1 2014-10-09 00:00:02 <sipa> what templates?
2 2014-10-09 00:00:19 <moa> would the .so be statically or dynamically linked to the dependencies?
3 2014-10-09 00:00:29 <cfields> i'm punting on some of the decisions, so there will be some stupid temporary duplication, but it'll be enough to get the build-side worked out
4 2014-10-09 00:00:38 <BlueMatt> cfields: well, ok, I mean if thats your timeline I can just look into doing a proper api .h and wait a day, I just dont want to see it not get in, or delay 0.10 for it
5 2014-10-09 00:01:07 <cfields> moa: that's a good question. i think it's going to end up being per-platform
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8 2014-10-09 00:01:48 <moa> so deterministic build considerations come into it then ...
9 2014-10-09 00:02:08 <cfields> it'll be deterministic either way
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11 2014-10-09 00:02:26 <cfields> only issue is that some platforms don't like having static libs linked into shared ones
12 2014-10-09 00:02:28 <BlueMatt> sipa: wow, merged bip62 SCRIPT_VERIFY_STRICTENC
13 2014-10-09 00:02:30 <moa> kind of limits your options then i think you'll find
14 2014-10-09 00:02:32 <moa> right
15 2014-10-09 00:02:59 <BlueMatt> sipa: what else is left for bip62 aside from the soft-fork itself?
16 2014-10-09 00:03:10 <sipa> BlueMatt: all the other rules
17 2014-10-09 00:03:26 <sipa> i have rule #2 implemented + tests here locally
18 2014-10-09 00:03:28 <BlueMatt> oh, somehow I thought one or two of the script things had already been implemented
19 2014-10-09 00:03:52 <sipa> BlueMatt: see script/interpreter.h flags to see which rules are implemented
20 2014-10-09 00:03:54 <sipa> some are
21 2014-10-09 00:03:59 <BlueMatt> ok, yea
22 2014-10-09 00:04:16 <sipa> #2, #3, #4, #6 still need impkementation
23 2014-10-09 00:04:24 <sipa> petertodd has a n outdated version for 6
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26 2014-10-09 00:05:20 <jtimon> sipa I'm templating CTransactionSignatureSerializer to use two different definitions of CTransaction, one minimal and the one for core, that compiles two different SignatureHash()
27 2014-10-09 00:05:32 <sipa> bah
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29 2014-10-09 00:05:50 <sipa> just use the one in core...
30 2014-10-09 00:07:18 <jtimon> then you will have core.o in the library instead of what you need, eventually you will want both to use the same code for that, but that requires changes in core
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32 2014-10-09 00:07:43 <sipa> i have no problem with core.o in the library, as you know
33 2014-10-09 00:07:52 <cfields> :q
34 2014-10-09 00:07:55 <cfields> ...
35 2014-10-09 00:08:02 <sipa> reducing dependencies is an optimization, not a requirement
36 2014-10-09 00:08:10 <cfields> apparently i'm done with you guys :p
37 2014-10-09 00:08:15 <gmaxwell> I think there is a reasonable argument for also doing the LOCKTIMEVERIFY in the same softfork as BIP62: it's also a tool to address malleability, and it's mostly self contained, and what it does adjust is similar areas of code (validation flags).
38 2014-10-09 00:08:20 <sipa> and certainly not superior to code duplication...
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40 2014-10-09 00:09:19 <jtimon> yes, I know, I would like to know what others think about it, I just want to have the two binaries to compare
41 2014-10-09 00:09:41 <sipa> having an idea of small we could gewt things is interesting indeed
42 2014-10-09 00:09:58 <sipa> ok, i'll stop preaching; you know my opinion :)
43 2014-10-09 00:10:21 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: ack
44 2014-10-09 00:11:02 <jtimon> updated with what was mising, and not duplicating the whole checker
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46 2014-10-09 00:12:26 <jtimon> s/updated/I'll update it
47 2014-10-09 00:13:05 <cfields> sipa: ok with moving BIP32Hash to hash.h/cpp ?
48 2014-10-09 00:13:23 <sipa> cfields: ok
49 2014-10-09 00:13:36 <cfields> thanks
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57 2014-10-09 00:31:05 <dgenr8> gmaxwell: how about #2340 too? consistent with expanded nlocktime usage
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59 2014-10-09 00:33:09 <sipa> dgenr8: 2340 is not a consensus rule
60 2014-10-09 00:33:16 <sipa> it can be deployed independently
61 2014-10-09 00:33:51 <dgenr8> even better
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66 2014-10-09 00:36:03 <gmaxwell> oh for some reason I thought we'd merged that already.
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117 2014-10-09 02:08:26 <BlueMatt> whats our deprecation method for rpcs?
118 2014-10-09 02:08:31 <BlueMatt> dont we have a flag somewhere for that?
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131 2014-10-09 02:30:05 <gmaxwell> gah! I'm so tired of people getting confused about beta != prerelease. "I'm not going to run 0.9.3 until it's not beta, don't you have a patch for 0.9?"
132 2014-10-09 02:30:35 <BlueMatt> lets call 0.10 stable
133 2014-10-09 02:30:42 <BlueMatt> what was the old "bar for stable" metric?
134 2014-10-09 02:30:44 <BlueMatt> it included headers first
135 2014-10-09 02:30:48 <BlueMatt> and some other stuff
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137 2014-10-09 02:30:52 <moa> 0.9.3 stable (beta)
138 2014-10-09 02:30:53 <BlueMatt> maybe it was on gavin's gists
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140 2014-10-09 02:33:31 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: FWIW, I'm pending on the headers first merge for final-rebasing block proposals - just so you're aware
141 2014-10-09 02:33:54 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: ok, seriously though, what is on your list for 1.0 or 0.10 non-beta?
142 2014-10-09 02:34:06 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: 0.9.3 final (all of Bitcoin is beta)
143 2014-10-09 02:34:07 <Luke-Jr> :p
144 2014-10-09 02:34:12 * Luke-Jr puts quotes on that
145 2014-10-09 02:34:29 <Luke-Jr> BlueMatt: either removed or seriously improved wallet?
146 2014-10-09 02:34:52 <BlueMatt> its a reference client 1.0
147 2014-10-09 02:34:57 <BlueMatt> I dont think it needs that
148 2014-10-09 02:35:05 <sipa> BlueMatt: stable == his grandmother can use it
149 2014-10-09 02:35:20 <BlueMatt> I /really/ dont think thats required for the /reference/ client
150 2014-10-09 02:35:25 <sipa> (which i think is a bad goal now, as his grandmother shouldn't beusing a full node)
151 2014-10-09 02:35:26 <Luke-Jr> BlueMatt: at the very least, it should do sane backups
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153 2014-10-09 02:36:35 <gmaxwell> we've proposed dropping the word before a long time ago but didn't because of wanting to avoid the inevitable "omg bitcoin is no longer beta!" garbage in the pump^wpress.
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155 2014-10-09 02:37:33 <gmaxwell> I mean just from the version strings, where it leads to this particular confusion where people won't upgrade because they notice the beta on the new version and not the old. Fine to say the bitcoin system is a beta thing.
156 2014-10-09 02:37:33 <BlueMatt> yes, so slip it in
157 2014-10-09 02:38:24 <BlueMatt> dont announce it, and for the pr/code put giant comments that say "0.10 is NOT marking bitcoin as non-beta"
158 2014-10-09 02:38:34 <Luke-Jr> "Bitcoin Core version v0.10 for the experimental/beta Bitcoin consensus network"
159 2014-10-09 02:38:50 <sipa> the BBC
160 2014-10-09 02:38:58 <sipa> Bitcoin Beta Consensus
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180 2014-10-09 03:05:33 <jtimon> BlueMatt cfields wumpus sipa what about https://github.com/jtimon/bitcoin/tree/scriptpreview? Is based on #4989 but not on #5054 (which wumpus doesn't like)
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182 2014-10-09 03:06:47 <jtimon> sipa in fact I think that minimal duplication for people intersted only on the serialization of the tx and not in the whole structure as used for bitcoin core
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241 2014-10-09 04:40:48 <Tebbo> Hey anyone else working with conformal?
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243 2014-10-09 04:42:51 <Tebbo> rpc.cert: The system cannot find the path specified.
244 2014-10-09 04:47:03 <phantomcircuit> <moa> [02:23:40] 0.9.3 stable (beta)
245 2014-10-09 04:47:07 <phantomcircuit> i actually like that
246 2014-10-09 04:50:14 <Tebbo> anyone know if you can issue command line arguments (like -server) to the bitcoin-qt program on windows 7?
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248 2014-10-09 04:53:24 <moa> phantomcircuit: me too, makes sense for joe "worries if he got it right" installer
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250 2014-10-09 04:56:31 <phantomcircuit> moa, to be fair
251 2014-10-09 04:56:33 <phantomcircuit> im
252 2014-10-09 04:56:36 <phantomcircuit> pretttty drunk
253 2014-10-09 04:56:39 <Tebbo> phantomcircuit
254 2014-10-09 04:56:40 <Tebbo> dude
255 2014-10-09 04:56:50 <Tebbo> i miss you man
256 2014-10-09 04:56:59 <moa> oh, watch out for the enforcers then ...
257 2014-10-09 04:57:01 <Tebbo> I need to hang out in this channel more
258 2014-10-09 04:57:19 <moa> i'm sick of creating new Nyms everytime i get booted off here
259 2014-10-09 04:57:28 <Tebbo> :( I'm having a problem with an error
260 2014-10-09 04:57:34 <Tebbo> C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Btcd\rpc.cert: The system cannot find the path specified.
261 2014-10-09 04:57:42 <Tebbo> the rpc client isn't running i don't think
262 2014-10-09 04:57:46 * Tebbo looks up .cert
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264 2014-10-09 04:58:09 <phantomcircuit> moa, he's ok
265 2014-10-09 04:58:11 <phantomcircuit> just a bit
266 2014-10-09 04:58:13 <phantomcircuit> ...
267 2014-10-09 04:58:14 <phantomcircuit> slow
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269 2014-10-09 04:58:19 <phantomcircuit> ;)
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274 2014-10-09 05:11:01 <BlueMatt> Tebbo: this is not conformal-support
275 2014-10-09 05:11:10 <Tebbo> i know buddy i know
276 2014-10-09 05:11:15 <Tebbo> don't get your panties in a wad
277 2014-10-09 05:11:23 <Tebbo> suggest a topic and i'll talk about it
278 2014-10-09 05:11:35 <Tebbo> i'm currently listening to the canadian video post
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283 2014-10-09 05:16:54 <davec> Tebbo: you need to specify an rpcuser and rpcpass for the RPC server to be running. https://github.com/conformal/btcd/blob/master/sample-btcd.conf
284 2014-10-09 05:17:02 <davec> then the cert will be autogenerated on first start
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289 2014-10-09 05:23:58 <Tebbo> davec, I'm trying to not use btcd, I want to use the conformal btcrpcclient with the bitcoin-qt, json rpc
290 2014-10-09 05:25:22 <davec> use the bitcoin core example.https://github.com/conformal/btcrpcclient/tree/master/examples/bitcoincorehttp
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294 2014-10-09 05:26:15 <Tebbo> https://github.com/conformal/btcrpcclient/tree/master/examples/bitcoincorehttp
295 2014-10-09 05:26:37 <Tebbo> yeah I'm trying to use the websockets because it is the only one with TLS mode unlocked
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297 2014-10-09 05:27:43 <Tebbo> I need to unlock the wallet and issue a send command
298 2014-10-09 05:27:45 <davec> join the btcd channel and I'll help - people get upset in this onefor support stuff
299 2014-10-09 05:27:51 <Tebbo> kk
300 2014-10-09 05:28:59 <gmaxwell> support stuff here is usually in #bitcoin but I dunno if anyone that knows anything about that program hang out in #bitcoin
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335 2014-10-09 06:21:17 <wumpus> anyone know if you can issue command line arguments (like -server) to the bitcoin-qt program on windows 7? <- sure! although unless it's a onetime command like -reindex, putting the settings in bitcoin.conf is usually easier
336 2014-10-09 06:23:15 <wumpus> that was @Tebbo
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488 2014-10-09 10:01:57 <dcousens> sipa: would your latest PR make the following redundant: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/69dd8c919aa3a1b88af34265f828fe0a58a55014/src/script/script.cpp#L230-L255
489 2014-10-09 10:02:17 <dcousens> It seems to me it would, but the only reason that above needs to be kept is because yours is an optional flag?
490 2014-10-09 10:04:31 <dcousens> or is there reason this is done because it is softfork safe?
491 2014-10-09 10:04:40 <dcousens> s/there/the
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536 2014-10-09 11:15:13 <onefox> has someone here some expierens with micropayment channels ?
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679 2014-10-09 13:46:04 <helo> onefox: there is some talk of them in -wizards from time to time
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681 2014-10-09 13:46:30 <onefox> helo: in bitcoin-wizards ?
682 2014-10-09 13:46:45 <helo> yes
683 2014-10-09 13:47:07 <onefox> thanks
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754 2014-10-09 15:24:44 <sipa> dcousens: which PR? what makes it redundant?
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766 2014-10-09 15:38:01 <sipa> dcousens: i misread; that funcyion does not deal with unevaluated branches, and not with OP_1NEGATE
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768 2014-10-09 15:38:27 <sipa> but tbh i forgot it existed
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961 2014-10-09 19:23:06 <sipa> cfields: pung
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966 2014-10-09 19:25:34 <cfields> sipa: regarding key.cpp/pubkey.cpp split, i need a CECKey (RAII wrapper around EC_KEY) that doesn't depend on CPrivKey. Would you prefer that I passed in buffer pointers to the existing CECKey, or create a new class, something like CECPubKey with stripped down functionality?
967 2014-10-09 19:26:12 <sipa> gah, can't we just switch to libsecp256k1? :p
968 2014-10-09 19:26:18 <cfields> i hope that makes some sense, i tried hard :)
969 2014-10-09 19:26:19 <sipa> (yes i know, no, not yet)
970 2014-10-09 19:26:19 <cfields> heh
971 2014-10-09 19:27:53 <sipa> i think passing buffer pointers in is acceptable here - CECKey is pretty low level anyway
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973 2014-10-09 19:28:03 <sipa> it also feels wrong that it depends on CPrivKey in the first place, actually
974 2014-10-09 19:28:07 <cfields> i did it as a new class, where CECPubKey has limited functionality. It works fine, but conceptually it's weird. Looks now if it'd be easier to just keep CECKey and pass in the pointers
975 2014-10-09 19:28:48 <cfields> ok, great
976 2014-10-09 19:30:14 <cfields> want me to do the same with CPubKey? no dependency issues there, but if you think it's weird for it to be using the high-level structures I'll do em both at once
977 2014-10-09 19:30:35 <sipa> feel free
978 2014-10-09 19:30:48 <cfields> ok, thanks
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1128 2014-10-09 23:44:02 <BlueMatt> cfields: ping
1129 2014-10-09 23:44:09 <cfields> pong
1130 2014-10-09 23:44:29 <BlueMatt> cfields: opinion on api https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/bitcoin/commit/6d697838209a12eb5cba4f5f41caca53899b85d1 ?
1131 2014-10-09 23:45:27 <BlueMatt> maybe needs a bitcoinconsensus_minversion_to_get_consensus(my version) or something?
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1133 2014-10-09 23:48:13 <cfields> i thought the plan was to use the flags to determine that...
1134 2014-10-09 23:48:21 <cfields> sipa would be a better bet, though
1135 2014-10-09 23:48:37 <cfields> iirc he had it worked out nicely
1136 2014-10-09 23:48:39 <BlueMatt> cfields: how far off is the build system shown there?
1137 2014-10-09 23:49:01 <BlueMatt> something like i_support_these_flags_will_i_get_consensus(flags)?
1138 2014-10-09 23:49:26 <cfields> more like that, yes
1139 2014-10-09 23:49:29 <cfields> my understanding, anyway
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1141 2014-10-09 23:50:14 <cfields> not too far off on the build-side, but it looks quite different without boost and with the dependencies trimmed down
1142 2014-10-09 23:50:28 <cfields> also, we need to check for those attributes rather than hard-coding them. i have a branch around for that somewhere
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1144 2014-10-09 23:51:11 <cfields> BlueMatt: i'll push up my boost branch in just a min. just going through and cleaning it up a bit
1145 2014-10-09 23:51:57 <BlueMatt> cfields: no rush, they're complementary :)
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1147 2014-10-09 23:53:05 <BlueMatt> cfields: check which attributes?
1148 2014-10-09 23:53:36 <cfields> the visibility/declspec stuff
1149 2014-10-09 23:54:22 <BlueMatt> re: declspec: yes, you need to, but not for visibility?
1150 2014-10-09 23:54:39 <BlueMatt> or...I suppose you could use autotools to make that a .in and generate it?
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1152 2014-10-09 23:55:12 <cfields> just some stuff that goes into bitcoin-config.h
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1154 2014-10-09 23:55:24 <cfields> if it's not a standard, it needs to be checked for rather than assumed
1155 2014-10-09 23:55:41 <BlueMatt> ???
1156 2014-10-09 23:56:02 <cfields> ?
1157 2014-10-09 23:56:34 <BlueMatt> which is not standard?
1158 2014-10-09 23:56:36 <BlueMatt> _WIN32?
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1161 2014-10-09 23:57:20 <cfields> function attribute syntax in general
1162 2014-10-09 23:57:24 <cfields> not until c++11 afaik
1163 2014-10-09 23:57:36 <BlueMatt> huh?
1164 2014-10-09 23:57:42 <BlueMatt> its all protected by #if __GNUC__
1165 2014-10-09 23:57:44 <BlueMatt> so...
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1167 2014-10-09 23:58:31 <cfields> right, because you got it from the gnu website :)
1168 2014-10-09 23:58:43 <BlueMatt> ?
1169 2014-10-09 23:58:55 <BlueMatt> why is it bad to have gnu-specific code if its wrapped in #if __GNUC__ ?
1170 2014-10-09 23:59:05 <BlueMatt> when the non-gcc standard is to always include