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 134 2014-10-24 01:57:39 <nickodell> If an OP_RETURN transaction is included in the blockchain, does the miner get to collect the bitcoins from that output as fees?
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 136 2014-10-24 01:59:33 <jgarzik> nickodell, no
 137 2014-10-24 02:01:29 <nickodell> So, this guy is wrong, then? "As a side effect, a coin linked to an OP_RETURN challenge script becomes unspendable. Interestingly, any value associated with the coin can be claimed as a miner fee." http://bitzuma.com/posts/op-return-and-the-future-of-bitcoin/
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 170 2014-10-24 02:32:15 <SomeoneWeird> nickodell: by the looks of it, yes
 171 2014-10-24 02:32:53 <nickodell> SomeoneWeird: Odd! Got a line or commit I could look at?
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 173 2014-10-24 02:33:03 <SomeoneWeird> for?
 174 2014-10-24 02:33:25 <nickodell> SomeoneWeird: Or did you mean 'yes, that guy is wrong' ?
 175 2014-10-24 02:33:42 <SomeoneWeird> yeah, he's wrong
 176 2014-10-24 02:33:50 <nickodell> Ok, thanks.
 177 2014-10-24 02:33:59 <SomeoneWeird> bad wording on my part, sorry
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 262 2014-10-24 06:18:00 <wumpus> BlueMatt: yes I accidentally the github merge there
 263 2014-10-24 06:18:48 <wumpus> BlueMatt: I'm sure that's the only unsigned merge  in a loong time
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 857 2014-10-24 17:20:04 <gavinandresen> sipa: I’m seeing weirdness with a regression test I’m writing, maybe related to headers-first. Wondering if it is a known bug. Here’s what’s up:
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 859 2014-10-24 17:20:37 <gavinandresen> sipa: running the forknotify regression test, which creates a long chain and makes sure -alertnotify triggers
 860 2014-10-24 17:21:06 <sipa> ok
 861 2014-10-24 17:21:21 <gavinandresen> sipa: all is well, unless I create an initial chain full of blocks with old (Jan 1, 2014) timestamps. Then one of the nodes seems to never sync.
 862 2014-10-24 17:21:22 <sipa> i have never tested alertnotify wrt headersfirst
 863 2014-10-24 17:21:48 <gavinandresen> Could be I have a bug in the regression test code, I had to modify CreateBlock so it can create blocks with arbitrary timestamps
 864 2014-10-24 17:22:23 <sipa> so initial block sync (determined by the timestamp of the most recent block, iirc) is only done from outgoing peers
 865 2014-10-24 17:22:57 <gavinandresen> That could be it… thanks, gives me a place to start debugging
 866 2014-10-24 17:23:21 <sipa> that was a problem for compairson tool as well
 867 2014-10-24 17:23:30 <sipa> can't remember how we avoided it
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 869 2014-10-24 17:24:05 <sipa> so there are two places in the code where blocks are actually requested
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 871 2014-10-24 17:24:37 <sipa> one is inside the "inv" Processmessage handler, for immediately-advertized blocks - but this is only done if we believe we're synced
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 873 2014-10-24 17:24:50 <sipa> and is done from the first peer that advertizes (incoming or not)
 874 2014-10-24 17:25:05 <sipa> the other is in SendMessages, which is the background parallel fetcher
 875 2014-10-24 17:25:33 <sipa> and that one should be used for IBD mostly, and is restricted to outgoing peers
 876 2014-10-24 17:25:56 <gavinandresen> sipa: I might be running into an edge case in the “believe we’re synced” case— initial chain is 200 blocks from January, then get a current-timestamp block...
 877 2014-10-24 17:26:36 <sipa> search for 'fFetch'; that's the condition under which the background downloader works
 878 2014-10-24 17:26:41 <gavinandresen> cool
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 880 2014-10-24 17:27:16 <sipa> the direct fetcher uses timestamps
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1072 2014-10-24 20:58:08 <Luke-Jr> coryfields_: shouldn't we disable ccache use by default? Gentoo at least seems to have experience with ccache quietly breaking builds..
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1079 2014-10-24 21:03:01 <coryfields_> Luke-Jr: have there been any reports?
1080 2014-10-24 21:03:33 <Luke-Jr> coryfields_: not for bitcoin afaik, but I did get a report of ccache being enabled when it ought not (Gentoo has their own setup for enabling it) ;)
1081 2014-10-24 21:03:42 <Luke-Jr> easily worked around on my end for that, but just a thought
1082 2014-10-24 21:04:50 <coryfields_> Luke-Jr: imo it's safe enough these days to leave on by default. Ofc I'd happily reconsider that stance if issues surfaced
1083 2014-10-24 21:05:00 <coryfields_> how was it enabled in that case?
1084 2014-10-24 21:05:14 <Luke-Jr> coryfields_: the configure script detected ccache and enabled it
1085 2014-10-24 21:05:17 <coryfields_> i suppose gentoo uses env vars?
1086 2014-10-24 21:05:34 <Luke-Jr> oh, in Gentoo's case - ccache is setup with symlinks to all the compilers in PATH
1087 2014-10-24 21:05:37 <coryfields_> Luke-Jr: right, i meant: how did it break gentoo's assumptions
1088 2014-10-24 21:05:41 <Luke-Jr> oh
1089 2014-10-24 21:05:58 <Luke-Jr> well, when the user doesn't have ccache enabled, he doesn't want it used either
1090 2014-10-24 21:06:16 <Luke-Jr> in this case, it was flagged by trying to access /var/tmp/ccache, outside its sandbox
1091 2014-10-24 21:06:54 <coryfields_> so, ccache's override path gets priority if ccache is on globally?
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1093 2014-10-24 21:07:22 <Luke-Jr> anyway, the reason I was suggesting we disable it by default, is because Bitcoin is very sensitive, and silent corruption can be especially dangerous to us, if there's still risk of it (maybe it's an old comment?)
1094 2014-10-24 21:07:38 <Luke-Jr> coryfields_: ?
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1096 2014-10-24 21:08:01 <Luke-Jr> coryfields_: if ccache is off globally, the user doesn't want it used, and our attempt to use it was flagged as a sandbox violation
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1099 2014-10-24 21:09:13 <coryfields_> Luke-Jr: i'm trying to determine how ccache is set to be used if the flag is on. I assume it modified the path like: PATH="$CCACHE_PATH:$PATH" ?
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1102 2014-10-24 21:10:22 <Luke-Jr> coryfields_: probably; I can't say for certain. it does work with --disable-ccache
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1104 2014-10-24 21:11:43 <Luke-Jr> (I confirmed it is working with --disable-ccache by grepping `ps ax` for it)
1105 2014-10-24 21:12:22 <coryfields_> well depending on how it's activated, it may be possible for us to tell that it's unwanted
1106 2014-10-24 21:12:23 <coryfields_> for ex
1107 2014-10-24 21:13:07 <coryfields_> there's CCACHE_DISABLE, which does the obvious
1108 2014-10-24 21:13:24 <coryfields_> so if that was set during configure by gentoo's build, but not set during make, it'd still end up disabled
1109 2014-10-24 21:13:37 <coryfields_> we could (should) check for that in the case that enable/disable wasn't specified, and disable if that's found
1110 2014-10-24 21:14:00 <coryfields_> *it'd still end up enabled
1111 2014-10-24 21:14:17 <Luke-Jr> can't hurt I guess, though IMO that is something the distro(s) can/should be expected to handle. my only concern upstream is whether there are risks we're taking by default that we ought not.
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1113 2014-10-24 21:15:24 <coryfields_> understood, i'm not skipping over that, just going to the easier discussion first :)
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1115 2014-10-24 21:16:29 <coryfields_> i understand your concern completely, and i don't disagree entirely. thing is that we've had it on by default for quite a while now with no (known) ill-effects
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1134 2014-10-24 21:33:09 <Luke-Jr> coryfields_: well, there's still like 40% of nodes failing to sync it appears: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/bitcoin/files/charts/bestblocks.html
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1139 2014-10-24 21:34:06 <Luke-Jr> I kinda doubt 40% are compiling themselves though
1140 2014-10-24 21:35:32 * Luke-Jr ponders hacking bitcoin-seeder to do the comparison at crawl-time
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1145 2014-10-24 21:41:19 <goosoodude> Uhm... We might have a slight problem...
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1147 2014-10-24 21:41:47 <gwillen> goosoodude: hm?
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1149 2014-10-24 21:42:12 <goosoodude> Some altcoin dev just copyrighted Scrypt... and the word "Coin."
1150 2014-10-24 21:42:42 <gwillen> going to go with "lol" as my response to that, but: link?
1151 2014-10-24 21:42:42 <coryfields_> you mean trademarked?
1152 2014-10-24 21:42:59 <goosoodude> http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=86214943&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch
1153 2014-10-24 21:43:18 <goosoodude> And, yeah coryfields_.
1154 2014-10-24 21:43:20 <coryfields_> *patent
1155 2014-10-24 21:44:09 <gwillen> goosoodude: the only mark that claims is "IMPERIAL COIN"
1156 2014-10-24 21:44:15 <gwillen> it doesn't appear to claim "COIN" or "SCRYPT"
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1160 2014-10-24 21:45:46 <goosoodude> Look over the documents. He's basically claiming the coin as well as any other coin using scrypt...
1161 2014-10-24 21:46:48 <goosoodude> He didn't claim the word scrypt, he claimed the algorithm.
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1164 2014-10-24 21:48:02 <coryfields_> where specifically?
1165 2014-10-24 21:48:53 <goosoodude> http://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn86214943&docId=FTK20140311075043#docIndex=14&page=1
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1171 2014-10-24 21:51:44 <coryfields_> goosoodude: i suggest you read up on the difference between copyright/trademark/patent, unless you're intentionally trying to spread misinformation
1172 2014-10-24 21:53:02 <goosoodude> Scroll down. He states "a scrypt-based virtual cryptocurrency." The wording is too broad. Does it mean IPC? Does it mean only his coin? Does it mean the entrie field of Scrypt currencies? Nobody really knows.
1173 2014-10-24 21:53:14 <goosoodude> At this point, all we can do is wait and see what happens.
1174 2014-10-24 21:53:36 <gwillen> goosoodude: this is a trademark. The _only_ thing he's claiming is the thing listed at the top.
1175 2014-10-24 21:53:45 <coryfields_> goosoodude: no, it's already happened. he has a trademark. that's not interesting.
1176 2014-10-24 21:53:48 <gwillen> goosoodude: all of the other stuff in that document is just describing the thing he's using with that trademark.
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1178 2014-10-24 21:54:04 <gwillen> goosoodude: there is literally NO claim to anything anywhere in that document except "imperial coin". I don't know what else to tell you.
1179 2014-10-24 21:54:28 <goosoodude> hmm... Well, ok then. I guess I just overreacted.
1180 2014-10-24 21:55:04 * gwillen nods
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1182 2014-10-24 21:55:43 <coryfields_> goosoodude: i assume several scamcoins have been granted trademarks by now, they'd be silly not to apply
1183 2014-10-24 21:55:45 <goosoodude> To be honest, the entire thing was about him trying to ruin my coin of a very similar name "ImperialCoin," which he really didn't do since I'm shutting it down soon. But, that's off topic.
1184 2014-10-24 21:56:11 <goosoodude> But, on-topic, how's Bitcoin's development going?
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