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76 2014-10-03 01:37:04 <CodeShark> any asio experts in here?
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79 2014-10-03 01:40:45 <BlueMatt> pge@mattcorallo.comtADFuF_h46a5MGp
80 2014-10-03 01:41:46 <sipa> ?
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82 2014-10-03 01:41:57 <BlueMatt> really should stop auto-typing passwords next to the irc window
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84 2014-10-03 01:42:46 <sipa> hunter2
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91 2014-10-03 01:54:08 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, lolol
92 2014-10-03 01:54:15 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, im always worried about doing that
93 2014-10-03 01:54:18 <phantomcircuit> have yet to actually do it
94 2014-10-03 01:54:32 <BlueMatt> phantomcircuit: thats only like the third or fourth time...one of these days its gonna be my bank
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97 2014-10-03 01:59:27 <phantomcircuit> BlueMatt, at least you'd have pretty good proof that you were "hacked"
98 2014-10-03 01:59:36 <BlueMatt> true
99 2014-10-03 02:02:23 <jgarzik> One of the top-level Linux kernel hackers did an experiment, where he tweeted each shell command he typed
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101 2014-10-03 02:02:35 <jgarzik> worked great, until he typed too fast for a password prompt
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103 2014-10-03 02:03:03 <BlueMatt> oops
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109 2014-10-03 02:06:15 <CodeShark> I want a separate crypto coprocessor with its own keyboard :)
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112 2014-10-03 02:06:49 <CodeShark> and display
113 2014-10-03 02:08:19 <BlueMatt> dont we all...
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115 2014-10-03 02:10:17 <CodeShark> I hope to get rid of passwords eventually
116 2014-10-03 02:10:27 <SomeoneWeird> dont we all...
117 2014-10-03 02:10:31 <CodeShark> lol
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194 2014-10-03 04:08:22 <prettymuchbryce> I recently created some bare minimum bitcoin functionality in Go, which I'm calling "Hello Bitcoin" for anyone interested in learning more about the protocol. https://github.com/prettymuchbryce/hellobitcoin
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205 2014-10-03 04:17:16 <Luke-Jr> prettymuchbryce: different from btcd how?
206 2014-10-03 04:20:18 <sipa> Luke-Jr: NIH
207 2014-10-03 04:21:58 <prettymuchbryce> I'm not trying to build a fully featured client. It was an experiment to help me learn more about the protocol, but I think it would be interesting for anyone who wanted to learn how the protocol works at a lower level in the most simple use cases.
208 2014-10-03 04:22:22 <prettymuchbryce> Appreciate the cynacism sipa, cheers.
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211 2014-10-03 04:23:31 <sipa> prettymuchbryce: it's not criticism; for experimentation i fully support reimplementing things
212 2014-10-03 04:23:49 <sipa> doesn't mean t's a good way to do something impactful :)
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215 2014-10-03 04:24:34 <prettymuchbryce> Learning is the first step in doing something impactful.
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250 2014-10-03 05:42:01 <Alina-malina> guys how much space i would require to run abe in postgresql and analize the data?
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252 2014-10-03 05:43:45 <phantomcircuit> try it and find out
253 2014-10-03 05:45:25 <Alina-malina> >.<
254 2014-10-03 05:45:28 <Alina-malina> no
255 2014-10-03 05:45:29 <Alina-malina> u
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260 2014-10-03 05:49:42 <phantomcircuit> Alina-malina, no u
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264 2014-10-03 05:54:18 <Alina-malina> never
265 2014-10-03 05:54:20 <Alina-malina> u
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268 2014-10-03 06:04:58 <phantomcircuit> make -j
269 2014-10-03 06:04:59 <phantomcircuit> nom
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272 2014-10-03 06:10:58 <Alina-malina> guys how much hdd space i would require to run abe in postgresql and analize the data?
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275 2014-10-03 06:12:01 <phantomcircuit> Alina-malina, you're off topic
276 2014-10-03 06:12:07 <phantomcircuit> this is bitcoin core development
277 2014-10-03 06:12:12 <phantomcircuit> also i doubt anybody has any idea
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279 2014-10-03 06:12:25 <Alina-malina> who cares what bout doubt, just relax
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282 2014-10-03 06:15:43 <chaosagent> Alina-malina: probably the same or a bit mroe than the blkfile size
283 2014-10-03 06:15:59 <Alina-malina> you mean the .dat file?
284 2014-10-03 06:16:06 <chaosagent> yeah
285 2014-10-03 06:16:24 <chaosagent> leave a few gbs just in case
286 2014-10-03 06:16:47 <Alina-malina> will it run on single core machine? i have a weak machine, so i want to run an analizer algorithm on it?
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298 2014-10-03 06:41:11 <goykasi> is it just me, or has a miner been spamming testnet for the past day?
299 2014-10-03 06:41:34 <wumpus> Alina-malina: if you want to analyze the whole block chain (ie, at a transaction or even lower level) in a sql database you're going to need tons of harddisk space, much more than the compact format bitcoin core uses
300 2014-10-03 06:41:57 <wumpus> goykasi: hearn mentioned it as well yesterday, someone spamming empty blocks?
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302 2014-10-03 06:42:29 <goykasi> yah
303 2014-10-03 06:42:36 <Alina-malina> hmmm right
304 2014-10-03 06:42:48 <goykasi> it was ok for a second because i was able to test some 0 fee transactions
305 2014-10-03 06:42:55 <goykasi> but now its splitting
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307 2014-10-03 06:44:12 <goykasi> 2014-10-03 06:37:10 CheckForkWarningConditions: Warning: Large valid fork found
308 2014-10-03 06:44:17 <goykasi> and
309 2014-10-03 06:44:18 <goykasi> Chain state database corruption likely.
310 2014-10-03 06:44:20 <goykasi> argh
311 2014-10-03 06:44:32 <Alina-malina> is 80GB enough got abe?
312 2014-10-03 06:44:35 <Alina-malina> *for
313 2014-10-03 06:44:50 <wumpus> Alina-malina: not sure what tools you're using, but for insight they say: As of June 2014, storing the livenet blockchain takes ~35GB of disk space (2GB for the testnet). Wouldn't be surprised if at least 10GB more is needed since then.
314 2014-10-03 06:45:13 <Alina-malina> oh
315 2014-10-03 06:45:40 <wumpus> so that's in addition to the block files themselves
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484 2014-10-03 11:48:43 <michagogo> phantomcircuit: doesn't that switch take an argument?
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534 2014-10-03 13:03:49 <jgarzik> Very nice
535 2014-10-03 13:03:54 <jgarzik> bitcoinj gains HD wallet + Tor
536 2014-10-03 13:04:04 <jgarzik> Been waiting ages for that... huzzah :)
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538 2014-10-03 13:05:01 <willermo> hello, i'm trying to send 5430 satashis, bitcoind response is "transaction amount is to small", in the past i was able to transfer this type of amount running bitcoind with -mintxfeerelay=0.0005430 but now it's now working anymore
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544 2014-10-03 13:08:42 <willermo> hello, i'm trying to send 5430 satoshis, bitcoind response is "transaction amount is to small", in the past i was able to transfer this type of amount running bitcoind with -mintxfeerelay=0.0005430 but now it's not working anymore
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546 2014-10-03 13:11:20 <hearn> jgarzik: yeah, finally :) this release took too long
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621 2014-10-03 14:40:41 <willermo> hello, i'm trying to send 5430 satoshis, bitcoind response is "transaction amount is to small", in the past i was able to transfer this type of amount running bitcoind with -mintxfeerelay=0.0005430 but now it's not working anymore
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636 2014-10-03 15:00:15 <michagogo> willermo: you have the switch wrong.
637 2014-10-03 15:00:26 <michagogo> Run bitcoind --help
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725 2014-10-03 16:48:00 <BlueMatt> cfields: just a random note: I'd /really/ like to see a libscript or so make it in 0.10
726 2014-10-03 16:48:18 <BlueMatt> and considering headers-first is getting very close, rc should not be far away
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734 2014-10-03 16:55:04 <BlueMatt> cfields: what is required on the build-system front to make that happen?
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738 2014-10-03 17:00:06 <sipa> BlueMatt: can i haz ACK on 4890?
739 2014-10-03 17:00:31 <BlueMatt> sipa: thats #2 on review list atm
740 2014-10-03 17:00:36 <BlueMatt> (headers-first now)
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752 2014-10-03 17:20:40 <netg> is there an monero-testnet now?
753 2014-10-03 17:20:46 <netg> fuck sorry, sorry, sorry
754 2014-10-03 17:20:51 <netg> wrong channel
755 2014-10-03 17:20:54 <sipa> :)
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797 2014-10-03 18:16:46 <cfields> BlueMatt: i'm working on that with the deps reductions PRs
798 2014-10-03 18:18:44 <BlueMatt> cfields: ahh, missed that that one was yours (I try to ignore who originated a pull for review)
799 2014-10-03 18:19:02 <cfields> BlueMatt: if we can manage to rip out the core deps, the lib process becomes lots easier
800 2014-10-03 18:19:11 <cfields> so i'm working on it from that angle first
801 2014-10-03 18:19:26 <BlueMatt> cfields: in any case, what is required on the build system front itself (ie getting windows to build a dll, etc, etc)
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806 2014-10-03 18:22:14 <cfields> BlueMatt: if it can be built without core deps, it doesn't necessarily need build-system integration
807 2014-10-03 18:22:31 <cfields> not that that's the best way forward ofc, but it creates that option
808 2014-10-03 18:23:58 <BlueMatt> true, but it doesnt make a good case for other clients to integrate it if its not "official"
809 2014-10-03 18:24:14 <sipa> cfields: how do you mean without core deps?
810 2014-10-03 18:24:14 <BlueMatt> and with 0.10 Id like to be able to go to other implementations and beat them over the head to use it :)
811 2014-10-03 18:24:23 <sipa> it will at least depend on script/interpreter...
812 2014-10-03 18:24:43 <sipa> oh, you mean without external dependencies?
813 2014-10-03 18:24:53 <sipa> for now it will inevitably depend on openssl for signature checking
814 2014-10-03 18:25:29 <cfields> sipa: no, i mean without depending on core structures at all
815 2014-10-03 18:25:45 <sipa> that makes no sense
816 2014-10-03 18:26:00 <sipa> it needs CScript, CTransaction, CTxIn, CTxOut, ...
817 2014-10-03 18:26:22 <cfields> sipa: CScript no longer depends on core structures..
818 2014-10-03 18:26:27 <cfields> (after that PR)
819 2014-10-03 18:26:35 <sipa> the script interpreter itself can be made independent from core datastructures
820 2014-10-03 18:26:43 <sipa> but actual bitcoin transaction checking still does
821 2014-10-03 18:26:52 <sipa> which is what we want the library to expose, afaik?
822 2014-10-03 18:27:10 <sipa> i don't want users of the library to need to go implement transaction serialization themselves
823 2014-10-03 18:27:17 <cfields> sipa: yes, that's what I was trying to say, i suppose
824 2014-10-03 18:27:44 <sipa> i'm wholly in favor of making script verification _code_ independent from core data structures
825 2014-10-03 18:27:59 <sipa> but the library will still use it
826 2014-10-03 18:28:15 <sipa> so i don't see how dependency reduction is relevant to the library
827 2014-10-03 18:28:55 <sipa> as in: sighash implementation is consensus critical (and tricky), so i want it to be part of it
828 2014-10-03 18:29:45 <sipa> making core data structures themselves more lean and modular so that depending on them pulls less code and less external libraries is also a perfect idea
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835 2014-10-03 18:35:31 <cfields> sipa: well, i had still been hoping to continue moving dependencies the other way, so that core and lib could both depend on the same implementation, rather than both depending on deep core structures
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837 2014-10-03 18:36:03 <sipa> cfields: i don't understand
838 2014-10-03 18:36:44 <sipa> ideally, we have 1) core data structures 2) validation logic 3) script implementation 4) wallet stuff
839 2014-10-03 18:36:54 <sipa> the lib would be 1+3
840 2014-10-03 18:37:06 <sipa> bitcoind would be 1+2+3
841 2014-10-03 18:37:15 <sipa> wallet would be 1+3+4
842 2014-10-03 18:37:46 <sipa> in practice, things are more complicated of course, because core data structures currently depends on stuff that is unnecessary in script
843 2014-10-03 18:37:54 <sipa> which just means we need to modularize further
844 2014-10-03 18:38:03 <sipa> which i guess is what you're saying
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855 2014-10-03 18:45:57 <cfields> sorry, stupid dog
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857 2014-10-03 18:46:55 <cfields> sipa: there's a good chance it makes no sense, then
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861 2014-10-03 18:47:54 <sipa> cfields: what i mean is that imho the library should be a "bitcoin transaction script validation library", not a "script evaluation library"
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864 2014-10-03 18:49:46 <cfields> sipa: i had imagined breaking out a few base structures as abstractions, which library users would be required to reimplement
865 2014-10-03 18:50:04 <cfields> much like you did with the sigcache
866 2014-10-03 18:50:11 <sipa> yes, for optional parts
867 2014-10-03 18:50:15 <sipa> not for consensus critical stuff
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870 2014-10-03 18:51:17 <cfields> well, even those could be implemented as part of the lib which core also uses, but i suppose serialization is too tightly integrated to let that work
871 2014-10-03 18:51:42 <sipa> cfields: i'm making a distinctions between implementation dependencies and library dependencies
872 2014-10-03 18:52:05 <sipa> script/interpreter.{h,cpp} should absolutely have as little dependencies as possible (see 4890 and your work)
873 2014-10-03 18:52:20 <sipa> but that doesn't mean that the finished library should just be script/interpreter.{h,cpp}
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876 2014-10-03 18:54:45 <cfields> ok, then yes, that's the point of contention.
877 2014-10-03 18:56:43 <cfields> (was). i understand your point now.
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881 2014-10-03 19:02:09 <davec> While I do think the script libary is overall a decent idea, it really doesn't address the fundamental issues in the long run. For that, there needs to be distributed, multi-implementation consensus. Claiming otherwise is being very short sighted in my opinion.
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883 2014-10-03 19:02:41 <davec> I'm glad to see work happening to modularize the logic out regardless though
884 2014-10-03 19:02:49 <sipa> davec: claiming multi-implementation can be consistent is naive, imho :)
885 2014-10-03 19:03:29 <sipa> that's not a criticism on the capabilities on people reimplementing things, just the state of the art at this point
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887 2014-10-03 19:03:46 <sipa> we've seen too many examples in incredibly subtle places
888 2014-10-03 19:04:08 <cfields> after redoing the scriptnum stuff, agreed. and i'm sure that's minute in the grand scheme
889 2014-10-03 19:04:10 <davec> It will be difficult and require additional infrastructure that isn't well established and/or built yet
890 2014-10-03 19:04:32 <sipa> which is why i'm very much in favor of multiple implelemntations of pretty much everything in the bitcoin ecosystem
891 2014-10-03 19:04:39 <sipa> except consensus critical parts
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893 2014-10-03 19:05:00 <davec> aye, I don't disagree the currently it's close to impossible
894 2014-10-03 19:05:31 <davec> s/the/that
895 2014-10-03 19:06:10 <sipa> but the current claim we're making "noooo don't do a full reimplementation, it will be inconsistent!" is obviously non-satisfactory to people who want to do interesting things
896 2014-10-03 19:06:24 <davec> However, a library alone doesn't really solve the issue either. I mean we could easily have a case where a refactor hits one of those hidden cases
897 2014-10-03 19:06:55 <sipa> so i want at least to have the trickiest part (script evaluation) with no non-consensus policy associated with it available
898 2014-10-03 19:07:03 <davec> nobody notices for a while, then at some point a new transaction type is added, or a non-standard transaction is mined which is handled differently between the code before and after the refactor
899 2014-10-03 19:07:23 <sipa> in a reusable library
900 2014-10-03 19:07:39 <sipa> davec: well, yes, obviously a script evaluation library won't cover all of the consensus critical code
901 2014-10-03 19:07:56 <sipa> but i think it will at least reduce the risk pretty massively
902 2014-10-03 19:08:00 <lechuga_> agreed
903 2014-10-03 19:08:05 <davec> aye, please don't take my comments as disparaging the work. I do think it's a good step and am excited to see the logic more modularized.
904 2014-10-03 19:09:00 <sipa> i don't disagree either
905 2014-10-03 19:09:15 <sipa> but i would really encourage you to use such a library if we'd make it available
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907 2014-10-03 19:13:13 <dhill> how much of a pain to make script not depend on boost?
908 2014-10-03 19:13:22 <sipa> very doable, imho
909 2014-10-03 19:13:27 <davec> I think I mentioned it in here before that I'm not opposed to having a build tag which pulls it in
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911 2014-10-03 19:13:55 <dhill> i think btcd will attempt to use it at least for testing to start with
912 2014-10-03 19:14:06 <sipa> dhill: cool, good to know
913 2014-10-03 19:14:09 <dhill> it would be nice if boost depend went away
914 2014-10-03 19:14:31 <sipa> the plan for the script library is to have as little dependencies as possible, and be thread-agnostic
915 2014-10-03 19:14:39 <cfields> sipa: i'd be happy to drop the core deps goal and do boost instead, then
916 2014-10-03 19:14:49 <davec> there are some cases where it wouldn't work though like GAE since it would require cgo and unsafe, both or which are disallowed there
917 2014-10-03 19:14:58 <cfields> i really want that gone, and it seems everyone agrees for once :)
918 2014-10-03 19:14:59 <Luke-Jr> boost::bcscript
919 2014-10-03 19:15:01 <Luke-Jr> <.<
920 2014-10-03 19:15:06 <lechuga_> lol
921 2014-10-03 19:15:11 <sipa> davec: however we can't get rid of openssl for now
922 2014-10-03 19:15:12 <dhill> BOOST_FOREACH is all i see in script?
923 2014-10-03 19:15:25 <sipa> yeah, i think it's trivial after getting the caching out
924 2014-10-03 19:15:31 <sipa> which depends on threading, which uses boost
925 2014-10-03 19:15:50 <cfields> oh, maybe we're done then? :)
926 2014-10-03 19:16:02 <lechuga_> boost:bcscript kind of an awesome idea
927 2014-10-03 19:16:08 <sipa> davec: sounds like GAE is just a bad choice for consensus critical things in general then :(
928 2014-10-03 19:16:08 <lechuga_> ::
929 2014-10-03 19:16:14 <sipa> that's pretty unfortunate
930 2014-10-03 19:17:05 <rfreeman_w> boost::coin<bitcoin>::node n;
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933 2014-10-03 19:19:54 <lechuga_> now i have to lie about my user-agent to get through BlueMatt's tests in a reasonable amount of time :/
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935 2014-10-03 19:21:49 <lechuga_> nm just an additional 30s
936 2014-10-03 19:21:50 <BlueMatt> lechuga_: yes, that is on purpose
937 2014-10-03 19:22:03 <lechuga_> yeah it doesn't look like an accident :)
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939 2014-10-03 19:24:40 <lechuga_> maybe a more comprehensive regression suite for use by any impl should be a priority
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941 2014-10-03 19:24:57 <lechuga_> (not implying that should be the responsibility of bitcoin core)
942 2014-10-03 19:25:03 <BlueMatt> clearly it didnt work...did you read the message?
943 2014-10-03 19:25:09 <lechuga_> skimmed it
944 2014-10-03 19:25:10 <davec> lechuga_: just do what I did and recompile it without that childish behavior
945 2014-10-03 19:25:13 <BlueMatt> the priority should be making a shared library
946 2014-10-03 19:25:25 <BlueMatt> then its no big deal :)
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948 2014-10-03 19:25:42 <lechuga_> im for a shared library
949 2014-10-03 19:26:01 <lechuga_> but also think a real standard cross-impl regression suite may have value
950 2014-10-03 19:26:21 <BlueMatt> its probably not reasonable to get a non-script shared library used by everyone
951 2014-10-03 19:26:36 <BlueMatt> and luckily a lot of that stuff can be rather well-tested by a regression suite
952 2014-10-03 19:26:43 <BlueMatt> (in fact the current one isnt too bad at that)
953 2014-10-03 19:26:53 <BlueMatt> but the script stuff needs 100% to be a shared library that everyone uses
954 2014-10-03 19:26:58 <BlueMatt> there is simply no other way to do it right
955 2014-10-03 19:27:13 <BlueMatt> (short of strong static analysis)
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974 2014-10-03 19:43:46 <cfields> BlueMatt: so to answer your question from way back, i'll shift focus back to the shared lib once boost is removed
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976 2014-10-03 19:43:57 <BlueMatt> cfields: ahh, ok, thanks
977 2014-10-03 19:43:58 <cfields> i'll work on that part first
978 2014-10-03 19:44:29 <cfields> boost can be especially tricky since in many cases you need to build your code with the same options boost was built with
979 2014-10-03 19:44:50 <cfields> otherwise it can lead to some very non-obvious problems. So i'd rather just skip those problems entirely
980 2014-10-03 19:46:10 <Luke-Jr> cfields: can we get Travis doing a build on a non-BASH system to avoid bashisms getting reintroduced?
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982 2014-10-03 19:47:01 <Luke-Jr> not sure how easy that is to do on Ubuntu - maybe just a ln -sf dash /bin/sh
983 2014-10-03 19:47:06 <cfields> Luke-Jr: we don't have much of a choice there, but we could switch shells before building i suppose?
984 2014-10-03 19:47:38 <Luke-Jr> cfields: I think configure explicitly uses /bin/sh, so we need to change that link somehow at least
985 2014-10-03 19:47:40 <cfields> Luke-Jr: yea, there's an update-alternatives thing, but i'm not sure if that affects the current shell or not
986 2014-10-03 19:47:58 <Luke-Jr> current shell maybe not as important - it's just doing stuff we tell it to anyway
987 2014-10-03 19:48:41 <cfields> Luke-Jr: pretty sure dash is default in ubuntu anyway, these days?
988 2014-10-03 19:48:56 <Luke-Jr> cfields: apparently not, since our configure fails horrifically in dash :/
989 2014-10-03 19:49:00 <Luke-Jr> even for 0.9.3
990 2014-10-03 19:49:31 <cfields> cory@cory-i7:~/dev/bitcoin(0.9.3)$ ls -al /bin/sh
991 2014-10-03 19:49:31 <cfields> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jul 3 2013 /bin/sh -> dash
992 2014-10-03 19:49:43 <Luke-Jr> hmm
993 2014-10-03 19:49:50 <cfields> i just happened to be building there at the moment :)
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995 2014-10-03 19:50:16 <Luke-Jr> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524332
996 2014-10-03 19:51:05 <cfields> Luke-Jr: i hacked autotools together from this machine...
997 2014-10-03 19:51:32 <cfields> not saying it's not true, just not seeing the discrepancy
998 2014-10-03 19:51:49 <Luke-Jr> I wonder if Ubuntu is patching dash to support bashisms :|
999 2014-10-03 19:52:21 <cfields> that sounds likely
1000 2014-10-03 19:53:03 <cfields> sec, seeing if i can find somewhere to turn that on/off
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1004 2014-10-03 19:58:06 <cfields> Luke-Jr: mm, looks like my interactive shell is bash
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1014 2014-10-03 20:03:52 <cfields> Luke-Jr: now i'm thoroughly confused. i can get my shell to complain, but configure works fine even with dash hard-coded
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1017 2014-10-03 20:04:52 <cfields> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=M6BfUscR
1018 2014-10-03 20:05:11 <cfields> ^^as expected
1019 2014-10-03 20:07:05 <Luke-Jr> what if you do it on a system without bash? maybe dash is calling bash if it fails in some cases
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1022 2014-10-03 20:08:34 <cfields> yea, looks like that's what's happening
1023 2014-10-03 20:08:58 <cfields> so i suppose there's some crazy system where bash is a link to dash?
1024 2014-10-03 20:09:16 <Luke-Jr> doubt it, more likely just a dash-only
1025 2014-10-03 20:10:12 <cfields> tons of scripts use #! /bin/bash (as-is the correct thing to do if you rely on bash)
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1027 2014-10-03 20:10:29 <cfields> so it's hard to imagine that a system could run without /bin/bash
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1031 2014-10-03 20:10:49 <cfields> Luke-Jr: either way, i agree that it's worth fixing and trying to test
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1035 2014-10-03 20:12:48 <cfields> there we go: CONFIG_SHELL=dash ./configure
1036 2014-10-03 20:13:17 <Luke-Jr> O.o
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1039 2014-10-03 20:13:48 <Luke-Jr> aha
1040 2014-10-03 20:13:51 <Luke-Jr> configure relaunches itself XD
1041 2014-10-03 20:14:01 <cfields> yea
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1070 2014-10-03 21:10:33 <Gnosis> is it bad practice for new code to use exceptions? I noticed a lot of errors are signaled in the C way (returning false, or a special value like NULL)
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1090 2014-10-03 21:41:38 <sipa> Gnosis: C does not have exceptions
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1100 2014-10-03 21:51:02 <Luke-Jr> sipa: I think he means Bitcoin Core
1101 2014-10-03 21:51:11 <Luke-Jr> ie, is he okay using exceptions in PRs
1102 2014-10-03 21:51:21 <Luke-Jr> I don't see a problem with it, but I dunno how anyone else feels
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1147 2014-10-03 22:50:06 <Gnosis> Luke-Jr: yeah, that is what I meant; I'll use exceptions in PRs I create until somebody objects. Thanks!
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