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  13 2014-09-27 00:22:22 <brisque> has anybody ever made a public patch that adds vout indexing to bitcoind?
  14 2014-09-27 00:22:59 <justanotheruser> ^also curious
  15 2014-09-27 00:23:01 <brisque> ie, creates an index that lets you look up what transaction spends a particular output
  16 2014-09-27 00:23:17 <justanotheruser> I think that is much easier to use than having your program scan every block for your tx
  17 2014-09-27 00:24:37 <brisque> that's sort of Hard Mode level stuff right there
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  20 2014-09-27 00:30:15 <brisque> I'm sure somebody has written it at some point, but the usual suspects all have so many brances I don't know where to begin looking
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  35 2014-09-27 00:48:00 <dcousens> can a transaction have a 0 BTC output?  Aka, 0.1 BTC, 0 BTC out (aka 0.1 BTC sent to miners)?
  36 2014-09-27 00:48:13 <dcousens> And is that considered < dust?
  37 2014-09-27 00:50:32 <brisque> you can have a 0BTC output, yes
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  39 2014-09-27 00:52:37 <firelegend> rest goes to? as fee?
  40 2014-09-27 00:52:57 <sipa> dcousens: yes; better even: before 'dust' was called dust, the behaviour regarding its handling has existed for 0-value outputs
  41 2014-09-27 00:53:03 <brisque> in your example, yes. fees are (in - out)
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  43 2014-09-27 00:53:52 <justanotheruser> sipa: Can I redeem a 0 btc output and if not, was I able to before a softfork?
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  45 2014-09-27 00:54:02 <sipa> you can redeem it
  46 2014-09-27 00:54:39 <sipa> at least according to consensus rules
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  50 2014-09-27 01:00:14 <dcousens> sipa: would that mean a 0BTC output would be non-standard and difficult to get mined?
  51 2014-09-27 01:00:21 <dcousens> (just verifying)
  52 2014-09-27 01:01:23 <sipa> yes
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  54 2014-09-27 01:02:11 <sipa> that's what i mean: 0 BTC outputs have been non-standard before the concept of 'dust' existed
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  56 2014-09-27 01:02:24 <sipa> but they are valid
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  73 2014-09-27 01:14:39 <justanotheruser> sipa: so why not softfork it so you can't spend 0btc outputs and clear all those from the utxo
  74 2014-09-27 01:15:16 <sipa> they're not an actual problem now, and softforks have inherent risks
  75 2014-09-27 01:16:35 <justanotheruser> hmm
  76 2014-09-27 01:16:37 <justanotheruser> interesting
  77 2014-09-27 01:17:09 <sipa> though on they other hand, making 0 value outputs illegal means we get an strict upper bound on the size of the UTXO set
  78 2014-09-27 01:17:45 <sipa> 21 million BTC / 1 satoshi * (max script size + some metadata)
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  80 2014-09-27 01:18:46 <justanotheruser> lol
  81 2014-09-27 01:19:09 <justanotheruser> computer science can be good at evaluating things that will never be a concern
  82 2014-09-27 01:19:20 <justanotheruser> s/at/for
  83 2014-09-27 01:19:47 <justanotheruser> if we reached the point where everyone was transacting by the satoshi then a fork to make the denomination smaller is inevitable
  84 2014-09-27 01:21:21 <brisque> sipa: do you know of anybody who has made a vout spentby index patch for bitcoind?
  85 2014-09-27 01:22:37 <sipa> i believe nobody but Satoshi did this (0.7 worked this way)
  86 2014-09-27 01:22:56 <sipa> and earlier
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  89 2014-09-27 01:23:33 <brisque> why did that index exist for normal wallets?
  90 2014-09-27 01:24:10 <sipa> not in the wallets
  91 2014-09-27 01:24:19 <sipa> the blockchain validation engine used to work that way
  92 2014-09-27 01:24:24 <sipa> for tracking and rolling back spends
  93 2014-09-27 01:24:29 <Luke-Jr> we may need 0 BTC outputs too
  94 2014-09-27 01:24:48 <justanotheruser> Luke-Jr: so we can put love messages in the blockchain but not pay miners right?
  95 2014-09-27 01:25:09 <brisque> ah, so there wasn't the undo files for reorgs? makes sense.
  96 2014-09-27 01:25:14 <sipa> indeed
  97 2014-09-27 01:25:15 <Luke-Jr> justanotheruser: I don't see how "not pay miners" makes sense here
  98 2014-09-27 01:25:36 <brisque> sipa: thank you, I wasn't aware of that history
  99 2014-09-27 01:25:44 <justanotheruser> Luke-Jr: you're right, it doesn't...
 100 2014-09-27 01:26:08 <sipa> justanotheruser: max UTXO size as a result from that formula: 21.1 exabytes
 101 2014-09-27 01:26:20 <sipa> that's huge, but not beyond human reach
 102 2014-09-27 01:26:30 <gwillen> should be enough for anybody
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 104 2014-09-27 01:26:53 <justanotheruser> sipa: great
 105 2014-09-27 01:26:59 <brisque> sipa: think anybody would be interested in a spentby index? I think Luke-Jr has mentioned it before at least
 106 2014-09-27 01:27:04 * justanotheruser whips out 50eb sd card
 107 2014-09-27 01:27:20 <sipa> brisque: i could do that in an hour i think :)
 108 2014-09-27 01:27:24 <brisque> justanotheruser: I think that would be physically impossible
 109 2014-09-27 01:27:48 <justanotheruser> brisque: with our current understanding of physics probably
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 111 2014-09-27 01:28:08 <sipa> it's only a few cubic metres of microsd cards
 112 2014-09-27 01:28:24 <sipa> (which costs more than its weight in gold, iirc)
 113 2014-09-27 01:29:24 <brisque> sipa: would you be willing to throw one together?
 114 2014-09-27 01:30:22 <sipa> maybe, if i'm bored :)
 115 2014-09-27 01:30:25 <brisque> sipa: if so, message me a fresh Bitcoin address.
 116 2014-09-27 01:30:50 <justanotheruser> that would only be a few million dollars right?
 117 2014-09-27 01:31:22 <brisque> justanotheruser: I'm not sure how you intend to encode data at a higher density than the number of atoms within the physical space
 118 2014-09-27 01:31:41 <justanotheruser> brisque: did I imply I intend to?
 119 2014-09-27 01:32:03 <brisque> surely a 50eb SD card would be higher density than that
 120 2014-09-27 01:32:19 <justanotheruser> it was a joke :/
 121 2014-09-27 01:32:43 <justanotheruser> not only would it break the laws of physics, but it would break the laws of predatory lending
 122 2014-09-27 01:32:46 <sipa> 2.4 m^3 per exabyte in 64gb microsd cards
 123 2014-09-27 01:32:58 <brisque> ha!
 124 2014-09-27 01:34:04 <sipa> for $15M
 125 2014-09-27 01:34:05 <brisque> wow, Google is estimated to have 15 Exabyte of total storage
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 127 2014-09-27 01:34:28 <sipa> where did you read that?
 128 2014-09-27 01:34:49 <brisque> http://what-if.xkcd.com/63/
 129 2014-09-27 01:34:57 <sipa> ha, right :)
 130 2014-09-27 01:35:08 <brisque> randall munroe is usually correct, but it is an estimate after all
 131 2014-09-27 01:35:11 <justanotheruser> I googled the price of an exabyte and only got facepalm
 132 2014-09-27 01:35:12 <justanotheruser> "The software needed for you to use 1PB (EMC DiskXtender for UNIX/Linux) is $241,980.88
 133 2014-09-27 01:35:15 <justanotheruser> you need 1000 licences, so $2,419,808,800 for the software. "
 134 2014-09-27 01:35:47 <bombsite> nsa is so good at wasting money..
 135 2014-09-27 01:36:11 <bombsite> my friends who work for gov't or gov't contractors have to log their hours at work at the end of every DAY
 136 2014-09-27 01:36:18 <justanotheruser> I can't believe google spent 30 billion dollars on 15,000 licenses of a program
 137 2014-09-27 01:36:21 <bombsite> that's ridiculous.
 138 2014-09-27 01:36:47 <justanotheruser> especially since they could have just paid their employees to create the software for tens of thousands of dollars
 139 2014-09-27 01:38:27 <bombsite> wait which program
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 142 2014-09-27 01:40:39 <justanotheruser> bombsite: joke about how this guy is factoring 1000 licenses of a program into the cost of an exabyte
 143 2014-09-27 01:42:03 <bombsite> ohh well
 144 2014-09-27 01:42:15 <bombsite> my company pays hella money for microsoft outlook and lync
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 146 2014-09-27 01:42:32 <bombsite> and I'm pretty sure there's enough talent for someone to just make a copy of it...
 147 2014-09-27 01:42:46 <justanotheruser> I'm pretty sure there are already better copies of it
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 161 2014-09-27 01:43:58 <justanotheruser> bombsite: I thought we were discussing what companies could do, not individuals
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 190 2014-09-27 02:03:54 <Luke-Jr> brisque: I have a spentby index independent of bitcoin core
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 192 2014-09-27 02:04:42 <brisque> Luke-Jr: ooh, how's it built?
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 194 2014-09-27 02:04:58 <Luke-Jr> in what sense?
 195 2014-09-27 02:05:13 <Luke-Jr> -rw-r--r-- 1 luke-jr luke-jr 811M Aug 20 19:28 txin.idx
 196 2014-09-27 02:05:37 <brisque> how does it interface, what type of store is it?
 197 2014-09-27 02:06:25 <Luke-Jr> it's C code, completely custom
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 202 2014-09-27 02:07:52 <justanotheruser> Luke-Jr: it parses the blockchain independent of bitcoind?
 203 2014-09-27 02:08:00 <Luke-Jr> yes
 204 2014-09-27 02:08:11 <Luke-Jr> it does share bitcoind's blkNNNN.dat files though
 205 2014-09-27 02:08:17 <Luke-Jr> blkNNNNN.dat*
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 207 2014-09-27 02:12:46 <brisque> hm, that's a hell of a lot smaller than mine (and mine sort of only half functions)
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 231 2014-09-27 03:02:15 <mrebola> Hi Folks
 232 2014-09-27 03:02:58 <mrebola> anybody have experience ussing this: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Abe ?
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 251 2014-09-27 04:01:25 <mrebola> Anyone know how to get a list of incoming transactions of a bitcoin address with amount in json format ?
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 577 2014-09-27 14:18:01 <goykasi> ive been working on a program that watches transactions that are actively being relayed, but ive noticed that a few peers that im connected to are broadcasting old txids (from previous blocks)
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 579 2014-09-27 14:18:16 <goykasi> why would that be happening? is that to be expected?
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 585 2014-09-27 14:19:13 <goykasi> for example, this one: https://blockchain.info/tx/148161187f772c3021114be059cf4de53f3d5740d8390ed7e0b531af14212168
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 593 2014-09-27 14:28:49 <Tebbo> hey
 594 2014-09-27 14:29:06 <Tebbo> i don't want to post a link right away, but can someone explain to me the "private keys leaked" site?
 595 2014-09-27 14:29:23 <Tebbo> why can't I just take the private key and take the money
 596 2014-09-27 14:29:39 <Happzz> the what?
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 601 2014-09-27 14:35:49 <Tebbo> http://directory.io/1#5HpHagT65TZzG1PH3CSu63k8DbpvD8s5ip4nEB3kEsreAbuatmU
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 605 2014-09-27 14:40:02 <gmaxwell> Tebbo: all that site is doing is listing allpossible privatekeys, it's effectively infinite in size. You'll never find a valid one in it, unless know the result in advance and go to it.
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 610 2014-09-27 14:45:06 <OGF> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McLlz5BVi-Y
 611 2014-09-27 14:45:22 <OGF> wrong channel
 612 2014-09-27 14:45:24 <OGF> shit my bad
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 621 2014-09-27 15:04:31 <Happzz> need some testnet coins at moX8DcDvHuhKEHzLShJzy8B4v32ZG6MLGA please
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 646 2014-09-27 15:45:42 <b-itcoinssg> Happzz:Have you tried the faucets?
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 650 2014-09-27 15:49:23 <Tebbo> gmaxwell, what dictates a "valid" key? futhermore, I've checked some of the addresses on blockchain.info and some have money in them
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 652 2014-09-27 15:49:42 <Tebbo> are the possible pairs important?
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 654 2014-09-27 15:50:06 <Tebbo> so to say, just because a priv key generated a pub key it does not follow that a pub key is related to a priv key
 655 2014-09-27 15:53:58 <b-itcoinssg> Tebbo: the website you mentioned does not have all the pairs generated, rather its generating them on the fly as you request the page
 656 2014-09-27 15:54:33 <b-itcoinssg> if it wasn't computationally infeasible to generate all pairs then Bitcoin would'nt work
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 678 2014-09-27 16:33:40 <mrebola> Good day everyone !
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 689 2014-09-27 16:41:41 <b-itcoinssg> hello
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 708 2014-09-27 16:55:45 <earlz> How do you compile bitcoin on cygwin? (not for redistribution)
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 710 2014-09-27 16:55:50 <earlz> I get this error configure: error: libdb_cxx headers missing
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 715 2014-09-27 16:59:40 <justanotheruser> earlz: why are you trying to compile on cygwin?
 716 2014-09-27 17:00:55 <earlz> Because it's easier than setting up a proper build environment with mingw
 717 2014-09-27 17:01:13 <earlz> and I just need to build for my own use,not for distribution to anyone
 718 2014-09-27 17:01:21 <earlz> (so the license stuff doesn'tmatter)
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 720 2014-09-27 17:01:30 <justanotheruser> you know there are windows executables right?
 721 2014-09-27 17:01:44 <earlz> yea. I want to test a modification
 722 2014-09-27 17:01:52 <earlz> and happent o not be on Linux right now lol
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 724 2014-09-27 17:02:31 <justanotheruser> ok
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 726 2014-09-27 17:02:58 <b-itcoinssg> earlz: why not install virtualbox and install ubuntu? You'll get a dispensable, controlable environment, and not to mention the full linux experience?
 727 2014-09-27 17:03:36 <earlz> because this is an underpowered laptop that can barely compile it as is
 728 2014-09-27 17:03:42 <b-itcoinssg> i see
 729 2014-09-27 17:03:58 <earlz> Also for easy editing... same reason I'm not just doing X forwarding and SSH
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 731 2014-09-27 17:07:20 <justanotheruser> earlz: are you making an altcoin?
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 737 2014-09-27 17:12:37 <gmaxwell> Tebbo: they don't have funds assigned to them.
 738 2014-09-27 17:13:01 <gmaxwell> Tebbo: please this is not material for #bitcoin-dev, go to #bitcoin and someone can explain counting to you. :)
 739 2014-09-27 17:17:17 <earlz> justanotheruser: s/making/made :)
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1098 2014-09-27 22:06:56 <Tebbo> gmaxwell, wowzers broseph
1099 2014-09-27 22:07:03 <Tebbo> such harsh man, mellow out
1100 2014-09-27 22:07:09 <Tebbo> but yeah, that's what I thought so I understand it now
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1122 2014-09-27 22:32:44 <kindoge> 0.9.3 won't recognize rpcallowip=a.b.c.d/x format properly
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1124 2014-09-27 22:35:20 <gmaxwell> kindoge: That functionality isn't part of 0.9.3.
1125 2014-09-27 22:35:36 <kindoge> alright, thanks
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1147 2014-09-27 23:08:02 <kanzure> gmaxwell: speaking of foo-notify, why is there any input at all? why not just tell notify-script-authors that they should ask bitcoind for the latest?
1148 2014-09-27 23:10:19 <gmaxwell> kanzure: you're free to ignore the input.
1149 2014-09-27 23:10:38 <kanzure> are any environment variables being passed?
1150 2014-09-27 23:11:02 <kanzure> i think i guessed wrong about which channel to send to
1151 2014-09-27 23:12:43 <gmaxwell> kanzure: no. just an argument
1152 2014-09-27 23:12:45 <phantomcircuit> kanzure, not intentionally
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1155 2014-09-27 23:13:51 <kanzure> phantomcircuit: oops, right.. i suppose i mean specifically "is input from tx data ending up in environment variables", but that's already answered
1156 2014-09-27 23:14:35 <phantomcircuit> kanzure, no and generally speaking notify should be operating in the same security context as bitcoind anyways
1157 2014-09-27 23:15:01 <phantomcircuit> i've suggested a number of times that the notify script simply triggers an external polling process
1158 2014-09-27 23:15:10 <phantomcircuit> nobody seems to listen though
1159 2014-09-27 23:15:21 <kanzure> if it is already polling then what is the trigger for?
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1161 2014-09-27 23:17:00 <gmaxwell> kanzure: just faster response.
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