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  70 2014-09-22 01:33:52 <alfacent2> Regarding the Free lottery I think twitter could be used as a third party to avoid that miners could discard blocks to manipulate the results. The random number just needs to be affected by a twitter-ID generated afterwards. Bitmillions uses Twitter as a third party for a bitcoin lottery and it seems it works fine. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BitMillions
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 201 2014-09-22 04:20:22 <sipa> remotemass: yes
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 209 2014-09-22 04:26:59 <remotemass> sipa: I would love to hear from you regarding my post on the technical board. Your feedback is very important to me
 210 2014-09-22 04:27:16 <remotemass> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=790883.0
 211 2014-09-22 04:28:22 <sipa> remotemass: i believe andytoshi addresses the problems very well
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 213 2014-09-22 04:29:50 <andytoshi> remotemass: one thing i should've emphasized more is that it's possible to do this without forking, so technical problems not withstanding this idea is simply a nonstarter. we can discuss in #bitcoin if you like
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 215 2014-09-22 04:32:43 <remotemass> andytoshi, I don't understand why you say I'm using the fees semantics
 216 2014-09-22 04:33:34 <andytoshi> remotemass: ask in #bitcoin, please, this is a logged development channel
 217 2014-09-22 04:33:42 <remotemass> For enforcing new protocol rules you would need a fork, not?
 218 2014-09-22 04:33:57 <remotemass> Ok, was just because I wanted sipa feedback
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 429 2014-09-22 10:41:44 <gdm85> are there any changes in dependencies re 0.9.2 vs 0.9.3 ?
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 433 2014-09-22 10:49:03 <wumpus> no
 434 2014-09-22 10:49:17 <wumpus> eh wait, yes
 435 2014-09-22 10:49:25 <wumpus> libupnpc, openssl
 436 2014-09-22 10:50:54 <gdm85> wumpus: ok, thanks
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 441 2014-09-22 10:57:25 <gdm85> yeah I see the changes here (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.9.3rc2/doc/release-process.md), good. I will update my input sources (https://github.com/gdm85/tenku/tree/master/docker/gitian-bitcoin-host/input-sources)
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 445 2014-09-22 11:00:57 <wumpus> I think it's time to tag 0.9.3 final
 446 2014-09-22 11:01:17 <timothy> so upnpc is mandatory now?
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 448 2014-09-22 11:02:24 <wumpus> timothy: why?
 449 2014-09-22 11:02:33 <timothy> [12:42:41] <wumpus> libupnpc, openssl
 450 2014-09-22 11:02:49 <wumpus> I don't get it, where do you read it's mandatory
 451 2014-09-22 11:02:53 <wumpus> have you tried?
 452 2014-09-22 11:03:47 <timothy> not now, but I need to rebuild the archlinux packages when you tag 0.9.3 :P
 453 2014-09-22 11:03:52 <wumpus> is --without-miniupnpc broken?
 454 2014-09-22 11:04:04 <wumpus> the point of an rc is that you try those things out
 455 2014-09-22 11:04:49 <wumpus> otherwise problems will only come to light in the release, which defeats the purpose of doing rcs in the first place
 456 2014-09-22 11:05:29 <timothy> yes, but we don't package rc :P
 457 2014-09-22 11:05:34 <wumpus> if you use a somewhat specific/different build of bitcoin: always try the process on the rc
 458 2014-09-22 11:05:53 <wumpus> you don't need to package it, just test if the process still works
 459 2014-09-22 11:07:59 <wumpus> to assure the number of remotely-connectable nodes it's stronly recommended to build with miniupnpc (and that's done in the gitian builds), but it *should* be possible to do without
 460 2014-09-22 11:09:40 <wumpus> even if you link with miniupnpc, users can disable it using a command line option
 461 2014-09-22 11:11:32 <timothy> I'll try
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 463 2014-09-22 11:12:06 <timothy> 0.9.x have a big (imho) problem. .desktop file are NOT present
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 465 2014-09-22 11:13:06 <timothy> I already reported this here
 466 2014-09-22 11:13:23 <timothy> infact, I have to take them from github => https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/community.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/bitcoin
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 470 2014-09-22 11:16:01 <timothy> before 0.9.x those files were present in .tar.gz
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 477 2014-09-22 11:25:04 <timothy> you change the method to generate the tar.gz
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 485 2014-09-22 11:38:38 <wumpus> right - contrib/debian is not shipped in the gitian-built .tar.gzs
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 487 2014-09-22 11:39:19 <wumpus> it's still in git, though
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 489 2014-09-22 11:40:28 <wumpus> the idea behind 'make dist' is to just include files that are either used for build or make install, and make install doesn't install desktop files either
 490 2014-09-22 11:40:59 <wumpus> then again if you submit a pull that includes the desktop files in the distributed files it'd likely be merged for 0.10 - for 0.9 it's too late 
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 493 2014-09-22 11:45:41 <wumpus> (but I don't think it's necessary -- it should be possible to just say "include these files in make dist")
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 537 2014-09-22 12:45:24 <timothy> wumpus: why is it too late?
 538 2014-09-22 12:46:08 <timothy> and make install should install .desktop file too, since it's used by all desktop manager to show the application in the menu
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 540 2014-09-22 12:47:31 <gdm85> timothy: I think they don't maintain stuff in the 'contrib' directory
 541 2014-09-22 12:47:47 <gdm85> but pull requests are welcome :)
 542 2014-09-22 12:47:53 <timothy> that's my point, move .desktop file outside contrib directory and use it for make install
 543 2014-09-22 12:48:04 <timothy> I'll do it now, but I don't like to wait 6 month :P
 544 2014-09-22 12:49:03 <gdm85> I still think it's a packaging domain of concern, not really bitcoin source code
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 571 2014-09-22 13:26:07 <wumpus> timothy: it's too late because 0.9 is the stable release and only gets bug fixes
 572 2014-09-22 13:27:25 <wumpus> anyhow, pull requests welcome, but what is submitted now will be primarily applied to 0.10
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 620 2014-09-22 14:34:40 <firelegend> Lofot4:What is the power consumption of a single s3 antminer?
 621 2014-09-22 14:35:35 <firelegend> Should be enough I reckon
 622 2014-09-22 14:35:57 <firelegend> one would use 340w at the wall, we can round it to 350, so two would be 700w, leaving 300w headroom
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 624 2014-09-22 14:37:04 <michagogo> 13:58:45 <timothy> yes, but we don't package rc :P
 625 2014-09-22 14:37:14 <michagogo> Well, you *should* package the rc
 626 2014-09-22 14:37:27 <michagogo> Not necessarily put it up on the repos, but built it into a package
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 629 2014-09-22 14:38:50 <gdm85> wumpus: http://cdrkit.org/releases/cdrkit-1.1.11.tar.gz -> 404 grrr..
 630 2014-09-22 14:39:15 <wumpus> cdrkit?!
 631 2014-09-22 14:39:34 <gdm85> it's here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.9.3rc2/doc/release-process.md
 632 2014-09-22 14:39:35 <wumpus> oh one of the weird mac dependencies
 633 2014-09-22 14:39:42 <gdm85> ah, it's for mac? then I can skip it..
 634 2014-09-22 14:40:06 <gdm85> btw, that URL should still be updated..but I have no idea how to fix this
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 640 2014-09-22 14:43:30 <gdm85> I am now gitian-building for Linux (i386 and amd64), I think that dep will not be needed
 641 2014-09-22 14:44:06 <gdm85> yeah that Fedora repository is a nice resource
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 652 2014-09-22 14:58:08 <wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/27fc5277f73e510c2150dc29308fdf2dc6a96053
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 685 2014-09-22 15:29:42 <gdm85> I am getting a weird error with gitian-builder: http://paste.debian.net/plain/122396
 686 2014-09-22 15:30:05 <gdm85> now I need to check why make-clean-vm is not in $PATH..
 687 2014-09-22 15:30:20 <wumpus> have you upgraded gitian lately?
 688 2014-09-22 15:30:30 <wumpus> if so, you may want to check out an older commit
 689 2014-09-22 15:30:53 <wumpus> latest commits of gitian broke some things on some environments (ask michagogo)
 690 2014-09-22 15:31:23 <michagogo> Not environments, old VMs
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 692 2014-09-22 15:31:25 <earlz> I spent a full weekend trying to get gitian to work and gave up
 693 2014-09-22 15:31:44 <gdm85> that might be it..I will check what was the commit I was using before
 694 2014-09-22 15:31:51 <michagogo> Basically, the switched from using lxc-start to lxc-execute
 695 2014-09-22 15:32:00 <gdm85> strangely, I didn't lock to a specific commit in my build scripts (normally I do)
 696 2014-09-22 15:32:06 <michagogo> That requires the lxc package to be installed in the guest
 697 2014-09-22 15:32:14 <earlz> why do they not always install lxc-start when spinning up the VM?
 698 2014-09-22 15:32:28 <michagogo> make-base-vm was changed to install the lxc package
 699 2014-09-22 15:32:30 <wumpus> I'm using the latest commit of gitian without problems, btw
 700 2014-09-22 15:32:43 <michagogo> But that means that any VMs made before the change are broken
 701 2014-09-22 15:32:53 <michagogo> any base VMs*
 702 2014-09-22 15:33:00 <michagogo> wumpus: using LXC or KVM?
 703 2014-09-22 15:33:01 <gdm85> michagogo: these are just made VMs
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 705 2014-09-22 15:33:08 <wumpus> oh - KVM :)
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 707 2014-09-22 15:33:11 <michagogo> gdm85: eh?
 708 2014-09-22 15:33:19 <gdm85> michagogo: not old VMs. I just made them
 709 2014-09-22 15:33:24 <michagogo> So you used latest gitian to make-base-vm and *that*'s not working?
 710 2014-09-22 15:33:32 <michagogo> I... don't know then. o_O
 711 2014-09-22 15:33:37 <michagogo> What's your host?
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 713 2014-09-22 15:34:22 <michagogo> gdm85: what machine are you running gitian on?
 714 2014-09-22 15:34:25 <wumpus> anyhow, using the gitian version that you used to build earlier 0.9.x versions will stillw ork
 715 2014-09-22 15:34:31 <michagogo> (what distro/version)
 716 2014-09-22 15:34:40 <michagogo> Yeah, anything before that change is fine
 717 2014-09-22 15:34:58 <gdm85> michagogo: it's slightly more complex than that: https://github.com/gdm85/tenku/tree/master/docker/gitian-bitcoin-host
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 719 2014-09-22 15:35:16 <wumpus> maybe we should resort to telling people they should use a specific version of gitian... which is really too bad
 720 2014-09-22 15:35:23 <michagogo> wumpus: not sure that helps
 721 2014-09-22 15:35:36 <michagogo> (in this case)
 722 2014-09-22 15:35:39 <gdm85> I am using this to build the 2 images (in parallel) https://github.com/gdm85/tenku/blob/master/docker/gitian-host/build-base-vms.sh
 723 2014-09-22 15:35:45 <michagogo> Well, I mean, a version pre-this-change would work
 724 2014-09-22 15:35:47 <gdm85> maybe they changed that make-base-vm invocation
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 726 2014-09-22 15:35:51 <earlz> I tried following the step-by-step guide to setup gitian and I could never get it to work
 727 2014-09-22 15:35:53 <gdm85> michagogo: I think so as well. will check
 728 2014-09-22 15:36:07 <earlz> (the one with walkthroughs on virtualbox)
 729 2014-09-22 15:36:11 <michagogo> I think something in the commit message or PR or something said that if the gitian VM is a newer release than the host stuff will break
 730 2014-09-22 15:36:20 <michagogo> Let me chech
 731 2014-09-22 15:36:23 <earlz> I think every single package needs to be a fixed version, which sounds impossible heh
 732 2014-09-22 15:36:39 <michagogo> https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/blob/master/RELEASE_NOTES
 733 2014-09-22 15:36:43 <gdm85> earlz: there is a feature request on gitian-builder about that
 734 2014-09-22 15:36:50 <michagogo> If your guest is more recent than the host, all bets are off, since lxc-execute may not be able to find the lxc init.
 735 2014-09-22 15:37:09 <michagogo> So... does that mean that building from Debian is broken? o_O
 736 2014-09-22 15:37:26 <michagogo> At least, debian stable?
 737 2014-09-22 15:37:30 <michagogo> Seriously, wtf?
 738 2014-09-22 15:37:34 * michagogo pokes devrandom
 739 2014-09-22 15:37:35 <earlz> I was trying to get it building on debian stable, so maybe that's why I had so many problems
 740 2014-09-22 15:37:43 <gdm85> michagogo: Debian Wheezy, yes
 741 2014-09-22 15:38:00 <earlz> I followed this to a T https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/gitian-building.md
 742 2014-09-22 15:38:09 <earlz> but I used an old gitian release... and still couldn't get it working
 743 2014-09-22 15:38:10 <gdm85> now I'll try from scratch with gitian-builder @ ffd04a46a2b3c1277937c939cdb151fcf0eac613
 744 2014-09-22 15:38:12 <michagogo> Try checking out 3a0e9024b846b3e015ec4a6f653a0e74ea09272c
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 746 2014-09-22 15:38:39 <michagogo> Yeah, that should also be fine I think
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 748 2014-09-22 15:39:14 <michagogo> (well, for 0.9.x. Master and 0.10 and on will require 3a0e9024b846b3e015ec4a6f653a0e74ea09272c or later, I think
 749 2014-09-22 15:39:17 <michagogo> )
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 751 2014-09-22 15:39:37 <gdm85> I understand.. so I'll need to look into this sooner or later
 752 2014-09-22 15:40:03 <michagogo> Looks like the lxc-execute change was to fix this: https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/issues/63
 753 2014-09-22 15:40:34 <michagogo> The change was made here: https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/pull/69
 754 2014-09-22 15:40:44 <michagogo> And I'm starting to think that change may be more trouble than it's worth
 755 2014-09-22 15:40:52 <gdm85> mmh..but how can that be fixed? I don't think you can have all features of a terminal with lxc anyway.. :(
 756 2014-09-22 15:41:00 <gdm85> yeah was reading that PR
 757 2014-09-22 15:41:16 <michagogo> Earlier I thought it was just a matter of having to recreate the containers, but now with this...
 758 2014-09-22 15:41:26 <earlz>  I used an old gitian release... and still couldn't get
 759 2014-09-22 15:41:26 <earlz>                it working
 760 2014-09-22 15:41:39 <michagogo> earlz: what went wrong?
 761 2014-09-22 15:42:07 <earlz> ugh, didn't mean to resay that
 762 2014-09-22 15:42:46 <earlz> but just ran into problem after problem. It was a week ago that I tried. I'm pretty sure it's related to that issue #63
 763 2014-09-22 15:43:09 <earlz> I tried using an old gitian and couldn't get it working there either though..
 764 2014-09-22 15:43:57 <michagogo> earlz: hm
 765 2014-09-22 15:44:14 <michagogo> Keep in mind, that's just one way -- not *the* way
 766 2014-09-22 15:44:24 <michagogo> Personally, I just have it in an Ubuntu VM
 767 2014-09-22 15:44:58 <earlz> Well, I'm not experienced at all with any of the light VM stuff of lxc or kvm, so I took the way that held my hand the mostl ol
 768 2014-09-22 15:45:04 <michagogo> Also, I think that makes changes to gitian IIRC? Could be misremembering
 769 2014-09-22 15:45:16 <michagogo> earlz: kvm isn't light VM
 770 2014-09-22 15:45:19 <michagogo> KVM is a VM.
 771 2014-09-22 15:45:24 <michagogo> LXC is a container.
 772 2014-09-22 15:45:26 <earlz> well, I've never setup KVM
 773 2014-09-22 15:45:35 <michagogo> Anyway, it's really easiest to do with KVM
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 775 2014-09-22 15:46:07 <earlz> I mainly wanted to be able to setup something in VirtualBox where I could get it running and never have to worry about it being broken by me using the machine. My understanding is KVM wouldn't work under virtual box
 776 2014-09-22 15:46:07 <michagogo> It's just that in most cases, that requires that you be running Linux
 777 2014-09-22 15:46:16 <michagogo> Right.
 778 2014-09-22 15:46:32 <earlz> I don't have a physical box to set aside for the purpose either
 779 2014-09-22 15:46:34 <gdm85> ugh..reference is not a tree
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 781 2014-09-22 15:46:55 <earlz> Is there any VM tech that can handle KVM within it?
 782 2014-09-22 15:46:57 <michagogo> earlz: well, all you really would need is a hard drive
 783 2014-09-22 15:47:04 <earlz> eh true
 784 2014-09-22 15:47:16 <michagogo> Or even just a partition, though that's a bit more risky
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 786 2014-09-22 15:47:47 <michagogo> For a while I was doing my gbuilds using KVM by rebooting into an Ubuntu install on an external hd
 787 2014-09-22 15:47:50 <earlz> What distro is recommended for a KVM setup?
 788 2014-09-22 15:48:17 <michagogo> earlz: I suspect, from what I've seen, that gitian is developed on Ubuntu
 789 2014-09-22 15:48:42 <michagogo> I, personally, have had mostly no trouble using Ubuntu for it
 790 2014-09-22 15:49:02 <michagogo> There are a couple little things, but nowhere near as much as I've seen other people complain about
 791 2014-09-22 15:49:08 <earlz> my usual distro of choice is Arch, but that seems dangerous in this case lol
 792 2014-09-22 15:49:10 <michagogo> Especially for lxc
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 794 2014-09-22 15:49:26 <earlz> rolling package updates, very bleeding edge at times
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 797 2014-09-22 15:50:11 <michagogo> But yeah, if you don't want to do it with KVM on a different HD/partition/machine, just install an Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) VM and use LXC
 798 2014-09-22 15:50:30 <wumpus> KVM cannot work in any other virtualization 
 799 2014-09-22 15:50:53 <michagogo> Well, it depends on what you mean by "work"
 800 2014-09-22 15:51:12 <earlz> I just had so much trouble with LXC ugh
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 802 2014-09-22 15:51:16 <wumpus> I mean, not exit with some very ugly exception and message in the dmesg
 803 2014-09-22 15:51:23 <michagogo> VMWare Player says it supports nested virtualization
 804 2014-09-22 15:51:32 <michagogo> I tried running KVM gitian in there
 805 2014-09-22 15:51:42 <wumpus> you can use plain qemu instead of KVM but it will be hellishly slow
 806 2014-09-22 15:51:45 <earlz> I have a commercial license to VMWare and I can confirm that it does work.. but it's for company use and I don't want to rely on it heh
 807 2014-09-22 15:51:47 <michagogo> It seemed to work, but the OpenSSL build failed
 808 2014-09-22 15:51:59 <michagogo> Something about asm, IIRC?
 809 2014-09-22 15:52:05 <earlz> (well I can confirm that VM within VM works. I run Hyper-V inside of it)
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 813 2014-09-22 15:53:11 <michagogo> I have a couple little tweaks to my Ubuntu VM to make gitian building work a little better/more smoothly
 814 2014-09-22 15:53:35 <michagogo> I have a line in sudoers allowing lxc-start to be used without a password
 815 2014-09-22 15:53:57 <michagogo> I think I have USE_LXC=1 in the system environment var file
 816 2014-09-22 15:54:31 <michagogo> And I have `brctl addbr br0` and `ifconfig br0 10.0.2.2/24 up` in the commands to run at boot (/etc/initsomething?)
 817 2014-09-22 15:55:53 <michagogo> None of that is strictly necessary, though -- you can run the two bridge commands and export USE_LXC manually each time
 818 2014-09-22 15:56:02 <michagogo> And enter your password half a dozen times per build
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 820 2014-09-22 15:56:47 <gdm85> michagogo: I also have a sudoers modification for that
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 825 2014-09-22 16:00:36 <michagogo> earlz: looks like that guide is for the most bare-bones possible gbuild
 826 2014-09-22 16:00:56 <michagogo> Debian minimal netinstall, all ssh
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 830 2014-09-22 16:04:06 <wumpus> michagogo: yes, it's meant to be the shortest way from a base linux vm towards building gitian releases
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 834 2014-09-22 16:05:15 <wumpus> when I wrote the guide it was working, but too many things change, it's almost impossible to keep up
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 837 2014-09-22 16:06:27 <michagogo> Yeah, sounds like the recent change to gitian means that you can't(?) use Debian
 838 2014-09-22 16:06:32 <michagogo> Or at least debian stable...
 839 2014-09-22 16:07:02 <wumpus> so we should recommend a certain gitian version
 840 2014-09-22 16:07:05 <earlz> it's al a huge mess
 841 2014-09-22 16:07:18 <michagogo> # add cgroup for LXC
 842 2014-09-22 16:07:18 <michagogo> echo "cgroup  /sys/fs/cgroup  cgroup  defaults  0   0" >> /etc/fstab
 843 2014-09-22 16:07:21 <michagogo> Er, what's that?
 844 2014-09-22 16:07:23 <earlz> even when fixing myself to an older gitian commit I ran into problems
 845 2014-09-22 16:07:42 <gdm85> wumpus: I am building with that, output seems familiar so far
 846 2014-09-22 16:07:52 <earlz> I think lxc uses a different cgroup thing or something. I had problems with it I think
 847 2014-09-22 16:07:56 <michagogo> earlz: yeah, I personally would recommend using Ubuntu, since I haven't really had much trouble with it
 848 2014-09-22 16:08:17 <wumpus> michagogo: you need to add that to get lxc to work on debian stable
 849 2014-09-22 16:08:28 <wumpus> on ubuntu it's done for you IIRC
 850 2014-09-22 16:08:32 <michagogo> ah
 851 2014-09-22 16:08:51 <wumpus> earlz: you did exactly follow the guide, and not skip some steps?
 852 2014-09-22 16:08:54 <michagogo> btw, does Ubuntu not have a more-minimal installation option?
 853 2014-09-22 16:09:21 <michagogo> wumpus: hm, why the different IP address?
 854 2014-09-22 16:09:25 <wumpus> michagogo: no, not really
 855 2014-09-22 16:09:38 <wumpus> it has a 'server' install but that's hardly minimal
 856 2014-09-22 16:09:59 <wumpus> michagogo: because virtualbox claims the other ip range
 857 2014-09-22 16:10:15 <michagogo> Hm? Doesn't ring a bell...
 858 2014-09-22 16:10:46 <wumpus> well it doesn't hurt anyway
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 861 2014-09-22 16:11:20 <michagogo> t
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 863 2014-09-22 16:11:43 <wumpus> you probably changed virtualbox's ip range, that's also possible
 864 2014-09-22 16:12:19 <michagogo> hm
 865 2014-09-22 16:12:40 <michagogo> it looks like I have it using a bridged adapter, rather than NAT
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 867 2014-09-22 16:13:49 <gdm85> yes, with gitian-builder commit ffd04a46a2b3c1277937c939cdb151fcf0eac613 everything is going smooth again.. :}
 868 2014-09-22 16:14:23 <gdm85> I also see these "stdin: is not a tty" messages..they are harmless. it's because it's not like ssh or any other terminal..
 869 2014-09-22 16:14:25 <michagogo> gdm85: well, yeah, that would definitely fix the "lxc-init not found" problem because it doesn't need lxc
 870 2014-09-22 16:14:33 <michagogo> And yeah, those are harmless indeed
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 872 2014-09-22 16:14:37 <michagogo> 3a0e9024b846b3e015ec4a6f653a0e74ea09272c should also be fine
 873 2014-09-22 16:14:45 <gdm85> michagogo: I think Debian's lxc does not contain that
 874 2014-09-22 16:15:03 <michagogo> And you'll need that to build newer versions of bitcoin
 875 2014-09-22 16:15:11 <gdm85> I have also messages "lxc-start: Connection refused - inotify event with no name (mask 32768)" but those were there too last time..
 876 2014-09-22 16:15:12 <earlz> wumpus: I exactly followed the guide. Ran into problems that seemed to stem from LXC updates
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 878 2014-09-22 16:15:16 <michagogo> gdm85: AIUI, it's not that it doesn't contain it
 879 2014-09-22 16:15:36 <gdm85> michagogo: I might try again later with that commit
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 881 2014-09-22 16:15:50 <michagogo> gdm85: Here's the problem, AIUI:
 882 2014-09-22 16:16:05 <michagogo> lxc-execute requires that lxc-init be present in the container
 883 2014-09-22 16:16:13 <michagogo> Because it runs it
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 885 2014-09-22 16:16:24 <gdm85> michagogo: it's not in $PATH?
 886 2014-09-22 16:16:35 <michagogo> Nah, it's in /lib
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 888 2014-09-22 16:16:44 <michagogo> The version of LXC in debian-stable looks for it in a certain place
 889 2014-09-22 16:16:56 <gdm85> I also thought it was a PATH issue when I saw the error..but then $PATH was looking fine..
 890 2014-09-22 16:16:57 <michagogo> The Ubuntu package in precise installs it in a different place
 891 2014-09-22 16:17:37 <gdm85> michagogo: but I am using Debian stable as the host, so here we have a problem of the PATH set when building the VMs, right?
 892 2014-09-22 16:17:52 <michagogo> Now, I don't know if it's an Ubuntu/Debian difference, or just a matter of debian stable having an older lxc than ubuntu precise
 893 2014-09-22 16:17:58 <michagogo> gdm85: well, no
 894 2014-09-22 16:18:13 <gdm85> michagogo: I think at this line there should be a PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/blob/master/bin/make-base-vm#L109
 895 2014-09-22 16:18:21 <michagogo> It's that lxc-execute on the host expects lxc-init to be in a certain place in the guest
 896 2014-09-22 16:18:27 <gdm85> so that Debian host's PATH does not "migrate" into the VMs
 897 2014-09-22 16:18:38 <gdm85> brb
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 899 2014-09-22 16:18:56 <michagogo> From what I understand, lxc-execute on the host is trying to execute the lxc-init from lib on the guest
 900 2014-09-22 16:19:23 <michagogo> lxc-execute: No such file or directory - failed to exec /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lxc/lxc-init
 901 2014-09-22 16:19:34 <wumpus> I still wonder why it was change d in the first place
 902 2014-09-22 16:19:43 <michagogo> So lxc-execute, on the host, is trying to exec /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lxc/lxc-init on the guest
 903 2014-09-22 16:19:57 <michagogo> one sec, let me check something
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 905 2014-09-22 16:20:26 <michagogo> The gitian error is a bit misleading...
 906 2014-09-22 16:20:37 <michagogo> It says ./bin/gbuild:21:in `system!': failed to run make-clean-vm --suite precise --arch i386 (RuntimeError)
 907 2014-09-22 16:20:50 <michagogo> But it's not exactly that it failed to run make-clean-vm
 908 2014-09-22 16:21:00 <michagogo> It ran make-clean-vm, and make-clean-vm failed
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 910 2014-09-22 16:21:59 <michagogo> Okay, found it
 911 2014-09-22 16:22:15 <michagogo> The Ubuntu 12.04 lxc package installs lxc-init at /usr/lib/lxc/lxc-init
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 923 2014-09-22 16:34:21 <michagogo> hmm
 924 2014-09-22 16:34:23 <michagogo> lxc (0.8.0~rc1-1) unstable; urgency=low
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 927 2014-09-22 16:34:27 <michagogo>   * Updating packaging for multiarch.
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 929 2014-09-22 16:34:39 <michagogo> I suspect that change in debian may be the culprit
 930 2014-09-22 16:35:33 <michagogo> Either that or it's something in   * Merging upstream version 0.8.0~rc1.
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 932 2014-09-22 16:36:07 <michagogo> (previous version was 0.7.5-24. Version in Ubuntu precise is 0.7.5-3ubuntu52.)
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 934 2014-09-22 16:38:39 <teward> I should probably realize that they don't sync the changes for bitcoind anymore in Ubuntu, last i checked
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 936 2014-09-22 16:38:56 <michagogo> teward: bitcoind is removed from all supported versions of Ubuntu
 937 2014-09-22 16:39:04 <teward> yup
 938 2014-09-22 16:39:09 <teward> s/realize/make sure you realize/
 939 2014-09-22 16:39:11 <michagogo> In precise it's been replaced with a dummy package
 940 2014-09-22 16:39:13 * teward facepalms
 941 2014-09-22 16:39:30 <teward> michagogo: heh...
 942 2014-09-22 16:39:31 <michagogo> (I actually pushed for that and only somewhat recently got it through)
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 944 2014-09-22 16:40:00 <michagogo> And towards the end of last year, I got it removed from trusty
 945 2014-09-22 16:40:07 <michagogo> And also blacklisted from debian syncing
 946 2014-09-22 16:40:14 <teward> right i think i see the email(s) from that
 947 2014-09-22 16:40:29 <teward> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2013-December/007597.html and sub-messages
 948 2014-09-22 16:40:33 <michagogo> There are still various old versions in several releases, but they're unsupported
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 950 2014-09-22 16:40:50 <michagogo> (as in, Ubuntu says "nobody should be using these at all")
 951 2014-09-22 16:40:54 <teward> michagogo: right, i watch the bugs in the ubuntu package(s) that still exist for that, one was a wishlist bug that got sniped to "Won't Fix"
 952 2014-09-22 16:41:00 <teward> remember, i'm a bug triager in Ubuntu ;)
 953 2014-09-22 16:41:10 <michagogo> I'm not sure I knew that
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 955 2014-09-22 16:41:33 <teward> michagogo: well i am, i keep an eye on certain packages relevant to me, one's the bitcoin package bugs
 956 2014-09-22 16:41:38 <michagogo> cool
 957 2014-09-22 16:41:44 <teward> (it was misfiled, that wishlist bug)
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 959 2014-09-22 16:42:22 <teward> michagogo: i actually was a supporter of removing the package, missed the whole email chain though as I'm not subscribed to -motu
 960 2014-09-22 16:42:28 <teward> anyways... *lurks again*
 961 2014-09-22 16:42:34 <michagogo> Didn't I post to a second list?
 962 2014-09-22 16:42:47 <teward> michagogo: if you did i missed it, i only see what google shows :0
 963 2014-09-22 16:42:50 <teward> :) *
 964 2014-09-22 16:43:34 <michagogo> Looks like the original post was to -motu and to -release
 965 2014-09-22 16:44:30 <teward> mhm
 966 2014-09-22 16:44:35 <teward> i see the motu chain, i don't know if -release is public
 967 2014-09-22 16:44:40 <michagogo> teward: which bug?
 968 2014-09-22 16:44:51 <teward> michagogo: was a while ago, i'd have to dig into my buglists
 969 2014-09-22 16:44:56 <teward> and i have a TON of nginx bugs ahead
 970 2014-09-22 16:45:15 <teward> michagogo: i'll go digging though
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 972 2014-09-22 16:45:59 <teward> michagogo: there's a few that need attention - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bitcoin/+bug/1170915  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bitcoin/+bug/1214721  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bitcoin/+bug/1307715
 973 2014-09-22 16:46:01 <michagogo> I see 3 bugs
 974 2014-09-22 16:46:07 <teward> i am going to "Won't Fix" these I think...
 975 2014-09-22 16:46:12 <teward> michagogo: it was never assigned to the package
 976 2014-09-22 16:46:13 <michagogo> None of those appear to be wishlist or wontfix
 977 2014-09-22 16:46:16 <teward> it ended up as a 'nopackage'
 978 2014-09-22 16:46:19 <michagogo> oh?
 979 2014-09-22 16:46:29 <teward> i had a keyword searchin the bugs announce channel
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 982 2014-09-22 16:46:40 <michagogo> well, what was that bug?
 983 2014-09-22 16:47:23 <teward> michagogo: request for the package to be synced, I caught it and marked "Won't Fix" after I saw the blacklist on the sync
 984 2014-09-22 16:47:32 <michagogo> ah
 985 2014-09-22 16:47:45 <teward> michagogo: FWIW the current bugs, one's "Won't Fix"
 986 2014-09-22 16:48:03 <michagogo> Where does it say that?
 987 2014-09-22 16:48:08 <michagogo> Not in the statuses at the top.
 988 2014-09-22 16:48:20 <teward> just marked won't fix
 989 2014-09-22 16:48:25 <teward> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bitcoin/+bug/1307715
 990 2014-09-22 16:48:55 <teward> i'm going to check with sarnold on the one bug about upgrading the software
 991 2014-09-22 16:49:05 <michagogo> Ah, I see it now
 992 2014-09-22 16:49:37 <michagogo> teward: 1170915?
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 995 2014-09-22 16:50:11 <michagogo> We talked about that on the ml and in some #ubuntu-channels last year (and earlier this year)
 996 2014-09-22 16:50:21 <michagogo> Came to the conclusion that it could not be updated
 997 2014-09-22 16:50:43 <teward> michagogo: agreed, ut it's "confirmed" not "won't fix" and i want to get an "OK" on changing the status
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 999 2014-09-22 16:50:48 <michagogo> Since there was too much that changed, and essentially a bugfix-only ubuntu update was impossible
1000 2014-09-22 16:50:50 <teward> ones in EOL releases are obvious :P
1001 2014-09-22 16:51:05 <michagogo> And so we started the whole sru process for removing it
1002 2014-09-22 16:51:05 <teward> michagogo: right, that was my argument a while ago, i'm checking with MOTU anyways before I alter the bug status to Won't Fix
1003 2014-09-22 16:51:24 <teward> michagogo: and nobody every swung back to review the bugs that're open ;)
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1007 2014-09-22 16:51:48 <michagogo> Um, I don't think I see the point. We already talked about the issue, decided it couldn't be fixed
1008 2014-09-22 16:51:55 <michagogo> And then proceeded to remove the package from precise...
1009 2014-09-22 16:52:06 <teward> michagogo: maybe I'm OCD but meh
1010 2014-09-22 16:52:10 <michagogo> Since that bug was filed, the package *has* been updated
1011 2014-09-22 16:52:19 <michagogo> And that update removed it
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1013 2014-09-22 16:52:26 <teward> michagogo: nobody every changed the bug status from "Confirmed"
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1015 2014-09-22 16:52:29 <teward> hence my OCD :p
1016 2014-09-22 16:52:37 <teward> i hate seeing old "Confirmed" bugs that no longer apply :)
1017 2014-09-22 16:53:17 <michagogo> Doesn't "Confirmed" just mean that a second person +1'd the bug?
1018 2014-09-22 16:53:36 <teward> yeah, but it irks me to see "confirmed" for "Won't Fix" bugs... >.<
1019 2014-09-22 16:54:06 <teward> as I said, OCD
1020 2014-09-22 16:54:12 <michagogo> teward: I'm not saying that it shouldn't be wontfixed
1021 2014-09-22 16:54:22 <michagogo> More that it seems utterly obvious to me that it should be wontfix
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1023 2014-09-22 16:54:40 <teward> michagogo: right, except the general Ubuntu public isn't that well versed ;)
1024 2014-09-22 16:54:45 <teward> to that end that's why I'm OCD :p
1025 2014-09-22 16:55:00 <michagogo> Just change it to wontfix, and comment saying "This package was removed from 12.04"
1026 2014-09-22 16:55:59 <michagogo> You can point to 1314616
1027 2014-09-22 16:56:08 <teward> no need, unless people ask
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1035 2014-09-22 17:01:40 <michagogo> teward: I can't seem to find the request for it to be synced (just curious)
1036 2014-09-22 17:01:46 <michagogo> Tried a handful of different searches
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1044 2014-09-22 17:07:34 <michagogo> wumpus: So it looks like debian's lxc uses multiarch dirs in /urs/lib
1045 2014-09-22 17:07:36 <michagogo> usr*
1046 2014-09-22 17:08:26 <michagogo> While ubuntu precise's version of lxc was forked off of debian before that change, so it still puts the files in /usr/lib
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1048 2014-09-22 17:09:26 <michagogo> I suspect that if the gbuilds were done in a container running a newer ubuntu, this (particular) problem wouldn't be happening
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1050 2014-09-22 17:10:15 <michagogo> Though the problem then would happen in the other direction -- you wouldn't be able to build on a precise host
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1061 2014-09-22 17:18:33 <teward> michagogo: it could've gone away, i'll see if i can't find it, but i know i keep an eye on the package bugs
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1063 2014-09-22 17:20:18 <gdm85> all hashes perfectly matching :}
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1066 2014-09-22 17:20:31 <gdm85> wumpus: I'll submit my sigs later
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1068 2014-09-22 17:20:33 <michagogo> hmm
1069 2014-09-22 17:20:36 <michagogo> lxc-execute command will run the specified command into a container but it will mount /proc and autocreate/autodestroy the container if it does not exist. It will furthermore create an intermediate process, lxc-init, which is in charge to launch the specified command, that allows to support daemons in the container. In other words, in the container lxc-init
1070 2014-09-22 17:20:36 <michagogo> has the pid 1 and the first process of the application has the pid 2.
1071 2014-09-22 17:20:36 <michagogo> lxc-start command will run the specified command into the container doing nothing else than using the configuration specified by lxc-create. The pid of the first process is 1. If no command is specified lxc-start will run /sbin/init.
1072 2014-09-22 17:20:36 <michagogo> To summarize, lxc-execute is for running an application and lxc-start is for running a system.
1073 2014-09-22 17:20:51 <gdm85> michagogo: I'll also try with the other commit, but later this week..
1074 2014-09-22 17:21:02 <michagogo> gdm85: shouldn't make a difference for 0.9.x
1075 2014-09-22 17:21:15 <michagogo> But if you want to do newer builds you'll need the newer version
1076 2014-09-22 17:21:16 <gdm85> michagogo: yeah right, because the lxc-execute change was introduced afterwards
1077 2014-09-22 17:21:22 <michagogo> gdm85: no, no
1078 2014-09-22 17:21:31 <michagogo> The commit I mentioned is before lxc-execute
1079 2014-09-22 17:21:37 <gdm85> yeah that's what I mean
1080 2014-09-22 17:21:43 <michagogo> We don't use any kind of lxc-execute
1081 2014-09-22 17:22:10 <michagogo> The difference between the commit you used and the one I mentioned is that between those two commits, the cache system was added
1082 2014-09-22 17:22:34 <michagogo> by "we don't use" I mean that it doesn't matter to us what's used
1083 2014-09-22 17:23:06 <michagogo> That cache is required for the new build system that's being worked on right now
1084 2014-09-22 17:24:26 <michagogo> So future releases will require gitian 3a0e9024b846b3e015ec4a6f653a0e74ea09272c (or later)
1085 2014-09-22 17:24:37 <michagogo> But for 0.9.x, we don't use the cache yet
1086 2014-09-22 17:25:03 <michagogo> So ffd04a46a2b3c1277937c939cdb151fcf0eac613 works because it does everything we need it to
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