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  10 2014-11-12 00:07:11 * gmaxwell whistles at "Vulnerability in Microsoft TLS library could allow remote code execution" https://technet.microsoft.com/library/security/ms14-066
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  13 2014-11-12 00:09:20 <moa> yuck
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  15 2014-11-12 00:11:43 <Luke-Jr> gmaxwell: curiously, XP isn't listed - because it's abandoned, or unaffected is unclear
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  30 2014-11-12 00:26:12 <cfields> gmaxwell: i suppose i'm spoiled. I looked around for the patch to help understand the issue for ~5min before remembering where i was
  31 2014-11-12 00:26:48 <gmaxwell> cfields: hah. yea.
  32 2014-11-12 00:27:08 <Luke-Jr> XD
  33 2014-11-12 00:28:28 <cfields> sipa: did you notice any pattern/possible reason for your travis failure yesterday? Looked like there were a few random ones, but i don't see anything common between em
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 207 2014-11-12 04:27:05 <rgenito_> nevermind, i found this: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Accounts_explained
 208 2014-11-12 04:27:26 <rgenito_> accounts sound kind of stupid actually. or maybe the ambiguous name is an issue... maybe call it "groups" or "class"
 209 2014-11-12 04:27:34 <rgenito_> then again maybe it makes sense -.-
 210 2014-11-12 04:28:51 <Dizzle> Either way, I wouldn't rely on it for accounting for an app's users and such.
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 215 2014-11-12 04:31:50 <rgenito_> Dizzle, it doesn't sound like a scalable idea, as the wiki mentions
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 223 2014-11-12 04:41:32 <mrebola> Anyone know how to calculate the public bitcoin address from a Private Key in Hexadecimal Format ?
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 237 2014-11-12 05:07:40 <rgenito_> mrebola, i believe the wiki has that actually
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 245 2014-11-12 05:22:19 <Belxjander> it is on the wiki and the bitcoin-qt sources are on github along with other tools for the same
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 248 2014-11-12 05:28:19 <mrebola> thanks rgenito_ and Belxjander
 249 2014-11-12 05:31:32 <rgenito_> np :)
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 322 2014-11-12 07:49:45 <sipa> cfields: just saw one failure
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 327 2014-11-12 08:06:14 <BlueMatt> sipa: I thought the point of undo data was to be useful without block data?
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 338 2014-11-12 08:18:41 <sipa> BlueMatt: how so?
 339 2014-11-12 08:19:00 <sipa> you can fetch block data agin in theory
 340 2014-11-12 08:19:03 <BlueMatt> ie to be able to undo a block during a reorg without needing the block
 341 2014-11-12 08:19:30 <sipa> that would make undo data huge
 342 2014-11-12 08:19:56 <sipa> almost as large as the blocks themselves iirc
 343 2014-11-12 08:20:02 <BlueMatt> yes, roughly
 344 2014-11-12 08:20:07 <sipa> or like 1/2 of it
 345 2014-11-12 08:20:15 <sipa> now tjey're 1/10
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 347 2014-11-12 08:21:40 <jonasschnelli> anyone willing to help compile Bitcoin-Qt 0.9.0 on OSX, ./configure runs through, but no Makefile is present
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 349 2014-11-12 08:22:37 <sipa> did 0.9 even have autoconf already?
 350 2014-11-12 08:22:55 <jonasschnelli> sipa: yes. ./autogen and autoreconf -i was fine
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 353 2014-11-12 08:23:57 <phantomcircuit> sipa, yes but did it work on os x? no idea
 354 2014-11-12 08:24:05 <phantomcircuit> jonasschnelli, ^
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 356 2014-11-12 08:24:49 <jonasschnelli> hmm... wait. oops. I was suppose to use 0.9.3 instead 0.9.0 sorry for the noise.
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 360 2014-11-12 08:37:44 <jonasschnelli> hmm... same issue on tag/v0.9.3
 361 2014-11-12 08:37:56 <jonasschnelli> ./configure doesn't produce a Makefile.
 362 2014-11-12 08:38:06 <jonasschnelli> Maybe someone finds time to check my config.log (https://pastebin.mozilla.org/7262250)
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 369 2014-11-12 08:45:46 <phantomcircuit> run configure again and post the last few lines
 370 2014-11-12 08:45:51 <jonasschnelli> phantomcircuit ... hmm... configuring without qt works... maybe it's because i change the PKG_CONFIG_PATH manually... thanks. let me check
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 435 2014-11-12 10:37:32 <elichai2> why the bitcoin core stops me from making transactions with low fee?
 436 2014-11-12 10:37:55 <sipa> to prevent creation of transactions that won't confirm
 437 2014-11-12 10:37:55 <elichai2> I mean why not put a warning and let you click "proceed"
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 439 2014-11-12 10:38:30 <sipa> the software deals very badly with transactions that don't confirm... just allowing it would likely result in many unusable walets
 440 2014-11-12 10:38:39 <sipa> you can still use the raw transaction api if you really need to
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 442 2014-11-12 10:39:53 <elichai2> hmmm
 443 2014-11-12 10:40:00 <elichai2> BTW, thanks for the answer
 444 2014-11-12 10:40:06 <elichai2> (in issues)
 445 2014-11-12 10:40:38 <elichai2> maybe i'll change it in my fork of the client....
 446 2014-11-12 10:41:16 <sipa> 0.10 is likely going to reduce that minimum tx creation fee
 447 2014-11-12 10:41:23 <sipa> since the relay fee was decreased long enough ago
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 449 2014-11-12 10:42:42 <elichai2> wait, they do implemented the 'smart fee', right?
 450 2014-11-12 10:44:16 <sipa> the 'minimum' fee is for getting it relayed
 451 2014-11-12 10:44:29 <sipa> the smart fee is about how fast you want to get it mined
 452 2014-11-12 10:44:47 <sipa> nodes ignore transactions with too low fee, so you definitely need to meet that bar
 453 2014-11-12 10:44:56 <sipa> when miners pick it up is a different thing
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 455 2014-11-12 10:47:12 <elichai2> wait, miners ignore tx with less than 0.0001btc fee?
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 457 2014-11-12 10:48:10 <sipa> when the previous version of the reference client was released, *everyone* ignored transactions with less than 10k satoshi per kilobyte in fee
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 459 2014-11-12 10:48:37 <sipa> whether miners did or didn't wasn't relevant... your transaction simply wouldn't make it there
 460 2014-11-12 10:49:03 <sipa> that minimum relay fee was hardcoded, and reduced since
 461 2014-11-12 10:49:05 <nicknack> whats the status now sipa?
 462 2014-11-12 10:49:13 <elichai2> you right
 463 2014-11-12 10:49:28 <nicknack> ok
 464 2014-11-12 10:49:28 <elichai2> CFeeRate minRelayTxFee = CFeeRate(1000);
 465 2014-11-12 10:50:00 <elichai2>  /** Fees smaller than this (in satoshi) are considered zero fee (for relaying and mining) */
 466 2014-11-12 10:50:09 <gmaxwell> elichai2: nothing "ignores tx", fees below some threshold are treated as free transactions; to prevent nussance behaviors like paying 1e-8 btc more to just queue jump.
 467 2014-11-12 10:52:09 <elichai2> ok, I just didn't knew that. I'm working on anti-double-spend script. so maybe i'll add a function that checks that there is atleast 10K satoshi per KB
 468 2014-11-12 10:52:27 <sipa> anti-double-spend?
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 470 2014-11-12 10:53:18 <elichai2> yep
 471 2014-11-12 10:53:31 <sipa> how?
 472 2014-11-12 10:53:37 <elichai2> script that checks whats the probability of a double spend on a specific transaction
 473 2014-11-12 10:53:49 <sipa> how do you calculate that?
 474 2014-11-12 10:53:50 <elichai2> the first check is for conflicts in the mempool
 475 2014-11-12 10:54:11 <sipa> if there are conflicts in the mempool, you don't have the transaction
 476 2014-11-12 10:54:11 <elichai2> and then i check of "Blaclisted" addresses (SatoshiDice etc)
 477 2014-11-12 10:54:16 <sipa> are you comparing multiple nodes?
 478 2014-11-12 10:54:29 <elichai2> what do you mean?
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 480 2014-11-12 10:54:45 <sipa> if a transaction conflicts with your mempool, it won't be in your own mempool or blockchain
 481 2014-11-12 10:54:51 <elichai2> i want too
 482 2014-11-12 10:54:59 <elichai2> really?
 483 2014-11-12 10:55:02 <sipa> yes
 484 2014-11-12 10:55:10 <elichai2> so there is a way to ask for another nodes mempool?
 485 2014-11-12 10:55:14 <sipa> yes
 486 2014-11-12 10:55:21 <sipa> the mempool is always consistent with your blockchain and with itself
 487 2014-11-12 10:55:26 <elichai2> ammm in python-bitcoinlib?
 488 2014-11-12 10:55:27 <sipa> so it won't contain any conflicts
 489 2014-11-12 10:55:35 <sipa> don't know
 490 2014-11-12 10:55:45 <elichai2> ok, i'll look for it
 491 2014-11-12 10:55:48 <elichai2> thanks for that
 492 2014-11-12 10:56:10 <elichai2> another check I do if this tx contains forbidden OP_CODES
 493 2014-11-12 10:56:16 <elichai2> (like OP_RETURN)
 494 2014-11-12 10:56:22 <sipa> if it does, it won't be in your mempool
 495 2014-11-12 10:56:24 <elichai2> or contain bare-multisig address
 496 2014-11-12 10:56:27 <sipa> ok
 497 2014-11-12 10:56:43 <elichai2> no, i meant forbidden by only some pools
 498 2014-11-12 10:56:48 <sipa> ok
 499 2014-11-12 10:56:57 <elichai2> the Core dosen't forbid OP_RETURN
 500 2014-11-12 10:57:04 <sipa> indeed
 501 2014-11-12 10:57:06 <elichai2> (for my knowledge atleast)
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 503 2014-11-12 10:57:28 <elichai2> ammm and i'll now add fees check
 504 2014-11-12 10:57:39 <elichai2> and maybe i'll have more ideas
 505 2014-11-12 10:57:50 <elichai2> (if you have any i'll be glad to hear :) )
 506 2014-11-12 10:58:28 <stonecoldpat> ive been reading timedata.cpp and timedata.h to learn about network adjusted time, I was under the impression that the time stamp of the last 11 blocks had an effect on the network adjusted time, but I just can't find the code to support that idea - can someone point me in the right direction?
 507 2014-11-12 10:59:04 <gmaxwell> stonecoldpat: it absolutely doesn't, dunno why you'd think it would.
 508 2014-11-12 10:59:16 <petertodd> stonecoldpat: they don't; read the AcceptBlock() and similar code
 509 2014-11-12 11:00:28 <elichai2> sipa: and first i use the bitcoinlib Transaction Check https://github.com/petertodd/python-bitcoinlib/blob/master/bitcoin/core/__init__.py#L589
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 511 2014-11-12 11:01:03 <elichai2> petertodd: python-bitcoinlib allows me to pull the mempool from a node? (not use my mempool)
 512 2014-11-12 11:01:15 <elichai2> (I mean there is a function for that?)
 513 2014-11-12 11:01:45 <petertodd> elichai2: from another node? there's the low-level neworking code, but it's missing a lot of parts required to make it easy
 514 2014-11-12 11:02:09 <petertodd> elichai2: I'd suggest you look at the code here: https://github.com/icook/pynode2
 515 2014-11-12 11:02:52 <elichai2> i'll have a look on his code. thanks
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 531 2014-11-12 11:18:39 <stonecoldpat> I didn't think it did (was trying to confirm it with code)- i read it in a reference somewhere last week (trying to re-find it now), thanks for confirming it though :)
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 558 2014-11-12 12:16:48 <petertodd> stonecoldpat: the code is actually pretty readable and straight forward - getting all the edge cases 100% right is a nightmare of insanity, but the code is remarkably easy to understand at a basic level
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 820 2014-11-12 18:16:45 <heath> http://www.wallstreetandtech.com/trading-technology/is-fix-protocol-use-declining/a/d-id/1252798
 821 2014-11-12 18:16:51 <heath> does anyone have an idea what this "Bit Protocol" is and where more information is located on the interwebs?
 822 2014-11-12 18:16:58 <heath> he mentions it toward the end of the article
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 844 2014-11-12 18:27:31 <Luke-Jr> thoughts on using http://n.tkte.ch/ or something similar to restore bitcoin/bitcoin to #bitcoin-commits ?
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 855 2014-11-12 18:38:18 <cbeams> Luke-Jr: why not just use GitHub's own IRC notifications?
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 857 2014-11-12 18:39:11 <Luke-Jr> cbeams: because it connects a client for each time
 858 2014-11-12 18:39:17 <Luke-Jr> so you get join/part spam
 859 2014-11-12 18:39:31 <cbeams> Luke-Jr: there's an option to disable that
 860 2014-11-12 18:40:59 <Luke-Jr> cbeams: is there? well, either way, it'd be a nice thing to fix :p
 861 2014-11-12 18:41:42 <cbeams> Luke-Jr: yeah. it's easy to set up. we have it working nicely in #bitsquare.
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 920 2014-11-12 19:39:13 <dgenr8> sorry, ignore
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 950 2014-11-12 20:07:46 <mappum> has this proposal made any headway? https://gist.github.com/gavinandresen/88be40c141bc67acb247
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1013 2014-11-12 20:46:46 <sipa> cfields: travis master fails?
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1015 2014-11-12 20:47:35 <sipa> seems just to stop at 10000 lines of debug output
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1017 2014-11-12 20:48:09 <jonasschnelli> any ideas why i get error while gitian-building the master branch? I tried a OS X build and the log says "atomic_pointer.h": fatal error: "atomic" file not found.
1018 2014-11-12 20:48:45 <cfields> sipa: it's been weird for the last few days, i'm still trying to figure out what's happening
1019 2014-11-12 20:49:41 <sipa> jonasschnelli: isn't atomic a c++11 thing?
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1022 2014-11-12 20:50:20 <cfields> that sounds like it's missing the bdb atomic patch
1023 2014-11-12 20:50:26 <jonasschnelli> sipa i have no plan what "atomic" is. :)
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1025 2014-11-12 20:50:50 <cfields> oh no wait
1026 2014-11-12 20:51:00 <cfields> that's likely caused by the new leveldb
1027 2014-11-12 20:51:00 <jonasschnelli> something leads to port_posix.h
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1030 2014-11-12 20:52:04 <cfields> sipa: for some reason, win32 configure doesn't find qt, then continues to build, then ends up failing because it can't build/install bitcoin-qt...
1031 2014-11-12 20:52:19 <cfields> sipa: i'll PR a change that explicitly turns it on in travis, so configure will fail if it's missing and we can see why
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1039 2014-11-12 20:57:20 <sinetek> sounds like a boost error.
1040 2014-11-12 20:57:22 <sinetek> eh.
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1043 2014-11-12 20:59:34 <sipa> :p
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1045 2014-11-12 21:00:37 <cfields> the atomic thing is 99% due to the fact that leveldb now uses c++11 atomics if it can
1046 2014-11-12 21:00:57 <cfields> there's something about your env that gets the switch turned on, but then it doesn't end up working
1047 2014-11-12 21:01:08 <cfields> *99% likely
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1050 2014-11-12 21:01:51 <jonasschnelli> cfields, gitian building for osx: can i just build the three gitian-osx-* descriptors and move them to the inputs/ or do i have to build also the other deps?
1051 2014-11-12 21:02:32 <cfields> jonasschnelli: no clue for osx. i didn't even realize it worked there
1052 2014-11-12 21:02:47 <cfields> jonasschnelli: what's your reason for building master+gitian atm?
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1054 2014-11-12 21:03:32 <cfields> jonasschnelli: but in general yes, you need to build the deps first, in the correct order
1055 2014-11-12 21:03:48 <jonasschnelli> fields no, i'm building in a debian VM after laanwj's doc/gitian-building.md
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1057 2014-11-12 21:04:36 <jonasschnelli> cfields: reason, i'd like to test some issues to see if there are differences between my local osx builds and the build coming out of gitian-build vm
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1060 2014-11-12 21:05:07 <jonasschnelli> cfields: (reason2: and also to come more into gitian)
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1063 2014-11-12 21:05:30 <cfields> jonasschnelli: the reason i ask is that the current gitian build process is about to be obsoleted by #4727
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1065 2014-11-12 21:07:12 <cfields> sipa: hard-coded test is running now on travis. I'll track down the problem and PR the fix asap
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1068 2014-11-12 21:11:09 <jonasschnelli> fields okay... let me read 4727. thanks
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1140 2014-11-12 22:18:10 <cfields> sipa: aha, got it. mingw's running out of mem and ICE'ing
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1155 2014-11-12 22:34:07 <phantomcircuit> can i scrub an unconfirmed transaction easily?
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1204 2014-11-12 23:29:42 <cfields> sipa: See #5268. If that builds successfully, please consider merging it with some priority, since it's likely to cause failures for other PRs in the meantime
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