <petertodd> midnightmagic: though on git that commit is by Daniel Folkinshteyn and predates the gavin one, which makes me think we were running a conversion util git -> svn by that point
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 171 2014-09-09 01:11:11 <midnightmagic> sounds right. Turns out sourceforge lets one rdump it, so I just got that.
 172 2014-09-09 01:11:49 <petertodd> interesting: just got another forwarded email from 2011 - indicates the account was hijacked rather than re-registered (or re-registered a long time ago)
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 261 2014-09-09 02:31:03 <Gnomethrower> https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/509141236100263936
 262 2014-09-09 02:31:12 <Gnomethrower> christ...
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 266 2014-09-09 02:32:47 <gwern> Gnomethrower: it gets worse, the hacker didn't even redact his screenshots right
 267 2014-09-09 02:32:59 <Gnomethrower> gwern: oh, neat; example?
 268 2014-09-09 02:33:18 <gwern> you can manipulate the second screenshot to get the redacted name and address
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 270 2014-09-09 02:33:29 <Gnomethrower> I haven't seen any screenshots yet
 271 2014-09-09 02:33:58 <gwern> oh, http://pastebin.com/7gbPi8Qr
 272 2014-09-09 02:36:03 <Gnomethrower> gwern: huh
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 276 2014-09-09 02:37:38 <lewellyn> gwern: this is why i redact in a bitmap editor and draw a solid color box. :P
 277 2014-09-09 02:37:49 <Gnomethrower> how the hell do you unredact that
 278 2014-09-09 02:37:50 <gwern> lewellyn: as you should!
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 281 2014-09-09 02:38:12 <Gnomethrower> also lewellyn: fuck yes, why does no-one do that?!
 282 2014-09-09 02:38:24 <lewellyn> gwern: i gave up years ago explaining to people what "photoshop is not a bitmap editor" means. :P
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 289 2014-09-09 02:40:45 <Gnomethrower> gwern: any hints as to how to manipulate the second screenshot?
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 291 2014-09-09 02:41:22 <gwern> Gnomethrower: that's no fun
 292 2014-09-09 02:41:53 <Gnomethrower> gwern: well, as far as I can tell Satoshi doesn't live in St Louis, Missouri ;)
 293 2014-09-09 02:42:04 <cystic> Anyone have a mirror to the images, they won't load for me.
 294 2014-09-09 02:42:07 <Gnomethrower> so I'm very curious as to what's underneath
 295 2014-09-09 02:42:10 <gwern> Gnomethrower: you know where satoshi lives? INCROYABLE
 296 2014-09-09 02:42:36 <Gnomethrower> seeing that is reassuring, because I'm fairly sure he's safe now
 297 2014-09-09 02:42:41 <Gnomethrower> whereas before I was a little uncertain
 298 2014-09-09 02:43:14 <Gnomethrower> gwern: I didn't say that ;)
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 300 2014-09-09 02:43:18 <Gnomethrower> but I know where he doesn't.
 301 2014-09-09 02:43:39 <gwern> how's that?
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 303 2014-09-09 02:44:01 <Gnomethrower> gwern: that's no fun
 304 2014-09-09 02:44:02 <Gnomethrower> ;)
 305 2014-09-09 02:44:07 <Apocalyptic> gwern, we all know it's McCaleb anyway
 306 2014-09-09 02:44:21 <gwern> mccaleb is too incompetent to be satoshi. vide the mtgox password hashing fiasco
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 308 2014-09-09 02:44:47 <Gnomethrower> http://imgur.com/a/PNwWj
 309 2014-09-09 02:44:53 <Gnomethrower> ( @cystic)
 310 2014-09-09 02:45:00 <gmaxwell> please take the satisho speculation stuff out of this channel.
 311 2014-09-09 02:45:15 <Gnomethrower> gmaxwell, two things
 312 2014-09-09 02:45:17 <Gnomethrower> 1) it's relevant
 313 2014-09-09 02:45:20 <Gnomethrower> 2) where to?
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 315 2014-09-09 02:45:25 <jgarzik> #bitcoin
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 317 2014-09-09 02:45:43 <Gnomethrower> fair
 318 2014-09-09 02:45:43 <gmaxwell> you'll get kicked out of there. there was a satoshi speculation channel created previously.
 319 2014-09-09 02:46:01 <jgarzik> IMO it is fair #bitcoin material at the present time
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 321 2014-09-09 02:46:26 <Gnomethrower> jgarzik: that would make sense..
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 324 2014-09-09 02:47:06 <gmaxwell> it will just irritate people if it takes over the channel again-- for every person who thinks this is the most interesting thing ever there is another who thinks its profoundly boring and irrelevant, but fine.
 325 2014-09-09 02:47:40 <Gnomethrower> uh, what the hell just happened
 326 2014-09-09 02:47:43 <Gnomethrower> why did I get kickbanned
 327 2014-09-09 02:47:58 <Apocalyptic> you posted an imgur link
 328 2014-09-09 02:48:05 <Gnomethrower> that's not allowed?
 329 2014-09-09 02:48:05 <gmaxwell> see the topic
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 331 2014-09-09 02:48:13 <Gnomethrower> ...oh
 332 2014-09-09 02:48:15 <Gnomethrower> *facepalm*
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 335 2014-09-09 02:50:06 <gwern> gmaxwell: if nothing else, these little affairs illustrate interesting principles: in this case, that expiring email addresses are *serious* vulnerabilities, that redaction must be done with flat images and solid colors... hm what else
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 339 2014-09-09 02:54:50 <gmaxwell> gwern: I'd argue the vulnerabilty is email based account recovery.
 340 2014-09-09 02:54:58 <gmaxwell> I no longer believe expiration was involved.
 341 2014-09-09 02:55:23 <gwern> gmaxwell: either way there's a useful lesson here, I figure
 342 2014-09-09 02:55:31 <gmaxwell> email based account recovery makes compromising a single thing, which might not be well protected, into a much broader compromise.
 343 2014-09-09 02:56:07 <gmaxwell> sure, though I think it's one we already knew: e.g. we'd been good about removing old access from github. (even though it created some stupid drama)
 344 2014-09-09 02:56:27 <gwern> you guys didn't have the ability to remove him from the SF project?
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 346 2014-09-09 02:57:05 <gmaxwell> I'm not sure we really knew he was still there, or at least I didn't... we don't really use the sf project for anything anymore... except a couple mailing lists.
 347 2014-09-09 02:57:18 <gmaxwell> one problem with removing privs is remembering to do it everywhere. :(
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 351 2014-09-09 02:57:50 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, and this is why i now have a secret domain name
 352 2014-09-09 02:58:03 <phantomcircuit> :/
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 356 2014-09-09 02:58:56 <gmaxwell> domain names a pretty easy to capture... :( and a lot of sites will manage to leak the email -- or at least the domain.
 357 2014-09-09 02:59:02 <gmaxwell> gah, offtopic.
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 373 2014-09-09 03:11:55 <warren> I made a backport branch of 0.9.3 + watch-only
 374 2014-09-09 03:12:01 <warren> anyone want to help test?
 375 2014-09-09 03:17:03 <Luke-Jr> lame :P
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 377 2014-09-09 03:18:53 <gmaxwell> warren: really more testing of the release candates + recent fixes would be more productive.
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 510 2014-09-09 04:48:21 <warren> sigh.  something about gitian makes my system go haywire.  The CTRL button behaves like it is always pressed.
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 532 2014-09-09 05:10:46 <warren> spooky.  "unset DISPLAY" avoids the problem.
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 546 2014-09-09 05:22:49 <michagogo> warren: o_O
 547 2014-09-09 05:23:57 <Luke-Jr> it's annoying how GNU Screen behaves differently inside consoles if you started X inside a screen
 548 2014-09-09 05:24:15 <Luke-Jr> (it silently opens a new window in the session X is running in)
 549 2014-09-09 05:24:22 <Luke-Jr> (workaround: unset STY)
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 594 2014-09-09 06:46:21 <aschildbach_> What's the issue with Sourceforge?
 595 2014-09-09 06:46:40 <sipa> none anymore
 596 2014-09-09 06:47:03 <aschildbach_> So what *was* the issue? (.:
 597 2014-09-09 06:47:14 <sipa> satoshi's email account and sf.net account were hacked, and used to temporarily deface the project page
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 599 2014-09-09 06:47:41 <aschildbach_> Neat! Bitcoin is growing up (-:
 600 2014-09-09 06:48:16 <sipa> all links from bitcoin.org to sf were removed
 601 2014-09-09 06:48:55 <sipa> and through sf staff intervention, satoshi's account was deactivated
 602 2014-09-09 06:50:03 <lewellyn> i guess this is proof that satoshi is gone
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 611 2014-09-09 06:59:33 <gmaxwell> we weren't using it for much of anything, links back to old announcements, and some mailing lists... etc. most everything else has been on bitcoin.org and github for some time.
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 614 2014-09-09 07:00:02 <gmaxwell> though you should all check your security against password recovery attacks; presumably this has given a bunch of people the idea that they should try this stuff more.
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 616 2014-09-09 07:02:33 <Luke-Jr> someone recently tried to social engineer their way into Eligius servers by impersonating me :p
 617 2014-09-09 07:02:47 <warren> Luke-Jr: were you fooled?
 618 2014-09-09 07:03:40 <gmaxwell> luke did not believe this other person was luke.
 619 2014-09-09 07:03:45 <gmaxwell> warren: missed you around these parts.
 620 2014-09-09 07:03:52 <warren> gmaxwell: yeah, been busy
 621 2014-09-09 07:03:54 <Luke-Jr> warren: no, the datacenter knows better
 622 2014-09-09 07:04:08 <gmaxwell> they also claimed to be "luke sash junior"
 623 2014-09-09 07:04:22 <warren> gmaxwell: after I rebase litecoin + watchonly I'm going to fix your patch to get rid of the website IP lookups
 624 2014-09-09 07:04:23 <Luke-Jr> :p
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 627 2014-09-09 07:04:41 <sipa> "hi. i am you, but came here in a flying delorean from the year 2044. i need access to your server."
 628 2014-09-09 07:05:00 <Luke-Jr> XD
 629 2014-09-09 07:05:05 <gmaxwell> I'm working full time on bitcoin now, I'd suggest leaving that to me. I rewrote the patch to make it easier to test. Likely would have started the tests on it today, except for the dramaz. :)
 630 2014-09-09 07:05:05 <warren> the Delorean still looks futuristic today ...
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 634 2014-09-09 07:05:25 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: ah, you started today? nice
 635 2014-09-09 07:05:40 <warren> gmaxwell: ah, you  understood what the failure was when I tested it?
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 638 2014-09-09 07:06:11 <gmaxwell> I think so. (well I think I did when I rewrote it, I did the rewrite a month or so ago)
 639 2014-09-09 07:06:14 <Luke-Jr> I guess "stopped" may be a better verb there :p
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 641 2014-09-09 07:06:38 <phantomcircuit> <Luke-Jr> someone recently tried to social engineer their way into Eligius servers by impersonating me :p
 642 2014-09-09 07:06:45 <phantomcircuit> someone tries that nearly once a week
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 644 2014-09-09 07:07:25 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: well, they first need to identify what datacenter to contact in this case
 645 2014-09-09 07:07:31 <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: last day at Mozilla was the 5th. My productivity isn't super high yet because I basically have no place setup at home to work yet, and have been interleaving doing that while juggling other things. (uh, I have a lot of non-work 'debt' built up from these last couple years of being oversubscribed)
 646 2014-09-09 07:07:56 <gmaxwell> (well I don't need to tell you that, you've been in my maze of cardboard boxes^w^w^w^whouse)
 647 2014-09-09 07:07:58 <Luke-Jr> >_<
 648 2014-09-09 07:08:08 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: surely it's improved since then :P
 649 2014-09-09 07:08:25 <sipa> they've been replaced by plastic bixes
 650 2014-09-09 07:08:30 <Luke-Jr> haha
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 652 2014-09-09 07:10:00 <gmaxwell> I have no more miners in the kitchen now!
 653 2014-09-09 07:10:28 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: aww, how will you cook your food?
 654 2014-09-09 07:10:38 <phantomcircuit> ha
 655 2014-09-09 07:10:51 * warren wonders if any non-data centers are mining anymore
 656 2014-09-09 07:11:23 <Luke-Jr> warren: does my house and my parents' house count as a datacenter? <.<
 657 2014-09-09 07:11:30 <gmaxwell> oh I still have miners, but they are only in one room, instead of three.
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 659 2014-09-09 07:11:53 <phantomcircuit> warren, the data centers are like
 660 2014-09-09 07:11:55 <phantomcircuit> tier -1 now
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 662 2014-09-09 07:12:09 <phantomcircuit> you too can be the proud owner of a warehouse in a cold climate!
 663 2014-09-09 07:12:14 <Luke-Jr> wish I could find someone who wanted to figure out pool heating with miners
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 665 2014-09-09 07:12:23 <Luke-Jr> got a bunch I have to retire soon otherwise :/
 666 2014-09-09 07:12:27 <gmaxwell> all the real mining is on rafts out in lakes in the arctic circle or something. :)
 667 2014-09-09 07:12:29 <warren> There any fiber links to Antarctica?
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 669 2014-09-09 07:12:41 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: stop melting ice! you're going to sink my house :<
 670 2014-09-09 07:12:45 <warren> ... and a nuclear power plant ...
 671 2014-09-09 07:12:49 <phantomcircuit> warren, sure but no electricity :P
 672 2014-09-09 07:14:03 <phantomcircuit> cold climate, cheap power, sane governments, pick two
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 674 2014-09-09 07:14:35 <Luke-Jr> phantomcircuit: sane governments don't exist, so the choice is obvious
 675 2014-09-09 07:14:49 <warren> doesn't Iceland qualify for all three?
 676 2014-09-09 07:15:12 <justanotheruser> warren: their govt doesn't like bitcoin
 677 2014-09-09 07:15:15 <phantomcircuit> warren, the last point is a maybe
 678 2014-09-09 07:15:21 <justanotheruser> or any foreign currency for that matter
 679 2014-09-09 07:15:37 <warren> they seemed to like lots of foreign currency until recently
 680 2014-09-09 07:15:42 <phantomcircuit> they have capital controls in place and IBM specifically chose not to put a dc there because of their "liberal" democracy
 681 2014-09-09 07:15:48 <phantomcircuit> (ie sticky fingered)
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 683 2014-09-09 07:16:36 <phantomcircuit> also afaict there is no more power available from the power companies
 684 2014-09-09 07:16:47 <phantomcircuit> somebody *cough* bought it all up
 685 2014-09-09 07:16:58 <sipa> there are only 300k icelandic people... i guess such a small number easily leads to a different style of government
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 690 2014-09-09 07:20:25 <michagogo> jgarzik: what's that hash(?) you tweeted?
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 697 2014-09-09 07:23:45 <michagogo> gmaxwell: what's 'debt'?
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 699 2014-09-09 07:24:35 <michagogo> To clarify: What's "'debt'"?
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 701 2014-09-09 07:25:25 <Luke-Jr> michagogo: he went to bed; I interpreted it as "code I said I'd help with, but never got time for"
 702 2014-09-09 07:26:17 <michagogo> Ahhh
 703 2014-09-09 07:26:49 <michagogo> Oh, I guess that makes sense
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 705 2014-09-09 07:27:35 <michagogo> Meh.com -- it's what woot.com used to be. Same person, I think.
 706 2014-09-09 07:27:43 <michagogo> Er, wrong channel... Sorry.
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 714 2014-09-09 07:42:13 <gmaxwell> hm. hit a leveldb assert on shutdown in master - a few days + some patches bitcoind: db/version_set.cc:803: leveldb::VersionSet::~VersionSet(): Assertion `dummy_versions_.next_ == &dummy_versions_' failed.
 715 2014-09-09 07:42:26 <gmaxwell> this seems to not be super informative.
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 717 2014-09-09 07:43:54 <warren> gmaxwell: yeah, happens to me too
 718 2014-09-09 07:43:57 <warren> gmaxwell: with 0.9.3
 719 2014-09-09 07:44:11 <wumpus> that error is reported with leveldb a lot
 720 2014-09-09 07:44:16 <wumpus> not just in the context of bitcoin
 721 2014-09-09 07:44:24 <sipa> strange, i have never seen it
 722 2014-09-09 07:44:36 <wumpus> me neither, but it's been reported before
 723 2014-09-09 07:45:48 <wumpus> hmm see https://code.google.com/p/leveldb/issues/detail?id=136
 724 2014-09-09 07:46:11 <wumpus> even a link to a patch to leveldb
 725 2014-09-09 07:46:43 <sipa> oh, we sometimes had iterators open at close, but that was fixed in master very recently
 726 2014-09-09 07:47:06 <wumpus> it can *also* happen then, but it seems there is a reference counting issue too
 727 2014-09-09 07:47:15 <sipa> ah
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 729 2014-09-09 07:49:28 <gmaxwell> sipa: any idea where the aformentioned fix in master was? I can see if I have it.
 730 2014-09-09 07:49:42 <gmaxwell> likely unless it was merged like... this weekend.
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 734 2014-09-09 07:56:52 <sipa> gmaxwell: #4656
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 740 2014-09-09 08:00:04 <gmaxwell> sipa: yep, my node was running with that.
 741 2014-09-09 08:00:12 <gmaxwell> ohoh. so one interesting point.
 742 2014-09-09 08:00:22 <gmaxwell> I'd been running a loop of all the rpcs over and over again
 743 2014-09-09 08:00:35 <gmaxwell> and we have a "verifychain" rpc... perhaps a leak there.
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 747 2014-09-09 08:01:21 <gmaxwell> (incidentally, under valgrind verifychain is slow enough that I lose all my peers :P )
 748 2014-09-09 08:01:32 <sipa> gettxoutsetinfo iterates over the database directly
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 750 2014-09-09 08:01:38 <sipa> verifychain does not
 751 2014-09-09 08:01:52 <gmaxwell> or there, indeed I called that too, though thats not a new rpc.
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 753 2014-09-09 08:02:22 <gmaxwell> in any case, back to bed for me.
 754 2014-09-09 08:02:31 <sipa> seems early for you?
 755 2014-09-09 08:02:39 <sipa> :p
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 765 2014-09-09 08:09:27 <wumpus> warren: do you have the versionset problem consistently? if so, can you try with https://github.com/google/leveldb/pull/3 applied to see if that fixes it?
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 767 2014-09-09 08:10:48 <warren> wumpus: not consistently, and I'm linking against fedora's system leveldb
 768 2014-09-09 08:10:55 <warren> oh wait, I'm not
 769 2014-09-09 08:11:09 <warren> i'll try it soon
 770 2014-09-09 08:11:33 <wumpus> ehh.. don't link against system's leveldb!
 771 2014-09-09 08:11:41 <wumpus> we include it for good reason
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 783 2014-09-09 08:26:35 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, any idea why Avalon is pre-calculating the first 3 stages of the expansion function? https://ehash.com/product/a3222-20pcs/
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 799 2014-09-09 08:37:37 <warren> Anyone familiar with the code that bans an IP address, how fine grained is it when banning ipv6?
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 801 2014-09-09 08:38:11 <sipa> just a single ip, afaik
 802 2014-09-09 08:38:16 <sipa> even for ipv6
 803 2014-09-09 08:38:57 <phantomcircuit> warren, that is an issue with the ipv6 stuff
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 805 2014-09-09 08:39:12 <phantomcircuit> it's basically impossible to tell the difference between someone with a /48 at home
 806 2014-09-09 08:39:20 <phantomcircuit> and a university with a /48
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 808 2014-09-09 08:39:53 <timothy> well you can ban an IPv6 range :P
 809 2014-09-09 08:40:03 <lewellyn> /48 is huge though. you may as well say /16 ipv4.
 810 2014-09-09 08:40:13 <michagogo> If only there were some kind of standard for that
 811 2014-09-09 08:40:17 <warren> how big a range is given to home users?
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 813 2014-09-09 08:40:24 <timothy> usually /64
 814 2014-09-09 08:40:26 <lewellyn> /64 is not uncommon
 815 2014-09-09 08:40:26 <michagogo> warren: it really varies by ISP
 816 2014-09-09 08:40:32 <lewellyn> maybe like a /56.
 817 2014-09-09 08:40:34 <timothy> it's the only range usable with radvd
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 819 2014-09-09 08:40:57 <lewellyn> but realistically no smaller than /64 as llap and friends won't work on smaller.
 820 2014-09-09 08:40:59 <michagogo> ;;google what size ipv6 range do home users get
 821 2014-09-09 08:40:59 <gribble> IPv6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6>; IP address - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address>; RFC 6177 - IPv6 Address Assignment to End Sites: <http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6177>
 822 2014-09-09 08:41:16 <lewellyn> and a /64 is huuuuge anyhow.
 823 2014-09-09 08:41:26 <warren> https://togami.com/~warren/temp/example-bitcoind-dos-mitigation-via-iptables.txt    <---- a ipv6 variation of this with a subnet and rate limiting could mitigate ipv6 connection abuse
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 831 2014-09-09 08:44:03 <timothy> lewellyn: /64 is needed to use router advertisement, and some OS does not support dhcpv6 yet :)
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 834 2014-09-09 08:44:30 <lewellyn> timothy: that's what i said. ;)
 835 2014-09-09 08:45:24 * lewellyn compares ipv6 to appletalk and ipx a lot, btw.
 836 2014-09-09 08:45:43 <timothy> welcome to 1970s
 837 2014-09-09 08:45:43 <lewellyn> it's closer to those than to ipv4, in many respects.
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 852 2014-09-09 08:50:31 <phantomcircuit> <michagogo> ;;google what size ipv6 range do home users get
 853 2014-09-09 08:50:32 <phantomcircuit> depends
 854 2014-09-09 08:50:46 <phantomcircuit> i can get a /48 from he
 855 2014-09-09 08:50:56 <phantomcircuit> the problem is as timothy said
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 857 2014-09-09 08:51:10 <phantomcircuit> a /64 is effectively the smallest routable unit because of how radvd works
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 861 2014-09-09 08:51:14 <phantomcircuit> which is lol ridiculous
 862 2014-09-09 08:51:49 <timothy> they use mac addresses translated in 64 bit (EUI-64), so you need 64 bit to map the mac address :P
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 865 2014-09-09 08:51:59 <timothy> it's quite silly instead
 866 2014-09-09 08:52:05 <phantomcircuit> timothy, except a mac address is only 48 bits >.>
 867 2014-09-09 08:52:20 <timothy> infact I sayd "translated in 64 bit" :P
 868 2014-09-09 08:52:24 <timothy> said*
 869 2014-09-09 08:52:28 <phantomcircuit> i know
 870 2014-09-09 08:52:38 <timothy> i don't know the reason
 871 2014-09-09 08:53:00 <phantomcircuit> timothy, because someone doesn't understand maths
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 874 2014-09-09 08:53:27 <phantomcircuit> no really it's because they use a hash function
 875 2014-09-09 08:53:38 <phantomcircuit> which is difficult to make map 1:1
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 877 2014-09-09 08:54:19 <phantomcircuit> timothy, but once again that's silly since any system with any sense uses random end results
 878 2014-09-09 08:54:23 <timothy> they also use the "privacy" extension (by default in windows), so the don't use mac address either
 879 2014-09-09 08:55:04 <warren> You have native ipv6 at home?
 880 2014-09-09 08:55:23 <phantomcircuit> warren, i actually turned it off because it's broken
 881 2014-09-09 08:55:26 <phantomcircuit> thanks comcast
 882 2014-09-09 08:55:39 <timothy> no, but I work for a company that builds access gateways (CPE)
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 884 2014-09-09 08:56:38 <phantomcircuit> i do hae a /64 on a server though
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 887 2014-09-09 08:56:57 <btcdrak> JetBrains finally released a C++ IDE <3 http://www.jetbrains.com/clion/
 888 2014-09-09 08:56:59 <warren> do folks still use the 6 over 4 tunnels?
 889 2014-09-09 08:57:07 <btcdrak> I totally love their python IDE editor
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 891 2014-09-09 08:57:51 <warren> I've mostly ignored ipv6 all this time, but now I want to test mitigation measures against it...
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 894 2014-09-09 08:58:12 <michagogo> Hm, just did some reading, sounds like a subnet is defined as /64
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 896 2014-09-09 08:58:46 <michagogo> With the rfc suggesting that a customer get multiple subnets, e.g. /56
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 899 2014-09-09 08:59:46 <wumpus> anyone ever tried building/running bitcoind with fsplit-stack?
 900 2014-09-09 09:00:02 <warren> what is that?
 901 2014-09-09 09:00:05 <michagogo> ;;google fsplit-stack
 902 2014-09-09 09:00:06 <gribble> Split Stacks - GCC - GNU: <https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/SplitStacks>; mathieu lacage - using -fsplit-stack - GCC - GNU: <http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2012-11/msg00223.html>; Ian Lance Taylor - Re: using -fsplit-stack - GCC - GNU: <http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2012-11/msg00224.html>
 903 2014-09-09 09:00:15 <lewellyn> michagogo: that's what i said. 01:34  lewellyn: /64 is not uncommon 01:34  lewellyn: maybe like a /56.
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 985 2014-09-09 11:10:17 <skinnkavaj> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bma1p-DfocM
 986 2014-09-09 11:10:33 <skinnkavaj> #Bitcoin2014 - Feat. Presentation: Taking Bitcoin Development to the Next Level by Mike Hearn
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1007 2014-09-09 11:48:25 <skinnkavaj> hearn: Reddit frontpage
1008 2014-09-09 11:48:40 <hearn> oh yeah
1009 2014-09-09 11:49:35 <hearn> skinnkavaj: what did you think of it?
1010 2014-09-09 11:51:11 <skinnkavaj> hearn: Was kinda boring to see the old screenshots of lighthouse, would rather want to see how lighthouse is now when released
1011 2014-09-09 11:51:17 <hearn> right
1012 2014-09-09 11:51:37 <hearn> will be talking to olivier this afternoon, is the plan. i'm impatient to get the source code out there.
1013 2014-09-09 11:51:42 <skinnkavaj> hearn: Whats left to do with it now?
1014 2014-09-09 11:52:20 <hearn> needs a bit more polish, a few edge case bugs being resolved. perhaps more features. olivier wants it to be as solid a product as possible to do end user release, so that's one of the things we're discussing at the moment
1015 2014-09-09 11:52:25 <hearn> what exactly is needed for beta, for 1.0 etc
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1018 2014-09-09 11:55:18 <skinnkavaj> hearn: You should make an awesome trailer for it, like the Open Bazaar one. Seems to have attracted a lot of interested developers helping out with Open Bazaar development
1019 2014-09-09 11:55:23 <hearn> yeah
1020 2014-09-09 11:55:28 <hearn> i know :) there's lots of things to do
1021 2014-09-09 11:55:48 <hearn> the source code will come first and a nice website + video + end user docs + native packages etc will come later
1022 2014-09-09 11:55:57 <hearn> actually native packages are mostly done already. some people already have alpha builds that auto update
1023 2014-09-09 11:56:27 <hearn> i'm not totally sure when the right time to do a video is. i don't want to make a "trailer" for something you can't download, but then again as more and more people get access to the app, i guess someone will make a video at some point anyway.
1024 2014-09-09 11:56:29 <hearn> need to think about it
1025 2014-09-09 11:57:25 <brisque> hearn: thinking about all the Bitcoin-related products that have had trailers, are you sure that's a good idea?
1026 2014-09-09 11:57:34 <hearn> sure what's a good idea?
1027 2014-09-09 11:57:52 <brisque> well, a trailer.
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1032 2014-09-09 11:58:31 <hearn> normally i always want to see screenshots of an app i'm about to download.
1033 2014-09-09 11:58:53 <hearn> so i guess a video is a logical thing people will want too. it's just a quick way to judge "is this app worth my time"?
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1036 2014-09-09 11:59:24 <skinnkavaj> Hard to not want to use Open Bazaaar after watching this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAGij8FSrNc
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1044 2014-09-09 12:01:38 <brisque> it's entirely possible I'm alone in it, but to me all of the products with big flashy videos never amount to anything.
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1049 2014-09-09 12:02:58 <brisque> screenshots of a product, sure, that's a different beast to a promotional video.
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1051 2014-09-09 12:03:45 <dbrock> I think the person who made the psychedelic Mycelium trailer should be hired to make every single future crypto-related video ever
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1055 2014-09-09 12:06:14 <brisque> dbrock: that's almost certainly sending the wrong message.
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1057 2014-09-09 12:08:24 <dbrock> brisque: what's wrong with being sexy?
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1060 2014-09-09 12:10:45 <hearn> skinnkavaj: well that's a bit over the top ....
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1062 2014-09-09 12:11:25 <hearn> i'd probably do a (quieter) training video at least.
1063 2014-09-09 12:11:28 <hearn> anyway. we'll see.
1064 2014-09-09 12:11:32 <brisque> dbrock: you don't see the problem with Bitcoin being described by a hippie having a 60s fueled acid trip?
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1066 2014-09-09 12:14:03 <skinnkavaj> hearn: Tell me more about your ideas how to speed up development and reach concensus easier, you have had a lot of these ideas.. Have you successfully implemented them in lighthouse?
1067 2014-09-09 12:14:17 <hearn> lighthouse only implements sighash_anyonecanpay type contracts
1068 2014-09-09 12:14:24 <hearn> it doesn't require any particular kind of project
1069 2014-09-09 12:14:28 <hearn> it's just a way to move money around
1070 2014-09-09 12:15:01 <jsfsn> The initial users are most likely more used to text explaining what they are about to use rather than a video
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1072 2014-09-09 12:15:12 <hearn> the idea is, there can be websites or aggregator sites that gather project (files) together.
1073 2014-09-09 12:15:13 <jsfsn> regarding lighthouse
1074 2014-09-09 12:15:28 <hearn> so it's kind of a blend of a p2p desktop app and web stuff. the web is easier for things like commenting, sharing, exploring, etc.
1075 2014-09-09 12:15:47 <hearn> jsfsn: sure, i didn't mean as a replacement for real documentation :)    which is one thing I still need to write ....
1076 2014-09-09 12:15:51 <hearn> though ideally the app wouldn't need any.
1077 2014-09-09 12:16:24 <hearn> i don't think it's hard to use at the moment, but a few hints scattered around would help. anyway post open sourcing i'm going to try and recruit some people who enjoy UI programming to help with things like that
1078 2014-09-09 12:16:25 <jsfsn> ideally :)
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1157 2014-09-09 14:02:22 <wumpus> what do projects use to host their mailinglists in the post-sourceforge era?
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1164 2014-09-09 14:09:35 <pigeons> i've seen some google groups being used, not endorsing it
1165 2014-09-09 14:09:46 <pigeons> seems to work fine though
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1209 2014-09-09 14:37:53 <andytoshi> for pcb/geda we used a listserv hosted on dj's server http://www.delorie.com/listserv/
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1211 2014-09-09 14:38:18 <andytoshi> idk how much hassle that is for him to maintain
1212 2014-09-09 14:38:35 <bsm117532> So I've been tasked with creating an alt-coin, and I am loth to duplicate some of the jokers I've seen in the alt-coin world.  Therefore I wonder what people might think of this proposal:
1213 2014-09-09 14:38:55 <bsm117532> What if we make a direct clone of bitcoin and maintain a private blockchain?  This will allow me to follow and contribute to
1214 2014-09-09 14:38:55 <bsm117532> bitcoin while also contributing to this new coin.  The coin, initially will not have any coinbase reward and the only nodes/miners will be run by the company issuing it.
1215 2014-09-09 14:39:28 <bsm117532> Its value will be pegged to BTC or some other asset like USD.  Atsome point in the future we could choose to "release" the coin from its peg, add a coinbase reward, and recruit miners.
1216 2014-09-09 14:39:28 <bsm117532> By establishing a market for the coin first (while having a peg to BTC) we hope to avoid the speculation & pump/dump that plagues altcoins, since they have no inherent value.
1217 2014-09-09 14:39:49 <bsm117532> Thoughts?
1218 2014-09-09 14:40:34 <andytoshi> bsm117532: you can't ask altcoin questions here ... -wizards might be more appropriate ... but thoughts are, you would not make a private blockchain by cloning bitcoin
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1220 2014-09-09 14:41:13 <bsm117532> Sorry, thought this would be the most appropriate place.  Intention is to work on/follow bitcoin.
1221 2014-09-09 14:41:44 <andytoshi> -wizards is fine if you wanna chat about the peg mechanism
1222 2014-09-09 14:41:55 <bsm117532> I'll ask there...but it seems out of scope relative to ECDSA conversations.  ;-)
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1327 2014-09-09 16:28:58 <jgarzik> gavinandresen, gmaxwell: Maybe some review for the stupid and forgetful (me)...   what are the goals served by remembering orphan transactions?
1328 2014-09-09 16:29:12 <jgarzik> IMO you should only need to remember wallet orphans
1329 2014-09-09 16:29:20 <jgarzik> others will get retransmitted (or not)
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1331 2014-09-09 16:29:28 <sipa> being able to deal with out of order announced transactions
1332 2014-09-09 16:29:36 <sipa> only wallet transactions are reannounced
1333 2014-09-09 16:29:57 <brisque> jgarzik: I don't think you can assume that in the current network. the vast majority of wallets in use never rebroadcast transactions.
1334 2014-09-09 16:29:57 <sipa> if they depend on other unconfirmed transaction that your node misses, you can't process them
1335 2014-09-09 16:30:17 <jgarzik> correction: wallet tx's and their deps
1336 2014-09-09 16:30:29 <jgarzik> any reason to remember unrelated?  ie. some might crop up during a reorg.
1337 2014-09-09 16:30:59 <sipa> just for ehatever reason if you only receive a second one in a chain
1338 2014-09-09 16:31:04 <sipa> maybe you just connected
1339 2014-09-09 16:31:26 <jgarzik> the consequences of failing that are low, and have to be handled anyway
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1341 2014-09-09 16:31:31 <sipa> maybe the first one was one your peer already knew, so it didn't relay it
1342 2014-09-09 16:31:35 <jgarzik> it doesn't add much value
1343 2014-09-09 16:31:56 <sipa> i would like to test that assumption first
1344 2014-09-09 16:32:13 <sipa> see mempool growth in a double test for examplr
1345 2014-09-09 16:33:09 <sipa> note that in general, nodes only announce each tx only once
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1347 2014-09-09 16:33:58 <sipa> if you're not connecting to a rebroadcasting wallet node dirextly, and for whatever reason you miss the first announcement, or it happens in different order from different peers, you will miss that transaction without orphan pool
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1356 2014-09-09 16:40:52 <blast_> hmm
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1374 2014-09-09 16:54:04 <jgarzik> sipa, sure, but it is a partial effort in any case
1375 2014-09-09 16:54:23 <jgarzik> sipa, there are many cases where you come online at a different time, and simply miss those tx altogether
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1377 2014-09-09 16:56:17 <jgarzik> people typically have an economic incentive to get transactions confirmed, and will manually rebroadcast via bitcoind restart (or blockchain.info push)
1378 2014-09-09 16:56:53 <jgarzik> it is difficult to see a case where a random third party remembering random third party orphans adds much value
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1386 2014-09-09 17:03:42 <sipa> jgarzik: i'm just saying that it has a use case; i don't know how often it used used or needed, but let's not just throw it away without having numbers
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1435 2014-09-09 17:31:01 <reticular> a lot of brains in here for it to be so quiet
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1444 2014-09-09 17:34:12 <reticular> anyone looking for new development?  probably Java or Node, restful interface
1445 2014-09-09 17:34:30 <sipa> not here
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1448 2014-09-09 17:38:39 <reticular> Coinsafe solution for decreased transaction times is a fantastic step forward, but 10 seconds is still too long.  We should strive for sub-second confirmations with 99% accuracy
1449 2014-09-09 17:40:15 <sipa> bitcoin-the-technology simply can't do that due to the laws of physics (information does not travel across the globe fast enough)
1450 2014-09-09 17:40:21 <reticular> a decentralized model that provides probabilistic guarantees.  That probability increases as you get closer to 10 minutes of course.
1451 2014-09-09 17:40:50 <reticular> let the customer decide what probability they deem worth the risk.  95% , 99%  99.9999%
1452 2014-09-09 17:41:13 <sipa> even confirmations in the blockchain are probabilistic
1453 2014-09-09 17:41:28 <sipa> anything below that is not even going to give you a number
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1455 2014-09-09 17:41:53 <reticular> Exposing that probability as the transactions are recorded can have value
1456 2014-09-09 17:42:17 <sipa> do you have any actual ideas on how to accomplish that?
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1458 2014-09-09 17:43:18 <gavinandresen> sipa: I do…  (have miners gossip about the blocks they’re working on)
1459 2014-09-09 17:43:24 <reticular> Yes, I have actual ideas on how to accomplish that.  Will my ideas work... no idea.
1460 2014-09-09 17:43:34 <sipa> gavinandresen: if that includes PoW, sure
1461 2014-09-09 17:43:53 <sipa> you're doing something like p2pool style shares that offer sub-confirmations
1462 2014-09-09 17:43:58 <gavinandresen> exactly
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1464 2014-09-09 17:44:20 <sipa> reticular: then talk about those :)
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1467 2014-09-09 17:44:45 <Luke-Jr> the main (only?) downside I see to that method is that lucky blocks won't get the same benefit as not-so-lucky ones. but maybe not a real issue.
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1471 2014-09-09 17:45:40 <sipa> Luke-Jr: hmm?
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1473 2014-09-09 17:46:28 <Luke-Jr> sipa: if your block is the first one satisfying the gossip PoW
1474 2014-09-09 17:46:36 <gavinandresen> Luke’s saying that if a block is found really quickly, before a miner even has a chance to broadcast “here’s what I’m working on”, it won’t propagate as fast
1475 2014-09-09 17:46:42 <reticular> interesting with the "egging" attitude.  I've been a developer for way to many years to be impacted by developer arrogance.
1476 2014-09-09 17:47:24 <gavinandresen> … but we can hyper-optimize block propagation in any case, whether they’re “this is what I’m working on and I ALMOST solved it” or satisfies-full-POW blocks.
1477 2014-09-09 17:47:59 <sipa> reticular: i just mean you're just talking about sole vaulgue and hard goal that obviously everyone would want if it had no cost. the interesting part is how to do it :)
1478 2014-09-09 17:48:07 <sipa> *some vague
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1481 2014-09-09 17:49:01 <sipa> gavinandresen, Luke-Jr: there are two separate goals here; faster propagation and more granular confirmation
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1483 2014-09-09 17:50:01 <gavinandresen> sipa: yes, two separate problems. But I think solving them together incentivizes miners to run the new code that can support much finer-grain confirmation confidence
1484 2014-09-09 17:50:10 <sipa> right
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1486 2014-09-09 17:51:38 <Luke-Jr> I'd worry about people using it as evidence of confirmation for unconfirmed transactions, but otherwise sounds good to me
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1488 2014-09-09 17:51:47 <sipa> well, it is
1489 2014-09-09 17:52:19 <Luke-Jr> sipa: not much more than watching for conflicting relays
1490 2014-09-09 17:52:23 <gavinandresen> Glancing at http://www.verizonenterprise.com/about/network/latency/ …. it might be possible to get reasonable confidence about low-value transactions in under a second.
1491 2014-09-09 17:52:29 <Luke-Jr> it's still completely vulnerable to a finney attack
1492 2014-09-09 17:52:50 <Luke-Jr> which is sadly just a matter of cost today
1493 2014-09-09 17:53:36 <sipa> Luke-Jr: right, it is proof.of work, but not work others can build on, and there is no value in it, so also nothing to lose by not building on it
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1497 2014-09-09 17:55:51 <petertodd> sipa: it's proof that you did some mining, without much evidence that you won't change your mind later
1498 2014-09-09 17:56:12 <sipa> petertodd: right
1499 2014-09-09 17:56:18 <petertodd> sipa: which of course in a decentralized network is a silly statement to make as there is no concept of identities
1500 2014-09-09 17:56:52 <sipa> well it may make sense to observe that an estimated X% of mining power likes your transaction
1501 2014-09-09 17:57:06 <sipa> it's in no way a guarantee though indeed
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1503 2014-09-09 17:57:13 <petertodd> sipa: yeah, for one it's good evidence you aren't being sybil attacked
1504 2014-09-09 17:57:32 <petertodd> sipa: why I proposed the idea myself ages ago :P
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1525 2014-09-09 18:08:13 <dhill> 2046 tx block.  wonder what the highest is so far.
1526 2014-09-09 18:09:42 <dgenr8> #4570 is quite complimentary to the block pre-publish idea
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1556 2014-09-09 18:34:38 <sipa> gavinandresen: I saw; thanks!
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1703 2014-09-09 20:48:12 <earlz> Has there ever been any consideration of making satoshi's address be banned, out of safety, especially with all this hacker speculation
1704 2014-09-09 20:48:37 <earlz> I know forks of any sort are crazy tlak, but wondeirng if it's been considered
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1707 2014-09-09 20:50:21 <brisque> that's not going to happen, not in the least you can't say which are "his".
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1709 2014-09-09 20:51:06 <sipa> earlz: i gave it about 17ms consideration, which resulted in a resolute "no way!"
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1711 2014-09-09 20:52:01 <earlz> eh, I think it'd be worth considering, but it is almost like censorship or some such
1712 2014-09-09 20:52:13 <sipa> it IS censorship
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1714 2014-09-09 20:52:24 <brisque> it's a slippery slope, and you can't even say why or what would need to be "blocked"
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1716 2014-09-09 20:53:38 <earlz> you'd block any spend from that public key in future blocks
1717 2014-09-09 20:53:46 <brisque> what public key?
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1719 2014-09-09 20:54:13 <earlz> the one used in all the early blocks. The ones that were mined by Satoshi
1720 2014-09-09 20:54:28 <brisque> there's no singular pubkey used in early blocks.
1721 2014-09-09 20:54:44 <brisque> they were made as they should have been, with unique output scriptPubKeys
1722 2014-09-09 20:55:25 <earlz> I thought there was an address with a huge hoard of bitcoin's somehow provably linked to satoshi
1723 2014-09-09 20:55:29 <helo> there's no way to know who controls what address' key... it could end up banning some of hal's coin
1724 2014-09-09 20:55:47 <brisque> earlz: many people have claimed that, only to have the real owner step forward.
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1726 2014-09-09 20:56:00 <earlz> how do people even estimate satoshi's total owned bitcoins then
1727 2014-09-09 20:56:01 <sipa> earlz: yup, there was one horrible paper which claimed that some time ago
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1729 2014-09-09 20:56:10 <brisque> earlz: they don't, they pull it out of their ass.
1730 2014-09-09 20:56:14 <sipa> earlz: it was immediately debunked
1731 2014-09-09 20:56:25 <sipa> there are some indications that result in a guess
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1737 2014-09-09 21:03:47 <hearn> earlz: what's your goal exactly? to protect satoshi from being hacked or stop him spending his own money?
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1742 2014-09-09 21:09:10 <earlz> I assume satoshi does not want to ever spend those coins
1743 2014-09-09 21:09:34 <earlz> I would not doubt that he destroyed the wallet they were mined with
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1745 2014-09-09 21:10:08 <sipa> earlz: in that case, does it matter?
1746 2014-09-09 21:10:25 <hearn> pretty big assumption
1747 2014-09-09 21:10:29 <sipa> is it worth the risk of throwing the concept of a currency that is fully under your own control our the window?
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1749 2014-09-09 21:10:55 <hearn> earlz: or are you worried about someone selling off all the coins?
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1751 2014-09-09 21:11:10 <earlz> in theory miners could ban it themselves and fork anyway
1752 2014-09-09 21:11:54 <sipa> unfortunately, yes
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1756 2014-09-09 21:16:59 <earlz> I'm most worried about if hackers were to get satoshi's wallet, or if satoshi himself was malicious.. the amount of coins estimated to be held by those early mined blocks would be enough to crash the market to an extreme low
1757 2014-09-09 21:17:17 <earlz> I'm not an investor. But I imagine investors would not trust much afterwards
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1760 2014-09-09 21:18:13 <earlz> and if every one dumped the price down to super low, people could give up on the whole cryptocurrency movement from lost investments and such
1761 2014-09-09 21:18:16 <sipa> if somehow the bitcoin community got around doing that to satoshi (or anyone), i would immediately sell all my coins
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1763 2014-09-09 21:18:59 <sipa> and i hope that enough people would have that reaction, so that nobody sane would consider it
1764 2014-09-09 21:19:11 <Luke-Jr> earlz: those bitcoins are Satoshi's. stealing from him for "the market" is absurd.
1765 2014-09-09 21:19:18 <helo> i would be thrilled if there was a huge supply increase from satoshi or anywhere else
1766 2014-09-09 21:20:05 <helo> everything would still pan out in the long run
1767 2014-09-09 21:20:22 <Luke-Jr> if Satoshi wishes to, he can choose to send them to an OP_RETURN
1768 2014-09-09 21:20:37 <Anduck> btw hows the gavins fee system doing? where can i find out more about it?
1769 2014-09-09 21:20:57 <sipa> Anduck: it won't do anything until it's in a release
1770 2014-09-09 21:21:07 <earlz> yea that's true.. maybe he's holding them for an eventual sell, or he's just lost the private keys to everything
1771 2014-09-09 21:21:10 <Anduck> also, is there plans to lower the default fee to like 1/10th of what it is now (0.05 usd)?
1772 2014-09-09 21:21:10 <sipa> it's in git head, and will be in 0.10
1773 2014-09-09 21:21:16 <Anduck> alright
1774 2014-09-09 21:21:19 <sipa> Anduck: it will most likely rather go up
1775 2014-09-09 21:21:47 <sipa> but i expect that at least initially it will cause some chaos until the market and ecosystem adapt to it
1776 2014-09-09 21:21:48 <Anduck> why=
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1778 2014-09-09 21:22:00 <Anduck> well, won't that make small payments very hard?
1779 2014-09-09 21:22:04 <sipa> maybe
1780 2014-09-09 21:22:17 <Anduck> whats the reason for the high fee?
1781 2014-09-09 21:22:19 <hearn> Anduck: it's supposed to just measure what miners are doing
1782 2014-09-09 21:22:28 <hearn> so after that change, there won't be any more setting of the fees
1783 2014-09-09 21:22:32 <sipa> Anduck: the fee will be whatever people are willing to pay
1784 2014-09-09 21:22:48 <sipa> the whole point is to introduce a free market
1785 2014-09-09 21:23:05 <hearn> Anduck: it's somewhat incomplete unfortunately because miners have no real way to know what they "should" accept. in theory it's some complicated tradeoff between propagation time, block size, fees, dollar value of bitcoin, dollar costs of their electricity/equipment etc
1786 2014-09-09 21:23:23 <hearn> Anduck: how many of them are capable of / interested in manually optimising this is unclear.
1787 2014-09-09 21:23:33 <hearn> Anduck: also wallets have to expose the notion of a configurable fee to their users
1788 2014-09-09 21:24:01 <hearn> and that means those wallets have to get the data in some way ... etc ... lots still left to figure out
1789 2014-09-09 21:24:56 <mr_burdell> wallets need to stop rounding the fees too
1790 2014-09-09 21:25:50 <Anduck> hmm
1791 2014-09-09 21:25:55 <earlz> has there been any consideration to stop fees from making the "true destination" easily recognizable from the change destination?
1792 2014-09-09 21:26:03 <Luke-Jr> IMO the important part is being able to change the fee after the fact.
1793 2014-09-09 21:26:03 <Anduck> is there a whitepaper/doc how the fee system will work?
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1795 2014-09-09 21:26:18 <Luke-Jr> earlz: um, that's counter-productive
1796 2014-09-09 21:26:28 <Anduck> well, i am sure there will be the "pay as little as possible" and "make sure this goes through" and possibly "slow transaction" (no fee or very small)
1797 2014-09-09 21:26:38 <Luke-Jr> earlz: the main reason the change destination is encoded the same is to try to make it harder to guess
1798 2014-09-09 21:26:39 <hearn> Anduck: no white paper
1799 2014-09-09 21:26:40 <Anduck> but what i think is that normal fees should be very very low
1800 2014-09-09 21:26:56 <Anduck> hearn: anything else? any kind of text?
1801 2014-09-09 21:27:04 <earlz> Luke-Jr: I mean making it more difficult to guess
1802 2014-09-09 21:27:06 <hearn> Anduck: none that i'm aware of i'm afraid
1803 2014-09-09 21:27:19 <Luke-Jr> Anduck: there is no "fee system". every miner has their own policies. nodes need logic to guess what fee they should provide.
1804 2014-09-09 21:27:21 <Anduck> oh..
1805 2014-09-09 21:27:25 <hearn> earlz: i think you are talking about reuse of the change address repeatedly?
1806 2014-09-09 21:27:39 <Anduck> Luke-Jr: yeah but i mean the gavins fee system which i assume will be popular
1807 2014-09-09 21:27:50 <Luke-Jr> Anduck: that's just code to guess what fee to pay
1808 2014-09-09 21:27:55 <earlz>  Spending 2 BTC, X received 1 BTC, Y received 0.9995 BTC, fee of 0.0005 BTC
1809 2014-09-09 21:28:07 <Luke-Jr> (I say "just", but it actually has to be fairly complex AI)
1810 2014-09-09 21:28:08 <earlz> easy to guess there which address is the recepient and which is the change
1811 2014-09-09 21:28:31 <hearn> in practice people send round amounts of bitcoin quite rarely
1812 2014-09-09 21:28:34 <hearn> prices are set in local currencies
1813 2014-09-09 21:28:39 <Anduck> yeah Luke-Jr i know. so gavin is doing code for it but havent explained how it'll work?
1814 2014-09-09 21:28:40 <Luke-Jr> unfortunately
1815 2014-09-09 21:28:42 <hearn> of all privacy leaks bitcoin apps have that one seems low priority
1816 2014-09-09 21:28:46 <Luke-Jr> I wish BitPay would stop rounding :x
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1818 2014-09-09 21:29:08 <earlz> hearn: I use round numbers for bitcoin quite often. I round to a nice bitcoin amount when accepting bitcoin for services at least
1819 2014-09-09 21:29:19 <hearn> ok. so don't do that :)
1820 2014-09-09 21:29:23 <Luke-Jr> ^
1821 2014-09-09 21:29:32 <earlz> so make it less humanly usable? ;)
1822 2014-09-09 21:29:35 <Luke-Jr> if you never round, this problem just goes away
1823 2014-09-09 21:29:44 <hearn> more seriously, there's no way to solve this in the current protocol that i know about.
1824 2014-09-09 21:29:54 <Luke-Jr> hearn: you can round the change and make the fee be odd
1825 2014-09-09 21:30:00 <hearn> i guess
1826 2014-09-09 21:30:17 <hearn> fees might end up being strange anyway once they float
1827 2014-09-09 21:30:25 <Luke-Jr> BCCore used to do that quietly. <.<
1828 2014-09-09 21:30:33 <Anduck> easiest is to use 'bits' and not 0.000xxxxx, then it'll be easier to see the fee
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1830 2014-09-09 21:31:36 <earlz> You could make it so that you try to make everything "rough" and in-exact
1831 2014-09-09 21:31:36 <Luke-Jr> Anduck: that's #bitcoin territory
1832 2014-09-09 21:32:16 <Anduck> Luke-Jr: yeah but.... but... i just mentioned that because it's relative to the discussion about the fee (whether it to be rounded or not rounded)
1833 2014-09-09 21:32:30 <earlz>  Spending 2 BTC, X received 1.000132912 BTC, Y received 0.99935921 BTC, fee of 0.0005 BTC
1834 2014-09-09 21:32:40 <sipa> hearn: it's possible to have 2 change outputs, with one an amount that is made to 'look similar' to the actual payment
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1836 2014-09-09 21:32:50 <earlz> little less easy to guess at least.. but eh
1837 2014-09-09 21:33:05 <earlz> sipa: that's actually a pretty awesome idea heh
1838 2014-09-09 21:33:28 <Anduck> hmm yeah
1839 2014-09-09 21:33:34 <hearn> sipa: only if the amount left over is > than the amount being sent
1840 2014-09-09 21:33:49 <hearn> but yes good point
1841 2014-09-09 21:33:57 <sipa> well, use more inputs
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1843 2014-09-09 21:34:05 <sipa> which is of course also not always possible
1844 2014-09-09 21:34:11 <earlz> The more identifying thing is when you need to spend multiple inputs (which is usually) and it links together a clump of addresses as being under one owner. I think the deterministic public key seed or whatever it was called goes a long way to solving that though
1845 2014-09-09 21:34:13 <sipa> and probably not the cheapest option
1846 2014-09-09 21:34:28 <hearn> well and merging inputs also leaks data
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1848 2014-09-09 21:34:47 <sipa> hearn: that idea was actually suggested by satoshi, in a mail i have from him from march 2011 :)
1849 2014-09-09 21:34:52 <hearn> cool
1850 2014-09-09 21:35:27 <Anduck> gavinandresen: is there some info about the fee system you're making?
1851 2014-09-09 21:35:32 <hearn> earlz: yes hd wallets are useful for avoiding address reuse
1852 2014-09-09 21:35:32 <Anduck> how it'll work etc
1853 2014-09-09 21:35:53 * edcba should hack sipa to learn true satoshi's identity and post a ransom of 1 billion BTC
1854 2014-09-09 21:36:01 <earlz> just need infrastructure to fully support hd wallets :/ Seems like tons of services are still stuck on the "generate one address per account" bit
1855 2014-09-09 21:36:32 <hearn> well there's a lot of infrastructure we need to cut down on address reuse
1856 2014-09-09 21:36:51 <Anduck> is there a hd wallet mod for bitcoind?
1857 2014-09-09 21:36:59 <Anduck> or fork / patch
1858 2014-09-09 21:37:27 <sipa> no
1859 2014-09-09 21:38:05 <sipa> i was once working on it, and have a half-finished patch somewhere, but the wallet implementation in core isn't all that important anymore imho
1860 2014-09-09 21:38:14 <sipa> until we split it off and/or turn it into an SPV client
1861 2014-09-09 21:38:30 <Luke-Jr> :<
1862 2014-09-09 21:38:31 <earlz> what is the reference wallet suppose to be used for? I never quite understood it's actual audience
1863 2014-09-09 21:38:47 <sipa> earlz: well it used to be the only wallet
1864 2014-09-09 21:38:52 <sipa> now you use whatever wallet you like
1865 2014-09-09 21:39:30 <Anduck> well, for services it's the only one pretty much
1866 2014-09-09 21:39:31 <Anduck> right?
1867 2014-09-09 21:39:47 <hearn> there are only a handful of open source wallet implementations. there are quite a few more proprietary ones.
1868 2014-09-09 21:39:49 <sipa> maybe; i don't know what people use in practice
1869 2014-09-09 21:39:57 <Luke-Jr> sipa: I like Bitcoin Core GUI. Why can't I use it? :p
1870 2014-09-09 21:40:02 <hearn> Anduck: i think services use a mix of Core and bitcoinj
1871 2014-09-09 21:40:23 <hearn> though it depends how you define "service"
1872 2014-09-09 21:40:27 <sipa> Luke-Jr: you should be able to use it! but there's no reason why its review process or implementation should depend on core...
1873 2014-09-09 21:40:27 <hearn> e.g. web wallets do their own thing
1874 2014-09-09 21:40:59 <Luke-Jr> sipa: I agree, but I don't see a reason to hold it back :|
1875 2014-09-09 21:41:20 <sipa> by splitting off i mostly mean "separate the API between them", maybe "run them as separate processes"; it doesn't mean "ditch it and don't release it anymore"
1876 2014-09-09 21:41:20 <Luke-Jr> modularity is good direction, but I don't see why everything else has to be put on hold until it's done
1877 2014-09-09 21:41:22 <hearn> Luke-Jr: is it the gui specifically you like, or the way it's implemented
1878 2014-09-09 21:41:28 <sipa> Luke-Jr: nothing is put on hold
1879 2014-09-09 21:41:38 <Luke-Jr> hearn: the GUI mainly. everything else is Broken™
1880 2014-09-09 21:41:46 <sipa> you are free to submit pull requests for it!
1881 2014-09-09 21:41:54 <iwilcox> Luke-Jr: There was me thinking you'd answer the other way around.
1882 2014-09-09 21:42:00 <hearn> heh
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1884 2014-09-09 21:42:09 <hearn> an SPV wallet with the Bitcoin Core GUI would be interesting.
1885 2014-09-09 21:42:17 <Luke-Jr> well, it's not like the other wallets have better implementation (yet?)
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1887 2014-09-09 21:42:37 <Luke-Jr> Armory and Electrum have their own non-standard HD wallet algorithms I don't really want to analyse
1888 2014-09-09 21:42:40 <earlz> has there been concern about what HD wallets would do to SPV and the general prunability of the blockchain?
1889 2014-09-09 21:42:49 <hearn> earlz: makes no difference
1890 2014-09-09 21:42:51 <Luke-Jr> earlz: they don't do anything to it
1891 2014-09-09 21:43:11 <sipa> once we have headersfirst in, i think it should be easy to run the code in a mode where the verification engine don't fetch blocks at all, but the wallet does selectively
1892 2014-09-09 21:43:18 <hearn> there's just one last thing i need to fix in bitcoinj and then wallets using it will become bip32 with the suggested tree structure as they upgrade
1893 2014-09-09 21:43:26 <earlz> eh, yea you're right now that I think about it.. it's all inputs, just with different addresses instead of a single address
1894 2014-09-09 21:43:31 <sipa> which would pretty easily turn it into a headers-only core + SPV wallet
1895 2014-09-09 21:43:40 <sipa> ... in practice it will be harder of course
1896 2014-09-09 21:43:42 <Anduck> was bitcoinj spv only?
1897 2014-09-09 21:43:50 <hearn> it can be run in full verification mode too
1898 2014-09-09 21:44:07 <sipa> hearn: how complete is the full verification?
1899 2014-09-09 21:44:07 <hearn> in practice i'm not sure how many people use it. i know some companies do. there are lots of bcj users who we only find out about when they have a question or problem.
1900 2014-09-09 21:44:08 <Luke-Jr> earlz: inputs don't have addresses at all..
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1902 2014-09-09 21:44:24 <hearn> maybe 90%, 95%. it doesn't implement the block v2 rule
1903 2014-09-09 21:44:31 <hearn> other than that i think it's got all the consensus rules
1904 2014-09-09 21:44:32 <earlz> well, it's all just a script I know. petty details :P
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1907 2014-09-09 21:44:55 <hearn> it's slower than Core though and certainly after headers first it will be. i just tell people to connect it to a real Core node
1908 2014-09-09 21:44:59 <Luke-Jr> earlz: in this case, not a petty detail. the address the UTXO was received with has absolutely no relevance to the input spending it.
1909 2014-09-09 21:45:02 <Anduck> i guess i need to read the code of the new feee system then =I
1910 2014-09-09 21:45:17 <hearn> Anduck: fee estimation works like this
1911 2014-09-09 21:45:39 <hearn> Anduck: Core watches transactions as they arrive in the mempool i.e. as they are made. it records the time they were first seen and calculates their fee/priority
1912 2014-09-09 21:45:43 <sipa> hearn: is it possible to have it maintain a utxo set and do all normal validation, but accept every script as valid?
1913 2014-09-09 21:46:00 <hearn> Anduck: then it watches to see how long it takes for them to confirm
1914 2014-09-09 21:46:05 <sipa> hearn: that's sort of what you want if you run behind core and don't want any forking risk from bugs in the script implementation
1915 2014-09-09 21:46:53 <hearn> Anduck: from this it records a bunch of data samples and calculates the median for each block time window. e.g. it can tell you "the median fee paid to get confirmed within three blocks is X"
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1917 2014-09-09 21:47:18 <hearn> Anduck: http://bitcoincore.org/smartfee/fee_graph.html
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1920 2014-09-09 21:47:25 <hearn> Anduck: http://bitcoincore.org/smartfee/
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1922 2014-09-09 21:47:31 <Anduck> thanks!
1923 2014-09-09 21:47:34 <hearn> sipa: well you'd just use SPV mode i think in that case
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1925 2014-09-09 21:47:49 <hearn> sipa: but yes there is a setting to disable script execution
1926 2014-09-09 21:47:51 <Luke-Jr> hearn: I think sipa means if your application needs a UTXO database
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1928 2014-09-09 21:48:24 <hearn> right. then yes you can calculate just the database and not run scripts.
1929 2014-09-09 21:48:53 <hearn> some people use it because it has support for indexing the utxo set. so you can query outputs by address.
1930 2014-09-09 21:49:05 <sipa> hearn: right; that's what i mean - if your service needs access to blockchain/utxo set/..., but you're still running behind a trusted core instance
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1934 2014-09-09 21:50:41 <hearn> Anduck: so the theory is, wallets can download this data from <handwave> (probably bitcoincore.org) and then offer users a "Confirm within 10 minutes, 20 minutes, 30 minutes" etc slider.
1935 2014-09-09 21:50:46 <hearn> Anduck: with the fee changing depending on what is selected.
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1938 2014-09-09 21:50:54 <Luke-Jr> hearn: can you query outputs by script? if they don't have an equivalent address?
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1940 2014-09-09 21:51:48 <hearn> Anduck: then if there are lots of transactions sitting around in the mempool miners should (in theory) say "hey free money" and increase their block size to scoop them up early, if doing so doesn't increase their orphan rate unacceptably.
1941 2014-09-09 21:51:53 <hearn> Anduck: then that forces down prices for everyone
1942 2014-09-09 21:52:02 <hearn> Anduck: in practice mining is not at all a competitive or decentralised market today
1943 2014-09-09 21:52:07 <hearn> Anduck: so whether this happens or not .... who knows.
1944 2014-09-09 21:52:36 <hearn> Anduck: but that's the direction we're heading in. but we need basically the whole community to upgrade here, especially as it's not really meaningful for the sender to pick this. it's the recipient who is gonna wait for the confirm.
1945 2014-09-09 21:52:49 <hearn> Anduck: so there's lots of signalling involved. pain in the ass really, but there you go.
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1947 2014-09-09 21:53:04 <Anduck> well.. changing the subject totally: how about the new mining scheme (also introduced by gavin), any news about this?
1948 2014-09-09 21:53:04 <hearn> Luke-Jr: no unfortunately not. i dunno why not. the guy who implemented this did it for his company and donated it back.
1949 2014-09-09 21:53:17 <sipa> Anduck: you mean block relay mechanism?
1950 2014-09-09 21:53:18 <Anduck> well, i guess spv nodes could read the current fee estimates data themselves too?
1951 2014-09-09 21:53:19 <hearn> Luke-Jr: so i guess his company didn't need it. it does index p2sh outputs properly though
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1953 2014-09-09 21:53:21 <Anduck> sipa: yes
1954 2014-09-09 21:53:23 <sipa> Anduck: it has little to do with mining
1955 2014-09-09 21:53:40 <Anduck> well, it's the thing what keeps some pools from making big blocks
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1957 2014-09-09 21:53:47 <sipa> maybe
1958 2014-09-09 21:54:00 <hearn> Anduck: there are various protocols spv clients could use with varying degrees of complexity vs decentralisation/trustlessness. in practice changing the bitcoin protocol has become such a massive PITA that i guess we'll just go with the centralised solution for the forseeable future.
1959 2014-09-09 21:54:12 <Anduck> when miners dont have any reason to not include transactions in a block, they will include them because then it's just free money
1960 2014-09-09 21:54:26 <Anduck> alright
1961 2014-09-09 21:54:43 <hearn> well assuming they're paying attention
1962 2014-09-09 21:54:52 <hearn> and the amounts of money are sufficient to motivate them
1963 2014-09-09 21:54:58 <hearn> i suspect we may end up needing to automate block size selection for miners
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1965 2014-09-09 21:55:28 <hearn> i.e. miners define an orphan rate they'd consider to be unacceptable and it keeps increasing the block size until orphaning rate goes over that level
1966 2014-09-09 21:55:30 <hearn> or something
1967 2014-09-09 21:55:33 <Anduck> when the pool gets absolutely no meaningless harm from including all txs they can i am sure miners will also choose a pool which does it.
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1969 2014-09-09 21:56:22 <Anduck> though, as mentioned, these days mining isnt very decentralized
1970 2014-09-09 21:57:21 <hearn> Anduck: a lot of wallets don't implement priority. fixing that would help reduce average costs too
1971 2014-09-09 21:58:06 <sipa> priority only matters (with the default bitcoin core policy) for transactions with a fee/kb below the relay fee
1972 2014-09-09 22:00:19 <hearn> yes of course. but the problem is basically any wallet (?) that isn't Core today never creates free transactions because figuring out whether they'd confirm in a reasonable time or not is too hard
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