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   9 2014-09-19 00:11:27 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, pm
  10 2014-09-19 00:12:13 <phantomcircuit> <chichov> [22:27:39] you cannot know the size and therefore the fee before the transaction is signed
  11 2014-09-19 00:12:17 <phantomcircuit> you most certainly can
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  24 2014-09-19 00:30:10 <phantomcircuit> has anybody considered changing the timestamp value in the block such that values below the current minimum value map to higher values
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  26 2014-09-19 00:30:23 <phantomcircuit> would add about 40 years to the timestamps useful lifetime
  27 2014-09-19 00:36:25 <sipa> that's how i have always assumed the timestamp shouod work
  28 2014-09-19 00:37:05 <sipa> if the timestamp of a block would ve interpreted as more than a year before the block before or so, assume it is instead sufficient mulitoles of 2**32 seconds further to be after
  29 2014-09-19 00:37:16 <sipa> we have some time to implement that
  30 2014-09-19 00:37:22 <sipa> though it is technically a hardfork
  31 2014-09-19 00:37:34 <sipa> it's easier after headersfirst though
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  33 2014-09-19 00:38:52 <sipa> right now we have a heuristics that rely on the timestamp and are incompatible with this extension
  34 2014-09-19 00:39:18 <sipa> with headersfirst those are no longer necessary as we always have all headers preceeding a block begore doing any processing on it
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  37 2014-09-19 00:40:24 <phantomcircuit> sipa, right
  38 2014-09-19 00:40:38 <sipa> in fact, a 20-bit timestamp would suffice
  39 2014-09-19 00:40:48 <phantomcircuit> it's a change that could be implemented today and has something like 30 years before it's in effect
  40 2014-09-19 00:40:55 <sipa> yup
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  42 2014-09-19 00:41:00 <sipa> faster than bip42 though
  43 2014-09-19 00:41:22 <phantomcircuit> sipa, ha
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  84 2014-09-19 01:36:48 <funman_> hi
  85 2014-09-19 01:37:00 <funman_> is there QT version that works with smart card?
  86 2014-09-19 01:37:17 <funman_> to send BTC it would require auth via smart card
  87 2014-09-19 01:37:30 <funman_> so even if wallet is copied it does not matter :)
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  90 2014-09-19 01:44:56 <sipa> no
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  97 2014-09-19 01:51:02 <Luke-Jr> funman_: note that may not be as obviously better as you might think
  98 2014-09-19 01:51:12 <funman_> Luke-Jr: how come?
  99 2014-09-19 01:51:27 <Luke-Jr> funman_: right now, you need to backup your wallet every 90 transaction or risk losing bitcoins by accident
 100 2014-09-19 01:51:33 <Luke-Jr> smartcards are not immune to accidents
 101 2014-09-19 01:51:50 <Luke-Jr> so, you need a way to regularly backup the smartcard's secrets..
 102 2014-09-19 01:51:58 <Luke-Jr> which leads back to vulnerability
 103 2014-09-19 01:52:16 <funman_> unless they can be cloned in offline laptop :)
 104 2014-09-19 01:52:28 <funman_> like house keys make 3 pairs
 105 2014-09-19 01:52:38 <funman_> once 1 is gone bad use nr 2
 106 2014-09-19 01:53:08 <Luke-Jr> except in this case, the key changes every time you use it
 107 2014-09-19 01:53:50 <funman_> maybe then protect key with a pin?
 108 2014-09-19 01:54:06 <funman_> max 3 attemps
 109 2014-09-19 01:54:58 <funman_> I am too sleepy to think it 100% throught yet I say idea got some merits
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 115 2014-09-19 02:00:20 <Luke-Jr> probably there are some "smartcards" that support this out of the box (by typing up the password as a keyboard)
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 163 2014-09-19 03:21:33 <maraoz> I'm getting "Error: Initialization sanity check failed. Bitcoin Core is shutting down." with a freshly built bitcoind from master on Mac OS X. Google didn't help. any clues?
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 165 2014-09-19 03:26:53 <robbak> What have you tried? Innitial steps are - start with a blank data directory (-datadir=/some/blank/dir), then that clean datadir with your wallet in it.
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 167 2014-09-19 03:28:29 <maraoz> forgot to mention: this is a clean machine: the wallet is not important and has no balance. I tried with a blank data dir as you suggested and got the same error. I'm trying rebuilding now
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 175 2014-09-19 03:38:10 <phantomcircuit> or however you're building is broken
 176 2014-09-19 03:38:23 <phantomcircuit> maraoz, find the debug.log file it will have more information
 177 2014-09-19 03:38:51 <maraoz> thanks phantomcircuit. I'll try that after the build finishes
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 179 2014-09-19 03:40:36 <maraoz> damn. ran it three times. debug.log output: http://pastebin.com/cv0qSFUY
 180 2014-09-19 03:42:55 <maraoz> I'll try with a tagged version
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 182 2014-09-19 03:46:14 <phantomcircuit> maraoz, looks like your glibc is insane
 183 2014-09-19 03:47:07 <phantomcircuit> neat
 184 2014-09-19 03:48:49 <maraoz> well... that's new to me. I'll check it tomorrow. thanks!
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 187 2014-09-19 03:50:33 <phantomcircuit> maraoz, it's neat because i've never seen that before
 188 2014-09-19 03:51:14 <maraoz> me neither! :)
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 280 2014-09-19 06:53:58 <pum> hi all
 281 2014-09-19 06:54:07 <pum> is it allowed hardware kind of chat here?
 282 2014-09-19 06:54:31 <gmaxwell> This isn't really a hardware channel
 283 2014-09-19 06:55:16 <pum> gmaxwell: i needed some guidance nothign specific abt hardwware
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 285 2014-09-19 06:55:53 <pum> i was finding other wired ways to connect TV(having HDMI) with Phone (except MHL) to play movies
 286 2014-09-19 06:55:55 <pum> do you know any?
 287 2014-09-19 06:56:07 <Diablo-D3> wired?
 288 2014-09-19 06:56:08 <Diablo-D3> why?
 289 2014-09-19 06:56:20 <Diablo-D3> just pick up a damned chromecast
 290 2014-09-19 06:56:27 <Diablo-D3> $35, does what you want
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 292 2014-09-19 06:57:03 <Luke-Jr> pum: this has nothing to do with Bitcoin development, please take it to ##hardware
 293 2014-09-19 06:57:16 <pum> ok Luke-Jr
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 295 2014-09-19 06:57:36 <Luke-Jr> or ##gtvhacker :p
 296 2014-09-19 06:57:42 <Luke-Jr> just 1 #, #gtvhacker
 297 2014-09-19 06:59:28 <pum> where i can find hardware expert except #hardware & gtvhacker channel; any keyword suggetion?
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 351 2014-09-19 07:53:24 <aschildbach> I have (again) a question about the tx_valid/invalid tests. I'm about to implement the STRICTENC verify flag, but I'm wondering why none of the tests fail although I didn't implement the flag yet. Is the flag actually tested in the tests?
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 359 2014-09-19 08:02:30 <Luke-Jr> aschildbach: it's not actually important yet, so it might not be
 360 2014-09-19 08:03:08 <aschildbach> Good to know, thanks
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 439 2014-09-19 10:18:16 <aschildbach> wumpus: Any plans to add at least one test that fails if strictenc is not tested?
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 441 2014-09-19 10:21:29 <wumpus> yes
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 444 2014-09-19 10:22:25 <wumpus> I don't see how the plan could be anything else :)
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 545 2014-09-19 13:03:04 <JackH> hey guys, I noticed with BIPS 70 that the custom msg send back from the merchant to the Bitcoin-qt client is not stored in the transaction details. Is that intentional or is there a topic about it?
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 582 2014-09-19 13:43:44 <wumpus> there is *some* data from the payment request stored in the transaction details
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 585 2014-09-19 13:45:48 <wumpus> there may be things that are not stored, or not shown, at the time it was not very clear what to do with it
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 587 2014-09-19 13:47:17 <wumpus> looking at paymentrequest.cpp the *entire* payment request is stored with the transaction
 588 2014-09-19 13:47:24 <wumpus> so it's a matter of showing it
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 806 2014-09-19 15:13:07 <JackH> hey
 807 2014-09-19 15:13:13 <JackH> yes, you are right, only merchant name so far
 808 2014-09-19 15:13:23 <JackH> any plans to store the transaction msg?
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 810 2014-09-19 15:13:41 <JackH> it would be good, especially if someone sends payment receipt that includes order-id
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 818 2014-09-19 15:15:22 <helo> JackH: it's all stored. only the merchant name is displayed.
 819 2014-09-19 15:15:40 <JackH> helo gotcha, so its a client thing
 820 2014-09-19 15:15:43 <helo> right
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1079 2014-09-19 18:59:17 <flound1129> no blocks for 7 hours?  Is that for real?
1080 2014-09-19 18:59:57 <flound1129> nvm
1081 2014-09-19 19:00:00 <flound1129> blockchain.info broken
1082 2014-09-19 19:00:37 <sipa> the certainties in life...
1083 2014-09-19 19:00:43 <flound1129> :)
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1144 2014-09-19 19:59:43 <paveljanik> time to tell them, they probably are still not aware of it 8)
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1167 2014-09-19 20:21:45 <chichov> is there any quick way to extract the pubkey script from a P2SH input script?
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1185 2014-09-19 20:34:50 <davec> chichov: here is a pastie that does it using btcscript from btcd -- http://gbpaste.org/rBYIz
1186 2014-09-19 20:35:23 <chichov> davec: unfortunately I need it in c++
1187 2014-09-19 20:35:41 <gmaxwell> chichov: what do you mean by "p2sh input script"?
1188 2014-09-19 20:36:00 <chichov> gmaxwell: I have a CScript which encodes a P2SH signature script
1189 2014-09-19 20:36:33 <chichov> and in it is the serialized pubkey script which I want to have
1190 2014-09-19 20:36:37 <gmaxwell> so pull the first push off and decode it).
1191 2014-09-19 20:36:51 <chichov> hm, how do I push it off?
1192 2014-09-19 20:38:01 <sipa> it's an stl vector
1193 2014-09-19 20:38:52 <chichov> gonna have to get the positions somehow though
1194 2014-09-19 20:39:39 <sipa> right, you have to iterate from the start
1195 2014-09-19 20:39:57 <sipa> there's no way to start at the end
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1197 2014-09-19 20:41:17 <sipa> chichov: in the bitcoin core codebase you can just use ExtractDestination on it
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1204 2014-09-19 20:44:07 <chichov> sipa: you mean once I have the pubkey script I should use it to extract the public keys?
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1226 2014-09-19 21:15:40 <sipa> chichov: no, the destination
1227 2014-09-19 21:15:56 <sipa> a destination is the abstract concept that is encoded as an address
1228 2014-09-19 21:16:17 <sipa> for pay-to-pubkeyhash it's the pubkeyhash, for p2sh it is the scripthash
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1340 2014-09-19 22:45:38 <andytoshi> chichov: i have an rpc server that will do the decode for you, pass -rpcconnect=wpsoftwaren.net -rpcport=8001 to bitcoin-cli
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1342 2014-09-19 22:46:36 <andytoshi> and use the RPC `script_trace` or `raw_trace` (if you have a whole transaction)
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