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  33 2014-09-24 00:45:01 <sipa> ;;diff
  34 2014-09-24 00:45:02 <gribble> 2.9829733124040417E10
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  36 2014-09-24 00:46:17 <sipa> ;;calc 2.9829733*10**10 * 2**48 / 65535 / 2**64
  37 2014-09-24 00:46:18 <gribble> 6.94538191253
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  70 2014-09-24 01:12:04 <earlz> Is there anything that could've caused a transaction's comment to become associated with the wrong transaction in bitcoin 0.9.1?
  71 2014-09-24 01:12:30 <earlz> through the RPC interface
  72 2014-09-24 01:12:49 <earlz> The only thing I see in the release notes is some missing locks... could that have caused weird race conditions?
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  90 2014-09-24 01:34:15 <phantomcircuit> earlz, what?
  91 2014-09-24 01:37:40 <earlz> I'm trying to debug an issue. Basically I sent a tx A with comment X. Then, a few days later, I send tx B with comment Y. tx B is then reported as conflicted with A, and A has comment Y, and B has no comment
  92 2014-09-24 01:38:10 <phantomcircuit> interesting
  93 2014-09-24 01:38:27 <earlz> Could this have been caused by the missing locks in bitcoin 0.9.1?
  94 2014-09-24 01:38:36 <phantomcircuit> no idea
  95 2014-09-24 01:39:32 <sipa> i believe this is intentional
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  98 2014-09-24 01:40:19 <phantomcircuit> sipa, iirc gmaxwell & gavin did the tx conflict code
  99 2014-09-24 01:40:27 <phantomcircuit> possibly one of them knows if it's intentional
 100 2014-09-24 01:40:28 <sipa> wumpus & gavin
 101 2014-09-24 01:40:32 <earlz> Like that's by-design that it would swap the comment field?
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 103 2014-09-24 01:40:35 <phantomcircuit> ah
 104 2014-09-24 01:40:42 <sipa> it was added to make sure that when you receive a mutated version of a transaction, it would inherit the comment
 105 2014-09-24 01:41:02 <sipa> and other metadata, as otherwise mutation can screw up accounting
 106 2014-09-24 01:41:20 <sipa> but perhaps it shouldn't apply when you yourself do the double spending
 107 2014-09-24 01:41:26 <sipa> ... how did you even do that?
 108 2014-09-24 01:42:41 <sipa> B losing its comment i cannot explain, btw
 109 2014-09-24 01:42:49 <earlz> I'm not sure. The wallet was under load and the RPC interface timed out after sending the RPC command for tx B
 110 2014-09-24 01:43:25 <phantomcircuit> o.o
 111 2014-09-24 01:43:26 <phantomcircuit> wat
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 116 2014-09-24 01:45:19 <earlz> So can comments for transactions ever be swapped or changed after they are sent, by-design?
 117 2014-09-24 01:46:03 <sipa> swapped, no
 118 2014-09-24 01:46:05 <sipa> copied, yes
 119 2014-09-24 01:46:06 <phantomcircuit> earlz, are you using the comments for anything important?
 120 2014-09-24 01:46:39 <earlz> they aren't vitally important, but they serve as a double check for accounting
 121 2014-09-24 01:47:47 <phantomcircuit> earlz, so the comment has like an invoice number of something in it?
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 123 2014-09-24 01:47:53 <phantomcircuit> transfer request id?
 124 2014-09-24 01:47:56 <phantomcircuit> something like that
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 126 2014-09-24 01:48:54 <earlz> yea
 127 2014-09-24 01:49:43 <earlz> a unique id to serve as a double check that I don't do a double pay, in case the RPC interface times out or whatever
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 132 2014-09-24 01:53:14 <phantomcircuit> earlz, how large is your wallet.dat?
 133 2014-09-24 01:53:32 <earlz> ugh... it's not small
 134 2014-09-24 01:53:32 <phantomcircuit> or actually
 135 2014-09-24 01:53:40 <phantomcircuit> im surprised that you're having issues
 136 2014-09-24 01:53:45 <phantomcircuit> unless your wallet is truly enormous
 137 2014-09-24 01:54:13 <earlz> define enormous lol
 138 2014-09-24 01:54:50 <phantomcircuit> earlz, i didn't start to have timeouts until i had 450k outputs in a single wallet.dat
 139 2014-09-24 01:56:08 <earlz> hmm.. let me check
 140 2014-09-24 01:56:22 <earlz> it's definitely not small, but I'm not sure it's that large
 141 2014-09-24 01:56:41 <earlz> I assume it'd depend on resources and such as well though
 142 2014-09-24 01:56:46 <phantomcircuit> yes
 143 2014-09-24 01:56:58 <phantomcircuit> sipa, actually this reminds me
 144 2014-09-24 01:57:09 <phantomcircuit> there isn't really a reasonable way for normal people to deal with this
 145 2014-09-24 01:57:47 <phantomcircuit> afaict the only way to deal with an rpc timeout for send calls is to stop bitcoind
 146 2014-09-24 01:57:51 <phantomcircuit> restart
 147 2014-09-24 01:58:01 <phantomcircuit> and manually verify that no transaction was generated for the call
 148 2014-09-24 01:58:13 <earlz> How would you even manually verify?
 149 2014-09-24 01:58:36 <phantomcircuit> earlz, check all of the transactions in listtransactions for the payto address
 150 2014-09-24 01:58:45 <earlz> sift through the txlist, manually decoding times and all?
 151 2014-09-24 01:58:49 <phantomcircuit> compare address/amount tuple
 152 2014-09-24 01:59:09 <phantomcircuit> getting that right though is non trivial
 153 2014-09-24 01:59:25 <phantomcircuit> i could see screwing it up myself actually
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 155 2014-09-24 01:59:56 <earlz> not to mention fees, if two payouts to the same address with the same amount are done in a close amount of time etc
 156 2014-09-24 02:00:09 <earlz> bitcoind sucks :)
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 158 2014-09-24 02:00:47 <sipa> the wallet in it absolutely does
 159 2014-09-24 02:01:16 <earlz> This was why the comment field was used, to avoid that whole mess... but if comments aren't reliable to not change over time... that doesn't actually help at all
 160 2014-09-24 02:01:44 <phantomcircuit> sipa, unfortunately im not sure anybody else has made a better one...
 161 2014-09-24 02:01:56 <earlz> So, a transaction comment can be replaced when there is a conflict, correct? Like by-design?
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 163 2014-09-24 02:02:46 <sipa> phantomcircuit: i think the bitcoind wallet does many things right in terms of best practices, but the implementation sucks
 164 2014-09-24 02:03:02 <phantomcircuit> right
 165 2014-09-24 02:03:09 <phantomcircuit> im not sure anybody else does it better though
 166 2014-09-24 02:03:24 <earlz> The API for it sucks in multi-threaded scenarios... but the bitcoin protocol itself isn't too friendly for that anyway
 167 2014-09-24 02:03:52 <phantomcircuit> earlz, give up and put all your rpc calls into a queue
 168 2014-09-24 02:04:16 <earlz> But then, if the RPC times out...
 169 2014-09-24 02:04:33 <phantomcircuit> you explode everything
 170 2014-09-24 02:04:40 <phantomcircuit> which is sadly probably the correct behavior
 171 2014-09-24 02:04:55 <phantomcircuit> automatically recoverying from a timeout for the send class of rpc calls is dangerous
 172 2014-09-24 02:05:26 <phantomcircuit> earlz, im actually surprised that anybody has a large enough wallet that they're running into those issues
 173 2014-09-24 02:05:42 <phantomcircuit> i've always had stuff designed that rpc calls failing would result in manual intervention
 174 2014-09-24 02:05:44 <earlz> IS there anywhere #bitcoin-dev is logged? I need to pastebin this whole thing heh
 175 2014-09-24 02:05:47 <phantomcircuit> and have never actually had to do it
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 177 2014-09-24 02:06:06 <earlz> And the problem is people mining into the wallet heh
 178 2014-09-24 02:06:10 <chaosagent> earlz, you cant copy-paste?
 179 2014-09-24 02:06:12 <chaosagent> yeah
 180 2014-09-24 02:06:15 <chaosagent> v big wallet
 181 2014-09-24 02:06:32 <earlz> irssi through tmux makes thigns slightly less easy... wait actually there should be a log file somewhere
 182 2014-09-24 02:06:36 <Luke-Jr> earlz: if you receive with the same address twice, you are doing it wrong and any behaviour is acceptable ;)
 183 2014-09-24 02:06:45 <phantomcircuit> earlz, oh i bet you have a ton of those little tiny eligius payouts
 184 2014-09-24 02:06:50 <chaosagent> okay ill get you a pastebin
 185 2014-09-24 02:06:59 <earlz> nah it's fine.. I got a log
 186 2014-09-24 02:07:18 <earlz> er shit
 187 2014-09-24 02:07:23 <Luke-Jr> earlz: can you confirm that you have never used importprivatekey?
 188 2014-09-24 02:07:26 <earlz> I don't have logging configured eh
 189 2014-09-24 02:07:34 <earlz> I can't :/
 190 2014-09-24 02:07:44 <chaosagent> http://pastebin.com/GfwHzQb3
 191 2014-09-24 02:07:45 <Luke-Jr> or at least that you sent the two transactions from the same computer/walletfile?
 192 2014-09-24 02:07:51 <earlz> This is somehwat a second hand account of all this
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 195 2014-09-24 02:08:31 <wizkid057> tiny eligius payouts?
 196 2014-09-24 02:08:55 <Luke-Jr> wizkid057: O.o?
 197 2014-09-24 02:09:06 <wizkid057> Luke-Jr: <phantomcircuit> earlz, oh i bet you have a ton of those little tiny eligius payouts
 198 2014-09-24 02:09:28 <Luke-Jr> earlz: so… same computer for those txs, or different?
 199 2014-09-24 02:09:57 <earlz> same computer
 200 2014-09-24 02:10:06 <Luke-Jr> earlz: same wallet.dat file?
 201 2014-09-24 02:10:09 <wizkid057> Eligius shouldn't payout less than ~0.01 BTC... and 0.001-0.01 BTC manually no more than once per week...
 202 2014-09-24 02:10:12 <earlz> There should never be a conflicted transaction at least
 203 2014-09-24 02:10:17 <earlz> I'm not sure what lead to it
 204 2014-09-24 02:10:46 <Luke-Jr> earlz: same wallet.dat file?
 205 2014-09-24 02:10:57 <earlz> I'm not 100% sure.. probably though
 206 2014-09-24 02:11:27 <Luke-Jr> you restarted bitcoind between the sends?
 207 2014-09-24 02:11:38 <earlz> yea
 208 2014-09-24 02:12:20 <Luke-Jr> how much time between?
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 211 2014-09-24 02:12:59 <earlz> months
 212 2014-09-24 02:13:10 <Luke-Jr> hmm
 213 2014-09-24 02:13:21 <Luke-Jr> so the first one failed months prior ..?
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 215 2014-09-24 02:14:38 <earlz> the first one wad fine. the secobnd was conflicted with the first months later
 216 2014-09-24 02:14:54 <phantomcircuit> wizkid057, lots of people set those to pay directly to exchange wallets and stuff
 217 2014-09-24 02:15:10 <phantomcircuit> so it ends up being spammy... bu tonly in the aggregate
 218 2014-09-24 02:18:49 <Luke-Jr> earlz: you mean it confirmed⁇
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 220 2014-09-24 02:21:33 <earlz> Luke-Jr: tx A was sent with comment X. Then, months later, tx B was sent with comment Y. The RPC call timed out while sending. When the daemon was restarted, it was revealed that tx B  was conflicted, and it had comment X (instead of Y)
 221 2014-09-24 02:22:10 <earlz> Like I said, no idea why the transaction was conflicted and how it was ever constructed
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 223 2014-09-24 02:30:36 <Luke-Jr> earlz: you did not answer whether tx A confirmed
 224 2014-09-24 02:31:27 <dgenr8> earlz: that it the wallet's "syncmetadata" routing "helping you out"
 225 2014-09-24 02:31:35 <dgenr8> s/routing/routine/
 226 2014-09-24 02:32:42 <earlz> tx A confirmed and was completely normal
 227 2014-09-24 02:32:46 <chaosagent> it got orphaned i think
 228 2014-09-24 02:32:57 <earlz> er, see also chaosagent lol
 229 2014-09-24 02:33:10 <chaosagent> send tx A with comment A'
 230 2014-09-24 02:33:10 <chaosagent> tx A gets orphaned
 231 2014-09-24 02:33:10 <chaosagent> send tx B with comment B'
 232 2014-09-24 02:33:10 <chaosagent> get conflict with the orphaned tx A
 233 2014-09-24 02:33:10 <chaosagent> and the comment for tx B is A'
 234 2014-09-24 02:33:11 <chaosagent> A was sent 4 months ago
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 236 2014-09-24 02:33:22 <chaosagent> thats the full story
 237 2014-09-24 02:33:48 <Luke-Jr> odd
 238 2014-09-24 02:34:10 <dgenr8> by comment do you mean address label?
 239 2014-09-24 02:35:45 <chaosagent> no
 240 2014-09-24 02:35:53 <chaosagent> its called comment
 241 2014-09-24 02:36:00 <chaosagent> its part of the tx
 242 2014-09-24 02:36:01 <earlz> No, as in like the third argument to sendtransaction
 243 2014-09-24 02:36:05 <chaosagent> yeah
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 246 2014-09-24 02:36:21 <earlz> er, sendtoaddress
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 252 2014-09-24 02:37:10 <dgenr8> Did A and B spend at least one of the same coins?
 253 2014-09-24 02:38:54 <earlz> Well, A was listed as a conflict for B I think
 254 2014-09-24 02:38:57 <dgenr8> that could happen if you used salvagewallet or were working with a copy of the wallet made at some point
 255 2014-09-24 02:40:41 <dgenr8> at the time of the txmall worries, a method "syncmetadata" was added to make malleated txes look similar to each other, so it wouldn't matter which one got confirmed
 256 2014-09-24 02:41:20 <dgenr8> ...as far as your account(/comment/addresslabel) balances are concerned
 257 2014-09-24 02:41:23 <sipa> salvagewallet throws all metadata away
 258 2014-09-24 02:41:41 <dgenr8> ah true that
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 262 2014-09-24 02:45:18 <dgenr8> if B also respent a second tx, clearly B can't be "sync'd" to both accounts
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 266 2014-09-24 02:46:57 <dgenr8> just digressing on the syncmetadata idea.  not in relation to your situation
 267 2014-09-24 02:47:12 <dgenr8> somehow your wallet didn't know the coins were already spent
 268 2014-09-24 02:49:05 <earlz> Not sure how that wouldhappen though'
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 270 2014-09-24 02:49:53 <Luke-Jr> chaosagent: comments are not part of the tx itself
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 276 2014-09-24 02:53:56 <dgenr8> A is not listed "as a conflict of B" (that would be nice). It's just "conflicted"
 277 2014-09-24 02:54:12 <earlz> Well, true I suppose
 278 2014-09-24 02:54:16 <earlz> let me check
 279 2014-09-24 02:55:11 <earlz> Well, it has the "walletconflicts" array
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 281 2014-09-24 02:55:46 <dgenr8> there you go.  just the ui doesn't tell you
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 283 2014-09-24 02:56:51 <earlz> Well, tx A has a lot of random conflicts, and then for tx B, the only conflict for tx B is tx A
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 285 2014-09-24 02:58:24 <Luke-Jr> how are you getting random conflicts⁈⁈
 286 2014-09-24 02:58:48 <dgenr8> sounds like a bunch of txes were created by a wallet that didn't know about A
 287 2014-09-24 02:58:58 <earlz> yea
 288 2014-09-24 02:59:12 <earlz> there's like 12 conflicts listed for A
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 290 2014-09-24 03:00:02 <earlz> Maybe there was an orphan or somethign and those were spent before confirmations.. I'm not sure how that happened
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 292 2014-09-24 03:01:10 <phantomcircuit> earlz, mind if i ask, what is this for?
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 295 2014-09-24 03:01:31 <earlz> The big problem is that the double-check for double payment failed because tx B had it's comment field set to the same comment as tx A
 296 2014-09-24 03:01:37 <earlz> phantomcircuit: I'm not at liberty to say
 297 2014-09-24 03:01:46 <Luke-Jr> earlz: that sounds like you used importprivkey or dumpprivkey, both of which are unsafe and dangerous for just this kind of reason
 298 2014-09-24 03:02:05 <Luke-Jr> earlz: there's probably a decent chance you've lost bitcoins
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 300 2014-09-24 03:03:49 <earlz> Well, this wouldn't have been such a problem if the comment field hadn't been copied to tx B
 301 2014-09-24 03:04:21 <Luke-Jr> if tx B is conflicted, then it is invalid
 302 2014-09-24 03:04:24 <Luke-Jr> no bitcoins were moved
 303 2014-09-24 03:04:34 <dgenr8> i take it you have a system built on top of bitcoind "accounts" feature
 304 2014-09-24 03:04:40 <earlz> no
 305 2014-09-24 03:04:48 <earlz> Only comments is used as a double check
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 317 2014-09-24 03:06:40 <dgenr8> i could do a patch that fixes syncmetadata to only sync equivalent txes (malleability clones).  that would have fixed this.  it is currently part of #4570
 318 2014-09-24 03:07:05 <Luke-Jr> earlz: in any sane case, that should be correct; but it may be buggy
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 600 2014-09-24 09:18:49 <aschildbach_> What's up with the merging of 0.9.3? Why is it delayed?
 601 2014-09-24 09:18:58 <aschildbach_> 0.9.3 sigs I mean
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 620 2014-09-24 10:05:46 <Happzz> the fee-calculation algorithm of bitcoin-qt (or another suggested way of calculating the "required" fees) documented anywhere?
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 622 2014-09-24 10:07:46 <rubensayshi> http://bitcoinfees.com/ + https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees + reading the source code ;-)
 623 2014-09-24 10:11:41 <Happzz> thanks, rubensayshi
 624 2014-09-24 10:12:41 <rubensayshi> after reading the 2 links, reading the source code should make enough sence to have verify you have all the details
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 641 2014-09-24 10:36:21 <wumpus> michagogo: his notification was lost, his pull's merged now
 642 2014-09-24 10:36:30 <michagogo> yeah, saw that :)
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 650 2014-09-24 10:51:45 <wumpus> in general there is no excuse to delay merging gitian sigs, the only checking I do before merge is that the right file names are added
 651 2014-09-24 10:51:56 <wumpus> non-matching sigs is just evidence that something with the build process may be wrong, not areason to not merge them
 652 2014-09-24 10:52:08 <wumpus> (but they all match luckily! :-)
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 658 2014-09-24 10:54:47 <michagogo> wumpus: and even that check, you don't always do :P
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 661 2014-09-24 10:55:11 <wumpus> michagogo: well I did catch your mistake the second time :)
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 689 2014-09-24 11:37:28 <aschildbach_> michagogo: I was just asking because all other sigs were merged. I wondered if something was wrong with mine.
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 782 2014-09-24 13:44:43 <justanotheruser> michagogo: probably. I was looking for something more C(++) based though
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 804 2014-09-24 14:11:45 <firelegend> awm:And that would be?
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 909 2014-09-24 15:48:57 <willermo> hello folks, i need a help, with bitcoinj how can i find the value for every vin within a transaction ??
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 915 2014-09-24 15:51:10 <sipa> you can't - either look up the former transactions whose outouts are beung spent, or require senders to give those
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1011 2014-09-24 17:35:16 <Consolero> Good Evening everybody :)
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1016 2014-09-24 17:36:25 <Consolero> someone here that could help me out with a, maybe, simple question ont multibit?
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1019 2014-09-24 17:38:11 <Consolero> is there a way to feed multibit with console-commands, like in the bitcoind/core client?
1020 2014-09-24 17:39:03 <sipa> i doubt that
1021 2014-09-24 17:40:53 <Consolero> i've read about "walletTool" from Mike Hearn, which was integrated/or not ... but i could'nt find anything
1022 2014-09-24 17:41:12 <kgk> wallettool is awesome
1023 2014-09-24 17:41:23 <kgk> it's in the tools directory of bitcoinj
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1025 2014-09-24 17:42:19 <kgk> https://github.com/bitcoinj/bitcoinj/tree/57bec6165baa0af72b21daea9100d330c068d8d7/tools
1026 2014-09-24 17:42:19 <Consolero> so i have to get bitcoinJ running to send commands from WalletTool to Multibit?
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1028 2014-09-24 17:43:16 <kgk> BitcoinJ is a java library. It's used by wallettool. wallettool is a standalone cli application that can be used to create a wallet and interact with the blockchain
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1030 2014-09-24 17:43:28 <sipa> bitcoinJ is a library - it's not "running", it's just a basis to build tools on top of
1031 2014-09-24 17:43:30 <kgk> multibit also uses bitcoinj. but it's unrelated to wallettool
1032 2014-09-24 17:43:35 <Consolero> i want to "create" a simple "forward" from incoming txs  everytime a wallet is funded
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1034 2014-09-24 17:44:05 <sipa> that really requires interacting with the wallet, unless you're going to create the wallet manually entirely
1035 2014-09-24 17:44:18 <sipa> *create the transactions manually
1036 2014-09-24 17:44:42 <Consolero> in another approuich i realized that already...with the coreclient,..but i want/need a lightweight client
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1038 2014-09-24 17:45:10 <sipa> you'll have to modify multibit for that, i expect - but talk to hearn
1039 2014-09-24 17:45:11 <kgk> does it have to be a multibit wallet? You could just use wallettool to create the wallet
1040 2014-09-24 17:45:17 <Consolero> i guess, i will check out electrum. they have a console that can be fed
1041 2014-09-24 17:45:45 <Consolero> no, im totally open to suggestions. but im not a "pro developer" :P
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1045 2014-09-24 17:47:15 <Consolero> goal is to have a wallet, that receives funds, just forwards it to another specified address and logs all relevant data (time, amount tx details etc)
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1049 2014-09-24 17:48:27 <sipa> may i ask why?
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1052 2014-09-24 17:50:12 <Consolero> i have some frinds, with businesses, that would accept BTC if i manage it for them
1053 2014-09-24 17:51:10 <Consolero> in my actual setup that already works perfectly. but if i want to do that for multiple customers
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1055 2014-09-24 17:52:59 <Consolero> from the start: my actual setup runs on Windows... and i don't get it to manage multiple "wallets" - one runs just fine.
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1058 2014-09-24 17:53:49 <Consolero> so i decided to setup a linux machine with VMs and host every wallet/friend/client in a seperate instance
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1060 2014-09-24 17:54:29 <Consolero> but i have troubles to adapt my scripts to work with other wallets, as i lack "bitcoind"
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1062 2014-09-24 17:55:24 <Consolero> thats why im looking for an lightweight wallet, thats able to receive commands on events
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1064 2014-09-24 17:56:32 <Consolero> lightweight also because i dont want to have a separate 22GB used on every VM for a full blockchain
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1068 2014-09-24 17:57:55 <Consolero> any ideas on that?
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1138 2014-09-24 19:32:36 <Mikw> Hi all, can anybody out there help me figure out why I am getting 'Invalid Signiture' response when pushing my tranaction to the blockchain?
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1140 2014-09-24 19:34:26 <poutine> can you provide additional details needed to answer this question. Like how you're making the tx, and perhaps the raw tx
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1144 2014-09-24 19:39:32 <Mikw> ok ill send you the decoded hex tx
1145 2014-09-24 19:40:00 <Mikw> {    "lock_time":0,    "inputs":[       {          "prev_out":{             "index":0,             "hash":"15da7570a337079f94712fe335746309c4bd327873d9f4607527a70c95f51632"          },          "script":"483045022100c042b9b8807062cac6a2b0a3301cbd46f96c99531abfdae8b074679b689c754d022034dc0736ca881e25db7656ecc3e88dd785304f86f759ec8a921e2d4b739fad5c014104643ecd2fb2cd65aab59718eb36458a6388df53d68833bac9fea74b780c243e7d3b694cc81e2bc02
1146 2014-09-24 19:40:13 <Mikw> hmm that is not easy to read...
1147 2014-09-24 19:40:42 <Mikw> here is the hex-encoded tx
1148 2014-09-24 19:40:44 <Mikw> 01000000013216f5950ca7277560f4d9737832bdc409637435e32f71949f0737a37075da15000000008b483045022100c042b9b8807062cac6a2b0a3301cbd46f96c99531abfdae8b074679b689c754d022034dc0736ca881e25db7656ecc3e88dd785304f86f759ec8a921e2d4b739fad5c014104643ecd2fb2cd65aab59718eb36458a6388df53d68833bac9fea74b780c243e7d3b694cc81e2bc02a86fdfff37215c4c66087726652cb61fe8e08112a62a0b429ffffffff0110270000000000001976a9141fbf5e275cddf25e6d07dfebf497df49cd917
1149 2014-09-24 19:41:04 <Mikw> you can decode it easily at this address: https://blockchain.info/decode-tx
1150 2014-09-24 19:42:01 <Mikw> i am making the transaction using NodeJS and the chain API
1151 2014-09-24 19:42:01 <sipa> can you use pastebin or something instead of pasting here?
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1153 2014-09-24 19:43:43 <Mikw> yes one sec
1154 2014-09-24 19:44:44 <Mikw> http://pastebin.com/Ue6MB3xC
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1156 2014-09-24 19:45:03 <Mikw> Decoded Hex Transaction: http://pastebin.com/Ue6MB3xC
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1159 2014-09-24 19:45:43 <dhill> encoded?
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1163 2014-09-24 19:46:27 <poutine> Your pasted raw tx is not valid, can you pastebin the raw hex encoded tx
1164 2014-09-24 19:46:38 <poutine> I think it got cut off by your irc client
1165 2014-09-24 19:46:52 <sipa> yes that's why i asked
1166 2014-09-24 19:47:01 <Mikw> ok sorry one moment
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1168 2014-09-24 19:47:36 <gmaxwell> IRC cuts off at (IIRC) 510 bytes (not including overhead).
1169 2014-09-24 19:47:41 <Mikw> http://pastebin.com/VbD4Ugjv
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1172 2014-09-24 19:49:54 <poutine> Mikw, This signature is invalid, the HASH160 of your pubkey should result in: 2402997072eeb8f8ab0b079c1f4f8d0d78f541b2, instead it results in 35d88b46d518e9628de2473a1d1eb4e8f5a506f7
1173 2014-09-24 19:50:45 <Mikw> My code: http://pastebin.com/u9egi5iH
1174 2014-09-24 19:51:01 <Mikw> take a look at my code that is generating this problem
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1176 2014-09-24 19:51:23 <poutine> You should probably ensure you don't post private keys in the future
1177 2014-09-24 19:51:24 <poutine> but checking
1178 2014-09-24 19:51:49 <Mikw> i thought about it, and theres only about 30cents on this address
1179 2014-09-24 19:51:56 <Mikw> thanks
1180 2014-09-24 19:55:56 <Mikw> im unsure about the part where I need to add previous tx hash for the input, do you know of a good way to source the input>
1181 2014-09-24 19:56:11 <gmaxwell> Mikw: you seem to be trying to spend 15uiDurmVehWGCefZMiDUUBPvPHiLQHX17 using the key for 14HQSWnC6rh53RjKv6eateDwPCNNq3uvjT.
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1183 2014-09-24 19:56:32 <gmaxwell> The compressed and uncompressed versions of a point are _different public keys_, which is why the private key encodes which you're using.
1184 2014-09-24 19:56:59 <Mikw> what am i supposed to be putting as my input?
1185 2014-09-24 19:57:27 <poutine> you have no txouts controlled by that private key Mikw
1186 2014-09-24 19:57:34 <poutine> you need the private key for 15uiDurmVehWGCefZMiDUUBPvPHiLQHX17
1187 2014-09-24 19:57:46 <poutine> bitcoind dumpprivkey 15uiDurmVehWGCefZMiDUUBPvPHiLQHX17
1188 2014-09-24 19:57:48 <Mikw> where does 15uiDurmVehWGCefZMiDUUBPvPHiLQHX17 come from?
1189 2014-09-24 19:57:59 <sipa> Mikw: read up about compressed and uncompressed public keys first
1190 2014-09-24 19:58:14 <Mikw> ok thanks for the suggestion, will do
1191 2014-09-24 19:58:17 <poutine> Mikw, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Technical_background_of_version_1_Bitcoin_addresses
1192 2014-09-24 19:59:42 <Mikw> still, how did you get the address 15uiDurmVehWGCefZMiDUUBPvPHiLQHX17
1193 2014-09-24 19:59:48 <Mikw> its not from my code
1194 2014-09-24 19:59:53 <poutine> that page explains exactly that
1195 2014-09-24 20:00:12 <poutine> it is from your code, it's derived from your key
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1197 2014-09-24 20:01:48 <gmaxwell> it's the address the txout you're trying to spen was paid.
1198 2014-09-24 20:01:56 <gmaxwell> bitcoin-cli  gettxout 15da7570a337079f94712fe335746309c4bd327873d9f4607527a70c95f51632 0
1199 2014-09-24 20:02:05 <gmaxwell> ...
1200 2014-09-24 20:02:05 <gmaxwell>             "15uiDurmVehWGCefZMiDUUBPvPHiLQHX17"
1201 2014-09-24 20:02:22 <gmaxwell> which also happens to be a different key which is _related_ to your private key.
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1204 2014-09-24 20:03:50 <Mikw> so you are saying that I can generate the uncompressed public key from the private key?
1205 2014-09-24 20:04:14 <sipa> the private key has a marker saying whether its associated public key is to be compressed or not
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1207 2014-09-24 20:04:29 <sipa> presumably the software you used doesn't deal with it correctly
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1210 2014-09-24 20:04:49 <sipa> so you have coins sent to the compressed pubkey, but trying to spend it using the uncompressed pubkey
1211 2014-09-24 20:04:52 <sipa> or the other way around
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1214 2014-09-24 20:06:51 <Mikw> i used brainwallet to generate these keys
1215 2014-09-24 20:07:18 <Mikw> or atually no, I think i used blockcypher API
1216 2014-09-24 20:08:28 <sipa> how did you generate the 5xxxx private key?
1217 2014-09-24 20:10:32 <Mikw> call to the blockcypher API for a random address.
1218 2014-09-24 20:10:45 <sipa> i have never heard about this, sorry
1219 2014-09-24 20:11:02 <sipa> i would suggest not using random APIs for private keys...
1220 2014-09-24 20:11:03 <Mikw> they return hex encoded public key, private key, and address
1221 2014-09-24 20:11:15 <Mikw> how would you do this instead?
1222 2014-09-24 20:11:15 <sipa> private keys in hex or in WIP?
1223 2014-09-24 20:11:26 <sipa> use actual software yourself? like a wallet?
1224 2014-09-24 20:11:32 <Mikw> sorry I think they are in WIP
1225 2014-09-24 20:11:44 <sipa> then that API is broken
1226 2014-09-24 20:12:18 <sipa> nor should you _ever_ use remote code to generate private keys
1227 2014-09-24 20:12:22 <Mikw> sorry for being confusion, I am a student at a coding bootcamp with like 2 months of programming experience. Im kind of regretting choosing a bitcoin project as my first project...
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1231 2014-09-24 20:13:30 <sipa> do you see the problem with some remote party knowing what your private key is?
1232 2014-09-24 20:14:09 <Mikw> yes, if they were recording them, they could just take my bitcoins at a moments notice
1233 2014-09-24 20:14:17 <sipa> ok
1234 2014-09-24 20:14:19 <sipa> don't do that
1235 2014-09-24 20:14:37 <sipa> just a suggestion for the future :)
1236 2014-09-24 20:15:13 <sipa> even if it's for a tiny amount, you'll need to figure out how to do it safely later anyway
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1238 2014-09-24 20:16:27 <Mikw> ha I really appeciate your advice
1239 2014-09-24 20:16:41 <Mikw> http://pastebin.com/s8grP105 --> my code for getting btc addresses
1240 2014-09-24 20:17:20 <Mikw> how would you securely generate addresses?
1241 2014-09-24 20:17:32 <sipa> use any local bitcoin client
1242 2014-09-24 20:17:45 <Mikw> such as?
1243 2014-09-24 20:18:05 <Mikw> I need them generated automatically when user presses a button
1244 2014-09-24 20:18:06 <sipa> bitcoind, bitcoinj, electrum, python-bitcoin, ....
1245 2014-09-24 20:18:29 <sipa> if necessary, generate a 1000 in advance rather than doing it on the fly
1246 2014-09-24 20:19:26 <Mikw> do you think that is how blockchain does it?
1247 2014-09-24 20:19:36 <sipa> do not imitate blockchain.info
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1249 2014-09-24 20:20:12 <sipa> (and don't confuse blockchain.info with blockchain)
1250 2014-09-24 20:21:06 <Mikw> ok, my bad
1251 2014-09-24 20:21:12 <Mikw> why not imitate them
1252 2014-09-24 20:21:39 <sipa> they often show wrong information, which takes weeks to fix
1253 2014-09-24 20:22:29 <sipa> hosting a webwallet on itself is not really a good idea (as opposed to encouraging people to run wallets locally), doing it on the same site makes it vulnerable to much more attacks
1254 2014-09-24 20:23:06 <sipa> systemic risk (what if the site goes down... many people can't access their money)
1255 2014-09-24 20:23:39 <sipa> the site shows things in a confusing way (making it look like internally addresses have balances)
1256 2014-09-24 20:24:44 <sipa> i understand the appeal and convenience of having web-based systems, but you shouldn't expect much appreciation for that model here
1257 2014-09-24 20:25:13 <sipa> bitcoin finally makes you able to be in control of your own money... don't just give it away to a site that can do whatever
1258 2014-09-24 20:26:29 <Mikw> i hear ya
1259 2014-09-24 20:26:50 <Mikw> i am trying to get to that point with my knowledge but it is hard and slow...
1260 2014-09-24 20:26:57 <Mikw> im working on it
1261 2014-09-24 20:27:00 <sipa> good :)
1262 2014-09-24 20:28:17 <Mikw> do you use the BitcoinJS
1263 2014-09-24 20:28:20 <Mikw> library that is
1264 2014-09-24 20:28:36 <sipa> i don't even know javascript
1265 2014-09-24 20:29:07 <Mikw> i know almost nothing but JS
1266 2014-09-24 20:29:46 <sipa> you'r eprobably better off in #bitcoin for general bitcoin stuff
1267 2014-09-24 20:29:59 <sipa> if you have specific technical question, they're welcome here
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1269 2014-09-24 20:30:29 <Mikw> tx.addInput(whatDoIPutHere, 0)
1270 2014-09-24 20:31:14 <sipa> I don't know. Look up BitcoinJS's documentation. If there is none, ask someone who knows. If you can't find that, use some other library :)
1271 2014-09-24 20:31:22 <Mikw> they say I need a previous transaction hash, I assume this is different than a uncompressed public key
1272 2014-09-24 20:31:29 <sipa> yes
1273 2014-09-24 20:31:35 <sipa> sorry, this is too basic for this channel
1274 2014-09-24 20:31:45 <sipa> please learn about bitcoin's data structures first
1275 2014-09-24 20:32:08 <sipa> start here: https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-documentation
1276 2014-09-24 20:34:49 <Mikw> ok, I appreciate that. My project is due in 2 days...
1277 2014-09-24 20:34:59 <Mikw> you have helped me though
1278 2014-09-24 20:35:03 <Mikw> thank you
1279 2014-09-24 20:35:07 <sipa> yw
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1282 2014-09-24 20:40:07 <Luke-Jr> blockchain.info *constantly* shows misinformation which they never fix..
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1285 2014-09-24 20:42:52 <Eliel> they keep listing certain transactions as unconfirmed, even though they do show continuation transactions as confirmed :P
1286 2014-09-24 20:43:38 <Eliel> I had a wtf moment with that until I realized it's just blockchain.info royally malfunctioning.
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1289 2014-09-24 20:48:18 <paveljanik> did you told them? ;-)
1290 2014-09-24 20:48:30 <paveljanik> no one is doing so and they think they are the best 8)
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1296 2014-09-24 20:55:04 <Eliel> well, my experience with emailing them in the past leads me to expect nothing to change if I tell them :P
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1356 2014-09-24 21:51:51 <Mikw> hello all, is anyone familiar with the BitcoinJS library?
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1381 2014-09-24 22:03:36 <Mikw> hello all, is anyone familiar with the BitcoinJS library? If so, please message me.
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1433 2014-09-24 22:49:28 <SomeoneWeird> Mikw: still
1434 2014-09-24 22:49:30 <SomeoneWeird> Er
1435 2014-09-24 22:49:41 <SomeoneWeird> #bitcoinjs-dev
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1506 2014-09-24 23:58:13 <bassguitarman> What does ACK mean
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