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 171 2014-09-26 04:10:10 <bombsite> hello, is there documentation on using the -testnet and -regtest for development?
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 190 2014-09-26 05:04:07 <phantomcircuit> testnet has something similar
 191 2014-09-26 05:04:13 <phantomcircuit> for 99% of testing regtest works well
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 213 2014-09-26 05:50:25 <bombsite> phantomcircuit, is the github issue tracker the main one used by bitcoin?
 214 2014-09-26 05:54:33 <phantomcircuit> bombsite, yes
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 218 2014-09-26 05:55:37 <bombsite> phantomcircuit: alright haha, I'm gonna go through and see if I can find some low prio issues
 219 2014-09-26 05:55:51 <bombsite> hopefully I can learn this codebase this way
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 300 2014-09-26 07:19:45 <bombsite> I'd like to give improving the makefiles a shot, as per this issue https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3979 . I'm not that experienced with makefiles, but I'd like to learn.
 301 2014-09-26 07:20:31 <bombsite> If those files are necessary for d and qt, but not for cli, could we simply refactor where it's pointed to in the Makefile.am?
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 307 2014-09-26 07:27:23 <sipa> bombsite: it's not that much a problem of makefiles, but of libraries
 308 2014-09-26 07:27:59 <bombsite> sipa: Ah that makes sense. so there's not really much that can be fixed by me...
 309 2014-09-26 07:28:05 <sipa> we're grouping the objects together in a few libraries, and then link a few together to produce a binary
 310 2014-09-26 07:28:21 <bombsite> I'm trying to find a low prio issue that I can try tackling to learn the code base
 311 2014-09-26 07:28:32 <sipa> oh please do!
 312 2014-09-26 07:28:40 <bombsite> but most of them seem to be beyond my scope
 313 2014-09-26 07:29:28 <sipa> feel free to come here and ask quesrions about the codebase
 314 2014-09-26 07:29:40 <bombsite> awesome thanks sipa :)
 315 2014-09-26 07:29:43 <sipa> i can't immediately point you at a 'simple',8##73 though
 316 2014-09-26 07:29:51 <bombsite> it's actually pretty funny though
 317 2014-09-26 07:29:55 <sipa> a 'simple' issue
 318 2014-09-26 07:29:56 <Luke-Jr> usually autotools is not a good place for beginners :p
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 320 2014-09-26 07:30:06 <bombsite> I'm good enough to get hired as a software engineer out of college
 321 2014-09-26 07:30:11 <bombsite> but still not good enough to contribute
 322 2014-09-26 07:30:14 <bombsite> to OS code
 323 2014-09-26 07:30:15 <sipa> haha
 324 2014-09-26 07:30:22 <sipa> welcome... to the real world
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 327 2014-09-26 07:31:42 <bombsite> question for you though
 328 2014-09-26 07:31:52 <bombsite> what is your general procedure for finding optimizations?
 329 2014-09-26 07:32:15 <bombsite> Do you have a way to profile hotspots? or do you just randomly "oh maybe if i do this here"
 330 2014-09-26 07:33:08 <wumpus> the first rule of optimization is to profile first, to find the bottleneck
 331 2014-09-26 07:33:45 <wumpus> the other way around is extremely discouraged, even if you're experienced, you'll do a lot of extra work and then when you actually measure you realize your change didn't even affect performance
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 334 2014-09-26 07:34:27 <bombsite> wumpus: That makes sense, but I've also seen some ridiculous optimizations that include fastpaths that basically require a ridiculous amount of understand of the compiler
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 336 2014-09-26 07:34:55 <bombsite> which I feel like you basically need a phD or lotsa experience to see it
 337 2014-09-26 07:34:59 <wumpus> bombsite: oh, sure, DSP and video decoding code is full of those, as well as inner crypto code
 338 2014-09-26 07:35:43 <bombsite> is there a way for me to understand/learn/whatever those a bit better without getting a phD?
 339 2014-09-26 07:35:44 <wumpus> but in general, for most people, most of the code you'll write in practice, you don't need those tricks (and you'll avoid them like the plague so that other people understand your code)
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 343 2014-09-26 07:36:05 <wumpus> it's still good to have a deep understanding of CPUs and compilers of course :)
 344 2014-09-26 07:36:45 <bombsite> I should quit my job and go back and get my masters lol
 345 2014-09-26 07:37:25 <bombsite> wumpus: what's your method for learning a new codebase?
 346 2014-09-26 07:38:07 <wumpus> bombsite: making small changes
 347 2014-09-26 07:38:12 <bombsite> Do you draw diagrams? or step through it with gdb? or interesting ways
 348 2014-09-26 07:38:17 <bombsite> hmm...
 349 2014-09-26 07:38:55 <wumpus> ie, find some simple thing that annoys you or crashes, debug into it, try to fix it
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 352 2014-09-26 07:39:33 <wumpus> drawing diagrams or stepping with gdb can be part of the process
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 358 2014-09-26 07:40:50 <bombsite> alright haha.. I think I'm gonna spend my friday and saturday just stepping through the code and trying to understand it
 359 2014-09-26 07:41:11 <bombsite> gonna sleep. night :)
 360 2014-09-26 07:41:29 <wumpus> goodnight
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 378 2014-09-26 08:01:24 <chichov> what library is bitcoin using to load config files?
 379 2014-09-26 08:01:37 <Luke-Jr> none
 380 2014-09-26 08:01:52 <Luke-Jr> unless you mean Bitcoin-Qt
 381 2014-09-26 08:01:55 <Luke-Jr> then it's Qt
 382 2014-09-26 08:02:15 <Luke-Jr> but that's not used for the .bitcin config files
 383 2014-09-26 08:02:18 <Luke-Jr> .bitcoin*
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 386 2014-09-26 08:06:07 <chichov> yep, qt
 387 2014-09-26 08:06:07 <wumpus> libsatoshi
 388 2014-09-26 08:06:20 <wumpus> :P
 389 2014-09-26 08:06:26 <chichov> heh, no?
 390 2014-09-26 08:06:42 <wumpus> the great utility library called util.cpp
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 392 2014-09-26 08:07:03 <wumpus> ReadConfigFile()
 393 2014-09-26 08:07:06 <chichov> alright, thanks
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 396 2014-09-26 08:07:51 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: it would actually be useful to have that part abstracted - I reimplement it in BFGMiner :p
 397 2014-09-26 08:08:05 <chichov> ah yea, a boost config file is used
 398 2014-09-26 08:08:13 <timothy> Luke-Jr: I used to maintain bfgminer on archlinux :P
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 400 2014-09-26 08:08:22 <Luke-Jr> timothy: used to? :o
 401 2014-09-26 08:08:22 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: hah, there's also various implementations of it in Python
 402 2014-09-26 08:08:37 <timothy> Luke-Jr: I don't mine anymore since mining with GPU is no more profitable :)
 403 2014-09-26 08:08:40 <chichov> thanks
 404 2014-09-26 08:08:44 <timothy> and it's almost useless
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 407 2014-09-26 08:09:49 <Luke-Jr> timothy: get some ASICs? :p
 408 2014-09-26 08:10:17 <timothy> I accept donations :P also an old usb semi-broken asic :P
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 521 2014-09-26 10:50:02 <timothy> another reason to pass to cloudflare http://blog.cloudflare.com/keyless-ssl-the-nitty-gritty-technical-details/
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 527 2014-09-26 11:01:40 <timothy> where is the tar of new version?
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 530 2014-09-26 11:07:11 <Happzz> are there some criteria under which a transaction is most likely to never be confirmed?
 531 2014-09-26 11:07:26 <Happzz> what happens to such a transaction that essentially never confirms?
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 533 2014-09-26 11:07:42 <Happzz> s/most likely/likely
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 539 2014-09-26 11:19:03 <wumpus> nodes will forget about them sooner or later
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 541 2014-09-26 11:21:52 <wumpus> sooner if the transaction is non-standard (it won't even be accepted in the mempool), but if valid otherwise and just not feasible for miners to mine it will be forgotten from mempools as nodes restart 
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 546 2014-09-26 11:34:48 <Happzz> wumpus how do i know if a transaction is that unfeasible
 547 2014-09-26 11:34:58 <Happzz> like, what criterias
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 549 2014-09-26 11:36:19 <wumpus> primarily whether the fee is enough for the size (in kb) of the transaction
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 553 2014-09-26 11:39:35 <wumpus> if no fee, or too little fee is attached there are some other constraints that determine the priority as a free transaction, such as how old the input coins are
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 667 2014-09-26 14:11:33 <sea> Hi all, I'm looking for an expert in the bitcoin protocol.
 668 2014-09-26 14:11:47 <timothy> like gribble?
 669 2014-09-26 14:11:57 <sea> Well, they should ideally be here and not idle. Is gribble here?
 670 2014-09-26 14:12:16 <timothy> I'm joking, gribble is a bot
 671 2014-09-26 14:12:18 <RagnarDanneskjol> haha
 672 2014-09-26 14:12:56 <sea> Hrm. Well anyway, I'd like a human who is reasonably certain that they understand the protocol well. An academic would be best. Are there any academics reading this?
 673 2014-09-26 14:13:15 <wumpus> better to just ask your question
 674 2014-09-26 14:14:07 <sea> I've developed a new family of attacks against the bitcoin protocol which will require a major overhaul and I'm looking for an independent expert to review my work before it's published.
 675 2014-09-26 14:14:20 <sea> I've got a few people already but I want someone from here as well.
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 678 2014-09-26 14:15:21 <wumpus> ping @gmaxwell
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 682 2014-09-26 14:20:06 <b-itcoinssg> sea: are you still there?
 683 2014-09-26 14:20:10 <sea> I'm here
 684 2014-09-26 14:20:59 <b-itcoinssg> I'm a scientist and I review peer reviewed papers, I'd be really interested in reading yours my e-mail is bitcoinssg@gmail.com and my twitter is @bitcoinssg
 685 2014-09-26 14:21:06 <sea> Oh good!
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 735 2014-09-26 15:07:51 <willermo> hello folks, i trying to dump all the bitcoin transactions to a DB, but bitcoind return "No information available about transaction" for certain transactions
 736 2014-09-26 15:08:04 <willermo> for example this tx 0437cd7f8525ceed2324359c2d0ba26006d92d856a9c20fa0241106ee5a597c9
 737 2014-09-26 15:08:52 <jgarzik> willermo, turn on txindex=1 in config, and -reindex
 738 2014-09-26 15:09:04 <jgarzik> willermo, spent transactions are not kept in that index otherwise
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 992 2014-09-26 18:32:54 <midnightmagic> sea: you did catch what helo said? Be careful. There are a number of academics who will pre-announce, and attempt to profit from any vulnerabilities you think you've found.
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1026 2014-09-26 19:18:48 <coryfields> maraoz: it'd be great if you could help get the deps working in 10.6, i'd be more than happy to step through it with you if you're willing to fight with it for a bit
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1041 2014-09-26 19:40:34 <maraoz> coryfields: I'd love to, but I gotta go now. maybe next week?
1042 2014-09-26 19:40:50 <coryfields> sure
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1055 2014-09-26 19:46:17 <BlueMatt> whats with the segfaults on master last night?
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1057 2014-09-26 19:48:07 * sipa knows nothing
1058 2014-09-26 19:48:24 <BlueMatt> damn, I was hoping someone would say they've been fixed, then I wouldnt have to debug :p
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1064 2014-09-26 19:57:59 <BlueMatt> dunno, built master last night and tried to do a loadblock with gui and it constantly segfaulted
1065 2014-09-26 19:58:11 <BlueMatt> 0.9.3 worked, however
1066 2014-09-26 19:58:21 <sipa> interesting
1067 2014-09-26 19:58:47 <BlueMatt> well, sometimes segfaulted, double-free'd, etc
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1071 2014-09-26 20:00:09 <BlueMatt> indeed
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1082 2014-09-26 20:09:04 <coryfields> BlueMatt: tests pass for that commit?
1083 2014-09-26 20:09:33 <BlueMatt> coryfields: which commit?
1084 2014-09-26 20:10:10 <coryfields> BlueMatt: whatever commit in master you were building
1085 2014-09-26 20:10:27 <BlueMatt> didnt have time to try, I was off to bed....
1086 2014-09-26 20:10:31 <BlueMatt> will debug a bit later today
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1142 2014-09-26 21:06:32 <abrkn> BlueMatt: check priv if available
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1212 2014-09-26 22:39:56 <gmaxwell> Did anyone actually competent see sea's message at all.
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1245 2014-09-26 23:24:49 <lechuga_> good grief
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