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 101 2014-11-27 02:18:02 <op_null> is there anybody around that I could talk to about the API limitations on history?
 102 2014-11-27 02:18:43 <op_null> getting around them without being abusive to reddit's servers, ideally.
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 239 2014-11-27 04:41:11 <xilanma> is there any way to manually trigger block verification on a specific block?
 240 2014-11-27 04:41:37 <xilanma> without deleting the whole blockchain :P
 241 2014-11-27 04:43:04 <gmaxwell> xilanma: no. Why do you believe you need to?
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 243 2014-11-27 04:44:21 <xilanma> i am writing a python function to validate blocks and failing at a specific block
 244 2014-11-27 04:44:27 <xilanma> would be helpful for debugging
 245 2014-11-27 04:45:18 <gmaxwell> xilanma: bitcoin core doesn't have the data to verify an arbritary prior block. The only way to do so is to rewind the state back to that point.
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 247 2014-11-27 04:46:32 <gmaxwell> There are some debugging commands in a pull for git master to do the rewind. e.g. you could invalidate the block before it then revalidate it and it will go and connect them all again. Though on the mainnet its quite slow to do this if you're talking far back.
 248 2014-11-27 04:46:45 <xilanma> ok
 249 2014-11-27 04:46:48 <gmaxwell> xilanma: What is your block validation code for?
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 252 2014-11-27 04:53:16 <xilanma> gmaxwell: just for fun
 253 2014-11-27 04:53:21 <xilanma> learning
 254 2014-11-27 04:53:39 <xilanma> is there a way to truncate the blockchain up to height / hash  X ?
 255 2014-11-27 04:54:01 <gmaxwell> you could use linearize.py to make a bootstrap file.
 256 2014-11-27 04:54:23 <xilanma> ok I will have a look :)
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 258 2014-11-27 04:55:57 <BlueMatt> is there a reason our python test scripts arent "#! /usr/bin/env python2" instead of "#! /usr/bin/env python" ?
 259 2014-11-27 04:56:35 <gmaxwell> sipa: re the printblocktree stuff,  if I added an alternativenextblockhashs to getblock rpc do you think that would be reasonable?
 260 2014-11-27 04:57:01 <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: is paython2 an alias on all hosts? (even apples?)
 261 2014-11-27 04:59:44 <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: nfc, but it seems python3 is the default on many systems, so...we need something...
 262 2014-11-27 05:00:09 <BlueMatt> maybe we need to make a system-specific softlink in configure?
 263 2014-11-27 05:05:17 <gmaxwell> 'python2' works on my hosts, I just don't know if thats the norm or not.
 264 2014-11-27 05:06:52 <BlueMatt> python specifiies that python /should/ point to python2, and that both python2 and python3 should be avilable (obv given install)...but not all distros (actually really apparently only arch's python maintainers are idiots) seem to follow the python->python2 convention
 265 2014-11-27 05:07:11 <BlueMatt> really just a question of osx, I'd bet
 266 2014-11-27 05:08:09 <BlueMatt> specifically, arch decided to move everyone to python3 and pointed the symlink, then python added a pep that declared python should always point to python2, so....
 267 2014-11-27 05:08:23 <BlueMatt> anyway, I'll propose it and see if gavin's machines break
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 272 2014-11-27 05:18:23 <wumpus> looks like python2 works fine on debian and ubuntu boxes
 273 2014-11-27 05:18:36 <Luke-Jr> should just fix the scripts to use Python3..
 274 2014-11-27 05:19:32 <wumpus> that does not change the problem of not knowing the name of the interpreter a bit
 275 2014-11-27 05:19:35 <BlueMatt> heyyyyyy, the irs finally got me that 2013 tax refund.....
 276 2014-11-27 05:19:38 <BlueMatt> ass holes
 277 2014-11-27 05:19:42 <wumpus> woohoo
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 279 2014-11-27 05:20:42 <BlueMatt> only 10$ /more/ than I filed for????!
 280 2014-11-27 05:20:59 <BlueMatt> "We made changes to your tax return that changed the amount of your refund."
 281 2014-11-27 05:21:01 <BlueMatt> ok...then
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 283 2014-11-27 05:21:29 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: well it would if the scripts work in python2 *and* 3 regardless, but that makes testing much worse as you'd have to test the tests with multiple python versions... I don't like where that's going :)
 284 2014-11-27 05:22:22 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: Python2 is obsolete ;)
 285 2014-11-27 05:23:40 <BlueMatt> Luke-Jr: HAH!
 286 2014-11-27 05:24:32 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: yes, in principle it is, but it doesn't hurt to have a bit of backwards compatibility
 287 2014-11-27 05:24:51 <Luke-Jr> wumpus: hey, you're the one who was arguing against supporting both :P
 288 2014-11-27 05:25:04 <Luke-Jr> IMO makes no sense to support Python2 but NOT python3
 289 2014-11-27 05:25:32 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: yes I usually argue againse 'lowest common denominator subsets', just choose one and go with it, but we don't really require any python3 specific features so there's no use in requiring it
 290 2014-11-27 05:26:16 <wumpus> Luke-Jr: but at a certain point in time that makes sense, sure
 291 2014-11-27 05:26:20 <BlueMatt> Luke-Jr: last I checked python2 was gonna get support for...ever pretty much, and since our scripts are already python2...might as well keep it that way
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 293 2014-11-27 05:27:09 <apos> hi
 294 2014-11-27 05:27:18 <wumpus> that said, I usually write my python2 code in a way that's easy to port over to python3 when the need arises
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 296 2014-11-27 05:29:29 <wumpus> hey
 297 2014-11-27 05:29:35 <tdlfbx> I just bit the bullet and dumped python2 completely.  Occasionally I get tripped up, but converting my code wasn't hard at all.
 298 2014-11-27 05:29:52 <tdlfbx> 95% is print()
 299 2014-11-27 05:30:03 <wumpus> unicode/bytes handling is the rest
 300 2014-11-27 05:30:43 <tdlfbx> A couple subtle things with iterators and some libraries (itertools) too, but that's < 1%.
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 302 2014-11-27 05:31:22 <tdlfbx> Just import future and you're good.
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 313 2014-11-27 05:51:26 <apos> I am new to bitcoin. can someone help me understand how bitcoin transaction is validated by a node?
 314 2014-11-27 05:51:58 <apos> does a full node check entire block chain to validate inputs of a transaction?
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 316 2014-11-27 05:56:37 <wumpus> well, yes and no
 317 2014-11-27 05:56:51 <wumpus> it checks the entire block chain and keeps a running state called the utxo, the set of unspent outputs
 318 2014-11-27 05:56:58 <wumpus> it verifies new transactions against that
 319 2014-11-27 06:01:40 <wumpus> it first checks a transaction for basic validity, then it looks up the hash,vout from transaction inputs in that database, makes sure some integrity checks pass (such as not spending more than available), then verifies the combination of the input script with the output script in the txout (for each input),  and if that passes, then the transaction validates
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 341 2014-11-27 06:36:46 <gmaxwell> sipa: so there is some poor interaction with getchaintips and headers first that can make the main chain look like a fork.
 342 2014-11-27 06:38:46 <gmaxwell> dunno if it's really all that important.
 343 2014-11-27 06:40:29 <wumpus> interesting
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 361 2014-11-27 07:23:17 <wumpus> getchaintips works fine here, no branches longer than 1
 362 2014-11-27 07:23:36 <wumpus> so the confusion is not consistent
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 366 2014-11-27 07:26:44 <gmaxwell> nah, I think it's just when headers is ahead of blocks.
 367 2014-11-27 07:27:01 <gmaxwell> e.g. my testnet node claimed the main chain was a 4917 block fork right after it started.
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 394 2014-11-27 08:12:31 <kefkius> Is there an example of bitcoin-tx usage for setting a register? Or barring that, how should JSON-STRING look in bash for this command: "set=NAME:JSON-STRING"?
 395 2014-11-27 08:16:30 <Luke-Jr> BlueMatt: btw, that PEP comment seems unfair: 1) Arch's python symlink predates the PEP, 2) the PEP says scripts should use python2 anyway, so we're in just as much "violation" of it prior to that PR, and 3) PEPs sometimes have bad advice
 396 2014-11-27 08:17:07 <BlueMatt> Luke-Jr: sure, sure...though the pep was in response to arch's strange choice of python symlink
 397 2014-11-27 08:17:28 <BlueMatt> which (clearly) breaks things, and arch should have reverted to the standard once there was one
 398 2014-11-27 08:17:36 <Luke-Jr> BlueMatt: it's not strange, Python 3 has been out for 6 years
 399 2014-11-27 08:17:36 <BlueMatt> (they put in effort, apparently, to not depend on it, so....)
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 401 2014-11-27 08:17:53 <BlueMatt> its strange in that they're the only ones who do it
 402 2014-11-27 08:17:56 <Luke-Jr> they're not.
 403 2014-11-27 08:18:18 <BlueMatt> oh
 404 2014-11-27 08:19:01 <Luke-Jr> it's a sysadmin choice on Gentoo (I think defaulting to first-installed), and I would imagine on Debian too (since they tend to have this same kind of configuration thing)
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 418 2014-11-27 08:40:24 <sipa> wumpus, gmaxwell: getchaintips returning not-yet-connected chains deriving from the active chain as 'fork' seems reasonable; i'm not sure what the solution is
 419 2014-11-27 08:40:33 <sipa> as there may effectively be more than one of those
 420 2014-11-27 08:41:27 <gmaxwell> hm funny thing about getchaintips  is say you're on a fork a bunch of blocks back, because the longest chain is invalid. you get results like
 421 2014-11-27 08:41:30 <gmaxwell>        "branchlen" : 86821
 422 2014-11-27 08:41:32 <gmaxwell>         "branchlen" : 56967
 423 2014-11-27 08:41:35 <gmaxwell>         "branchlen" : 53896
 424 2014-11-27 08:41:37 <gmaxwell>         "branchlen" : 53649
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 426 2014-11-27 08:42:05 <sipa> well... we could report the whole tree rather than just the lengths :)
 427 2014-11-27 08:42:09 <gmaxwell> because all the 1 block forks on the invalid longest fork are measured in height difference relative to your current chain and not where they last branch.  Which is probably right but surprising.
 428 2014-11-27 08:42:41 <sipa> gmaxwell: on #5382 you comment that there is no way to find out about orphaned blocks... getchaintips does that, no?
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 430 2014-11-27 08:43:17 <gmaxwell> sipa: I updated my comment.
 431 2014-11-27 08:43:32 <gmaxwell> I realized getchaintips did this just a bit after commenting.
 432 2014-11-27 08:43:45 <gmaxwell> (which is also why I've been screwing around with it, I'd forgotten about it.
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 437 2014-11-27 08:47:46 <wumpus> yes ACK on removing printblocktree, avoids the 'oh this exists too and is broken' next time
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 443 2014-11-27 08:50:42 <gmaxwell> it seems useless in any case, everything it tells you is available via rpc and it's slow enough that rpc is probably not much worse.
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 446 2014-11-27 08:51:57 <paveljanik> and can be used only as an cmdline argument and exits immediately.
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 448 2014-11-27 08:56:47 <sipa> do we want -printblock ?
 449 2014-11-27 08:57:35 <gmaxwell> sipa: nope, I think that can go too.
 450 2014-11-27 08:57:35 <sipa> it prints the header of a block whose hash in hex starts with a particular passed string
 451 2014-11-27 08:57:39 <sipa> ack
 452 2014-11-27 08:57:40 <wumpus> I suppose not
 453 2014-11-27 08:57:45 <sipa> getblock is superior iirc
 454 2014-11-27 08:57:49 <sipa> and faster
 455 2014-11-27 08:59:15 <wumpus> if RPC can handle it there is no use in having a command line option, I suppose this stuff is for debugging database problems when the daemon refuses to start up, but it's far from useful enough for that to warrant being maintained
 456 2014-11-27 08:59:36 <gmaxwell> darn bitcoin-qt merge.
 457 2014-11-27 08:59:44 <wumpus> ?
 458 2014-11-27 09:00:12 <sipa> gmaxwell: screwed up history huh?
 459 2014-11-27 09:00:12 <gmaxwell> I was going to jokingly say we should git blame | grep Satoshi and remove anything that comes up; but the qt merge seems to have misattributed all those old lines. :P
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 461 2014-11-27 09:01:08 <sipa> so for getchaintips... i guess the question wrt headersfirst is: do we want it to report headers-only branches at all?
 462 2014-11-27 09:01:15 <wumpus> well we could rewrite history using filter-branch *ducks*
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 495 2014-11-27 09:42:24 <damethos> quick q: what does confirmations: -1 means if I do a bitcoind getblock <hash> ?
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 499 2014-11-27 09:45:49 <midnightmagic> orphaned block i think
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 501 2014-11-27 09:46:39 <wumpus> a block that is not on the main chain
 502 2014-11-27 09:48:43 <damethos> cheers
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 508 2014-11-27 09:54:08 <damethos> is it possible for a block to exist in a side chain forever? does that make sense? For example if a block forked the chain at a point way back in the chain and no re-org is triggered and the block just, sits there but it never becomes orphaned since no re-org is triggered
 509 2014-11-27 09:55:19 <Magicking`> Since a side chain is not meant to be forever, it does not make sense I guess
 510 2014-11-27 09:56:04 <sipa> damethos: that doesn't make sense
 511 2014-11-27 09:56:22 <sipa> damethos: there is only ever one active chain tip
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 513 2014-11-27 09:56:39 <sipa> either it's your fork, and to move to another a reorg happens
 514 2014-11-27 09:56:45 <sipa> or it is not your fork, and nobody cares
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 517 2014-11-27 09:58:37 <damethos> I understand. The reason I am asking is that i am parsing the bitcoind blk files, and i see every now and then that even though i might be at chain height 1000 , i suddenly face a block that forks the chain on some really old block height (even 500 blocks behind) and I am trying to make sense of this. The height number are just an example
 518 2014-11-27 09:59:02 <damethos> *height numbers
 519 2014-11-27 09:59:40 <sipa> there can be old forked branches in the blk files yes
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 521 2014-11-27 10:01:34 <damethos> but why are the block data in the blk file newer than block height 1001 ?
 522 2014-11-27 10:02:10 <sipa> the block files are append only
 523 2014-11-27 10:02:15 <sipa> they contain all blocks we ever downloaded
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 525 2014-11-27 10:05:05 <damethos> i see. Pain in the ass for my parser :) I now face something like this:
 526 2014-11-27 10:05:09 <damethos> INFO  parser.core - Chain now is 213576 blocks high
 527 2014-11-27 10:05:09 <damethos> INFO  parser.core - Ignoring deep fork at height 213072/block 00000000a2452fdb50ecc9d0e4a36833d194a2cd03259b5ce2ed1d82404903f3
 528 2014-11-27 10:05:29 <damethos> which is wrong cause that block is on the main chain
 529 2014-11-27 10:07:10 <sipa> why do you consider it to be a fork?
 530 2014-11-27 10:07:13 <damethos> i am just trying to understand why those 500 blocks between 213072 and 213576 were appended in the files before 00000000a2452fdb50ecc9d0e4a36833d194a2cd03259b5ce2ed1d82404903f3 which belongs in the main chain
 531 2014-11-27 10:07:55 <damethos> i consider a fork the block that has less total work than chain head
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 533 2014-11-27 10:08:13 <sipa> are you using git master?
 534 2014-11-27 10:08:29 <sipa> git master downloads blocks out-of-order for higher throughput
 535 2014-11-27 10:08:36 <sipa> so they end up on disk out of order too
 536 2014-11-27 10:08:38 <damethos> tbh i got these blk dat files from an older bitcoind that i had running for some time now
 537 2014-11-27 10:08:47 <sipa> up to 0.9.3 they were always in order
 538 2014-11-27 10:09:27 <damethos> i think these blk files i have are from version 90201
 539 2014-11-27 10:09:45 <sipa> oh, there can always be garbage in the files too
 540 2014-11-27 10:10:00 <sipa> if the node crashes after downloading but before updating indexes or so
 541 2014-11-27 10:10:13 <damethos> yeah but these are perfectly parsable blocks, they dont look garbage
 542 2014-11-27 10:10:25 <sipa> garbage will very likely look like blocks :)
 543 2014-11-27 10:10:25 <damethos> or at least to me they dont
 544 2014-11-27 10:10:28 <damethos> heh
 545 2014-11-27 10:10:33 <sipa> as the only thing written to the files is blocks
 546 2014-11-27 10:10:35 <damethos> any tips how to identify them?
 547 2014-11-27 10:11:13 <sipa> you can just parse them... as long as their PoW works out, you're likely fine
 548 2014-11-27 10:11:40 <sipa> but be aware that the same block may appear later again
 549 2014-11-27 10:11:48 <sipa> perhaps preceded by older blocks first
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 551 2014-11-27 10:12:55 <gmaxwell> block files are not really a good external interface. :)
 552 2014-11-27 10:15:21 <damethos> i see
 553 2014-11-27 10:15:39 <damethos> damn
 554 2014-11-27 10:15:55 <sipa> in 0.10 there shouldn't be garbage anymore, but you do get the out-of-order blocks
 555 2014-11-27 10:16:13 <damethos> how long can this out-of-order can be?
 556 2014-11-27 10:16:16 <damethos> 100 blocks?
 557 2014-11-27 10:16:17 <damethos> 1000?
 558 2014-11-27 10:16:37 <gmaxwell> well I'd also like to be whitening the data in blocks in a future version... we still have the issue with antivirus randomly corrupting people's bitcoin installs. :(
 559 2014-11-27 10:16:42 <jonasschnelli> damethos why not creating your own persistent storage by downloading the blocks over the p2p net?
 560 2014-11-27 10:17:00 <gmaxwell> or running linearize.py
 561 2014-11-27 10:17:04 <damethos> jonasschnelli, that was my original plan but i thought why write more code when bitcoind already does that for me
 562 2014-11-27 10:17:16 <damethos> i will probably need to implement it after all
 563 2014-11-27 10:17:39 <jonasschnelli> you can still use bitcoin-core for that,... but create your own persistent store backend
 564 2014-11-27 10:17:53 <sipa> you can run linearize.py too, if you don't mind duplicating storage
 565 2014-11-27 10:18:29 <sipa> or you can modify linearize.py to do what you want to do with the blocks
 566 2014-11-27 10:18:34 <damethos> iirc linerarize uses the rpc interface and only gets the best chain blocks
 567 2014-11-27 10:18:37 <damethos> i want everything
 568 2014-11-27 10:18:40 <sipa> ah
 569 2014-11-27 10:18:46 <damethos> orhpaned etc, i am handling the reorganizes as well
 570 2014-11-27 10:18:57 <sipa> use getchaintips instead of getblockhash
 571 2014-11-27 10:19:13 <sipa> that'll give you all block hashes (well, all chain tips)
 572 2014-11-27 10:19:44 <damethos> ah interesting
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 574 2014-11-27 10:24:28 <damethos> sipa, is there a rough number on how big this out-of-order sequence can be? or is it completely random? for example is it in some small range of 0-100 blocks?
 575 2014-11-27 10:24:50 <sipa> up to 1024 + reorganize depth
 576 2014-11-27 10:25:33 <damethos> thats a lot
 577 2014-11-27 10:25:46 <sipa> more specifically: we never download a block that is more than 1024 further ahead than the best we've validated so far
 578 2014-11-27 10:25:54 <gmaxwell> also, we don't promise to not change it in the future.
 579 2014-11-27 10:25:54 <damethos> ah good to know
 580 2014-11-27 10:26:03 <damethos> good to know that as well gmaxwell :)
 581 2014-11-27 10:26:07 <sipa> also, linearize.py handles it
 582 2014-11-27 10:26:34 <damethos> sipa, handles what? the deep reorganize?
 583 2014-11-27 10:26:41 <sipa> the out-of-orderness
 584 2014-11-27 10:26:50 <gmaxwell> (though i don't really see us needing more than a 1024 window... but if we later find a bigger window improves things, we'd probably no hesitate in using it)
 585 2014-11-27 10:28:54 <gmaxwell> s/no/not/
 586 2014-11-27 10:29:00 <damethos> i will read the linearize.py and see what it does exactly for that but the first though that comes to my mind is to keep the blocks in an array and try to connect the ones that can be connected later on
 587 2014-11-27 10:29:54 <damethos> i will see if my app can handle 1024 blocks reorg, i have tested with 300 and it was ok but 1024 needs more resources so i am not sure
 588 2014-11-27 10:30:26 <damethos> thanks for the help guys, definitely solved my questions
 589 2014-11-27 10:30:59 <gmaxwell> wumpus: 494f6e7 seems to have broke building for me on fedora.
 590 2014-11-27 10:31:30 <sipa> gmaxwell: delete bitcoin-config.h, and re-run autogen
 591 2014-11-27 10:33:09 <gmaxwell> indeed, that fixed it.
 592 2014-11-27 10:35:59 <gmaxwell> gah, why does rest.o take so long to compile.
 593 2014-11-27 10:36:54 <jonasschnelli> rest.o was also changed recently... maybe because of <boost/algorithm/string.hpp>?
 594 2014-11-27 10:37:27 <jonasschnelli> s/rest.o/rest.cpp
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 596 2014-11-27 10:37:48 <gmaxwell> oh my terminal was hung. :-/ not doing too great tonight. :)
 597 2014-11-27 10:38:23 <gmaxwell> yeech the object file for is 2.75 mbytes.
 598 2014-11-27 10:38:26 <gmaxwell> :-/
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 602 2014-11-27 10:39:05 <sipa> so small
 603 2014-11-27 10:39:27 <gmaxwell> gotta love C++ where a 211 line cpp file can result in almost three megs of object.
 604 2014-11-27 10:43:07 <damethos> heh
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 609 2014-11-27 10:49:47 <gmaxwell> I hope the rest stuff doesn't slow us moving off json spirit.
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 611 2014-11-27 10:54:53 <damethos> sipa, are you sure that the linearize.py handles the out of orderness thing? this is the script we are talking about https://github.com/reddcoin-project/reddcoin/blob/master/contrib/linearize/linearize.py
 612 2014-11-27 10:55:02 <sipa> no
 613 2014-11-27 10:55:14 <netg> reddcoin?
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 616 2014-11-27 10:55:45 <sipa> this is what i'm talking about: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/contrib/linearize
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 618 2014-11-27 10:57:03 <damethos> damn you google
 619 2014-11-27 10:57:17 <damethos> cheers i will read it
 620 2014-11-27 10:57:24 <wumpus> I'm so close to reverting 494f6e7
 621 2014-11-27 10:57:29 <sipa> the linearize version in 0.9.3 doesn't deal with out-of-orderness, but doesn't need to
 622 2014-11-27 10:57:35 <sipa> wumpus: why?
 623 2014-11-27 10:57:48 <wumpus> supporting broken old platforms is great, but almost everyone trips over this
 624 2014-11-27 10:58:26 <wumpus> on the other hand it just exposes the issue, it doesn't cause it
 625 2014-11-27 10:58:50 <paveljanik> wumpus: yes, exactly
 626 2014-11-27 10:59:01 <paveljanik> and the issue is being fixed in other branch...
 627 2014-11-27 10:59:06 <gmaxwell> wumpus: we have a number of other autoconf stumbling blocks in 0.10 already.
 628 2014-11-27 10:59:21 <wumpus> gmaxwell: well this only affects people that regularly build master
 629 2014-11-27 10:59:30 <gmaxwell> so I don't think taking another one hurts.
 630 2014-11-27 10:59:34 <wumpus> gmaxwell: on the other hand, those are the people i'd rather NOT scare away :p
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 632 2014-11-27 11:01:06 <gmaxwell> sipa: can't say I expected this output https://0bin.zertrin.org/paste/c99234b18eb90f73d83cae1fa0465d32d63f4328#FKQ6Gk5yf5yfZYN6vXtylPuUBdInZ56G9YARXWOL5R8=
 633 2014-11-27 11:01:33 <sipa> gmaxwell: interesting!
 634 2014-11-27 11:01:38 <wumpus> but it's a good lesson. do not move or rename generated files unless you want to play tech support for a long time
 635 2014-11-27 11:01:58 <sipa> those valid-headers are forks that got announced to you, but you already had an equivalent block
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 642 2014-11-27 11:08:16 <gmaxwell> oh interesting. I've had this particular node running headers first for a long time.
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 724 2014-11-27 12:55:08 <jonasschnelli> wumpus, sipa: coding style: do we indent switch structures? It seams to be a mix in the rest of the code. Also regarding doing blocks {}, Not indenting would mean we have two coding brackets in the same indention.
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 728 2014-11-27 12:58:45 <wumpus> jonasschnelli: the ground truth is clang-format (w/ src/.clang-format config) at this point
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 732 2014-11-27 13:09:22 <jonasschnelli> thanks. Wasn't aware of the clang-format file. Now my IDE is setup correctly.
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 768 2014-11-27 14:28:04 <damethos> I am going through the linearize.py and i am trying to make sense of the settings['hashlist'] which seems to load from a hashlist.txt. Who builds this list and what exactly does it contains? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/contrib/linearize/linearize-data.py#L270
 769 2014-11-27 14:28:49 <sipa> you build that list, using the other tool
 770 2014-11-27 14:29:06 <sipa> (linearize-hashes.py)
 771 2014-11-27 14:29:14 <damethos> ah thanks didnt notice that
 772 2014-11-27 14:32:53 <damethos> i just need to merge those two operations and i assume it will work properly for me as well
 773 2014-11-27 14:33:03 <damethos> better than a 1024 blocks reorg :)
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 793 2014-11-27 15:01:07 <wumpus> the reason that they're two separate operations is that one needs RPC access, the other only access to bitcoind's datadir
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 798 2014-11-27 15:02:53 <wumpus> they're independent of each other, ie you could build the hash list on another node that has the same blocks
 799 2014-11-27 15:03:32 <JackH> hey did the headers first ever get build into bitcoin?
 800 2014-11-27 15:04:02 <wumpus> yes it was merged a few weeks ago
 801 2014-11-27 15:04:28 <Diablo-D3> is it in stable yet?
 802 2014-11-27 15:04:30 <JackH> awesome! going to be 100x easier to present bitcoin-qt as a program now
 803 2014-11-27 15:04:31 <damethos> wumpus, yeah got it
 804 2014-11-27 15:04:41 <Diablo-D3> JackH: not yet
 805 2014-11-27 15:04:46 <Diablo-D3> we still need built in upload capping
 806 2014-11-27 15:04:54 <Diablo-D3> because <bitcoin> raperaperape
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 808 2014-11-27 15:04:58 <damethos> so, if i understand correctly, bitcoind will do a 1024 blocks reorganize if its required
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 810 2014-11-27 15:05:18 <JackH> alright
 811 2014-11-27 15:05:37 <JackH> I assume we are not far from getting the famed snapchat either
 812 2014-11-27 15:05:50 <wumpus> damethos: it will do any depth of reorganization if necessary
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 814 2014-11-27 15:06:08 <damethos> cheers
 815 2014-11-27 15:06:10 <wumpus> damethos: you'd hope that in practice, on the mainnet, a 1024 block deep one will never happen
 816 2014-11-27 15:06:24 <damethos> well, i faced a 500 blocks reorganize on testnet
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1091 2014-11-27 22:45:08 <Guest82209> hello
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1097 2014-11-27 22:52:12 <earlz> anyone know of a recent bitcoin testnet bootstrap?
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