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  39 2014-11-07 00:42:14 <BlueMatt> gavinandresen: c9690960709fd366d09b181b9f50cd7afc6924b3 was not signed!
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  42 2014-11-07 00:45:04 <BlueMatt> (and, in fact, was apparently done via github's merge button........)
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  95 2014-11-07 01:57:24 <cfields> BlueMatt: i'm going to try to push up the libbitcoinconsensus PR tonight, if you'd like to have a look
  96 2014-11-07 01:57:42 <cfields> we'll still need to bikeshed about the external interfaces, PR seems like a good enough place for that
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 129 2014-11-07 02:46:14 <BlueMatt> cfields: nice! yea, was at money2020 plus some non-core work last week so Ive been away a bit but Ive got tomorrow on the caltrain to do bitcoin core stuff
 130 2014-11-07 02:46:22 <BlueMatt> well, plus tonight
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 136 2014-11-07 02:51:04 <cfields> gmaxwell: not "public" until merged? or not "public" until they've lived through a release or two?
 137 2014-11-07 02:52:51 <gmaxwell> the latter. Right now the focus needs to really be on the safe transformations to get the code seperated. Fixing up interfaces can be done seperately (not that it must be, but at least from my perspective it was less of a priority). Probably won't know much about whats stupid in the interface until someone tries to use it in a non-bitcoin-core codebase.
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 139 2014-11-07 02:54:03 <cfields> gmaxwell: i'd disagree with that to some extent. The easiest way to be sure that no one uses your lib is to keep breaking the api
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 141 2014-11-07 02:54:28 <cfields> for something so simple, i don't see why we shouldn't make a strong effort to get it stable the first time
 142 2014-11-07 02:54:47 <cfields> not that it's set in stone, ofc. but not trying and calling it unstable seems somewhat self-defeating imo
 143 2014-11-07 02:56:31 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: too late...Ive already used it :p
 144 2014-11-07 02:56:45 <gmaxwell> Feel free to try of course, but I've spent no review cycles on deciding if the api sucks or not, dunno if anyone else has... and just moving things around is hard enough to review, so even if I saw something where I thought the API sucked, I dunno that I'd really want to ask someone to fix it.
 145 2014-11-07 02:56:59 <BlueMatt> but, I agree with both of you...luckily what we're doing now will have maximum 2/3 functions
 146 2014-11-07 02:57:16 <cfields> gmaxwell: no worries though, i'm sure i'll be in the minority on this one :)
 147 2014-11-07 02:57:18 <BlueMatt> so I think getting it right enough that we probably wont need to change it significantly in the future should be very doable
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 149 2014-11-07 02:59:03 <gmaxwell> cfields: Also, it's C++ ... pretty hard to not break your callers when you change the code. :P
 150 2014-11-07 02:59:24 <cfields> gmaxwell: the interface is C
 151 2014-11-07 02:59:24 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: huh? its C
 152 2014-11-07 03:00:11 <gmaxwell> hm. I didn't think the interface was actually pure C.
 153 2014-11-07 03:00:37 <gmaxwell> (e.g. there were class parameters. cool. obviously I'm out of touch)
 154 2014-11-07 03:00:38 <BlueMatt> again, one function
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 156 2014-11-07 03:01:04 <BlueMatt> there was no point where the interface /wasnt/ pure C, I think
 157 2014-11-07 03:01:15 <cfields> gmaxwell: https://github.com/theuni/bitcoin/blob/libbitcoinconsensus/src/script/bitcoinconsensus.h
 158 2014-11-07 03:01:32 <cfields> gmaxwell: that's quite out of date, but the header is still relatively unchanged
 159 2014-11-07 03:02:59 <gmaxwell> hmph. I thought the libbitcoinconsensus work consistented of more than the scriptverify.
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 161 2014-11-07 03:03:09 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: long-term, yes
 162 2014-11-07 03:04:43 <cfields> gmaxwell: the code-base is prepped for much more now, but nearly everyone wanted to start with just that
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 233 2014-11-07 04:36:45 <tdlfbx> Let's say someone produces a block and someone else produces a block at the same time.  Let's say the first one (perhaps fraudulently) puts a timestamp in the block that is earlier than the other block.  Which one gets accepted?  Does the timestamp matter?  Or just which of the two is communicated to me first?
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 236 2014-11-07 04:39:06 <justanotheruser> tdlfbx: #bitcoin
 237 2014-11-07 04:39:26 <tdlfbx> Fine.
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 251 2014-11-07 05:04:34 <cfields> BlueMatt: https://github.com/theuni/bitcoin/tree/libbitcoinconsensus
 252 2014-11-07 05:04:43 <BlueMatt> will review, thanks
 253 2014-11-07 05:04:46 <cfields> BlueMatt: a bit more cleanup, then I'll PR it
 254 2014-11-07 05:05:12 * BlueMatt is proud of his pull-request-a-shitty-version, watch-as-people-make-a-clean-one trick with all of this :p
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 257 2014-11-07 05:06:03 <cfields> the bottom two commits are #5212, feel free to comment there if you have any beef with 'em
 258 2014-11-07 05:06:10 <BlueMatt> kk
 259 2014-11-07 05:06:47 <cfields> BlueMatt: haha, there's an internet law that defines that method, i forget the name though
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 261 2014-11-07 05:07:29 <BlueMatt> yes, it is incredibly useful...I think we should also start doing it more in general to pull more people in
 262 2014-11-07 05:07:50 <BlueMatt> iirc my first "big thing" was wallet encryption because of jeff's original hack
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 264 2014-11-07 05:16:15 <BlueMatt> cfields: note that this will need updated before release for bip62
 265 2014-11-07 05:16:23 <BlueMatt> and/or CLTV (if we do that one)
 266 2014-11-07 05:16:39 <cfields> BlueMatt: the flags, you mean?
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 268 2014-11-07 05:17:59 <BlueMatt> yea
 269 2014-11-07 05:18:12 <BlueMatt> speaking of which.... petertodd are we gonna see a CLTV pull like....yesterday?
 270 2014-11-07 05:18:27 <BlueMatt> I think most people would be in favor of that for 0.10, though it'd be a quick turnaround
 271 2014-11-07 05:20:14 <cfields> BlueMatt: sipa mentioned in #5212 that he wanted to map external flags to internal, and i assume he didn't want to do it 1:1. So I'm leaving that part to him
 272 2014-11-07 05:20:40 <BlueMatt> well, our isStandard flags should not be exposed
 273 2014-11-07 05:20:47 <BlueMatt> (and we might want to mask them out, actually)
 274 2014-11-07 05:21:07 * BlueMatt sees little reason to do anything more than expose enough to form consensus
 275 2014-11-07 05:21:18 <BlueMatt> (which requires a BIP62 flag, not all of the bip62 flags)
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 347 2014-11-07 07:37:57 <Guest17982> my friend says bitcoin does not involve encryption, but I disagreed with him
 348 2014-11-07 07:38:21 <Jouke> really?
 349 2014-11-07 07:38:27 <Guest17982> yeah
 350 2014-11-07 07:38:27 <Jouke> why?
 351 2014-11-07 07:38:36 <phantomcircuit> Guest17982, there is no encryption in the bitcoin protocol
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 353 2014-11-07 07:38:38 <phantomcircuit> there is hashing
 354 2014-11-07 07:38:41 <phantomcircuit> and signatures
 355 2014-11-07 07:38:44 <phantomcircuit> but no encryption
 356 2014-11-07 07:38:47 <Guest17982> he doesn't consider message signing to involve encryption
 357 2014-11-07 07:38:51 <sipa> it doesn't
 358 2014-11-07 07:38:52 <Jouke> it doesn't
 359 2014-11-07 07:38:58 <phantomcircuit> bitcoin core includes wallet encryption
 360 2014-11-07 07:39:05 <phantomcircuit> but that's optional and not part of the protocol
 361 2014-11-07 07:39:14 <sipa> for RSA, encryption and signing use the same mechanism
 362 2014-11-07 07:39:20 <Guest17982> I thought you signed a message by hashing it and encrypting it with a private key
 363 2014-11-07 07:39:29 <sipa> but Bitcoin doesn't use RSA; it uses ECDSA, which can only be used for signing
 364 2014-11-07 07:39:37 <sipa> Guest17982: this is correct for RSA, but we don't use RSA
 365 2014-11-07 07:39:45 <Guest17982> oh ok
 366 2014-11-07 07:40:01 <Guest17982> thanks for clarifying
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 389 2014-11-07 08:32:56 <sipa> cfields: with default options, libbitcoinconsensus.so is now 200kb here after stripping
 390 2014-11-07 08:33:16 <cfields> sipa: yep. 68k with lto :)
 391 2014-11-07 08:33:17 <sipa> with -flto -fdata-sections -ffunction-sections (allowing the linker to omit unused functions/constants), 83kb
 392 2014-11-07 08:33:23 <sipa> aha
 393 2014-11-07 08:33:58 <cfields> afaik, lto with fdata/ffunction-sections + garbage collect is redundant
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 395 2014-11-07 08:34:27 <sipa> seems reasonable
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 397 2014-11-07 08:34:33 <sipa> let me try just ffunction sections
 398 2014-11-07 08:34:37 <cfields> sipa: er, the 68k one might've been cheating with -Os though :)
 399 2014-11-07 08:35:33 <sipa> still 200k
 400 2014-11-07 08:35:37 <sipa> so you really need lto
 401 2014-11-07 08:35:49 <cfields> sipa: ffunctions just bloats without the gc in the link
 402 2014-11-07 08:36:16 <cfields> (you need to pair it with -Wl,--gc-sections)
 403 2014-11-07 08:36:18 <sipa> ah
 404 2014-11-07 08:36:46 <gmaxwell> whats the junk being left in? sounds like more code moving around is needed. :P
 405 2014-11-07 08:37:02 <sipa> not much, i think
 406 2014-11-07 08:37:09 <cfields> but yes, lto strips more than those for sure
 407 2014-11-07 08:37:23 <sipa> lto also unifies
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 409 2014-11-07 08:37:31 <sipa> header stuff that was duplication
 410 2014-11-07 08:37:43 <cfields> iirc ld still links in per-object, rather than per function. so without it, it can't be smaller than the sum of its objects
 411 2014-11-07 08:37:51 <cfields> *so without lto
 412 2014-11-07 08:38:08 <sipa> with just functionsection/datasections/linkergc it's 100kb
 413 2014-11-07 08:38:43 <cfields> sipa: ah, nice data point
 414 2014-11-07 08:39:05 <cfields> sipa: i built static libcrypto with lto as well, and linked to a final binary
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 416 2014-11-07 08:40:01 <cfields> that may be worth considering as well. it was a reasonable size. and lto means that we take very little of openssl, so the usual security moans are reduced somewhat
 417 2014-11-07 08:40:57 * Diablo-D3 is live streaming Mass Effect again, http://www.twitch.tv/diablod3/
 418 2014-11-07 08:41:45 <cfields> personally, i wouldn't be opposed to that for the gitian release. that makes it a drop-in library for 3rd party apps. Ofc distros would package dynamically linked solibs as always
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 425 2014-11-07 08:54:10 <wumpus> cfields: +1
 426 2014-11-07 08:54:38 <wumpus> a self contained library is very useful for clients
 427 2014-11-07 08:55:49 <wumpus> especially on windows, for example, where you cannot assume anything about dynamic libraries being installed in a globally visible place
 428 2014-11-07 08:57:24 <cfields> wumpus: i have a feeling everyone would agree with a self-contained dll for windows
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 430 2014-11-07 08:57:32 <wumpus> I also agree on linux
 431 2014-11-07 08:57:34 <cfields> the linux .so is the one i'm not sure about
 432 2014-11-07 08:57:46 <wumpus> as you say - at least for the gitian release
 433 2014-11-07 08:57:48 <cfields> i see the merit in both, so i'm not opposed to either
 434 2014-11-07 08:58:07 <cfields> sounds good to me, then
 435 2014-11-07 08:58:08 <wumpus> our bitcoind executable is self-contained too, would be kind of strange otherwise
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 438 2014-11-07 08:59:21 <wumpus> it needs to be easily loadable from something such as python ctypes
 439 2014-11-07 09:01:30 <cfields> time to catch a few zzz, nnite
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 441 2014-11-07 09:01:40 <wumpus> I agree that it is different if you just compile from source on the system you intend to run it on; in that case, having dependenies on the system libraries is expected
 442 2014-11-07 09:01:42 <wumpus> ok nn
 443 2014-11-07 09:02:12 <cfields> yea, in that sense i think it functions as expected
 444 2014-11-07 09:02:22 <wumpus> good :)
 445 2014-11-07 09:02:24 <cfields> a typical configure+make will have it depending on a shared libcrypto
 446 2014-11-07 09:03:07 <wumpus> anything I should review on short term to help this along?
 447 2014-11-07 09:03:43 <cfields> mainly #5212 as the prerequisite
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 449 2014-11-07 09:04:11 <cfields> other than that, and the api itself, i think the actual PR is pretty uninteresting
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 451 2014-11-07 09:05:31 <wumpus> ok
 452 2014-11-07 09:05:39 <cfields> the api stuff is here: https://github.com/theuni/bitcoin/commit/da18a0266c4de76c2a461cc2984aa2fa066c42f5
 453 2014-11-07 09:05:46 <cfields> i figured most discussion would revolved around that
 454 2014-11-07 09:07:03 <cfields> -d
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 499 2014-11-07 09:53:39 <SomeoneWeird> https://github.com/theuni/bitcoin/blob/da18a0266c4de76c2a461cc2984aa2fa066c42f5/src/script/bitcoinconsensus.h#L4-L19
 500 2014-11-07 09:53:40 <SomeoneWeird> windows :(
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 503 2014-11-07 10:00:13 <wumpus> SomeoneWeird: nah, marking symbol visibility makes sense on every OS, it helps exposing a specific and focused API, but yes the conditional is kind of ugly (and is almost half the interface header file... :P)
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 505 2014-11-07 10:00:49 <SomeoneWeird> wumpus: yeah, the if/else spaghetti was more what I was referring to :)
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 559 2014-11-07 11:24:38 <petertodd> BlueMatt: people actually want a CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY pull this soon?
 560 2014-11-07 11:24:41 <petertodd> wumpus: ^
 561 2014-11-07 11:26:26 <petertodd> BlueMatt: it'd be good for https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5000 to be pulled first, prior to CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY
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 565 2014-11-07 11:29:07 <petertodd> wumpus: I'd consider porting something like python-bitcoinlib to use libbitcoinconsensus to be an important pre-requisite to deciding the API can be frozen; gotta try it out in practice with real applications
 566 2014-11-07 11:29:47 <wumpus> petertodd: I don't consider it frozen in 0.10 anyhow
 567 2014-11-07 11:30:19 <wumpus> as you say, it will need some real-world usage and experimentation first
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 569 2014-11-07 11:32:26 <wumpus> that said - do you expect any problems with https://github.com/theuni/bitcoin/blob/da18a0266c4de76c2a461cc2984aa2fa066c42f5/src/script/bitcoinconsensus.h ?
 570 2014-11-07 11:34:28 <wumpus> the API is versioned, and currently version 0 - I think that's appropriate
 571 2014-11-07 11:35:28 <Luke-Jr> you mean 0:0:0 I hope? :p
 572 2014-11-07 11:35:42 <petertodd> wumpus: that's minimalist enough I'm pretty sure it's ok :)
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 574 2014-11-07 11:35:47 <wumpus> I'm talking about the *API* version, not a library version
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 576 2014-11-07 11:37:10 <petertodd> wumpus: it's been probably about ten years since I last messed around with a C(++) library; gonna have to re-read how linking and what not works these days
 577 2014-11-07 11:37:37 <wumpus> petertodd: to use C libraries from python, the easiest way is ctypes
 578 2014-11-07 11:37:50 <petertodd> wumpus: yeah, python-bitcoinlib does that for ssl
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 581 2014-11-07 11:38:05 <wumpus> ok
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 583 2014-11-07 11:38:15 <petertodd> wumpus: using them from within cython is also very nice; with a different set of tradeoffs
 584 2014-11-07 11:38:21 <wumpus> it also works with pypy, unlike hand-rolled bindings, that's cool
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 586 2014-11-07 11:39:07 <petertodd> wumpus: (well, using them within cython was very nice when I last did it in 2007 or something!)
 587 2014-11-07 11:39:25 <wumpus> (well, unlike hand-rolled bindings written in  C and using the Python C API, I mean)
 588 2014-11-07 11:41:14 <petertodd> a good next step would be to figure out how to package the block header validation into a C interface; something that tells you if a set of n headers in a row is valid is probably what you want
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 590 2014-11-07 11:43:44 <waxwing> what statements are referred to in the explanation for OP_IF when it says 'If the top stack value is not 0, the statements are executed. The top stack value is removed.'?
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 592 2014-11-07 11:44:09 <petertodd> waxwing: the statements within the OP_IF block
 593 2014-11-07 11:44:27 <Luke-Jr> how did the BIP 62 stuff-we-might-not-want-in-the-future get resolved?
 594 2014-11-07 11:44:41 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: you mean re; P2SH like things?
 595 2014-11-07 11:44:50 <sipa> Luke-Jr: i have a pull request open
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 597 2014-11-07 11:44:59 <sipa> and i have asked on the ml for.comments
 598 2014-11-07 11:45:07 <sipa> and nobody has responded
 599 2014-11-07 11:45:08 <Luke-Jr> petertodd: there was IIRC two rules that probably shouldn't be softforked for all future tx versins
 600 2014-11-07 11:45:18 <Luke-Jr> ML is too noisy :|
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 602 2014-11-07 11:45:43 <sipa> Luke-Jr: suggestion is to apply the optional rules only to exactly v2 transactions
 603 2014-11-07 11:45:46 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: I thought BIP62 purely applying to nVersion=2 was what we came up with
 604 2014-11-07 11:46:05 <sipa> please comment on the pr or the ml
 605 2014-11-07 11:46:19 <petertodd> a future P2SH v2 upgrade can always define nVersion=3 with reasonable rules for it
 606 2014-11-07 11:46:24 <sipa> i don't like the feeling of solely deciding what consensus rules will be!
 607 2014-11-07 11:47:15 <petertodd> sipa: indeed, and I noticed the BIP is lacking a section on "what to do if we need to add a new rule because we missed one"
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 609 2014-11-07 11:48:55 <petertodd> for instance, a little known mutability situation is where a CHECKMULTISIG has signatures that are valid in more than one order
 610 2014-11-07 11:49:16 <Luke-Jr> (only 0x01, 0x02, 0x03, 0x81, 0x82 and 0x83 are allowed) <-- this is already a rule, right?
 611 2014-11-07 11:49:22 <sipa> no
 612 2014-11-07 11:49:30 <sipa> it's a relay policy
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 614 2014-11-07 11:49:41 <sipa> but not a consensus rule
 615 2014-11-07 11:49:43 <Luke-Jr> oh, do we ignore unrecognised bits or something?
 616 2014-11-07 11:49:48 <sipa> indeed
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 618 2014-11-07 11:50:01 <Luke-Jr> so it's softfork-capable. but not really.
 619 2014-11-07 11:50:05 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: 0x81/0x83? you mean 0x06/0x07? (hybrid keys right?)
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 622 2014-11-07 11:50:17 <Luke-Jr> petertodd: that was a copypasta
 623 2014-11-07 11:50:18 <sipa> he means hashtypes
 624 2014-11-07 11:50:23 <sipa> not pubkey types
 625 2014-11-07 11:50:25 <petertodd> ah, right
 626 2014-11-07 11:50:34 * sipa flies to brussels
 627 2014-11-07 11:50:36 <petertodd> yeah, we allow more hashtypes than that, but hashtypes are signed so it's not a big deal
 628 2014-11-07 11:50:50 <sipa> still nice to fix
 629 2014-11-07 11:51:02 <petertodd> sipa: why? that limits soft-fork possibilities in the future
 630 2014-11-07 11:51:03 <Luke-Jr> I guess it's useless for softforks since OP_CHECKSIG's result can be negated
 631 2014-11-07 11:51:06 <sipa> cya in a few hours
 632 2014-11-07 11:51:08 <Luke-Jr> petertodd: ^
 633 2014-11-07 11:51:36 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: not at all, the hashtype can instead make CHECKSIG into CHECKSIGVERIFY
 634 2014-11-07 11:51:55 <Luke-Jr> hm, I suppose
 635 2014-11-07 11:52:24 <petertodd> Luke-Jr: anyway, constaining that is more code; I'm kinda dubious about adding code for trivial things like that
 636 2014-11-07 11:53:28 <petertodd> I'd be more inclined to go the other way, and constrain pubkeys in a "god I hope this is isn't a fork" change to make everything that openssl doesn't accept fail prior to sending it to openssl
 637 2014-11-07 11:56:27 <Luke-Jr> hm
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 681 2014-11-07 13:11:16 <sipa> it needs changing amyway, as the curfent text is ambiguous
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 715 2014-11-07 14:03:05 <petertodd> sipa: you also need to explain exactly when invalid signatures cause scripts to fail; remember that CHECKMULTISIG exits signature evaluation early
 716 2014-11-07 14:03:55 <petertodd> sipa: one reason I'd be inclined to take the approach of the CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY BIP draft and specify these details with code...
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 719 2014-11-07 14:05:21 <petertodd> sipa: oh! and actually, that would have been a way to exploit the CScript() thing too, as you could fork on the difference between a CHECKMULTISIG returning 0 and script evaluation failing due to to a non-d'
 720 2014-11-07 14:05:29 <petertodd> due to a non-DER-encoded signature
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 727 2014-11-07 14:15:34 <sipa> petertodd: isn't that clear? an invalid signature causes script failure
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 730 2014-11-07 14:17:12 <Luke-Jr> sipa: even for non-VERIFY?
 731 2014-11-07 14:17:43 <Luke-Jr> (it's a hardfork if we don't, but it should be explicitly said)
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 736 2014-11-07 14:24:41 <sipa> Luke-Jr: i believe it's said explicitly?
 737 2014-11-07 14:25:16 <Luke-Jr> sipa: maybe, I was just commenting from the discussion with that
 738 2014-11-07 14:25:18 <sipa> Doing a verification with a non-DER signature makes the entire script evaluate to False (not just the signature verification).
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 761 2014-11-07 14:53:56 <petertodd> sipa: not at all! an invalid signature that isn't actually verified because of a CHECKMULTISIG that fails early doesn't cause script failure
 762 2014-11-07 14:54:28 <sipa> petertodd: then read the f*cking text
 763 2014-11-07 14:54:50 <sipa> "Doing a verification with ..."
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 765 2014-11-07 14:55:01 <scoofy> hi.
 766 2014-11-07 14:55:02 <petertodd> sipa: I did - the meaning of the word "verification" is not clear
 767 2014-11-07 14:55:08 <sipa> ah
 768 2014-11-07 14:55:19 <sipa> right, i meant that as ecdsa verification
 769 2014-11-07 14:55:20 <scoofy> I have a question about GPU development... what tools usually people use to write GPU mining apps? openCL?
 770 2014-11-07 14:55:21 <petertodd> sipa: lots of people would assume any signature given to a CHECKMULTISIG is verified, but it's not as the verification loop will exit early
 771 2014-11-07 14:55:28 <sipa> fair enough
 772 2014-11-07 14:55:49 <sipa> well, every signature given to checkmultisig is verified :)
 773 2014-11-07 14:56:18 <Luke-Jr> scoofy: pretty much exclusively OpenCL, since CUDA is nvidia-specific and nvidia hw sucks
 774 2014-11-07 14:56:25 <Luke-Jr> scoofy: once upon a time, the bytecode was hacked too
 775 2014-11-07 14:56:26 <sipa> petertodd: ah, in case of an invalid one not
 776 2014-11-07 14:56:26 <petertodd> sipa: no! if signatures fail early on, the rest of the signatures are never checked, and in your current implementation, don't hit the DER-standardness check
 777 2014-11-07 14:56:27 <sipa> petertodd: true!
 778 2014-11-07 14:56:40 <petertodd> sipa: you could move that check to the FindAndDelete() code of course
 779 2014-11-07 14:56:43 <Luke-Jr> scoofy: note GPU mining is basically dead for 2+ years now
 780 2014-11-07 14:57:05 <sipa> petertodd: ewww
 781 2014-11-07 14:57:07 <scoofy> Luke-Jr, thanks. (i'm looking for a graphic application)
 782 2014-11-07 14:57:27 <scoofy> Luke-Jr, do you mean that the 'openCL bytecode' was hacked?
 783 2014-11-07 14:57:31 <petertodd> sipa: meh, it's once less edge case
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 785 2014-11-07 14:57:57 <wumpus> not 'openCL bytecode' but the miner was optimized in the specific GPU's assembly code
 786 2014-11-07 14:58:08 <Luke-Jr> scoofy: OpenCL is a programming language similar to C. it compiles to some GPU-specific architecture; in the case of Radeons, the Radeon-specific bytecode was hacked
 787 2014-11-07 14:58:17 <scoofy> ah, I see. thanks.
 788 2014-11-07 14:58:34 <scoofy> so the Radeon-specific bytecode was reverse-engineered, you mean that?
 789 2014-11-07 14:58:36 <Luke-Jr> this is because the Radeon architecture has a single instruction for a common part of SHA2, that the compiler was not using
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 791 2014-11-07 14:58:45 <Luke-Jr> newer compilers *do* use it, so it's pretty much a historical thing
 792 2014-11-07 14:58:52 <wumpus> scoofy: no need for that, it's publically documented
 793 2014-11-07 14:58:52 <Luke-Jr> AFAIK it's documented somewhere
 794 2014-11-07 14:59:06 <scoofy> ok, thanks for the info
 795 2014-11-07 14:59:32 <scoofy> apparently there's #opencl for me to get started! yay!
 796 2014-11-07 14:59:56 <Luke-Jr> scoofy: FWIW, if your graphic application can utilise massive high-latency parallel processing, I'd be glad to integrate support for it in BFGMiner
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 798 2014-11-07 15:01:17 <scoofy> interesting. I'll check it out.
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 846 2014-11-07 16:01:59 <coutts> i am not sure if anyone here has a say in the developer documentation, but at https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-guide#term-transaction-version-number the hyperlink on "transaction version number" is just a link to itself, sort of a dead link. I know the page warns it's still in beta so maybe this is of use.
 847 2014-11-07 16:02:26 <Luke-Jr> coutts: there's an issue tracker on github
 848 2014-11-07 16:03:42 <coutts> Luke-Jr: thanks.
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 864 2014-11-07 16:28:33 <chichov> how come the target (stored as an uint256) is checked for an overflow if the significand has the most-significant-bit set?
 865 2014-11-07 16:30:55 <chichov> I just don't see why this is done. For example, if we have 0x03800000 as nBits, then we get 2^23 (significand) * 2^(8*(3-3)), no problem.
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 878 2014-11-07 16:54:00 <jtimon> what's the current minimum output that anti-dust standard policy will relay?
 879 2014-11-07 16:54:26 <jtimon> sipa, it was more than 500 satoshis, right?
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 903 2014-11-07 17:16:57 <BlueMatt> petertodd: I think people did want a CLTV pull a month ago, though, as stated, it might be too late now
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 914 2014-11-07 17:26:20 <sipa> jtimon: yes, arund 500
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 923 2014-11-07 17:30:24 <sipa> (took me a while to realize that as well...)
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 937 2014-11-07 17:49:23 <Luke-Jr> can anyone review 5103? :x
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1071 2014-11-07 20:52:50 <sjouke> compilation fails with an odd error: https://gist.github.com/fikse/55cb29dafd0507751254
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1075 2014-11-07 20:54:00 <sjouke> g++: internal compiler error: Killed (program cc1plus)
1076 2014-11-07 20:54:02 <Luke-Jr> sjouke: that's a compiler problem; usually means you don't have sufficient RAM
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1080 2014-11-07 20:54:45 <sjouke> Luke-Jr: i am seeing this as well
1081 2014-11-07 20:54:49 <sjouke> thanks for the response
1082 2014-11-07 20:55:12 <sjouke> is there a recommended amount?
1083 2014-11-07 20:55:34 <Luke-Jr> "enough that the compiler doesn't crash"
1084 2014-11-07 20:55:42 <Luke-Jr> be sure you have 2x as much swap as RAM
1085 2014-11-07 20:55:44 <helo> are you using -j?
1086 2014-11-07 20:55:46 <Luke-Jr> Linux doesn't like less
1087 2014-11-07 20:56:11 <Luke-Jr> helo: haha, never build Linux itself with -j >_<
1088 2014-11-07 20:56:20 <Luke-Jr> took me minutes to recover from that… lol
1089 2014-11-07 20:56:40 <helo> heh
1090 2014-11-07 20:56:56 <sjouke> helo: i am
1091 2014-11-07 20:57:09 <helo> sjouke: try not using it... or using just -j1
1092 2014-11-07 20:57:19 <helo> i can't do -j2 without at least 2GB free
1093 2014-11-07 20:57:22 <sjouke> Luke-Jr: never build bitcoin on linux with j or never build the linux kernel with j?
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1095 2014-11-07 20:57:34 <helo> he means the kernel
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1097 2014-11-07 20:57:49 <helo> bitcoin with -j_ works great if you have enough ram
1098 2014-11-07 20:57:53 <Luke-Jr> sjouke: the latter
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1100 2014-11-07 20:58:05 <sjouke> adding ram and it's fine
1101 2014-11-07 20:58:10 <sjouke> thanks for the feedback
1102 2014-11-07 20:58:11 <Luke-Jr> helo: I meant -j<null>, not -j_ ☺
1103 2014-11-07 21:00:14 <helo> oh
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1109 2014-11-07 21:09:42 <cfields> heh, building bitcoin with -j<null> hurts too
1110 2014-11-07 21:09:46 <cfields> i've slipped and done that a few times
1111 2014-11-07 21:10:38 <cfields> it's useful for catching build races
1112 2014-11-07 21:10:43 <paveljanik> cfields: how it hurts? Unusable system for a while?
1113 2014-11-07 21:11:10 <helo> i bet it destroys ram
1114 2014-11-07 21:11:28 <cfields> paveljanik: yea, it spawns a new compiler instance for each source file, pretty much instantly
1115 2014-11-07 21:11:40 <paveljanik> and does it finish correctly?
1116 2014-11-07 21:11:46 <cfields> so a few dozen launches, then a fight to the death
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1118 2014-11-07 21:11:50 <paveljanik> do we have correct dependencies? ;-)
1119 2014-11-07 21:11:59 <paveljanik> it depends on your dev machine ;-)
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1254 2014-11-07 23:47:48 <tor2point0> Hi,
1255 2014-11-07 23:47:53 <tor2point0> I'm looking for a way to generate a public key from a private key with the principle of elliptic curves in sha256 site offers this service?
1256 2014-11-07 23:48:39 <xenog> You may want to try bip32.org, although it may do much more than what you need.
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1261 2014-11-07 23:51:25 <tor2point0> verry ty xenog  ;)
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1263 2014-11-07 23:51:43 <xenog> You're welcome tor2point0
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