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 201 2014-10-08 03:59:08 <webdeli> If I sell a sell a bitcoin and attach a right to it... can that right be forever tracked or does mixing effectively stop the tracking of a specific set of Satoshis?
 202 2014-10-08 03:59:55 <webdeli> An answer pointing to a wikipage / whitpaper / github repo etc is a perfectly adequate answer.
 203 2014-10-08 04:00:15 <webdeli> Assume I have a medium level of knowlege already.
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 205 2014-10-08 04:00:47 <copumpkin> "a specific set of satoshis"
 206 2014-10-08 04:00:56 <legendary> with mixing you wouldnt know who some of the bitcoins went to
 207 2014-10-08 04:01:07 <legendary> new outputs would be created
 208 2014-10-08 04:01:26 <legendary> some would go to one guy
 209 2014-10-08 04:01:27 <legendary> some to another
 210 2014-10-08 04:01:29 <copumpkin> there's no such thing as a specific set of satoshis, unless I'm misunderstanding you
 211 2014-10-08 04:02:08 <sipa> webdeli: you may want to look up 'colored coins'
 212 2014-10-08 04:03:15 <webdeli> ok.. I have heard it referred to.. what's the underlying mechanic for colored coins in a sentence?
 213 2014-10-08 04:03:30 <sipa> but you have to realize that every transactions *destroys* the input coins and creates new ones... you can define your own rules about how particular extra properties of particular coins get tracked through to the new coins when being spent, if you write the software for doing so, and all others users of coins with such properties do so too
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 215 2014-10-08 04:04:27 <sipa> in a way, every bitcoin transaction perform mixing
 216 2014-10-08 04:04:41 <webdeli> Can a coin be 'desaturated' of colour by intent or mistake? .. or ... Does the fundamental mechanics of the distributed ledger make in always 100% possible to track and trace the specific satoshis to which a right attaches, regardless of thier flow through time?
 217 2014-10-08 04:05:10 <webdeli> Background here is twofold:
 218 2014-10-08 04:05:40 <webdeli> One rights attachment as a my enquiry..
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 220 2014-10-08 04:06:13 <sipa> webdeli: read my sentence again
 221 2014-10-08 04:06:21 <webdeli> Two... curious to know how real the spector of future adversarial green flag / red flagged satoshis is.
 222 2014-10-08 04:06:26 <sipa> every transaction *destroys* the original coins
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 224 2014-10-08 04:06:42 <copumpkin> coins don't really have an identity to begin with
 225 2014-10-08 04:06:42 <sipa> you can define your own rule for whatever you want to track and how it is inherited
 226 2014-10-08 04:06:49 <copumpkin> the name is somewhat misleading
 227 2014-10-08 04:06:51 <webdeli> sipa: the colored coins or the every transaction is mixing one?
 228 2014-10-08 04:07:23 <sipa> webdeli: first learn how bitcoin transactions work please
 229 2014-10-08 04:07:51 <webdeli> ok ok ok.. I will.
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 231 2014-10-08 04:08:07 <webdeli> Andreas' book is still a few days away.
 232 2014-10-08 04:08:15 <webdeli> And the wiki scratches my eyeballs.
 233 2014-10-08 04:08:16 <sipa> don't read it
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 235 2014-10-08 04:08:33 <sipa> the book seems to be wrong in any ways
 236 2014-10-08 04:08:34 <webdeli> But ill get over myself and get the hard yards done inspite of the hurdles.
 237 2014-10-08 04:08:49 <sipa> start by reading the developer documentation on bitcoin.org
 238 2014-10-08 04:08:59 <sipa> *many
 239 2014-10-08 04:09:23 <webdeli> sipa: roger that.... opportunity come dressed in overalls looking like hard work. I get it. Stop short-cutting.
 240 2014-10-08 04:09:30 <webdeli> I will. Thank you so much.
 241 2014-10-08 04:09:40 <sipa> feel free to ask specific questions here
 242 2014-10-08 04:10:54 <webdeli> If I sell you a bitcoin - can I tract it's satoshi's forever and offer a redemeable right to the holder of any satoshi through time.
 243 2014-10-08 04:11:31 <copumpkin> [23:59:06]  <copumpkin>	 coins don't really have an identity to begin with
 244 2014-10-08 04:11:37 <copumpkin> [23:59:13]  <copumpkin>	 the name is somewhat misleading
 245 2014-10-08 04:11:38 <webdeli> Can I as the seller alway tally the satoshi through time to know at any time in the future how many satoshis with the right attached to them could be redemmed.
 246 2014-10-08 04:12:21 <webdeli> ok.... then to understand that better (coins have no identity)  I need to go back to dev docs.
 247 2014-10-08 04:12:21 <sipa> webdeli: the short answer is no
 248 2014-10-08 04:12:29 <sipa> the longer answer is maybe
 249 2014-10-08 04:12:31 <webdeli> sipa: thank you.
 250 2014-10-08 04:12:38 <webdeli> I appreciate that.
 251 2014-10-08 04:12:45 <sipa> but to understand, please learn how bitcoin transactions work
 252 2014-10-08 04:13:12 <webdeli> I will do just that. again - sincerely thankyou for the quick response.
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 258 2014-10-08 04:25:59 <kgreenek> is there any way to create a transaction where the recipient can specify a value up to, but not more than a certain amount?
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 263 2014-10-08 04:28:07 <sipa> kgreenek: ?
 264 2014-10-08 04:28:08 <kgreenek> er, that would probably require more than one transaction.
 265 2014-10-08 04:28:26 <sipa> the receiver specifying the value?
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 267 2014-10-08 04:28:30 <kgreenek> something like, first send to a 2-of-2 like in a micropayment channel
 268 2014-10-08 04:28:36 <kgreenek> yeah
 269 2014-10-08 04:29:01 <kgreenek> I'm trying to figure out a way to design something like a credit card auth/capture/settle
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 271 2014-10-08 04:29:26 <sipa> the receiver can always send a bunch back...
 272 2014-10-08 04:29:49 <kgreenek> yeah I guess that would work lol. just makes the accounting weird. and taxes..
 273 2014-10-08 04:30:08 <sipa> don't confuse bitcoin transactions with payments
 274 2014-10-08 04:30:20 <sipa> your accounting does not track individual dollar bills
 275 2014-10-08 04:30:33 <sipa> nor should it concern itself with individual bitcoin transactions
 276 2014-10-08 04:30:34 <kgreenek> true
 277 2014-10-08 04:31:12 <kgreenek> the wallet couldn't tell which transaction was the refund though.
 278 2014-10-08 04:31:23 <kgreenek> so the ui for a wallet would look confusing for something like that
 279 2014-10-08 04:31:31 <kgreenek> i.e. think of filling up gas at a pump
 280 2014-10-08 04:31:36 <kgreenek> first they auth something like $100
 281 2014-10-08 04:31:44 <kgreenek> then settle for the actual amount at the end
 282 2014-10-08 04:32:22 <kgreenek> on your credit card account, the first $100 transaction goes away after the transaction settles
 283 2014-10-08 04:34:43 <phantomcircuit> kgreenek, micropayment channel combined with a refund of the difference is the correct way to do that i believe
 284 2014-10-08 04:34:58 <phantomcircuit> the key incite is that the "auth" is the same as a charge + refund in reality
 285 2014-10-08 04:35:34 <kgreenek> hmm how would that refund work, combined with a micropayment channel
 286 2014-10-08 04:35:52 <kgreenek> so first the user and merchant lock up funds in a 2-of-2
 287 2014-10-08 04:36:17 <kgreenek> and the user has a refund transaction that is signed by the merchant for the full amount. but it has some nlocktime (24 hours)
 288 2014-10-08 04:36:31 <kgreenek> now the micropayment channel is open for 24 hours
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 291 2014-10-08 04:38:32 <phantomcircuit> something like that
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 293 2014-10-08 04:43:25 <kgreenek> hmm but then how can the merchant settle for an arbitrary amount later.
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 295 2014-10-08 04:46:05 <phantomcircuit> kgreenek, there is a much easier way
 296 2014-10-08 04:46:19 <phantomcircuit> which is basically exactly identical to how the auth with a card works
 297 2014-10-08 04:46:30 <phantomcircuit> the customer simply pays the merchant the full amount
 298 2014-10-08 04:46:35 <phantomcircuit> then the merchant does a refund
 299 2014-10-08 04:46:45 <kgreenek> yeah I can't think of a better way
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 301 2014-10-08 04:47:03 <kgreenek> the only drawback with that is that if the merchant goes offline, then you end up losing the full amount
 302 2014-10-08 04:47:25 <phantomcircuit> with bitcoin you can prevent one issue there which is the merchant's system dies and never does the refund with nlocktime stuff
 303 2014-10-08 04:47:46 <phantomcircuit> but that is probably only a marginal improvement in 99.999% of use cases
 304 2014-10-08 04:47:58 <kgreenek> yeah true
 305 2014-10-08 04:48:30 <kgreenek> so the accounting would get weird in the wallet with this. it would be nice if the wallet could associate the refund to the original transaction somehow, to show only the final amount
 306 2014-10-08 04:49:01 <kgreenek> payment protocol?
 307 2014-10-08 04:49:54 <kgreenek> oh there we go. the user provides a refund address in the Payment message in response to a PaymentRequest
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 309 2014-10-08 04:50:47 <kgreenek> so if your wallet is generating a new address for every payment, if it sees a refund sent to the refund address, it knows that it's uniquely associated with that one payment.
 310 2014-10-08 04:51:10 <kgreenek> and could display it as if it were "settling" the previous transaction.
 311 2014-10-08 04:51:21 <kgreenek> does that make sense?
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 313 2014-10-08 04:53:34 <phantomcircuit> kgreenek, yup
 314 2014-10-08 04:54:11 <kgreenek> kind of changes the symantics of that refund address. but as far as I know it's not widely used today.
 315 2014-10-08 04:54:15 <kgreenek> cool :)
 316 2014-10-08 04:54:53 <kgreenek> semantics*
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 345 2014-10-08 05:36:34 <webdeli> sipa: Are you a contrib to bitcoin ref client?
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 348 2014-10-08 05:39:25 <BlueMatt> webdeli: dont ask to ask, just ask
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 350 2014-10-08 05:40:02 <BlueMatt> (unless its security-sensitive, then email bitcoin-security@lists.sourceforge.net)
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 353 2014-10-08 05:40:32 <webdeli> Ah..ok - sipa - what is your github username so I can go blame the sourcecode for your commits.
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 356 2014-10-08 05:41:03 <webdeli> Extending out of my intention to go away and learn as per your earlier advice.
 357 2014-10-08 05:41:06 <BlueMatt> tried sipa?
 358 2014-10-08 05:41:22 <BlueMatt> (sipa's github/irc is the same)
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 370 2014-10-08 05:52:10 <webdeli> Ah... only 375 commits (Like 4th most) what does Sipa know about bitcoin... (so kidding).
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 372 2014-10-08 05:52:33 <webdeli> So... yeah... thank you again Sipa for earlier response / advice.
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 411 2014-10-08 06:50:02 <moio> hi - I am currently using ChromaWallet (http://chromawallet.com/) on testnet and I get 500 errors. Is TestNet experiencing problems currently?
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 413 2014-10-08 06:51:00 <BlueMatt> if chromawallet is having problems, chromawallet is the source of the problems
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 415 2014-10-08 06:51:19 <BlueMatt> ofc they could be unrelated to mainnet, but still
 416 2014-10-08 06:51:41 <moio> BlueMatt, http://faucet.xeno-genesis.com/ is also down, and chromawallet works fine on mainnet, that's why I am asking
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 445 2014-10-08 07:29:17 <wumpus> sipa: hmm did you see my comment here https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5057#issuecomment-58316716   ; I think it makes sense to run the "Recursively process..." loop for known blocks, just in case there are still some unprocessed successors in mapBlocksUnknownParent, this is more robust in case of interruptions
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 465 2014-10-08 07:43:51 <sipa> wumpus: yes, i think you're right
 466 2014-10-08 07:43:55 <sipa> i'll fix it
 467 2014-10-08 07:43:58 <wumpus> ok thanks
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 475 2014-10-08 07:51:02 <BlueMatt> sipa, wumpus: so....headers first today? :)
 476 2014-10-08 07:51:19 <wumpus> ACK
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 482 2014-10-08 07:53:59 <wumpus> it's hard to believe :)
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 486 2014-10-08 08:00:42 <sipa> wumpus: i also believe you' re right that SetPos can' t seek forward
 487 2014-10-08 08:00:50 <sipa> fixing ythat too
 488 2014-10-08 08:01:06 <sipa> BlueMatt: running my ssh server on port 2222 makes it reachable from hotel wifi
 489 2014-10-08 08:01:13 <sipa> which, despite that, still sucks
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 499 2014-10-08 08:06:19 <sipa> wumpus: pushed a new version, though i can't test currnetly
 500 2014-10-08 08:06:51 <sipa> it really just deserializes every block now, but skips the ones already processed
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 577 2014-10-08 09:47:32 <moio> guys, does anyone have an idea on what this means? http://paste.lisp.org/display/143963 (bitcoind 0.9.3 here)
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 587 2014-10-08 09:58:20 <phantomcircuit> moio, something probably bad
 588 2014-10-08 09:58:32 <phantomcircuit> likely your hw is broken and doing weird things
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 590 2014-10-08 10:01:33 <wumpus> moio: does the sync continue after that?
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 592 2014-10-08 10:02:32 <wumpus> the main chain has 0000000000000000032292c6a4e00a367fc561e4502ccd17fde270bcf51368f7 and 00000000000000003e8f0f5e6f2b94bf37ea0ce03a779bfa03981723e69d1691 as blocks 299039 and 299040, so it correctly sees that as a fork
 593 2014-10-08 10:02:43 <moio> wumpus, yes but the server got in safe mode
 594 2014-10-08 10:04:22 <moio> wumpus, should I redownload the chain and swap it?
 595 2014-10-08 10:04:25 <wumpus> no
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 598 2014-10-08 10:04:39 <wumpus> as I see it, nothing is wrong
 599 2014-10-08 10:04:51 <wumpus> you just got a fork @ 299039 then continued on the main chain
 600 2014-10-08 10:05:10 <wumpus> not sure why the client was put into safe mode, but you can safely exit it
 601 2014-10-08 10:05:18 <moio> what about the "Chain state database corruption likely." message?
 602 2014-10-08 10:05:37 <wumpus> well it happens that clients suddenly the main chain as a corrupted fork
 603 2014-10-08 10:05:37 <moio> note that safe mode is actually on testnet. Not sure if that makes any difference
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 605 2014-10-08 10:05:56 <wumpus> in that case it's database corruption
 606 2014-10-08 10:06:26 <moio> wumpus, ok. What should I do to clear the corruption
 607 2014-10-08 10:06:28 <moio> ?
 608 2014-10-08 10:06:28 <wumpus> nothing
 609 2014-10-08 10:06:44 <wumpus> it's fine, just continue
 610 2014-10-08 10:07:00 <moio> what about the safe mode? can I switch back to regular mode?
 611 2014-10-08 10:07:10 <wumpus> I think so. I already said that didn't I?
 612 2014-10-08 10:07:36 <moio> oh right. I did not read your sentence correctly, sorry
 613 2014-10-08 10:07:55 <wumpus> if it continues, and there are no errors while verifying along the main chain, it was wrongly put into safe mode
 614 2014-10-08 10:09:16 <moio> ok. I'll try and report back if I have further issues. Thanks for your help and patience, I am still a noob :-)
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 616 2014-10-08 10:11:23 <wumpus> well thanks for reporting it, it may be a bug
 617 2014-10-08 10:13:39 <wumpus> i think the safe mode is meant to be temporary
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 638 2014-10-08 10:34:30 <amtri> safe mode?
 639 2014-10-08 10:35:58 <hearn> Emcy: it used to
 640 2014-10-08 10:36:03 <hearn> probably it should once again
 641 2014-10-08 10:36:08 <hearn> (albeit, triggered in a different way)
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 643 2014-10-08 10:38:26 <wumpus> yes, it has a safe mode, it can be triggered by suspected database corruption or strange forking conditions
 644 2014-10-08 10:38:32 <Emcy> what was the purpose of safe mode
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 646 2014-10-08 10:39:05 <wumpus> mostly warning when conditions on the network are uncertain
 647 2014-10-08 10:40:36 <Emcy> hm why would you take that out
 648 2014-10-08 10:40:41 <wumpus> ie, making sure you don't send transactions when there is a large fork in progress
 649 2014-10-08 10:40:45 <wumpus> yes, why would you?
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 651 2014-10-08 10:41:45 <wumpus> I'm fairly sure it was never taken out, there was just a guy here who managed to trigger it with 0.9.3
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 653 2014-10-08 10:43:43 <hearn> the old safe mode was triggerable by a satoshi signed alert
 654 2014-10-08 10:43:46 <hearn> that was taken out
 655 2014-10-08 10:43:59 <wumpus> it's no longer triggerable by a signed alert
 656 2014-10-08 10:45:07 <hearn> right, i see, current safe mode disables all RPCs when strWarning != ""
 657 2014-10-08 10:46:01 <wumpus> it disables some RPCs, not all, just those with okSafeMode=false https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/rpcserver.cpp#L240
 658 2014-10-08 10:46:24 <wumpus> excluding the wallet, that's just send and signrawtransaction
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 660 2014-10-08 10:46:53 <hearn> and mining
 661 2014-10-08 10:47:01 <hearn> oh, no, oops
 662 2014-10-08 10:47:03 <hearn> read wrong column
 663 2014-10-08 10:47:15 <wumpus> disabling mining would be very bad :)
 664 2014-10-08 10:47:20 <hearn> yeah. perhaps mining should be made dependent on safe mode.
 665 2014-10-08 10:47:31 <hearn> well, if your node thinks its forked, maybe that's the best thing to do
 666 2014-10-08 10:47:48 <hearn> otherwise you are paying for electricity and paying pool payouts, but aren't going to get any block rewards
 667 2014-10-08 10:47:49 <wumpus> that makes it a serious DoS to trigger safe mode accidentally
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 669 2014-10-08 10:47:57 <wumpus> you could just halt big miners
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 671 2014-10-08 10:48:31 <wumpus> also - mining will be necessary to restore the network
 672 2014-10-08 10:48:49 <hearn> at the moment, *only* the fork warning triggers that. so to mount such a DoS you'd already need to be able to fork the chain quite deeply
 673 2014-10-08 10:49:07 <hearn> (72 blocks)
 674 2014-10-08 10:49:19 <wumpus> possibly, but believe me, stopping mining would have dangerous consequences, this discussion has been done before
 675 2014-10-08 10:49:21 <hearn> sure, of course, but then they can restart with -disablesafemode and carry on once they are fixed (most likely, upgraded)
 676 2014-10-08 10:49:51 <hearn> given how the code works, it's not possible for all mining to stop this way - some miners have to be on the other side of the fork
 677 2014-10-08 10:50:05 <hearn> it's only miners who have fallen hopelessly behind the chain head who would get this warning
 678 2014-10-08 10:50:19 <wumpus> you can't assume that always to be the case
 679 2014-10-08 10:50:38 <hearn> you mean if someone adds more cases to GetWarnings("rpc") in future?
 680 2014-10-08 10:50:40 <stonecoldpat> to be 72 blocks into a fork, seems a bit more worrying than triggering safe mode? (if this is what your talking about?)
 681 2014-10-08 10:50:41 <wumpus> miners can decide for themselves to stop if they detect safe mode
 682 2014-10-08 10:51:23 <Emcy> you took out satoshis alert?
 683 2014-10-08 10:51:30 <Emcy> alert key
 684 2014-10-08 10:51:38 <hearn> no. it was handed on to gavin and theymos, iirc
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 686 2014-10-08 10:51:44 <wumpus> and no, you don't need a 72-deep fork to trigger safe mode, the guy posting above had a 2-deep fork
 687 2014-10-08 10:51:51 <hearn> what was taken out was satoshis ability to stop the system with his signing key
 688 2014-10-08 10:52:08 <Emcy> ........he had that ability?
 689 2014-10-08 10:52:14 <Emcy> does anyone else?
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 691 2014-10-08 10:52:28 <wumpus> that has been removed a looong time ago
 692 2014-10-08 10:52:30 <hearn> yeah he did once. it was added after one of the disasters, possibly the overflow bug
 693 2014-10-08 10:53:15 <wumpus> nowadays the alert just pops up a warning (in the ui) and/or launches alertnotify so that people can take their own decision as to what to do with it
 694 2014-10-08 10:53:25 <hearn> wumpus: right, sorry, the code says 7 blocks within 72 of ours
 695 2014-10-08 10:53:47 <hearn> wumpus: not sure how he managed to get rpc safe mode after 2 blocks. there must be a code path i'm not seeing
 696 2014-10-08 10:54:09 <hearn> i wonder if it can be affected by a fork crossing a difficulty transition
 697 2014-10-08 10:54:22 <hearn> the "7 blocks" is tested in a slightly odd way, by multiplying block work
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1100 2014-10-08 16:58:34 <Taek42> reading "Bitcoin Developer Guide"
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1102 2014-10-08 16:58:48 <Taek42> I don't think it discusses the inflation rate at all
1103 2014-10-08 16:59:09 <Taek42> eg that the coinbase is 50 initially, and halves every 210,000 blocks
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1116 2014-10-08 17:12:17 <BlueMatt> wumpus/sipa: whats up with headers first?
1117 2014-10-08 17:12:42 <BlueMatt> looks like latest changes were tested?
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1125 2014-10-08 17:17:04 <gmaxwell> Taek42: subsidy is the word you want.
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1127 2014-10-08 17:18:08 <Taek42> thanks. Is there a reason that subsidy is not covered in the developer guide, or can it be considered a bug?
1128 2014-10-08 17:19:55 <Taek42> *subsidy is covered per-block, but they don't discuss the legal values for subsidies
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1139 2014-10-08 17:33:21 <wumpus> BlueMatt: yes, I have done a full reindex with them
1140 2014-10-08 17:33:54 <wumpus> and I'm running that code on two nodes
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1172 2014-10-08 18:07:23 <dfletcher> hi what is the second argument to the CTxIn constructor doing? (it's also called vout in createrawtransaction) ?
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1174 2014-10-08 18:08:19 <wumpus> vout is the output number
1175 2014-10-08 18:08:56 <dfletcher> ok what does that mean heh. the index in vout in the previous tx?
1176 2014-10-08 18:09:18 <wumpus> yes
1177 2014-10-08 18:09:25 <dfletcher> ahhh ok
1178 2014-10-08 18:09:35 <dfletcher> suspected that, wanted to be sure. thanks wumpus
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1190 2014-10-08 18:24:20 <sipa> Taek42: you're very welcome to improve it
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1235 2014-10-08 19:40:12 <Taek42> sipa I might submit an issue on github or something with some suggestions. Or even a PR.
1236 2014-10-08 19:40:19 <sipa> ok
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1271 2014-10-08 20:12:50 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: Bitcoin Core is far better than Electrum or Multibit, even for non-advanced users :x
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1273 2014-10-08 20:15:39 <helo> only not better for impatient users
1274 2014-10-08 20:16:08 <earlz> I thought bitcoin core was mostly worse for most use cases
1275 2014-10-08 20:16:21 <earlz> ie, not suitable for merchants, miners, etc
1276 2014-10-08 20:16:34 <earlz> s/suitable/ideal
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1278 2014-10-08 20:17:01 <helo> backups are more tricky, and it is a full (initially slow, and disk-hungry) node
1279 2014-10-08 20:17:12 <helo> the vast majority of users are not merchants or miners
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1281 2014-10-08 20:19:13 <earlz> bitcoincore isn't ideal for anyone
1282 2014-10-08 20:19:27 <earlz> it's just the reference is the general attitude I get from here heh
1283 2014-10-08 20:19:41 <pigeons> it may not be ideal, but its better than the alternatives
1284 2014-10-08 20:20:15 <helo> if you want to be sure you keep consensus with most of the network, your stuff should be wagged by bitcoin core.
1285 2014-10-08 20:20:53 <NewLiberty> I actually use it for most things, I use many different clients, but mostly core.
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1288 2014-10-08 20:29:42 <Luke-Jr> earlz: there are some non-ideal technical aspects, but the UI is great
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1290 2014-10-08 20:30:01 <Luke-Jr> especially compared to alternatives, as pigeons says
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1293 2014-10-08 20:32:15 <earlz> eh, maybe true
1294 2014-10-08 20:36:35 <phantomcircuit> helo, backups are not tricky unless you use the accounting built into the wallet
1295 2014-10-08 20:36:39 <phantomcircuit> which nobody should be using
1296 2014-10-08 20:36:48 <phantomcircuit> and i have argued should be removed entirely
1297 2014-10-08 20:37:15 <moa> creative accounting?
1298 2014-10-08 20:37:29 <helo> are you intentionally excluding such a large group with "nobody"?
1299 2014-10-08 20:37:41 <phantomcircuit> moa, it's effectively impossible to backup if you use the internal accounting system
1300 2014-10-08 20:37:59 <moa> account labelling you mean?
1301 2014-10-08 20:38:01 <helo> oh, the accounts. yeah...
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1303 2014-10-08 20:39:32 <phantomcircuit> helo, im saying that anybody using the accounting system built into the bitcoin core wallet is doing something almost certainly stupid
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1306 2014-10-08 20:39:49 <moa> ouch
1307 2014-10-08 20:39:54 <phantomcircuit> with the very limited exception of a few people using them for unimportant things who understand exactly how they work
1308 2014-10-08 20:40:02 <phantomcircuit> which is probably a set that includes only gmaxwell
1309 2014-10-08 20:40:29 <earlz> getinfo/balance is reliable though right?
1310 2014-10-08 20:41:35 <phantomcircuit> earlz, getbalance takes an account parameter
1311 2014-10-08 20:41:42 <phantomcircuit> if "*" is specified then it is
1312 2014-10-08 20:41:54 <phantomcircuit> otherwise you would need to enumerate the accounts listed
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1316 2014-10-08 20:52:24 <midnightmagic> pretty much the only useful scripting interface is listunspent/get/decode/createrawransaction
1317 2014-10-08 20:52:40 <midnightmagic> getinfo in my case disagreed with listunspent at one point
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1321 2014-10-08 21:01:14 <petertodd> gavinandresen: pong
1322 2014-10-08 21:02:15 <gavinandresen> petertodd: see the last comment at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5000#comments
1323 2014-10-08 21:03:19 <petertodd> gavinandresen: I'm in vegas right now; getting back tomorrow
1324 2014-10-08 21:03:29 <gavinandresen> petertodd: ok, no hurry
1325 2014-10-08 21:03:49 <petertodd> gavinandresen: that said, if you want me to agree to something I'll regret, now's your chance...
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1330 2014-10-08 21:05:29 <phantomcircuit> midnightmagic, sendmany/sendtoaddress are super useful unless you're doing something weird
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1335 2014-10-08 21:05:57 <btcdrak> oooh, petertodd sounds like he's had a few beers?!
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1345 2014-10-08 21:07:19 <sipa> gavinandresen: #5000 is not about OPNOPs inside a redeemscript - there is no requirememt even that the language jas anything in common with our current scripting language
1346 2014-10-08 21:07:28 <petertodd> btcdrak: brock throws some wild parties: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UfOP5QpdUE
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1349 2014-10-08 21:08:10 <sipa> gavinandresen: i think
1350 2014-10-08 21:08:19 <sipa> petertodd: correct me if i'm wrong
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1352 2014-10-08 21:08:37 <petertodd> sipa: "language jas anything in common" ?
1353 2014-10-08 21:08:44 <sipa> has
1354 2014-10-08 21:08:57 <phantomcircuit> words
1355 2014-10-08 21:08:58 <petertodd> sipa: oh, you mean like how a future scripting v2 could be 100% different?
1356 2014-10-08 21:09:05 <sipa> yes
1357 2014-10-08 21:09:19 <gavinandresen> sipa: sure.  I’m just don’t see how “blacklisting” the NOPs has any advantage over using script.nVersion and block.nVersion to make upgrades smooth.
1358 2014-10-08 21:09:37 <petertodd> sipa: right, and a future v2 is likely going to be implemented with s/OP_NOP3/OP_MAST/ and a bunch of pushdata's executed as code
1359 2014-10-08 21:09:52 <sipa> if i have my way, yes :)
1360 2014-10-08 21:09:59 <petertodd> gavinandresen: did you see my mailing list post on why script.nVersion doesn't work for upgrades?
1361 2014-10-08 21:10:31 <gavinandresen> petertodd: http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg06247.html  <— that one?
1362 2014-10-08 21:10:53 <petertodd> gavinandresen: yah
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1364 2014-10-08 21:11:15 <gavinandresen> petertodd: yes. I think you’re missing:  Evaluate as a NOP if transaction.version < tx_version_required OR
1365 2014-10-08 21:11:15 <gavinandresen> block.version < block_version_required.
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1367 2014-10-08 21:11:48 <gavinandresen> … as “proper scheme for implementing an OP_NOP upgrade"
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1372 2014-10-08 21:12:41 <petertodd> gavinandresen: right, but that still lets miners spend the tx by putting it ina block with a lower nversion
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1374 2014-10-08 21:13:09 <gavinandresen> blocks with a lower nversion are not allowed after the soft fork is set
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1376 2014-10-08 21:13:28 <gavinandresen> … just like we’re at block.nversion=2 right now and are rejecting block.nversion=1...
1377 2014-10-08 21:13:35 <sipa> they are between the 75% and the 95% mark
1378 2014-10-08 21:14:14 <petertodd> gavinandresen: ^
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1380 2014-10-08 21:14:39 <petertodd> gavinandresen: equally, those nodes still running will be passing around invalid txs w/o a blacklist/rejectlist
1381 2014-10-08 21:14:43 <gavinandresen> mmm….  I don’t think I care about that case.
1382 2014-10-08 21:14:52 <sipa> it can be months
1383 2014-10-08 21:15:17 <sipa> i don't understand why we would not make things reserved for future upgrade nonstandard
1384 2014-10-08 21:15:26 <petertodd> also, it's not clear to me that banning old miners from producing nversion=2 blocks is a good idea anyway
1385 2014-10-08 21:15:43 <sipa> indeoendent of other reasons
1386 2014-10-08 21:15:48 <petertodd> this isn't a security upgrade, like the nversion=2 soft-fork
1387 2014-10-08 21:16:16 <sipa> 95% means forking off 5% of the network, by definition
1388 2014-10-08 21:16:23 <sipa> which is nit particularly nice
1389 2014-10-08 21:16:28 <sipa> *not
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1391 2014-10-08 21:16:38 <petertodd> sipa: you hungover too? :P
1392 2014-10-08 21:16:46 <sipa> no, phone typing
1393 2014-10-08 21:16:50 <petertodd> ha
1394 2014-10-08 21:17:26 <gavinandresen> I’m still missing something.
1395 2014-10-08 21:17:37 <gavinandresen> So we ‘blacklist’ the NOPs, making them non-standard.
1396 2014-10-08 21:18:32 <sipa> and unblacklist them once the softfork rule that gives them meaning has taken effect
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1399 2014-10-08 21:19:17 <gavinandresen> What stops a miner from putting a NOP in their block in the 75%-95% timeframe, that wouldn’t be prevented in the use-version-numbers case?
1400 2014-10-08 21:19:31 <gavinandresen> … in their block.version=1.....
1401 2014-10-08 21:20:10 <petertodd> gavinandresen: we're not trying to stop them, we're making sure that in the event of an upgrade they don't do something invalid accidentally
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1403 2014-10-08 21:20:50 <gavinandresen> petertodd: but we already do that with transaction.nversion number rules.
1404 2014-10-08 21:21:06 <petertodd> gavinandresen: and transaction.nVersion doesn't work
1405 2014-10-08 21:21:29 <gavinandresen> doesn’t work how?
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1407 2014-10-08 21:21:55 <petertodd> gavinandresen: what I said in my -dev mailing list post
1408 2014-10-08 21:21:59 <gavinandresen> sigh
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1410 2014-10-08 21:22:32 <petertodd> gavinandresen: look, I'm rather hungover right now, not the best time ot have a subtle tech discussion
1411 2014-10-08 21:22:50 <gavinandresen> like I said, no hurry.
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1414 2014-10-08 21:24:46 <petertodd> gavinandresen: yup
1415 2014-10-08 21:25:50 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: it's basically protecting miners from having to update for some softforks ever; hopefully unnecessary, but it seems a reasonable precaution
1416 2014-10-08 21:26:19 <Luke-Jr> although the block version prob breaks those miners anyway
1417 2014-10-08 21:26:27 <Luke-Jr> but at least it's broken in a sensible way ;)
1418 2014-10-08 21:27:33 <gavinandresen> Sure, it might be reasonable belt-and-suspenders… except that has to balance against adding more code complexity.
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1421 2014-10-08 21:28:48 <kanzure> "On that basis alone I think the question ought to be why should we use transaction version numbers to enable new opcodes rather than just enabling them globally based on block version numbers."
1422 2014-10-08 21:28:54 <kanzure> i might be misremembering
1423 2014-10-08 21:29:00 <Luke-Jr> gavinandresen: another way to think of it: it would be nice to reduce complexity after softforks by removing the block version test; if only miners can mine NOP1 under the old rules and none do, we can do that
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1425 2014-10-08 21:29:25 <gavinandresen> Luke-Jr: that’s a good argument.
1426 2014-10-08 21:29:29 <sipa> if you use the 75-95 rule, and require tx version + block version, you basically can only use the new opcode in wallet code once the 95% mark passes, because old miners will just accept your new version transactions
1427 2014-10-08 21:29:40 <sipa> without enforcing them
1428 2014-10-08 21:29:58 <sipa> wait, no, too high tx versions are nonstandard too; nvm
1429 2014-10-08 21:30:03 <gavinandresen> sipa: old miners ignore transactions with versions they do not understand.
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1431 2014-10-08 21:30:20 <sipa> i just like the idea of not forwarding things with a meaning we don't understand
1432 2014-10-08 21:30:42 <sipa> and the code is trivial
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1437 2014-10-08 21:31:38 <sipa> .. and simpler than code that depends on tx and block versions
1438 2014-10-08 21:31:50 <sipa> (though we'll need that anyway for bip62)
1439 2014-10-08 21:31:51 <gavinandresen> I like Luke’s argument, it means we can get rid of SCRIPT_VERIFY_SECOND_TUESDAY_MEANS_NOP11_WORKS after the network has fully upgraded.
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1444 2014-10-08 21:35:09 <sipa> i think using the version numbers is safe indeed, but more complex to implement
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1446 2014-10-08 21:37:22 <sipa> also, using transaction versions are linear... while we way have different parallel nop opcode deployments
1447 2014-10-08 21:38:12 <sipa> and in this case, all you need the new tx version is for is for the purpose of making your transaction intentionally nonstandard to those who dont understand it
1448 2014-10-08 21:38:25 <sipa> making those opcodes nonstandard in the first place avoids that
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1452 2014-10-08 21:40:40 <kanzure> there was also a small argument i saw floated somewhere about allowing non-participating other developers to introduce their own changes without negotiating inclusion into a version number as a community effort (wrong context?)
1453 2014-10-08 21:41:07 <sipa> you cannot change the consensus rules without consensus
1454 2014-10-08 21:41:20 <kanzure> well, i didn't mean to suggest that
1455 2014-10-08 21:41:20 <sipa> unfortunately
1456 2014-10-08 21:41:40 <sipa> right, you could start experimenting more easily
1457 2014-10-08 21:41:47 <sipa> before suggesting it as consensus change
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1497 2014-10-08 22:24:50 <epilido> Will there be a problem with limking a file in the .bitcoin directory to a remote usb drive location wallet.dat file thene runnint bitcoin-qt with the -wallet pointing to the linked file in the .bitcoin direcory?
1498 2014-10-08 22:25:51 <epilido> sonethng like ln /media/remoteusb/hugemoneywallet.dat remotewallet.dat in the .bitcoin directory
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1500 2014-10-08 22:26:19 <epilido> then bitcoin-qt -wallet=remotewallet.dat
1501 2014-10-08 22:27:24 <sipa> it is not a problem if you always shutdown correctly
1502 2014-10-08 22:27:28 <epilido> my hope would be to use bitcoin with a removable set of wallets that would not reside on the machine all of the time.
1503 2014-10-08 22:27:38 <sipa> but the recovery data for that wallet database will still be in .bitcoin
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1505 2014-10-08 22:27:55 <sipa> so if anything goes wrong, your wallet.dat file would not be usable without that .bitcoin directory
1506 2014-10-08 22:28:02 <epilido> the shut down will write to the linked file and then after shutdown I can remove the drive
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1511 2014-10-08 22:30:33 <Luke-Jr> epilido: also, you cannot bet on all sensitive data being on the drive
1512 2014-10-08 22:30:56 <Luke-Jr> ie, there will  likely be sensitive data remaining on the host PC
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1519 2014-10-08 22:33:39 <epilido> Luke-Jr, is there a better method?  I cant plan on holding the entire blockchain on a flash drive.   I currently have a tails setup on a 64gig flash drive with the entire blockchain stored on the card.  as a failsafe so I can use any computer in a pinch..
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1523 2014-10-08 22:33:55 <sipa> epilido: use a different wallet
1524 2014-10-08 22:34:05 <epilido> sipa lol thx
1525 2014-10-08 22:34:16 <sipa> the reference client's one is not really suitable for this purpose (at least not yet)
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1527 2014-10-08 22:35:40 <epilido> For some reason I trust the reference client more than the others.  I have been using it the longest.  maybe thats just silly but its what I use.  just trying to be safe.
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1529 2014-10-08 22:36:01 <epilido> sipa, Luke-Jr Thanks for the help
1530 2014-10-08 22:36:04 <gmaxwell> It's not silly.
1531 2014-10-08 22:36:12 <gmaxwell> But, theres a tradeoff there currently.
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1533 2014-10-08 22:36:45 <sipa> epilido: the reference client wallet certainly has a higher degree of scrutiny, and follows some best practices that others do not
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1535 2014-10-08 22:37:11 <sipa> epilido: but on the other hand, it is not modern, it is not well maintained, and it is lacking architectural improvements that have been discovered along the way
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1537 2014-10-08 22:37:28 <epilido> My hope with this method is that only the wallet on a specific removable media is available for use and misuse.
1538 2014-10-08 22:37:55 <gmaxwell> (including ones we ourselves discovered, but resource constrants and necessary conservativeness in deployment have resulted in other wallets deploying them first)
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1541 2014-10-08 22:39:09 <sipa> can i have some acks on #5004, jgarzik, gmaxwell, gavinandresen?
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1553 2014-10-08 22:46:26 <gmaxwell> + if ((flags & (SCRIPT_VERIFY_DERSIG | SCRIPT_VERIFY_LOW_S | SCRIPT_VERIFY_STRICTENC)) != 0 && !IsDERSignature(vchSig)) {
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1558 2014-10-08 22:47:24 <sipa> gmaxwell: indeed?
1559 2014-10-08 22:47:25 <gmaxwell> sipa: kinda surprised me that VERIFY_LOW_S implies the ber/der filtering, I understand why, but it might want a slightly stronger comment in the flags.
1560 2014-10-08 22:47:50 <gmaxwell> (I see it's commented there, but "non der" may be a little vague. "Strict der" or something.
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1562 2014-10-08 22:50:17 <sipa> gmaxwell: changed to say 'non-strict-DER'
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1565 2014-10-08 22:50:48 <gmaxwell> thanks
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1590 2014-10-08 23:10:57 <gmaxwell> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=62609.0 :(
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1594 2014-10-08 23:11:36 <sipa> ...
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1603 2014-10-08 23:36:01 <BlueMatt> cfields: ping
1604 2014-10-08 23:36:08 <cfields> pong
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1606 2014-10-08 23:37:03 <BlueMatt> re: libscript...we are getting incredibly close to freezing 0.10 (ie headers-first + one or two other things) and I really dont want to see libscript get pushed back to 0.11
1607 2014-10-08 23:37:15 <BlueMatt> (but we probably shouldnt wait for it)
1608 2014-10-08 23:37:32 <BlueMatt> do you have a branch that has the buildsystem integration work done for libscript
1609 2014-10-08 23:37:45 <BlueMatt> (with or without boost-less ness and jtimon's many updates?)
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1611 2014-10-08 23:38:14 <BlueMatt> either way, I'd kinda like to open up a pull with that today or tomorrow and get that merged soon thereafter, that way at least its there and can be trimmed down as we go
1612 2014-10-08 23:39:49 <BlueMatt> all it should need is a DLLIMPORT/DLLEXPORT win32 header thinggy, a header to be installed, and the proper calls to build the .so/.dll in autotools, no?
1613 2014-10-08 23:39:59 <sipa> i thought jtimon had a nearly done libscript PR
1614 2014-10-08 23:40:02 <sipa> though  ihaven't seen it
1615 2014-10-08 23:40:08 <BlueMatt> branch, not pull
1616 2014-10-08 23:40:17 <sipa> eh branch, indeed
1617 2014-10-08 23:40:18 <BlueMatt> or maybe I'm tripping
1618 2014-10-08 23:40:30 <BlueMatt> did it integrate build-system stuff?
1619 2014-10-08 23:40:36 <BlueMatt> thats most of what I care about at this point
1620 2014-10-08 23:40:37 <jtimon> I have a standalone without core almost ready
1621 2014-10-08 23:40:40 <sipa> 01:32:49 < sipa> though  ihaven't seen it
1622 2014-10-08 23:40:56 <sipa> ... without core?
1623 2014-10-08 23:40:57 <BlueMatt> jtimon: where?
1624 2014-10-08 23:41:02 <cfields> BlueMatt: the build stuff depends on the boost-ness. knocking that out simplifies the build process a good bit
1625 2014-10-08 23:41:09 <cfields> and i have the boost removal done. i'm cleaning it up atm.
1626 2014-10-08 23:41:22 <BlueMatt> cfields: building a shared library that requires use of boost of the same version as the host is...oh well
1627 2014-10-08 23:41:25 <jtimon> I haven't touched script/script since coryfields is focusing on that, just the script/interpreter getting the checker out
1628 2014-10-08 23:41:27 <BlueMatt> sucks but at least its better than nothing
1629 2014-10-08 23:43:26 <jtimon> Bluematt there's one on https://github.com/jtimon/bitcoin/tree/libscriptpreview but depends on #5054 (controversial) and #4989, the new one is still only in my laptop
1630 2014-10-08 23:44:05 <BlueMatt> jtimon: I dont see code to build a .so/.dll there?
1631 2014-10-08 23:44:08 <BlueMatt> only the files themselves
1632 2014-10-08 23:44:58 <jtimon> no, I'm only building a standalone.cpp -> standalone.o, I though you guys were doing that part
1633 2014-10-08 23:45:22 <BlueMatt> yes, IIRC cfields was planning on it, but I was gonna tackle it today if he was still focused on boost-less-ness or so
1634 2014-10-08 23:45:56 <jtimon> ok, give me 10 mins
1635 2014-10-08 23:46:00 <sipa> ok, so: jtimon does a minimal standalone.cpp, BlueMatt does .so/.dll, cfields does letsgetidofboost ?
1636 2014-10-08 23:46:29 <cfields> BlueMatt: i have a quick hack that i've been using to test, but it's only the minimal change to build the object
1637 2014-10-08 23:46:31 * BlueMatt does minimal standalone in 10 lines that gets thrown away later, jtimon does a real one that replaces it, cfields does letsgetridofboost
1638 2014-10-08 23:46:39 <sipa> (i'm working on bip62 atm; let me know if you need review/help)
1639 2014-10-08 23:46:40 <BlueMatt> cfields: the object or the .so?
1640 2014-10-08 23:46:46 <cfields> BlueMatt: the .so
1641 2014-10-08 23:46:57 <BlueMatt> how far is it from a quick hack that actually works?
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1643 2014-10-08 23:47:21 <cfields> BlueMatt: well it works, but i had to get rid of boost before knowing what archives I would get away with lumping in
1644 2014-10-08 23:47:28 <sipa> whatever standalone implements, it will become a publically visible API, so preferably not something that requires frequent extension
1645 2014-10-08 23:47:45 <BlueMatt> sipa: I meant standalone.cpp that sucks, but can be replaced with a different one with the same .h
1646 2014-10-08 23:47:48 <cfields> it lists individual files for now, i haven't decided how to tackle it cleanly yet
1647 2014-10-08 23:47:52 <sipa> i think having validation flags in there makes sense, but poreferably some that are disconnected from the internal ones in script/interpreter
1648 2014-10-08 23:48:17 <sipa> BlueMatt: ack
1649 2014-10-08 23:48:53 <BlueMatt> sipa: I mean the .h's interface should really be rather obvious, I hope
1650 2014-10-08 23:49:57 <sipa> 7yup
1651 2014-10-08 23:50:01 <sipa> -7
1652 2014-10-08 23:50:07 <cfields> sipa: i have a few things that i've shuffled around and am not quite sure what their new homes should be. my plan was just to dump them in a foo_misc.cpp file temporarily and let you decide where they go
1653 2014-10-08 23:50:10 <cfields> if that's cool with you
1654 2014-10-08 23:50:20 <sipa> such as
1655 2014-10-08 23:50:38 <BlueMatt> cfields: well, for now my plan was "fuck it, include all of core, include everything, just build a .so, even if that, too, depends on a specific boost version"
1656 2014-10-08 23:50:50 <cfields> sipa: i split key.cpp to key.cpp/pubkey.cpp
1657 2014-10-08 23:51:03 <sipa> cfields: that makes sense
1658 2014-10-08 23:51:04 <cfields> there are a few functions that both require
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1660 2014-10-08 23:51:39 <cfields> uhmm.. ECDSA_SIG_recover_key_GFp for ex
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1662 2014-10-08 23:52:48 <cfields> BlueMatt: i don't really see how that's any improvement over what's in master at the moment. Anyone could just re-link their prog with our .a's and achieve the same thing
1663 2014-10-08 23:53:05 <sipa> cfields: but they won't
1664 2014-10-08 23:53:37 <cfields> sipa: which part?
1665 2014-10-08 23:54:02 <sipa> and even if is not an improvement, both the library interface implementation and the getting-rid-of-boost need tro be done, sand they don't depend on eachother
1666 2014-10-08 23:54:04 <BlueMatt> cfields: what sipa said
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1668 2014-10-08 23:54:25 <sipa> cfields: the poijt, imho, is having a table API interface and an implementation for it
1669 2014-10-08 23:54:39 <BlueMatt> cfields: people will see the linking of the .a and using bitcoin core's api as ugly (and it, really, really is)
1670 2014-10-08 23:54:39 <cfields> sipa: i very much agree..
1671 2014-10-08 23:54:41 <sipa> that is very different from linking in another project's internal .a files
1672 2014-10-08 23:54:56 <BlueMatt> but defining an api and providing a .so (even if its a massive thing), people might actually look at
1673 2014-10-08 23:55:12 <cfields> which is why i don't see why this is suddenly such an "omg let's push something out yesterday" thing
1674 2014-10-08 23:55:35 <sipa> it
1675 2014-10-08 23:55:53 <sipa> imho it is not priority; it's just something that several people personally like :)
1676 2014-10-08 23:56:03 <BlueMatt> ^ this is why it should happen quickly
1677 2014-10-08 23:56:16 <BlueMatt> freezing 0.10 is a priority, and will happen whether there is a script so or not
1678 2014-10-08 23:56:17 <jtimon> BlueMatt: https://github.com/jtimon/bitcoin/tree/libscriptpreview
1679 2014-10-08 23:56:26 <cfields> sipa: yes, i'm agreeing with you. BlueMatt said " include all of core, include everything, just build a .so, even if that, too, depends on a specific boost version". I was just pointing out that that approach is no different than lumping the .a's together
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1681 2014-10-08 23:56:47 <cfields> which doesn't achieve much. I'd rather go about it in the proper order.
1682 2014-10-08 23:56:54 <sipa> cfields: a .so with a stable interface is very different from a .a file with no guarante3es
1683 2014-10-08 23:56:55 <BlueMatt> cfields: my point is, for now, we could lump the .a's together and add an api and it would be reasonable to ship
1684 2014-10-08 23:56:56 <jtimon> nop, sorry, forgot one thing
1685 2014-10-08 23:57:11 <sipa> jtimon: please, don't reimplement core...
1686 2014-10-08 23:57:57 <sipa> we should make core leaner if we don't need all of it; not have a heavy and light version of it...
1687 2014-10-08 23:58:20 <cfields> ok, i see your point
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1689 2014-10-08 23:58:55 <jtimon> well, that's what #4809 is about, btw I forced push and now I can't open it to pass the tests in more plattforms...
1690 2014-10-08 23:59:37 <jtimon> but sipa, the fact is that core is heavy now, when core is lighther we can get rid of the templates
1691 2014-10-08 23:59:58 <cfields> BlueMatt: i think i can have the boost stuff cleaned up and ready for review tomorrow