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  28 2014-09-13 00:04:39 <gdoteof_> are there any apis/wrappers for electrum; and/or does bitcoind have an answer these days to someth ing like electrum's 'master public key' ?
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  73 2014-09-13 00:17:04 <warren> https://github.com/bitcoin/gitian.sigs  something odd is going on with the rc2 directories
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  90 2014-09-13 00:24:19 <AlSzacrel> Hello! I just discovered issue 1643, and would like to contribute to solving that. So far, I have forked the bitcoin project on Github and then I've written some code that might help alleviate the problem. I've never worked for an open-source project before and I am unsure what I am supposed to be doing next. Could anyone point me in the right direction?
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 156 2014-09-13 00:33:40 <AlSzacrel> Guest77961: Why is that? I might well be overlooking something, but I think my code would improve the described issue with the 517 single satoshi inputs.
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 164 2014-09-13 00:37:24 <phantomcircuit_> AlSzacrel, there's a lot of open issues
 165 2014-09-13 00:37:32 <phantomcircuit_> im sure one of them is a better candidate
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 168 2014-09-13 00:37:42 <phantomcircuit_> what you need to do is a pull request
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 180 2014-09-13 00:49:25 <goodbtc> sipa, i have more info about the error: http://pastebin.com/mqc7bUwB
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 199 2014-09-13 00:52:56 <goodbtc> i caanot select the text in the error
 200 2014-09-13 00:53:02 <goodbtc> I could try some ss
 201 2014-09-13 00:55:07 <sipa> what error are you talking about?
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 220 2014-09-13 01:00:10 <sipa> AlSzacrel: does this actually remove things from time to time?
 221 2014-09-13 01:00:10 <sipa> if so, it seems a cheap but potentially useful improvement to the result
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 272 2014-09-13 01:05:58 <goodbtc> and some ss: http://i.imgur.com/cC25Bxe.png
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 275 2014-09-13 01:06:17 <AlSzacrel> @sipa: I would assume that if you have a lot of small inputs you might end up with a non-minimal set of inputs even after 1000 iterations. The issue describes a transaction that added 571 single satoshis to a transaction. From my limited understanding, I think that this patch would have kicked out at least all the single satoshi inputs. It's probably only gonna matter for people with immense numbers of available UTXO
 276 2014-09-13 01:06:30 <simoncion> I asked this question in #bitcoin, but Seventoes directed me here.
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 279 2014-09-13 01:06:39 <simoncion> Is there some reason that bitcoin-qt (0.8.6) shouldn't be able to use a read-only copy of the blockchain that's managed by a bitcoind instance running on another computer?
 280 2014-09-13 01:06:44 <simoncion> When I run bitcoin-qt with such a copy netmounted to ~/.bitcoin/blockchain , btc-qt complains that "Error opening block database. Do you want to rebuild the block database now?". Answering "OK" tells me that there was an "Error opening block database".
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 293 2014-09-13 01:10:31 <simoncion> And, uh, then bitcoin-qt just exits.
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 359 2014-09-13 01:15:57 <simoncion> sipa: I was wondering if there's a good reason for bitcoin-qt to barf when it has been handed a read-only copy of the blockchain data. I can repeat the details if you're interested.
 360 2014-09-13 01:16:12 <simoncion> (The blockchain data is being managed by a running bitcoind instance on another machine.)
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 367 2014-09-13 01:16:53 <AlSzacrel> @sipa: I would assume that if you have a very large number of small inputs you might end up with a non-minimal set of inputs even after 1000 iterations. Issue#1643 describes a transaction that had 571 single satoshis added as inputs. From my limited understanding, I think that the patch I suggested would have kicked out at least all the single satoshi inputs. It's probably only gonna matter for people with immense numbers of ava
 368 2014-09-13 01:16:53 <AlSzacrel> ilable UTXO, but it would be very cheap for people with few UTXO to run anyway.
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 380 2014-09-13 01:19:19 <sipa_> AlSzacrel: well, thanks for contributing!
 381 2014-09-13 01:19:23 <sipa_> the patch looks sane to me
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 391 2014-09-13 01:21:34 <sipa> i'm not familiar enough with the coin selection code to say whether it will actually help with that particular case
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 394 2014-09-13 01:22:55 <sipa> as maybe if it accidentally ends up selecting a ton of dust inputs, maybe the target was just reached, and dropping any dust input would not be enough - they would actually need to be replaced with a larger output instead
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 408 2014-09-13 01:28:03 <AlSzacrel> @sipa: Apparently in the described case the other inputs that were selected would have been sufficient, all the 517 satoshis were unnecessary. You are correct though, a "bestSubset" that would just exactly hit the target would oust anything that exceeded the target, and you could still be forced to pay for a lot of dust that way.
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 410 2014-09-13 01:28:54 <AlSzacrel> @sipa: Will sleep a night on it, perhaps I can improve on it tomorrow. That was fun. :D
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 425 2014-09-13 01:33:43 <AlSzacrel> @sipa: on the other hand, unless you are trying to make a minuscule payment a bigger UTXO would have a much bigger chance to exceed the target, than the chance that you'd only inputs that inch closer and closer to the target to match it finally without exceeding it. Still think it should work. :)
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 528 2014-09-13 01:47:04 <nickodell> In wallet.cpp:1165, what does adding a CWalletTx to an int64 do?
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 542 2014-09-13 01:56:24 <simoncion> Is there some reason that bitcoin-qt (0.8.6) shouldn't be able to use a read-only copy of the blockchain that's managed by a bitcoind instance running on another computer?
 543 2014-09-13 01:56:30 <simoncion> When I run bitcoin-qt with such a copy netmounted to ~/.bitcoin/blockchain , btc-qt complains that "Error opening block database. Do you want to rebuild the block database now?". Answering "OK" tells me that there was an "Error opening block database".
 544 2014-09-13 01:59:21 <sipa> read only will do weird things
 545 2014-09-13 01:59:36 <sipa> you can symlink existing files into your directory, and reindex
 546 2014-09-13 01:59:56 <sipa> and then it will share the existing files with the other install, but have separate new ones
 547 2014-09-13 02:00:17 <sipa> but it builds its own index files that it needs exclusive access over or things will break
 548 2014-09-13 02:02:06 <Luke-Jr> wouldn't "block database" be referring to the LevelDB stuff?
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 551 2014-09-13 02:06:55 <simoncion> sipa, Luke-Jr blocks and blocks/index are netmounted and read-only. chainstate is local and read-write.
 552 2014-09-13 02:07:15 <Luke-Jr> simoncion: well, don't do that.
 553 2014-09-13 02:07:24 <sipa> you can't share blicks/index or chainstate
 554 2014-09-13 02:07:27 <simoncion> sipa, You're saying that for this to work I should give both bitcoind and bitcoin-qt R/W access to the blockchain data?
 555 2014-09-13 02:07:38 <sipa> they are databases that need exclusive readwrite access
 556 2014-09-13 02:07:47 <sipa> but yiu can share the individual block files
 557 2014-09-13 02:07:55 <simoncion> Oh. So if I also had a local blocks/index, then this would probably work?
 558 2014-09-13 02:07:59 <Luke-Jr> simoncion: you can't share the wallet either
 559 2014-09-13 02:08:06 <simoncion> Luke-Jr, Yep. I know that.
 560 2014-09-13 02:08:24 <Luke-Jr> simoncion: it would "work", but they would append it locally
 561 2014-09-13 02:08:31 <simoncion> Luke-Jr, With how often bitcoin-qt corrupts the wallet on shutdown, I wouldn't want to.
 562 2014-09-13 02:08:36 <Luke-Jr> at least, I made changes so it "worked" to that extent a year or so ago
 563 2014-09-13 02:08:41 <simoncion> Luke-Jr, you're talking about the wallet?
 564 2014-09-13 02:08:41 <Luke-Jr> simoncion: never? :p
 565 2014-09-13 02:08:50 <Luke-Jr> if your wallet is getting corrupted, you have a bad disk or something
 566 2014-09-13 02:08:58 <simoncion> Luke-Jr, I'm sure I don't. :)
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 570 2014-09-13 02:10:04 <simoncion> Luke-Jr, so to be clear, the notion is that one can netmount blocks read-only, and have a local, read-write blocks/index and chainstate and bitcoin-qt should probably be happy?
 571 2014-09-13 02:10:20 <simoncion> Sorry, we got to talking about wallets, too, so I wanna be sure that my understanding of the convo is correct.
 572 2014-09-13 02:10:33 <Luke-Jr> just the actual block data, yes
 573 2014-09-13 02:10:40 <simoncion> Cool. I'll go off and try that. Thanks!
 574 2014-09-13 02:10:44 <Luke-Jr> I don't think we "officially" support it, but it should work
 575 2014-09-13 02:10:54 <simoncion> Sure, i'm not looking for a warranty. :)
 576 2014-09-13 02:11:10 <Luke-Jr> if you're having problems with the wallet getting corrupt, I suspect you have subtle issues to worry about
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 586 2014-09-13 02:20:37 <sipa> simoncion: not just local blocks/index; also local _new_ block files
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 589 2014-09-13 02:20:52 <sipa> bitcoind will write new blocks, and expect them to be where it writes them
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 594 2014-09-13 02:20:59 <sipa> but you can share preexisting block files
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 596 2014-09-13 02:22:14 <simoncion> sipa, the idea is for bitcoind to do all of the blockchain handling and for bitcoin-qt to be a remote, graphical frontend that doesn't get to write to the blockchain data, or create *new* blockchain data.
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 603 2014-09-13 02:25:26 <sipa> simoncion: not possible
 604 2014-09-13 02:25:35 <sipa> not with the current design
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 606 2014-09-13 02:27:04 <gwillen> sipa: could you shut both down periodically, delete the files on one side, and symlink them from the other side?
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 609 2014-09-13 02:27:25 <gwillen> would this cause massive expense to reindex everything? (or worse, cause it to fail to notice that it needed to?)
 610 2014-09-13 02:29:36 <simoncion> sipa, Luke-Jr, Bah. Looks like bitcoin-qt *REQUIRES* that it be able to open blockchain data R/W.
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 612 2014-09-13 02:29:49 <phantomcircuit> simoncion, you cant do that with readonly files
 613 2014-09-13 02:29:49 <simoncion> 2014-09-13 02:20:29 Unable to open file ~/.bitcoin/blocks/blk00000.dat 2014-09-13 02:20:29 Reindexing finished
 614 2014-09-13 02:30:11 <simoncion> phantomcircuit, Can't do what?
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 616 2014-09-13 02:30:43 <phantomcircuit> simoncion, there is movement in the direction of that
 617 2014-09-13 02:30:43 <simoncion> Mmm. Would the bitcoin devs support the addition of a set of RPC calls that let a client request blockchain data?
 618 2014-09-13 02:30:57 <Luke-Jr> simoncion: …
 619 2014-09-13 02:30:57 <phantomcircuit> however there is a bunch of groundwok that has to be laid first
 620 2014-09-13 02:31:08 <sipa> simoncion: there's no need; the P2P protocol already supports that, and it's much more efficient at it
 621 2014-09-13 02:31:10 <simoncion> This would let bitcoind actually act as a blockchain server for local clients, which would be pretty killer.
 622 2014-09-13 02:31:21 <Luke-Jr> simoncion: it already does
 623 2014-09-13 02:31:45 <sipa> the plan is to split of the wallet node from the blockchain handling part
 624 2014-09-13 02:31:58 <sipa> so you'd get what you want for free, i think
 625 2014-09-13 02:32:08 <sipa> but it's much more involved than just asking for blockchain data
 626 2014-09-13 02:32:28 <sipa> you may not know, but bitcoind hardly _ever_ uses the data in the blockchain itself
 627 2014-09-13 02:32:31 <simoncion> sipa, AFAICT, the P2P protocol requires me to either run a "lite" client and trust a digest server, or download the entire blockchain.
 628 2014-09-13 02:32:38 <sipa> bingo
 629 2014-09-13 02:32:47 <sipa> the wallet would become a lite client to the full node, basically
 630 2014-09-13 02:33:09 <sipa> which, if you run it against your own full node (which would happen transparently), you have the same security model as now
 631 2014-09-13 02:33:13 <Luke-Jr> simoncion: if you're just requesting blockchain data as needed, you are trusting the server.. inherently
 632 2014-09-13 02:33:26 <simoncion> Luke-Jr, Yeah, that's why I would run my own server.
 633 2014-09-13 02:33:36 <sipa> yes, it's a very reasonable thing to ask for
 634 2014-09-13 02:33:52 <sipa> but the data set that bitcoind manages is much more complex than just block data
 635 2014-09-13 02:33:58 <Luke-Jr> simoncion: so you run a full node, then use the p2p protocol to *your* full node, to run the lite client
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 640 2014-09-13 02:34:23 <simoncion> sipa, but I get the impression that the only thing that bitcoin-qt and bitcoind consult during regular operation is the stuff in chainstate, right?
 641 2014-09-13 02:34:33 <simoncion> That's 537MB of data on my bitcoind node.
 642 2014-09-13 02:34:36 <sipa> and headers
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 644 2014-09-13 02:34:55 <simoncion> Where are the headers stored? blocks/index ?
 645 2014-09-13 02:34:57 <sipa> yes
 646 2014-09-13 02:35:13 <simoncion> That's another 45MB.
 647 2014-09-13 02:35:35 <simoncion> So, I would *Very* much rather store 600MB of data on my laptop, than 26GB. :)
 648 2014-09-13 02:35:47 <Luke-Jr> simoncion: that's just pruning then
 649 2014-09-13 02:36:00 <sipa> which is what you would get if the wallet would be a separate (lite) node
 650 2014-09-13 02:36:03 <Luke-Jr> simoncion: and offers nothing over a lite node with a trusted server
 651 2014-09-13 02:36:09 <simoncion> Luke-Jr, Does Electrum support talking the lite-protocol to bitcoind? Or is there another client that actually talks to it?
 652 2014-09-13 02:36:16 <Luke-Jr> simoncion: no
 653 2014-09-13 02:36:19 <simoncion> Or do I have to run electrum-server, too?
 654 2014-09-13 02:36:24 <simoncion> No to both?
 655 2014-09-13 02:36:40 <Luke-Jr> Bitcoin Wallet for Android does lite-protocol I believe
 656 2014-09-13 02:36:41 <sipa> simoncion: multibit or android wallet for android or hive are lite clients that speak the P2P protcol
 657 2014-09-13 02:36:45 <simoncion> Luke-Jr, I'm talking about running bitcoind on my LAN. I trust whatever server I'm running. :)
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 661 2014-09-13 02:39:25 <sipa> simoncion: so, with pruning you could have local nodes that have maybe 1GB of local storage only, with the same security model as bitcoind
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 663 2014-09-13 02:39:38 <sipa> you could connect them to a local node, but there is no real need
 664 2014-09-13 02:40:00 <sipa> however, you wouldn't be able to rescan the blockchain in wallets
 665 2014-09-13 02:40:19 <simoncion> sipa, but in order to get the pruned data, they need to be bootstrapped with a complete copy of the blockchain, whether they get it from the P2P net or elsewhere, right?
 666 2014-09-13 02:40:33 <simoncion> sipa, and you have to rescan every time you add an address?
 667 2014-09-13 02:40:36 <sipa> simoncion: yes
 668 2014-09-13 02:40:39 <simoncion> to both?
 669 2014-09-13 02:40:42 <sipa> yes
 670 2014-09-13 02:40:44 <simoncion> k
 671 2014-09-13 02:41:01 <sipa> well, if you add an address that was potentially used before
 672 2014-09-13 02:41:06 <Luke-Jr> ^
 673 2014-09-13 02:41:10 <sipa> if you add a fresh address there is no such need
 674 2014-09-13 02:41:11 <Luke-Jr> new addresses don't need a rescan
 675 2014-09-13 02:41:23 <phantomcircuit> sipa, getinfo is returning difficulty: 1.0000 but submitting blocks with difficulty=1 results in "Incorrect proof of work"
 676 2014-09-13 02:41:31 <Luke-Jr> simoncion: for rescanning, you basically need a non-pruned node
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 678 2014-09-13 02:41:48 <sipa> phantomcircuit: testnet special 20-minute rule
 679 2014-09-13 02:41:52 <Luke-Jr> (for full security)
 680 2014-09-13 02:41:59 <sipa> getinfo reports the difficulty of the last block iirc
 681 2014-09-13 02:42:05 <phantomcircuit> ah
 682 2014-09-13 02:42:17 <phantomcircuit> ok so i'll mangle the timestamps...
 683 2014-09-13 02:43:21 <simoncion> Ah, slowly and carefully reading the rpc dox, I see getblockhash(0), and getblock, which I guess could be used to create a BTC client that uses a remote copy of the blockchain?
 684 2014-09-13 02:44:04 <sipa> well, but just the blockchain is not what you need
 685 2014-09-13 02:44:32 <sipa> but yes i guess
 686 2014-09-13 02:44:54 <sipa> you can however do the exact same thing with the p2p protocol, which has getheaders and getdata
 687 2014-09-13 02:45:09 <sipa> and you'll even get live announcements of new blocks and transactions
 688 2014-09-13 02:45:18 <sipa> so you wouldn't need to poll all the time
 689 2014-09-13 02:45:37 <sipa> in fact, the p2p protocol handling is optimized to that
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 692 2014-09-13 02:48:19 <jgarzik> Indeed.  Drives me crazy to see these Poll-RPC solutions...
 693 2014-09-13 02:48:21 <simoncion> I assume that the p2p protocol isn't in bitcoin 0.8?
 694 2014-09-13 02:48:24 <sipa> ...
 695 2014-09-13 02:48:33 <sipa> the p2p protocol is what bitcoin nodes use to talk to eachother
 696 2014-09-13 02:48:37 <jgarzik> simoncion, the p2p protocol _is_ bitcoin.
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 698 2014-09-13 02:49:21 <simoncion> Mm, I thought so.
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 701 2014-09-13 02:50:19 <Luke-Jr> simoncion: why do you think you want to use 0.8 anyway?
 702 2014-09-13 02:50:51 <simoncion> Luke-Jr, because it's what I currently have installed?
 703 2014-09-13 02:51:27 <simoncion> So, I guess I should refine my question.
 704 2014-09-13 02:51:37 <phantomcircuit> sipa, ffs someone is setting testnet blocks to like 1 hour in the future
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 706 2014-09-13 02:51:53 <simoncion> (Based on the new info that you guys have very graciously provided to me.) :)
 707 2014-09-13 02:52:18 <sipa> simoncion: so part of the problem is that the wallet code very strongly relies on having a local blockchain available to query
 708 2014-09-13 02:52:36 <simoncion> sipa, Is that going to be fixed any time soon?
 709 2014-09-13 02:52:54 <simoncion> Or would patches to add a "remote blockchain" mode of operation be accepted?
 710 2014-09-13 02:53:09 <simoncion> Er, let's call it "Blockchain on the LAN"
 711 2014-09-13 02:53:10 <robertjw> Is their any issue with running two instances of bitcoind on the same system provided that they each run out of their own datadir?
 712 2014-09-13 02:53:15 <sipa> simoncion: i don't think you understand how much work that would be
 713 2014-09-13 02:53:23 <simoncion> sipa, That wasn't my question.
 714 2014-09-13 02:53:24 <simoncion> :)
 715 2014-09-13 02:53:58 <sipa> simoncion: the current plan is to have a mode at some point (within let's say ~months) that makes it function as a light client
 716 2014-09-13 02:54:05 <Luke-Jr> simoncion: people are actively working on patches to add a "remote blockchain" mode of operation
 717 2014-09-13 02:54:12 <sipa> no; not really
 718 2014-09-13 02:54:18 <simoncion> sipa, "it" is bitcoin-qt?
 719 2014-09-13 02:54:26 <sipa> light mode is still using a local chain; just one without the full block data
 720 2014-09-13 02:54:38 <sipa> simoncion: yes
 721 2014-09-13 02:55:06 <sipa> so you would be running a (bitcoind with full chain) + (bitcoin-qt in light mode)
 722 2014-09-13 02:55:41 <simoncion> sipa, Could I configure the bitcoin-qt lite to use my bitcoind full as the sole source of its data?
 723 2014-09-13 02:55:47 <sipa> yes
 724 2014-09-13 02:55:56 <simoncion> Ah! That's exactly what I was looking for. Cool!
 725 2014-09-13 02:55:58 <sipa> all of this hypothetically speaking
 726 2014-09-13 02:56:05 <simoncion> ee, that sounds bad.
 727 2014-09-13 02:56:12 <sipa> none of this actually exists - though steps towards it are being worked on
 728 2014-09-13 02:56:26 <simoncion> So, does any stable version of bitcoind exist that will feed data to a bitcoin lite client?
 729 2014-09-13 02:56:38 <sipa> yes, each and every release ever
 730 2014-09-13 02:56:45 <sipa> as light mode was part of the design from the start
 731 2014-09-13 02:57:00 <sipa> and such lite clients exist too
 732 2014-09-13 02:57:17 <simoncion> I looked at electrum, but its user docs are pretty... chatty. :)
 733 2014-09-13 02:57:18 <sipa> but bitcoin-qt itself today cannot work as lite client; only as server to lite clients
 734 2014-09-13 02:57:30 <simoncion> I'll install it then and take a look at its config file.
 735 2014-09-13 02:57:33 <sipa> electrum doesn't use the p2p protocol directly; it speaks to its own specialized servers
 736 2014-09-13 02:57:37 <simoncion> Ugh.
 737 2014-09-13 02:57:47 <simoncion> Oh, so multibit would be a BTC lite client?
 738 2014-09-13 02:57:49 <sipa> yes
 739 2014-09-13 02:57:56 <simoncion> Cool!
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 741 2014-09-13 02:58:02 <sipa> (though i can't vouch for its quality)
 742 2014-09-13 02:58:08 <simoncion> BTW, thanks *so much* for your patience, guys. :D
 743 2014-09-13 02:58:11 <sipa> yw!
 744 2014-09-13 02:58:13 <Luke-Jr> last I checked multibit was pretty bad
 745 2014-09-13 02:58:20 <Luke-Jr> but that was a while ago
 746 2014-09-13 02:58:34 <sipa> i believe multibit is being rewritten, and i've heard good things about the rewrite
 747 2014-09-13 02:58:38 <Luke-Jr> cool
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 774 2014-09-13 03:26:35 <phantomcircuit> sipa, er... walletpassphrase rpc call causes literally all of the encrypted keys in a wallet to be decrypted
 775 2014-09-13 03:26:49 <phantomcircuit> seems like it should just be decrypting the master key
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 779 2014-09-13 03:33:08 <phantomcircuit> sipa, lol
 780 2014-09-13 03:33:13 <phantomcircuit>             if (key.GetPubKey() != vchPubKey)
 781 2014-09-13 03:33:34 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell,
 782 2014-09-13 03:33:36 <phantomcircuit> 1e21c17d (Gregory Maxwell          2014-04-06 00:18:52 -0700 177)             if (key.GetPubKey() != vchPubKey)
 783 2014-09-13 03:33:39 <phantomcircuit> why you do dis to me
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 790 2014-09-13 03:41:52 <phantomcircuit> shrug oh well i'll fix this
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 806 2014-09-13 04:08:37 <Luke-Jr> is 0.9.3 before or after the simplified %d-for-any-number-type change?
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 810 2014-09-13 04:12:39 <jgarzik> some Satoshi emails are popping up on reddit
 811 2014-09-13 04:14:13 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: #bitcoin ;p
 812 2014-09-13 04:16:00 <jgarzik> Well I think "Mike & Gavin should fork bitcoin.git" is on-topic ;p
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 815 2014-09-13 04:17:50 <Luke-Jr> jgarzik: shrug, I'd say go for it just so we have multiple codebases
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1034 2014-09-13 06:57:49 <Luke-Jr> sigh.
1035 2014-09-13 06:58:01 <Luke-Jr> someone broke my 1stclassmsg patch, and I don't see how to fix it :|
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1039 2014-09-13 07:07:32 <Aquent> wow, mike hern wants to fork?
1040 2014-09-13 07:08:02 <Aquent> well, considered the idea*
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1052 2014-09-13 07:19:34 <Luke-Jr> Aquent: it's a good idea
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1054 2014-09-13 07:19:47 <Luke-Jr> cfields: make src/qt/bitcoin-qt <-- does not rebuild if files changed :/
1055 2014-09-13 07:20:23 <Aquent> duno if you read the leaked email from mike hearn
1056 2014-09-13 07:20:55 <Aquent> "Forking Bitcoin-Qt/Core has been coming up more and more often lately in conversation (up from zero not that long ago). Gavin even suggested me and him fork it ... I pointed out that maintainers don't normally fork their own software :)"
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1059 2014-09-13 07:21:16 <Aquent> "I know you won't return and that's wise, but sometimes I wish you'd left a clearer design manifesto before handing the reigns over to Gavin, who is increasingly burned out due to all the arguments (as am I)."
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1061 2014-09-13 07:21:49 <Aquent> don't think he gets the point of decentralized if he wants satoshi to order people around
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1063 2014-09-13 07:22:40 <Luke-Jr> Aquent: he probably doesn't, but that's off-topic here
1064 2014-09-13 07:23:18 <Aquent> well the forking consideration isn't off topic?
1065 2014-09-13 07:23:46 <Luke-Jr> Aquent: borderline topic - it's only on-topic insofar as it relates to development of it
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1077 2014-09-13 07:30:50 <Aquent> well, Luke-Jr I am not a Bitcoin developer. I just wanted to know if this forking idea is being considered seriously?
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1079 2014-09-13 07:31:38 <wumpus> everyone is free to fork bitcoin repository, including the maintainer, or even satoshi :p
1080 2014-09-13 07:31:42 <Luke-Jr> ^
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1082 2014-09-13 07:32:03 <Luke-Jr> Aquent: forking would be a good thing; we just don't have sufficient resources period.
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1084 2014-09-13 07:32:21 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: can you aide in fixing 1stclassmsg plz? :|
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1086 2014-09-13 07:32:33 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: what's the problem?
1087 2014-09-13 07:32:34 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: when I click the tab thing, it pops up the stupid window
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1091 2014-09-13 07:33:10 <wumpus> which window is 'the stupid window'?
1092 2014-09-13 07:33:13 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: I pushed 1stclassmsg-0.9.x branch to my github if you want to see the current code
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1094 2014-09-13 07:33:17 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: the sign/verify window
1095 2014-09-13 07:33:23 <Luke-Jr> which I want embedded as a tab
1096 2014-09-13 07:33:49 <wumpus> I had that with the debug window as well at some point
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1098 2014-09-13 07:34:37 <Luke-Jr> I'm at a complete loss for what is forcing it to be a new window
1099 2014-09-13 07:34:52 <wumpus> this was it in the case: rpcConsole = new RPCConsole(enableWallet ? this : 0);
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1102 2014-09-13 07:35:15 <wumpus> if you pass a current window  to the constructor, for some reason it wants to regard it as a separate window
1103 2014-09-13 07:35:28 <Luke-Jr> O.o
1104 2014-09-13 07:35:29 <wumpus> if you pass 0, then add it as widget later, it works fine as a widget
1105 2014-09-13 07:35:35 <Luke-Jr> odd, let me try that..
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1107 2014-09-13 07:36:40 <wumpus> that was really counter-intuitive to me
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1110 2014-09-13 07:37:00 <wumpus> you can also try passing Qt::WindowFlags
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1113 2014-09-13 07:39:31 <Luke-Jr> hah, that was it
1114 2014-09-13 07:39:34 <Luke-Jr> thanks
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1118 2014-09-13 07:44:23 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: I think the problem is that we're using QDialogs, which expect to always be a top-level window
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1120 2014-09-13 07:46:01 <wumpus> all these GUI units which can both be top-level windows and embedded should just be QWidget, but that's more than a matter of just changing the class names as the code assumes they have dialog-like behavior 
1121 2014-09-13 07:46:34 <wumpus> (such as call .exec() on them) 
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1123 2014-09-13 07:47:19 <wumpus> could be solved by having a dummy "frame" QDialog and insert the widgets in that if they're used as top level
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1125 2014-09-13 07:51:43 <Luke-Jr> hmm
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1216 2014-09-13 08:36:37 <robbak> Bitty gitty question - when you download the source code from github, it extracts into a folder that includes a partial commit hash - bitcoin-bitcoin-d1911c7 for rc2. I can't find that commit on github - where does it come from?
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1226 2014-09-13 08:43:04 <Luke-Jr> robbak: it's on github
1227 2014-09-13 08:43:22 <Luke-Jr> commit cea5e4942070b842cac560803f9ba74271e26cd7 (tag: v0.9.3rc2, origin/0.9.3, 0.9.3)
1228 2014-09-13 08:43:35 <Luke-Jr> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/cea5e4942070b842cac560803f9ba74271e26cd7
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1230 2014-09-13 08:49:27 <robbak> I saw that, but that is tag cea5e49, not d1911c7. I imagine that it is the commit for the tag itself, I can't see that number.
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1233 2014-09-13 08:52:58 <wumpus> the tag itself is also an object in git
1234 2014-09-13 08:53:13 <wumpus> try "git show d1911c7"
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1237 2014-09-13 08:59:31 <robbak> That looks like it. Thanks. It's something I wanted to check, to make sure that what I had was what I should have.
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1395 2014-09-13 11:18:14 <meeperson_> mac compiling - how can I get db48 with homebrew? the make command gets this error: fatal error: 'db_cxx.h' file not found
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1462 2014-09-13 12:21:46 <Happzz> what happens to a tx that isnt confirmed for days
1463 2014-09-13 12:21:50 <Happzz> is it dropped?
1464 2014-09-13 12:21:59 <sipa> maybe
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1481 2014-09-13 12:29:55 <robertjw_> I just spent a day of time manually extracting priv keys from a corrupt wallet and after finishing this, I have a suggestion.  The cause of the wallet corruption was a "disk full" event while bitcoind was active.  My best guess is that wallet.dat was still valid at the time of the event but was corrupted by bitcoind's attempts to continue after disk space was freed.  I'm thinking that in the event of "disk full", the best stra
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1497 2014-09-13 12:42:04 <Happzz> sipa what are the other options? could it stay in mempool forever?
1498 2014-09-13 12:42:18 <Happzz> if its dropped, i could issue another tx..
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1501 2014-09-13 12:43:41 <robbak> If you enter another transaction that spends the first transactions inputs, you will force the first transaction to be dropped by any nodes with it still in their queues.
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1508 2014-09-13 12:52:12 <Happzz> robbak nodes wont take the second one because the first is already in their mempool
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1517 2014-09-13 13:00:54 <sipa> Happzz: nodes change
1518 2014-09-13 13:00:59 <sipa> they get restarted etc
1519 2014-09-13 13:01:37 <sipa> what you say is true, but there is no consistency mechanism tgat synchronizes the mempool contents
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1522 2014-09-13 13:03:52 <Happzz> so theoretically, if all nodes in the world are restarted now, they'd forget about the old tx and i could transmit a different tx?
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1524 2014-09-13 13:04:54 <Eliel> robertjw_: the wallet is handled the bdb library, so that kind of limits what can be done about it.
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1526 2014-09-13 13:05:50 <sipa> Happzz: yes
1527 2014-09-13 13:05:55 <Happzz> thanks
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1531 2014-09-13 13:06:49 <robertjw_>  Eliel:  I was thinking along the lines of removing the automatic invokation of recovery.
1532 2014-09-13 13:07:35 <sipa> hmm, was it automatic recovery that corrupted it?
1533 2014-09-13 13:08:06 <sipa> robertjw_: your message got cut off, btw
1534 2014-09-13 13:08:19 <sipa> (irc max line length of 510 characters)
1535 2014-09-13 13:08:59 <robertjw_> I can't say that for certain, what I can say is that db_dump identified a "no records" wallet.dat at conclusion.
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1652 2014-09-13 16:07:51 <dabura667> wait... do all pubkeys in redeemscripts for multisig required to be uncompressed?
1653 2014-09-13 16:09:31 <sipa> no
1654 2014-09-13 16:09:42 <sipa> i suggest nobody uses uncompressed pubkeys, ever
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1656 2014-09-13 16:13:36 <dabura667> https://blockchain.info/tx/9471928abb4d9274377319af7374cc6026cd318c368f072776a62a5e8d2225f7
1657 2014-09-13 16:13:49 <dabura667> check the redeemscript...... 2 uncompressed + 1 compressed
1658 2014-09-13 16:14:08 <dabura667> to make a 2 of 3
1659 2014-09-13 16:14:27 <dabura667> weird... anywho... thanks
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1670 2014-09-13 16:20:20 <dusty> Hello, I'm trying to push this TX to testnet but bitcoind refuses it because it's non-canonical:
1671 2014-09-13 16:20:21 <dusty> 0100000001B47B8D04F31919B52E6C483E9BFCDB964D34175A415252C937902D71132DC0D6000000006A4730440220025873608028CC97B7DA21F8FFD2E4E010AC10847B94A4B8C32D275945EB5B7102205C05C54916143824D9968D92B271E6B33FD9B2F994A15049441FF2F838D75F9A01210397C141E2B4CBB2DF571492C13256D4E7A3AD27FF98F597691B64555F50BC3246FFFFFFFF0210270000000000001976A91416261458F5DD4A216970F32DA82420945AD279A488ACF8110000000000001976A914F13C225B0947290D1DED03FCCF024816A03EA14688AC00000000
1672 2014-09-13 16:21:15 <dusty> I've decoded it with https://blockchain.info/decode-tx and it seems fine, is it possible to understand what is wrong with it?
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1675 2014-09-13 16:22:45 <Happzz> "non canonical"?
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1679 2014-09-13 16:27:07 <gmaxwell> dusty: it should say in the log why your signature is non-canonical.,
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1681 2014-09-13 16:27:20 <gmaxwell> It means your DER encoding is invalid in some way.
1682 2014-09-13 16:29:54 <Happzz> gmaxwell if i broadcast a tx with high fee, that uses an output of another tx that was broadcasted earlier with insufficient fees, going to make the improper feed tx confirm faster?
1683 2014-09-13 16:31:17 <dusty> gmaxwell: found, thanks
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1685 2014-09-13 16:32:17 <sipa> Happzz: no
1686 2014-09-13 16:32:29 <sipa> though there were some patches for that, i doubt many miners/nodes have those
1687 2014-09-13 16:32:42 <Happzz> i think it makes sense to implement that..
1688 2014-09-13 16:33:00 <sipa> it's very nontrivial, actually
1689 2014-09-13 16:33:01 <sipa> but yes
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1692 2014-09-13 16:36:26 <dabura667> Happzz: Push the tx to Eligius, afaik they do Child-pays-for-parent... I have gotten confirms from them before using this method.
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1694 2014-09-13 16:38:27 <Happzz> any easy way to push to them?
1695 2014-09-13 16:39:43 <Happzz> i know blockchain.info has a web page for that
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1700 2014-09-13 16:47:16 <dabura667> http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/pushtxn.php
1701 2014-09-13 16:47:20 <jgarzik> Freenode server compromised?  https://twitter.com/freenodestaff
1702 2014-09-13 16:47:21 <dabura667> Happzz
1703 2014-09-13 16:47:33 <dabura667> jgarzik: changed my password.
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1737 2014-09-13 17:21:48 <Happzz> dabura667 thanks
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1763 2014-09-13 17:47:33 <earlz> So, is it possible to use gitian for builds on a VPS?
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1818 2014-09-13 18:48:59 <wumpus> earlz: yes, if you use gitian with lxc you can use it in any kind of virtualization
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1831 2014-09-13 19:07:21 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: except LXC or OpenVZ..
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1857 2014-09-13 19:45:41 <factorialsquare> what does walletconflict field mean in the listtransaction  command?
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1862 2014-09-13 19:51:55 <hearn> factorialsquare: double spend or mutant
1863 2014-09-13 19:53:50 <factorialsquare> hearn: what will it have for consequences?
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1866 2014-09-13 19:55:18 <factorialsquare> won't I be able to spend them?
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1905 2014-09-13 20:30:28 <btcdrak> https://plus.google.com/+freenode/posts/74QDdpmE5pt freenode servers have been hacked. change your password
1906 2014-09-13 20:31:12 <nullbyte> fucking..
1907 2014-09-13 20:32:04 <DanMAbraham> uhm
1908 2014-09-13 20:32:07 <DanMAbraham> of course they have
1909 2014-09-13 20:32:14 <DanMAbraham> and if you click on that link
1910 2014-09-13 20:32:18 <DanMAbraham> your computer will likely get hacked
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1912 2014-09-13 20:34:13 <btcdrak> danmabraham, go google it and look on reddit. Even check the new MOTD when connecting to freenode, it's for real.
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1914 2014-09-13 20:37:02 <guruvan> got wallops today...yes compromised servers
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1916 2014-09-13 20:37:35 <teward> DanMAbraham: that's a google+ post, not a rogue link.
1917 2014-09-13 20:37:44 <teward> DanMAbraham: having said this, there's wallops supporting that
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1919 2014-09-13 20:38:13 <teward> Check the staff blog too: http://blog.freenode.net/2014/09/server-issues-2/
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