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8 2014-11-11 00:12:31 <CodeShark> blocks;;
9 2014-11-11 00:13:18 <CodeShark> how do you get a list of bot commands?
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21 2014-11-11 00:35:28 <BlueMatt> "i told him everytime he uses the FPU in consensus code gmaxwell kills a kitten"
22 2014-11-11 00:35:33 <BlueMatt> I think this is +/- accurate
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27 2014-11-11 00:39:44 <gmaxwell> Whats the context there?
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29 2014-11-11 00:40:23 <gmaxwell> oh I see.
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56 2014-11-11 01:12:57 <sinetek> that's a good point, nothing should be assumed about floating points..
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61 2014-11-11 01:19:03 <cfields> sipa: looks like you saw a travis build error fluke today?
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75 2014-11-11 01:30:32 <sinetek> C++ quizz: Can you friend a global function?
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84 2014-11-11 01:55:38 <kryo_> hey shouldn't the sum of all "list unspent" be equal to "getbalance"?
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91 2014-11-11 01:58:30 <kryo_> oh, i guess the difference was due to an unconfirmed transaction
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313 2014-11-11 06:32:45 <wumpus> gmaxwell: yes
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316 2014-11-11 06:43:06 <sinetek> I believe I have found a bug
317 2014-11-11 06:43:23 <sinetek> qt/splashscreen.cpp:147
318 2014-11-11 06:43:33 <sinetek> uiInterface.LoadWallet is not getting disconnected.
319 2014-11-11 06:43:55 <wumpus> not even in the destructor?
320 2014-11-11 06:44:16 <sinetek> that is correct
321 2014-11-11 06:44:39 <wumpus> then it's indeed a bug
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459 2014-11-11 10:13:10 <sipa> cfields: indeed
460 2014-11-11 10:14:25 <elichai2> hey, there is no problem to use the 'master' branch daily use, right?
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462 2014-11-11 10:15:21 <sipa> elichai2: if you don't mine and don't receive transactions, i guess
463 2014-11-11 10:15:28 <sipa> otherwise i would recommend against it
464 2014-11-11 10:15:46 <elichai2> lol, kk, so i'll continue make my own branch :)
465 2014-11-11 10:15:59 <elichai2> (i'm commiting all the good and safe commits from master into it...)
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468 2014-11-11 10:17:45 <chichov> if in a nulldata output the value is bigger than 0, can it be claimed by miners?
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470 2014-11-11 10:19:25 <sipa> what do you think?
471 2014-11-11 10:19:43 <elichai2> BTW, the PPA version is on Git somewhere?
472 2014-11-11 10:20:25 <chichov> sipa: I'd say no
473 2014-11-11 10:20:35 <sipa> chichov: indeed; why?
474 2014-11-11 10:20:52 <chichov> sipa: because the script evaluation return's false?
475 2014-11-11 10:20:58 <sipa> indeed
476 2014-11-11 10:21:04 <chichov> I was wondering if there was any exception to this
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478 2014-11-11 10:21:08 <sipa> no
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480 2014-11-11 10:21:38 <chichov> someone once told me that it could be used to gather all kinds of small amounts lying around in the wallet
481 2014-11-11 10:21:55 <chichov> and then to give it away to the miners
482 2014-11-11 10:22:29 <chichov> sipa: is there any truth in that?
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484 2014-11-11 10:22:49 <sipa> chichov: sure; create an anyonecanspend output
485 2014-11-11 10:23:00 <chichov> sipa: yea, that sounds much more like it
486 2014-11-11 10:23:54 <chichov> sipa: alright, I'll correct that then, thanks
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504 2014-11-11 10:55:28 <wumpus> sinetek: please, just fix the bug instead of replacing the entire signals library
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538 2014-11-11 12:06:17 <michagogo> chichov: What you're thinking of isn't actually a spendable-by-anyone output
539 2014-11-11 12:06:31 <michagogo> I think you're thinking of something like dust-be-gone
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541 2014-11-11 12:07:07 <michagogo> Which is basically gathering up dust into a transaction that has a zero-value OP_RETURN output
542 2014-11-11 12:07:14 <michagogo> So the dust all goes to fees
543 2014-11-11 12:07:50 <michagogo> Optionally signing with ANYONECANPAY, so it can be combined with the transactions of others doing the same thing
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545 2014-11-11 12:08:28 <sipa> oh, of course
546 2014-11-11 12:09:03 <sipa> no need to actually create an output to send the coins to miners
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658 2014-11-11 14:44:27 <GalaxyMan> Are there any mass payout providers that accept Bitcoin?
659 2014-11-11 14:45:01 <justanotheruser> #bitcoin
660 2014-11-11 14:46:30 <GalaxyMan> trans-pay.com cross border payments
661 2014-11-11 14:47:12 <GalaxyMan> http://trans-pay.com/ cross border payments accepts Bitcoin
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676 2014-11-11 14:56:14 <coutts> repeat question from yesterday, im looking for a C library to generate keypairs, anyone know of one? all I've found is https://github.com/MatthewLM/cbitcoin
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678 2014-11-11 14:56:58 <sipa> https::/github.com/bitcoin/secp256k1
679 2014-11-11 14:57:48 <coutts> thanks sipa.
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703 2014-11-11 15:27:05 <michagogo> ://*
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745 2014-11-11 16:32:03 <jhns> hello
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751 2014-11-11 16:40:24 <jhns> what use does the check in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L3526 have? addrFrom sometimes is "0.0.0.0:0", so the address doesn't get added to addrman
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754 2014-11-11 16:42:19 <jhns> i.e., why would an address I accepted a connection from not get added to CAddrMan?
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756 2014-11-11 16:44:15 <sipa> addrFrom is the addr your peer claims to have
757 2014-11-11 16:44:25 <sipa> not the peer you see them connecting from
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759 2014-11-11 16:44:57 <sipa> so it may be bogus
760 2014-11-11 16:45:20 <jhns> sipa: yes, but why not just add pfrom->addr?
761 2014-11-11 16:45:37 <sipa> if they're behind a firewall pfrom->addr may be worthless
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763 2014-11-11 16:46:08 <jhns> sipa: okay, that makes sense. thanks!
764 2014-11-11 16:46:13 <sipa> or in case of an onion connection, pfrom->addr is just localhost
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920 2014-11-11 19:40:59 <joecool> hey since Luke-Jr hasn't been answering me -_-
921 2014-11-11 19:41:11 <joecool> is it safe to downgrade leveldb or will it mangle my wallet.db
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923 2014-11-11 19:41:23 <joecool> i have 1.17 and want to go to 1.15
924 2014-11-11 19:41:30 <Luke-Jr> why?
925 2014-11-11 19:41:47 <joecool> Luke-Jr: apparently i should not have been running 1.17 in the first place?
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928 2014-11-11 19:41:56 <sipa> leveldb has nothing to do with the wallet
929 2014-11-11 19:42:06 <sipa> it's only used for the blockchain database
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931 2014-11-11 19:42:37 <joecool> oh in that case i guess it's not a problem, worst i have to refetch/rescan blockchain right?
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933 2014-11-11 19:42:49 <Luke-Jr> right
934 2014-11-11 19:42:55 <sipa> reindex is the word you're looking for
935 2014-11-11 19:42:59 <sipa> and downgrading should be fine
936 2014-11-11 19:43:15 <Luke-Jr> 1.17 should be fine too
937 2014-11-11 19:43:26 <joecool> Luke-Jr: they why do you have the dep pegged to use 1.15?
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939 2014-11-11 19:44:16 <Luke-Jr> joecool: haven't updated it
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943 2014-11-11 19:44:31 <Luke-Jr> I should make sure our 1.18 isn't branched too, but I don't think ti is
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950 2014-11-11 19:47:22 <crypto_guy> i like to make a bitcoin wallet, where I can start do dev a wallet?
951 2014-11-11 19:47:49 <sipa> Luke-Jr: "isn't branched too" ?
952 2014-11-11 19:48:07 <Luke-Jr> sipa: is our leveldb 1.18 exactly identical to upstream's?
953 2014-11-11 19:48:11 <sipa> no
954 2014-11-11 19:48:13 * Luke-Jr wonders why upstream git is missing 1.18
955 2014-11-11 19:48:23 <sipa> they moved to github
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957 2014-11-11 19:50:29 <Luke-Jr> I wish we were using submodules instead of subtrees, so I could easily diff upstream to ours
958 2014-11-11 19:51:32 <sipa> well you can do the diff inside the leveldb repo
959 2014-11-11 19:51:39 <sipa> which has a branch with the upstream code even
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965 2014-11-11 19:54:45 <Luke-Jr> looks like our only changes are still Mac/BSD/Windows
966 2014-11-11 19:55:25 <Luke-Jr> now to make sure Gentoo's 1.17 isn't patching it
967 2014-11-11 19:56:55 <abrkn\\> i'm trying to write a spv client and am having a hard time wrapping my head around the major concepts. bloom filters allow me to receive only the txs relevant to me, i get how that works. i don't, however, have a clear picture how how to sync a thin client. where can i read more? have looked at bread's source and bcoin
968 2014-11-11 19:57:32 <Luke-Jr> abrkn\\: the bitcoin.org dev docs?
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970 2014-11-11 19:57:51 <abrkn\\> Luke-Jr: is that different from the wiki i've been reading?
971 2014-11-11 19:58:10 <Luke-Jr> abrkn\\: it's not a wiki at all
972 2014-11-11 19:58:28 <abrkn\\> Luke-Jr: my main issue is that once i subscribe to merkle blocks, i'm not clear on how to make sure they're consistent up to my checkpoint
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974 2014-11-11 19:58:40 <sipa> abrkn\\: 1) don't have checkpoints
975 2014-11-11 19:58:49 <Luke-Jr> joecool: adding 1.17 to virtual/bitcoin-leveldb
976 2014-11-11 19:59:04 <abrkn\\> sipa: how can a phone client not use checkpoints?
977 2014-11-11 19:59:42 <sipa> abrkn\\: i mean, that's an optimization you may want to do later
978 2014-11-11 19:59:47 <sipa> but they're not essential
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980 2014-11-11 20:00:47 <sipa> if you have a working mechanism, i think it'll be clear how to add checkpoints if you really need them
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986 2014-11-11 20:03:46 <abrkn\\> sipa: okay. theres a lot of good work done on js-crypto (bitcore, bitcoinjs-lib, bcoin), but poorly modularized and often abanondoned
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989 2014-11-11 20:06:36 <abrkn\\> sipa: i was hoping to extract bip37 and a proper bitcoin p2p client for a lib that'll make it easy to connect and communicate with a peer
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992 2014-11-11 20:08:34 <abrkn\\> was hoping to fork darkwallet, but that project has gone mad. they're adding every possible feature during alpha and seemingly failing to reach stability
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999 2014-11-11 20:14:43 <hearn> abrkn\\: you can review the code for bitcoinj
1000 2014-11-11 20:14:46 <hearn> abrkn: or just use it
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1004 2014-11-11 20:15:17 <hearn> crypto_guy: https://bitcoinj.github.io/simple-gui-wallet
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1006 2014-11-11 20:15:38 <hearn> crypto_guy: that has a video screencast on how to customise the gui wallet template in bitcoinj, by adding a labelled transaction list. if you're ok with that approach it should get you going.
1007 2014-11-11 20:15:57 <crypto_guy> hearn: thank you
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1113 2014-11-11 22:14:42 <dhill> sipa?
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1132 2014-11-11 22:33:55 <sipa> dhill: pong
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1140 2014-11-11 22:47:35 <dhill> sipa: libsecp256k1
1141 2014-11-11 22:48:23 <dhill> instead of abort'ing and dumping a core.. would it be better if functions took an "error" buffer which you can fill? that way if a function returns -1, check the error buffer
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1143 2014-11-11 22:50:13 <sipa> dhill: anything except the test code shouldn't abort unless there's an incorrect usage
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1145 2014-11-11 22:50:36 <sipa> which means your code is broken, and being able to detect it programmatically doesn't really make sense
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1150 2014-11-11 22:52:57 <sipa> dhill: secp256k1_ecdsa_verify is a bit special in that it returns different types of failure; are you talking about those?
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1157 2014-11-11 22:59:24 <dhill> yea
1158 2014-11-11 23:00:07 <dhill> basically, i was saying instead of crashing, return an error.
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1160 2014-11-11 23:01:01 <sipa> why? what would you do with the error?
1161 2014-11-11 23:01:15 <gmaxwell> dhill: there shouldn't be any case where it crashes which is anything other than an indication that your memory is corrupted/your hardware is totally faulty/or the software is seriously broken in a manner which could potentially cause irreversable loss. The verify functions return a result.
1162 2014-11-11 23:01:43 <gmaxwell> The assertiony failures are for cases which are 'impossible' in correct code.
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1164 2014-11-11 23:01:58 <sipa> gmaxwell: non-test code has no assertions afaik, for performance reasons
1165 2014-11-11 23:02:18 <sipa> the only assertions that should remain in the 'production' library are input validation
1166 2014-11-11 23:02:40 <sipa> so if you trigger one of those, the code calling it is not following the preconditions
1167 2014-11-11 23:02:41 <dhill> sipa: exit gracefully?
1168 2014-11-11 23:03:21 <sipa> dhill: why?
1169 2014-11-11 23:03:55 <sipa> sorry if i'm sounding obnoxious... but what would you do with the result? you should just fix the code
1170 2014-11-11 23:04:35 <gmaxwell> sipa: I thought it was doing things like checking the input pointers and sizes (e.g. if you get these wrong the code may well go around scribbling over your memory; or their wrongness means something already did)
1171 2014-11-11 23:05:03 <sipa> it means you're passing a null pointer, or didn't call secp256k1_start, or are passing a too long input message, ...
1172 2014-11-11 23:05:33 <dhill> say i pass it msg with msglen > 32, it aborts
1173 2014-11-11 23:05:57 <dhill> let the caller decide what to do.. don't bomb my app.
1174 2014-11-11 23:06:01 <gmaxwell> dhill: If that happens something is dangerously wrong.
1175 2014-11-11 23:06:10 <sipa> yeah, that should be better documented as a precondition
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1179 2014-11-11 23:08:05 <sipa> dhill: there are really few conditions like that, and they should be documented... but i really want to avoid code that at every point needs to check for conditions that don't ever happen in correct usage, and pass them along
1180 2014-11-11 23:08:42 <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, has anybody considered relaying transactions which collect dust into a single tx?
1181 2014-11-11 23:08:49 <phantomcircuit> er single outpoint
1182 2014-11-11 23:08:54 <sipa> the return values are there for cases where the input is invalid, but the caller cannot know that
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1184 2014-11-11 23:09:15 <sipa> the assertions are for cases where you're simply not using it correctly
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1189 2014-11-11 23:10:18 <sipa> gmaxwell: afaik, all functions that take a separate input and output argument deal correctly with them being pointers to the same location
1190 2014-11-11 23:10:29 <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: we changed the priority relaying rules a while back so that dust collecting transactions get a free pass on their signature size.
1191 2014-11-11 23:10:56 <phantomcircuit> ah
1192 2014-11-11 23:11:00 <phantomcircuit> didn't notice that
1193 2014-11-11 23:11:55 <gmaxwell> sipa: At least it needs doxygen comments on what is required.
1194 2014-11-11 23:12:01 <sipa> gmaxwell: agree
1195 2014-11-11 23:13:03 <gmaxwell> sipa: some kinds of callers, e.g. those in memory safe languages (or imagine someone exposing the interface to a sandbox) would obviously wrap and enforce the preconditions.
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1214 2014-11-11 23:30:29 <sipa> dhill: https://github.com/bitcoin/secp256k1/pull/99/files
1215 2014-11-11 23:31:15 <sipa> dhill: some functions are still undocumented, but for those that are, all conditions that could trigger an assert are listed
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1236 2014-11-11 23:54:37 <coutts> i installed bytecent, it's 32 bit so that is a bit alarming to me
1237 2014-11-11 23:55:05 <gmaxwell> sipa: after your comments patch, mind if I tender a PR that uses "__attribute__ ((__nonnull__(_x)))" and __attribute__ ((__warn_unused_result__)) annotations on the prototypes? These will make GCC and clang warn if their optimizer proves the caller is misuing the function in those particular ways.
1238 2014-11-11 23:55:15 <gmaxwell> coutts: wrong channel?
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1240 2014-11-11 23:55:41 <coutts> woops hah sorryr.
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