1 2014-10-01 00:00:25 <BlueMatt> lechuga_: debugging them if you break something obvious isnt, but they rarely break in an obvious way
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4 2014-10-01 00:02:20 <lechuga_> i like the idea of making the consensus rules a shared library but i wonder how practical that is
5 2014-10-01 00:02:31 <BlueMatt> very practical
6 2014-10-01 00:02:35 <lechuga_> lots of things outside of acceptblock can affect consensus
7 2014-10-01 00:02:36 <BlueMatt> doing it with script only is trivial
8 2014-10-01 00:02:51 <BlueMatt> and 90% of consensus failures are script-based
9 2014-10-01 00:02:56 <lechuga_> true
10 2014-10-01 00:03:06 <BlueMatt> other things are not terribly hard to test, but even those wouldnt be /too/ hard to library-ize
11 2014-10-01 00:03:08 <lechuga_> r u still working on your shared script runner library?
12 2014-10-01 00:03:11 <BlueMatt> (even with pluggable backend)
13 2014-10-01 00:03:27 <lechuga_> would managing proper reorg behavior be out of scope?
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15 2014-10-01 00:03:35 <BlueMatt> I walked away from it for a bit, mostly because jtimon is working on other refactors that make it easier
16 2014-10-01 00:03:36 <lechuga_> (for shared consensus lib)
17 2014-10-01 00:03:52 <BlueMatt> no, thats ofc consensus lib
18 2014-10-01 00:04:15 <BlueMatt> but that one is harder to do, you're right
19 2014-10-01 00:04:27 <BlueMatt> still, I think it would be doable, but would require lots more refactoring
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22 2014-10-01 00:05:28 <lechuga_> anyway the comments rule :)
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24 2014-10-01 00:05:45 <firelegend> lechuga_:With an iron fist!
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27 2014-10-01 00:07:11 <lechuga_> i'd also be really really interested in using the runner library
28 2014-10-01 00:07:17 <lechuga_> that's the part that makes me the most nervous
29 2014-10-01 00:07:23 <lechuga_> for the obvious reason u already stated
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243 2014-10-01 04:57:50 <justanotheruser> reducing bitcoins dependencies includes writing a database from scratch I hope?
244 2014-10-01 05:01:07 <BlueMatt> someone want to close #5019
245 2014-10-01 05:02:34 <fanquake> BlueMatt Seems to be a new pull like that every week
246 2014-10-01 05:04:04 <BlueMatt> lol...webhost and your isp not peering? file a ticket with both!
247 2014-10-01 05:04:22 <BlueMatt> fucking extra 5ms of rtt
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289 2014-10-01 06:15:06 <SomeoneWeird> lol wtf is 5019
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291 2014-10-01 06:15:53 <Luke-Jr> fanquake: BlueMatt: SomeoneWeird: it's a user being confused by GitHub's erroneous terminology
292 2014-10-01 06:16:08 <SomeoneWeird> Luke-Jr: how so?
293 2014-10-01 06:16:10 <Luke-Jr> since they call it a "pull request" instead of a "merge request", users think they need to use it to request pulling the code
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295 2014-10-01 06:16:15 <Luke-Jr> occasionally
296 2014-10-01 06:16:23 <BlueMatt> ahh
297 2014-10-01 06:16:25 <Luke-Jr> so they open a pull request because they want to pull it
298 2014-10-01 06:16:35 <BlueMatt> you sure thats the problem in this case?
299 2014-10-01 06:16:37 * Luke-Jr actually inquired with one about a year ago :p
300 2014-10-01 06:16:46 <Luke-Jr> in this case, I can't be sure without asking again
301 2014-10-01 06:16:48 <SomeoneWeird> wat
302 2014-10-01 06:16:59 <SomeoneWeird> silly
303 2014-10-01 06:17:02 <Luke-Jr> another time, I explained how to git pull to the requester, and he thanked me
304 2014-10-01 06:17:11 <BlueMatt> ahh
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310 2014-10-01 06:34:12 <sipa> BlueMatt: yeah, that's the running theory; i think we've seen nearly a dozen cases of that by now
311 2014-10-01 06:34:27 <BlueMatt> we need a script to auto-close
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330 2014-10-01 07:12:53 <fanquake> wumpus Are you planning on a point release with the osx signing fix? Or have new dmgs been uploaded ?
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336 2014-10-01 07:16:20 <wumpus> fanquake: have already been uploaded
337 2014-10-01 07:16:52 <wumpus> there's not need to do a new release for this - the code hasn't changed, even the build system hasn't changed
338 2014-10-01 07:17:22 <fanquake> Yep, didnât think youâd have to.
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342 2014-10-01 07:19:10 <wumpus> seems to be a common pattern to have release problems with osx, just too many subtle code signing differences between releases
343 2014-10-01 07:19:44 <fanquake> mmm I havenât even looked at 10.10 yet
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388 2014-10-01 07:59:30 <phantomcircuit> wumpus, plz2removespam https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3313#issuecomment-38724010
389 2014-10-01 08:00:35 <wumpus> done
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392 2014-10-01 08:05:03 <wumpus> (didn't want to click that link, so I trust you that it was really spam not an innocent reference)
393 2014-10-01 08:06:20 <phantomcircuit> wumpus, someone pushing for block explorer duplicate
394 2014-10-01 08:06:27 <phantomcircuit> s/duplicate/clone/
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494 2014-10-01 09:41:02 <dabura667> Wondering how OP_IF works: so for instance if I wanted to perform an OPcode based on the outcome of a Boolean output OP (like OP_EQUAL)would I use: (result) OP_IF (op1) OP_ELSE (op2). : if result results in OP_TRUE on the stack perform op1 if false perform op2?
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496 2014-10-01 09:41:23 <dabura667> Or is it the other way around?
497 2014-10-01 09:41:46 <dabura667> Oh yeah, and OP_ENDIF of course
498 2014-10-01 09:43:01 <dabura667> (Op1) OP_IF (result) OP_ELSE (op2) OP_ENDIF ?
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609 2014-10-01 11:35:35 <brisque> can anybody throw me some testnet coins?
610 2014-10-01 11:36:20 <kinlo> brisque: give address
611 2014-10-01 11:36:30 <brisque> kinlo: n3FkcJg9Mj3A2LQ9ouCYJygwyh9Cz6Jnjd
612 2014-10-01 11:36:33 <brisque> thank you
613 2014-10-01 11:37:08 <kinlo> brisque: received them?
614 2014-10-01 11:37:42 <brisque> oh that's heaps, thank you
615 2014-10-01 11:37:52 <kinlo> only 100
616 2014-10-01 11:37:55 <kinlo> got plenty more
617 2014-10-01 11:38:04 <brisque> that'll do :)
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763 2014-10-01 15:06:15 <dabura667> Is there a method to test the validity of a script for the ScriptSig? ie. if I want to test my non-standard tx to make sure it can actually spend the output without actually attempting to broadcast it, is that possible?
764 2014-10-01 15:06:30 <dabura667> I have Bitcoin Core in testnet mode
765 2014-10-01 15:06:40 <brisque> decoderawtransaction maybe?
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767 2014-10-01 15:07:18 <dhill> decodescript
768 2014-10-01 15:08:40 <andytoshi> dabura667: i have an RPC server on wpsoftware.net:8001 that will do it
769 2014-10-01 15:08:56 <andytoshi> dabura667: `bitcoin-cli -rpcconnect=wpsoftware.net -rpcport=8001 raw_trace <rawtransaction>`
770 2014-10-01 15:09:53 <poutine> dabura667, I use bitcoin testnet in a box to test mine
771 2014-10-01 15:10:11 <poutine> but andytoshi's tool works well too, but it has some restrictions
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775 2014-10-01 15:11:47 <dabura667> hmmmmmm andytoshi: "error" : "InputNotFound(063b3d411c8cf495b0a98e8bd1b819faa3fec65e91c4c40f1137ea74091f7bd0, 0)"
776 2014-10-01 15:11:49 <dabura667> but
777 2014-10-01 15:11:55 <dabura667> http://tbtc.blockr.io/tx/info/063b3d411c8cf495b0a98e8bd1b819faa3fec65e91c4c40f1137ea74091f7bd0
778 2014-10-01 15:12:50 <dabura667> I am spending the multisig... so that's vout: 0........ right?
779 2014-10-01 15:13:12 <dabura667> err... p2sh
780 2014-10-01 15:13:30 <dabura667> technically not multi-sig per se
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782 2014-10-01 15:14:20 <poutine> use port 8002 for testnet dabura667
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788 2014-10-01 15:16:40 <dabura667> ok wow, this tool is amazing. thanks a lot andytoshi
789 2014-10-01 15:16:44 <dabura667> haha
790 2014-10-01 15:16:59 <dabura667> showing the stack is mind blowing.
791 2014-10-01 15:17:22 <earlz> what tool is this again?
792 2014-10-01 15:17:51 <poutine> earlz, it traces script execution step by step
793 2014-10-01 15:18:09 <earlz> what tool is it?
794 2014-10-01 15:18:17 <Apocalyptic> <andytoshi> [17:02:15] dabura667: `bitcoin-cli -rpcconnect=wpsoftware.net -rpcport=8001 raw_trace <rawtransaction>`
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796 2014-10-01 15:18:55 <earlz> oh raw_trace built into the wallet?
797 2014-10-01 15:19:09 <Apocalyptic> on his rpc server at least
798 2014-10-01 15:19:13 <earlz> ahhhh
799 2014-10-01 15:19:19 <earlz> forgot how RPC works lol
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804 2014-10-01 15:24:00 <earlz> Is that modification open source?
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806 2014-10-01 15:24:55 <andytoshi> earlz: it is not a modification
807 2014-10-01 15:25:00 <andytoshi> it is totally separate software
808 2014-10-01 15:25:10 <earlz> ah, completely different RPC server?
809 2014-10-01 15:25:20 <andytoshi> earlz: but yes, oss https://github.com/apoelstra/wizards-wallet
810 2014-10-01 15:25:30 <earlz> just happens to work from bitcoin-cli
811 2014-10-01 15:25:39 <andytoshi> dabura667: happy to help :)
812 2014-10-01 15:26:16 <earlz> written in Rust! <3
813 2014-10-01 15:26:40 <andytoshi> earlz: yeah, bitcoin-cli is a general RPC server :)
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843 2014-10-01 15:59:19 <dabura667> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/qwLqk4aT
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846 2014-10-01 15:59:35 <dabura667> should my sig have the 01 at the end at this step?
847 2014-10-01 15:59:54 <dabura667> verifying externally that sig should be from that pubkey
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851 2014-10-01 16:00:44 <dabura667> shouldn't CHECKSIG result in "01" if sig is ok?
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857 2014-10-01 16:01:44 <dabura667> andytoshi? poutine?
858 2014-10-01 16:02:04 <brisque> dabura667: you might also like webbtc's script stack viewer.
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876 2014-10-01 16:05:48 <dabura667> brisque: where is it at?
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886 2014-10-01 16:07:13 <zwischenzug> dabura667, http://webbtc.com/script
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889 2014-10-01 16:07:22 <brisque> dabura667: http://webbtc.com/script/e0b29a2930de8700002e65d4a3950e59934a1f69b69e7bf05b5a6ae522648f1c:0
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910 2014-10-01 16:11:26 <dabura667> hmm
911 2014-10-01 16:11:43 <dabura667> is there a way to use that with a raw tx? (one not broadcasted yet)
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914 2014-10-01 16:11:54 <brisque> yes, just fill in your own values
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977 2014-10-01 16:22:41 <dabura667> I just checked my unsigned transaction against my signed transaction... perfectly fine. I removed the input properly. I am using the output of the previous transaction properly.
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989 2014-10-01 16:24:27 <dabura667> TX rejected (code -22)
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1076 2014-10-01 16:32:11 <dabura667> I'm thinking I need to do a manual OP_CODESEPARATOR
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1082 2014-10-01 16:32:36 <dabura667> I think it's not hashing the right parts
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1100 2014-10-01 16:34:57 <zwischenzug> dabura667, what are you trying to do?
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1138 2014-10-01 16:40:11 <dabura667> Scriptsig: PUSHBYTE SIG_OF_A_IF_X_B_IF_Y PUSHBYTE <PUBKEYXorY> PUSHBYTE <REDEEMSCRIPT>
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1141 2014-10-01 16:40:19 <dabura667> REDEEMSCRIPT: OP_HASH160 OP_DUP PUSHBYE <HASH160OFPUBKEYX> OP_EQUAL OP_IF OP_DROP PUSHBYTE <PUBKEYA> OP_CHECKSIG OP_ELSE PUSHBYTE <HASH160OFPUBKEYY> OP_EQUAL OP_IF PUSHBYTE <PUBKEYB> OP_CHECKSIG OP_ENDIF OP_ENDIF
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1146 2014-10-01 16:41:57 <dabura667> my current tx pushes PUBKEYY and uses a sig from PUBKEYB
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1164 2014-10-01 16:44:35 <dabura667> if gets down to the stack having SIG_OF_B with PUBKEYB on top of it... then OP_CHECKSIG fails.
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1168 2014-10-01 16:45:10 <dabura667> which it passes on my side, and when I give the tx hash to WEBBTC it passes too... which means that the client isn't hashing correctly.
1169 2014-10-01 16:45:15 <dabura667> or I am not
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1175 2014-10-01 16:46:12 <dabura667> my unsigned message includes the "01000000" at the end and replaces the scriptsig, including varint with the scriptpubkey of the referenced transaction's vout.
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1186 2014-10-01 16:48:35 <dabura667> zwischenzug: just trying to mess around with OP codes and make stuff.
1187 2014-10-01 16:48:36 <zwischenzug> so, it evaluates to true on your side, and on webbtc.....where is it failing?
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1190 2014-10-01 16:49:02 <dabura667> Bitcoin Core, blockr.io, and andytoshi's RPC raw_trace
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1198 2014-10-01 16:50:31 <zwischenzug> can you paste the raw transaction somewhere?
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1202 2014-10-01 16:51:25 <dabura667> the signed tx is as follows:
1203 2014-10-01 16:51:25 <dabura667> 010000000144eebc11e668f09e962ea8a09de8bd6000e2e84fd6fc3e568501c96dbf37770200000000fd470148304502207a6d35cd0a4d852ecf9660ce1e3abaf9fdb24e1281ae188606c09dccf9956721022100ef6002e982d30539d73b759aa6642466a4896dce47fedb2223994cc2dbf4c5ac01410436cdc02bf641aaed5eca5a80ea89ec2f076ab3c8f647fa735960ceb0b3112ea766bceffb838cf08df5e0b423dd79ba7cc359b6f3423d7e9fcd381ca426
1204 2014-10-01 16:51:25 <dabura667> ce69bd4cbaa97614ddcf25be06fd85843b29e0eaa1f0fe18071251cc87637541048e415470664c3725908b9bc39f0df2206f720d4dffa9ec29170ff53dc8f309f1870f3fdd8579d2db082c358e2fb2b00b601c7d354dac0fd1c08292d05fee5e39ac67142bc5b1ec836f6af597e62be0a9dc705244e96a93876341048c3dd558a5f6769c4038c76119b9220dc23cdf27a261f0caaf9e12d847068686637c5c89d986e02b05a47c6c49ab926f816ab05565dee622
1205 2014-10-01 16:51:25 <dabura667> 9def471caf023fc6ac6868ffffffff01a0c44a00000000001976a91454162f4fefc07dd0a01336d278b77552eea0d09488ac00000000
1206 2014-10-01 16:51:45 <dabura667> oops, thought irccloud would auto-pastebin it
1207 2014-10-01 16:52:03 <dabura667> zwischenzug
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1219 2014-10-01 17:02:08 <dabura667> Also, for this sig, I am signing the following unsigned tx: 010000000144eebc11e668f09e962ea8a09de8bd6000e2e84fd6fc3e568501c96dbf3777020000000017a91457e821b8513ea3bb05e74eacf2fa7022d39172e887ffffffff01a0c44a00000000001976a91454162f4fefc07dd0a01336d278b77552eea0d09488ac0000000001000000
1220 2014-10-01 17:02:51 <dabura667> 17a91457e821b8513ea3bb05e74eacf2fa7022d39172e887 is the vout:0 of the previous tx, 027737bf6dc90185563efcd64fe8e20060bde89da0a82e969ef068e611bcee44
1221 2014-10-01 17:03:10 <dabura667> http://tbtc.blockr.io/api/v1/tx/raw/027737bf6dc90185563efcd64fe8e20060bde89da0a82e969ef068e611bcee44
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1223 2014-10-01 17:05:04 <dabura667> the double sha256 of the unsigned tx is c353e3ea90b2912674d7a88050ead31cd213756d13831bca250e2a56d4f775b6
1224 2014-10-01 17:05:24 <dabura667> (which I fed into webbtc and got 1 for CHECKSIG
1225 2014-10-01 17:05:40 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen, wumpus: I meant shut down the metal, not the vm
1226 2014-10-01 17:06:09 <BlueMatt> iirc the only other thing on there is bitcoincore.org, but having that server for just that is quite a waste
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1228 2014-10-01 17:06:33 <BlueMatt> yea, gavinandresen do you want to move bitcoincore.org?
1229 2014-10-01 17:06:39 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: no
1230 2014-10-01 17:06:48 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: metal is cheap, our time is valuable
1231 2014-10-01 17:06:51 <BlueMatt> that is a damn-expensive server for just that
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1234 2014-10-01 17:07:54 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: âweâ should be using that server for more stuffâ DNS seeders, for example....
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1238 2014-10-01 17:08:51 <linuxperia> hi all. i have a small question related to the bitcoin protocol. what is the protocol message flow order when a node connect to a another node? do i understand it right that first always the version message is sent?
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1240 2014-10-01 17:10:51 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: ok....someone should do that
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1243 2014-10-01 17:16:08 <gavinandresen> BlueMatt: hmmm⦠I may change my mind, the renewal date for that hardware is fast approaching. Might make sense to move bitcoincore.org to chunkhostâ¦..
1244 2014-10-01 17:16:41 <BlueMatt> might make sense to move it to a non-self-managed vm
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1246 2014-10-01 17:17:35 <hearn> BlueMatt: bitcoinj might start polling it at some point
1247 2014-10-01 17:17:40 <hearn> so i'm happy with it being expensive and beefy
1248 2014-10-01 17:18:22 <BlueMatt> polling it for what?
1249 2014-10-01 17:18:25 <BlueMatt> fee info or something?
1250 2014-10-01 17:18:43 <BlueMatt> anyway, that needs beefy bw, not beefy hardware :)
1251 2014-10-01 17:19:48 <hearn> yeah floating fee info
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1327 2014-10-01 18:39:59 <michagogo> Has anyone tested running Bitcoin Core on Windows 10 yet?
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1355 2014-10-01 18:56:18 <sipa> windows... 10?
1356 2014-10-01 18:56:30 <michagogo> sipa: yeah
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1358 2014-10-01 18:56:39 <michagogo> They're skipping 9
1359 2014-10-01 18:56:48 <sipa> that's even better than firefox!
1360 2014-10-01 18:57:30 <michagogo> Rumor has it that they realized that there was a lot of code checking for "version starts with 9" to match 95+98
1361 2014-10-01 18:57:37 <michagogo> And so they decided to skip it
1362 2014-10-01 18:57:51 <michagogo> Other suggested reasons have been that Windows 7 8 9
1363 2014-10-01 18:57:56 <Luke-Jr> lol
1364 2014-10-01 18:58:51 <michagogo> But whatever the actual reason(s) is/are, the next Windows is Windows 10, and the preview is out today
1365 2014-10-01 18:59:16 * michagogo has it installing in a virtualbox
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1367 2014-10-01 19:00:29 <jrick> and now we know why nothing worked on windows me
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1370 2014-10-01 19:02:01 <brisque> michagogo: OSX had that issue. they released an update to 10.6 called "10.6.10", except no software was ever designed for two digits in the third version number. so heaps of things read "10.6.1" and failed out when the update was applied. nightmare.
1371 2014-10-01 19:02:02 * michagogo is unfamiliar with windows me
1372 2014-10-01 19:02:11 <michagogo> brisque: heh
1373 2014-10-01 19:02:19 * sipa switched from Windows ME to Linux...
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1375 2014-10-01 19:02:28 <michagogo> Anyone that failed on that is going to be annoyed next time we release
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1415 2014-10-01 19:50:09 <michagogo> Interesting
1416 2014-10-01 19:50:24 <michagogo> Comparing the Bitcoin-Qt mouseover tooltip sync progress to a tailf of debug.log
1417 2014-10-01 19:50:53 <michagogo> I didn't realize the GUI didn't update in realtime o_O
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1419 2014-10-01 19:51:16 <michagogo> In the past I've wiggled the mouse and had it update in real time, I seem to recall
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1433 2014-10-01 20:02:33 <wumpus> use the debug window if you want a 'realtime' number
1434 2014-10-01 20:02:41 <dhill> what if bitcoin core reprocessed its mempool on startup? if it removed txs it wouldn't accept anymore.. hmm
1435 2014-10-01 20:02:50 <michagogo> wumpus: debug window was also not realtime
1436 2014-10-01 20:03:00 <michagogo> It showed the same thing as a tooltip generated at that moment
1437 2014-10-01 20:03:32 <wumpus> michagogo: maybe it doesn't update while the tooltip is visible
1438 2014-10-01 20:03:42 <michagogo> Nope, that's not it either
1439 2014-10-01 20:03:59 <wumpus> well anyhow it always worked fine here
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1443 2014-10-01 20:08:47 <wumpus> dhill: I'm not sure what point you're trying to make
1444 2014-10-01 20:09:14 <dhill> bitcoin core saves mempool to disk, yes?
1445 2014-10-01 20:09:21 <wumpus> no, it doesn't
1446 2014-10-01 20:10:13 <wumpus> mempool is memory only, it starts out empty
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1448 2014-10-01 20:11:19 <wumpus> currently that's also the only way transactions ever expire from the mempool (apart from being mined into a block), although there is a pull to add code to periodically clean up old transactions
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1452 2014-10-01 20:12:38 <dhill> so remove txs from mempool after X time.
1453 2014-10-01 20:12:42 <wumpus> (oh forgot, they also fall out of the mempool if a conflicting transaction makes it into a block)
1454 2014-10-01 20:12:51 <wumpus> yes
1455 2014-10-01 20:13:02 <dhill> remove double spends when a new block comes in
1456 2014-10-01 20:13:09 <dhill> ok
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1459 2014-10-01 20:14:58 <wumpus> right, the mempool is never allowed to conflict with the block chain
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1516 2014-10-01 21:09:07 <CheckDavid> Any businesses looking to hire or professionals looking for a job in the bitcoin community around here?
1517 2014-10-01 21:12:34 <michagogo> Okay, Windows 10 is installed, as is Bitcoin Core
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1520 2014-10-01 21:12:54 <michagogo> Downloaded a small ftp server and am transferring the blk*.dats in right now
1521 2014-10-01 21:13:00 <michagogo> I'll see tomorrow if it syncs :D
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1528 2014-10-01 21:24:18 <cfields> wumpus: probably worth sending a mail to the dev list about shutting down pull-tester, only because I assume some people may use its mails to monitor new pull requests. Want me to send a quick message?
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1568 2014-10-01 22:23:30 <spinza> michagogo: why not let it sync over the lan?
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1595 2014-10-01 22:51:37 <kryo_> hey
1596 2014-10-01 22:52:00 <kryo_> i need $ bitcoind listsentbyaccount
1597 2014-10-01 22:52:17 <kryo_> but i only see $ bitcoind listreceivedbyaccount
1598 2014-10-01 22:52:50 <kryo_> oh... nvm
1599 2014-10-01 22:53:09 <kryo_> i need a way to filter listtransactions using the cli
1600 2014-10-01 22:53:25 <kryo_> so it only shows "send" transactions
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1606 2014-10-01 23:01:25 <kryo_> if anyone is interested... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18592173/select-objects-based-on-value-of-variable-in-object-using-jq
1607 2014-10-01 23:01:52 <kryo_> ./bitcoind listtransactions "" | jq '.[] | select(.category=="send")'
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1627 2014-10-01 23:40:14 <Guest13543> How does one change an account name in bitcoind?
1628 2014-10-01 23:40:45 <Guest13543> e.g. in the case when a user wants to change his username, and his bitcoind account should follow
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1630 2014-10-01 23:41:07 * warren wonders when accounts will be removed from core
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