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  49 2014-11-08 01:12:24 <sipa> cfields: i can do -j20 on my laptop :)
  50 2014-11-08 01:12:41 <cfields> brag :)
  51 2014-11-08 01:14:23 <cfields> i've benched it a few times. on my machine (oldish quad sandy-bridge i7), -j8 tends to be the quickest
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 139 2014-11-08 02:05:40 <earlz> So, what is the reasoning for not allowing non-final transactions into blocks?
 140 2014-11-08 02:06:29 <kindoge> it might be more "why allow them into blocks when they aren't spendable"
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 142 2014-11-08 02:06:42 <earlz> But they will eventually be spendable, so what's the harm?
 143 2014-11-08 02:07:32 <kindoge> yeah, but they're not
 144 2014-11-08 02:07:35 <kindoge> anyone can ignore nlocktime
 145 2014-11-08 02:07:47 <earlz> what?
 146 2014-11-08 02:07:50 <kindoge> nevermind
 147 2014-11-08 02:07:53 <kindoge> different thing :P
 148 2014-11-08 02:09:01 <earlz> I remember seeing some documentation abotu why it was chosen (and I think in bitcoin 0.3 and less, or some really early version, it was allowed)
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 160 2014-11-08 02:19:29 <sinetek> would it help multisig?
 161 2014-11-08 02:19:40 <sinetek> "spendable pending ____'s approval"
 162 2014-11-08 02:20:55 <earlz> sinetek: that's a different, but somewhat related issue
 163 2014-11-08 02:21:42 <earlz> I think the concensus for that is that the incompletely signed tx should not be allowed on the chain because it may never become spendable
 164 2014-11-08 02:22:01 <earlz> with locktime though it's different. It's guaranteed to eventually be spendable, even if it is ridiculously far in the future
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 422 2014-11-08 09:45:46 <wumpus> earlz: well the idea behind non-final is that they can be revoked by double-spending the inputs
 423 2014-11-08 09:45:59 <wumpus> earlz: if they would be put into a block, they're final
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 425 2014-11-08 09:47:26 <wumpus> if mined into blocks the only thing non-finalness would mean is that 'the output cannot be spend yet'
 426 2014-11-08 09:49:07 <wumpus> which has useful applications as well of course, incidentally it's exactly what the OP_CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY proposal does
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 444 2014-11-08 10:19:47 <chichov> sipa: how come the compact target representation has a sign (positive / negative)? The target should be at all times unsigned, at least so I think.
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 456 2014-11-08 10:36:10 <justanotheruser> chichov: the packed target you mean?
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 458 2014-11-08 10:37:10 <justanotheruser> the nBits?
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 460 2014-11-08 10:41:39 <chichov> justanotheruser: yep
 461 2014-11-08 10:42:26 <chichov> justanotheruser: no idea why anyone would put a sign bit in there
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 463 2014-11-08 10:50:44 <justanotheruser> chichov: I see no sign, only an exponent and mantissa https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/934b153a2caba4071a614e5b3ef40feeaff631d4/src/uint256.cpp#L254
 464 2014-11-08 10:53:18 <chichov> justanotheruser: it's exactly where you pointed out
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 466 2014-11-08 10:53:36 <chichov> pfNegative = (nWord != 0) && MSB of nCompact is set
 467 2014-11-08 10:54:31 <justanotheruser> chichov: that isn't part of whats returned
 468 2014-11-08 10:54:33 <chichov> and in L257 you have that the significand is "nCompact & 0x007fffff"
 469 2014-11-08 10:55:22 <chichov> well, it isn't set in the uint256, but it is in the parameters
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 473 2014-11-08 10:56:00 <chichov> justanotheruser: so basically next to the uint256 you have a flag bit for the sign
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 475 2014-11-08 10:56:04 <justanotheruser> I'll check, but I'm not sure the boolean parameters are used anywhere other than testing
 476 2014-11-08 10:56:23 <chichov> justanotheruser: and the question remains, what are these used for, if at all?
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 478 2014-11-08 10:57:09 <chichov> was it yet another foresight to cover all kinds of strange cases for other, yet unknown purposes?
 479 2014-11-08 10:59:05 <justanotheruser> CheckProofOfWork uses them to make sure the PoW is above the minimum
 480 2014-11-08 10:59:21 <justanotheruser> s/the PoW/nBits/ actually
 481 2014-11-08 10:59:22 <justanotheruser> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/723c7526368badda15df8ac1ffc047a0ab2e384a/src/pow.cpp#L79
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 518 2014-11-08 12:27:02 <sipa> chichov: i believe because satoshi just thought about this neat compact floating point representation, and implemented it, and only later realized that no sign was necessary
 519 2014-11-08 12:27:15 <sipa> chichov: or thought that it might be more useful for more than just target encoding
 520 2014-11-08 12:27:18 <sipa> at some point
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 522 2014-11-08 12:28:12 <chichov> sipa: that means when choosing a value for nBits, the sign must be always set to 0?
 523 2014-11-08 12:28:28 <sipa> you don't "choose" a value in the first place
 524 2014-11-08 12:28:36 <chichov> else, like justanotheruser pointed out in "CheckProofOfWork", it will fail
 525 2014-11-08 12:28:44 <sipa> it's the result of an algorithm, and as that algorithm always outputs a negative number, the result is wrong
 526 2014-11-08 12:28:52 <sipa> so in practice yes, the sign will never be negative
 527 2014-11-08 12:29:04 <chichov> sipa: the result of which algorithm?
 528 2014-11-08 12:29:11 <sipa> the difficulty computation
 529 2014-11-08 12:29:22 <chichov> aaahh, yea
 530 2014-11-08 12:29:35 <chichov> could you point out where that is in the code?
 531 2014-11-08 12:30:01 <sipa> GetNextWorkRequired in pow.cpp
 532 2014-11-08 12:30:14 <chichov> sipa: and what do you mean with "the algorithm always outputs a negative number"?
 533 2014-11-08 12:30:24 <sipa> ugh
 534 2014-11-08 12:30:26 <sipa> i mean never
 535 2014-11-08 12:30:45 <chichov> yea, thought so :P
 536 2014-11-08 12:30:51 <chichov> that'd really, really odd, hehe
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 538 2014-11-08 12:31:08 <sipa> just checking whether you were paying attention!
 539 2014-11-08 12:31:13 <sipa> actually, it was just a typo
 540 2014-11-08 12:31:15 <chichov> of course!
 541 2014-11-08 12:31:16 <sipa> or a thinko
 542 2014-11-08 12:31:47 <chichov> alright then, I'll have to include that in my documentation then
 543 2014-11-08 12:32:21 <chichov> sipa: thanks for your help
 544 2014-11-08 12:32:27 <chichov> justanotheruser: and thanks to you too!
 545 2014-11-08 12:32:28 <sipa> yw
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 547 2014-11-08 12:35:55 <chichov> sipa: is the proof of work limit (0x32 ... 1x224)?
 548 2014-11-08 12:36:16 <sipa> i don't understand that notation
 549 2014-11-08 12:36:22 <chichov> 32 times 0 and 224 times 1
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 551 2014-11-08 12:36:53 <chichov> which should be in decimal something like 2^225 - 1
 552 2014-11-08 12:36:53 <sipa> yes and no
 553 2014-11-08 12:37:04 <sipa> 2^224 - 1, actually
 554 2014-11-08 12:37:09 <chichov> ah yes
 555 2014-11-08 12:37:15 <sipa> but after conversion to nBits and converting back it's a bit less
 556 2014-11-08 12:37:18 <chichov> off by one's, notorious sneaky basterds
 557 2014-11-08 12:37:56 <chichov> due to less of precision, I suppose
 558 2014-11-08 12:38:21 <sipa> indeed
 559 2014-11-08 12:38:54 <sipa> 1 difficulty is around one in 2^48/65535
 560 2014-11-08 12:39:18 <sipa> so the actual target should be 2^256 / (2^48 / 65535) or 2^208 * 0xFFFF
 561 2014-11-08 12:41:38 <chichov> sipa: hm, where do you get the 2^48/65535 from?
 562 2014-11-08 12:41:51 <sipa> just a number i remmember
 563 2014-11-08 12:41:55 <chichov> I only know the relation Difficulty = MaxTarget / CurrentTarget
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1185 2014-11-08 17:27:07 <murr4y> hi all, i'm downloading the blockchain in a daemon but getblockcount has been stuck at 176781 for a while. getconnectioncount = 9 and .bitcoin/debug.log is silent - is there anything else i could check to see why it (seems to be) hanging?
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1192 2014-11-08 17:27:40 <copumpkin> gwillen: mind fixing nOgAnOo ?
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1195 2014-11-08 17:27:57 <murr4y> oh, i suppose no one will see this with nOgAnOo joinflooding :(
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1204 2014-11-08 17:28:29 <copumpkin> yay sipa
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1207 2014-11-08 17:28:59 <murr4y> \o/
1208 2014-11-08 17:29:25 <justanotheruser> sipa: ---> #bitcoin
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1212 2014-11-08 17:32:38 <chichov> hum, this might sound like a stupid question, but are bitcoin wallet's part of the bitcoin protocol?
1213 2014-11-08 17:32:53 <justanotheruser> chichov: #bitcoin
1214 2014-11-08 17:33:01 <chichov> justanotheruser: my bad
1215 2014-11-08 17:33:30 <justanotheruser> lol, just directed 3 people to #bitcoin in a row
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1231 2014-11-08 18:08:12 <elichai2> why nobody changing the Bitcoin client settings to remove spent transactions from the BC history? I mean it dosen't need any fork!
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1233 2014-11-08 18:09:49 <justanotheruser> elichai2: spent tx aren't in the utxo database, but to construct the database you need the whole blockchain
1234 2014-11-08 18:10:10 <elichai2> and it can't be changed?
1235 2014-11-08 18:10:23 <elichai2> i mean why i can't construct the DB only with the headers?
1236 2014-11-08 18:10:32 <elichai2> (and then add the unspent tx to it)
1237 2014-11-08 18:11:19 <justanotheruser> elichai2: because you can construct a database with a subset of another database?
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1239 2014-11-08 18:11:45 <elichai2> it's a question?
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1241 2014-11-08 18:12:05 <elichai2> i think you cna
1242 2014-11-08 18:12:07 <elichai2> *can
1243 2014-11-08 18:12:19 <justanotheruser> oh, I thought you were asking why you could. Yes, you can
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1245 2014-11-08 18:13:54 <elichai2> lol, i asked why nobody is doing that
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1248 2014-11-08 18:14:29 <justanotheruser> elichai2: thats what an spv client is
1249 2014-11-08 18:14:33 <justanotheruser> electrum, multibit, etc
1250 2014-11-08 18:15:01 <elichai2> no, i don't want headers only
1251 2014-11-08 18:15:10 <elichai2> i want headers, and all unspent txs
1252 2014-11-08 18:16:01 <elichai2> i don't see why not start working on it. it can solve the BC size problem...
1253 2014-11-08 18:16:11 <justanotheruser> answered in #bitcoin
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1256 2014-11-08 18:16:52 <elichai2> saw that
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1261 2014-11-08 18:26:21 <chichov> does anybody care to explain this line? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/3fd192f8b4d6db386354dfe635a8a6a105b55de8/src/qt/coincontroldialog.cpp#L522
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1268 2014-11-08 18:30:23 <justanotheruser> chichov: looks to add 34 bytes to nBytes for every output
1269 2014-11-08 18:31:44 <justanotheruser> not sure what the +10 is, maybe the version number + lock time + input counter + output counter
1270 2014-11-08 18:32:45 <chichov> justanotheruser: yet another heuristic, heh
1271 2014-11-08 18:33:17 <justanotheruser> chichov: works for now I guess
1272 2014-11-08 18:34:20 <chichov> justanotheruser: yes it does, but those estimates, especially for input sizes are really bad if you consider a 1-of-12 P2SH Multisig transaction :P
1273 2014-11-08 18:34:56 <chichov> which will get even worse, since the constraints on input script sizes will be relaxed
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1301 2014-11-08 19:17:03 <BlueMatt> cfields: can we add -Werror on travis builds?
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1304 2014-11-08 19:17:48 <cfields> BlueMatt: yep, i was just thinking the same thing after #5232
1305 2014-11-08 19:18:32 <cfields> iirc there are a few stupid harmless warnings to fix first, but i'm all for it
1306 2014-11-08 19:18:45 <BlueMatt> I havent seen a warning building bitcoind in quite a while
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1309 2014-11-08 19:19:36 <cfields> there's one stupid one because of an openssl macro
1310 2014-11-08 19:19:44 <cfields> and one in a test somewhere
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1316 2014-11-08 19:21:32 <cfields> i've been meaning to fix em, but they're harmless so i haven't bothered. this sounds like a good enough reason
1317 2014-11-08 19:22:36 <gmaxwell> just be mindful, that probably none of us are compiling with the exact version of GCC that travis has, so there will be some amount of churn when it hits a warning we don't get.
1318 2014-11-08 19:23:22 <cfields> gmaxwell: yea, i'd anticipate a few days of needing to add some -Wno-*
1319 2014-11-08 19:23:34 <cfields> also, i'd be more worried about clang
1320 2014-11-08 19:23:40 <cfields> (for the osx build)
1321 2014-11-08 19:24:16 <cfields> but either way, if something adds a new warning it'd be nice to know, only if the solution is to shut it up
1322 2014-11-08 19:24:23 <cfields> *even if
1323 2014-11-08 19:24:26 <gmaxwell> yea, should probably not -Werror on that for now. I'd rather not suss things up with a bunch of -Wno, I don't think we have many warnings at all now.
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1325 2014-11-08 19:25:21 <gmaxwell> yea, I'm fine with doing it. On other projects I have a single jenkins build with -Werror so that if warnings crop up I find out; though since it's a seperate build by itself its non-blocking.
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1331 2014-11-08 19:31:54 <gmaxwell> kanzure: bitcoin is now using that hosted travis stuff (guess we haven't learned from CIA) mostly.  I generally like jenkins, not for most of its features.. it's just a glorified cron with a web interface. It's ability to do cross platform remote launching is pretty good though.
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1335 2014-11-08 19:34:03 <kanzure> fwiw teamcity has returned a few years of life to me that jenkins once took, but it's not open source afaik
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1341 2014-11-08 19:44:30 <gmaxwell> ah, I've just never asked jenkins to do anything smart and it's never failed me ( .. in not doing anything smart. :) )
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1343 2014-11-08 19:45:41 <cfields> i never had any luck with jenkins in a large team setting
1344 2014-11-08 19:45:54 <cfields> always found it to be too reliant on the server-side config
1345 2014-11-08 19:46:18 <cfields> imo the killer feature of travis is that there's virtually none of that. meaning that all admin takes place in the form of PR's
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1367 2014-11-08 19:58:59 <kanzure> does bisect reliably work on the current code base, or is it littered with breakage?
1368 2014-11-08 19:59:04 <kanzure> *current commit history
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1371 2014-11-08 19:59:36 <BlueMatt> generally really good
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1373 2014-11-08 20:00:37 <kanzure> neat
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1375 2014-11-08 20:01:29 <gmaxwell> We don't merge things that fail the normal automated tests at least, and (usually) make people squash fixes in a pull that temporarily broke them and refixed them.
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1377 2014-11-08 20:07:11 <cfields> gmaxwell: which side of the "remove asserts()" discussion do you tend to favor?
1378 2014-11-08 20:07:16 <cfields> -s
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1382 2014-11-08 20:10:05 <gmaxwell> Uh.  (1) we should never have a side effect in an assert macro invocation, (2) we should probably replace assert() with our own that is never removed by compiling with NDEBUG; if so we can have side effects, but it may be preferable not to. (3) perhaps we should consider having an extra kind of assert that creates a .bitcoin/your_host_is_fucked  which bitcoin refuses to start if the file exists.
1383 2014-11-08 20:10:35 <cfields> heh, that last one sounds good
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1387 2014-11-08 20:12:01 <Yber> hi??hola??
1388 2014-11-08 20:12:03 <cfields> gmaxwell: for 2, would you consider making an exception for libs?
1389 2014-11-08 20:12:14 <justanotheruser> Yber: #bitcoin-es
1390 2014-11-08 20:12:16 <gmaxwell> (I've seen people have systems that were clearly corrupting ram, and they were bitching that bitcoin kept crashing while they kept restarting it and using a wallet handling large sums of money ...  ... "russian roulette isn't over, time to play again!")
1391 2014-11-08 20:12:21 <Yber> thanks!!!
1392 2014-11-08 20:12:24 <kanzure> ah "squash if it breaks tests at any point" is a clever strategy to preserve git bisect sanity
1393 2014-11-08 20:13:08 <cfields> gmaxwell: yes, i agree with all of that. it seems i misfired with my actual question though..
1394 2014-11-08 20:13:18 <gmaxwell> cfields: perhaps. Though it's reasonable to wrap assert in libs too. E.g. for never can happen errors, if a lib starts spamming stderr, it's not th end of the world.
1395 2014-11-08 20:13:46 <cfields> gmaxwell: for something like libbitcoinconsensus, how should we be handling assertions? It's narrow enough in scope atm that we can actually address it without having to go over the entire codebase
1396 2014-11-08 20:14:29 <justanotheruser> once done are libbitcoinconsensus and bitcoind going to be separate repos?
1397 2014-11-08 20:14:37 <kanzure> yeah i don't see any good reason to strongly couple error handling or problems to compiler flags
1398 2014-11-08 20:14:39 <gmaxwell> Not sure. The control flow impact of handling them as errors that return error stats is probably too much.
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1400 2014-11-08 20:14:40 <kanzure> (or asserts)
1401 2014-11-08 20:14:49 <gmaxwell> justanotheruser: I think thats a bad idea; other people may differ.
1402 2014-11-08 20:15:11 <kanzure> would a git submodule be less bad, or equally bad
1403 2014-11-08 20:15:18 <cfields> justanotheruser: it'd still take quite a bit of restructuring for that to happen, and i don't think many devs would be for it
1404 2014-11-08 20:15:24 <gmaxwell> cfields: I'd rather handling them with our own function that spams stderror and crashes the process.
1405 2014-11-08 20:15:49 <cfields> gmaxwell: ew, really?
1406 2014-11-08 20:16:14 <gmaxwell> I do, if we ever hit them the process is off the rails; better to crash.
1407 2014-11-08 20:16:21 <cfields> gmaxwell: that would have to be super-overly-painfully-stupidly audited before i could be comfortable with that
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1409 2014-11-08 20:16:25 <gmaxwell> Esp since the context the code is used in is security critical.
1410 2014-11-08 20:16:41 <gmaxwell> And if memory is corrupted you can't rely on returning an error not making things worse.
1411 2014-11-08 20:17:09 <gmaxwell> really we believe that code is all unreachable, just can't prove it. :)
1412 2014-11-08 20:18:09 <cfields> mmm
1413 2014-11-08 20:19:31 <cfields> gmaxwell: this comes to mind: https://rt.openssl.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=3488&user=guest&pass=guest
1414 2014-11-08 20:20:11 <gmaxwell> poster seems to agree:
1415 2014-11-08 20:20:11 <gmaxwell> "in the case of sever
1416 2014-11-08 20:20:13 <gmaxwell> problems "
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1418 2014-11-08 20:20:27 <justanotheruser> gmaxwell: care to elaborate on why it would be a bad idea?
1419 2014-11-08 20:20:32 <cfields> that's a good example of "this code is unreachable" goes off the rails. It probably was at one point, but after a few refactors it becomes reachable again and a forgotten exit() bites
1420 2014-11-08 20:20:57 <gmaxwell> if anything that we assert on in the consensus code becomes reachable its a security bug.
1421 2014-11-08 20:21:13 <gmaxwell> if we want we could make our macro code this into the name. (e.g. something_unreachable)
1422 2014-11-08 20:21:23 <sipa> justanotheruser: there are many low-level operations in libconsensus that are not exposed through the API, but are still very ysefyl
1423 2014-11-08 20:21:27 <gmaxwell> And in the case of a security bug, we'd rather exit.
1424 2014-11-08 20:21:29 <cfields> gmaxwell: that's completely unreasonable, though. a program may wish to try openssl, and move onto another lib/implementation if it fails. but in this case it can't because openssl calls exit
1425 2014-11-08 20:21:40 <cfields> fwiw, this is a real-world issue in libcurl
1426 2014-11-08 20:21:59 <gmaxwell> cfields: again, we assert on things that are _entirely off the rails_ not merely failing.
1427 2014-11-08 20:22:05 <gmaxwell> we return errors for mere failures.
1428 2014-11-08 20:22:17 <cfields> gmaxwell: also, i'm really not attempting to argue one side or the other, just arguing for the sake of thinking it through
1429 2014-11-08 20:22:23 <gmaxwell> If the assert fires the correct assumption shold be that memory is corrupted.
1430 2014-11-08 20:22:26 <gmaxwell> Sure.
1431 2014-11-08 20:22:26 <gmaxwell> I've got to go
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1433 2014-11-08 20:22:42 <sipa> cfields: i believe there's a difference between consensus code and others
1434 2014-11-08 20:22:43 <justanotheruser> sipa: Care to elaborate on why that is a problem with separate repos?
1435 2014-11-08 20:23:09 <sipa> justanotheruser: that's a problem with making one depend on the other, rather than one being part of the other
1436 2014-11-08 20:23:19 <hearn> it's not only screwed up memory that can cause issues
1437 2014-11-08 20:23:21 <kanzure> maybe something about consensus and the semantic meaning of version numbers
1438 2014-11-08 20:23:27 <kanzure> (for multiple repos)
1439 2014-11-08 20:23:33 <hearn> we have a number of ECC asserts in bitcoinj that fire only sometimes, and only on android x86 specifically
1440 2014-11-08 20:23:39 <justanotheruser> but bitcoind will already depend on the lib in the same repo?
1441 2014-11-08 20:23:39 <sipa> justanotheruser: it'd be weird to have 2 separate repos, and one project go use internal code from the other
1442 2014-11-08 20:23:44 <hearn> most likely there's a bug in the dalvik tracing jit backend of some kind
1443 2014-11-08 20:23:56 <hearn> (for x86, as it's much less tested than arm)
1444 2014-11-08 20:24:00 <sipa> justanotheruser: that can be solved, and i believe that over time we'll evolve to modularizing further
1445 2014-11-08 20:24:13 <sipa> justanotheruser: but it will require a lot more than just splitting a consensus library off
1446 2014-11-08 20:24:19 <cfields> hearn: heh, that sounds pretty close to debugging cosmic rays :)
1447 2014-11-08 20:24:20 <justanotheruser> ok cool.
1448 2014-11-08 20:24:57 <sipa> in totally unrelated news: red alert 1 is freely downloadable and runs fine under wine it seems :p
1449 2014-11-08 20:25:20 <hearn> sweeeet
1450 2014-11-08 20:25:29 <hearn> all those stupid wine bugs i fixed a decade ago suddenly seem worth it
1451 2014-11-08 20:25:53 <cfields> sipa: what would you think of working towards removing rtti/exceptions from libbitcoinconsensus?
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1453 2014-11-08 20:26:01 <cfields> not initially, but in some future version
1454 2014-11-08 20:26:03 <sipa> cfields: are there any?
1455 2014-11-08 20:26:09 <cfields> yes, both
1456 2014-11-08 20:26:22 <sipa> right, script throws exceptions sometimes
1457 2014-11-08 20:26:29 <sipa> i dislike exceptions :)
1458 2014-11-08 20:26:30 <BlueMatt> does anyone have an rpc somewhere to force reorg to a given block?
1459 2014-11-08 20:26:33 <BlueMatt> maybe Luke-Jr?
1460 2014-11-08 20:26:49 <sipa> BlueMatt: i had a very old one, but i could write one now easily
1461 2014-11-08 20:26:52 <cfields> sipa: same. and unfortunately the rtti was just added for the sig cache
1462 2014-11-08 20:27:07 <sipa> cfields: there's no sig cache in libconsensus?
1463 2014-11-08 20:27:27 <cfields> sipa: no, but we pass in a base class
1464 2014-11-08 20:27:27 <BlueMatt> no
1465 2014-11-08 20:27:35 <hearn> sipa: a reimplementation of the blockblacklist rpc would be really useful
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1467 2014-11-08 20:27:47 <sipa> should be trivial now
1468 2014-11-08 20:27:58 <sipa> i'll write one up
1469 2014-11-08 20:28:44 <sipa> cfields: what would be needed to get rid of rtti (and is it a problem to need it?)
1470 2014-11-08 20:28:49 <hearn> it's incredibly painful to test software under reorg conditions at the moment. you can write unit tests but that's never as good
1471 2014-11-08 20:29:17 <cfields> sipa: it's not really a problem, just a general reduction of complication and size to eliminate rtti/exceptions
1472 2014-11-08 20:29:46 <sipa> cfields: does using any dynamic binding result in rtti?
1473 2014-11-08 20:29:47 <cfields> removes a large source of possible unexpected side-effects
1474 2014-11-08 20:30:24 <cfields> sipa: afaik any use of virtuals/dynamic cast/typeid stuff, etc
1475 2014-11-08 20:30:38 <sipa> well, not planning on getting rid of virtuals
1476 2014-11-08 20:30:53 <cfields> i believe i managed to get it to compile by just nuking the sig cache and hard-coding the child class
1477 2014-11-08 20:31:00 <sipa> meh
1478 2014-11-08 20:31:30 <cfields> sipa: not a big deal to me either, was just a question for discussion :)
1479 2014-11-08 20:31:38 <sipa> if the code in script/interpreter was purely for consensus, yes please
1480 2014-11-08 20:31:51 <sipa> but it'll likely end up being shared with libraries that do more than just validation
1481 2014-11-08 20:31:57 <sipa> or at least, for now that is the case
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1483 2014-11-08 20:32:22 <sipa> maybe we can have some "very basic c++ code that just does consensus" and a more elaborate version of part of it for more featureful libraries
1484 2014-11-08 20:32:37 <cfields> sounds reasonable
1485 2014-11-08 20:32:38 <cfields> crap, bbl
1486 2014-11-08 20:32:45 <sipa> code duplication goes against any sane engineering practices though
1487 2014-11-08 20:32:52 <sipa> but maybe here it would be acceptable; unsure
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1490 2014-11-08 20:38:15 <sinetek> Should hash.cpp have a license header?
1491 2014-11-08 20:38:54 <sipa> yes
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1493 2014-11-08 20:38:58 <sipa> add one :)
1494 2014-11-08 20:39:30 <sinetek> K
1495 2014-11-08 20:40:05 <sipa> thanks!
1496 2014-11-08 20:40:56 <sinetek> I'll check the other ones to see if there are inconsistencies
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1507 2014-11-08 20:55:38 <sinetek> pull request sent. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5246
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1550 2014-11-08 21:51:32 <sipa> sinetek: good
1551 2014-11-08 21:51:34 <sipa> :p
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